NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2016 Week 3 Review

Episode Date: September 26, 2016

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler – recap all the games from the third Sunday of the regular season including Trevor Siemian leading the Broncos to victory over the Bengals and the Buffalo Bills taking down Carson Palmer’s Cardinals. Then the heroes break down the Sunday Night Football game where Ezekiel Elliott and the Cowboys defeated the Brian Hoyer led Chicago Bears.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Woo! Week three. You know the season's getting good when there's a pre-pod argument about who's got it worse, Browns, or Jets fans, just to get everyone flowing before the old periscopes. With Greg gleaming with smiles and giggles and laughter about the fortune of a...

It's good for him to see Dan and Mark get on each other while he just sits a thousand yards above us and joining his human, human fate. Have a nice time with it. If ever there was a call for a throne of ease on Greg, it's enjoying it. That was ridiculous, Greg. The Jets have one of the more humiliating games than the franchise's history. The Browns figured out a way to blow another one. I'm just saying it's no.

You're three and O with like, you know, Joe Garbage Poyal at quarterback. I didn't do anything. Yes, you are because it is absolutely woven into the faux fabric of who you are. So you are three and no. Your worldview and the way that you see football is very much linked to the fact that Your team has dominated Earth since the year 2000. Just there's some things. Don't tread in this territory with us, okay?

Nobody wants you there. Don't go there. Mark's been waiting to unfur all that remark for at least since Thursday night. Well, I'm not going to be, I don't want Dan and I to be giggled at. That to me is a bridge too far. No, yeah, Mark and before we get into all the games, Mark and I had a little disagreement right before we started because the nature of the Jets loss was.

you know, humiliating and it was, you know, coming off the heels of such a great win that instilled hope in the franchise. And I was just saying it's, it's more painful to think you have a chance and have it taken away, whereas Mark's in a situation where seemingly there's no hope at all. Minus great win. Right. There's no, it's less fun, I would say, for sure, as a Browns fan, but maybe a little more painful as a Jets fan. That was my take. That's all. We'll get, we'll get to those games. We will. But there are more important teams, more relevant teams, let's face it, to talk about here in week three, in a week where we saw a lot of interesting things

happening at the top of the NFC folks, which could have a very different look come January when we talk about which teams are on by. Who is the true superpower in the NFC? A lot of things to get excited about folks, especially if you are in the land of, yes, 900 plus 100 lakes. I thought you're going to jump on me on that one. I don't even know how many lakes there.

Is it 10,000 lakes or 1,000 lakes? 10,000 plus 9,000. You were never good at man. No. 10,000 lakes is wild if you think about it. Too many lakes. You don't need that many. No, you could never have too many lakes.

I like lakes too, but it almost seems like a lie. That's all. So a lot of games to get to, folks. So why don't we dive right in? We will start in the AFC. Well, actually, why don't we start, folks? In the Queen City. in the queen city is that Charlotte well that's one of the queen city

Cincinnati's the other one okay I don't know off to a rollicking start here let's start in Charlotte where the Minnesota Vikings and their defense oh Marron their defense continues to make a statement one week after taking down Aaron Rogers making him look human Minnesota took it to Cam Newton and the Panthers offense the result of 22 to 10 victory for the Vikings and Greg Rosenthal, there's no way around it. The Vikings are for real, right? Oh, absolutely. And Mark Sessler, if you didn't enjoy some of the outcomes on Sundays, you're going to be enjoying

this one when you watch it on Game Pass because this team that you've been talking up for weeks was faced with a 10-0 deficit early, Carolina doing anything that they wanted. and they turned the game around with a DeNeil Hunter sack safety of Cam Newton where he throws Michael O'Raside, throws Cam Newton to the ground, and that was one of eight sacks they had on the day. They hit Cam Newton 12 times. They scored 22 straight points to finish out that game that ends a 14-game home winning streak for the Panthers,

and they did it by, I wouldn't say, embarrassing the Panthers, but just saying, hey, we're tougher than you are. You guys kind of think of yourself as a tough physical team. We can't run the ball at all. It doesn't matter. Our defense is going to dominate you so much. And Sam Bradford, even though he had a rough first half in this game, made enough throws, came out of halftime and was very good after halftime, and they wouldn't go in

away 22 to 10. It was really remarkable, the best defensive performance I've seen from any team this season so far. So the key to beating the Panthers is to have one of the most athletic defensive fronts in the NFL because that's how the Bronx. Broncos beat them, too. I think they also, the Vikings, you look at that week one win over the Titans, the adjustments that they made at halftime.

Yeah. It happened again. Very few teams are adjusting the way they are. And you can even say early in the game, maybe they adjusts because Cam Newton looked great. I thought he's looked like the best quarterback in the league again, the first two games. In the first quarter of this game, he has thrown beautiful passes to get up 10-0. They make some adjustments.

The Panthers defense only gives up 34 yards, total yards in the first half. But the Vikings have a way of staying in these games, even without their offense. They had a safety. They had a punt return for a touchdown. And then once Bradford and the offense got it going a little bit in the second half, it was all she wrote. The Sunday night win over the Packers was obviously impressive. But when you factor in, they were opening up their building and they had the home crown going nuts. And just a lot of things seemed to be going their way.

Say, okay, nice win. But you go down to Charlotte, a place where the Panthers have looked absolutely unbeatable since last year. and really give it to them. You need to now anybody that doesn't believe in the Vikings, and it's still early, of course. But without Adrian Peterson with San Bradford entrenched, this team looks like they're for real. Yeah, I mean, we talked about the combination of Cam Newton and Kelvin Benjamin.

Just three or four days ago is this unstoppable force that no team can deal with. Zero yards off one target for Kelvin Benjamin. One target. Wow. With a couple minutes left in the game. and that was a miscommunication that should have been picked off that Kelvin Benjamin went the wrong way. I think the return of Xavier Rhodes helped their cornerbacks are so physical.

Devin Funches and Benjamin didn't have a catch between him. After the game, Captain Munnerland said he doesn't really think Funchis is a very good player and that they focused on stopping Kelvin Benjamin. So these were some physical cornerbacks that were more physical than the Panthers receivers in this game. and there's just so many different Vikings players, Vikings defenders that can get after. I mean, Everson Griffin, three sacks, three tackles for loss. Anthony Barr ran down Cam Newton to help stop a drive.

Harrison Smith had a big safety booths. And Mike Zimmer, he had Cam Newton scrambled. I mean, because they were doing their double A gap blitz where you didn't know who was going to rush. The whole second half, they had no answers for who was who they were sending in terms of their blitzers. They beat the Packers and the Panthers in back-to-back weeks. two NFC superpowers two best quarterbacks in the league perhaps can we call the vikings a superpower if they don't have a running game and can't protect sam bradford that's a fair question no well yes i think i think you can because they're not going to they're not a perfect team they're going to have to win in strange ways

they're not going to go 16 and no they're going to have some weeks where they can't over come their formula for playing invites close games absolutely so they're going to have tough weeks but their toughness and their defense, I think still keeps him as a super. Do you think Bradford is playing just as well as anyone could have expected Teddy Bridgewater, too? Well, it depends what you were expecting from Teddy. Well, I think Teddy Bridgewater, statistically, is probably never going to blow you away early in his career, but he threw 14 touchdowns last season, had some interceptions

too. Bradford seems to be showing great chemistry with Kyle Rudolph, number one. The whole hook of the-digs last week. A different player this year, Kyle Rudolph, was really good on the intermediate throws. Even though their offense did nothing in the first half, they had three, fairly long scoring drives in the second half. The whole hook of the Teddy Bridgewater injury, which made it even doubly painful,

was a lot of people thought he was going to become next level type version of himself. So we'll never know now. But Bradford doesn't have to be dominant with this defense. You know, he could just hold the fort guy. They scored 12 points today. It wasn't their offense. When you're supported by that defense,

I think any quarterback would be in good shape. Panthers now one and two more losses than they had all the regular season last year. And now the Vikings have the tiebreaker in a head-to-head. So keep an eye on that. Wait, one last thing. I've heard people blame some of the Panthers. This was sticking in your crop. Oh, yeah.

I've heard multiple analysts say, well, the protest this week, I think that wound up being a big distraction. That was a draining part. And, you know, I'm not trying to minimize what that meant for the city. Obviously, it's a city. The police shooting, you're referencing. The city changing event. But when you try to take that event and say what it meant for a football game,

well, did it not count in the first half of that game when they were absolutely dominating? It only showed up in the second half that it just like. Like, all right, people, back off a little. You're saying, come back to us. Come back to us, people. You're saying more original thoughts and stop parodying what other people say. Moving on, gentlemen. So we talked about one Super Bowl, Super Bowl team from last season.

Let's talk about the other one, the Denver Broncos, who, listen, come back to us around the NFL podcast. This room was not thinking too highly of the Broncos, especially because of their quarterback unrest. But here's Trevor Simeon now, who has the Broncos at three. and Trevor Simeon was asked to do things that maybe you wouldn't think someone at his level would be able to do. He was able to pass the ball downfield, make plays. And in the end, the Broncos defeated the Cincinnati Bengals 29 to 17 in Cincinnati, my anti-lock of the week. Anti-lock breaks, lock of the week. I don't know.

