NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2018 Week 6 Recap!

Episode Date: October 15, 2018

In a room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler & Chris Wesseling – react to a WILD Sunday that was full of action, including – Pittsburgh’s gutsy, last-second AFC North win (3:25), Dak Prescott disassembles the Jags defense (13:20), then Nick Shook joins the heroes to break down Houston’s eked-out win against the Bills (23:15), the Brock Osweiler-lead ‘Fins win versus the Bears (28:00) & Marcus Mariota was not expecting the Ravens’ sackapalooza (40:00). After, the heroes discuss Vance Joseph being “monitored” by Denver’s front office (53:30), the Raiders (seemingly) unmitigated disaster of a season and – does Carr fit into Oakland’s future plans (59:15), & lastly, TB12 outlasts MagicMahomes on SNF (1:04:40)!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansus and I am joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosethall. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Ow, I hope we didn't. I thought when Kenyon Drake coughed it up at the goal line at OT, I thought that was a little sprinkle of mojo magic from the team of ATN,

but the Bears, and we'll get to a little bit later, a tough loss. A little presumptuous to assume that we'd have the power to affect any team season in that way. They are three and two. That's pretty good. I think they're where we thought they'd be to some degree. Here's a new quote I'm trying to get off the ground. you got to believe that's fresh that's new

I've heard that before week six Sunday in the NFL and Wes oh my goodness this league is fucking wide open

every division depending on what happens with chiefs and patriots later tonight except for I think the NFC South and the NFC West are wide open

I think the Saints have control of the NFC South even though they're only like what a game and a half up on the Panthers and the Rams have the West I just feel like there's never been an NFL where there's more week to week teams where what you think about them seven days ago to now

changes so vastly for like 18 of these teams so that's what they want keeps everybody involved the machine the machine to keep churning and we're in that machine Mark the vortex we are there's no escape I feel like we say that we say that in general.

This time of year, you're going to have a lot of confusion. Teams are still figuring themselves out. But exactly. So if we peddle this, we always do, oh, teams are figuring themselves out till Thanksgiving. I mean, I wish we all had the opportunity to take nine months in our job to figure out what we're doing. I mean, then, yeah, you're going to get this. We're in the middle of it here, Mark.

And I could sense it in your voice. We are deep into the season, but a far away off from the end. Yeah, I feel like we are months and months and months. The season does not end essentially until you leave owner's meetings. So don't even talk to me about the season. We have just, we're in the backstroke into the deep end. Oh, we're in the wilderness. What going on?

I love it. I love it. And we're a little bit lost right now. Listen, this is you, it's hard to work in the world than talking a little football. Am I right, Greg? You're right, Dan. Yikes. Let's get into it starting with a big showdown in the AFC North.

Then a quick pop over the middle, running free. That's Antonio. Ten, five. Touchdown, Pittsburgh. You've got to be here. Unbelievable. A 31-yard touchdown pass from Ben to A-B, and it couldn't come at a more critical time, not only in this game, in the season.

Wow, Bill Hillgrove, great call for WDVE. I like to call him Bill Grove. Bill Grove, you got to be here. That's my new slogan. Forget about you got to believe. Ben Rafflesberger connected with Antonio Brown on a 31-yard touchdown with 10 seconds left. And the Pittsburgh Steelers pulled off another one.

They ripped out the Bengals' hearts again, beating Cincinnati 28 to 21. They added a two-point conversion and then got the stop that they needed to close it out. The Brown score came after Andy Dalton led the Bengals to a go-ahead touchdown in the previous possession. All in all, a game effort by Cincy, but the story remains the same in this rivalry, Chris Wesley. It's been interesting to see the relationship. between these two teams change over the years. Growing up in Cincinnati, my experience with the Steelers was being introduced to the concept of a clock

killing back because they would just win running away and run Franco Harris, Walter Abercrombie, Barry Foster, you know, whoever was their latest Jerome Bettis, just kill the clock. And now it's like every game comes down to the wire and it's just going to be how the Bengals are going to blow it. Yeah. In this game, Andy Dalton led two impressive two-minute drill touchdown drives.

One right before halftime, one at the end. of the game, and then their defense, you know, after Vontes Burrhic took out, you know, half of the Bengals secondary with his weird hits. Jesse Bates got sidelined. I think Darquez Darnett. Dinarb was sidelined for a while. The secondary wasn't the same in this final drive, but after going most of the day without doing much, it was Schuster, Smith Schuster, and Antonio Brown on that drive.

