NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2016 Week 10 review

Episode Date: November 14, 2016

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling, and Gregg Rosenthal – go game-by-game breaking down each Week 10 matchup which included a thrilling, last-minute Cowboys victory over the Steelers, and some trouble on the Throne of Ease.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. Hi. He's back. Good evening. You know, this is a big Sunday recap show. We're going to talk a lot of football, but we got to talk about the big addition in your family first, right? Yes, Harrison, Bates, Hansis, born Wednesday, November 9th, bringing some much-needed life and color into the world when he came. 21 and a half inches

9 pounds 9 ounces Big boy All muscle muscle weighs more than fat and Harrison Hansis My two year old Jack Already calling him Harry So Harry Hansis

Welcome to the world How's it going between I found in our house We had an older child We had a second one And the jarring reality That child number one That all attention on the planet

Does not center around that person and there was a shocking transition there. Yeah, Jack's a good boy, but a bit of a shaky start so far. That's all I'm going to leave it there. The transition as the world has changed for him. We'll see how that plays out. But, yeah, happy to be back here. What is it, week 11?

Week 10. Week 10. See, when you do have a baby and now you have a full family, you kind of lose grip on everything that's going on, so I didn't even know what week we're in. But I did get to enjoy, again, for the second straight week, I thought some good football, especially the late games. And we're starting to get a little bit in a groove.

Oh, yeah. I think it's the best Sunday of the year. Yeah, I like it. And I thought, and we're going to get to it momentarily, you can make the case for the second straight week that we saw the game of the year, Cowboy Steelers. So I'm excited to talk about it. Can't wait to watch that one on Game Pass.

Anything else before we get into the game? I think that's going to be about an hour and 14 minutes on Game Pass, by the way, Chris. an issue with the two of us that the game pass productions have been they got you know they went from about 32 minutes a year or two ago they're now roughly about 60 or 70 minutes each with all sorts of filler and crowd shots and we take this to a private email exchange with the people in this building that work on that I've tried tried we got shut down by all the martin I have to voice it on a larger you know format now we got shut down by all the marty Scorsese wannabes who are dragging these games out to over an hour okay can we move on yeah the game pass The Around the NFL podcast, sponsored, of course, by Mr. Flames' economic class in the Hague, the Netherlands. Mr. F. And let's get going. Let's start with what went down at Heinz Field. Here we go.

Run Zeke. Up the middle. He's gone. Zeke's gone. Goodbye, Zeke. Touchdown. Short yardage pinched in. The dogs got out.

The cowboys are going to steal one in Pittsburgh. 32 yards with nine seconds left, and Dallas leads 35.30. What a sham. Brad sham, that is. KRLD. Dallas, Ezekiel Elliott took a DAC Prescott handoff and went 32 yards to the end zone, untouched with just nine seconds to play, lifting the Cowboys to a 3530 win over the Steelers in one of the best games we've seen this year. And, you know, oh, no, right off the. bat someone tried to lock this up didn't lock where are we at that was me oh what was your lock i missed it it was like a three it was a trifecta that you don't even need to know my locks are entirely meaningless and should not be taking seriously you came close he came close it's something

about labia and bell going over 100 yards Antonio brown all sorts of there i got it right here so stealers win yeah no good bell goes over 100 yards he had 57 uh big ben has over 300 he had 488 Brown 100 plus and he had 154. A four-way lock. Wes, I'd like you to take the exercise more seriously next week. I'd like for you to ditch the exercise. It will never be ditched. It lives forever.

Lock that up! Anyway, the Steelers took the lead on a Big Bend fake spike TD passed Antonio Brown with 43 seconds to play, but the now 8 and 1 Cowboys would not be denied. Mark Sessler, Zeke for MVP, Cowboys for the Lombards. Marty Maron. Well, I think we've been sort of saying those things for weeks now, and this seemed like the game sitting out there in Pittsburgh that if you want to say someone can go toe-for-toe with the Cowboys,

it would be Pittsburgh if they were playing the way they thought we could. And the result was exactly that. An NFL high for this even, seven lead changes. And it's funny because coming out of the break, I'll make two quick points because I'm sure we all have a lot to say about this game. But the first is that coming out of halftime, I couldn't agree more with Troy Aikman that kind of talked about it being a formless game

where it was close, but it didn't really have an identity yet, but it absolutely was forged down the stretch. And it came from both quarterbacks, especially after Dak Prescott was taking a ton of thunderous, tediously thunderous tautakes on Twitter from people watching this thing. Here comes Romo. Romo should go back in the locker room and put pads on,

get rid of Jack Prescott. You don't like this exact stuff in the middle of the game. because I don't know what more he needs to do other than be perfect from wire to wire. He struggled a little bit in Pittsburgh, but he showed down the stretch, 24 points generated by the Cowboys over the last 20-plus minutes.

And that run, that final run by Ezekiel Elliott, you could feel it coming all game. It was going to happen. It couldn't have happened at a better time. What a hole blown up in the line there on the left side to go 32 yards on touch, and the steals are obviously thinking past there. But what is showing by the entire offense of Dallas?

I don't know if they're thinking pass. I think they're run blitzing. You know, they're all stacked up. It's kind of like a short yardage defense where if you can get past that first, you know, area, you're going to go long. Ryan Shazir is the guy who I think is going to get picked on a little bit in the defensive meeting room.

He overpursued. He tried to make a play Ezekiel with the great cut. What a way to end. That is 209 total yards, Chris Wesleying. And three touchdowns for Zeke. also had, I believe, 83-yard touchdown reception? Well, yeah, it was a catch and run that was really the highlight for DAC early until the team really got it going late.

Brace yourselves for approximately 74 hours of Zeke MVP talk on NFL network and all other networks this week because the Dallas Cowboys dominate all hype like no other team in the league. But they deserve it this time around, right? And by the way, if you want to throw Elliott there, I would say, this is what we mentioned a few weeks ago. You want co-offensive rookies of the year. It is just as much Dak Prescott, 10 yards per pass today.

You know, these games, why do we find these games with the game of the year? Because every big name played well. The only person you could point to and say, well, maybe Leveon Bell didn't have the box score as a runner, he was fantastic on certain runs. The game flow didn't allow for him to have a huge blow-up game, but he's one of the most patient runners in the league, and he showed it today.

Des Brian had his biggest game of the year. I mean, Big Ben finished with 408 yards. It was no fluke. It was everything you'd asked for happened in this. And the drive to win the game, I think, showed what's been good about Dak Prescott. They blitzed him a couple times, including one where they got a rusher free off the edge on him. He was very calm, moving in the pocket, bought some time, ends up finding Jason Witten. That's the play, I believe, that they get the 15-yard penalty.

A lot of rookie quarterbacks in that situation, panic, or they throw it away? or they get sacked, and he makes the right play. I think we've now reached the stage where, you know, people like Skip Bayliss and all those clowns are going to continue to push it as a conversation piece. But I don't think there's any way that Dak Prescott exits the starting lineup unless he gets hurt at this point. Mark, don't even mind what people are saying on Twitter because Jerry Jones isn't thinking that. And he said after the game, it's obvious what we're going to do at quarterbacking, and yet we still get asked about it every week.

I mean, the problem is I think we all see Tony Roe. as a sympathetic guy who couldn't have done more for this team was always sort of dealt with that perspective where he's not been able to do just enough to lift them over the hump. Now you're on a team where they clearly have the chance to get there and he's been displaced essentially. It's crazy because we figured we'd be talked.

I mean, after Ben Rathosberger went on that drive to win the game without a lot of time on the clock for him either and he has a fake spike to go ahead. I mean, that seemed like that's going to be the story that the Cowboys defense, which has been a little vulnerable all year, that finally came back to haunt him. Well, a hark back to a Dan Marino game that sort of ruined Dan's childhood to some degree. It was at the game.

One nice thing on Zeke. I know that it's a good story if they're co-rookies of the year or whatever, but I don't think we've ever seen what Zeke Elliott's doing. Oh, no argument. Arguably the most complete all-around player at his position in the entire league. The best team in that conference rests on what he does. with his legs every single week and he is that physical

bell cow and tone setter for the best team in the conference. I think he's going to be the guy. First place, Baltimore Ravens going into week 11 by their lonesome. Wow. Here's the solution, by the way, Mark. Don't watch TV, which you don't really watch anyway. And on

your tweet deck, mute Romo. And you will not see anything about this. That's a pretty compact solution by you. We'll follow it. Yes. Let's move on check in. elsewhere in the NFC East. Quince and the shotgun. He slips it off to Ryan Matthews.