I'll work on that. But anyway, I thought Cincinnati had this game in hand. But Wes, the Broncos are doing it all. It was a back-and-forth game. And I think by the end of this game, it hit home to me that the Broncos are better this year than they were last year because Trevor Simeon is better than Peyton Manning and Brock Oswald. Interesting. I guess that's true.

And he's not, before tonight, he was not asked to make throws. He had attempted fewer passes of 20 or more yards than any quarterback in the NFL entering this game. And then he hooks up with Manny Sanders on a 41-yard TD, drops one in the bucket for Demarius Thomas on a 55-yard TD, had a nice pretty throw to Jeff Hiram in for 26 yards. He was letting the ball go, and I think that was an emphasis from the Broncos. They wanted Demarius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders more involved in their offense, so they wouldn't be a one-dimensional. I think watching the first two games, that's a very fair statement,

that they're better than they were. And the defense, you know, all these teams, you look at the Cardinals and the Panthers don't look like the way they did at the end of last season right now. But Denver, and they talked about it their defense, said, it's all one big thing. There is no last season in this season, and their defense has played that way every single game. and they're getting better quarterback play to 100-yard receivers

and Emmanuel Sanders and Demarius Thomas today. Simian can do it. Listen to these numbers. 23 of 35, 312 yards, 8.9 yards per attempt, four touchdowns, no interceptions, took only two sacks, 132.1 passer rating. And I, you know, I owe John Elway in a bit of an apology because this is the guy that they had in this system. Yes, you do.

Some of us own up to our, you know, wrong statements. That's all. And I'm saying. Okay, well, then you know what, credit to you, because you are doing that. Yeah. And it to Dan. Okay.

So what I'm saying here is... Great job, Dan. Thank you. You guys should all work on it yourselves. Trevor Simeon looks great. He looks like the guy that they needed. And listen, they signed Mark Sanchez to be the quarterback, so it's not like this was plan A, but he was in the system.

So Elway looks like he found somebody. John Elway was noticed after the game that he at replied at some guy who responded to him when he took Trevor Simeon a year and a half ago saying, why did you waste this pick? on Trevor Simeon. And the message didn't say anything. It was just an at, at this guy, but to that one. And I love thinking about that John Elway is potentially that petty, that he's going after some guy on Twitter saying, how you like me now?

Not that petty. That competitive. Yeah. I mean, wait, all of us were snipping at each other all day long about things we've done and said, so we're essentially the equal of John Elway. I just said I love it. I just said I love it. I love that he's sticking it to the guy.

I'm just saying I see us as the equal of John Elway. What's your concern level of the Bengals? You said before this game, are we sure the Bengals are that good of a team? What's your thought after it? Well, they're now five and seven in their last 12 games. So that's not really a playoff contender type of streak. But they've also played quality competition. You're losing to the Broncos.

You're losing to the Steelers. I don't want to ding them too much, but they definitely need Tyler Eifert back in their passing a game because it's all AJ Green right now. But they haven't looked good. I think there's a way you lose these games and you think better of them. But the week one, I think they were really dominated, lucky to get a win. Last week, yeah, I know the conditions were strange,

but, yeah, they were significantly outplayed by Pittsburgh. And then it sounds like in this game, at least in the second half they were. Maybe we shouldn't be so surprised, by the way, that their offense isn't as good because Marvin Jones, who's playing like a star in Detroit and most of them who's doing things in Atlanta and Tyler Eiford, who's out with the foot injury. They're in a really bad place right now. It's a lot of firepower. how they have there's maybe they're still figuring out how are they going to make this work i think

effort's the key he's a true difference maker one of the best red zone weapons in the entire league moving on gentlemen hmm here's a surprising outcome uh this one uh matchup between two pennsylvania teams the eagles who have a quarterback in carson wince who beat up on two bad teams in the first two weeks of the season and now all of a sudden you get pitts what's going to happen but guess what carson wince uh took it to the Steelers, gentlemen, Chris Wesleying, a 34 to 3 wins where Wents look great and the Eagles defense looked outrageous, huh? Wentz looks better every week.

And after a week in which the Ben Rathlisberger comparisons were bound to happen because they were playing against each other, two guys who have both been passed over by the Cleveland Browns, both 6'5-240, athletic. If people haven't seen Ben Rathlisberger, if you're young and you didn't see him in his first few seasons in the NFL, one of the most athletic quarterbacks of the 21st season. century. Wentz is just like that, and his ability to keep his eyes downfield while there's pressure in the pocket really shown through today. 73-yard touchdown to Darren Sprouls when he evaded a couple of would-be sackers, kept his eyes downfield, and floated. Greg's favorite part of Carson

Wentz's game. A catchable feathery ball. Oh, yeah. The Darren Sprouls. Catchable ball. Nice soft. No question that Wentz is, you know, much more than a lot of people. thought, including people right around these parts in our offices. You know, people were all over the place on Wentz, but it's not just that because this team in the way that the defense is operating is a whole other side of the story. The Eagles suddenly are a look much more like a complete team than anyone would have predicted. Well, I think Jim Schwartz is already joining the Josh McDaniels for the top two candidates for head coaching vacancies in January, and they, Fletcher Cox had two more sackskin today.

They pushed that pocket all day long. There was no Steelers ground attack. Big Ben had rushers in his face. Fletcher Cox averaging a sack of a game over the last seven games. Brandon Graham playing well. Connor Barwin. Malcolm Jenkins had a great game. This is a stifling defense right now.

I mean, they held the Steelers to three points. That, I mean, with the secondary that they have, and I think they're getting great safety play out of Jenkins and Rodney McLeod. But with those cornerbacks, you thought that was going to be a weakness matching up against the Steelers, holding Pitts. Pittsburgh, the three points. This might be the most surprising score of the season. I know they were 2 and 0, but just the way that the actual score line, 34 to 3, that's the biggest loss, I think, with Tomlin since 1989, its biggest loss in the Tomlin era.

Steelers moved the ball through the air early, but this score looks lopsided because there was no garbage time stats. The Steelers just couldn't get it going in the second half when they were down by a lot, and they couldn't pad any stats. They really missed Martavis Bryant in this game. You've got Sammy Coates is good for one 40-yard play a week, but doesn't do anything else. Eli Rogers left with a toe injury and never came back. Marcus Wheaton dropped three passes. There's no Laderius Green. So I think it's finally coming.

The chickens are coming home to roost a little bit in the passing game. Perfect timing for Leveon Bell, who's coming back next week. Tomlin told the CBS crew, El Bell, will be starting. There's no, like, easing him back in behind DeAnglo Williams. Well, I mean, up until this game, though, DeAngelo Williams looms over the last two seasons is one of the best free agent signings by any team you couldn't have asked to have done any more but eight for 21 today in that Philly line man that's eagles fans who were in such a low place a couple months ago wondering everything that was going on and question

wondering if there'd ever be a bright spot you're averaging over 30 points a game right now and you are killing team how and you have the feel that you have a quarterback for the next X amount of years you know it's 21 years Greg I think the most of the most of The surprising thing with Wents is that you expect the big plays, the highlight plays. But with a rookie quarterback, you also expect a ton of mistakes. And he's the first quarterback in history to throw zero interceptions in his first 100 pass attempt. And how about the guts to go to him when he hadn't played at all in the preseason? He's coming off to Broken Ribs.

This is the biggest win-win trade I can ever think of through three weeks in NFL history. The fact that the Vikings are sitting there with Sam Bradford looking great at 3. They're very happy with this. Yep, Doug Peterson credit. I think he saw this in Wentz and led to the trade. And frankly, this is one of the best coached teams in the NFL right now. And this is not Kansas City's offense from last year. There are other elements to it.

They're playing with pace. It's a different situation. The NFC. East is a little more interesting now. I think the Giants had a rough game today, but the Cowboys, the Eagles, they're a little more. They might ultimately live up to their 88 primetime games this season. Definitely more fun to watch Division than they were last year. And if we're handing out, you know, pats on the back, How about our friend Howie Roseman?

Went through the mud? Men who crawled through a river of duty and came out clean on the other side. See, I like that you adjusted it for the Periscope audience. No swearing. That's for you, kids. No, no beeps. We're going to say duty was for you. Absolutely.

All right, moving on gentlemen. Ow! Next. The Green Bay Packers got healthy on offense. Four touchdowns from Aaron Rogers. and, you know, an FU performance for the ages in the first half on Sunday at Lambeau Field. Four touchdown passes, two to Jordy Nelson, huge first half lead. And then it all went away in the second half.

The offense got really conservative, and the Lions' offense woke up to make it a game. But in the end, the Packers were able to run out the clock, a 3427 win, which won't quiet everybody and won't make people say, oh, all is well in Green Bay. But we saw enough, gentlemen, to think that the. the Packers can get this thing back on track because they really were putting on a clinic in the first half of this game. Well, I think you have to be excited that Jordy Nelson might be Jordy Nelson again. He looked good. How much of that is a lion's defense that has no pass rushers left and the secondary that looks a little beat up too.

