NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2018 Week 3 Recap

Episode Date: September 24, 2018

In a room filled with heroes – Dan Hanus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler (yay!) & Chris Wesseling – react to NFL Week 3 action, including the overtime thriller in Atlanta (4:00), Patrick Mahomes sets more records (what a surprise) while Jimmy G exits with a concerning injury in Kansas City (9:25). Nick Shook then joins the show to chat about the Dolphins surprising 3-0 start (15:30), after, Buffalo’s rookie Josh Allen orchestrates an upset victory over Minnesota (26:10), the Rams conquered the Chargers in the ‘Battle for LA’ (58:50) & Matt Patricia earns his first victory as Detroit’s head coach on Sunday Night Football (1:14:20)!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansus, and I'm joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler's back, Chris Wessling and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. that intro hit a little too close to home yeah that cut a little bit um mark sessler welcome back thank you did the browns come back victory over the jets which i'm still salty about it is the only reason i have yet to read your wonderful or what i'm told long torn long form about the cleveland browns

and your lifelong fandom is because i'm not ready to touch the browns after thursday but forget about that. For you, that must have been life-giving. Is that explain your comeback after the blood clot issue on Sunday? It does explain the comeback. The other is a change in thinking. I think I've told you guys for years that I had something of a fantasy where I hoped I would enter into some sort of low-level accident or health issue that would put me into a hospital for months. I could just read books, you know, just put the foot on the break a little. And I've reversed my thinking. It was quite unenjoyable, and I much more enjoy

doing this. Do you think the big guy upstairs was smiting you a little bit there? Might have been giving me a little preview of my so-called wishes and saying you might not know everything. Well, it's good to, it's great to have you back, Mark. It wasn't

the same without you last week. And being at full strength and here in Culver City for a Sunday of NFL action, this is what we do best. And what do we do? You know what we do, Greg. Everybody knows what we do on Sundays. We talk about 15 games.

Talk about 15 football games in a row, straight through. With a little bit of help from our friend downstairs, Nick Shook, who will be here in a little bit. And we're going to go through the entire schedule of games and close it out with the Sunday night affair between the Detroit Lions and the New England Patriots. Anything else we have to get off the books before we get into the flagship program? I was just going to say, as it turns out, agonizing pain is not a good way to

replace football. No, it is not. But I will say, look at this cardigan. Is this a cardigan that Wes is wearing? It is. They call it a cow neck sweater? It is some high-octane. It's just certain things that West was not wearing

before he met his current fiancé. Yeah, absolutely. That just have crept into the wardrobe. And some of them have kind of that preppy look to it. I mean, it's an interesting narrative. And it's surprising. No, it's not a narrative because we were given, and we'll get into it,

one of a future sponsor offered us a chance to purchase some clothing. online and I just went in and ordered a hoodie and an incredible pair of male underwear and what did Wes do? West said I needed to confer with the paramour before I make my purchase like I don't I just go buy this one. It's funny because Wes bristles at a lot of narratives but this is the one that I'm most surprised that really gets under his skin that somehow it doesn't really get under my skin

it's just that it's only half true like a lot of the clothing that I've bought she's getting credit for but I will concede that my fashion appears to have increased for the better. Wow, it's evolving. I bristle it, your narrative. That's a common refrain from West these days. That was a non-apology, apology. I'm sorry that you were offended.

Why am I apologizing? All right, so we're going to go through all the games. Save it for the Bills game. Why don't we start? We'll get to the Bills game shortly, but why don't we start with a great shootout of week three? Line and Camara behind Breeze. Bree is going to try and dive over, and he does, and that's the ball game.

Well, that's it? A decisive end. The call from WZGC, West Durham. Put that in the list for, I mean, the short list for a potential call of the year. It would be hard to top it. I know because Alvin Kamara, they thought he scored, so it was almost a matter of fact situation. Economy of words. All right, guys.

Drew Breeze's one-yard-touchdown drive to open overtime, lifting the New Orleans Saints to a 43-37 win over the Falcons. Greg, this was a classic shootout between two great talents at quarterback, potentially two Hall of Famers, at least one. Matt Ryan threw five touchdown passes, but the Saints are the team that won that overtime coin toss, and they didn't look back. It is remarkable to see one of the top quarterbacks in the league in Drew Breeze

be paired with a top three running back, a top three receiver, and just see those three guys dominate together. Breeze is so sharp in this game, and sometimes it just comes down to situations. And the Saints handled the situation at the end of the first half where they got three points, and then at the end of the game, where they ended up getting one stop on the Falcons better than Atlanta.

Otherwise, you couldn't find a stop in this game, but there was a third down when Atlanta got the ball back with the game tied late in regulation. And I think everyone watching the game just figured Atlanta's going to go down and kick the game-winning field goal. Tebben Coleman does not pick up the blitz well. Matt Ryan gets furious at him. He had an open receiver over the middle.

And then the Saints win the coin toss. And once they won the coin toss, it felt like Super Bowl 51 again. That's the right number, right? And where I just was like, there's no way the Falcons are getting to stop because the Falcons defense is a mess without Keanu Neal, without Dionne Jones.

For this game, they were without Tack McKinley, and then Ricardo Allen also suffered a serious injury. There was just no way they were going to stop the Saints. I actually felt that they were a little lucky even to be in this game. This happens like, uh-oh, somebody. I bet against the Saints. You bet? We don't do that.

The picks. Well, yeah, and this. Did not lock it up. I did not lock it up. This happens at least once a year where I feel like it's time for everybody to understand and how great Drew Breeze is. And he did set an NFL record today. He now has more completions than anyone.

And that's a kind of accounting stat. But it's a remarkable stat. And then setting up this game and did a little research, Drew Breeze has never won an MVP. He might retire with every record in the book. This is a 40-year-old quarterback that went toe-to-to-to-again with Matt Ryan, who won the MVP a couple years ago, and won.

And I just want to point out one specific play. So he went over the top to win the game. Didn't impress the Saints Radio Network, but I was impressed by that. an old man jumping over the line like that. But it was the play that tied the game. 3730, Saints are down about five and a half minutes to go. And Drew Brees is in the open field with two Falcons defenders converging.

Does a spin move and gets in the end zone. Here's what he had to say about it after the game. At some point, I felt like they were coming to try to take my head off and I could probably spin out of this. And it was just a reaction. But I keep telling my flag football team that spin moves are good. and they're not getting it. They're not believing me.

So I'm glad that happened because now I have video evidence to show them that, hey, spin moves work. Spin moves are good. Drew Breeze is an obvious first bout Hall of Famer, but this isn't baseball. Nobody pays attention to counting stats and football for a reason.

You can't compare across eras. You can't compare with a dome because it's like playing in Coors Field as a baseball player. It's such a big advantage for offensive stats. So Drew Breeze doesn't need anyone to say, he's got these stats he belongs in the hall of fame regardless right he's going to the hall of fame regardless right he's always been unfortunately for him kind of the third guy he was the third

behind brady and manning now he's kind of been the third behind brady and rogers when people think of the two but he has been so sharp i really watching this game even though matt ryan's numbers are insane and he played well he had 374 yards and five touchdowns i just watch it thinking like breeze is so much sharper he's the guy that you want and then you look at some of the stats for thomas michael thomas has 38 catches on 40 targets this year Wow. I feel like we're not talking enough about him. Even though he constantly gets highlighted in the statistical packages and stuff,

you call them a top three receiver. It felt like a- 95% catchment. It felt like a miracle any time that the Falcons defense got the Saints to third down. It was one of those games where, like, if it was an eight-yard gain, that felt like a win for the Falcons defense. And then Alvin Camara, who we take for granted a little bit now, too, just because he's been around 31 touches in this game,

195 yards from scrimmage. I was thinking they need a little more depth but maybe you don't need that much more. Ben Watson did step up for them today and that made it down. One quick thing, seven touchdowns scored in the second half and overtime. I come away concerned with both defenses still.

I mean, especially Atlanta who's been absolutely ravaged right up the middle of their defense. Yeah, Calvin Ridley was awesome for them but I think the Falcons now with two losses to big NFC teams have to be a little worried because some of these guys aren't coming back. Hopefully the Ricardo Allen injury isn't too serious.

Let us move up. Mahomes in the pocket, peeling away, being rushed. Now peels back to his right, trying to keep the play alive, pump faking, fires it late. It's gone to the back of the end zone. Touchdown! Kansas City, Chris Conley with the catch. But Patrick Mahomes with Mahomes magic. There you go.

Mitch Hold on us. You can count on him. 101 the Fox on the Chiefs Radio Network. Superman, Patrick Mahomes, finished with 314 yards and three touchdowns, including that brilliant, Scramble in connection with Chris Conley. In the end, it was another big win for the Chiefs. Final score, 38 to 27. That sets an NFL record, by the way, for Mahones,

who has 13 touchdowns this season in three games, no interceptions. Not all the quarterback news was a good one, though. Jimmy Garoppolo suffered a left knee injury that the team fears as a torn ACL crushing. Tough setback for the Niners and another eye-opening performance for the one. for the chiefs, Wes?

