NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2017 Week 3 Recap

Episode Date: September 25, 2017

A room filled with heroes Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler & Gregg Rosenthal,– recap the week 3 games including the Jacksonville Jaguars huge win in London, Green Bay’s overtime comeback, and the Jets pulling their first win. The heroes also get you up to date with all things around the NFL concluding Week 3.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Gentlemen, this is the Week 3 flagship edition of the podcast. Are you excited? Of course we're excited. What other emotion would be, would be, you know, permissible at this point. Permissible? That's fair. Must be excited about pro football at all time. I mean, it was.

It was a very memorable day, not just because of, you know, the off-the-field stuff, which we're going to talk about soon. But this was by far the best day of football all season. There were great games. Not much to compare to, but it absolutely was twice as good as any other week so far. The Thursday night game was great. And then at the end of the early games, I was standing up at my desk with three TVs around me, all games hanging in the balance.

A lot of fun. This was a good week. I would say literally the five best games of the year were this week. Rams 49ers, the Falcons Lions, Lions, Giants Eagles was a lot of fun, Patriots Texans, and desperately need it. And it's interesting that this great week of action finally hit. And this morning before kickoff, the NFL was the biggest story in the country, but it had nothing to do with the games that were going to be played.

It was about the president, Donald Trump. And let's hit this before we get into the games because it is such a massive story that the president of the United States is essentially taking on the NFL. And at a rally in Huntsville, Alabama on Friday night, Trump urged team owners to cut players who kneel during the National Anthem actually using, which I would say this would go down in infamy for Trump, but there's so many of these things, you lose track what actually is going to stick. But he said, get that son of a bit off the field in reference to players that didn't kneel.

He then doubled down on these comments with several tweets, again saying that, you know, basically to boycott the NFL. that will get these guys to respect the flag in America and so on and so forth. And that led, of course, now to players reacting in a very emotional way, and in a way that shows it almost kind of brought the league itself closer, people rallying against what Trump had to say. And the day started in London, of course. Shod Khan down on the field with his players, various players from the Jaguars and Ravens,

kneeling for the anthem. We saw owners across the league. on the field locking arms. Think how far this has come now. Now owners are down on the field doing it. And then the Seahawks and Titans, Greg, a perfect example. Neither team either even came out for the National Anthem with the Seahawks releasing a stern statement on the situation.

It is a huge, huge national story. It's unprecedented times. I mean, before we even got to Sunday, Roger Goodell, the commissioner, you know, released a statement talking about Trump's words that was quickly followed. by many team's owners releasing statements some stronger than others. And, you know, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, where there was 11 players on the field for the Patriots who kneeled today.

He released a strong statement about being deeply disappointed. And Trump was asked about those comments from Kraft today at a press briefing. We have Chris Collinsworth leading off Sunday night football asking the president to apologize to these players. We've been in unprecedented times in this country for a while now. and it's now come even stronger into football. But it's been here the whole time. We just haven't talked about it.

Been here the whole time. And, you know, I think no matter who you are, if you're in a position of power and you're going to make essentially a blanket statement about everyone who plays, coaches, owns, and is part of an NFL team, you need to expect a pretty violent reaction. And that's exactly what happened, I think.

You have to put nuance with this situation. I don't like when I hear that if you kneel or if you don't come out of the locker room for the anthem that you're obviously anti-military. It is much more about pro-freedom of speech and pro-rights of people that don't feel and they support and they are with other people that don't feel those rights are given to them in this country. I think everybody is entitled to their opinion on it. I thought, again, it was a reckless use of power by the president. And that's just my personal opinion.

Other people can think otherwise. But to make a statement like that, I mean, everyone has an opinion about this. This is why Colin Kaepernick still doesn't have a job. And now the story has taken, gone to the next level. And you don't know where this is going because now the president of the United States is involved. Oh, my goodness. Well, I really thought a lot about Kaepernick this weekend and last night and wondered what he was thinking, watching all of this.

And it gets back a little bit to how effective I think he ultimately has been and was. was from the moment it started and it's playing out even more. You know, today Donald Trump said this has nothing to do with race. That was his quote. And it's always awkward three white guys talking about race. But this was Colin Kaepernick standing up against racial oppression, against racial inequities, which have really defined, you know, much of what's wrong with this country for a long time. And it's amazing to think now a year later, this is only grown to the point.

where now the president is addressing it on a weekend where there's a lot else going on in this country. He is tweeting about the NFL and NBA players, too, more than anything else. And it almost makes you feel that Colin Kaepernick's words have even more weight to them now because everything that he was standing up for and Michael Bennett and lots of other players are standing up for and they protested today. That's being played out. Like they are being proven right. Right. And I don't, what bothers me is when you take the whole group of players in the NFL and try to vilify those who protest for very different reasons in some cases. These guys have one day off and it's Tuesday. And it's not every player in the league, but there are at least 15 to 20 guys every Tuesday for their team that are out in the community doing more than most people that watch football will do over the course of 20 years for the people, for the towns they live in, the people in that town that are not doing so well. And so I, Kaepernick is one of the,

those people too. And people glance right past that issue that he is, has done a lot of philanthropy and so have many other NFL players. It's going to be a weekend in the NFL that I think will be remembered. It's one of those moments and there's been more of those lately, but for the NFL's purposes, a moment where you know 10, 20 years from now, we're going to remember this Sunday. Yeah, it's a major situation in this country and the NFL is right in the middle of it. All right. So we'll track that story as it continues to develop throughout the week. and perhaps months. All right, let's now get into

week three of the NFL, all the events of Sunday, and we'll start, why not, on the throne of ease. Here's the shotgun snap to Brady, who pumps lobs, looking deep down the far left side, open target, end zone touchdown.

Brandon Cooks, Brady, on his backside after heaving to the left corner of the end zone, and Cooks carous it for a second score of the game. How do they do it, John? How do they do it? They got the greatest quarterback that's ever lived. I'll go on record with saying that.

What boys, what confidence. What a remarkable throw against this dynamic pass rush. And Brandon Cooks has become the receiver the Patriots traded to get them for. How has he changed this team? All right. At a time where, yeah, freedom of speech and freedom of expression has never been more important in this country. You have that dude, St. Tom Brady's the best.

Well, he is. Let's face it. But Tom Brady threw five touchdown passes, including that 25-yard hookup with Brandon Cook's 23 seconds to play. The Patriots rallied to beat the Houston, Texas, 3633 in Foxborough in a game that is not the script. Any of us thought the game would follow, but it does end how we all expected with the Patriots winning once more. Greg, once again, we saw an opponent fail repeatedly to close out the Patriots. And let's be honest, a basic execution. Recover a fumble, hold on to an interception, cover.

properly on that scoring play with your safety and your cornerback. And you know what? You don't do those things against the Pats. Tom Brady's going to kill you and he did it again. It's crazy. He just keeps adding scenarios that normally would be the most memorable comeback in anyone's career, but Brady's done it so many different ways. But just think about how their offense finished out the game.

Third and 18 on the Patriots 48-yard line with 54 seconds left. Two plays later, they're in the end zone. I mean, that just doesn't happen against a great defense. Maybe that's overstating it. They're missing some cornerbacks right now. But the pass rush was all over, Tom Brady. Three strip sacks, five sacks. He's going to wake up really sore after this game.

No, he'll be fine. Well, I know he's got, you know, he's got the diet. But he's going to wake up. He's going to wake up so he doesn't get sunburn. And he comes up with it. And the Patriots fans are so spoiled. It's ridiculous. Well, from the flip side, I would say that if you're a Texans fan,

in multiple dimensions, they probably lost this game by 25 points. In this one, 3633, they really, I think, played a pretty good game. Or to Sean Watson, what a sign of, what an encouraging development from that Thursday night game against the Bengals? Yeah. Some really good throws in this game. I mean, we all talked about it. The numbers backed up the idea of a rookie going into New England and getting completely

butchered and what all he did was going there and show no fear just like is shaky as he was at times even in the win against Cincinnati he never showed any fear I didn't think and he got more confidence the game went along so you're feeling good about where he is and his development early on and yeah that that's the positive takeaway but the other side of it is you got to close out the game and we'll see this will come up repeatedly this week and a lot of games is when you have a chance to put a team away in the NFL and these games when you're record winning eight, nine, ten games will define your season. Houston Texans got to win this game.