That remains to be seen. My takeaway from this game is that Mike McCarthy learned absolutely nothing from his playoff debacle of a couple of years ago, continues to take the foot off the gas pedal and invites teams to come back on him. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. There was no reason for this to be a game, but their offense just looked completely different, and there were even some boo birds out at Lambeau Field because it was... In the second half?

Yeah, they were absolutely unstoppable in the first half. So why would you change anything? Just keep taking it to them. Instead, they tried to take the air out of the football, and it almost came back to haunt him. You don't do that against Matthew Stafford, who's proving again and again this season that he's a guy that can bring teams back.

Well, if there's people that are upset about Mike McCarthy, Dom Capers also has his critics in Green Bay, and you've allowed Matthew Stafford to throw for 385 yards today. But your first takeaway is the number one. Jordy Nelson was outrunning a few people on a couple of these routes today, and that would not have happened over the last two weeks. That changed everything. I would say it was a little bit of a faux 385

because they couldn't do anything when the game was out of hand and was 3110 at the half. And they were missing five defensive starters. So this is a good example of a good team playing complimentary football. on a day where you're not going to be at your best defensively. Five defensive start. That's a big number. I think almost all of them played in last week's game.

Detroit's missing a lot of guys, too. Stafford's playing like a top 10 quarterback easily this season. So it doesn't surprise me that he beats up on, eventually he beats up on a banged-up secondary. Then whoever watched this the closest, Marvin Jones, 205 yards. How much of that came when it mattered the most in this game? The first touchdown kind of got him going. The second touchdown came when a defender fell down in the. the secondary, but he was open all game, had six for 205 and two touchdowns, a 73-yard

touchdown run. Like I said, they got them going offensively where he just took off down the sideline on eight targets. So there's no, there's no question who's the number one receiver there. Golden Tate had four for 40 on six targets. Marvin Jones. They're using him differently. It's good when you, it's good when you, the August reports that you see on Roto World and, you know,

coming from all different places actually click and ring true. And Marvin Jones to Matt Stafford, there's some real chemistry there. The other takeaway I had from this game was on the Packer's side in that, you know, Eddie Lacey had a very nice game, 17 for 103. But again, he doesn't look fast. In fact, he got into the secondary at one point, and it was almost like when a linebacker has an interception, he's almost waiting to be tackled.

I mean, he's not a guy that can blow past anybody, and he's looked very strong, and it takes people to, a lot of people to bring him down, and he brings another dimension to that offense. But I still don't see, and we've talked about this, the same guy that was really dominant at times in his first couple of years. Dan, are you saying that P90X is not the ultimate exercise regime out there? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe he did, maybe it did for a little bit, and then he kind of fell back on some bad habits. There's no way to really know, and I feel like he wears more and more pads every week. He's been effective this season, though, I would say. Hasn't gotten the ball. He's all right. He's doing okay. He's not an asset anymore. He's not like...

It's not an X factor. He's not somebody you have to prepare for like he was as a rookie in his second year. And Mike McCarthy, we saw something in football outsiders where they did research showing him to be one of the worst records in close games over the past two decades. He should learn something from Vince Lombardi, who in the 50s when he was offensive coordinator of the Giants, learned a lesson he carried with him for the rest of his career.

Never try to sit on a ball for the entire quarter. Tell him west. From then on Lombardi, St. we played every game like the score was nothing to nothing. I love it. Love it. Moving on, let's stay in the NFC and talk about an NFC matchup. Oh, yes, the exciting NFC East.

And the Redskins and Giants went back and forth all day at MetLife Stadium, a game in which the Giants kind of summoned some bad memories from last season as they attempt, they seem to be finding ways to keep the Redskins involved, keep them in the mix. and then when the Redskins jumped ahead with a late field goal, it was up to Eli Manning to lead the Giants down the field and get the victory, and this is what happened. Manning back to throw.

Climbs the pocket and his pass is intercepted as he threw it over the middle. It was picked off by Sue of Cravens who made a diving interception. Manning's second interception of the ball game, and that's going to do it. There's Bob Papa of WFAN. Just a crushing way to end the game, Mark Sess. The Giants let one get away. How'd they do it? It's almost like someone had to win this game.

It was a very wild one. A bit of a slop fest. You had six combined turnovers or six combined fumbles, three for each team. And penalties, 19 penalties for 200 yards that kept kind of messing with both teams. It reminded me, like you said, a little bit of some of the issues the Giants ran into last year. And they lost this game, but I would rather be the Giants overtly for the rest of the year. because the combination, when you look at Beckham, Victor Cruz, and rookie Sterling Shepard, 264 yards

off a combined 15 catches for that trio. Cruz looked good again. It's really just pick your poison. And, you know, this in theory, this Redskins' cornerback tandem was one in the better in the league. And they, you know, it was one big play after the next. Now the Redskins had their big plays in the past game too. New York has themselves to blame because this was a win.

They could have gone a three on O off of this. they got in their own way. Wasn't the Washington secondary decimated by injury in this game? I think DeAngel. I mean going into the year they were. Going into the season, you looked at that cornerback duo and said, oh, this is going to be excellent to watch them take on New York, and it's not played out.

Norman, you know, Norman had, of course, after the game he's going to talk about, we won, it was a team win. Well, you did win, but he did not win his matchup with Beckham. Beckham fried him. Bashad Breland left the game with an ankle injury, and DeAngel Hall believed to suffer an ACL injury in this game. And Conner's write-up, he said, if we were scoring the game within the game, this was no contest as far as Beckham versus Norman.

Reminded me of last year when Greg Cosell watched the All-22 tape and said, physically, it wasn't even close. Josh Norman can't hang with Odell Beckham. Beckham is such a different, more skilled player than almost any of these quarterbacks could claim to be. But they talked to both before the game separately to calm them down, the officials. And that annoyed Beckham. And at first, I was just annoyed at Beckham for being annoyed.

But the more I see how this game played out, there was a moment where Norman picked O'Dell Beckham up and kind of carried him like a ballerina as Connor wrote in his piece and he's right. And the refs standing right there and did nothing about it. Isn't that exactly what they would have been talking about, the kind of shenanigans they're trying to cut down on? Norman picked him up, carried him about four yards,

and then dropped him at the official's feet. No flag came out. I have to say, though, you know, Beckham, I didn't watch this game closely, but every time I looked up at the screen and checked in on this game, I saw Beckham, you know, having, throwing some type of fit. He's, you know, you like to have guys that are emotional,

but sometimes this guy seems like a little too much. Even at one point, Eli Manning had to come over and console him or tell him to calm down. At one point, he took a swing at the kicking net and then got clocked in the face by the kicking net. Kicking net one. Dude's got to calm down just a little bit. It's not a little too much.

It's a lot too much. And after the game, you know, there are reports of him in the locker room being more upset than any player they've ever seen, kind of ranting and raving. And then that's not what you want out of your best players. But you do have to flip it around. You have to give credit to Sue of Cravens, who looked incredible last week.

Look, good last week, yeah. In some limited action as a dime linebacker. And the season's over if they lose this game. I mean, I don't have a lot of hopes for the Redskins anyways, but the season's over. You're at 0 and 3. The Giants and the Eagles would be at 3 and 0. So it's a monster play to keep some hopes alive.

I have a term for this. the wounded animal game. Oh, yeah, the O and two game. The O and two game. The Redskins needed that. They're a dangerous team, even if they're not great, and they found a way. Big win for the Redskins.

Can I say one more quick thing? Yes, sir. Your Wounded Animal analogy is dead on because Gruden coached this game like a wounded animal trying to back himself out of the corner. They went a fake punt on 4th and 12 near midfield. Tressway hit a 31-yard pass that it was a big factor in this game. And Gruden over and over.

did some unusual things to just keep the Redskins alive. Typical NFC scheme. And botched the end of the first half sequence, too, right? Oh, that was awful. Well, we've seen that from, it was a Blake Bortles-esque scenario where, you know, Kirk Cousins is in, you know, he's got a chance, very close tight-in on New York's territory to throw a touchdown, and he just takes a sack.

Time runs out. What's that? It's not good. Fitzpocalypse in Kansas City, ladies and gentlemen. My boy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, threw six interceptions, including, I think, four in the fourth quarter alone. One of eight turnovers by the Jets. The end result, a humiliating, yes, I'll say it again. 24-3 lost to the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium, a game in which, you know, I was talking it up on Thursday night's podcast,

that I was excited about, that I thought it would be a close game between two similar teams, similarly matched teams. And I still think the Chiefs are not necessarily a much better team than the Jets, but this was just a game where everything went wrong. I would call up Tony Sparano, ship him to Jersey and buried the balls, because if you're buried the balls, you're buried to pass. Dary the quarterback. Well, I mean, Fitzpatrick was an absolute nightmare in this game.