Sort of reminds me of the 2007 Patriots in this way. As far as the credit being so widely placed, you would watch the 2007 Patriots and some former linemen would point out, this doesn't happen unless Brady's got all day to throw. And then someone would point out, Wes Welker's redefining the slot position. Someone would say Josh McDaniels is awesome as a play caller.

With the Chiefs, you have all of these things. Tyreek Hill is in the Randy Moss role. Mahomes is in the Brady role. Andy Reed's execution. The Chiefs are facing busting coverage on more plays than any team in the league. There are receivers running wide open throughout every level of this defense. They haven't even had to establish a ground attack in any game this year. Because why bother?

He's thrown a touchdown to nine different receivers, which is a veteran quarterback type of rapport with your targets. Three weeks and the record is 13. It's incredible. And they just have the vibe because the Chiefs are a team that you do expect through the Andy Reid era to open strong, of times and then they're going to give you what they give you on the second half of the season but that was with a different quarterback and a lot of times with different weapons

this has the vibe of a 15 and one team that will show well you're gonna their defense you're challenging their defense might be terrible but you've got a challenge teams are got to figure out a way to stop this right last one guy there's three other guys and last year they did find a way for a while different quarterback right now it feels like the chiefs are lining up with 13 players versus you're 11 right the the play where mahomes doubled back a few times and then scrambled and a three-quarter arm through the touchdown early in the game. It's like I don't know if any other quarterback in the league can make that play. Certainly make that throw.

Maybe Aaron Rogers can make the throw, but I don't know if he even is nimble enough to get to that point. It's just amazing to watch him. I want to point out that he underthrew Tyreek Hill on what could have been a long touchdown and overthrew DeMarcus Robinson on what could have been a long touchdown. Sucks. But then they scored touchdowns anyway. They scored on all five of the first half positions for the first half positions for the

first time in franchise history, they scored touchdown. And through the first two weeks, he had touchdowns that were unscored based on drops and stuff, too. It's like, honestly, he could have, his numbers could be even higher. I mean, and then you flip-side it, and the night, it's two off-season narratives. One where the chiefs came in all off-season, you thought it might be a little bit of hot air, even though you like the idea of Patrick Mahomes, how much they believed in him, and then it's paying out, and then the Niners off-season, which was a hype train flying out of control, and now you've lost your quarterback, and the only really teams that can complain, or the

teams that lose their starting quarterback because injuries happen to everyone and now your season is effectively over the most frustrating thing about it too and a torn ACL early in the season it's just terrible and you feel for gropolo James Palmer actually had video in the in the tunnel of gropolo being taken in the cart and meeting with his family and you just imagine how how crushing that must have been but it also happened on such an unnecessary play where he's scrambling gets out of the pocket picks up yardage he could have stepped out but instead almost inexplicably he plants his left leg and tries to cut up field to collide with

a defender. It wasn't the first time in the game he did that too. And it's one he planted that leg that it went and you know that's all part of the learning curve of a quarterback and unfortunately for Jeremy Gropolo it's probably going to cost him his season. We don't know for sure but Kyle Shanahan said the team fears it

and usually you could such a bummer because kind of takes the 49ers out of the teams that you want to watch each week. They're going to be in some prime time games I was curious to see how this was going to go because I think he struggled. We talked about that the first couple weeks. I don't know how he looked today, Wes, or what your takeaways were.

But just to lose him at all, it's like they have no chance without him. He didn't play as well as his numbers. He's still holding the ball. He was still holding the ball too long and didn't feel like he was trusting what he was seen. But after the chiefs jumped out to a big lead, he started to move the offense more. But you're right. It's a small sample size thing. and I think he's probably going to be saved by the numbers

because after three games he's going to have a 90 pass or any eight yards per attempt. The film doesn't look quite that good, but I don't think it's going to be a narrative that he was terrible this year. Greg, how many C.J. Bethard games are we going to end up watching? Who's their third string quarterback? I should know this up top of my head, but the answer would be 13, you know, if he stays healthy. I think his name is Nick Mullins. I mean...

No, but I mean, in prime time, how many times are going to have to watch this guy? By the way, there is, I did what immediately did flash to my mind as a jet fan as this was the case of not trading Teddy Bridgewater? I was going to ask you that. What would have happened then? Could you have gotten a second? If he's on a one-year deal, it's not like you have to suddenly have a budding heads at quarterback.

He could have slid in right perfectly for the Niners. He's on Monday night football two times. They could flex him out of his Sunday night football. He's on Thursday night as well. So that's at least three. But you do have, you know, that membership down in the lab. And to do that, you're going to have to watch some Bethard. Next game.

I knew there was a benefit for me here. They pitch it out to Albert. Wilson down to four-side line. He's going to go the distance. Albert Wilson, high-fined. He's going to keep breaking. Oh, my man. What a play goal again.

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Nick Shook is here. He's back. He's jacked. He's happy about his Browns. Here we go, Shook, the Dolphins 3-0 for just the third time in the last 20 years, and the pats are on deck. You buying in? Not yet.

Okay. One of the weirder 3-0 starts. You have to wonder if they'd be 3-0 if they hadn't faced a Jets team. team with Sam Darnold, you know, making rookie mistakes here and there. And a Raiders team that cannot finish a game. Three weeks now, they, well, the Rams game, they got blown out in the fourth quarter. But the last two weeks, they have not been able to hold onto their leads and finish games on the road. And it's starting to become a point of frustration if you're a Raiders fan, and especially in this John.

And it comes on the same day. They've blown a second half lead in all three losses. And in the news this morning was that there's some friction inside the building about Gruden's guys versus. maybe Reggie's guys or whoever else's. I feel like we had that new story four or five months ago, but that's right. None of this is surprising. But yeah, this is, oh, and three, it's a worst case scenario. Yeah, but, you know, there's a lot of season left, I guess, next week you get the Browns. So, hey, maybe the Raiders get their first win, or maybe not. I mean, on the

dolphin's side, though, more of the same when they got things going in the second half. You know, they hit some struggles early defensively, letting Jordy Nelson run wild, which I felt like we were in a throwback about four or five years ago. And, but offensively, Tana Hill to Stills is still a thing. You know, three connections today for 61 yards, including a 34-yard touchdown pass. And the real hero of the day was Joachim Grant, had a couple touchdown receptions,

including a touchdown pass from wide receiver, Albert Wilson. Actually, they could kind of compete for it because Bert had his own touchdown reception later in the game to ice it as well. That was the play that the announcers were reacting to as if it was like Eddie Murphy Raw in, like, 1984.

They were all wearing red leather jumpsuits. The biggest comedy special leverage. The dolphins are such a weird three and a team. They deserve credit. Tanna Hill has avoided mistakes. He's mostly made smart decisions. He's had some key runs over the last couple weeks. But this is another game, kind of like the seven-hour game.

It's odd to run 39 plays compared to 74 for the Raiders and have half as many first downs, but they find a way to win. And Adam Gase has something going on in one-score games. He's 16 and 5 in one-score games in his time in Miami. So they find

a way to win these close ones. I was going to say, I thought the Raiders are one of the weirdest teams in memory because all offseason you hear John Gruden telling you this offense will run through Amari Cooper. I will turn Amari Cooper into what everyone believes he should be and he's completely shut down by Xavier and Howard today. One of the reasons you get Jordie Nelson from half a decade ago suddenly making all the plays for a team that feels like a shotgun from a cannon from 2006. I don't know what to say about this Raiders team. But I just did. The thing about that though is that went away after the early parts. I mean they adjusted and you know we're able to stop that but

it's a clash of the weird because you have the weird Raiders team and then you have the dolphins who have won three weird games in a row tavia and howard is really good they have a lot absolutely the dolphins defense has a chance to be really good robert quinn looks like a totally different player making fitzpatrick is is good kiko alonzo seems to turn it on every three years or so and he started this year like on fire they can be a good defense uh and the cynic in me and maybe it's just the jets fan and i don't like to say nice things about the dolphins is they they seem to be exhibiting all the signs of the team that gets out of the gate fast and then fades.

But you can't get to, you can't be hard on a team that's three and oh. They took care of their business and that's it. I think that Dolphins fans should note that at least half of this studio is bashing them and not believing in them and saying they might be frauds. I didn't say. Well, I mean, it's a defensive team. That's the way defensive teams usually are. They're kind of weird.

Wes, what's going on? I don't buy them from them. He has a whole thing with Dolphins fans now. I don't buy them for a minute. But I mean, why kill a team that's knocking off bad teams? At least you're... They did their job. Yeah.

Yeah. So you're three and no. They're sitting pretty. Let's move up. Mariotta takes the snap, running himself. He's got the first down to the 35 to the 40 to the 45, and he's taken down at the 48. That is the maestro. Marcus Mariotta.