He's in. Eagles take the lead. They recapture the lead. Ryan Matthews is second touchdown of the day. I want to hear with that guy, Merrill Reese, the WIP sounds like in real life. Like talking at the dinner table.

Probably. Lo, lo, la, la, lo, whoa. You know, depending on the situation, you might get that similar call to dinner table. Nice. I like that. So welcome back, Ryan Matthews, the forgotten tailback rush for 119 yards and two touchdowns,

including one you heard there that put the Eagles ahead for good in a, what was a 24-15 win over the Atlanta Falcons. Chris Wessling, the Eagles played keep-away from the Atlanta offense on Sunday, and it worked. Do you expect more teams to follow suit? Yes, and I think a lot of coaching staff would have gone into this game and said, we can pick on a Falcon secondary that has already given up more touchdown passes than they did all of season and the Eagles did something smart and said they said let's keep their offense off the field let's control the clock make the game shorter and make make them beat us on the few possessions they do have and it worked wonderfully for the Eagles Ryan Matthews had his best game of the season

the first 100-yard game for the Eagles since last October wow honey did you DVR blue bloods the Eagles offensive line pushed the Falcons defense around today just bullied them And it's something we see from the Falcons every year. They're spineless on defense. Well, we've thought that they're getting better on D, but maybe that doesn't travel. Maybe that's a dome thing because when you think of their pass rush, you know, on the turf, they've got some big hitters. I don't know.

Maybe they're getting better in D, which means they're going from 30th to 24th, and that's still not great. Well, and part of it has to do with a Falcons offense that puts you on your toes where they've been up in games, and I think that helps your pass rush to come alive when you force the other team into, you know, rough situations. This is the opposite today, it sounds like. How did Matt Ryan look in his MVP race campaign, whatever you want to call it? This was by far the best defense anyone has played against the Falcons all year.

And none of it was Matt Ryan's fault, really, until the interception at the end of the game when they were trying to come back two scores down. He made some beautiful throws to Julio Jones, high degree of difficulty plays that they came through, but no one else really stepped up except for Taylor Gabriel's double move that left Leotis McKelton in the dust. It wasn't one of their typical games where you see the running backs and the tight ends and Mohamed Sunu involved in the passing attack. They just had nothing outside of

Julio Jones. They seem like also, you know, I saw you mentioned in your write-up that typically they can hurt you on the ground too. They're so diverse. But 48 yards today, it doesn't think it was a big part of the game plan. There was no real chain-moving element to They had a lot of short drives, and then they would punt, but there was no sustaining element in their running game this week. But on a day where the other teams in the NFC South kind of fell back, it's like I don't think it hurts them that bad, but Philly, I know I've been honking about Philly a lot.

I do feel like they've got enough things going on that they can be that team that emerges for one of those final playoffs. Obviously, it's going to be tough to catch the Cowboys, to say the least, but for one of those wild cards. They got a lot going on. I'm with you, and they're an imperfect team. You can point to certain things about them that their defense is not that maybe the defense

it was at the start of the season to some degree. But the eagles, compared to where they were in January, a ship completely rudderless had just fired its coach. The combination of Peterson and Carson Wentz and Jim Schwartz have really brought a hopeful season. You're five and four. You still have a shot. I don't think the defense is any worse.

I just think they're a Jekyll and Hyde team and their defense is so much better at home than it is on the road. Their home away splits are terrible. They're 4-0 at home, 1-4 in the road, 0-3 in the division, and if you're chasing a wildcard spot, and you need to have a nice conference record, 3 and 4 right now. So they've got to beat some of these conference teams to help out with tie-breaker situations.

The Falcons go into the buy. They should get Taven-Colman and Jacob Tammy back after the buy, and we've mentioned this several times. They've been tested as much as any team in the league this year. The Eagles defense at home is one of the toughest tests you can have. Let's stay in the NFC East. Bradford with the play clock at 15 out of the shotgun, takes the snap, drops back to pass, he's under pressure, he's going down. Preston Smith, who had the huge interception earlier in the fourth quarter, rips them down, and that will do it.

The Redskins defense hangs on and holds on to this six-point lead. That was Tom McCarthy, Westwood won sports. Dustin Hopkins hit four second-half field goals in the Redskins. shut out the Vikings in the final two quarters to secure a 26 to 20 win at FedEx Field. Speaking of playoff implications and tiebreakers, this one could have huge implications in the next month. Mark, the Vikings ripped off 20 unanswered points in the first half and still lost this game. What the hell is happening with the team of ATL? Well, I would point to the fact that that interception was not actually it because they had a chance.

I think that was the sack that closed the game. Yeah, that's fair. They had a chance to win this thing, but their second half possessions were comprised of two punts, a pick, and a failed two-minute drive. And why is that? Because when the Redskins are good and they're operating the way that they can on offense,

and I really find their offense much more enjoyable than I thought I would this season and then some others do, they ate up 11 minutes of the third quarter clock, absolutely keeping Minnesota off the field destroying any sort of momentum you want to say they had from that 20-point swing to end the first half and then shut them down in the fourth quarter and Rob Kelly who I realize people think he's just a guy

well he's just a guy that got the job done today because they won the game right there with their they were able to use the run game and enough effective passes from Kirk Cousins to take down Minnesota's defense and I no longer look at Minnesota's defense as this Yes, their statistics and where they are statistically is based so much on the front half of their season.

You can score points on them right now and a team like Washington today prove that this game was not as close as it looked today. I mean, if Minnesota's defense is going to become. Oh, well, they're not making the playoffs. Where are they going to rip off three or four wins? Wow. Or much less six.

So you think they're done? You're ready to stick a fork? Because, Greg, this is where we differ. I understand that you look at things and say this can happen. This can happen. And you know what? They're in every game. I'm often wrong.

In every game. They're in every game, but they're also, go watch this and tell me if you really believe this game or the last two games they were in, if you really believe that Minnesota is the better team are going to win these games. First place team in the division could be 0 and 9. I mean, I would not rule the Vikings out at all. Here's the other thing. When we see this all the time, that teams can look terrible for a month and then completely turn the other way and then back again. So, for all we know, they have another league.

Point taken, they might make the playoffs. but I'm at a different point than where I was with the Vikings when I said, I believe in them. They can go damage teams. They can dominate teams. Now we're talking about them hanging on in a bad division. That's a different place for me than where we were before. Well, you're right.

The defense showing cracks over the last three weeks is the biggest problem because the offense has improved dramatically the last couple of weeks. Really? Dismarming. I mean, they were one of the worst offenses in the league for the first few, five, six. They were completely inept as the Bears. They could not do any. Anything. The Bears game, they gave up a ton of yards to the Bears. The defense really blew it at the end of the Lions game. A game they basically outplayed the Lions. They need another dramatic improvement to get back to go on offense. You are asking them to win in the NFC North and in the NFC when you cannot run the ball. You are simply running the ball to attempt to fool people. I understand that the passing game is a little more up tempo in Minnesota and that's working to some degree. But the team to talk about here is the Redskins. They're 5-1-1-1 over the last seven games. They're the

much more intriguing, balanced team than Minnesota is right now. And you think that Rob Kelly is a major upgrade on... No, I'm not saying he's a major upgrade. It seems like it to me. Today he got the job done, and I've seen him come in before and spell Jones, and he's played well. Why won't you say he's a major upgrade when you've been talking about him for the last few years? Because I think Matt Jones, if he's not turning the ball over, is the equal of Rob Kelly. Well, they clearly have more of a clock-killing presence with Rob Kelly out there.

they uh well matt jones did the same things to the same thing to the eagles less than a month ago so it's oh i'm just saying matt jones has been one of the most inconsistent backs in the NFL the last two i just think people calling rob kelly just this average nobody i got understand he's more of a one dimensional type runner but he's been fine ain't no one calling fat rob an average nobody when he's from running back you well that's a that's a niche take that is a niche take let's hear what Kirk Cousins had to say after a dramatic win. Oh, we. That's really what he said.