And you've got to give the Kansas City defense a lot of credit because, They really did, they didn't put a lot, a ton of pressure on them in the back field, but everyone was covered. And we're talking about, we were just raving about the Jets wide receiver set up, as was the rest of the football covering country, about how Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker and Quincy Anunuwa make them a very tough team to deal with. No one was open. And then Fitzpatrick does what Fitzpatrick does, which is he tries to force balls. And when you try to force balls and you don't have a good arm, Chris Wesleying, bad things happen. What was your impression? and I don't know how closely you watch this game

of Marcus Peters, who I think is becoming like one of the best defensive players in the league. Peters was everywhere. And he had two interceptions in this game and seemed to be him and Eric Berry every time, especially, you know, the Jets had multiple opportunities to get back in this game. It was 17-3 for a long period

and the Jets had two drives that took them inside the 10-yard line that ended interceptions. And I was, yeah, I came away extremely, obviously disappointed, but also impressed by the defense. of the chiefs, which was very bend, but don't break. They weren't perfect.

But what they did was they put pressure on Fitzpatrick. And, you know, the thing about it is. The revenge of Bob Sutton. Oh, wow. Bob Sutton revenge game. That was an underplayed narrative. As it should be. But it's just, I mean, it's just classic jets.

And I'm almost, I don't know if I'm taking, I'm distancing myself from the loss and trying not to be so upset because I see that the Patriots obviously look like they're going to have at least another year of absolute dominance. so why should I get so upset anyway? Another few years. Maybe. We'll see. You know, slight regression.com.

Backslash members. Just plugging Garoplo and keep rolling. Bad shoulder might not ever heal. Not that I want that to happen, but you never know how it'll recover. But the reason why the Jets are such a maddening team to root for is because Ryan Fitzpatrick looked like a young Joe Namath in week two, shredding the bills and throwing just a litany of beautiful downfield balls.

and then it got to the point in this game where every ball he was throwing was up for grabs. I thought it was the most reckless QB performance you'll see all season. I mean, we mention this every week with the Jets, but what's doubly concerning is you had to get out of this game with one of a team that's more in your tier potentially because you've got the Seahawks, the Steelers, the Cardinals, and I'm going to throw the Ravens up there after that too. That is a tough month to deal with. And it's the, because it's, I'll just ask you.

Yeah. Because you, you were, for good reason, you, you had hope around Fitzpatrick out after last season. But Fitzpatrick is always, fine, exactly. But he's always, we've always talked about it as a one year type of proposition to quarterback. And now you're getting the second year. And what is your P level? My, uh, the P scale? Your P scale.

It's about, that's about 6.5. But it couldn't have been lower, uh, this morning. Right. What my point is is, is that I'm willing. It's the Fitzpatrick coaster. Forget Gino coaster. Everyone talks about this guy as a game manager. No one is more up and down than Ryan Fitzpacchral.

He is not a game manager. He is, I'm going to go for broke every game. And last week, he's the best quarterback in the league. And this week he's the worst quarterback. I'm willing to kind of throw this game out as a disaster. And I wouldn't be surprised if they play better next week. It just wouldn't shock me. But it doesn't make it any more easy to stomach.

And I just want to try to focus on the Chiefs a little bit. It's so easy to get hung up on the Jets for a lot of reasons. but eight turnovers. But Travis Kelsey looked very much like a baby gronk. He had one play in this game where he caught a pass underneath. He ran away from Calvin Pryor who was a good safety and then ran over another safety, Marcus Gilchrist. Impressive stuff.

I'm looking forward to his dating reality show. Does Kelsey, the one, I get the baby gronk thing and you see it from here to there. But gronk when he's on the field does it game after game after game. Kelsey, I feel like you get that and then he disappears for a week or two and then he does it again in a big way. There are some major differences between the two. They look a lot of like after the catch. Gronk's so much better in the red zone

because he's so much more physical and also a better blocker. It's fair to call him a baby version of Grong. So I'm saying like a two-year-old Grong. Just a two-year-old Grongk. Like Ronk in 1988. There you go. Okay.

That's all I'm saying. No, I'm not, you know, I was just taking the nickname. Catching Kelsey. You're going to watch it? Good. Let's give them. a plug. I'm sure they'll return the favor. You know what? I think we have to check

in with my old man who again, a forever Jets fan. He watched the Super Bowl 3 Conquest by Joe Namath and it's been all downhill since. He's a mensch if he did this assignment. Let's check in with Keith. His name is Keith.

He's Dan's dad. No doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan. What is he going to say about the game today what is he going to say about the game today the Fitzpatrick performance

today was probably one of the worst I've ever seen a QV have in jet history the question that I asked that I think everyone will be asking is if I was the backup quarterback like

Gino Smith for example when are you going to be able to get into a game if you didn't get into this one there was certainly the opportunity that the Jets had in the second half that I think Bulls just should have pulled Fitzpatrick because obviously he did not

have it and he kept forcing it in particular in the red zone where he had two picks that were just horrible. So that's a question I think that's to be answered we'll see what happens next week. I love it Keith talking about, talking

to get him in the game. Again I think his point was that Gino's so bad he couldn't even get into this game. Or the this regime hates Gino so much. If he can't get into this game, he's never going to get it. And also, is there a tougher city to coach in where if you even make a coaching or a quarterback switch late on a road game in week three,

you're going to have to deal with it all week long. Is it really worth it? But I think that's how highly regarded Fitzpatrick is by their coaching staff, if not the front office. I don't think it's that crazy to think Gino Smith would start. We know what you think about Gino Smith. Excellent. Intro music.

I like it. Is it a keeper? It had some funk to it. Yeah, there was a little funk to it. That was Dick Banks, of course, the immortal dick banks all right that's a keeper hang in there dad we'll we'll unpack this game in a full conversation tomorrow moving on gentlemen the indianapolis cults wounded animal game guys wounded animal game they needed it they need let's work on that for next week irish might be a scary

yeah like a fox trapped in a trap a tasmanian devil the avidavals goes oh and two with the one-on-one chargers in their building chargers with a late late lead. It was all coming down to this. And what does Andrew Luck do when he needs to save the season? He looks at Tywy Hilton. Shotgun snap near left hash, four-man rush. And luck throws. He finds Hilton who spins out of the hit at the 50 to the 45 to 40, 35, 30, turns it up left hash, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5. Touchdown. Ty Y Hilton. On second and one, he erupts for 72, and the Colts going to go ahead, Tuckdown, 2622, 117 remaining. The Colts then forced a turnover on the next possession,

and there you go, a 26-22 win, Greg Rosenthal game they desperately needed and they got it. They did. It really keeps their hopes alive heading to London this week, but watching this game, it didn't make me think any differently about the Colts. It didn't make me think they were a good team. If this was the only game you watched of the Chargers this year, you'd think these are two bad teams making a lot.

of mistakes. I mean, they got, the Chargers got into that position to win despite all sorts of problems. I mean, Philip Rivers had a really poor game, I would say, overall. Jason Verrett, who I thought was making the leap, was picked on. And he was the guy in coverage on that play. And he was really the difference in the game was luck going to Verrette in single coverage to Hilton and Dorset again and again, those guys winning off the line of scrimmage against Verrette. who was out of the lineup, out of the game just for a little bit, so maybe he was hurt in the game. I don't know what it was.

But either way, Andrew Luck overall played well, but he made mistakes too. It's like he had a terrible interception. He had an unforgivable fumble that was returned for a touchdown. So it was a lot of mistakes by both of the two quarterbacks. I noticed that every time Andrew Luck plays, Twitter has to engage in some dramatic sweeping debate over whether he is just not a good quarterback. and then he comes back and leads a game-winning drive,

usually when that debate is happening. Well, Greg, does this change the way that we've killed the cults all season for being an incomplete team on both sides of the ball? I think there's some things they do that are interesting that they're going to win games like this, but does it really change your opinion of Indianapolis on any level? No, they ran the ball well in the first half, which was good to see, but they didn't in the second half at all.

Luck had an okay game, but he made some careless, careless turnovers. Their defense, and I think you made fun of me for saying this last week, I think their defense is playing hard. I think they're undermanned, but they're flying around. There are plays to be made in this game, though, for the Chargers, that they just didn't make. I mean, Philip Rivers missed a lot of open throws,

including a third down to Travis Benjamin when they could have killed the clock. He just missed the throw. The game would be over. Wasn't making fun of you. I thought it was funny because that was the highest compliment you could give him, that they're playing hard and earth to everyone who is a college football fan, NFL players do try hard. I mean, at one point there was a second and 40 because Jack Doyle had been called for holding twice.

Jack Doyle is. The offensive line of the Colts was a nightmare. They could not protect the Chargers rushing just four, which is why on the key play of the game, Chargers fans, look, a lot of fan bases have reasons to be miserable today. And in general, like they've had a tough. Little too happy, as you're saying. I think the Chargers fans are in that group because this particular group of Chargers,

not to mention the team might leave, they have led in their last 15 games. They've led in the fourth quarter 10 times. They've lost seven of those 10 games. And they're 3 and 12 in those 15 games overall. They managed to find new ways to lose games each and every week. And this time it was blitzing on 4th and 7 with the game on the line, but playing off coverage. And Andrew Luck just picks out an easy catch.

I mean, that's a coaching issue. Mike McCoy, who, you know, some feel like was given... It's a lot like Mike McCarthy when it comes to late game playing. Yeah, I mean, that's the coaching situation. Jack Doyle is Colt 45. Is his number 45? I don't know, maybe. I mean, we can't get out of here with talking about Melvin Gordon.