It's crazy. Big Ben targeted 13 different players in this game. And it's a reminder. Yeah, maybe the production came late from the two receivers, but they have three skill positions and guys cross 100 yards. When they're on, they're still a very potent offense. This was James Connor and Vance McDonald for 59 minutes, and then it was Smith-Schuster and Tonyo Brown.

I was going to say before Brown took over the game and made the play to win it, if the Bengals would have held on for this game, you're always wondering when Antonio Brown's going to pop off to the media or have some type of issue because he is that. type of personality and it seemed to be heading that way because again juju smith schuster was targeted almost double the amount of times as antonio brown and you wondered if they wanted to pull it out what would have happened but instead the best possible situation for the stealers that they steal the game

and they do it going big bent Antonio brown so you wipe away all that potential negativity that's why I think it's the biggest win of the day because if you could have buried Pittsburgh three wins behind you six weeks into the season. That's a different AFC North than the one we see today. Instead, you look at a situation where the Steelers get the road division win. Rathlisberger's 13 and 2 in Cincinnati,

which is one of the most ridiculous stats that you could come up with. That's the same thing in Cleveland. And you watch the game closer than I did, Chris. Tell me that the Steelers have to feel like on some level that they're back because even though, yeah, you stole it with that last drive, they had 480 yards.

The Bengals had 275. Overall, they did a lot of things pretty well. This game should never have been this close. It was red zone woes for the Steelers. Joe Hayden dropped an easy interception in the red zone. Artie Burns, who gets lost in coverage quite often, got lost in coverage on a touchdown by Tyler Boyd. James Connor got stopped at about the one inch line on a play that may have been rolled a touchdown by a different crew. So there was a lot of red zone action. And my oncologist is one of these diehard Steelers fans who knows everything about the team told me Friday, this is the season. This is the

This game is the season. This Bengals game can put the Steelers out of the race or let them back in. And to your point, because Pittsburgh now has the luxury of a buy week, still feel like it comes a little bit earlier than you'd want. But then you come out of it with a chance to change the division. With Levion Bell. With Levion Bell and you play the Browns and the Ravens. The Bengals, meanwhile, come out of this loss,

have to go face Kansas City next week. Let's touch on the running back situation real quick for Pittsburgh because Connor, again, and he has really been a revelation for them. He ran for 111 and two touchdowns in this game. And Levi-on-Bel, the Steelers continue to contend. They actually haven't heard from Lev-Bel, but Lev-Bel's told the media he's going to report during the by-week. So we're going to see how that's going to play out very soon.

After the game, Big Ben had a little bit of fun with what is a legitimately uncertain situation in Pittsburgh. And James, I thought, he was a bowling ball today. He was all over the place. What a great game. But, you know, I know it's his last game for us, because Levy-on's coming back. But I thought he did well in his last one. Well done. Wow, a word smith.

And one last word from Juju Smith-Schuster in reference to Antonio Brown of Big Ben and the last play that won the game. Moments like this, Goats come alive. How about that? That is a slogan we do not need. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sick of Goat in general

because now Goat has come to mean instead of the greatest of all time, which is literally what it stands for. It just kind of means like one of the best players. That's what people kind of mean it. The greatest Steelers quarterback of all time. Sorry, Sheck, and the greatest Steelers' wide receiver of all time. You don't think Sheck thinks that Big Ben is the greatest?

No. She thinks that Bradshaw is like the greatest quarterback of all time. But they would have to be the best players, period, of all time. Okay. I think, Greg, you're on to something. Let's move on. Let's go. Here's Wester's going to run the ball. James runs up the gut.

He's going to get it inside. Shoals the ball. It's a fumble behind a lateral with the ball dropped again, and it would runoff back to Sean Jackson. He loses the ball out of bounds. And that's the ball game. A little razzle-dazzle, the bucks fit close, but not enough. Gene Decker-Hawf, W-F-U-S with the call.

Oh, they came close to the Bucks there. Deshawn Jackson and the Bucks came very close to a miracle trick-play touchdown as time expired, but it wasn't meant to be. Matt Ryan threw for 354 and three touchdowns. The Falcons snap a three-game losing streak with a 34-29 win over the Bucks. Greg, the Falcons needed a win to keep their season alive entering this game of one and four. They got it just barely.