That is really. That is the new, you like that as he was coming off. Vine probably will be vined about three million times by the time you hear this. One more time. Oh, we. Is he trying to start something else? Obviously. This is something that's a little, it's a little annoying.

He saw this smartphone and he was like, oh, don't panic, don't panic. Because it was the exact same spot even in the locker room running from off the field, past the little press area into the locker room. He saw it, his eyes flashed, and this is the best he could come up with. Oh, we! I mean, it doesn't feel contrived at all. You know, it doesn't feel contrived either? I know, she went down a few buttons here on this shirt.

It is hot in here. A little bit of a cool dad look now. It's more like trying to cool down body temperature. People on Periscope. Cool, dad. Let us know if it's working. It's not the attempt. I'm about to start, you know, shedding skin and craziness.

It's just hot in here. The Vikings are about to shed a kicker. This has to be the end for Blair Walsh, who missed another extra point, and he's now missed eight kicks on the season, including four field goals for PATs. And that, I mean, they stayed with him after kicker auditions last week. I cannot imagine that they'll stay with him again. That changed the game because that little extra point kept Washington within one score, it would have been two scores in some situations

to change the game. Because he never, and he never seems to miss PAT's when it's like 21 to 3 or anything, but I guess that's because the Vikings can't blow anybody out. It's always a close game that they're involved with. We'll see what happens. You want to check in on the defending Super Bowl champions? Sure. Okay, let's do it.

And now a very important extra point. Snap, Broncos jump over the ball, and they blocked the extra point, and it's picked up. Denver's running down the field. This ball picked up and running down the field. That is Will Parks. Parks into the end zone, a two-point conversion.

And the Broncos with 122 left lead this game, 25-22. Wow, Dave Logan, K-O-A of the call. Just when you think you've seen everything, the Denver Broncos blocked an extra point, and special team are Will Parks, returned it to the house, the deciding play in a 25-23 win for the Broncos over the New Orleans Saints at the Superdome. The Saints had a huge upset win over the defending champs and let it slip away in one of the most unusual ways possible.

My first question, are you okay? I am. I thought this was one of the most entertaining games I watched all season. It was a big-time lead for the Broncos that the Saints fought back from. And then the Broncos fight back. Both quarterbacks in this game fought back from multi-interceptions. But I thought Trevor Simeon's toughness to withstand all this. the hits that he was taking was really impressive and was one of the keys to them winning.

And the Saints in a game where they did so many things right, sacked Zimian six times, hit him 11 times. Drew Breeze's two throws to Brandon Cook's to tie that game, to look like it was going to win the game, where two of the best throws and plays I've seen all season and then to lose it for a team that was on a role here that works so hard to get back to four and four is a gut punch game for the Saints. It's not a killer. it doesn't knock them out for the season,

but it really felt like they had something good going before that kick. Dan has caught this at the perfect time because he doesn't have to be accountable at all for this, and I think he might have gone a different way anyway. But we went 0 for four in our so-called pick-em challenge against Damashek and friends by trying to, I really thought New Orleans would win this. We all picked the Saints, and we were all wrong.

Oh, we can't kill ourselves for a back-and-forth game that could have gone either way. Not killing myself for it. I'm already over it. I'm just pointing out the fact that's not going to help us get into the first slot on that show that they talk about. And, yeah, that is disappointing, but who really cares ultimately. That final Saints possession, by the way, Brandon Cook's 32-yard touchdown pass. Six-place 75 yards in a minute 28.

Right. He gets the ball. You need a touchdown. The defense had helped them out. Michael Thomas, the Saints receiver, fumbled the ball twice in the fourth quarter. They had four turnovers. I think they would have won the game if it's not for the ball. Michael Thomas fumbles, especially the first one.

The defense, it was the best of Saints defense, has looked in a long time. And I really came away thinking this Broncos offensive line, if it doesn't change, it's the end of them. They can't overcome it. It's a much bigger problem than the quarterback. Yes. I thought Simeon, I know he threw two bad interceptions today, but until the first one, he was withstanding a lot of hits, making a lot of tough throws.

He's got no running game. He's keeping the ball on the field. the Saints only had 20 minutes time of possession. I thought it's not his, it's not on him. Well, he needed to make some plays in this game. So if he did, that's a good sign for him and his job security. And the other thing about when you, because again, I don't think any of us have ever seen a game decided like this before.

And what really sucks about it, a lot of things sucks about it, if you're a Saints fan or the Saints. But when that happens, and maybe you don't know this or some people don't know this, not only you give up the two points, it's not like, all right, well, we can get it back. We got a minute 16. Oh, you're now kicking it off to the other team. It's a kill it. And if you don't recover the onside kick, which I'm assuming they did not, game over.

I mean, what a way to lose? What percentage of when you go into any NFL stadium, how many, like, were on top of that rule the minute was happening and knew what was going on? It's a relatively new rule. And you have to wonder if half the home crowd is thinking, what just occurred here. And to everyone's screaming at their mobile devices or however they're listening to this podcast. First of all, thank you at the bottom of our hearts. But second, we should mention that. millions of Saints fans believe Will Park stepped out of bounds on the play.

But his gleaming Joe Namath white cleats matched the gleaming white paint on the carpet at the Superdome. So there just was no clear view to overturn it, even though it looked very close to being out of bounds. It looked like he was out, but I can get why they didn't overturn it. It also looked pretty clear that the Broncos held down the St. Center on the play so that he couldn't like lift up because if you touch the center when you're jumping over, it's a penalty. but people getting worked up about that. That's called, you know, that's a good play by Denver. You know, you try to get away with little things. Yeah, but you're dying as a saint,

so you're like, no way that just happened. And when you have any inkling of a chance to be like, no, this doesn't count, you're going to go nuts over. Yeah. The crazy thing is I came away from this feeling almost better about the Saints. They protected Drew Brees against the Broncos very well, and their defense, Cameron, Jordan, Kenny Vicaran. They played better than what you can feel good about in the NFC,

If you look at the standings right now in the NFC, if they were to put together some sort of win streak, they are right in this thing for a wild card spot. And an out-of-conference loss, so you don't get killed on the tiebreaker. All these things matter as we head toward December. Let's move on. Newton will throw and caught at the 32-yard line. It is caught by Kelvin Benjamin.

And now the ball taken away. The ball is brought out at the end of the play. It's pulled away at the 24-yard line. It was Marcus Peters. Marcus Peters just yank the ball away from Kelvin Benjamin and gets the ball to the 24-yard line of Carolina. Mitch Holtus, KCFX, Marcus Peters's clutch strip of Kelvin Benjamin was the play of the game, setting up Cairo Santos' 37-yard field goal

as time expired to lift the 7 and 2 Chiefs. That's right. You're paying attention yet? To a 2017 win over the Carolina Panthers. This was just a grisly home loss for the defending NFC champions. who were outscored 17 to nil in the fourth quarter. Greg Rosenthal, time to convene the fort committee? We could.

This is the NFC. They play on Thursday night against the Saints. If that's not a loser goes home game, I don't know what is. The thing that... We're about that later, by the way. I mean, I know they're 3 and 6, but the Panthers, for three quarters of this game, we're thinking, this is exactly who we are.

You know, we're controlling the ball. We're running it. Cam Newton's running. Our defense looks as great as it did the last few weeks. And that was as tough a loss I've seen any team take in the entire season. Maybe we can give up on them when they're 3 and 7 or 3 and 8 or 3 and 9. Because this is the difference between this team and last year's team. I see differences.

Cam Newton's getting waxed. They're turning the ball over more. And listen, they were winning these games last season. And you know what? No questions asked. But they were starting to get a little bit of mojo working, which makes this loss even more crushing for them because if they win this game,

they got a three-game win streak, but instead they're almost right back where they started with time running out. I think it's a game that it's very similar to me as the Saints game. I mean, it's very similar to what happened to New Orleans. There was, I think, the key part of this game, there was a 20-play drive that the Panthers ended up punting. And they get it into the red zone.