What happened? 2.2 yards per carry. You watched it, Greg. Get nervous. Well, should we? I thought he ran pretty well in this game. He made... He could have had a...

Long of seven. 2.2 yards per carry. I'm telling you, he ran pretty hard in this game. I didn't have a huge problem with it. Spice racks on the floor. He would have had a couple more. He had 43 yards receiving. Would have had a touchdown receiving if Rivers didn't miss him a couple times.

Let's move on and talk about the Miami Dolphins, another double wounded animal game. It's like an animal sanctuary where you take wounded animals you find in the wild and then you put them into the sanctuary and then you have them fight. No, you don't. That is the exact opposite. of how animal rescue operates. This is like a rogue one. A new thing. It's not present.

It's an inhumane vision. We got rid of bear baiting 500 years ago. Bad news, guys. Bad things happen in the world. This sanctuary finds wounded animals and they have them fight each other. Well, there was a quarterback who suffered after suggesting that as a strategy.

It didn't just suggest it, Mark. It's a plot line for an archer episode. All right. Freezing. Here we go. You ready? Dolphins, Browns. Browns fell behind to Miami.

It looked like Miami was going to coast. All the people, thousands and thousands of people in their knockout leagues were feeling good about their Miami pick. But guess what? The Browns were plucky. The Browns kept coming back. And after a Ryan Tannenhill fumble late in the fourth quarter, they had a chance to steal the game at Hard Rock Cafe Stadium, whatever it is. Cody Parker signed a day ago, lined up 47-yarder to win it. Snap is back.

Ball is down, parking into it, end over end. that kick is up and he missed it wide left he hooked it again we're going to go overtime and as we view it he really missed it i mean it wasn't close he really hooked it left he's hooked him left all day that's wk r k jim donovan dug deacon and uh listen that was three misses by um cody parky and then the miami duffins took care of business in the overtime given new life jajai around the left corner for the touchdown 3024 final Mark, another dark day for you as a Browns fan. Let's talk about it.

I mean, you can look at this game a number of ways. Yes, it had the moment where I pounded my fist on my work table and you guys were, you know, you knew what was happening. Everyone didn't talk to me for about a half an hour. But I'm going to tell you from another angle, I think Dolphins fans, this was both of these teams have a lot to work on. And I want to get to Miami in a second. But with Cleveland, I'll say one thing before we get into the dolphins.

I've watched a lot of bad Browns football over the years. We all have. They are playing hard. They played hard against the Ravens. They're under-man. So you want to pick them apart and say they're not as talented. They don't have this or that. Well, that's obvious.

Anyone watching the games can see that. But they fought today. Terrell Pryor, 165 yards off 12 touches. They mixed in prior and Cody Kessler at quarterback. It is an underman group that did the best they could. I want to say one thing about the dolphins before we split off here. This team, if you watch what I'm not. happened with the Patriots. And it's New England, and it's the Cleveland, so you couldn't have two

different opponents. But super streaky. It doesn't matter what the defense is, absolutely asleep at the wheel during the first half against New England, and then start to come to life. Same thing. Tanna Hill, two interceptions that really gave Cleveland a feeling that they were in this game going into halftime. He got very hot in the third quarter, and then their final four drives, let Cleveland back in the game with, I think it was four punts, a strip sack fumble, and basically going into overtime and lead a short touchdown drive where Jay Ajay, who's been invisible, runs in for the 11-yard game-winning score. If you're Miami, you have not seen the change you want to see on offense and consistency.

I'm sorry, if you're a Dolphins fan or you're the Dolphins. I'm not going to give you a lollipop here. Neither team could come out with a win with a lollipop, but it's just like, this would have been an embarrassing loss. O&2 had to have a game at home. The game was lost. If the Browns hadn't just signed it. to kicker on Saturday.

Exactly. Literally hadn't practiced with the team and had to do it in warm. That's a tough assignment for the kid. I'm not going to kill that guy. It seems a little bit like that they should have avoided that in some way, but that's besides it. These are two bad teams, but it sounds like it might have been like a wildly fun game to watch.

And it's a shame for Terrell Pryor that they didn't win because I think his performance will be remembered differently than it should have been. That's something you would see like in the 1970s, a guy playing quarterback, running back, wide receiver and how much how many yards did he account for total 160 well actually if you if you put in passing it was it was about 200 yards and they you you know they I give I give Hugh Jackson credit for all the critique he takes for various aspects of his you know coaching he is creative and he can't it is a fun game to watch on game pass just for the quarterback thing going back and forth but prior if you take away that ridiculous taunting I call ridiculous taunting penalty last week this team could very easily with

made field goal be two and one right now. They are not a two and one team. They're much closer to a one and two or oh and three team. But I'm telling you, the effort is there. And that's what they were so boring on game pass for years because they seemed to float from the second quarter on. Tell us more about Kessler. It sounds like he was not a liability, really.

Well, I think he started the game in a very raw place. And he seemed to gain a little bit of comfort, but he's limited. There's a lot of limitations to his game. They lost the deep ball element entirely. I mean, the fact that he ended up 21 and 33 for 244. And mentioning prior, he did something with the 120 receiving yards, at least 30 passing years, at least 20 rushing yards.

No one's done that since Frank Gifford in 1959. Wow. The Browns get killed and in a lot of ways they deserve it. But they did a nice job with Thorel Pryor, recognizing that he could be a player and it looks like they've turned him into something. That's Hugh Jackson. Yeah, turn him into a potential star. Moving on, led by Russell Wilson and C.

woke. The Seahawks got healthy. A 37-18 win over the 49ers at the clink. Well, not quite healthy. Russell Wilson got banged up again. What's the latest, Mark? Well, there's probably developments on that even as we're doing the show because the reports were that he was going to get an MRI tonight, not the typical Monday morning. On his knee. It didn't look good. It did not look good. We watched it. It looked like he got, you know, he got massively rolled up on, the ankle bent, the knee bent. Grab sheet has weighed in. Please tell me what he said. El Sprane. So, I mean, he, listen, he never even left the field. It's, it's important to note that it's the opposite leg. It was the right ankle sprain that he suffered early in the year. So both legs are banged up for a mobile quarterback and it probably will affect, you know, he is, he is not healthy, but I will say that the bright spot coming out of this game. Everyone who wanted to doubt whether the Seattle's offense would continue to operate the way they did last year throughout the season. Forget it. Not last year. Last weekend's the Rams. They looked fine in this game. Yes, it's the Niners, but a hundred and yards for both Baldwin and Graham in the first half alone receiving and the woke bloke.

Our boy, Kristen Michael, look great. And you know what? We've all mentioned this a little bit. Chris has been on the Michael thing for a long, long time. But we wanted to see what he could do if you just got everyone out of the mix. They did that today, and he was as advertised. That 41-yard touchdown, we've used the phrase shot out of a cannon. That's exactly what he looked like.

There was a play you and I saw. I was watching this game in the background. on a one-yard loss where he's doing a spin, and it's one of the most impressive one-yard-loss runs you're ever going to see. Yeah. He's just, he's much more explosive than Thomas Rawls right now. Like, on a scale of 1 to 10, Michael's at a 9.5, and Rawls is at a 3 in explosive.

And this game lies box score-wise, because I think all of Seattle's weapons would have done much more if they hadn't. They didn't take their foot off the break, but there's just, you're not pushing, you're not trying to go all out against the Niners when you're up 27 to 7. And you got Trevin Boykin in. I mean, the 49ers' defense, after starting with a shutout, managed to give up 46 points last week,

despite turning the ball over three times. This time it was 37 points to the Seahawks. This is the least hopeful team, I think, in the league. You said sometimes in O and three teams a little closer to one and two. To me, they're closer to the worst team in the league, the 40s. Yes, they are. Because the defense does not look good, and Blaine Gabbard can't shoot straight.

But wouldn't you also say that part of that hopelessness? expected is comes from a front office that's always in turmoil and it's always backbiting absolutely well and looked at the two quarterbacks they had and said that'll do capernick starting by i was surprised capernick why not put capernick into this game when you're getting destroyed credit more credit should go to doug baldwin's way who's really becoming one of the top 10 overall wide receivers in the nbill wow i'm still worried about the seahawks they don't have a good offensive line and you get the feeling This is just going to be like one of those seasons where next spring, you'll see quotes from Russell Wilson saying never was healthy last year.

And he's still got, now you've got a good test next week at the Jets, who have a great defensive line. Right. We've got to see what Russell Wilson will be able to do when he's just not able to move like he likes to move, and he's not going to get faster after this latest. I will say Boykin looked fine running the offense, not that that's going to sustain itself. But it's like, it seems this year, it doesn't matter where you draft to the guy or where he came from.

He just goes in as a rookie and he does it. I mean, quarterbacks are being trained. It's not a hot-taker. You hear that Rams? No, I'm just saying. Put in your number one pick. Quarterbacks are being trained to play in the pros right away, not year five and six. Kearro said that Russell Wilson would start next week,

but that's one of those right after the game. That's before the MRI. You never know. You might end up seeing Trevin Boykin. That's the Xox game. Now look as tough. Put Jared Goff in the game. Look at all these guys.