Okay. The maestro, Marcus Marietta, Titans Radio with the call there. Marcus Mariotta replaced a concussed, Blaine Gabbardt, led three field goal drives, enough for the Titans to knock off the host Jaguars, nine six on Sunday. The Titans have beaten the Jags three straight times, and Mariotta now has five wins and seven tries against the defending South champs. Nick Shook explained the Jaguars to me.

Last week, they looked Super Bowl ready against the Patriots. Today, the toilet bowl! The first thing I've written atop my notes, in all caps, a whole lot of nothing. That's what this entire game was. Offensively for the Jaguars, Blake Bortles would find a guy occasionally, and he'd drop a pass. he'd have a guy open and he'd overthrow him. And it was just a whole lot of people not doing their jobs offensively.

And I couldn't figure out throughout this game whether this was the Titans defense playing well or the Jaguar is just not executing. And the only part they really executed in for most of the day was on the ground game with T.J. Yeldon, who was fighting through an injury and had to come out for spaces in time in that game. So they couldn't establish anything. And the result is six points.

They tried to fake punt twice. It didn't work. I mean, that's the kind of day it was. I feel like the football gods say, If we're going to give you Falcon Saints, we're also going to give you Titans Jaguars. You can't have something less than this. You have to have a nice little 6 to 3, 6 to 9 type game.

The Saints outgained this game by 80 yards. By themselves? By themselves? Yeah, just them. Someone should point out that Titans own the Jaguars. Yes? For whatever reason, they match up well with a better team. Yeah, but can we do that since there's a new coaching staff in Tennessee?

Who expected them to win this game? As long as Drell Casey's just talking his smack after every game, which he did after this one. And West, you know, was the guy putting kind of the governor onto the Blake Bortles hype throughout the week. Just saying, like, that is who Blake Bortles is, is having one great week and then having the next week where I think he was, I think he had 64 yards at halftime on 18 attempts. It doesn't matter because this game wasn't on national TV, so it won't ever be part of the conversation. Can I just say this too about Marcus Mariotta? Like, he is the franchise still for the Titans, right?

At this point. Yes. How is it then that he's not healthy enough to start the game, but healthy enough to come in? If he's your franchise, he either can play or he can't. I would think that he should not even be in this game if he can't grip a football. I think the backup plan came into order when Blaine Gabbard got knocked out because then they still want to win the game,

and they did end up winning the game, but their next best option. It is an odd situation, though. It's strange. They're saying that he can't make it any worse and that it hurts his accuracy and some of his velocity that he can't grip it. But it is strange. And it's also strange. Like he's winning these games against the Jaguards, often with his legs.

He rushed for 51 yards today. And in a game where that was kind of the key on this three field goal drives, he does have something to these. Yeah, but all I'd say is everyone listening to this show right now has had the moment where you've fallen asleep on your couch, on your arm and you wake up, and you can't even feel anything from the shoulder down. Like, that's not who I want throwing the football for my team. Just throwing it out there.

If you recall, this happened to Carson Palmer a few years ago, where he had a nerve problem with his throwing arm and he had to sit out for a while. I think Mario da, as their franchise quarterback, is open. They have two years, really, to decide on his fifth year option. I don't, you know, I think that's, we'll see. What slowed on a maestro, though? Maestro is someone who's flamboyant.

Is it a Maestro? Or Maestro, they're eccentric, they're running the room. This guy is one of the more, and he's hardworking, I like him, but he's one of the more bland personas in all the league. Maestro is not the nickname we're going with you. Listen, you go on the road, and you shut down the Jaguars and you get a win. Again, same thing with the Dolphins.

I give you credit. Here's your lollipop. But don't tell me the Titans are exciting. Again, this type of football we've been seeing earlier on. Their defense is better than people think. There is something, too, the way that they've won those two games, to put that in the bank kind of early in the season. You were talking to little Patriots action.

In these crazy ways. I think that is, it's a great foundation, a way to kind of start the season. You just got to get better at. You were comparing them to early Patriots. I was saying Mike Rable as a head coach is probably, he would probably love to win a game no other way than the last two weeks. Shouldn't we be given this coaching staff credit to be going through so many tackle and quarterback issues and still winning games?

Well, the last one didn't get it done, so yes. You guys aren't excited by 100 yards passing? No? Oh, we are now? Not generally. Thank you, Nick Scho. Great to see you again. Thanks for having me.

Congrats on your new dynasty in Cleveland. I'm flying high. You should. You can't be touched. Nick and I are holding hands for the sky. I do like Dan's role as the only American rooting against the Browns. Unbelievable. Only the Jets. The second half of that game, sorry, Mark,

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Fire's got a man wide open at the ticks, and he's caught into the end zone. Touchdown. It is Jason Kroom wide open. in touchdown Buffalo. John Murphy, WGR with the call. The bill's entered week three as a 17-and-a-half-point underdog against the Vikings. The desert lies.

Josh Allen played like a trusty veteran, accounting for three touchdowns in his first road start. The bill shocked the Vikings, 27 to 6 in Minneapolis. Mark Sessler, what the f***? Listen, that's the perfect way to open this, because the thing that concerns me the most, for the Vikings, outside of the fact that you manage 14 rushing yards and are dominated by the Bill's defense all day long, is that these games happen where someone rolls in who shouldn't even be in this game and they get a little 17 to nothing lead like they did off of a very bad start for Kirk Cousins with a couple strip sacks, short fields for Buffalo, they manage 17 points

of it. You still had 45 minutes if you're the Vikings at home to wind your way out of this and you found no way to do it. This wasn't a fluke. this game on its own in the sense that Josh Allen finally played in a way that we hope he used his legs. He did not make killer mistakes. He did have an interception that was dropped. But then Kirk Cousins in the second half turns around and throws a killer pick. They never found their way in this game. And now you have a short week. I don't know if they were looking past the bills because on Thursday night you have to deal with the juggernaut that is the Los Angeles Rams. But if you did look past them and there was a moment in this game where Mike Zimmer was caught by Tracy Wolfson

of CBS saying, oh my God, it's 27 to nothing. You were caught off guard in this game, and it is a hyper-concerning footnote in week three for this Vikings team to have this happen. I think it's extremely troubling loss. And, you know, I said it even before the season started. The Vikings were on my radar a little bit as a team. Keep an eye on them because everyone had them penciled in to be a juggernaut again this year.

And maybe they will. Maybe this is just a bump in the road. But also there's so much pressure on this team to build off last season. And to me, this is a loss. I kept on waiting. I didn't get a chance to watch this yet, but I kept on waiting. I saw 10-0-0.

Okay, blip in the radar. They'll get back in. 17-0-0. What? 24-0-0. And then I lose track of the game. We get back to it. It's midway through the fourth quarter,

and they still don't have a point. And you're wondering how the hell a team that has this much talent could be that badly outplayed against such a poor team missing with Sean McCoy. I wish we still had the, I wish you weren't a liar drop because Mike Zimmer insisted after the game they did not overlook the bill. And I think that's exactly what. what happened here, but credit to the bills, my apologies for treating them like a laughing

stock. And Josh Allen, I was so happy to see him play well, because people have written him off, and he is so talented. So my mind is open on him. I just didn't think they had enough surrounding talent, but their defense must have been a buzz salted it. And we've talked about it. I don't think there's that much of a difference on one day between professional teams. That's why there hasn't been an upset this big, according to Vegas and so long. It's because there aren't lines that big because Jerry Hughes is collecting a $10 million paycheck and he's a professional, whichever team he's on. And he happened to have one of the most insane days, you know, according to ESPN stats that anyone's ever had. He had 15 pressures. What is the most since

next gen stats has been keeping that as an official stat in one day. It was blocking him. Right. So he goes crazy. Lorenzo Alexander has a monster date. Eric Flowers. Tremaine Edmins, who's been kind of a, had a tough start to his career. The first couple of games plays. well. And we remember that, hey, this bill's defensive staff did pretty well. And that to me is almost the more surprising part of this equation is that their defense, the bills that is, who had really struggled, played this well for four. Well, I wasn't here last week, but it was two weeks ago that you mentioned that Sean McDermott is a guy that does find a way to dig out of holes. And he's done it before. And what a scenery altering win, because this felt like a guy who

could have been out of the league in eight weeks. It things kept on the way they were. They look the worst team that we'd seen in many years and suddenly this happens it's a completely unpredictable league just crazy that's one of the bigger upsets you'll see this season if not the biggest unless the Vikings are as good as we thought we shall find out or it's just one week or it's just one week let's find out black will play action rolls to the right being chased he talks he wants to run flaco turns a corner he's got the first down to the 25 yard line and with 236 left to play The hay's in the barn. Ah, ha.

The hay indeed is in the barn. Of course, that is Jerry Sandusky of WBAL. Lamar, who? Joe Flacco scrambled to his right, got where he needed to go. First down, locked up the Ravens, 27-14 win over the Broncos in Baltimore. Flacco was efficient, not flashy. And the Ravens' defense held Case Keenham and the Broncos under 300 yards of total offense. I wouldn't say that this was the most memorable game.