Well, and it's a complete team victory for the Patriots because even though they gave up all those points, you know, some of that was on Jadavian Clownies, you know, return. Some of it is on situations where the Patriots' offense put the defense in bad scenarios. And the Houston Texans have a second and three with 241 to go. You pick up a first down. The game is over. Patriots give up two yards. It's third and one.

They bring in a goal line offense, goal line defense. Bill O'Brien does not choose to do a play action or do anything but run the ball up the middle, the Patriots stuff it, and then it's Gronk and Brady picking up third downs. You know this loss, as they all do, Greg, but this loss annoyed me downstairs. And a lot of the thing is that I take nothing away from the Patriots, but I have to say whether you're talking their last two Super Bowl wins, this game, I'm sure you could, there are a couple other examples. A little bit of luck involved here.

These teams. Well, the strip sack, especially they strip sack Tom Brady. There is no clutchness factor of the Patriots center picking up that sack on the last drive. The game's over at that point. Some of these victories, it's almost like Kismet and give the Patriots credit, but these teams should be winning these games. Win a ball game when you got a stop like that. It's total consistency.

Tom Brady has been with his team. You can change the players around him, but Brady has been in New England in this situation a million times. Every time Houston rolls in, they got a different quarterback starting from scratch. You need to get to Sean Watson in his third, fourth, fifth, sixth start against the Patriot. But make a play is what I'm saying. Just make a play to close out a game. Any of these teams, these are not like miracle plays they need to make. It's converting a first down or getting off the field on third and 18.

It just never seemed to happen. I mean, the catches by Amandola and Cooks were pretty incredible. They were great. And one last thing, teams are daring Tom Brady to throw down the field in the last two weeks. He has filleted the two offense. He had nine passes today that traveled 15. 15 yards or more. He has been a vertical receiver, and it's working.

It's a long, we are a long way off from that Thursday against Kansas City. Brady, once again, is up there in the MVP. One last thing, though, Dan, if you want encouragement, if you're looking for New England to implode at some point, I still am concerned about their defense. Oh, yeah, sure. I agree. Brady took a beating, so.

They gave up 400 yards. I don't know if you should be celebrating that. Why not? Maybe you should. I don't know. This is a team that's figuring things out. They're winning along the way, but they just gave a 400 yards to a rookie. quarterback yeah no there are some things to hang my hat on but again another annoying day let's move

on mariotta gives it to murray running to the left he's got room to the 30 35 40 45 50 45 40 he cuts back to the middle 35 30 25 30 25 20 15 10 5 and so touchdown titans lightning strikes like it mike keith wgfx DeMarco Murray's long touchdown acted as a cherry on top for the Tennessee Titans, who scored 21 straight points against the Seahawks en route to a 33, 27 win in Nashville. Marcus Marriota threw for 225 yards and two touchdowns. And Mark, the Seahawks once again looked lethargic against an upper-tier opponent. The Titans looked like they were for real.

Very weird game. It opened with 10 combined three in outs for these two teams in the first half. And it looked like it was going to be another one of the, these 12 to 9 type operations where by the end you have fellow co-workers propping you up in your chair to stay awake. And then the second half happened, and it completely altered. It changed. DeMarco Murray after the break, very explosive.

Derek Henry finally got involved at the end. You know, everyone thought Derek Henry was going to lead the way here. And I was surprised to see Murray get the workload he did, but we just heard the call. He paid off there. I thought Marcus Marriota played the best game of the season and one of his best games ever. And you can look at Russell Wilson's box score, career high 373 yards. Almost all of that came in the end first half and the entire second half. When Russell Wilson is running around for his life, they have no foundational ground game.

And these yards, yes, you threw a lot of big chunk gains and they made big plays to the air. Doug Baldwin, who left with a groin strain, and we're waiting for more on that, was absolutely heroic tonight. But if I'm a Seahawks fan, I look at this effort and I'm concerned about this often. because Russell Wilson shouldn't have had to do what he did with the way that we know Seattle's attack. And suddenly you have to think there's leaks springing up because the defense had a very lackluster game and that's what we don't expect to see out of Seattle.

On 32 dropbacks for Marcus Mariota, pro football focus has two pressures. Not just sacks. There's no QB hits, no sacks. I think they might have served up a Golston, which for new listeners is a no sack, no QB hit performance by an. entire team named after one of Dan's favorite players of all time.

That's a credit to the Titans offensive line and a bad sign that the Seahawks got pushed around. Yeah, I mean, I feel like Tennessee's kind of approach, no line in general, has not been quite as impressive as they were at their heights last year, but they wound up with 196 rushing yards and that was legit. They were really, Seattle looked tired out by the end. Seattle gave up that after giving up 159 on the ground last year. So you, last week.

So you get Sheldon Richardson in there, and yet nothing seems to be as dominant in this front seven. That's when, if you're Seahawks fan, you're troubled because this game, they started slow, like Mark said. Then they score back-to-back touchdowns. There are 14-9 with 10 minutes to play in the third quarter, and Seahawks teams of old, maybe they get a defensive score, and they kick a couple field goals, and they're on their way to a 2417 win or something. But in this case, they give up then three straight touchdowns, and it's like, like, whoa, what happened to this special defense making one last run together? Sheldon Richardson now on the line.

What happened to all of that? And it just seems like the team is suffering from a little bit of a crisis and confidence, perhaps. It doesn't have any mojo. And you're seeing it on the field against a good Titans team. And I'll say it. Titans. Oh, yeah, they proved it. Yeah.

I did it. Listen, it wasn't even a high bar. It's like Seattle's a struggling NFC power. But, you know, they did a nice job. That's a high bar beating Seattle. They did a nice job in Seattle. Well, the look on Mike Malarkey's face at the end when he realized it was finally going in his favor, I think he thought this was a big opponent to beat.

One last thing, Richard Sherman had three penalties on one play in this thing. There was some crazy stuff going on. There was another play where a fight broke out after he hit Marcus Marriota with clear helmet-to-helmet, big scuffle. I was trying to get booted there. Well, I thought he came very close, but it was not. That's not actually a personal foul. And how can you get three penalties on one play? He got called for defensive pass interference.

he got called the pass was intercepted and then he got called for offensive holding for holding while cam chancel was trying to make a run back and then he ripped his helmet off and was yelling at the refs and they threw the flag for unsports from like conduct the opposite of a hat trick if you're a seahawks fan what a hat trick it was let's move on with another great nfc game looks going to throw and it's caught it is a touchdown for golden tape and it was the slant arts from the left they're again After reviewing the plate, the ruling on the field is changed. The runner was touched down at the half of yard line.

He was short of the goal line. By rule, we would go back to a running clock and we have a 10-second runoff. So by rule, the game is over. Well, you don't think this isn't going to start some stuff up. How about that? that was West Durham WZGC that is not how that game was supposed to end I I understand the rules that are in place they got the call right but that is very frustrating and if you didn't see the game he had Golden Tate what looked like the game winning touchdown they were down 3026 in the last minute he gets knocked down at the goal line it looked like a ball crossed over but it didn't and when they did the it wasn't challenged by any it was the official review, and they ruled that he didn't get in, which was the right call. But there's something wrong with that, Mark, the idea that they're not giving the team a chance to end the game.

It's not the team against the team on the last play. I just don't like that rule, and I wish it would be amended in the future. I mean, it's rough optics to have a game and the way it did, because if you're in the stands and you heard the reaction and you've got half of these Lions fans piling out of this stadium, they have no idea what actually just happened. And they certainly don't agree with it. The call is technically right. But it's the most frustrating. frustrating way for a game to end. It's a tough rule, but I don't think it's one where there's an easy solution, and I don't want to get bogged down in this,

but you can come up with scenarios where it's completely unfair to the defense if you don't have the 10-second runoff. So I don't know. This was an addition to the rulebook, essentially because of plays that ended games that infuriated fans in the opposite direction. But, okay, I get that. But what you're doing there, then you're making the assumption that Detroit would not have been able to stop.

the clock and that's not their fault either because they never got it wasn't their fault they had bad luck there they also might not have gotten that that playoff and from the sound of it you thought that they this was really about them stealing the game if they had won it that for the most part the falcons looked like the better team the falcons are kind of weird this season because obviously they had a record breaking type offense last season and for most of this game it was the same exact situation they moved the ball at will their punter didn't even sniff the field for most of the game. And they just got killed.