They did, and that last play to me was a microcosm of the Bucks, which is that, you know, it was a good idea. And I think when you have one, you got to score a touchdown, you're on the 20-yard line last play of the game, that no one's expecting that. And when you looked at it and you stopped the frame by frame and they were going to lateral it twice and Deshaun Jackson's wide open on the side,

I think it could have worked but you mess up in execution and the only reason that you were in that spot is because Mike Evans, because there are a lot of things but one is that Mike Evans didn't go out of bounds when he absolutely could have just walked out of bounds 30 seconds

before that and it's these little attention to details with the bucks. They miss the extra point which makes them chase it later. They missed it two. James Winston plays a very good James Winston game, 395 yards, four touchdowns. But he has two interceptions, including a killer one in the red zone. And that's the bucks kind of writ large.

You know, there's a lot, there's a lot good going on, but it's just sloppy. It's sloppy. What kind of interceptions were there for Winston? One was a bad timing on a deep throat to Deshawn Jackson. Their timing seemed to be off much of the day. And the other was one where he forced it. He predetermed it in the red zone, and that was totally on him. And he said the game was on him because of that later. I think that's being a little harsh, because ultimately, he's playing with maybe the worst defense of all time. I mean, in terms of yardage per game, pass-a-rating, and yards per attempt.

You're just getting mad about goat stuff. I mean, that's kind of a reverse goat thing. Okay, right now, statistically, they are on pace to blow the records out of the water for the worst pass defense of all time. You know, and they gave up 34 points here, which is right on their average. Mike Smith.

It's in the mix. He seems to be the common denominator with some of these things. Sooner rather than later, Mike Smith's going to run out excuses because Dirk Cutter is the next guy to go. Usually there's an order in how this works out. Yeah, if the bucks are the worst all-time defense, then the Falcons must be right behind them because they're averaging about the same amount of points per game giving up. We're going to get this once a year, I think, with these terrible past defenses. You heard the lock.

Yeah. Zussar's warming up a little bit west, so keep winning. I'm up to three and three. I hear everyone's three and three now. Yeah, we're warming up. Even the Reddit board. And the Reddit board is crashing. down to Earth after a 3-0 start.

But yeah, you kind of chuckled when I locked up the Falcons because it's a high-wire act to lock up this team because they should have been able to close out this game, but they just couldn't do it because the second the offense comes down to Earth a little bit, the defense will let the other team back in, and that's what happened here. Matt Ryan deserves credit, 12 touchdowns, no interceptions. They're doing their job. Steve Sarkeesian. When you guys watched the first half of this, it was shocking, though, how just easy it was

for the Falcons for much of this game. And they took advantage most of the news, a bad boy, and, like, they're a good offense. I keep thinking maybe they'll be able to figure things out. I don't think their season's over. When you have one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and I think Matt Ryan's playing near that level, at least top five to seven levels.

This reminds me of the Bengals. If you want to select eight more of these Falcons results, where it's 29 points, 34, you know, please. Let's move on. Elliot, the Prescott's left in the gun. Reidopson. He's got it. Swain the block.

Block to the five. Touchdown runs it in. Touchdown Cowboys. Brad Sham, the Sham God. KRLD with the call. Dak Prescott played the game of the season, for him anyway. In Jero World, the third year QB through two touchdowns, ran for 82 yards, and a score as well. Cowboys cruised to a shockingly easy.

37 to 7. Was it 40 to 7? Yes. 40 to 7 win over the Jacksonville Jaguars, who put some ugly football on tape in this one. Mark, Prescott has not been immune from criticism this season. Today, he played like a franchise QB. Can't say the same about his counterpart. Yoinks.

Not at all, although I wouldn't put this on Blake Bortles. I would put it on a defense that, you know, two weeks running is giving up 35 points per game and absolutely allowed this one to get totally out of hand out of the gate. The Cowboys offense, which we've complained about, rightfully so, tough to watch. and dull, just simply boring. Today, first four drives, they dial up a nine-play field goal drive to start the game, a seven-play touchdown,

a nine-play touchdown, and a 16-play touchdown to close the half. Jacksonville went into halftime with like 50-something yards, totally abysmal on that side of the ball, and a defense that could do nothing to stop an offense we didn't believe in seven days ago. And then Dallas essentially, they didn't hang on in the second half because they had a very, they were quieted down,

and they were very impressive fourth quarter where I thought this was the most embarrassing loss we've seen for the Jaguars under Doug Maroon. They have a strict formula. We've talked about this for two years running now that they have to jump out to an early lead. The Jaguars must get an early lead. And the Cowboys have the same formula.