It's not a game that when you gentlemen fire up your game pass accounts are going to, it's going to blow your minds. But this is a Ravens win. This is what the Ravens do. And when the Ravens are right, they get enough from their offense and their defense does the job. And that's exactly what happened here. Denver, after a pretty good start, just could not get anything going.

I mean, they, I think they were up 14-0-0 in this game and then had punt after punt after punt, or they put up 14 points. Wasn't there a punch mixed in there with the punts? Yes, there was a punch by a super rookie Philip Lindsay after a Case Keenum was stripped by Terrell Suggs, who's still making plays at age 35, and there was a scramble on the ground. I think Terrell Sugg's been 35 for four years? I would agree with that. Maybe he's 36, I could be wrong. But Philip Lindsay was in the mix. Philip Lindsay in the mix.

He kind of a couple of rabbit punches. And unfortunately for Mr. Lindsay, it was right in front of an official. So he gets disqualified from the game. I know Lindsay has played really well in the first two weeks, but I'm not ready to say that was going to be the difference in this game. I think Denver just did not have anything after those initial drives. And Denver should also be noted they're banged up in their secondary. Adam Jones suffered a thigh injury.

He left the game. cornerback germane brock also got hurt in this game injured his groin so the broncos um come down to earth a little bit and the ravens again they just look i think they're going to be in the mix this year i think this to me looks like a good team let me ask you one question because i saw that at the end of the third quarter denver had more penalty yards than passing yards who that canem at one point had 56 yards two passes knocked down three sacks and a fumble before throwing a pick the one thing about case Keenham in week one and two is that he's had these turnovers but he's battled back and he's shown no fear of still making tight window passes and some of them have worked out what happened today

was it more Baltimore's defense because the the turnaround never happened for him I think it is what it is like I think a lot of people thought this that Keenham in a perfect situation last year played the best football of his life but this is kind of who case Keenham is if you lower the talent level around them if you ramp up the defenses you put them on the road that you're going to get kind of a hot and cold performance, and that's what you got from Keenham on Sunday. I think that's fair. You're not saying he's going to be a disaster and an awful signing, just that he's not going to carry an offense, and he's going to make some mistakes.

They used to have a difference making defense, obviously, and every year it gets slightly worse. And now they're at the point where I think you have to wonder, is the defense an asset or a liability? Are they an average defense? And I don't see the equation for the Broncos to make the playoffs or be good if they're an average. or below average even. They need the defense to be better. And there was a lot of, oh.

Lock it up. Uh-oh. West is on fire early on. I liked your move here, too, because you took the Broncos the first two weeks of the season, right? Yeah, I'm having like a Miami Dolphins level September here. You got a little Mercury-Rmorest thing going on right now.

Your one went away from this year's dolphins. Oh, okay. Listen, the record's the record. So you didn't mean 17 and 0. You had three and three that's going to turn into 8-8. Got like a seven-hour game in the hottest. game against the Titans in history and then squeaked by the Jets, squeak by the Raiders.

You're doing a nice job so far, West. You're three and O in the locks, which leads the way. And I believe ATN lock it up. The Twitter handle said you are the first member of our team to ever start three and O to a season. That's ominous. It usually does turn around on you. In the like, you know, vaunted three-year history.

Two-year even. Did we start? No, no. Here's Gregsman. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, I'm not to diminish the contest. This is the third year. This is the first time we did it from week one on, though.

We're in at least the third year, Greg. It's only the second. This is the third. You didn't win, and you're not winning this year. Well, I know winter is coming was two years ago. Right, but we didn't start the season. The trophy was handed out for the first time at Super Bowl 52. And Erica Tamposi, the loose cannon behind the glass.

Hey, guys. How are you? Good. How are you? Good. Remember, we will need a trophy to be handed out after Super Bowl 53 as well. Of course. This time to one person, and I'm talking to you right now.

And I would say budget, I don't know, a million dollars for the trophy. Let's get the 283 diamonds, Robert Kraft-style, on this sucker. Let's move on. Newton fakes a flip, goes back, left side caught Anderson with blockers. 20 to the 10. Highline left side. Hutsdown. He had a police escort all the way down the sideline.

Well, young man. Whoa, young man. WC.K.Y. Dan Horde, Dave Lapham. How about that? There you go. Cam Newton threw for two touchdowns, ran for two more. Christian McCaffrey racked up a career high,

184 yards on the ground, and the Carolina Panthers took care of the Bengals, gave them their first loss of the season at 31, 21 victory for Carolina. Mark Sessler, is it true? Is it really true? Inquiring minds want to know. Inquiring minds want to know. Kim Christian McCaffrey run between the tackle.

I spotted that today. He did that effectively. And that trope, if that's a question slash trope, is been answered. He looked the part today, finally. Are you happy? Well, no, this. The tackles question.

He had never crossed 100 yards on the ground in his career. I just now looked at the box score, and my eyes popped out of my head. I was not expecting to see 28 for 184 for Christian McKay. They really wrote him. The offense went right through him today, and this was a bit of a white knuckle affair. It's one of those games where you're in the third quarter,

and when we're writing these things up, I'm like, I have no concept of what to write about in this game because it's sort of so blasé, but then it took shape because what happened I thought was that the Bengals whose offense I still believe in, they were without Joe Mixon today, and A.J. Green left with the groin injury early in the second half, and they really were limited

at that point what they could do. And you look at Dalton, he had four picks, and you can say utter disaster. Two of them were late game sort of heaves that were not really part of what happened earlier on. He had some nice drives, too. But the problem with the Bengals is they were basically, I thought, overpowered down the stretch by a newcomer, two of them in Carolina. Effie Obada, the Nigerian-born London sourced.

Nigerian Nightmare 2.0? I will tell you something. This guy was a house on fire. He generated a strip sack that went back into the Bengals possession after review, but then caught an interception that went through a pile of people. And then a late game sack that detonated Andy Dalton really put this game out of hand. And then you've got Dante Jackson, the rookie cornerback, who has three picks in two in two weeks, two of them coming today, and those turnovers ultimately undid the Bengals. When you get Andy Dalton, he's going to turn the ball over four times. When I'd say two of them were genuinely meaningful, that changed this game because the Panthers just had too much going on with Cap McCafferty and then Cam Newton, who looks, I think, to me, slimmer and faster and more spry than he has in a while.

Credit to Henry Hodgson, who was out there personally bird-dogging, scouting F.A. Obata throughout his college career and through London. It's an amazing journey if you don't know his backstory. Who? Handsome Hank. Obata. Equally amazing. And for this journey. And I think he's been, you know, within the NFL since 2015, and this was his first game.

It's called the International Player Pathway, I believe. The path that he took. Hank Bankrolls at himself. Right. I mean, it's a pretty incredible thing that this is the, his first snaps he ever got, just 19 snaps in this game, and he ends up making that crazy of an impact, maybe a little game ball action. You're going to give it to him?

I'm saying he should have. He probably did get it. He earned it. It was kind of incredible to watch him just make. I think he, even on the sideline, they shot to him a couple times, he was laughing wildly. I think he was probably surprised by what was happening. The Panthers and North Turner deserves some credit. I kind of mentioned that let's get this running game going on the last show. they do lead the league in yards per carry before this game, and that's largely because of Cam Newton,

but Cam Newton is a part of their running attack. And so they are kind of getting back to what Ron Rivera wants, especially with this before. It also left me a little concerned about Cincinnati's front seven, which I think is a good front seven, but then they got slashed the way they did today. It was not what you want out of that defense. Well, you mentioned the NFL pathway program.

Is it time to check in? And now? Another edition of Keeping Up a Bowringer. Anybody have anything? I don't have a lot on that player that we're discussed. No, Bo? All right, we actually don't have it. We got nothing.

And that was Keeping Up with Bowringer. And that was another edition of Keeping Up with Bowring. Henry's going to kill it. Anything else in this game. You were like a one-man good cop, bad cop. Yeah, it's like a one-man good cop, bad cop. Like literally after maybe the nicest moment in NFL international player history. And then you just had to take it down.

I got one now and you paid it like that. There are at least like four or five weeks per season where I think Ron Rivera is one of the most underrated coaches in the league. Give him some credit. He's been there for a long time and they're usually in the playoffs. By the way, Obata did get the game ball. Oh, heck. And his teammates seem to be loving it just as much.

Look at that. Rosenthal, vindicated in a huge spot. Let's move on. Calls out the signals. Takes the snap. Back to throw. Steps up. Fires to the end zone.

Touchdown Giants. Sterling Shepard. Bob. Poppa. WFAN with the call. Eli Manning threw for 297 yards and two touchdowns. And Seekwan Barkley added a touchdown of his own as the Sheelah. Got their first win of the season, a 27,

22 conquest over the winless Houston Texans. Greg Rosenthal, the Giants were ennapt on offense in the first two weeks. What changed here? They had a great game plan, Eli Manning got the ball out quickly. Yeah, he did. Especially to O'Dell Beckham and Sterling Shepard. Not a lot deep down the field, but at least in stride, gave them a chance to make plays after the catch.