Matt Ryan through three interceptions. I want to say upon watching the game the first time, two weren't his fault. Maybe all three, I'd have to check it out again. But he didn't have a bad game. Three picks is misleading. And what Detroit did, they hung around. They got a pick six, which they kept them in the game in the first half. They kept on inching closer and closer.

And then what Detroit does, and I know a lot of people say, you know, these game-winning touchdown drives by Matt Stafford, it's a little bit of a stat that's a little phony on some level. But he did it again. It was not a pretty drive. There are flags all over the field, but he let him down the field again. And just to have that touchdown or near touchdown wiped away to end the game, Atlanta escaped with a win even though they played better.

It was a very strange game. This has not been a season of close games until this Sunday, but the Falcons are a great example of how crazy the NFL can change. They can easily be one and two. Two plays ended on the last play. through nothing the Falcons did right. A drop pass by Jordan Howard and then this is coming up

a happening short of winning the game. Well, that said, they're hanging in. And I realize the offense is probably not going to reach the heights of last year, and that's hard to ask a team statistically to do that two years in a row. Steve Sarkisian's done a nice job overall, though. Looks like one of the best offenses in the league.

Right. I'm very encouraged by the fact that Devante Freeman and Tevin Coleman in a league where you cannot really count on running backs from one year to the next still look very dangerous. DeVoreman was fascinating today. He looked great. Some of those runs were just excellent.

He's a guy that it looks like he's worth the money. I know some people said maybe he wasn't, but... Not in this room, baby. We love him. So 3-0, the Falcons are, and that's a good place to be. But Greg's right. They could be one and two. So maybe after the Super Bowl 51 devastation,

karma's on their side. Well, they now play the entire AFC East with their bye week squeezed in. Really? In a row? Yeah, bills, buy, dolphins, patriots, by, also known as the Jets. Let's, well, don't be so sure. You're right.

Don't be so sure. We'll get to it in a little bit. Let's move on another NFC matchup. Pass right, caught Diggs at the 40, space for the 30. And I'm a loose. 10, five, touchdown. 59-yard touchdown, Keenan to Step on Diggs. Paul Allen, K FX, and Case Keenum went nuts in his second straight start in place of

Sam Bradford passing for three touchdowns, a career bests, 369 yards, no turnovers. Come on. I mean, figure out this week. This was a crazy week, started with a crazy presidential talk, and then all the games were crazy. What's going on in this universe? Anyway, a 3417 win for the Vikings,

an easy win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Minneapolis. Greg, the Bucks crashed to Earth after their big debut last week, and the Vikings again showed how dangerous they can be when everything's clicking. Even with Case Keenham. I mean, you said it. This week, you know, it's been a lot of talk about, you know, respecting the flag. Look, these protests were not about respecting the flag. It has nothing to do with that.

One flag I respect, you don't know where this is going. One flag I respect, and I'm bringing it back out, was Chris Wesleyan's freak flag for Case Keatom. This was the best performance I've ever seen on the Keith. West doesn't even want you bringing that out of that. I mean, this is after, you know, roughly 17 terrible case kingdom appearances. That's fair enough. This is back in 2000. 2013 when Wester, 2014, like the cut of Keenham's jib, and it was a flashback to that.

His first half was sensational, 220-plus yards. He ends up with 369 and three touchdowns. And these were some pretty vertical throws, and he's obviously benefiting from what we saw in week one, which is Stefan Diggs and Adam Thielen are about as dynamic as it gets right now for a receiving combination. They have to be up there with any tandem in the league, and they were making incredible plays on the ball, so they deserve a lot of credit, and Keenham deserves it for serving it up to those guys.

And a buck's defense, which they've been feisty. They've been getting to the quarterback over the last, you know, stretching back to last season, zero sacks on Keenum. And this is an offense that a year ago is so stuck in the mud. It started with their line. Adrian Peterson dealing with injuries. They had nothing behind him.

And Stefan Diggs got hurt. Now you're looking at Dalvin Cook, Diggs, Thielen. And if you get Bradford back next week, you have a legitimate cast of weapons on offense to go with one of the NFC's best defenses. And if you don't, like, can you keep this season afloat until he's back? Let's say he's back two, three, four weeks. Keatim, if he can get wins at home, if you can really dominate a team like the Buccaneers, the Vikings defense is obviously great.

Dalvin Cook looked great again. You know, maybe they can just keep winning enough games with Keenman for when Bradford. All I would say, though, is that as random and bizarre as his performance was today, you've got the Lions, Bears, and Packers next that we have no idea we're going to get from Keen. Right, right. This is just... But the rest of the team is good

and the home field advantage, and you talked about it, Dan, I think, is real. I think it's a great place to play at home. Case Keenham eight times out of ten, maybe nine is going to be the guy last week. They got this version of them, and that's nice because it gave him a win, and they had the ball for almost 38 minutes in this game.

And that next week, Vikings Lions becomes one of the first divisional showdowns in the NFC with a lot riding. on it hubba hubba uh let's move on to a little inter conference football i'm not going down this road he needs to get to the 31 for a first they got him off sides down the field he's open wide open Allison cuts back they got him another move he's got Jones in front of him he gets past him and he's down to the six whoa love that CBS call tony romo and um Jim nance with the call Aaron Rogers, 72-yard pass to Geronimo Allison in overtime set up Mason Crosby's 27-yard field goals.

The Green Bay Packers rallied to beat the Cincinnati Bengals, 2724 at Lambo. Oh, what a killer loss for Cincinnati. They had a 21-7 lead in the first half. They had a pick-six of Aaron Rogers. I believe it was the first pick-six Aaron Rogers has ever had in his career. But all the issues that have driven Cincinnati fans crazy since the first weekend of September. popped up again their offense went into a shell in the second half and it opened the door for Rogers and he did the rest

and now the Bengals guys are 0 and 3 I'm not saying their season's over because you know who knows what's going on with the AFC North right now every other team lost in the division this would have been a great job to get a win here get back in the division and feel good about yourself instead a potentially season crushing loss just oh you can't you got again you got to close out these type of games I think we felt, and we were saying this to each other,

that even when it was 21 to 7 and everything, it looked like it was going right for Cincinnati, you could just feel the tide slowly turning. I will say this about Bill Laser, the new O.C., that he clearly went out of his way. That's right. Sounds like four dead, but apparently, hopefully those people are alive. They're not.

AJ Green, he scheme to get him heavily involved after AJ Green was furious after that Thursday night loss. And in the backfield, I do think Cincinnati, if they're going to come back into this thing, it's going to be on the shoulders of Joe Mixon, who almost doubled the touches out of the backfield of Bernard and Jeremy Hill today. So he's got enough with the training wheels. This guy is your running back.

Here's the takeaway for me for this game, because I watch this game closely. This loss was on Andy Dalton. And I know it's easy to pile on against Andy Dalton right now, but they lost this game because Andy Dalton didn't execute on several possessions in the second half that would have iced this game. Tony Romo, who again did a great job.

We don't have to do this every week. Explain how great Romo is doing in his job. But there was one drive where Green Bay stacked the box on first down. This is late in the game, and Hanging in the balance. And Dalton didn't check out of the play. And then on third down, a crucial third down, Brandon LaFelle crossed wide open right in front of Andy Dalton, who felt pressure prematurely and then just never even targeted LaFelle.

That was a killer. He missed a deep throw. also in this game. I mean, Andy Dalton needs to play better to help his team in a spot like this, and he just didn't have it. Do you make a switch at some point? And a three and out in the first possession of overtime,

the one of the coin toss, nothing. I don't know. I think they would give him a longer rope, but what Romo noticed is really consistent with what people who have been watching the tape say about Dalton in these first games that he's not seeing the field, that he's seeing ghosts,

he's not seeing what's there in front of us. them, which you wouldn't expect that of a veteran quarterback, but it's happening, right? He has absolutely regressed and it's killing them. So, yeah, I think it's certainly possible, especially now, and I don't know who they have next, but if they ever fell into an O and four hole, I don't see why they wouldn't pull the trigger just to try to salvage the season and breathe some life into the team because it has to be frustrating playing with Dalton right now. They have the Browns next.