They're going in for a three-score lead, going into the fourth quarter at that point, and they go backwards, end up having to punt, and the game changes right there. Well, and as always, we talk about the other team, win or lose, before we talk about Kansas City. But how about your boy, Tyreek Hill? Yeah, boy. Ten catches. It's crazy. I mean, he's almost like a guy you could play in fantasy leagues at this point, Tyree Kill.

He was their leading receiver. I mean, the Chiefs won a game. Here are some things that happen. They had 165 net passing yards, and they scored no touchdowns on offense, and they won the game. Eric Barry's interception of Cam Newton. What a play. Which was on Cam was an unbelievable play by Eric Barry. Do you trust the Chiefs?

When you look at their ceiling, last year they went into the playoffs. They lost in New England. They're the number two seed in the AFC right now. Does anyone trust them in here to do real damage in January? No. The Chiefs? I mean, again, I don't want to fall to. down that wormhole in the sense that they could end up going like 12 and 4.

I kind of think they're just as dangerous as any team but the Patriots. I really do. AFC is pretty wide open other than New England at this point, I feel like. So if they could knock off a couple teams that aren't the Patriots, I wouldn't be stunned, but I could easily see them one and done also. So kind of on the fence. That would be the definition of, oh, I think someone else can start to be, you know, attributed to this on the fence nonsense.

You don't like that. It's ridiculous. The team that had no business beating the 3 and 6 Panthers today is the second most dangerous team in the F.C. I mean, I'm looking past just this week. I think they've been really consistent. The offense has been a big problem the last two weeks. But until then, I thought they were showing some things on offense. All right.

Let's move on, gentlemen. And, oh, by the way, Wes, Cam Newton brought back the dab. Your thoughts. Cape pounded. You talked about the loser goes home match? I listened to the podcast on Thursday It took copious notes And then filed them away privately

Or really from my eyes only But one thing was We weren't really sure Where we want to go with the term For what is like the loser goes home Right It's like a Phil Simmons term Yeah we want to kind of have our own

Isn't that a wrestling turn? I mean it's kind of it was originally a wrestling term And now next game we're talking about Miami versus San Diego So I came up with a couple different ones And I want to again run it by the group Here's the first one. Loser immediately dies. What do you think?

Loser immediately dies. It's a tad extreme. Okay. I kind of like it's definitive nature, but let's see what else you got? It would mess up the rest of the season, you know, just in terms of scheduling. So that would be probably. Actually, yeah, dies. If they died, yeah.

Well, I don't want to have any confusion. How about this? Loser disappoints his dad. All the father is disappointed. I mean, that's pretty accurate. Yeah, like that. That might be the winner right there. All right. Well, and here's the last one.

Loser unhappy with outcome, but able to keep it in proper perspective. I think that's a winner right there. It's very catchy. Which is your favorite? Clearly the third one. I think it's got to be the third because it also aligns with kind of the league mandate that we need to somehow sell these teams deep into December. All right.

So coming up Thursday night only on NFL Network. loser unhappy with outcome but able to keep it in proper perspective so let's check out that game dolphin san diego whoa back to throw looking fired intercept him he's got it got it alonzo's got it at the 40 35 30 being chased out he's at the 20 he's at the 10 the five touchdown Miami no flags wow there are no flags kicko alonzo with an interception oh my god six huge play Jimmy Cephalo who gargles with Cephalo. Cephalo WKAM with the call. Kiko Alonzo's picks, pick six.

The third of four. Philip Rivers' fourth quarter interceptions was the deciding play in a 31, 24 win for the Dolphins over the Chargers in San Diego. Greg, the Dolphins. Oh, no. Guys. Who had this one? Well, it must have been me because Mark has not picked a lock of the week in three weeks. By process of elimination?

Yeah, it wasn't me. Could have been calling. Well, you picking the Chargers that adds up, Greg. Anyway, so Greg, you cannot lock it up, but the Dolphins have won four straight. Well, the Chargers may have just punched their ticket to the Boneyard. Yeah, this is one in the AFC that's going to be hard to imagine them recovering from. That you got to win this game at home against Miami. Give the Dolphins secondary, who's been much maligned this year credit.

for making some good plays on the ball. Two of those intercepts. Don't give the Dolphin secondary credit. Well, in this game, why not? They blew coverages all through the game. Three penalties alone, Don Trell Inman drew on Bobby McCain. A defensive holding penalty gave the Chargers three fresh downs inside the five-yard line. This was not a secondary.

Heco, a linebacker out of pick six. Right. I'm saying, though, the two of the interceptions, and I'm not even including the Alonzo one, which is obviously a great play, where great individual efforts that were. You kind of thought, okay, that's a bad throw by Rivers, but wow, what a play by the defensive back. I mean, you give them credit. They made twice.

I mean, was this Rivers pressing too hard as quarterbacks would say at times? Well, here's the thing. He threw four interceptions of the fourth quarter and tucked in the middle of all that was a brilliant drive where he connected on a deep touchdown pass to tie the game. I think it was just, I don't know, it was kind of a weird thing to watch more than anything. You have to take each one of those plays separately. You can't say there was one motivating factor that determined all four interceptions. I'm sure that on one of the plays, at least, the receiver ran the wrong route.

So I don't think you can say that Rivers was just pressing or something. The first two picks were both terrible. One was, I think, at the one-yard line, a pass to the goal line at the goal line that got picked off. And then the second pick, they were heading back to the red zone where he was picked the second time. And then the third was the pick-six, and the fourth came in their desperation final drive. So each one was really painful. They were back-breaking turnovers. and if, you know, your catchy phrase, what is the proper perspective for the charges here?

You're four and six now. Every other team in the division has seven wins. Get to the bone yard is where you're going. The proper perspective is the last 13 minutes of this game ruined your season. Yeah, as did a large chunk of the games you played earlier in the year. And you've lived and died on these bizarre, dramatic, down-to-the-wire scenarios. But good teams don't go through this every week. and you got burned too much at this point.

You cannot survive a game like this. And it's crazy to see what Miami's done over the last month. Where we considered them a month ago, I mean, I had completely cast them off. This is a big win for Miami. They laughed at the old Zeuser. They said, you fool, you know nothing. I say, put down that fork.

This team has a run in them. I also believe they'll fall back to the pack again. You got all the bases covered. I think they had one run, three or four games, and it will probably turn hard left any minute now, but they have that run now where they're in the conversation and good for Dolphins fans. They have a new formula here.

And Ryan Tannahill, one of his best games of his career today, his toughness stood out. A perfect throw to Kenny Stills on a long touchdown. And then he escaped Melvin Ingram and ran for 18 yards on a first down. Three plays later hit Damien Williams for a perfectly placed touchdown. to give them a lead. And then late in the game,

he takes a shot from Corey Leger in his neck while he's attempting to throw and still hits Devante Parker deep down the sideline for a game-tie-in-field goal, really. I thought Tanna Hill played well in here, and their offense has not had a turnover in their four-game winning street.

That's crazy, and that's so undolphins. And Tannahill, he could put up some highlights. He's not consistent, but this year people get on. Remember the whole thing he can't throw the ball deep? He's throwing the ball deep really well this year. He also delivers balls, like passes, as he's getting crushed really well. It's almost like the easy stuff that he struggles with. This was a game.

I mean, he's putting up some highlight reel. What were you saying in the newsroom, Dan, about Tana Hill? Oh, that, you know, we're still waiting five years in for him to hang some onion in a big spot late in the fourth quarter. Nutt up, I believe was the expression I used. You used it, and it seemed like he did Nutt up. You heard you. Well, he led a fuel goal drive. Let's calm down.

He threw an unbelievable pass while getting ranked in the neck. How about this, Greg? I'm just saying, because I know you're on that train, even though you're not. I'm really nice. He's off. I'm proud of you.

I'm not. Finish the drive. That's all. You could say that about the whole Dolphins team over the last five years. I loved West, by the way. I loved your theory on Thursday show. Again, I listened to it privately from a UCLA hospital room

to copious notes handwritten. I think it was five, six pages. Are you going to file the way? Release the notes to us? Never. It's all very deeply personal thoughts. They were probably overtly positive from end to end. I'm certain.

Wes, your take that the Miami mercenaries buying in now that things are going the right direction, I like that. I believe it. I think that happens every year with at least one or two teams in the NFL that are built on free agents. The way that Mike Tannenbaum, imagine that defensive line is starting to come to fruition. Cameron Wake is playing great. Andre Branch had another big game.