But what really struck me was a third and one play late in the fourth quarter where the Giants had gone about four or five. straight drives where they hadn't done anything. They looked like they did a week ago again, and you have Sequin Barclay lined up as a wide receiver in an empty set on third and one, and that's the matchup that Eli Manning chooses to go to. Is Saquan Barclay on a linebacker way out wide?

Barclay beats him easy, gets the first down. They wind up scoring the touchdown that puts the game away. And I just thought, like, last year's Giants aren't doing that. And for one week at least, Giants fans got to see a different vision of the Giants that would be a lot more fun to watch. afterglow of this event, are you finally ready to put Eli Manning where he belongs in Canton? Well, he has to wait five years after his career is over to do that. He did beat the 2018 Texans. Right. Right. Like, just like the Titans have. Barclay took too much criticism last

week. I thought he made the first guy miss almost every time. And he looked solid in this game. It was a lot more four or five yard runs, which I think the Giants will be really happy to see rather than, you know, a lot of short ones in big plays. And just like we're saying with, I was saying with Eli last week, He played poorly the first two weeks, but that offensive line was so not even competitive, I thought, for stretches of the first two games. Eric Flowers got himself benched in this game. I mean, by the sounds of it, maybe.

Well, before the game. Yeah, before the game, he got benched for Chad Wheeler, I believe. And J.J. Watt came in and just destroyed Wheeler. He abused him. Throughout the game. Eric Flowers maybe will be back in next week. Which made our buddy Chris Wesleyan look smart, who's been honking about J.J. Watt's about to go on a Sack Street,

And all he did was get three sacks, four tackles for loss, I think, in this game of force fumble. He had a monster game, but it wasn't enough. Well, thanks to the mind of Dan Hanses, our hot takes are accountable now. Oh, accountable hot takes every Tuesday on the around the NFL Twitter show, new one coming up on 430 Eastern 130 Pacific on Twitter. Yes, Wes has an accountable hot take that involves J.J. Watt going nuts over the next month. But this is, you know, what we talked about all summer, Texans were a boomer bust. team and it is bust oh and three there's no coming back that history tells us from o and three and

and and shan watson's a part of it uh gregg i i was seeing a lot of tweets out there that he was struggling again at least early on early on especially and this has been a pattern where he in week one that this was the case and then in this game as well where the only plays they were making where if he was just back behind the offensive line for seven seconds kind of improvising there was very little on schedule he just wasn't very accurate but the running game was really killed them. Lamar Miller had 10 carries for 10 yards. I feel like last year, we knew that

line was not good, but somehow Deshawn Watson spun magic and was able to get away from pressure and make these incredible plays against teams that had no tape on them, perhaps. But the line now, from what little I'm seeing of the Texans this week in the last two weeks, the line is going to doom them. It's hurt them. I don't know if

that was it today, but to your point, they were running all sorts of creative, crazy stuff last year with Deshawn Watson. Everyone remembers that, right? And this year you kind of just look at them and they're running a regular NFL offense and it's not the same. Bill O'Brien's butt might be getting hot soon.

A little warm. There were expectations in that town and they are not. Just got an extension. Yeah, he just signed later than any coach in the NFL except for Gruden. He just made the power move where he got his own GM sign too.

You would think. You would think he'd be okay. But got to win some games. They've been in each one of these games. Mark, that's what it's about. That's what it's about. That is the structure here. That's the ultimate barometer

in the National Football League is do you win football game? You are what your record says you are. I mean, suddenly we're winning games in Central Queens, but that's a separate issue. Not about how many lollipops you can collect. Let's move on. Play action, fake.

He's got time. He's floating it down the middle. Looking for Richardson at the 10, goes down at the 5 o'clock, and into the end zone for Wittskins touchdown. What a pass and catch in Richardson went down at the one and rolled over into the end zone for the score.

Larry Michael W-T-E-M with the call. Adrian Peterson ran for 120 yards and a pair of two-yard touchdowns. Al Smith threw two touchdown passes, including that dime he just heard to Paul Richardson. And the Washington Redskins held on 31-17, a victory over Aaron Rogers and the Green Bay Packers. And gentlemen, this game featured a Packers team that I did not like watching very much. I did not like watching Aaron Rogers on. a bad knee that's not getting better and a bad hamstring. Out there looking like he's 1976, Joe Namath.

He just couldn't move. It's like the 10-man. 76. Stop. And I mean, just watching the game, it was bad. And that's what's worth, what's kind of a sneaky great about Rogers and what's makes him so special is not just his accuracy and his arm strength and the swagger, which is all, you know, top of the list.

But also his maneuverability and how easily he moves. and out of traffic and how he could pick up yardage with his legs and create time. And that stuff he's still able to do on some level, but it's becoming more and more compromise the more his body gets beat up. So are you saying they should sit him? No, I wouldn't go that far. Although, let's see, how bad is his hamstring? He just wasn't moving well.

I think he gives them a better chance to win even in this state than Deshaun Kaiser. So the answer would be no. But the other problem is when Rogers is not 100%, you need the guy, around him to step up. And this was a really poor performance by his skill position players around him. I'll single out two guys. Tight-in Lance Kendrick had a killer.

Terrible, pathetic drop on a beautiful dime pass from Rogers that he put right on the money. It would have been about a 40-yard game. This is right when the Packers are trying to get some momentum going. They're playing from behind in this whole game. and Kendrix kind of looks it into his hands and never has good grip on it and drops it. And then Randall Cobb, who used to be a rising star in this league and, you know, he was out on the trade market reportedly over the summer.

Again, was not helping the team in this game. He had a drop. He had a fumble. Just not a guy that's making plays. Another relatively quiet game for Jimmy Graham. Devante Adams did some nice things. Geronimo Allison had a nice deep ball touchdown. but other than that, the skill players let Rogers down.

So they're kind of in a weird spot right now. Cobb with four catches off 11 targets. I know there were some drops in there, like you said. I saw the Adrian Peterson highlights, and it looked like 2012 Adrian Peterson. He looks awesome. There was one play. Jump cuts were really exposed.

Yeah, there was one jump cut where it really did look like 2012 Peterson, where he did a jump cut, got to the outside, and then went up the sideline for about 30 yards. He was at 85 yards midway through the second quarter. He slowed down a little bit in the second half, but still went for 120. One of the touchdowns should not have counted, but the referees got it wrong on the field

and there was such a dog pile that you couldn't even overturn it. But, Wes, you're right, just like you were right when you called it before the season started. Peterson is a major asset for this team and they're leaning hard on him. They leaned on them to close out the game,

which he helped do. And this was just another also good game for Alex Smith, who was just so splendidly consistent in his goodness. No, never greatness, but just goodness. He moves the team. team. He gets the ball in the right people's hands. Only you have to throw the ball 20 times, which is if you're Jay Gruden, you're loving that.

And the Redskins are a reminder. It's so early. All these teams are just forming and we're trying to figure out. The Redskins basically had perfect week one, week three, in a disastrous week two. Yeah, week two is the week that I decided to lock up this team. Sandwich two awesome games around an utter dud against the coach. But you're looking for things that will last. In Peterson, that's something they have to be really excited about and then Jonathan Allen that kid's a ball player I mean two more two more sacks today and that's something okay we got we got a real difference maker in the middle of their line and finally almost impossibly we're going to have to talk about this again Clay Matthews

breaks through the line uh makes a B line for the quarterback goes shoulder to the side hits him right center square in the chest kind of goes down hard because that's what happened happens when professional athletes collide at a high rate of speed and then raises his hands even as he's like coming off Alex Smith just to ensure he doesn't get a flag even exaggerates it I did not try to here comes the flag and again and this is infuriating the NFL makes the unusual step to reach out to the broadcast to immediately back the officials call saying he put all or some of his body weight onto the quarterback so that was a good call that we back which is baloney bad job by the NFL and look at uh the way Twitter reacts and the bad vibes that this is creating.

Here's what Clay Matthews had to say after the latest issue. Unfortunately, this league is going in the direction. I think a lot of people don't like. You know, I think they're getting soft. And the only thing hard about this league is the fines that they levy down on guys like me who play the game hard. I have to give Clay Matthews credit. He actually restrained himself where I think a lot of people would go nuts in that situation. Mike McCarthy did.

I almost got kicked out of the game. I tweeted that I thought he was like a. man trapped in a Kafka novel at this point because two weeks in a row in this in these questionable environment this one today he even went up to Alex Smith and said I'm sorry what else could I have possibly done there the soft argument is going to go nowhere and this is all corners of the country are criticizing the NFL for being soft for trying to take hitting out of the game stop it's never going to go anywhere they're trying to make the game as safe as possible that that argument is going to be left behind it's never going to work take the argument that the role is confused

using and it puts defensive players in a bad spot. You have to know what you're allowed to do. An impossible spot. Yeah, I think that's the problem. It's not the soft thing. All the defenders wait on the quarterback rule, it's funny how that slips so much under the radar compared to the helmet rule in the preseason.