That may not be. Well, I don't know. That's a get healthy game, but we'll see. And then the other thing I'll say is Aaron Rogers, the game, they were down 24-17 late. Again, Aaron Rogers, he fit a ball into a tiny window to Jordan Nelson to tie the game late that only Aaron Rogers makes sense. And I love how self-aware he is after the game he was asked by Tracy Wolfson about his overtime record. And he even threw at the fourth quarter comebacks. he's been, you know, dings for not really having fourth quarter comebacks,

and here he gets his fourth quarter comeback. Here he gets off this random 0-and-7 overtime Schneide, and he knew all about it. Like he was like, he's like, all right, got those off my back. I mean, for all the weird stuff that happened today, some things were very normal. Josh Jones, by the way, quickly, they really looked like they found something in the Packer's safety. That could be a big addition.

He was making a lot of plays. If he's consistent. Let's move on. Breeze out of the shotgun, looks right, can't find it. anybody. Now he's going to throw it deep down the middle for Ted Ginn at the goal line. The former Panther touchdown Saints. Jim Anderson, WWL. Drew Brees had no problem dissecting the NFL's top-ranked defense throwing for

220 yards of three touchdowns as the Saints whipped up on the Panthers 34-13 in Charlotte. Go figure. Mark, credit where credit is due, the Saints couldn't have looked more out of sorts in the first two weeks, but they studied the ship with this impressive road performance. credit where credit is due. Someone in this studio named Mark Sessler picked this on the Pickham show very confidently. Go in third person. Is that the first Mark Sessler third person, rough?

I think so. It's also the first correct Mark Sessler prediction of the season. So congrats on that. Absolutely incorrect. I also picked the Broncos of the Raiders with you two giggling at me. So your record keeping is off. I mean, this is the game that I think Cam Newton. The Quiet Storm.

Concerned about Cam Newton having this game all season. It looks like the floor fell out finally this morning for him. And I guess the upside is maybe you look at Christian McCaffrey really had a major role in this offense today. But this is the Panthers team that I'd be concerned about. Well, the shocking part is that the Saints offensive line primarily and the Saints offense as a whole really had their way with the defense that I was talking up as one of the best in the league and looked as good as anyone. and the Saints not on turf, on the road, in a huge spot, because otherwise you're 0 and 3 and you're heading over to London next week. You're done.

It feels very done with two 3-0 teams in your division. The Falcons still are 3-0. But that's a major win for a team just trying to stay relevant that they come out there. And Drew Breeze has been overall pretty sharp this season. I think the problems have been really around him and that they held off Carolina and really did what they wanted up. This was such an impressive win for the Saints.

And we've given the Saints a ton of grief this season about how they started and generally the direction of that organization in the last three or four years. It's just kind of been meandering along as a middling unit. And perhaps they'll lay another egg next week and we'll be right back in that position. But for now, that's a big win. And as we were talking up the Panthers

as a potential big-time NFC bounceback, you know, superpower this season mark. And maybe this is the sign of, bigger problems from, we'll see. But give credit to the Saints. It's one game. It's a division game between coaches and teams that know each other. I do think that really matters.

Like when you look at the Jets Dolphins that's coming up and in different surprising games, Texans Patriots, who might as well be in the same division because they play once or twice every year. It's like, I think that does make a big difference. I mean, now Carolina has to go into New England next week. I just, you look at their schedule, you look at the whole overall thing, Cam Newton's health, the kind of when your quarterback is not. there. It's the kind of thing where you read stories in April and May where he's acknowledging

I was never really, you know, I know. I'm surprised because last week I was pretty impressed by the fastball and overall how he played for most of that game despite the score. His arm looked fine. I agree with you on that. It just, it's not all there yet. One thing in that game, there was a scary looking injury for Kelvin Benjamin. It looks like NFL Network inside Ian Rappaport said that he was told in quotes, he, he looks fine. I don't know what with the extent is. We'll see. we're updating injuries. I'm going to throw in one. Levanti David, it's been announced, has a high ankle sprained by our guy, Ian Rappaport. So that really outlines it was a brutal day for the Bucks who were missing Brent Grimes,

also lost Noah Spence to an injury. So that buck's defense and really team as a whole had a brutal day. Ouch, you have no idea how long they'll be without David, who's one of the key members of that defense. By the way, before we move into the next game, I just want to, you know, I get excited about things. Some things are about football Some things aren't about football

Some things are about the best damn show on television What's the plan Save the world Sounds like a suicide mission What was that? I accidentally made Russia declare war on Norway You gotta be kidding me Scorpion

New season begins CBS September 25th Yes Scorpion's back tomorrow That operative sounds a little bit in over her head How did you get another country Wait, that was the season. You can't make these up. They really don't sound real.

And I will one day, you know, I will catch up. I'll do a little binge watch, maybe in the off season. But this episode, that's such a great sell about the Russian Norway thing. Very timely. I might even plug in on that. Like, watch it real time. Commercials and everything. I mean, you should.

I mean, take a sabbatical, maybe take a couple weeks off from, you work here. I mean, what did Norway ever do to anyone? That's like one of the happiest, nicest, places on earth. It's why it was a mistake, according to this female. Wait, um, Loose Cannon, have you seen an episode of CBS's Scorpion? I have not.

I thought maybe we were going to get one. Yeah, sorry. Do you, is there any, all right. I want to know what your, your television programming watching is in general. What's your favorite show? Oh, geez, favorite show. Let me come back to me. Would be director.

She's got a long list of shows. I have a huge list, so I can't even, you know. All right. Well, you, under pressure, you kind of crack. She's a big young, yeah, she's a big young Sheldon fan. I know that. You're a big Marty Scorsese fan. Yeah, love him.

Okay, here we go. Moving on. Let's check in with the New York football team, starting with the Zayman. Are we expecting this one? No. Yeah, but it's 61 yard. Hold your breath. Hmm.

Ball is spotted. The kick is away. And the kick is... It's gone! And the Eagles win! This is that dream I talked about. They win. He's had this dream before.

61 yards. The longest kick in Eagles history. Wow, let's clip that one off. I think that should be at least in the discussion for the top 10 radio calls of 2017. Merrill Reese, W.Y.S.P. Jake Elliott kicked a 61-yard field goal as the clock expired to lift the Philadelphia Eagles to a 27-24 victory over the New York Giants. at the link, again, another killer loss for a team that needed a win and couldn't close out a game.

Elliott's dramatic heroes, draft the Giants to 0 and 3, put the Eagles atop the NFCs to 2 and 1, 2 in 1 for the time being. And Greg, it looked for a while like Big Blue had had their season saving win in hand, and they just couldn't figure it out. This game was awesome. It reminds me of the old Stefan Skit on SNL. You know what I'm talking about? Like this game had everything.

Comebacks, blown fourth downs, injuries, shanked punts, rookie kickers, you know, bear traps, everything. Like, you can watch this game. It's got a little bit of, like, everything. Right. Indoor snowstorms. Yeah. The Philadelphia's hottest club is the link. It was crazy to watch, but my biggest takeaway, it was hard in this sort of game,

was to give Carson Wentz and the Eagles offense. a little credit on a bad day against a good defense overall. The last three times they got the ball, they needed to score. They're trailing 21-14. They have their best drive of the day and they go score a touchdown. They need to kick a field goal to tie it late. He pulls it off and then to set up that game-winning field goal, which is going to get overlooked.