Earl Mitchell returned for their team, and I think that's going to be a big factor for them. They're playing the Rams next week in L.A. I mean, they shut down Melvin Gordon on the ground. Gordon did all of his damage really through the air. Ram's defense not going to be an easy situation. No, I'm not saying that's an easy win, but that's a winnable game. If you can win in San Diego, you can win in L.A. Didn't see any honkin from Wes's Desert Consigliari on Twitter today.

About Gordon? Yeah. I mean, he had 130 yards. No honkin, though. That's all. I mean, who knows what that guy's up to on a random Sunday? Well, we know what he was up to last Sunday. There could be Bacchanalia in Vegas, you know.

Let's check out. another team in the AFC playoff race. Titans offset the eye to the left on first and five. They're going to run DeMarco Murray. A lot of room. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 15, 10, 5 inch of 75 yards.

Touchdown. Titans. DeMarco Murray to the house. That's a good job by you, Mike. the WGFX. DeMarca Murray started things off with the 75-yard touchdown run on the Titans, never look back laying the wood to the spiraling Packers, a 47-25 win in Nashville.

Marcus Marriota threw four more touchdown passes for the Titans who are suddenly alive and well in the AFC South Race, Chris Wesley. Who's more fun to watch than the Titans? Look at you as you're all back in now. Maybe the Cowboys? Other than that, who's more fun to watch than these Titans? You like those good offensive lines. Well, I think you're talking about a style of play.

A style of play, and we wrote about this in the offseason. One of my biggest articles of the off season, the powerhouse football is back, pushing smaller defenses around. The Titans now have 35 or more points for three straight games the first time in their history of the Houston Oilers, Tennessee Titans. 26 or more in six straight games. Marcus Marietta is the hottest quarterback in the league statistically, and this is amazing. And 27% of his games, he has four or more touchdowns.

Regret continues to build on the old Azusa fantasy team dropping Marcus Marriota six weeks ago in favor of Tony Romo. Building. It's even, it is the worst decision in fantasy football history. But even worse because of the man you kept instead of Marisota. Yes, I was faced with a very difficult situation. Again, think back six weeks ago. Should I keep Marcus Mariotta, who was a mess? or Blake Bordels, who is also a mess

but stacked fantasy garbage points every once in a while, and I said, I'm sticking with Blake, and I took the rake. Or just not pick up Tony Romo, the guy with the broken collar. Listen, easy to say now. Easy to say now, Mr. Fancy Pants. What place are you in? Because we want to hear more about, you know, said team.

What place are you in in your so-called division? No, it's not a division. It's just an overall 12-team league. But Greg, thought of my fantasy team today. It's the first time it's ever happened. Someone thought of someone else's fantasy team when Marcus Marriota. That's how well Marietta's playing. He's making tough throws.

He made some pinpoint throws to Delaney Walker, Richard Matthews, Taj Sharp. Mariotta was almost flawless in the first half of this game. And the Packers looked like Dead Men Walking. In the first half, in the first quarter, they were outgained 231 to 17 yards with eight seconds left in the first quarter. It was a complete and utter thrashing. 35 to 10 is the biggest deficit at halftime since Aaron Rogers has been in Green Bay, I believe. It was not a contest.

Kevin Patrick called the Packers collectively hungover. From what? I think Patrick was collectively hungover. You smell that? That's a butt. I know a melting butt when I smell it. Oh, it's Mike McCarthy. This is the first time I actually believe he's in trouble.

Because when you're getting now embarrassed, and we're all excited. now about the Titans and they're playing very well in the last month or so, but this is how you get fired. We're past Mulligan territory for Green Bay. I think he's, does everybody agree with me or no? I thought all this is.

Dom Capers is definitely in trouble. You know, he's unkillable. Tom Capers has lived through a thousand disasters at this point. His hair will live forever. Kevlar Dom. I think if their offense is still ranked in the middle of the league at the end of the year, McCarthy's going to go.

Well, the offense... I think it's his offense, and if it's stale with Aaron Rogers in his prime for a second straight year, especially if they end up with a losing record or out of the playoffs. Well, the question will be for what? It all depends on what and who is out there to make that switch. Because the Packers are not a team that does this without doing a lot of thought behind it. They don't switch coaches. There are some Andy Reid parallels.

A longtime coach, an offensive guru, you fire him. Two years later, maybe you have to hire another branch of his coaching tree, because you hired the wrong guy and you didn't have a better option. But Andy Reid would even admit it was a good thing for him to get fired in Philadelphia. He was kind of, he had had too much power almost, and it's not the same thing with McCarthy, but. I don't think you're going to get Mike McCarthy to admit that anytime. He had sort of reached the end of his rope, I guess, is what I was saying, in Philadelphia.

Like, he needed a new start. I think Stale's a good word for their offense. I want to take a peek here at the AFC South, which, of course, Wes is. But. But the Houston Texan 6th. three but are you know terrible they stink let's be honest uh deep down we all know it tennessee now five and five indy four and five and then the jags two and seven so even though there's a little bit of a cushion right now for the texans

titans have a real shot they should be the favorite well west i was going to ask you you've been saying until this minute that the colts were your pick in this division uh the last few weeks on this yeah i tend to go back and forth with the colts and the titans but the titans are clearly the better team i just had more confidence in andrew i i think I think this Titans team. Let's talk about the rest of the AFC South. Here's the snap. Bortals looking left fires that way.

And it's picked up by Kareem across the 35-30, 25-20-15, cuts inside at the 10 over the five. Kareem Jackson to the house. Pick six. The Texans get on the board first. 43-yard I-N-T returned for the touchdown. That was Mark Vandemir of K-I-L-T. Ooh, the kilt. You think they have like their call?

ball is like they get like a Scottish brogue. I don't doubt it at all. They're listening to the kilt. Of course they must. Bag pipes. That would help. That would help Brady. Sidney.

In Denver. Can we work up a kilt sound drop for the next week's show? Oh, absolutely. Do you think we're going to need a Jaguars drop? We need a Scottish guy because I can't, my Scottish accent is basically an Irish brogue. So it's like, you're listening to the kilt? That's not Scottish. Dan suddenly worried about the accuracy of his foreign impression.

I always. worry about it because it's a commitment to excellence. Anyway, Kareem Jackson was the latest defensive back to reap the benefits of Blake Bortle's endless string of first quarter humiliation running back in interception 42 yards for a touchdown. It helped propel the Texans to a 2421 win over the Jaguars who should be relegated. Mark, Brock Oswald threw for just 99 yards, but you don't have to be Montana when facing the NFL's inland beach house. I can't believe it. I mean, we talked on Thursday about the fact that the Texans were going to be six and three on Sunday night and that it was all a comprehensive mirage. Your quarterback, we just talk about Marcus Marietta, who is doing things that no Titans, really even Euler's quarterback.

You can factor in Warren Moon to some degree, has done this early in one's career. And then you go to Houston, or yes, your record looks nice because you're picking up wins against the Jaguars and you're a defensive-led team. it's not going to last for long. They are not going to be able to stave off Tennessee if Tennessee continues to play the way it is. I don't like the way this offense is built on any level at this point, and they've got a major quarterback problem that we've hammered into the dirt.

Nothing's changed with this game. You got by the Jacksonville Jaguars, thanks to another awful performance by Blake Bortles and a opponent in the Jaguars that you have no business losing to or even beating by just three points. The Gabbard zone is too generous for Brock Osweiler. Congratulations, Brock. You've done the impossible.

This is their recipe, though. I think this is... It's not a recipe. This is their recipe. Play the Jaguars. It's like making a brick in your oven and serve it to somebody and saying this is a recipe. You are right about that. It is the recipe.

The recipe is... Play the Jaguars every week. This is what happens. If you hold the team, the opposing team to under 100 yards passing, you hold the opposing quarterback to under four yards per attempt, but you lose the game. you got brocked You got brocked You got brocked by the Texans

We're going to come in We're going to not throw the ball We're going to look so bad You can't believe what happened But at the end of the game we won it You got brocked I saw shot on Wes Not believing where Greg's coming from

You can have brocked But it's not a recipe It's something they get lucky to do Every once in a while Based on randomness of their opponent Well I would say the recipe Is leaning almost exclusively On their defense to

Shut down opposing quarterbacks score points like they did today. It's their defense that have gotten to this point. It's not sustainable. I don't care what their final record is. I don't care where they go. They're not going to go anywhere in January, and they are suddenly, very clearly not the best team in their division. I don't think that was true three weeks ago. Ran for 181 yards, including Akeem Hunt.