So it's interesting that they were the team that jumped out. I'm going to keep a list of these teams because the Redskins are one of them too. The Jaguars, though, need to get real with where they're at. Because they're a team and the fans and everything. I think they see themselves as one of the top teams in the league and to respond like they did from a big loss, I think a humbling loss last week in Kansas City

and what they really built up as a big game to get wax like this in Dallas, like good teams don't do that. They're not the only AFC team, a South team that should be looking at things that way tonight and we'll talk about that later. Yeah, that's fair. But the Jaguars were the team that thought they're a Super Bowl team this year going into the year. And their defense just hasn't been as dominant.

There was a moment when they had like two healthy wideouts on the field, maybe three. And they are hamstrung a little bit. at that position with some injuries, but they just, when we saw them get hot last year and creative and push the ball down the field and do things you wouldn't expect, like today was everything you could imagine about why the Jacksonville Jaguars are not to be taken ultra seriously. Cowboys deserve to be taken seriously. You want to see this offense do something similar more than once or twice,

but the defense has been good for six weeks, so they only allow 10 first downs this game. They have a pretty good pass rush. That's consistent. They're a better defense than they've been. One thing you would like is that after Garrett got last. in a correct way for being so conservative and playing for fuelless. He went for it like two or three times on fourth and short in Jacksonville territory. They did a better job, but design runs for Dak Prescott.

And in general, the offense looked a little bit more creative than it has before. We'll see if it sticks. How are we doing with the not-so-accountable hot takes that the Jaguars are one of the few teams in history that is better without its best running back? I don't see them as being better today with anything. I mean, they, no. This is a bad day for the time. No, they're not better with that Leonard for a minute.

That's crazy. So, yeah, in the last two weeks, they've averaged, allowed an average of 400 yards per game. And once again, and we've been talking about this forever on this podcast, this team is not designed to play from behind. And you can see how these games go downhill in a hurry for Jacksonville. But I do still take them seriously in this conference just because it's a wide open conference. And also, like we've said, Blake Bortals, he could be great next week. It just says you never know what you're going to get from this team. The defense side of the ball, this just feels to me like more of a slump

than something to get totally worked up about. I still think you can't build around defense in 2018. They just aren't dominant defense. And maybe they'll turn it around. But they were one of the worst teams enforcing turnovers going into this game. They didn't force any in this game. So they had, you know, the pass rush hasn't been the same nearly this year. It's surprising with the down.

No turnovers in three of their last four games on defense. They might be frustrated with the offense too. Sure. A quote from Ezekiel Elliott after the game. This is the most dominating performance since I've been here. There is one really quick. There is this one play in this game, if you watch it, where Zeke Elliott takes the ball, goes maybe five or six yards,

but right into Jalen Ramsey and just walked, kept walking, and pushing his helmet right into Ramsey's. And that was sort of a back-breaking drive and moment in that game where the Jaguars never climbed back into this. I feel like people forget how incredible Zeke is. I saw some pole put up the other night when Sequin was going crazy and it was like best running back in the NFL. and they were a list of four names and then other.

And Ezekiel Elliott isn't one of the names. What? I'm thinking, like, put some respect on. Do some homework, please. It's probably this of his hair in the beard. It's a bad combination and I think it holds him back a little bit. Let's move on. Rivers stakes the handoff.

Steps to his left, wants the end zone, puts it up in the air for grabs. And that ball is up for grabs in the end zone. Don't know if it was intercepted. Touchdown. Hello, Tyro Williams. Ooh, jaunty. Matt Money Smith, and that was DJ. Daniel Jeremiah with the call there.

Some guy on KFI. Philip Rivers threw two touchdown passes to Tyro Williams, including that wild catch and triple coverage. Melvin Gordon had three touchdown runs. The Chargers. Bullied Baker Mayfield and the Browns 3814 in Cleveland. Nick Shook joins us now, resident Browns fan. Shookie, on Thursday, I was talking about the Chargers.