Carson Wentz, 19 yards, very tough throw to Alshan Jeffrey, who fights for it, gets out of bounds with one second left. That was the longest play passing by, far from Wentz all day. So it was not a great day for Wentz, but ultimately they got it done when it really mattered. If you're looking at it from the giant side line,

Eli Manning, 47 passes, 366 yards, some clutch throws down the stretch. Is there anything to take away from this? It says that New York's offense, which was utterly broken over the first two weeks, has any ray of hope or was this a mirage? People may not realize

they were shut out again for three quarters in this game. And then Beckham and Eli got hot, two straight touchdowns in three minutes. And then when I thought, again, this was been a very strange week in the NFL, when Eli throws what I thought was a beautiful pass to Sterling Shepard, who then took at the distance, 77 yards, they're up 2114 with 712 to play with their season on the line. They just stunned the Eagles. One touchdown in 29 possessions. And then they score three in five minutes. I've been watching football for 30 years. And I've seen a lot of teams like these Giants teams that are maybe not terrible teams, but they're in a terrible way. In those situations, they almost always then close

out the game, but they didn't do it. The defense couldn't get the stop. And then with a bad punt, and then unable Alshan Jeffrey with a big catch. Brad Wing is kind of the goat because he shanked a punt. The game is basically going to OT if he doesn't have that punt. And I did remind me of one of the things that I've always, I feel like it's not just me personally. I think a lot people relate to this when the kicker or punter does something to kill your team whether it's a miss kick or a shank or stupid personal foul and then they cut to them on the sideline and their helmet comes off and they they look ridiculous for some reason like in bradwings case he has big bleached like justin beaver hair or like matt praeter with his mat praetor's having a great season by

the way but you know i don't like i got matt praetor problems uh matt praetor is earing dangling like I don't like that. Or Mike Vanderjack back in the day with his like bleached tips and stuff. Oh, please. You don't want the camera cutting over to your kicker slash punter after he blows the game for you. And then he's looking like that. I don't know what I. No, you're right.

That's a fascinating rant. It's totally, it's totally fair and so frustrating for the giant. Be more conservative guys. They're now, oh, and two in the division. And the Eagles are two and O in the division. And this is a great case of the Eagles managing the schedule. because I know it was the Giants and they had them shut out through three weeks, but in a lot of ways, this is a game that Eagles should have lost.

They were missing four players in their secondary going into the game, essentially all of them starters. And then in the game, they lost Fletcher Cox and Jordan Hicks, maybe the players who were playing as well as anyone on their defense, and Darren Sproles. So they are down six starters on defense, and Sproles gets her and things aren't going right, and they find a way to win.

And they did it surprisingly by running the ball down the throats of the Giants. They had a 17-play drive with 13 runs. They ran for 193 yards. Legerrett Blunt ran really well, Wendell-S-Wood ran really well. Klamat! Klamat had a random touchdown out of nowhere, like a very good thing.

So they won winning in a different sort of Eagles way. Giants 17 carries for 49 yards. Right. And one last thing before we move on. Where do you guys come down on Eli Manning's first touchdown on the season? He gets down on all fours like a dog. O'Dell Beckham. I should have said that should have been in the Stefan thing.

That was a missed opportunity. A man pretending to be a dog pissing on the end zone. Would have been more interesting had it been Eli Manning doing that. To be expected from Beckham. Of course, in the end zone. Then peeves on the Eagles end zone. Are we pro or? No.

You know what? Yeah, you're nay. I'm the last guy to pick on celebrations. But peeing and getting a penalty, you don't want the peeing penalty. Is it that funny? Is it that necessarily original? The funniest part is he scored three minutes later in game time and then his second celebration was put the fist up to make a social statement.

But it's just so funny that he was like, all right, if I score the first time, I'm going to pretend to be a dog and pee on the end of the end of it. Score second time. That's when I'm going to take my stand. And what's an odd mental decision? What would have been the third time? I don't know.

Yeah. Third time. It should be mentioned he did kind of look like the old Odell in the second half of that game, showing some juice. And those two touchdown catches were outrageous. The second one is one of the all-time great O'Dell Beckham catches. It'll get lost. But just if you think about the angle and the hand and how he had to

take that thing down, it was impossible. I mean, he was doing O'Do Becker. An extra frustrating because it's for a team that's completely lost at C on offense is not going to get saved this season. Only Aaron Rogers can make that throw. Only O'Dell Beckham can make that catch. But in a losing effort. Eli played well in the second.

second half, by the way. I'll give you that. That's nice. After two picks in the first. Let's move on. Looks right. Throws a bomb down the right side. Looking for Anderson. He's got it in stride. 20, 10, 5 touchdown. Robbie Anderson turns on the Jets, literally. And Josh McCown drops it right down the chimney. Yeah, he did, Bob with shoes in of the GSPN radio. Is he Santa Claus? Josh McCown. That's a tough throw.

I get to that in a second. Josh McCamp threw a 69-yard touchdown pass to Robbie Anderson, and the Jets had no problem shutting down Jay Cutler, Jay Ajai, and the rest of the Miami Dolphins. A 26 win at MetLife Stadium. The Dolphins had two first downs in the first half. They scored their only points of the game on the final play in garbage time. And the Jets first win, you know,

it might not help in the scam for Sam's department. But I'll tell you what. I was real quiet in my mentions. No, Dolphins fans were nowhere to be found. It always feels good to cut the fish. I mean, to the point where you send, I believe, a somewhat edgy text to a child who's under the age of 10. Yes, handsome Hank's child.

This so-called not rooting for the Jets to win thing from Hanzas flies out the window for three hours every Sunday. It should be noted. Well, I am a true fan. I have my eye on a bigger prize, but when I can take down the Dolphins in a big spot, I love it. By the way, let's check in with my dad, who had to deal with a lot of losing.

for the Jets in the last couple of years, and a nice win today. What's Keith got to say? His name is Keith. He's dad's dad. No doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan. What is he going to say about the game today?

What is he going to say about the game today? It's Keith. Great victory by the Jets today. Outstanding defense, all game, shut down the Dolphins. and the offense led by McGowan was outstanding. He had one of the best passing performances I've seen by a jet quarterback in a long time. So it was a great victory defensively and offensively. So at least that's one win for the season.

That's great. Bye. All right. That's Josh McCown's having a nice season, by the way. And they made the right decision to bring him on because he's doing what he has to do with that offense. On the dolphin side of the ball, I don't know, I don't know what to say. I mean, this was a no-show performance by the Dolphins and all the positive talk about, you know, how they looked in week one. And anybody who thought this team is going to go back to the playoffs, the game was like, what is going on with this team?

I don't know if there's a team that's more reliant on a running back right now than Miami. And when you take Jay Ajai out of the mix the way they did today. And it's the kind of performance by the Jets run defense that in years past you potentially could have expected. I wouldn't have this week. And with him out of the mix, it sounds like Jay Cutler was absolutely, they put the wood to Jay Cutler. Yeah, they had no problem keeping Cutler in check.

And he was limited. He threw 44 passes for 220 yards through a pick. He was very mediocre. And J.J.I. could not get moving, which is surprising because the Jets had been getting gashed on the run in the first two weeks. Adam Gase, after the game was, you know,

predictably unhappy, very short with his answers. asking, you know, what did he say to his team? He said, there's nothing to say. Look at the scoreboard. You know, how can they jumpstart the offense? He's like, maybe score some points, maybe get a first down. Like, he is very upset, and you start to think about the wear on this team mentally. It's not making an excuse for them.

It's a fact of what they went through with the hurricane and then going on the West Coast and now going to New York, and they're going from New York over to London. That's a tough way to start the season. And so this is kind of, this is a circle of the wagons week for the dolphins in London. It's a big spot for them is all I'm saying. They got to prove that they can bounce back. And I'll tell you because watching Josh McCown over the last two seasons on a bad Browns team that hid in a way in his awful win loss record, it couldn't have been any worse,

were Sundays like this where he made a couple throws where you realize this is an incredibly athletic guy. He's going to have a couple games where he spilled into nearly 400 yards in those seasons. and he's the kind of guy that's going to win you four or five games with the Jets. Well, I will see about that. Well, I'm just saying, listen, they got to stay healthy. He's also got to stay in the field, which he has no ability to do. When you look at what Robbie Anderson is starting to develop, Germain Curse has looked good with New York. I'm just saying this is not necessarily the recipe for a one-and-fifteen season.