He's not ready. He's different. He's different. He's different. Why is he different? Because he's coming from a college offense where every play. was sent him from the sideline. He's never running up.

Didn't we hear the same thing about Carl Wentz? We'll get to them, but they're two and one. You saw him play in the preseason. He wasn't, it has nothing to do with his physical talent. I'm just saying. His pre-snap and post-snap, he's just not ready to play. We should be so sure because everyone going out there is doing things. Look at his coaching versus the coaching on other team.

That's a fair point. That's a fair point. And I do think there's what you're seeing around the league and you see it in New England, especially. I think smart coaches are going and getting mid-round picks, using them on talented quarterback. and training them how to play the position versus signing a washed-up veteran and going the alleged safe route.

Go play the talented young player. Why not? Moving on. Here's a head scratcher. Rex Ryan circles the wagons facing possible extinction. Wounded Animal game after an ugly 0-2 star that included the dismissal of his OC. Ryan and the Bills whooped up on the Cardinals,

a 33-18 win that qualifies is the biggest. starting of week three, or is it, Greg? No, it was. I think it was. You're going to use the word stunner. It was a stunning upset. I was stunned. The Arizona Cardinals went three and out for their first five drives of the game.

They threw an interception for their last four drives of the game. That is an unbelievably bad performance from an offense that hasn't looked right this year. I think even if you look closely at this. Right. Fitzpatrick's like this, nothing. If you look closely at that Bucks game, you really and looked at the offense by the Cardinals. Even in that game, they didn't quite look as in sync in terms of consistently moving the ball on offense. They definitely had spurts, kind of like the Dolphins did. You got to give it to Rex.

You got to give it to their defense to step up and dominate this game. I don't want to hear about Greg Roman being fired and we knew what we were going to do on offense. And yes, they blew open some holes for LaShawn McCoy. They ran the ball pretty well. they threw for 89 yards on 25 dropbacks. They couldn't throw the ball at all. It was all the Bill's defense, and they deserve all the credit in the world for that

because they just took this game. That's a certified Rexpert. I knew they were going to win one of these two games. I don't know if they were going to get – I knew they weren't going to get both. But the Cardinals, Patriots, he was going to do something to save his butt from going 0 and 4 into week 5.

But I definitely did not see them laying the bomb on the Cardinals. Here's why I said that about the cards offense. a face west i made a face because malcolm michael floyd's not playing well john brown's not playing well i get partly about the players the offensive line even is a little up up and down they they started that game very very slow five or six drives without doing anything so that everything's not clicking even in a game like that and it showed up today well i made the face because everyone wants to put carson palmer struggles on whatever he did in the playoffs last year and i thought he played really well against the bucks including a drive late in the second quarter that was as well as you'll see

any quarterback play in a single draw. Yeah, he wasn't, like, he, he hasn't been the sole problem by any means with them starting one and two. Look, if they hit a field goal, they'd be two and one. But this was a deeply disappointing performance. It was 186 yards to seven early in the game. Wow. I mean, Carson Palmer historically has always thrown interceptions, and last year was

quite a remarkable kind of peak season for him. I don't think, I don't find it surprising at the whole offense. would come down a notch or two. And after week three, I'm not ready to say that it won't get back to higher levels. But it's a lot to ask them to go do that two seasons in a row. Here's the concern, if you're a Cardinals fan, you're a little nervous right now, that last season almost everything worked. Almost everything was perfect, and you couldn't get over the hump.

And now you're trying to match that season where everything seemed to go right. And so far, some of these things that worked in your favor are not. And Carson Palmer, you know, he never had a game like this during the regular season last year, did he? Maybe outside that Snobox game late in the year. but no and and the interceptions were in catch-up mode uh you know it the game really ended uh much earlier in that i think it was 30 to 7 late in the third quarter and that was pretty much pretty much all she wrote after a big defensive play by the bills but look they've got their

plan this was rex's dream game 32 rushes 2008 yards lashon mccoy ran hard they they had some holes from tyrod taylor made big plays with his legs especially a 49 yarder early in the game. I mean, they won a game without Sammy Watkins, Cordy Glenn, and who am I forgetting, was also out for this game. Ronald Darby. Those are three of the best... And like half the rookie class. Right, three of their very best players. And these are guys that were even there for the Jets game. All right. Are not in the game, and they dominate the Cardinals. Then let me ask you a question, because I think the one thing that, and I know you think I always like to pick on Rex.

I'm actually not going to pick on Rex, but over his Buffalo tenure, the team has been highly undisciplined, which is on him. I don't care where the offense coordinator is it's been an issue with penalties on both sides of the ball. After this game, because the bills are frisky at home no matter what happens, which is, which is true, do you have any higher trust factor in the bills turning this season around, or is this a kind of game we'll look back on and say, hmm, that was weird. Yeah, I don't know if I believe that they're going to put it all together, but I thought there

would be a circle the wagons game, and Rex would have... The problem is he's always circling the wagons. Well, that's part of this problem. You never know. You could get this Bill's team in any given week. I don't have much confidence that you're going to get it week after. I don't think the consistency will put there. Anecdotally, you can say, oh, I knew Rex would have his team show up one of these two games.

But there's going to be stinkers along the way where you think you have Rex figured out too. You can't win without a passing game. And I think they have shown over three games they can't throw right now. And Rex is going to be one of the best defensive coordinators in the league next year, I believe. Because of games like this, he's got Zach Brown, Corey White, Lorenzo, Alex. or Aaron Williams, Preston Brown, Corrigan, like all these guys that are not the premier guys kind of going out there flying around and dominating the game against the Cardinals.

And Rex, feeling good after the game was asked about the Patriots, their next matchup. He had this to say about their quarterback situation. Look, I can sit back and say, I don't care who plays quarterback because I know Brady ain't. I said, I don't care who plays quarterback. Steve Grogan play quarterback. Rex, what went into the decision? If Pellichick's playing quarterback, we're coming after him.

Yeah, I promise you that. I'm sorry. he is highly tedious. How about this strategy? So obsessed with the Patriots. He's so obsessed with the Patriots. He's so obsessed with the Patriots. And Belchick specifically.

It's a little single white female. Let's move on, gentlemen, and talk about the Oakland Raiders versus the Tennessee Titans. Yes, we described that as a team of ATL loser goes home match. Derek Carr threw for 249 yards in a score. And Marcus Marriota and the Titans offense remained stuck in mud, a 1710. Raiders win over the Titans. Wes, is it time to make that phone call to break up with them? Yeah, pull the plug.

I mean, pull the plug on the Titans. And if there's one case that you can stack against them and say, this is why, their passing attack is contested passes of eight yards or less. Those passes aren't supposed to be contested. They're supposed to be easy. That's what they throw short of the sticks and it's up for grabs. Like the receivers aren't getting open. There's no creativity.

Marcus Mario's decision-making is regressed. The running game, there were signs of life. Henry and Murray both looked good. But you're talking about a defense allowing over 500 yards a game, and the Titans can't pass on them until they open up the offense and the two-minute drill at the end of the game. Why not? Yeah, why aren't they playing hurry up earlier?

That's not their vision for what they want to do. I mean, it's a fair question, but that's not their vision. Once that, I saw three catches for 28 yards by the Titans receivers, wide receivers, entering the fourth quarter. Oh, my God. Against the Raiders, against those defensive backs. I don't know how I'm suddenly in the position of defending the Titans. Sorry, I cannot speak tonight.

Have a terrible cough. But, I mean, I... Like the people on Periscope got to see you, hit the button. Well, I watched the Periscope thing last week on these hideous interludes of me coughing that are not caught because we have a cough button for the audio version, but they're absolutely a play. on the Periscope crowd, and I apologize.

But honestly, this plan and what they're trying to do, yeah, they're not there yet. That I get. They're not the team of ATL right now. But are you throwing, do you think the whole thing just needs to be junked? Get rid of malarkey. Why? Why are we saying that after three weeks?

I get tweets all day. Is Marcus Mariotta terrible? Has they regressed? Is he just not a good quarterback? I think Marcus Mariotta could be an outstanding quarterback with a better offensive mind controlling his career. And I hope Josh McDaniels lands in Nashville so we can see. To Mark's point, they should be, they're an O and three team in my mind, and they've managed the schedule enough to be one and two.

We'll see how this AFC South plays out, but all of the offseason excitement about this division has not panned out early. It wouldn't shock me if the Titans end up getting interesting later, but they're right now. But they're tough to watch now. I'm just saying, we've given the Jaguars and we're all kicking ourselves for it maybe a long leash. And the Titans, this identity and regime they're under, they're months into it. They're also playing with a formula where they're constantly asked to play catch-up when they want to run the ball, and that's all they want to do is run the ball. They lack a downfield element, right?

That is so desperately do they lack it. They'd never go down the... Jason Morrow. Jets Washout was their leading receivers. That's why every catch is contested because defenses know that they don't have to play more than 15 yards back. I mean, Marriott has been a little lost for three games. He has been.