That's the source of all of these problems, really. The time where they're roughing the passer and they're hitting the helmet, and generally I agree with all of those calls, this seems like an impossible rule to officially. If we're going for safety, when they teach you how to tackle when you're young, like, what this hit today on Alex Smith was not a dangerous hit. So what, so something's lost here in translation. Didn't the Ron Payne pick up Rogers and body slam him in this game and not get a penalty called?

That's a thing. That happens a couple times. You can pick out four or five times that happens throughout the week that doesn't get called. Clay Matthews actually sought out Alex Smith after the game. Exactly. And asked, hey, did that seem bad to you? Because he's as lost as everyone else. Well, you're having quarterbacks now and it's happened last.

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Here's a Hail Mary, and it is batted down and incomplete, and that's the ball game. WIP Merrill Reese with the call. Carson Wentz through a touchdown pass. This first drive in nine months, Wendell Smallwood ran in from the four-yard line to put the Eagles ahead for good, and they won 20 to 16 over the Colts. The Eagles needed to come from behind in this one, surviving a final Hail Mary attempt, as you heard it, Jacobi Bissette. They moved to two and one on the season.

Wes. What was Wences' rust level on this one? He came out and had an impressive first drive. I think 12 plays, about 75 yards, led him on a touchdown drive, showed escapeability. You know how Carson Wins is? He's going to run into some sacks because he keeps plays alive

and he's going to get out of some sacks because he has that Houdini-like escapeability. He showed all that. For the middle part of the game, second, third, beginning of the four quarters, the defense, the offense got shut down. He came through, aided by some Colts penalties, one that was especially a head scratcher on Jabal's sheer defensive holding at the line of scrimmage that helped them convert a third

down and get into the end zone to take the lead late in the game. Sort of a mixed bag for Carson Wentz. For Andrew Luck, we've commented that he's looked better, I think, on tape than his 5.9 yards per attempt through two weeks probably indicated but how did he look today the numbers are even worse four yards per attempt a career low four yards per attempt and i think if you entered this game and you thought okay he's got the lowest depth of target in the league which means he's not passing deep at all because it's good coaching their left tackles out their skill petition skill position talent isn't very good they have no running game get the ball out quickly and then on the final here's

of facts in this game. He's got less than 100 yards late in the game. Like middle of the fourth quarter, he doesn't even have 100 yards. Their best play is luck throwing it a rainbow and then Ty Wylton getting defensive pass interference, which happened a couple of times in this game. And then down the stretch, it's weird how narratives go because if T.Y. Hilton locates a fade pass and they take the lead, we never see this final desperation drive when he's checking down the whole time, never trying to threaten down the field. He's just checking down. They get the midfield, almost midfield, they bring in Jacoby Brissette for the Hail Mary, and everyone's wondering what's wrong with Andrew Luck's arm. I think, to me, that's a sure sign that Reich is admitting

Andrew Luck's arm isn't where it needs to be. Maybe he's not Chad Pennington. Maybe he's still working back to get that arm strength, but no other quarterback in the league gets pulled in this situation. They're not concerned about his volume. Let's just hear, let's hear Luck what he said about this. But Jacobi has a stronger arm than I do. I mean, It's sort of what I see in practice. And you can ask, you know, the coach, I was like, Coach Wright obviously thinks that as well. And I'll keep working on getting my arm to where, you know, where it, maybe it can't hit an 80-yard throw from the minus 30.

But, no, I think it was, you know, no qualms with that decision. I'll say this, as much as that Hail Mary, what bothered me was the plays before that. There were 43 seconds left. He could have worked down for, he could have worked down to get the ball down the field. and instead he was just taking easy checkdowns for four or five yards, no desire whatsoever to test the Eagles down the field. I mean, it can't be concerned at all about his durability or status physically right now. He threw the ball 53 yards in the opener, 31 last week, 40 today.

They're a very weird offense. They don't have a running back cross 19 yards today, and they don't have a receiver go for more than 50. It just seems like Reich is having to work with what he has with Andrew Luck and the surrounding cast right now. And we've thought that they've been scrappy, and they were scrappy. They had a lead in Philadelphia in the fourth quarter, and yet you come out of this game. I think if you're an Eagles fan, you feel pretty great,

that you only gave up 209 yards. The defense is rounding into shape, and you have Carson Wentz back, and you're two and one. You've got through this part of the season. How about Darius Leonard? Darius Leonard and Marcus Hunt, both extremely impressive again this week. Let's move on to the Battle of Los Angeles. Goff takes this snap.

Well protected, it breaks down. He wants to run. Now throws right side. Super Cup behind the defense in potting the 30, gets through an ankle tackle to the 20. Cook's going to go. Touchdown, L.A. J.B. Long, oh, jaunty. And that was MJD with, oh, wow.

KSBN with the call. Jared Goff threw for 354 and three touchdowns, including that connection with Cooper Cup, leading the Rams to a 3523 win over the Chargers, who simply could not keep up with the best offense in the NFC. Greg, typical Bolt's game for me. They move the ball in offense, make place to stay in the game, but they make some mistakes also, and you can't do that against the Rams in their building.

No, they were playing the best overall team in the league right now, and the Rams are just so hard to stop that every possession that they don't score a touchdown feels like such a win for the defense. It's such a surprise. And I'm really surprised that this was the week where the conversation, for whatever reason, became, is Jared Goff a system quarterback, or is he something else?

For some reason, that was on every show this week. But why this week? Because he's coming off the best three-game stretch maybe of his career. He looks awesome. This was one of the best games of his career. He had one interception, which he'd like to get back. But other than that, he's been playing great over the last couple of weeks, especially today, fit in the ball into tight windows.

Him and Robert Woods have such a great connection. And Brandon Cooks has rounded out this offense that they are just so tough to stop that they line up with the same person. every freaking snap all season, basically, but they do it in such different ways that no one has any idea how to stop it. Yeah, until it changes, I'm going to enter every week,

assuming that the Rams have an unfair advantage due to Sean McVeigh's beautiful mind. Right. In continuity, in players. Like the top two-rated tackles in football this week in terms of pass protection were the Rams' two tackles, according to pro football focus. So you can't run on this team.

that's the idea is that you should be able to, but when you really look at it, it's Brock, Sue, and Donald next to each other, and it's hard to find a weakness unless Akeeb Talib and Marcus Peters are both seriously hurt. They both left this game, Peters with a calf injury, Talib with an ankle,

and so that's got to be making Vikings fans feel a little better. That's a short week. I'm annoyed by the golf narrative because the team itself, and I feel like they're really honest, McVeigh is really honest about where the offense is. He does maybe give everyone, credit and not himself, but they talked about Goff becoming an extension of the coaching staff.

I feel like he's someone that's grown and made leaps and bounds from last year, and he's a warning to any team that has a young quarterback and doesn't want to surround them with the best possible offensive coaches, which some teams seem to not do. Meanwhile, with the Chargers, I am sorry, I cannot at this point sit through many more weeks of this. I have Chargers exhaustion. It is every week. Listen, I get that it's the Rams this week, so fair enough. It is the same game over and over. They need Joey Bosa back, and they also, I'm going to lock this one up, needed that W, moved to one and two, but they really, they need Joey Bosa back, and they just got to

clean it up on special teams. Yeah, right. Guess what, not holding my breath. They miss an extra point, and they also get a punt blocked in the ends. During when James had a great red zone interception and then foolishly try to run it out and got forced out at the one-yard line, which led to two runs that almost ended up. into safety and then a block punt. So they just make those mistakes and they just, they were outclassed.

I mean, McVeigh is not the only difference making coach on this team. Wade Phillips, obviously, is as well. And then John Fossel is a monster advantage. I mean, you come up with a block punt. You find this return guy. What was his name last week? Jojo Natson. Jojo Natsin, who looks like the second coming of, you know, Eric Metcalfe.

And he was their backup because they're replacing another Pro Bowl return O'Faro. Cooper. It's like, I don't know what Fossel does. Someone should just hire him to be their head coach because at least you get his special time. How about this for a hot take? You could replace John Fossel with former 2020 correspondent John Stossel and you'd still make the Chargers special teams look bad. Just put Stossel in there for the Rams and he'd scheme away to take advantage of what the charges do. The NFL in the interest. John Stossel, you out there? In the interest of helping the Los Angeles market should give John Fossil to the Stop. No.

To keep John Fossel where he is so he can do what he does best. Chargers, figure your own issues out. It is exhausting to watch this team right now. You know what they could do. Hire John Stossel. That's an answer. Next.

Shotgun snap. They come after Rosen, back the throw. Fires right side. It is intercepted at the 32-yard line. That was an easy pick in front of Christian Kirk by Bryce Callahan. With 1-10 to go in the game, the Bears take over leading 1614. That's a disappointment from Dave Pasch of K-T-A-R.