beat up on a legit opponent, the Brown seemed to fit that description entering week six, and the bolts made it look easy. That's because they don't fit that description. Oh. He's already out. I'm not out. This is a team that is probably going to win six or seven games, and it's going to, for every good game they have, every maybe one or two wins in a row they string together, they'll also

have a setback, and it's just going to be a little, it's a slow incline with some hitches. But they've only had one bad game out of the first game that was on defense. Yeah. I'm saying, but as a team, this is the only performance. you could look at and say it was a disappointment. I think this is the only team that you could look at that's been on their schedule so far that could be considered a team

that maybe eight to ten weeks from now we're going to be looking at as a potential favorite in the postseason. I think the Chargers are vastly underrated and this is one of the first games they've put together a total game in the season so far and I think an indicator of what's to come for them. I think he'll be fine physically, but there was a moment in this game

when Baker Mayfield came out of bounds and crashed into the chain thing on the ground and it was his ankle it looked like. He never really was the same after this. Also on the Cleveland side, I mean, just like we talked about with Jacksonville, they had, I think you said it was two active wideouts at one point. Yeah, yeah, because Damien Rattley got hurt

after going up for a catch in the fourth quarter. It's not a good sign when Damian Rattley injury is killing you. And he's your leading receiver. A Rod Streeter injury was killing them. Yikes. The Mayfield play was unfortunate because they had dropped the sideline dudes had dropped the marker on the ground as he was running out of bounds

and he just stepped on it and you could see immediately his ankle give way a little bit and he had a bad limp the very next play he Cubey sneaked it for a first down so he thought he was going to be okay but apparently it's something that bothered him but he got beat up in this game

he got sacked five times he threw two interceptions and the Chargers you guys love the Chargers this is a game that starts to make me feel differently about them because Phil Rivers is playing as good as ever right now and Joey Bosa is right around the bend now and the defense looks better now.

Look out. The bolts are maybe for real. What's really interesting about this Chargers team is they managed to find success pressuring Mayfield, whether he was hurt or not. They squeezed the pocket on him a lot with just four guys. And it allowed all of those defenders in the secondary and the linebacking court to drop back and play coverage. And if they can get that kind of consistent success,

you better watch out for that. LA's losses come to the Chiefs and Rams. Right. Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind their offense is legit. I think the question is how good is their deal? defense, and are the Browns with a decimated wide receiver core a legitimate test? I don't think this was an entirely accurate test because of, I think, the tweak injury to Mayfield, it visibly affected it.

You were saying coming into the game, this is a tough place to go play, a tough place. It had been until now, yeah. In terms of their defense, which is healthy, and they put it on their defense. They've been physical. Their running backs are playing well. They're averaging over 200 yards and two touchdowns a game. Gordon and Eccler. It's on my radar.

they've got this hash. You know how every team has their own hashtag? Yep. And, you know, at most they're just kind of very simple. And the Chargers used to be like fight for L.A. But this year it's hashtag fight for each other, which is a mouthful. What a double down. But you heard some.

Yeah, but I think the point is like L.A. doesn't care. Like we don't, like we're a road team even in our home. And you listen to some of the players, Philip Rivers, that's what the game said, there would be nothing worse than losing to Cleveland and then spending four more days in Cleveland because that's what they're doing this week before they fly over to London. They're getting banged, you know, in terms of their travel. And I think maybe there's a feeling, especially if they can go beat the Titans. It's like, hey, it's us.

It's us against everyone. And we got a little something cooking. All right. Fight for each other. I'm excited. And one last note of this game. Shout out to Spicy because all those years ago, he was right about Melvin Gordon, who has taken his game up another level this year, three touchdowns, 132 on the ground.

Still remember the quote, Melvin Gordon would rush for. 2,000 yards as a rookie if the Cowboys draft him. Doesn't seem so ridiculous anymore. Just a little bit ridiculous. Let's move on. Peterman takes the snap. He's looking left. He throws that way.

It's picked off by Jonathan Joseph across the 15-10-5. Rock and roll. The Texans go in front of the pick six. Yes. Love it old white guys. Summoner rock and roll spirit. Indomitable spirit of rock and roll. Mark Vander here.

with the call for KILT. Jonathan Joseph's 28-yard pick six with 123 to play was the difference lifting the Houston, Texas, to a 2013 win over the Buffalo Bills. Nate Peterman, who replaced an injured Josh Allen through that interception and then threw another one in the final seconds

to Doom Buffalo shook. It was not pretty, but the Texans have gone from 0 and 3 to first place in the AFC South in a hurry. The wild thing was I spent a lot of the fourth quarter sitting here going, oh, man, the Texans cannot lose this game. They absolutely cannot afford to lose this game in this fashion to Nate Peterman and Zay Jones and not be able to move the football because for much of the

afternoon, they couldn't protect Deshaun Watson to save their lives. And then they got a little bit of a gift in the form of Nate Peterman late in the fourth quarter with that pick six because right before then, they had the ball in the one yard line and couldn't punch it in and had to settle for a field goal. And we were looking at overtime. So they kind of squeaked away with this one, but they're back to three and three. This team represents the league more than any other. They could be 0 and 6.