Against Jacksonville. Can Brock Oswald, or can Blake Bortles play safety? Because he's not a quarterback. Not right now. You can't have a newcomer come in and steal a show. Jacksonville is going to finish the season probably around 4 and 12, and they might have a very difficult decision to make with that first pick. Let's see how that plays out.

And now this week's insane soundbite from a completely real CVS primetime series. Carbon darkshed is collecting dangerous levels at the bed of the lake. A town faces disaster. The lake's about to explode. That's a good one. But Greg, can you please tell the audience? I can't even say it. Listen, it's not coming from you.

It's coming from a series. It all needs to be beeped out. But there was a blue blood trailer or commercial a couple of weeks ago where the guy kept saying, she's a murder victim because she was a murder suspect. I blew it. It's over. We're bleeping that out.

That's just for the past. Give it to me again. Give it to me again. She's a murder suspect because she was a... What does that even mean? I don't know, but it's a disturbing. serving thing to having a commercial. Not only, and CBS, come back to us with some of these shows.

My God, Kevin Can Wait is leading into Last Man in the House with Matt LeBlanc right now. Whoa, Tiffany Network, come back to us. The fact that the murder suspect thing was they pulled that from the episode. They're like, what's the best line in this episode? Let's go with that. And then today's was about the lake exploding. How does a lake explode? It just sounds like endless.

This clickbait material television on some level. Scorpio, Monday's 9 p.m. on CBS. That's where you can find that. You're really curious about how to what lake explodes. Now, speaking of explosions, the 2016 New York Jets. Shotgun for Bryce Petty. Drops back, looks left, throws left, and it looks like it's intercepted by Alec Ogletree.

The middle linebacker for the Rams picks it off, intended for Quincy Anunwa, and the Jets will lose it today to the Los Angeles Rams. in a battle between two going nowhere teams the los angeles rams leaned on their defense and a oh yeah nine six win over the jets spoiling bryce petty's first career start petty had a few moments here the best was a 99 yard touchdown drive in the second quarter that ended with the hook and ladder which we need more hook and ladder in our lives in a non like end of game scenario uh but it became uh he became increasingly tentative here as the jets were shut out in the second half. The Jets are now three and seven, obviously going nowhere. I think they should bring back Bryce Petty for the rest of the season. We'll see how they come back from their by week.

Todd Bowles has any brains to me. You stick with the kid and get an idea of what's going on with his development. And on the ram side, guys, and there really doesn't need to be too much talk about this game. On the ram side, because when you guys, I know you guys devour tape, this will be an easy watch. This will be 30 minutes, I would think. on the game pass. Sign me up.

They'll find a way to get it to 50. The Rams, again, sticking with Case Keenham for God knows what reason. He was terrible in this game and could not make a play, although I must say, again, in the first half. And this shows you again, how terrible this jet season has gone. Case Keenham and Kenny Britt were picking on Durel Revis in the first half. Todd Gurley actually found some holes in the second half. So they were able to do some things.

But yes, the Rams are four and five. And I figured out something with the Rams, guys. This is how Jeff Fisher gets to seven wins every year. It doesn't get to more than seven or eight. But every game you have three or four like sewer game, like sewer type games every year where it's just a bad game between two kind of going nowhere teams. The Rams always seem to win those games.

So they pick up four wins there, three or four wins. Then they have their two NFC West upsets every year. So all of a sudden you're up to like five or six. And then there's a couple teams that you're actually just actually better than you take care of business. and there's seven or eight. And it's always the same script. And this is a sewer game that they took care of today.

I mean, this is the third game this season. Am I right here? That they haven't scored a touchdown. This is the NFL. The Rams? Yeah. Did they win all those games? They're two and one in those games.

Jeff Fish. I mean, that's what Jeff Fisher wants to do. They have two touchdowns in the last three weeks combined. Here's the stat of the day. The Rams had eight plays in the red zone in this game. and they went for negative seven yards. Including first, this thought, again, Jeff Fisher, come back to us as well.

I'll give you a preview of Jeff Fisher's Monday press conference. I thought Case played well. Yep. He's going to say that. Case played well. Case wasn't the problem. First and goal from the one in the first quarter. A run to Benny Cunningham, Fumble, Ranch, whatever.

A pass attempt, incomplete. A pass to the left flat taken down for two-yard loss. Todd Gurley never touches the ball. Then he send out the field goal kicker for a 20-yarder. Todd Gurley never touched the ball. Fun times. Not even sure if that's a bad thing this year. Todd Gurley doesn't touch the ball.

You'll see in the second half. He had some holes and actually looked a little bit like a dynamic running back. This could be, we might have to put this on temporary hiatus. CBS doesn't put anything on hiatus because all the old people watch all their shows. but this could be the last Keith Hansis visit for a little bit because the Jets are completely irrelevant but let's hear from my dad His name is Keith

He stands dad No doubt about it He's a big Jets fan What is he going to say about the game today What is he going to say about the game today Jets week 10 Before I say anything First I want to congratulate Danny and his wife

On the birth of their new baby boy Thanks Bob And out to some more Stressing news The Jets Terrible game 96 That was Between two offensively challenged teams

Where also Just looking at the game The announcing team Had to be a grade D pair there Because who ever heard Either one of these guys and boy I thought they were terrible Love it

But the big thing was I thought Petty's first game Didn't look too good He seemed to lose it all after he had that Misconnection on a bomb And after that That tick at the end was just forcing it It's terrible

That's basically it I'm not sure why Petty was smiling At midfield at the end of the game I would think you would have been a little more intense But maybe he was just happy he was sorry That's it Bye Can I say one thing about your dad?

You know, the listener can ride with us on things that we enjoy maybe more than some listeners would. I don't deep six that aspect of the show at all. If your dad is unwilling to do it because it's becoming painful, but I think the thing about your dad and the reason the Jets fandom got handed down to you is because you don't disappear in week 10, week 11. You take it to the end.

And, by the way, his analysis is concise and correct. I think TD has some competition for body language reading. Keith Hansis is very big on body language. Watch out for Petty. Did that bother you? I missed it. I have to go back and check it out. That's why we need your dad here.

Yeah. No, I think, no, you make a very compelling case. You know, I think I love to hear my dad. And I think, I won't say, by the way, who that announcing team was or should we? That's what I've been Googling in the last 30 seconds, haven't figured. It was the Tom Brennam and Charles Davis team. Oh, yeah. You can't.

You can't. The thing. Charles Davis typically does a great job, honestly. Like, he's been very. That three-man booth with him. Chris Spielman has been really good. One thing that got on my radar in the game was, and this is a trait that bugs me about all announcing teams,

but when there's a bad quarterback involved and you still feel the need to shower them with praise, even like the more they struggle almost when they do something even halfway competent, you have to double down. Like at one point, Kis Keenum, he scrambled for a first down and dove head first, and I think it was Brennan just lost his ass.

He was like, oh, you could see the grin. determination in his face. You know, case game stinks. We're going to shower him with praise. Keith Hansa stays on the air, and let's move forward. Pliak's a fake soul by Winston dropping. Was it looking down to feel. He's got but wide over the reserve.

It's Freddie Martino to the goal line. Touchdowns have a bay. Buccaneers get a touchdown throw. Freddie Martino's first career touchdown grabbed just a second catch as a pro. And the Buccaneers score on the opening series of the second half. Gene Deckerhoff, W-F-U-S. Sounds like a good grandfather. He could tell him his voice, kindly, probably kindly with his children's children.

Glean that one in my research. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers kept their season alive on Sunday whipping up on the dreadful Chicago Bears and a 3610 win at the pirate ship. I just made that up. James Winston played one of his best games of the season, throwing for 312 yards and two touchdowns. Greg Tampa Bay has a lot of flaws, but there is a pulse on a day

where every other NFC South team went down. Yeah, in the standings, there is. It's funny to think that they're ahead of the Panthers and tied with the Saints. Because to me, they're not even close to in their caliber and they're not factors the rest of the year. But one thing I loved watching this game, and I'm sure everyone will see the highlights.