Josh Rosen replaced a battered and ineffective Sam Bradford, but he wasn't enough to spark the Cardinals who fell to 0-N-3 after a 16-14 loss of the Bears. Chicago was down 14-Zip in the second half, but Mitch Trubisky let a touchdown drive, two field goal drives as well to pull it out. Mark Sessler, the Bears, of course, are the team around the NFL,

but you were grumbling throughout the afternoon about their quarterback? Well, I think the team's quarterback is Khalil Mack, who once again was the most dominant player on the team. Well, it is an interesting strategy. I don't know where they'd be without them right now. You mean like figuratively? Figuratively.

Not literally. I haven't watched the game. He did not come in on offense. They're just tough for me to watch. I really enjoy the fact that they're, I think for Bears fans, number one, you're two and one. You're probably like shut up right now. We haven't been two and one in a thousand years.

We'll take it. We'll march on. This was a white knuckle affair. It was, you know, two teams trying to figure each other out. But the Bears' offense to me, it's like you're going, we're going to see this game over and over. It is a very talented stack defense that probably in the locker room has to be asking themselves, what on earth do we need to do more that one of these defenses to get our offense to compliment us? And it's, it, I just wonder, and it is too early to say, and I got killed before the season for sharing my concerns about Chibisky.

Well, no, it was like, I don't know. That's just not a fair question. It's like, listen, I just, all right, well, I am now legit concerned because I just wonder if he is a. I knew that was on your mind this whole time. That's why you're so mad. Is he a breakout proof? I don't even remember it. I just wonder if he's a breakout proof quarterback because I'm just watching someone who has accuracy issues that show up over and over in the game.

I love him when he's mobile and he's running, but that cannot be what Mitch Trubisky offers you a quarterback. I'm really concerned at this point. And I think they, like, they've got nice parts around them to some degree. I totally believe in the coaching staff. But everyone who wanted to think you're going to get Sean McVeigh and Jared Gough part two, well, you don't have that. And that's not happening in the next month or two for this season. What did happen in the offseason, Mark, you were saying,

should we be nervous about Chibisky? And what I think the rest of the room said was maybe it's not going to be Jared Gough, Sean McVeigh, part two. but he was being coached by John Fox and Friends last year. It was almost like you got to like John Fox and Friends. That's pretty good. You always had to throw it out. But now that we have a little bit more data with a new staff

and an offensive-minded head coach who is really well thought of, now I think it's fair if you're a Bears fan and it's still early, but to be a little bit nervous about Chubisky and whether he can hack it for a team that's looking to compete for the playoffs. Yeah, I think what I noticed in the first two weeks was his footwork is an issue, especially on intermediate and deep throws. And you're right, Mark, when he's on the run, that's when he's a good quarterback.

But what about in the pocket? Like that's all fine, but they were down 14-0-0 on the road and they won the game. And like bears have not had many seasons where you could be anything but thrilled with the win. And I do think it is a team sport here and I think the bears are going to be

an interesting team in the mix. Yeah, they might be, their quarterback is not going to be their strongest position, but they were able to get out of that hole, eventually turn it around by shutting down San Bradford, getting some turnovers, setting up their offense, and making the plays at the end. So you have this new coaching staff, and for the first time and for a while, even if Trubisky is struggling, it's like, all right, these are real signs of progress. I'll give that, like I said, they're two and one, and if you're a Bears fan, you've been in the dark ages for so long that you don't want to hear negativity coming off a game like this. At the same time, it's just that this is the thing, you trade it up for Mitch Trubisky. This is the guy that you scouted and said he can be it with this great class coming out this year.

You thought he was better than Patrick Mahomes. Exactly. And I just, there's a lingering sort of feeling of Dissie. Like, I'm a little concerned if I'm a Bears fan outside of a fascinating defense. I was thinking about, you know, sometimes I try to bring things back. Thinking of bringing something back. You ready? Go.

Ready? Is it? Okay. Let's go. What, do you want to guess? It's somehow Josh Rosen relief. You ready? The Bears.

No. No. Haven't you been doing that on this podcast for a while? How about this? How about this? Dicca. Bringing those back. All right, fine. I just don't feel like it's...

No, that is another phrase that is not gone away for it to come back. It's not gone away long enough. Why did we think about putting Josh Rosen in down two points with just over two minutes left? I've seen a lot of criticism like, oh, you're putting him in such a bad spot. What are you talking about? Sam Bradford was dreadful for three straight quarters. Give the kid a shot. He's going to be starting to...

Did you see what happened? That's fine. No problem with it. What's wrong with that? You tried to give your team a spark because Bradford was a lifeless. Can we have to do this every time a quarterback comes into a game, like examine every facet of it? I think it's fine.

Didn't work out. The guy got yanked because he deserved to get yanked and they put in the rookie. It could have beat the Bears. Don't get upset about it. It just was look at Baker Mayfield in Cleveland. You put the kids in that you think could be the friend. That worked out pretty well, Dan. Whatever, bro.

I'm just saying. Oh, no, he did it. Unnecessary, Mark. Now I'm pushing back my reading of your long form one more week. Oh, it will survive. Let's move on. Stop. Looks to the end zone.

Fires down the middle of all. We're up to 14 days. The back of me. Is it not? No. Yes. No. Show me, Mr.

Official, yes. Earl Thomas. Very polite. Steve Rable with the call. K-I-R-O. Earl Thomas's fourth quarter interception, a second of the game. Huge play. Both of them. Seahawks 2413 win over the Cowboys.

Thomas now has three picks in three weeks despite missing all training camp in the preseason during a contract holdout. And now, from what we're understanding, a regular season hold in, whatever that means. Anyway, Wes, both teams finished with about 300 yards of total offense, but Seattle got a win they desperately needed. I think this is creative. Like, if the NFL players aren't going to get guaranteed contracts and you're as good as Earl Thomas is and you've meant as much to that franchise as he is, and you don't want to pay him, he's having a hold-in. He doesn't want to put his body in danger during the week.

He sat after the game, even if I have a headache, if I'm not 100% I'm not practicing. And then he goes out and he's the best player on the field during the game. And everyone seemed to, no one seemed to have a problem with it, at least during the game, even the coaches are, you know,

everyone's slapping. Everybody should have a hold in. Nobody needs to practice. No, I don't. I think it's a creative. Let's all break all the rules. It's a creative solution. Okay, whatever.

Pay him. Pay him or trade? Why don't they trade him then? I do like the phrase hold in, though. I think Jay Glaze came up with that. Is it like a, does he sleep in the bed with Yoko Ono? Like, what does it entail? Wouldn't he prefer this than Levi-on-Bel holding out?

Like, to me, at least he's showing up there on game day. He's either trade him or pay him. He's getting creative. I mean, it's kind of amazing that he did this in the week that they were playing against the Cowboys, that he picks off two passes against the Cowboys, and then he gestures to the Cowboys. sideline after one of the picks, which was basically a gesture. He explained as, if you wanted to trade me and extend me, you should have done it.

And I'm just like, yeah, Earl Thomas is just... Well, all right. Let's slow down just a little bit, though, because number one, Earl Thomas and Lev Bell are not the same situation. But I don't want to see Lev Bell, who's a malcontent at this point, all right? I just don't like the way that... I don't like the whole locker room there to begin with it. Lev Bell, his solution is to simply give zero effort during the week, then roll in on

game day, have a nice game. No, no, no, no. We're saying, extending this to Lev Bell. Earl Thomas, I think, like, it's someone when they completely redid the whole team, Earl Thomas probably needed to go. I always thought they probably should have traded him and gotten this thing done. Lev Bell, I don't agree with the idea that we give him, oh, you just rest for six days. Should we talk about this game a little bit?

Here's an argument, though, just because the Earl Thomas thing is fascinating. There's a strong argument he's the greatest player in franchise history, and he's still playing great. So it's a unique situation. It's not your normal player. Anything else on the game? The Cowboys' offense is a mess. Their offensive line got outplayed by the Seahawks' perennially beleaguered offensive line.

Dak Prescott, I don't think, has gone over 185 yards and five straight starts. And the receivers, you know, this isn't breaking any ground, but they're just not good. They went out and paid Alan Hearns. They paid Terrence Williams, and those guys aren't even part of the offense, really. They have a combined 69 yards, and I think they're taking up about $11 or $12 million. The Cowboys are saying one team in this league is going to win the title of the most boring offense to watch, and we are surging towards that title. Like, would you guys be cool if Erica was upset about her working situation and said,

I'll be there for the podcast for the three shows and maybe for the Twitter show, but I'm not going to be there for any of the pre-production days. I won't help you with anything else because I'm upset with management. I mean, you have an issue with that? If she was the greatest producer in NFL history and had been four years, that would help her case at least. wait is the greatest what so i'm saying if she had put in three years Erica is pretty great i'm saying if she had put in three years where she was the best performer at her job in the entire NFL's history i already am you are great but i'm just saying it's so easy for media people to automatically side with the player because that's like the the chivalrous thing to do it seems to do in our business but sometimes it just strikes me as overly cold business decisions that are put at the expense of your teammates and that's how this is the problem trying to do parallel it to us is that our game day is seven days a week.