Do the Raiders get any credit for this? I mean, they don't have a good. good defense. I don't want to give them credit because the Titans are inept in the passing game. How did Derek Carl look there? Raiders have done a nice job managing the schedule here with two wins, two wins. I will say they gave up 10 points though. I mean, I know Tennessee has problems, but this would be qualified for the defense. A very chinty offensive pass interference called negated the game tying touchdown from Anj Johnson. And then the next play, I think it was Harry Douglas clearly got interfered with. The guy held his arm down so he couldn't jump and there was no

whatsoever. This could easily have been a tie game or a Titans win if the referee was a little bit more fair in that end of game situation. Derek Carr deserves credit. He is incredibly elusive in the pocket and hard to sack. He's been sacked, I think, twice all year. He was sacked once today. There was one really cool play where he escaped pressure, ran around for a while and found Michael Crabtree. And Amari Cooper, he's one of the most fun players to watch in the league. And I like, I like Crabtree. Crabtree has wins them a game every once in a while and just reading some of the reports from this game.

It sounds like this is one of those games. He seems like their number one red zone target too. He seems to really like Crabtree in short spaces near the end. Yeah, I think he likes Crabtree on contested catches. A reminder that Tuesday we will, you know, take a look, perhaps choose a team of ATL or perhaps not choose a team, but that's all going to come to ahead this week as we try to sort out what's going on. I already know the answer to that, but we can let that drama unfold as you wish.

One, if you want to... I don't know the answer. Good tease, Mark. I like that. One thing to look for with the Raiders defense, two rookies entered the starting lineup. Carl Joseph and Corey James. Carl Joseph at Strong Safety, Corey Jones. Corey James and Middle Linebacker, and they had the two highest tackle totals on the team.

There you go. Moving on. Wounded Animal Game, guys. Baltimore Ravens. Well, there's a lot of them. Week two is the big wounded animal game. Why don't we point out healthy animal game? Sounds like the Jaguars just whimpered.

Do you want a healthy animal? I mean, yeah, give me a healthy animal. The Ravens. There's just animals just dragged around the field all over the place. Dan, animal ombudsman. A bunch of carcasses. The Ravens entered Sunday's game at Jacksonville at 2-0, and they needed to get by the Jaguars who were desperate at 0-2

and who they lean on. You know, just a guy, just a humble kicker named Justin Tucker who hit four field goals, including a 54-yarder, to put the Ravens ahead in 1917. The Jaguars had one last chance with the maddening Blake Bortles at the controls, but their desperation drive at the end ended like this. Bortles takes the snap, Pops once, throws down the seam,

and it is intercepted. Zach Orr has it at the 40. He slides down, and the Hayes in the barn. 16 seconds left, and the Ravens fans are, Celebrating in Jacksonville. It's the classic Baltimore phrase, Hayes in the Barn. WBAL. Jerry Sandusky with the call there.

So, not that Jerry Sandusky. So, like, the Ravens are now 3-0, and the Jaguars could not find a way the Jaguars were talked up are, to me, dead at O-N-3. I think if you look at the history, how O-N-3 teams shake out, they're in deep, deep trouble now. And my big takeaway from the game, another slow start for Blake Bortles, who could not. not move the offense at all early on, did get it going a little bit in the middle portion of the game. Two touchdowns to Allen Robinson, where Bordles looked a lot better. But at the end of the game, again, you know, they were unable to take advantage of some good field position. And then after the Tucker field goal, they had an opportunity. And Bortles took a terrible, terrible sack that

when he could have easily thrown the ball away and saved their last time out and given them a shot, He took a big sap for a big loss and lost their timeout, and then the interception soon followed. So Bortles continues to be a work in progress. He's not close to a finished product at this point. At least the Jaguars have to hope. But for a team with this much, Greg Talon on both sides of the ball, they're 0 and 3 and looking again at irrelevance by Halloween.

And they head to London this week to play the Colts in a game that has not been kind to coaches leaving London. Wait, what are you saying? I'm not saying anything. Hot butt. Does this win or go home? I hope not. I don't see the Jaguars as that type of thing.

What are you Gus? I don't see that happening. I don't. I'm not a route for guys to get fired after four weeks. I don't think it helps in particular, especially, all right, let's look. This is a team that should be good on offense. I know they spent a lot of money on defense, but you kind of figured this is a young offensive team.

18 carries for 31 yards between Yeldon and Ivory, and then in the passing game, not a single catch over 20. 20 yards. This is supposed to be a big playoff, and so that's two straight weeks where the Jaguars' offense no-showed. That is what stood out for me because what we liked about Jacksonville's attack last season and also in the preseason, especially when Chris Ivory was healthy, the running game number one set up, made you have to respect the run game, and then suddenly these big plays are happening downfield with Hernes and Robinson. It's going away, and Chris Ivory obviously is not, whatever was going on with Chris Ivory.

Did he look healthy, Dan, today? How do you come out of the game with 12 carries for 14 yards after Cleveland, a team that everyone considers a talent moribund franchise lash them last week? They destroyed them on the ground. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I would have to say I didn't watch him all that closely, but the carries that I do recall, especially his first few carries when they were trying to get him involved, he couldn't move the ball.

So, yeah, I mean, I don't know where Ivory is at physically. We still don't even know what was wrong. of him so it's kind of a hard thing to figure and what a job by the ravens who haven't you now that's what three straight weeks they've been in one score games they've found a way to win and you know it's kind of the ravens are feeling things when now after the game steve smith goes eight for eighty seven and he's ripping jalen ramsie saying uh jaylon ramsie said he didn't respect him as a man and yeah count down jel niz steve smix going on social media you know this is ravency Well, is it necessary for Steve Smith to say that either?

It's not just calm down, Jaylon Ramsey. Come on, Steve Smith. I've got cleats with stronger thread than you. That's, I mean, come over. Jalen Ramsey likes to toot his own horn a little bit. Yes, he does. He was doing that against Aaron Rogers, too. Steve Smith can add him to Fred Smoot, who he pulled the rowboat touchdown dance on.

Akeeb Taleb, ice up son, Janoris Jenkins, the you're no primetime dance. And now Jalen Ramsey, I've got more thread in my cleats than you got. Mark, I feel like you would like that. respect your elders. I do respect my elders. You've been wanting Dan and I to do that with you for a while. Well, sometimes you just recognize that it's a lost cause. Well, you know, so, yeah, a bad loss for the Jags.

And what can I say? The very reason I thought the Ravens would be better this year is because healthy flacco who makes plays almost elite, I think. You could even argue he's elite. I don't want to go down that road right now. in this game. Yeah, not perfect, but he also had a stretch

where he had 21 straight completions. I think the elite Flacco discussion is for other shows. Yeah, that probably is. But he had 21 straight completions, which was a Baltimore record, and then had number 22 dropped one in the bucket for Mike Wallace for a touchdown

that went right through his hands. So maybe the numbers are a little misleading as well. But between having Joe Flacco, a great coaching staff, and a great kicker in Justin Tucker, they're going to win games. They're going to win close games Tucker seems to win more games than any kicker in the league.

Well, and after he hit this one, he's just walking around the field like this and his arms out. I mean, the guy's, you know, he's loving it. If a game, though, is led by the kicking star, it's always going to be at the back end of the show. Yeah, that's just the way it works. Justin Tucker is, I tweeted this out. He's the NFL kicker version of Earn McCracken from Kingpin. Very high on himself. Doesn't care if other people don't like him because he knows he's the best.

I like that. Finally, the Los Angeles Rams, break out the Rams and get that extension sign. Fisher signed the blanket extension quick yeah case keenam and Todd Gurley each had two touchdowns and the LA Rams broke out of their season long offensive slump a 37 to 32 road win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Greg number one what's going on with your team of ATL nominee and number two 37 points for the Rams huh yeah I'm not giving up wrong team to play that song for you're not giving up no no

I don't care. I'm going to root for them. I think they're going to be good in the long run. They still have things that I'm excited about. But their defense was a problem. Their game management was a problem. They were the better team in this game, 470 yards of offense.

Whoa! They lost eight points to extra points and then missed two-point conversions and missed field goals because Aguio's killing them. And then the key play of the game, really the only offense that the Rams had in the last 25 minutes, was a sack fumble that bounced up and they returned it 75 yards with Ethan Westbrook's a hard knocks favorite his even probably the play of his career and they win the game

I'm rooting for Roberto Aguio yeah but second round pick but this is why you don't draft the kicker in the second round because now you might have to carry an extra kicker on your roster because you can't trust the one you just invested so heavily in that's true that's a tough A tough spot. That is a very tough spot. The missed extra point and the field goals, they were chasing that throughout the game. I also think Dirk Cotters made some very curious decisions the last two weeks, and his lack of timeout call at the end of this game was absolutely insane. They ended up running, the clock ended with the bucks in the red zone, still with two timeouts

in their pocket, and they burned 20 seconds on just a few plays before that when Charles Sims didn't go out of bounds. It was absolutely crazy. But do give some credit to the Rams. The first place Rams. They're in the first place. Well, how about so. And we talked about Gurley being so hamstrung in that offense with the way they were set up over the first two weeks. I'm looking at it. I see 85 yards, 3.1 average. I don't know. I mean, are we, is there more hope here? Had a good second half. He was the average was much lower than that in the first half. And they did run the ball a little bit in the second half ran it pretty well. This was, you know, a buck's team without Robert Ayers, without Doug Martin. Gurley looked better. He looked a little

better. You were very, you were sending praise toward Robert Quinn during the game. Well, I think Robert Quinn makes this defense totally different because Ogletree is playing well. He's always in the mix of getting, you know, penalties for playing too aggressively. But Robert Quinn, suddenly you have not just Aaron Donald, the best defensive tackler, one of them in the league. Now you have a a guy in Robert Quinn, who's a defensive player of the year, type of player, and he looks really good the last couple of games. He made the key couple plays in this game to win it. By the way, Ethan West Brooks is the...