Anyone slamming McCown this year hasn't watched the games. He played, I thought, pretty well in the week one for three quarters. and then had a complete meltdown. He was fine last week, and then you're talking this, like for three weeks on balance, he's far from the jet's biggest problem. That's exactly what they wanted,

a professional quarterback on an inexperienced team. We'll see if he could stay on the field. Let's move on. Corrie Lott with 101 yards and more, and there he goes. Hold on to your heads. He's done it again. Long touchdown run.

Corrie. Hunt, 69 yards. It's our friend. That's Kevin Harlan. Kevin Harlan of CBS, of course, and Westwood won Monday night football. But big play, Kareem Hunt struck again, and the Chief's defense made life miserable for Philip Rivers and a 24-10 win over the Los Angeles Chargers at the stub. I'm going to say that.

I'll try to get that. I think it works. Yeah, it's at the stub. Alex Smith threw two more touchdowns on the Chargers have started their uncertain L.A. journey with three consecutive losses. Not ideal, Greg. No, they didn't look like a team that deserved to win. You know, you can usually come up with reasons. And yes, they were beating the chiefs in terms of total yardage for much of the game. But ultimately, the Chargers defense shut down Kansas City for much of the game, including the entire second half until that

hunt play, which was really, the game was over at that point. And Philip Rivers kept getting the ball over and over, and they couldn't put up a point. This needed to be an offensive team, and ultimately, they haven't scored enough. It was a bad Philip Rivers game, three interceptions in the first half, and in the second half, it was like he was a little on tilt, you know? Just some passes that he normally makes were flying all over the place. And, I mean, to be honest, we looked at the, we looked at the television screen, and it looked like a massive turnout for Chiefs fans.

That's the second week in a row where if you're Philip Rivers, you're not playing in a place where it looks like the home field is going to make more. The home team is going to make more noise than the visitor week after week. And Anthony Lynn has got to be feeling it right now. You've lost two crushing games, and it's starting to go south from here. With teams like that at the start of the season, two terrible losses, then you get beat up on. You can start to snowball.

Now the Chiefs are 3-0 now, gentlemen. It was a one-score game. I wouldn't say beat-up on until very late. But, yeah, I hear you. All right. I don't know what else you need to do on the road. I know you're a charges fan, but at any point, did you think the charge is going to win this?

I thought, yes, because they controlled Kansas City. They were playing pretty well on both sides of the ball. Like, they were doubling them up in total yardage, and it was a one-score game, more or less, the whole time. I thought they had a chance, but then it didn't happen. Yeah, so, yeah, they were even in yards and time of possession. So, but the better team figured out a way to get it done. And the Chiefs are now 3-0.

Cream Hunt, what else can you say? I mean, that last touchdown really juiced his numbers, but it's now three straight weeks where he's had a huge impact for the Chiefs. And if they end up taking the next step and going from 12 and 4 or whatever to 13 and 3 or 14 and 2, Cream Hunt joining the team and becoming a superstar, that can do that. He's special. Just his balance, his ability to fight through tackles. Before we move on, I got to say, you don't mess with Marcus Peters.

Back when Keenan Allen called him a bum, I believe, a year ago, every time these teams face since then, he's got this matchup circled. And Marcus Peters looked like the best cornerback in football. today. He thrown seven times in his way, gave up three catches, only 20 yards in interception, a past defense. He ate up Keenan Allen and whoever he was across the field from. And one last thing. Two guys who I think are... Two last things at this point. Yeah, that's cheating. Three last things. Go ahead. Last three. No defensive players are playing any better than Melvin Ingram and Justin Heson,

who were again outrageous, both of them in making key plays in this game. Both have just been on fire. When I was in the locker room last week, Melvin Ingram could not have been more downtrodden about that loss. I mean, I can't imagine where he was today. Let's move on. Here, first and 10, Simeon under pressure, and he's intercepted again. It's picked off by Dredavius White as Simeon making another terrible decision. Trevor Simeon was intercepted twice in the game's final 20 minutes,

and Tyrod Taylor threw two touchdowns to lift the bills to a 26-16 win over the Broncos in Western New York. Sessler. The bill's cooled off hashtag Team Trev and won for the second time at three weeks. How about that? Well, any, and we already felt this way, I think about Buffalo, but a well-coached team with players playing out of their minds, this concept a couple weeks ago that they've tanked or that they're in position to because of roster deficiencies is utterly off the board at this point. This was a very impressive showing Tyrod Taylor's best game all season and in quite a while against the defense that destroyed the Cowboys a week ago. And it was the Trevor Simeon game that I didn't quite expect to see, not today. I think Buffalo is underrated as a tough place to go into and play, number one. But Simeon down the stretch, two, his picks where I think were off a very concerning decision-making. You know, the floor fell in.

And it started for me, even though Jamal Charles had a nice day on the ground, when C.J. Anderson isn't sort of the engine of that offense, and he really struggled early on, that you're not going to get that same Broncos balanced attack. No, they need to win off their running game in defense, and neither one really. Neither showed up today. Really played that well. But I'm not shocked that the Bill's defense is showing up because you watch them, and they're showing up every week.

Trudevius White looks like a great first-round pick. He flashed in the first two weeks. I think they found something in your old boy, Jordan Poyer, kind of a random pickup from the Browns. It's interesting that the Panthers always used to pick up random guys and make them work in the secondary, and now here's Sean McDermott doing it in Buffalo. I mean, this loss is not on the Broncos defense. I know Von Miller and Mark maybe could shine a light on that.

He put the loss on him based on a personal foul he had late in the game. That was huge. And it was a drive that allowed Buffalo. You know, they were up 23 to 16 to punch in a field goal, you know, minutes later after Von Miller basically had a penalty. It was a unsportsman-like conduct call where after sacking Tyrod Taylor cleanly, he reached his hand down to, as a gesture to kind of pick him up, but then pulled the hand away, kind of a prank or a joke,

and it would have seemed more offensive except for the fact that Tyrod Taylor was up and laughing about it, and then the ref threw the flag, and it extended the drive. And, I mean, there were other things that happened. Tyrod Taylor on that same drive had an incredible scramble where he was essentially, with Broncos players buzzing around him, fell down, and was untouched and got back up and ran seven yards to move the chains. I mean, it was a gutsy final drive by the Bill's offense.

Let this be a reminder this game. And I know the Bills didn't light it up. They only had 272 yards of total offense. They weren't perfect. But leave Tyrod Taylor alone. Let Tyrod Taylor just leave the team. Don't, if you're a fan in the stands, you're not going to have some magic elixir on the bench coming in to outperform.

If you're the moment. If you're a lot of. Yeah, not yet. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, maybe he is better. But Tyrod Taylor is perfectly fine. and you're off to a nice start, and the guy makes plays. I know he's not perfect, but not a lot of quarterbacks are.

And that came with LaShawn McCoy rushing for 21 yards off 14 carries after a bad week two. Four touchdowns this year, one interception, obviously a factor in the running game, over seven yards per attempt. He started out this season very solid week to week. Let's head. Who had this one? Well, I did. And in fact, to the point where anyone, when I've locked,

I have never apparently won a lock in September, so I don't know why I'm even allowed to participate in this at this point, but it's very clear that Broncos fans were annoyed that I did lock it up last week. You're not going to be alone, and as everyone will find out soon enough, but I do, I have to track this, Mark. The Browns are 0 and 3, your locks are 0.3. The Giants, your NFC Super Bowl team are 0 and 3, and the Chargers, your AFC Super Bowl team are 0.

Yes, but I did not mistakenly start a nuclear war between Russia and Norway, so I have that. At this point, wouldn't you almost want to go just 0-16 on some level? Absolutely. It's so much harder to go to not win anything would be very hard. That would be amazing. Let's move on. He looks.

He lobs it up down the middle, looking for Mercedes-Lewis, makes the catch into the end zone. Touchdown, Jacksonville. Blake Bortles threw four touchdowns, including a trio of strikes to Mercedes-Lewis, to lead the Jacksonville Jaguars to an obscenely thorough 44-7. win over the Baltimore Ravens and a kickoff of the international series from Wembley Stadium in London. Hi to all our London listeners and England listeners.

Greg, make sense of this blowout. Make sense of anything in this world. I can't, other than at their best, the Jaguars defense is going to stop a limited offense. That certainly happened today. But I don't want to hear all this crying like I saw on Twitter at 6.50 in the morning about, oh, well, they're missing Marshall Yonda.