They're in first place, and they haven't played a good game yet. Deshaun Watson was hit, I think 12 times in this game, 66 for the season. He had two interceptions, three fumbles, and was sacked seven times, and you find a way to win that game. You're just hoping that you can improve as you go, because they're getting some Ws, as Wes said, without really playing that well. How does the line improve, though? because this has been a week-to-week ill for them.

And I wonder, Watson was banged up last week. I'm assuming it came out of this without any physical issues. But how long do you, how do you ask someone to last for another two-plus months? You ask your front office to address the line, which they haven't done in a multiple. Which they did a shoddy job in the off-season. They did address it, but there's just what's available. You can overpay for Nate Soder. And even then you lose out on him to the Giants.

You decided not to play. You decided not to pay Dwayne Brown. You traded him instead. That's a fair criticism. Yes, that's fair. That's the one bang I got on them about this whole thing. But I understand that he was not content there, so you have to move that guy. But it's hurting them now.

And this is a young quarterback that a lot of people were excited about going into the season. And so far, he has not been able to really spread his wings. He's not going to be on the field much longer. He can't take this beating. He barely survived last week's game. I didn't get a chance to see this game yet. But, like, you just have to wonder how many more hits he's going to take. Bills are a legit defense.

They deserve credit from after the first few weeks. They've gotten it together. They gave up 216 yards. today. They're tough. You know, it's sad that offensively they can't put it together more. Although Josh Allen slowly but surely is starting to look like a semi-competing quarterback. He scored three points while he was in. First of all, what happened to him?

He got hit in the elbow. Was it bad or? Throwing elbow? What is it? It was throwing elbow. What are they saying about it right now? It was after a throw and it knocked him out for the rest of the game. So I'd imagine it looked like it might have been like a nerve issue to where he kept doing

this like he couldn't feel his arm. They had 13 points in 12 quarters, so let's come down. It surprises me that you say. that because I was seeing tweets before the injury that he looked miserable again and lost again. Well, it depends on what you look at it as because if he's uncomfortable in the pocket and that he's pulling down the ball

to run immediately, then yeah, that makes sense. But if you're saying that, well, he needs to get rid of the ball and make more decisions quicker, then you have a gripe there as well. That's why I say, very small. It's a crawl. Well, this was the guy they said was not going to play as a rookie, and they just have a terrible situation in general, and maybe he does need more time. I think each

like last game, last week, you saw things especially on the ground where you can see maybe why he's a starting quarterback, but there's a lot of incomplete stuff here. Yeah, I mean, without a doubt, he's still got a long way to go. But it's just a little more exciting than, you know, playing, you know, A.J. McCarron, like they were looking at going into the season. Very true. Nick Shook, you came in here and you did it again.

Then you're wearing a throwback in 1990s, Cavs pullover, loyal to the cause, even with J.R. Smith at the front of the franchise. It's nice that whenever I sit about a foot away from U.S. I am right now, I realize it's time to reorganize everything I'm doing. with my physical body. Oh. All right. Over under.

Cavs wins. I'm setting at 36 and a half. Thank you. That's respectful because downstairs I had a colleague tell me they wouldn't win 30 games. So you're taking the, you're banging. Over. Over. Let's do it.

Oh, to the eighth seed and beyond. Let's flirt with 500. This is Kevin Love's team now. Oh, boy. Here we go. Moving on. 20 years. Very depressing.

Thank you. Thank you, Shucky. 47 yards. The kick is up. The kick is go. He hit the kick. Oh, no. Jason Sanders has won the game for the Miami Dolphins.