It's something that James Winston's been doing great all year, which is improvising and scrambling. I don't think he can make a living for the rest of his career doing that, but he is one of the best quarterbacks throwing outside the pocket this year. I'm just kind of making plays up as he goes along. It's fun to watch if nothing else. All of that is true. Are you ready to ditch your false narrative that Jay Cutler is somehow bound to draw us all in?

I said I thought he had a chance. Clearly, I was wrong. I haven't watched it. Three killer turnovers in this game. Page five of my notes from Thursday show was entirely dedicated to the heat between Wes and Greg over Jay Cutler that's been carrying on for about...

I was wondering Wes's face started to look like a bull before he enters the ring, and I honestly didn't know what was happening. I'm talking about just now. I haven't watched this game at all, so I have no idea if he plays well. Harkening back to the dozens of tweets I got today from Bears fans thanking me

for saying that Jay Cutler is... That's a mighty heart right. You're not worthy of any praise. I fell for one good primetime game. He's due for that, I guess, every year. Yeah. Well, you had four attempts at it, so. He's probably the biggest tease ever seen in sports.

Jay Cutler contributed three turnovers in the first half alone, including a pick six to Chris Conte and a fumble inside Tampa's 10-yard line that ended a scoring chance. The Bears are now 8 and 16 under John Fox, who is also, oh, oh, my buttocks. No, I don't think so. You don't think he's, uh, oh. I think they've been playing better the last few weeks anyways.

I think when you have the youngest team in the NFL for the second straight year, by far, they're going to be gradium on a curve, and I think they're in it with this GM and coach. Well, you're going to start all over again every two years. They're going to happen. They're definitely going to start all over on offense next year. I mean, you have to. You want Foxy involved on a complete offense review.

A wide receiver. You got Cameron Meredith. Alshan Jeffrey's going to the highest bidder. He's probably going. You've got to draft a quarterback, and you've got to show that you can develop a quarterback. Is that John Fox? I'm not saying he's my favorite coach.

In fact, the opposite. Yeah, it's kind of been the opposite. I just don't think he's going to. It all boils down to who enters the race. And if someone that we don't expect becomes available as a head coach or more coordinators pop up between now and then. I mean, what do what does it say about the Bears if it doesn't entice you to maybe look around?

What is your ceiling in Chicago? By the way, the Bucks who are in the standings at Chiefs versus Seahawks, at Chargers versus Saints, at Cowboys, at Saints. Bye-bye. I mean, every game, no matter who they're playing, is a coin flip-it-beth.

Right. Oh, if they win two of those games, I would be stunned. I mean, I think the over-under is half a game. What? I'm just saying, Have you watched their team? You have really turned on your bucks. How did you know about the over and the tape?

Greg, we talked about this. You don't want to slide back. I'd say those are good teams at Kansas City. You know, the Seahawks. Greg has a very questionable past that the three of us have simply overlooked to allow this podcast to go on without an investigation attached to it. You have worked very hard and we're all very proud of you. We just don't want you to slide back.

This is almost as fictional. as Dan's Coaltown roots. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did I tell you that I had a pet? And it was a canary. Enough said. NFC Westhawk. Cat and Zero's got two game-winning kicks in his career.

He'll try for a third here. Here's the snap, spot. Kick on the way. It is up, and it is good. It is good, and the Cardinals have won it. A big win for Arizona to get back to 4-4-1 on the season. Chandler Catanzaro. Cantazero?

You must have been green with envy at his casual drop of Caton Zero. Caton Zero? Is that what it was? Chandler Caton Zero didn't miss this time. The kicker swung the leg and converted it on a 34-yard field goal as time expired lifting the Cardinals to a desperately needed 23-20 win over the feeble San Francisco 49ers. Mark, the Cardinals got back to 500,

but we ain't handed out lollipops. We're needing 60 minutes to knock off the Niners. She's not going to do it. You want a lollipop? Go get it for somebody else. Maybe that kindly grandfather, Gene Deckeroff, of WFUS, but it ain't coming from the around the NFL podcast. If Gene is handing it out, that's one option.

You're going to need to be buying your own candy and thank you pieces to yourself at this point. You're four and four and one. And I understand the NFC is a big disaster outside of two or three teams, but I don't know with the Cardinals. I mean, this was not the win that you would say is an impressive when I need to go back and watch it in full, but just looking at it from a bird's eye view. Give me more. I think this is the low point of their season.

I mean, not really because you get a win. You feel good. But in terms of how I feel about the Cardinals, which in how maybe we should look at the Cardinals, I think it's as bad a result as they've had. To score three points in the second half against the 49ers and have it come down to a last second drive, for your second half drives to be fumble, punt, interception,

punt, interception, and then the field goal, which they did pull off to win the game. That's good. Against the 49ers, that's just, it's crazy. But one question. I mean, the Niners have been, the run defense has been such a massive disaster. David Johnson, 2.9 yards per carry held a 55 yards. This is arguably the best running back in football.

You still had an impact, 100 total yards and two touchdowns. Well, he always finds a way through the air to do just as much as he does on the ground. On the ground struggled. I have to wait for game pass to see. But the offensive line was the issue at Carol. Carolina before the buy hit. There were no holes for him. He was getting hit in the backfield.

It's not on David Johnson. One of the reasons I wanted to fork the Cardinals, look at their schedule. They close out with five of seven games on the road. The easiest of those road games, maybe next week at Minnesota, which plays a lot tougher in their new home stadium. This is when they needed, they won. And the NFL players will tell you they don't care how the wins come. They got the win and they move on. but this one it would have been good to have a nice 37 to 6 win where everybody is flying

and you're getting a little swagger back and then you go to Minnesota and try to knock that team off but coming out of this game where's the confidence i would think it's not any better or worse than it was before the line is this much of an issue and it's been you know for a number of teams in this division Seattle's found a way around it for the most part but if you're arizona and it's crippling your offense to that degree what it what are we you're going to win a couple more games and it's going to be over. Let's move out. Which takes us to Sunday night. A great Sunday of football ends with another tremendous game. The Seattle Seahawks

on the road at Foxborough go ahead by a touchdown with four minutes to play. Decide to go for two. Do not convert puts the Patriots in a spot where they can march down the field and tie the game with a touchdown and an extra point. The paths go all the way down the field to the doorstep to the goal line. They can't get on first down, second down, third down, which led us to the final play of the Patriots game on offense, and this is what it sounded like. Bronkowski lines up as the fullback. Now, Gronk splits out.

And all kinds of action in the end zone. They look for a flag. they see none. Chancellor with a coverage and Seattle's going to win it. What a finish. Rob Grankowski cannot pull in the pass. You know, we don't know

we'll talk about whether or not there should have been a flag on the play, but the final score, 31 to 24. The Seahawks take down the New England Patriots and Chris Westland take down one of your sandwich props from just last week. Their first loss under Tom Brady, they fall

to seven and two. It's the, I was waiting for Sidney's drop. It's the beginning of a long losing street, right, Greg? Why would you say that? I don't know. I did lose that sandwich wager, as I have, all sandwich wagers so far this year. As far as the call at the end of the game, Grunk initiated the contact. Then Cam Chancellor grabbed his arms.

I think you could have called that any one of three ways, and it would have been fine. I think it no calls the right call there. when there's that much contact. That's one of the reasons why I don't think you want to throw that play in that situation. I guess you could argue, okay, maybe you could get a flag and then you get an extra play. But to me, that's a low percentage play. The last two play calls were curious. I know Brady has a great history with sneaking the ball.

It makes sense to me on first down that they did it. They were trying to, you know, rush it. They maybe were trying to burn a little clock or make the Seahawks, you know, waste the time out if it doesn't work. But those two last plays were low. percentage plays on the goal. What would you have like to see, not saying this in a challenging manner, but what would you have preferred to see it?

I would have liked to see him run more than one time from the one-yard line in four-place. What about the fourth down, though? You want to run? Blunt up fourth down, interesting. Well, he got very close. I mean, he got within a whisper. I would have sent him right over the top again.