Marshall Yonda didn't give up four touchdowns to Blake Bortles. Marshall Yonda didn't give up 220 yards passing in the first half to Blake Bortals. This game was over by the end of the first quarter. The Jaguars' offense did whatever they wanted to do against a Ravens defense, which we thought was among the very best in the league. And yeah, okay, you're missing Brandon Williams. That's one key component. You do not expect the Jaguars to be able to throw the ball on you.

Bortles was efficient, maybe not as good as his numbers suggest. He was very good, but it was really a total team effort, great play calling, great protection, great running game, like everything was working. I guess for me, it's like you can watch coming into this two weeks of game tape and draw conclusions, and you should because you just keep doing that and compile them as the season goes on. But I woke up and it was like 23 to nothing, and I thought, I've definitely, this is not real, I've woken up in a parallel universe, this is a complete mess.

Yeah, Erica, hit me. Go ahead. Hit me. Give me the sand. And you know what? You're not alone. Handed out to West, too. He did the same thing.

Hey, you know what? Screw it. Head it out to Greg and Mark because they ripped me for saying this was too easy. No, that's not how the game worked. You knew this spin was coming because we got this from Dan downstairs.

He quickly shifted downstairs. Ridiculous spin. 44 to 7 for shame. The best part is how upset you guys are. No. I mean, it makes sense of it. You are right, because we utterly, in every possible way, dismiss Jacksonville as an entity on Thursday's preview show.

We all did. You guys were saying it was too easy. Weston and I was saying it was such an easy win. Like, it was from all angles we had this game covered as a one-sided effort. I mean, and I don't know how to make sense of it. The Ravens defense, we were singing praises for it, and they get lit up. Joe Flacco ends up on the bench, and you have to be asking questions about Joe Flacco again.

Like, is he a guy that's going to be able to lead this Ravens team? effectively. I don't know. I thought Flacco played well last week, too, when I went back and watched that. I was like, okay, no worries about Flacco moving a little better. I don't think it was all on Flacco by any means. It was Wallace and Perriman have been terrible for that team. Drop and passes, not on the same page as Flacco, but he was eight for 18. 52 team yards passing.

With 28 yards and two interceptions. That is about as bad of a stat line. And in terms of making sense, well, number one, it's impossible to predict anything. I mean, seasons are inherently going to be way more unpredictable than we think, and there's no certainty, especially early in the season. You've got to let it develop and just see. And now this is two games out of three where the Jaguards have waxed the other team. And you have to give a lot of credit to Callais Campbell and A.J. Bouillet and some pickups that they've made.

I mean, these guys have come in and made monster impacts. Bouillet and Ramsey's two interceptions of Flacco were outrageously good plays, less about a bad throw by Flacco. London will try to give you a better game down the line. But Jaguars, you got to see her. At least he got some points. He got some highlights. Let's move on.

He throws, caught by TY at the 50, 45, down to the 40. Cutts back in 35, 30, 20, 10, 5. Touchdown, Ty, Hilton. Bob Lamy, WFNI, Jacoby Brissette, ran for a pair of touchdowns and had that big connection. Ooh, slides me off a piece of that, Jake Briskey. To T.Y. Hilton to lead the cults to a 30. He won 28 win over the Cleveland Browns. Mark, first of all, Browns now 0 and 3, 1 in 18 in the Hugh Jackson era.

And my question to you, we'll get to the Browns in a second. But did the Colts save their season with their trade for Jake Brisket? Yeah, honestly, he's given you over the course of three weeks much more than you would have gotten from Philip Dorset. No way around it, especially if Scott Tolzeen were a quarterback. You were waiting to find out. I mean, with TY. More than Tolzeen, that's for sure. much more than Tulsi, and that's what I'm saying.

So, T.Y. Hilton, who really, you know, one of the big victims of Andrew Luck being sidelined, absolutely new performance today. And him and Brissette, man, they, Bressett can run. He gashed Cleveland on the ground for a couple scores. When they thought they, you know, clamped down in the secondary, he just moves in space. And Hilton absolutely torched Cleveland secondary.

Big concerns for Cleveland's defense. But honestly, the cults, I don't know what their long-term status will be in the season. I don't think overall they're a special team by any stretch. But Brissette did this for New England last year. He won a game that they needed before Tom Brady came back. And you look at what he did today. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him keep them competitive until luck returns. And there was movement on that front for the first time in a long time this morning

with a couple national reports, including from Ian Rappaport. One specifically targeted week six as a possible return. I think that was from ESPN. and Ian was a little more vague that maybe he's going to be returning to practice fairly soon and start ramping up. So Brissette has looked totally different this season, I think, than that Texans game or even what we saw in the preseason of the Patriots. He's been pretty impressive in two weeks. If they can get to whenever Andrew Luck comes back in decent shape, which is, to me, 500, you know, maybe a game below, something around there giving them a chance with their franchise quarterback,

I mean, I think it's going to be tough. Their front office will deserve a lot of credit for, you know, realizing that Tolzean was going to, they were going to need another option. And then Jake Prescott, you know, he almost, you start to think, is this guy deserves a look somewhere else where he might be able to compete for a starting job. There's a lot more football to play before then. But a very nice start there for Jake. Let's move on.

Take some turns, sticking in the belly of the back. Here's Jordan Howard, left in the 10. Howard 5, turns up field. He is in. Is he in for the touchdown? Yes. Touchdown. Touchdown Bears.

Referees never threw their hands up. Jordan Howard had a clear sale into the end zone for the game winner. 19 yards. There it is. Jeff Johnnyack, WBBM. Jordan Howard's 19-yard run in overtime. That was the difference for the Chicago Bears who overcame an all-time gaff by cornerback Marcus Cooper before halftime to defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers.

2317 at Soldier Field. the Steelers offense was pedestrian once again, Greg, and the Bears showed once again why they shouldn't be considered a pushover by anybody. No, they could be two and one with home wins over the Steelers and the Falcons if Gordon Howard had held on to it and they did it with old, you know, Foxball.

Eight runs. Sexy. Eight runs of 13 yards or more. That 13, coincidentally, it was the longest run that the Steelers had. So they ran the ball down the Steelers' throat and they stopped the run and that's Foxball. And on the flip side. You make it sound a lot better than it actually.

No, I don't enjoy Foxball, but it's Foxball's dream. Who's more fun to watch, you know, in that division than Tariah Cohen right now? And Jordan Howard, who seemed like he was getting phased out a little bit by Cohen. No, they use them both. 38 rushing attempts. Meanwhile, you're hiding Mike Lennon is the best you can. Just 22 passes. 100 yards, 1001 yards.

They won this game twice, by the way. I didn't see any replay. No, they ruled Tariq Cohen out of bounds on the field. And it gets into that tricky area. It's like, well, you have to have, you know, irrefutable evidence. Well, to me, the irrefutable evidence was I didn't see any part of his foot touching that white line, which wiped out a really special touchdown for Cohen. So I was actually happy to see the Bears then close out the game a few minutes later.

They won this game. And it talked about this on the end around this week about how the Steelers. and you look at their schedule, what they have coming up. They still haven't hit their stride on offense. Levion Bell, 15 for 61. 282 yards total. Yeah, Antonio Brown is always going to get his production, but another quiet game for Martavis Bryant.

You know what? Their schedule is pretty tough coming ahead. You might have to wait to the second half of the season before it loosens up and you could start seeing them putting up the numbers we were expecting. But then by then, is that core four guys going to even be on the field together because we know they've struggled. the Steelers have not gotten it going.

So they're fortunate to be two and one. Well, they play the Ravens next week, which becomes a huge game. And does anyone want to win the AFC North? They're 0 and 4 today as a division. And I am concerned about Big Ben. I am concerned about Levi-on-Bell, but I also feel like it's a team that a month from now, even a week from now, they could explode at any moment.

Yeah, what NFL team? There aren't many are just looking like the same team week after week. Like the Falcons so far, you pretty much know what you're getting, even though their games are close. Like, teams are figuring themselves out. But I do think it's worth at least mentioning. And I have been as big a Big Ben fan as anyone that you were banging me, well, that was phrasing there.