No flags. It's over. We're off the roller coaster. I can't take anymore. Nice job by the WQAM team. Jason Sanders kicked a 47-yard field goal in the final play of overtime. That coming after Cody Parky of the bear has missed a 53-yard attempt for Chicago. the bear Doppairs blow an 11 point lead in the second half lose to the Dolphins

38 to 28 a huge win for Miami at home down their starting quarterback Brock Osweiler filled in for Ryan Tanna who was out with a shoulder injury and he threw for 380 yards and three touchdowns Greg wild game in Miami but let's start here get Brock some love got the job done he said he was emotional on the weight of the game he found out by a text that Ryan Tannahill, who practiced fully Wednesday and Thursday with the shoulder injury, and now isn't playing. And you have to wonder, is he going to be out for a little while? Brock was emotional thinking, look, I got this opportunity. Who knows how many I'm going to have left. And he responded running Adam Gase's offense pretty similarly to how Ryan Tannehill

runs it, where I don't think the quarterback is really front and center. And that wasn't the case today either. It was more about the running backs. And it was more about Hakeem Grant and then especially Albert Wilson, making big plays off a short throws. And I give Adam Gase a lot of credit for giving the ball to Kenyon Drake on the game-winning drive right after Kenyon Drake fumbled on the goal line. I think that was really Adam Gase thinking long-term about a guy who's important to him and is a really good player. He's not a fumbler and saying, I'm going to give this kid his confidence back.

I'm going to trust him in this situation. He picked up 22 of the 28 yards they needed to. set up that field goal. He got the ball and three of the four snaps on that drive and they go and win the game and Drake, who was crying openly on the sidelines for a while

is feeling a lot better about himself. Other things we can give Adam Gage's credit for. Oh, no, not today, Brock. I can believe it today, buddy. Other things we can give Adam Gay's credit for. Signing Albert Wilson. Yeah. Signing Frank Gore.

Yes. Absolutely. Big game for Frank Gore. And getting the ball to Jakeem Grant every single week. Not making him an afterthought like he was last year. They're putting the ball in his hands weekly and he's making big plays.

I know, Greg, you were steaming at the end of this, the way the Chicago went overtime in your mind, and I think you're right, did not push for this win. They pushed for an excessively long field goal. Mitchell Trubisky wasn't trusted by Adam Gase. I mean, by Matt Nagy. He went against his total instincts,

which this year has been aggressive, aggressive, you know, trust your guys. guys, they get the ball in position to win the game in overtime, and then they run three straight runs. And they had been running the ball pretty well, but one of them was on third and four, a zone run into a stack box. And that was telling me they did not trust Trubisky, who did not earn any trust, despite his statistics, the most misleading stats I've seen of anyone.

He did not play a good game today. But still, I sit next to... You have a shot. He's your quarterback. He got to trust him. I sit next to a Bears fan down in the newsroom, Ali, who had the same feeling, though, and I guess maybe with some Bears fans or a lot of Bears fans, they feel the same way that Trubisky, despite the growth that he's had in the last couple of weeks or at least

their last game, they're not ready to put the game in his hands yet. But you can still call up a safe passing play. This is a very smart play caller and Matt Nagy. I think they really just kind of gagged a little bit. Matt Nagy may not trust Mitchell Trubisky, but do you want to know who I trust? Who? Oh, Erica Tamposi. I woke up this morning and saw these reports

that suddenly Brock Osweiler was quarterbacking the team that Erica had locked up and a team that she picked because essentially Danny Amandola is seen as an attractive human to her. Because he has good bone structure that's why they were picked as a lot. That said...

Might not anymore after today. Well, and I came into the office and you suggested Greg that it would have been fair to switch the lock and all this stuff. You thought about it. I didn't think about it. I would take endless grief for that number one and that's a bad idea.

so you sit and deal with the results, but Erica knew all along. She did an excellent job, and I'm going to continue to seek her counsel on picking teams with attractive players at some position or another. And that would have been declined because it was made clear on Thursday

that Erica was in charge. It was on her to make the big. Nobody pursued it. Nobody pursued it. That's good, because it would have been declined. But you know what? At the end of the day, at the end of the day,

you got exactly what you needed, which was another lock in Erica. Nice job. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I felt like I had some insider information because, you know, me and Danny are so close. And he felt really good about this game. You have FaceTime.

He maybe knew Brock was going to play and that that would be enough. You've been on your knowledge. This is going to take a lot of legwork for you, Greg. And it's going to take some extra time. But I would like to see as part of your QB index on a weekly basis. Ooh. Which teams play for the field goal instead of the touchdown with the game on the line? And that reflects on the quarterback.