Oh, yeah. We never turn off. We have endless shows, endless media responsibilities. You can't go dark six days a week like an NFL player. This game was a reminder. I think it's still going to be tough to go to Seattle and win and that they have enough pieces on defense, I think, to give people problems. Bradley McDougald has been playing great.

Bobby Wagner was back out there. You can't just cross them off, I feel like, for the season. Well, especially when you have the Cowboys offensive. If suddenly, you know, the Packers roll in with the Cowboys offense, they will have a tough time winning there too. It's a good start for the Seahawks. Let's see what happens next week to Sunday night football. From the 33-yard line.

On a roll. Stafford deep. Got a man. Touchdown. Marvin Jones. It looked like Gilmore was almost expecting it. And the speed of Marvin Jones made him pay. Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels.

with the call for NBC. Matt Stafford through two touchdown passes and the Detroit Lions get a 100-yard rushing game at a carry-on Johnson. Yes, sir.

The first since 2013, my goodness. Add to that a great defensive showing by the Lions and they get their first win of the season, 2610 over the visiting New England Patriots some surprises on Sunday night, Greg Rosethal.

Surprises throughout Sunday, and here was another one. The Lions just looking like the better team from kickoff to the final gun. This is another level of surprise that they held the Patriots to 209 yards from scrimmage. You can imagine before the game there's scenarios. Certainly the Lions can win this game, but to totally dominate it, especially defensively, just has me thinking back to last week's game between the Lions and the 49ers. And I know if you look at the box score, it said the Lions gave up 30 points. There was a defensive score there.

Matt Patricia had Jimmy G. scrambled last week. And he had Tom Brady and the Patriots receivers pretty scrambled today. They just weren't finding open receivers. And the ones that he did find would drops or made bad throws. Go ahead, Mark. Well, I just thought down the stretch when we were all sitting here watching this game. I'll just play right through it. You know what?

I'm not going to get upset at Erica because she's struggling tonight. This is her team, and I will be nothing but nice to you. Although I did notice, and I don't blame you at all, an extra sort of glee and bounce and enjoyment of the second half watching that game because you have sandwiches on the line for the Patriots demise. And like most of America, I think you would like to see a different Patriots story. It's understandable start to the season overall, and it's encased in this game where the final four possessions for New England are punt, punt, interception, and knocked out on downs.

This game could have gone on for eight more hours and there wouldn't have been a comeback. Nothing was working. Nobody's getting open. Their offense has nobody except Grunk who can beat man coverage. They desperately need Edelman and Josh Gordon and who knows what you're going to get from Josh Gordon. And all right, let's put this in perspective because Patriots struggles in September have happened through the years. They have lost two games in a row. unusual in the recent history of Belichick and Brady but they've never been one and two with

Brady they've never been one and this is interesting ground and what's going to happen now of course in the New England area and W.EEI and the local radio everyone's going to go nuts that they don't have enough weapons and then they don't look right. Sky is falling an NFL network and ESPN and everybody's going to go nuts for a whole week what's wrong with the Patriots how do the Patriots get right and if history tells us anything They'll just start steamrolling teams eventually, but it does seem like this team has a lot of work to do right now. They don't seem like, to me, they are nearly as dire straits as everybody last year wondering if they have the worst defense in the league after three games, the 2014 season, when the Chiefs took him to the woodshed and everybody, people in that press conference asked Bill Belichick if he was going to bench Tom Brady. Like, this team to me does not feel like it's as much dangerous those two teams were.

They have a lot of problems, though. They can't pick up a third and one. The equation going into the year was that the defense is going to need to be better because you're going to start out the season slow offensively. I think they're slower than they would have expected, certainly in this game. But I think Patricia was a huge part of that. But the key is that the defense can't get off the field. They're not bringing a lot to the table.

And I talked with you before the game even started, Dan, that they were missing three defensive starters, including their best one, Trey Flowers. And that was going to be a factor. And this is a team with a smaller margin for error. I think they're going to need to win close games. They're going to need to figure out different ways how they won games early on last decade.

And so far, they're not coming up with anything. I mean, we know that New England spends the first month constantly adjusting and figuring out who they are. But this is one of the few. Even in those other years, you still see the pieces. I look at this New England offense right now, and it lacks identity. But what other team in the league says will soon have Julian Edelman.

and by the way, we just got Josh Gordon for like a basket of fruit. And by the way, he could be dominant too. So it's like you're adding two key pieces to your offense. To me, those are two huge ifs, though. Ken Josh Gordon. Are they? Edelman is an if? Edelman is 33 and coming off an A.C.

I mean, I thought he looked good in the preseason. I know we're not allowed to point to that. But, you know, Josh Gordon, Josh Gordon is an if he can't get on the field. You're the last guy that should pencil in Josh Gordon. I'm just saying, but if we're talking about the overall, experience of Josh Gordon, but if he's plugged in and he plays week to week, he is not an if. He is a dominant player. But those are two ifs in the sense of, I think the Patriots need help on offense.

And you need one, if not both of those guys, to be themselves at their best. So I think the Patriots, it is a bit of an uneasy time, I think, on the throne of slees. Sky's not falling. I'm not like rubbing my hands together like a villain saying this is eight and eight season. But I think this is a little bit of a shaky start and something to keep an eye on. Here's what I'd say to Patriots fans, except a different type of season. Like, maybe I almost feel guilty maybe of how many incredibly dominant, you know, buy years that they've had.

But there are all sorts of different ways to have football seasons. And it's not the end of the world if they are three and three or they're four and four and they're figuring out and they try to get deep into the playoffs a different way. Because as a Patriots fan, not a lot of it matters really except the playoffs. It's a very spoiled way to look at it, but it's a long season. And it's okay if you're not looking too great for seven, eight, nine weeks, even if you can end up closing.

They just, you know, they have a lot to figure out. Okay, Erica. Are you okay, Erica? That was for you. I'm fine. I'm okay. Erica had a moderate Twitter meltdown during the game. We watched her through the glass, watched the game.

Obviously, a very emotional Patriots fan. Do you, we're going to give you the floor? Do you care to make a statement or deliver some type of missive to the audience? I mean, the Lions outplayed us on both sides of the ball. Matt Patricia outcoached us. Belichick has been out-coached every game since the divisional round of last year's playoffs. Whoa.

Why don't you hit a Bunsen burner blowtor? I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I mean, that take was so hot. It was a little too hot, I feel like. You're saying Doug Morone out-coached them in the AFC championship game. Yeah. Entering the game.

I love that take. Maybe not throughout the game. Love what's happening. It feels like they had a better game plan. Bill O'Brien. I coach them in week one. Erica, tweet that and watch it take. off into the sky.

No, I'm not. What was it that you loved about Bill O'Brien's week one? I didn't love anything. I'm just saying that to look at Belichick. And I agree with it? To look at Bill Belichick, it's... Maybe Dan had the wrong gradual decline. Maybe it's Belichick graduate.

I don't know. Tom Brady's a balloon there on a deep ball of the fourth quarter of this game made me think that maybe I'm finally on the right track. Brady hasn't had a good three games. I think that's, that is the most concerning part of it. Even week one where he moved the ball and had an overall good game, He had six or seven incompletes, just inaccurate throws, which you don't see from him.

He has not been accurate. I think it does have to do with the pieces around him. But when is the last time we were sitting here? We are mining deep into the second half. He has 90 yards passing. Crazy. You could go back. I don't even know if it's ever happened.

And shout out. How about the Dolphins game in December last year? That wasn't quite as bad, but you're right. It was similar. Shout out to the lions who got off the mat. And Matt Patricia, who really has weathered a storm here to start his career that had to feel good. I think he probably was hoping that Belichick would maybe give him

a little bit of a longer hug, maybe say something encouraging or something congratulatory. But Bill's not going to do that because Bill's not that type of guy. That's not how this works anymore. And then walk off. Whatever, Bill. But Matt Patricia, your boy, your student actually beat the pitcher, the teacher. It's a massive win for them who shouldn't be thinking their season's over by any means.

Suddenly you're one and two. Suddenly the Giants feel differently about their season. Suddenly the bills feel differently. It's like it's not too early. to get off. Are these lions veterans who were so piqued about having to work hard and suddenly a practice is a little tougher? Are we thinking maybe they're starting to wake up to this new world?

The bats will calm down. You can't expect football players to run, Mark. My apology. The Bears, great defense, questionable quarterback situation. First place around the NFL podcast. The Packers, a suspect skill core and also a quarterback that's all beat up. And the Vikings just got waxed at home by the bills. NFC North is not a closed book.

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I just need a little space. I wasn't really directed at Dan. That was more listeners. I knew Dan was sitting it out for a few weeks. Yeah, just about 10 to 12 days. All right. Yerka, you okay? Let's go.

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