Excuse me? That checks out. You were getting on me for Philip Rivers. Staking identity, Greg. You were getting on me. That's right. For not admitting that there's a little Philip Rivers decline going on right now or when he's struggling, not in Midia.

I don't think that's happening. Eli Manning certainly has been in a little bit of decline. Ben Rathlisberger has not played as well now over the last season and three games as I believe the level of his play had been before that. And he's up there in years. He certainly doesn't make as many special out-of-the-pocket crazy plays as before. And I don't think he's played out his best this season. I'm with you.

I still think it could flip around. Oh, Sunday night. Mac Brown is now the back. They take it to him. Cousins going deep down the right side line, and it's pulled in, and into the end zone goes Zottsin for a touchdown. Josh Dotson, I remember you.

Oh, Sunday night. What, how dare you? All right, like it. How dare you, Tamposi? I am hosting here. I like that a lot. Carrie. Much appreciated by

Getting back at you Sounds good though Carrie's voice Sounded better than ever this season I just thought you feel left out Like it doesn't happen to you off you know It's the only problem You're flustered

The show has come to a screeching alt It doesn't go It doesn't affect me Because I love Carrie Underwood That's the whole thing You get Mark You might not ever see him again If you hit Mark with it

It's a poisonous song She's about as rude as A group of Rosenthal Sitting down at the dinner table just cutting each other off. Josh Dodson, there you are, buddy. A 52-yard touchdown reception. Kirk Cousins played out of his mind.

Statistically, 25 of 30, 365, three touchdowns and a pass rating of 150.7. My goodness, the Raiders, no match. A 2710 win for the Washington Redskins who improved a two and one. And all of a sudden, all that talk about the doomsday of Washington and how terrible they looked throughout the summer. And then week one, all gone.

Greg, the Raiders, what are we doing here? They got a couple. They got some points in garbage time. Or not some points. They moved the ball a little bit in garbage time. But going into their last possession that no one cares about, they had 95 total yards. 95. They had five first downs.

This is the Raiders. What happened in this game? Well, let's just get this out of the way and give me the sad horn right off the bat. We got the collar. That's an O for four. As a group, we know nothing. And of all the shocking. Good news is nobody else knows anything either.

As of all the shocking results on a shocking Sunday, I contend that the Raiders getting their fifth first down of the game with five minutes to go in Washington was the single most shocking. Not just that the Redskins went up and down the field. Okay, we know that they're capable of that, but that this Redskins defense, which was short a couple players, and didn't have a lot going into the game to make you feel like they're special. absolutely destroyed what I believed was the most dynamic offense in the league.

It was wild. Yeah, I mean, we have to find out very soon if this was an aberration on a day full of potential aberrations or if the fact that Derek Carr looked completely off all night long, Amari Cooper one catch for six yards. Marshaun Lynch totally shut down the formula that over the last two weeks looked super solid, totally crumbled against a team that we had dismissed. If I had a guess, it's a blip on the. radar. I'm not going to make too much of it.

Sometimes things have bad nights and the Raiders had a bad night. But you're right, Derek Carr, there was a play near the end where he was deliriously trying to call timeout and didn't get granted. Then then when they showed the replay, he's rolling out right before throwing it out of bounds. You can see the look in his eyes like, oh, this is just one of those days. He could not wait to get back in the locker room. And I'm sure you see Marshawn at the end of the game sitting on the sideline.

No dancing today for Beast Mode. It was just a long night for the old... I don't know if it's an aberration, though. when you see how this defense, this Raiders defense, was utterly controlled. Chris Thompson, 150 yards through the air, dynamic player number one. But, I mean, Washington had their way down the stretch. They ran the ball at will. They were throwing screen passes that were blowing up against the secondary.

It was embarrassing and embarrassing loss. Yeah, I don't think, I think the Raiders over the last few years have consistently made mental errors and been confused in terms of what they're doing on defense. these big plays, like you shouldn't be giving up 100 plus yards on screen passes for the night, but that's what happened. Lots of yards after the catch. That's what happened. The thing, if you're a Redskins fan, to feel like that we can do this every week, this running game is starting to look for real. And Bill Callahan, who is on that coaching staff, wherever he goes, has a big time effect, and they are tough to deal with. So if you got a power running game

with Kirk Cousins kind of, you know, just managing the game, that's two straight weeks. That Rams win looks even better, I think, now. Two and one, they have to be very happy after a poor week one. I mean, to go, oh, when you're the Raiders with the weapons they have and the way we felt about them even five hours ago, to go O for 11 on third down, I just, I don't know if this is an aberration in the sense that there are very few teams you can count on from week to week. We found that out today, and maybe the Raiders are not this automatic 13-3 contraption.

See, I'm not going to go too crazy about it. I mean, the defense may be. The offense is going to be fine, I think. There's too many weapons. It was a terrible night. I don't like their offensive line. Their offensive line, which you can control, which you seem. They were on fire the first two weeks.

They got controlled tonight. That was among many shocking things. Seeing Carr hit six times, attack four times. It was just the level of the beatdown. It could have been 44 to 7 like the London game. This was just as big a beat down, really, as that game. And then they go to the Raiders, go to Denver next week. be another challenge for them, come home to face the Ravens.

And the Ravens to tie it up, put a nice little bow on it, the team that we were also high on going into this weekend. They got waxed by the Jaguars. So this was the week where if anybody thinks their football geniuses, watch the NFL today. Everything is still coming together. We're trying to figure out who's who and what's what. It's hard to say.

A couple program notes, first off, this was our 600th episode. Oh. How about that? Unlike Mark, you know, going third person to talk about his Saints pick, we're not... There we go. We're not usually, you know, a big self-congratulatory crew, so not a big celebration. 600 episodes. Greg snuck that in that.

As a foursome. Mark is like the least self-congratulatory guy, so I felt like... That's a really a joke. Nice achievement. And coincidentally, Sheck also had his 600th episode last week. So the two mainstays of the podcast. Where's move the stick set? That's pretty cool.

Shepherding logs, you mean? Sheparding logs. Episode what? I don't know. I'm not tracking on that. We'll have to check. Sully's behind the glass. Maybe he has the answers.

Also, Greg, you had something you wanted to say. Oh, I wanted to give a nice shout out to one of our listeners and a follower on Twitter, UK Clark Griswold, who went to the London game and with his beautiful family and brought a big poster up of Chris Wesseling that said the mailman is back and posted some great pictures. You should check it out on his Twitter account. Chris and I both retweeted it's on Instagram too. They're with Jackson DeVille. He's running a 40-yard dash.

They're all excited going to the game. Jacksonville is the Jaguars mascot. Yeah, sorry. Everyone should know that. A little too familiar there, maybe for some people. I don't know. It's one of the coolest. Yeah, our fans do a lot of cool things.

But to me, that really stuck out as one of the coolest things anyone's ever done. Absolutely. We hope to have Wes back on Tuesday with us. And that's it. And finally, Erica, give us a TV show that you like. I love Big Little Lies on HBO. Excellent programs. Stranger Things is amazing. Westworld is a... What?

I like Westworld. I got a little redundant, a little tiresome, a little bit over. A little worrisome, she needed like three hours to come up with this answer. You put me on the spot. Furiously searching cool TV shows. Yeah. That's exactly what I did. Is this the way New England people treat each other?

Yeah, I tweeted out a poll, actually, to vote, like, what would make me look the coolest. All right. So there you go. Those are the answers you were waiting for. We will be back on Tuesday, where we will recap the Monday night football showdown between who, Mark? Gotcha. What's happening to Cowboys and the Cardinals? All right, there you go.

Cowboys and Cardinals. I was off my own world. And that, of course, will be our video show. If you want to check out our video stuff, NFL.com slash ATN videos. We're also going to go shoot Pickham in a bar, all of us. Our NFL Pickham show, which it might turn out to be our last, just trusting us to go into a bar together. Well, or listen, if you need someone to come in and nail a series of NFL picks,

you've found that crew right here. So you got it. It's must-watch TV. Maybe getting drunk would help. We'll see. All right. This is Dan Hansa signing up. For Quiet Storm, the old boss and the loose cannon behind the glass.

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