Yeah, and Tom Brady, you know, he, what is it, that knocks him down from 100% to 99.8% conversion rate on the sneak. I didn't mind that call either. They just didn't get it done. Didn't get it done. And you have to like where the Seahawks are sitting on a night where C.J. Procise emerged as a new weapon for this offense. They're a second half team every year anyway. And now you got Procise who goes up 150 yards.

And he allows them to do things that Chris and Michael doesn't do. Kristen Michael doesn't run routes. You can line him up outside, but he's just running straight. He's not running routes like C.J. Procise does. Seahawks had 420 yards and 10 drives. So that continues their rebirth, if you want to call it that. I mean, I thought Russell Wilson was all the way back last week. People think, I want to see a little more running around.

I mean, he was at electric against Buffalo. He was electric delivering the ball tonight. And they're a past first team, I think. And when they get Thomas Rawls back, if he's like Thomas Rawls, and you have Michael you can use in certain situations, they'll be able to run the ball enough but they're a pass first team in this Patriots defense

any concerns I had going into the game obviously they're heightened now after this one well it's a good thing that you dump Jamie Collins I mean it's just a bit now Sydney is it really fresh or funny oh it was always a bit is it really that is it really that dynamic

or inventive at this point it's funny it's pretty good it's funny I enjoy it this is helping it's helping the bit let's go ahead Sydney you want to play it again Oh, Sunday night. Just the most smug look I've ever seen on Sydney's face. Yeah, I like it. I like we just got a little attitude behind the glass.

Seahawks' schedule. Think about what these teams really are coming up. Eagles next week, that's interesting. Then the Bucks, a stink fest. The Panthers, who everyone still wants to call an NFC playoff team, but are not. The Packers who are dive bombing. The Rams who are a mess. The Cardinals who are amassed and they close with the 49ers.

Just let him go. Just let them go. They could wind up walking away with the number one seed in the NFC if Dallas crumbled. But Dallas, to me, Dallas and Seattle, that's a fascinating. You want to talk about the teams that are for real? That's two NFC teams that are for real. They just gave us the two back-to-back great games. When's the last time you saw a four-clock game lead into the Sunday night game

and two of the best games of the season? I mean, that staff they showed that it's the first week in NFL. history with two games with seven lead changes there wasn't an eighth i mean the odds of the patriots not scoring there once they're on the one yard line with 45 seconds to go are pretty low i mean i don't know what the odds would be it almost makes it a little too cute and a little too obvious for everyone writing this game i mean flipping super bowl 49 around it's insane you can't write this stuff don't don't write that narrative the next day well i'm not but i'm saying that's that's gonna be it I mean, it's the exact same game.

It's the exact same, not the exact same, but very similar. Can I go back? Because I think on a big week for the Patriots where Donald Trump was elected, very excited the leadership on down about Trump's America to fall on Sunday night, kind of in direct opposition. But I digress. Down at the, after the touchdown by Seattle, the third touchdown reception from Doug Baldwin, the decision to go for two was fascinating by Pete Carroll,

who Daniel Jeremiah, Greg, had a good line about it. But the chance here was they're up seven. They wanted to go up nine to basically, with four and a half minutes ago, potentially bury New England. But the flip side, to me, was too dangerous. Too much sugar for a dime is a Texan term in this case, that you leave it at seven if you miss. And indeed, since this was Sunday of week 10

where everyone misses every two-point conversion, 0 for 6 today in Pittsburgh that they left the door open. I didn't like that move, Greg. You let your best player who's playing an electric, almost perfect second half, try to put the game away right there in Foxborough, four minutes left. I always like putting the ball in the hands of your best player. And then, you know, your defense can go win the game for you if it doesn't work out. And you know what? That's what they did.

Well, they stopped them at the goal line, so we'll never really, I guess, know on some level. But we did capture, NBC captured Bill Belichick, mouthing to people in his headset, why would they go for two? So Belichick certainly wasn't expecting that. Well, I mean, I see why a lot of people wouldn't be expecting it or would, you know, shrug it off as an ill decision. But Seattle's just always sort of done things on the field with Pete Carroll up in the front office with their entire operation up there, their own way.

I mean, I think had they nailed that two-point conversion, we would be hailing Pete Carroll for being totally... I was first guessing it. I didn't like it before they did it, and then it just looked even worse than I did. Well, I'm just if you get it, the game is over, basically. Still think it made sense. What was the worst-case scenario?

You're still up seven. Worst case scenario is you don't put New England in a position where they score a touchdown, and then they have to convert two, which is not a gimmee in this league as we learned. Nor is an extra point. I mean, it's a move, though, that speaks to a greater confidence, which is partly why the Seahawks are who they are

because they're going to go for it. They're going to do things a little unconventionally. It's the same reason why Bill Belichick can trade away Jamie Collins in the middle of the season. And there's a lot of people mouthing on the phone a lot worse things than why would they do that? What were they mouthing? They were mouthing some F-bombs.

Why would they change Jamie Collins? Why do you got a Landon Roberts covering down the field? It's because you have a certain confidence of the way you're going to do things. and over time, I think that affects your team. Can you unpack too much sugar for a dime? No. It's just something I've heard from my mother-in-law and my wife many times.

They need to update some phrases. I mean, even for just what money gets you these days, sugar for a dime, there isn't a human that is under the age of 35 or 40 that makes any sense to. Or 70. This will sound like a thrown number. of slees type of take here, but maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for the Patriots to lose a game and for Bill Belichick, because I think Bill Belichick was pretty upset about this

defense, and I think you saw it again. And maybe they are going to improve. Maybe they aren't. They traditionally finish strong, and I think they'll get better. But maybe this is one of those games that he can get it through to his guys, that they're not that good on defense. Correction. Too much sugar for a dime is something that is more trouble than it's worth. That's just the phrasing in Texas and other places. I don't know where else. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah.

I got you. One last thing I have for this game, the best quarterback in the field was not Tom Brady. Tom Brady hit a great game. Tom made some nice throws. He dropped some absolute perfect throws. Tommy didn't throw a touchdown today. Tommy threw a pick. Tommy's passer rating was south of 100.

And that's what I call a hashtag gradual decline. This is the game that you're going to attempt to... This is all I have. You're going to attempt to angle your movement around this game. You're in big trouble. I thought you abandoned that movie. Oh, yeah. I didn't abandon anything.

So since Ligarrett Blund had three short touchdowns on drives that Tom Brady led down the field with beautiful passes, then he didn't have a good night. That movement is a derelict cabin in the middle of the woods, with weeds growing all over and nature reclaiming it. as its own. First and goal. Still out on science.

First and goal, just outside the end zone, cannot convert. Maybe a better quarterback does. That's all I'm saying. I mean, Dan, you're now a father of two. It's time to see things with clear eyes, and you refuse to do that. You live in a false world. Okay.

Okay. Do it for your family. You guys watch your little game pass extra where it goes hour 14, and then you tell me. Listen, I'm not pleased about that. Who was the better quarterback on this day? That's all I got. that's all we got and i'm sorry gregg if i got a little carried away watching the game in the

second half i don't like to like well hold on people's radar it would have it would have been fine except you announced to the room you know what gregg i'm going to soften my approach and just not saying anything more and then you dig right into a myriad of diatribes pretending to be belichick pretending to do you know you just started to sink daggers but it was i wasn't happy with myself it's one of those things you just file away and you note it and the next time you're you you know, the Jets or the Browns are an irrelevant primetime game in 2023. Why am I involved? I'll bring it up.

Why am I involved? I didn't say a single word during that broadcast to you. 2023 is awfully generous for the Jets. You guys, you guys know it all. Must be cool to know everything. The geniuses. Oh, I can see everything. What are you including in that you're talking about?

What are you including in that thing? Oh, listen, I didn't say anything about you. It's like, Wes, I can see. quit my team so I can just make these type of judgments on other people's favorite scene. And Greg's like, oh, I'll file that away. Mr. Throne. You don't get to say that. I don't quit my team. My team

quit me. Well, agreed to this. This is what Dan is. You're wrong. Out of things to say when he just starts going, ooh, the experts running around. Anyway, he made some good points. It was a great game. It was a great Sunday night and a great week of football and a great podcast.

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