That's his official sound drop. Anytime he comes up on this podcast. He is the guy from Hard Knocks that had that tattoo on his face in that insane drill instructor, defensive line coach, wotted up a ball, paper, and threw it in his face at a fit of rage at one point. In the most forgettable season of Hard Knocks in human history. Little trivia on Ethan Westbrook's. Also the guy, when Michael Sam was drafted,

they were like, I don't think we can keep Sam on the roster. We're going to cut him because this guy, Ethan Westbrook, beat him out. Wow. What a rich history. I mean, you know, my one thing, Greg, because I think you're conceit that their offense here and there, and you didn't have Doug Martin on the field today, that their offense is interesting to watch.

I'll give you that. My problem is they've given up 77 points in two weeks, and you just went on a three-minute diatribe about massive coaching decision blunders. Those things hopefully can be overcome. Well, you've got a lot of sandwiches tied to this. In what you call the most exciting division of football. So there's a lot to wade through here.

405 yards for the Winston. Spoiler alert, the Buccaneers will not be the team of ATL. They never had a chance. For those of you alive two weeks ago listening to this, that's still a spoiler. The team of Greg T.L. T.H.A.L. Got a lot of splintering here.

Total mutiny. Anyway, that's it. it for the games we move on now to Sunday night football. Oh, Sunday night. Yes, you heard Carrie. That means it's time to talk about the primetime game played in front of Al, Chris, and the world. The Dallas Cowboys in Jerr World haven't won there since week one of the 2015. Oh, Sunday night.

Let's slow down on her. Yeah, is it me or is Carrie kind of like, oh, Sunday night? You know, she doesn't sound that excited for this game. She knew the bears were involved. I mean, how the bears, we're talking about the bears in a prime time game for the second time in six days or five days. Marron, come on, get it together, society. Anyway, the bears were no match for the Dallas Cowboys

who looked like the better team, played like the better team. And in the end, the final score told us the Cowboys were the better team. 31 to 17. Put it in the books. The Cowboys win. They moved to two and one. The Bears, in a wounded animal game, fall to 0 and 3. You know what that means, Mark.

Oh, and three? What does it mean? Next week, starving dog game. Your anti-take-take-on animals and pets in general. I don't understand it. Why are you reading into it like I'm against animals? Here's a thing, though. I would rather be a starving dog than being a wounded animal.

Typical Patriots fan-staffiric. Is it better to be O and 3 than O and 2? It's the rib cage is showing. It's a very sad thing once you become the, starving dog. But right now, let's talk about the Dallas Cowboys, who got a big game out of Ezekiel Elliott, who looked every bit like the running back that they drafted so high. This spring, he ran the ball 30 times or 140 yards, didn't find the end zone, but still, that is what they were looking for, added two catches for 20 yards. So 160 yards in offense from

Elliott. Dak Prescott, again, looked tremendous, 19 to 24, 248, and his first career touchdown that went to yes a perfect night for the dallas cowboys des brian who overcame an early scare in the first quarter with a knee issue and uh had a presence in this game including his first touchdown of the season so the cowboys are now two and one which puts them one game behind the philadelphia eagles and chris wessling uh forget about the bears boring the cowboys what did you see today did you like what you saw i liked what i saw and i like we should have had the periscope running when it's Ezekiel Elliott hurtled the defender and caused Mark Sessler to raise his level of interest in the game

by about 300% yelling profanities at the screen in our studio. I thought it was this. You know, Elliot over the first two weeks, been a little up and down. The whole offense has been a little up and down, but they've had their moments. Elliot tonight, in what great contrast to Chicago's rushing game and their complete low wadage, lack of exciting running backs. Elliot performed.

This game was about him, and they smothered the bears tonight. And to me, it showed that the Cowboys are a good enough team that they take care of business. They beat a team that they should beat, which is, I don't think we should take that for granted when it comes to this Cowboys team who doesn't really have a defense who has a fourth-round rookie starting at quarterback.

Each and every week, Dak Prescott looks like a veteran quarterback. In the last two games alone, their eight scoring drives all went for over 72 yards. So this is a team that's dictating, especially in the first quarter. He's the anti-Blake Bordals and the Cowboys are the anti- Jaguars. When the game starts, they do what they want to do for a quarter and they set the tempo. And what a relief it must be for Jerry Jones, for Jason Garrett, for every cowboy fan watching, for Tony Roman to get hurt and then know that the season's not over. to know that you're still in capable hands with Dak Prescott who looks so good.

Does not look anything like a late round quarterback, a guy that can carry this team or help carry this team all the way until Tony Romo gets back. And if Tony Romo is not right or if he goes down again, they're okay. It's interesting. Greg pointed out that Dak Prescott's and Carson Wentz's passing stats are almost identical. Wentz has the five touchdowns. Prescott has two rushing touchdowns to go with his one score. but otherwise their numbers look great.

I think Cowboys fans have to be thrilled with the guy they ended up drafting when they couldn't get Paxton Lynch and Connor Shaw. They get the 49ers next week, and that's a game that you want to win if you're the Cowboys. And then suddenly you're 3 and 1. The schedule gets a little harder after that, but when you're thinking about Prescott and Romo, it's like you want to get to 5 and 5 or 6 in 4,

and it's not like this offense looks not much worse than you would have expected it to be on a Romo. It's a little more limited. And they should have some defensive players coming back after week four, too. Well, right. This was where they wanted to get to without being in sort of a disaster zone. And it's been the opposite. There's a ton of hope in Dallas. You've got what could be, you know, the makings of your new triplets that, you know, Cowboys fans still look back to the 90s and wonder when they'll ever win a Super Bowl again, be a regular playoff type team. And the idea that what happened last year with Romo out, it's not just you have someone to take you to Romo's return.

We don't know what's going to happen with Romo. And enough hot takes with that. But you've got a quarterback for the long term to continue to grow behind Romo if you want to bring him back for a couple more years. Your triplets are Dak Prescott, Ezekiel Elliott, and Cole Beasley? No, I would say they're obviously Des Bryant. Oh, Des Brian's out playing Des Bryant in the first three games. That is one fascinating part of this offense because there continues to be a ton of players targeted.

And Dez is not the guy coming out, you know, stat line-wise with the numbers each week. And NFL schedule makers come back. back to us please i mean they're back in prime time the bears are back in prime time week seven and eight they are the worst team in the league and they are less watchable than some of the other bad teams like say the browns who i think are entertaining or even the 49ers who are so crazy that you can watch them the bears are the worst the browns are the first team you could think of i mean how about an actual like real contender it's not no i'm just saying i'm going into the season among bad teams they're even particularly unwatchew my point is

is going into the season. The Bears, there was no excitement around this team anyway. I don't understand how they got these. I don't know what they were thinking. Weird. Back in, you know, the early spring when they're creating these schedules, that Chicago made sense for America and football fans as four primetime games. Because you go back to anything under John Fox.

In eight weeks. Chicago was laying unwatchable eggs last year. So what happened between then and now that suggests them as prime time? This is our last podcast, by you would think that. Pressions would be a quality you would want and a schedule maker. Yes, that they need to be. It's prescience, Wes. Oh, okay. Went out on a low note.

Precant. It's, I am not watching those games. I don't know if I'm assigned to any task. The task will not get done. Join me in walking down Washington Boulevard and straight into the Pacific Ocean. I'm with you. That's it. For all the Sunday games, we will be back on Tuesday,

with another round of podcast. Good, good show, guys. Everybody remember, you could still check us out on Periscope. If you follow, there's like a link that we'll send out from the around the NFL account. You could check it out and going forward next week. Every week, right around, I would say, you know, the second quarter sometime of the Sunday night game in that realm. We begin our recording of the Sunday night podcast. So check in on Periscope.

And, of course, over on the iTunes channel. Now let's keep that going on and leave comments, leave five stars. That's how we take down the shadowy league figures. Leave three stars. We need this to be a revolution. No, no, no, Mark. Oh, five. Five.

You know, first you're taking down the team of ATL. I'm just saying I trust that most would leave five stars, but be honest, if it's not your thing. No, here's the problem. Now people are going to, as a bit, leave three stars. Like Mark told me to do this. Don't do a bit. Keep it up. Yeah, five.

We need a five. Yeah, they might take our sponsor. her away. Oh, we're going to have news on that. Good tease, Wes. All right. We will be back on Tuesday. Thank you for listening.

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