It's a plague right now. Get to work on that research. It's something that is part of our Sunday viewing experience. Why don't you put it in your column? I don't have a quarterback index. It's like hundreds of hours of research before done by tomorrow night. Top 10 coaches that set up field goals instead of going for it. This is part of the weekly game watching experience with Greg Rosenthal,

calling out coaches every week for playing for the football. I think it's one of the only things fans almost have a right to think that they have a better idea than the coach is about. It's like, because it's just obvious that setting up for long field goals is a losing. in game. And we'll get to a little bit later, but this is also the same Greg that earlier today was found in his chest about it being okay to settle for a 57-yard field goal with the game on the line. Oh, with Matt. We didn't even talk about that. We should have. That was bizarre. Well, they were up to. That was a totally different. That was a totally different situation. They were up to, but I still can't believe that they did that. I cannot believe that. I cannot believe

that. That was a big play in that game. But I digress. How about how about Frank Gore, by the way, mocked in this very room this offseason as some over-the-hill guy who shouldn't have a job goes over 100 yards for the first... Looked awesome. It looked awesome. Has been playing great in Miami. I love it.

Fifteen for 100, I think you were? And you can't even blame them for taking him out on the goal line. He said he was gassed, actually, and it was basically his call to have his brother, Kenyon Drake, in there. That's what he called. I'm eating crow over Frank Gore. Let's move on.

To the far side left, Arnold, fakes a screen. Fires one left, side-line. line up and making the catch at the 10. Chris Herndon walks into the end zone. Touchdown. Perfectly designed play by Jeremy Bates. Big play, Bob, with Schuzen with the call for the Jets Radio Network.

Sam Darnold threw for 280 and two touchdowns, including that hookup with Chris Herndon in the third quarter. Jason Myers set a franchise record with seven field goals. The Jets hung on to beat the Colts, 42 to 34 at the medal ends and a rematch of Super Bowl 3 participants with Broadway Joe and many of the 68 jets in the

building for a halftime 50th anniversary celebration. They've had many of those over the years. Many, many celebrations of that team. New York punted just once against Indies soggy D. West Andrew Luck was up for the challenge on Sunday. The rest of his team was not.

I was telling Greg during our Sky Sports hit, this is like the old super Tecmo Super Bowl when you're about 15 and O trying to go undefeated and they make you fumble every punt return, fumble this, fumble that. Your best players are getting injured every, this is Andrew Luck every week. Bill Simmons, because the similar thing would happen in Madden, Bill Simmons called the no-effin' way game.

Yeah. Luck on the opening drive, Marlon Mac has a screen pass, a basic screen pass, off Marlon Mac's hands, off Jamol Adams' hands, into Moe-Claiborne's hands for a touchdown. It was just that kind of afternoon. You know, luck comes right back, leads him on a quick touchdown drive in which his ball placement is once again impeccable, comes back, leads him again down there, and Naheim Hines drops a ball right in his breadbasket on the goal line,

and they have to settle for a field goal. This is just like behind the eight ball all game and credit Sam Darnel for playing well. I thought one of the keys was you knew Dan had to know Andrew Luck is leading this team on a comeback bid, and they kept that at bay. because Darnold kept leading field goal drives, and Jason Myers, to his credit, kept making the field goals.

That was huge. I mean, Myers going seven for seven. That broke a 50-year-old mark for field goals for the franchise. And, yeah, I'm like head over heels about Darnold. You know, he would have had another touchdown, too. Robbie Anderson dropped the ball in the corner of the end zone that was perfectly placed. Otherwise, they would even put more points on the board. I thought that Donald, the exception of one bad rookie interception,

he threw in the first half where he kind of hung one up that got picked off he once again was calm he made he puts so many throws right on the money right where a receiver needs it and uh every time the colts like west said seemed to be about to get back into the game and they did get it down to six at one point it was 3013 jets they got it down to six and then the they would go down the field for another long drive you want some of those to be turned into touchdowns but the point is there was no three and outs uh he kept the team moving and and the cults weren't able to ever catch up. So luck is great.

Luck, there is no question to me that luck is Andrew Luck still. And that comes with the good and the bad. This was a pure Andrew Luck game right down to, he threw a terrible interception that kind of sealed Indy's fate late in the game. That was definitely on him. The early ones were not. But luck killed him a little bit at certain points. But overall, he's a stud and he still is.

I think it's an indictment to the cults, front office that you've had this time while Andrew Luck has gone to find a support system for his return. And it's the New York Jets and a credit to their front office that has a better surrounding cast around Darnold right now than the cults do around Luck. The cults are just so decimated by injuries. But this seems to be what we say about them every single year that they're decimated by injuries around Andrew Luck. And I've been picking. Hilton and Doyle are their top two weapons. Well, I've been a thin offense. I've been picking on. Picking on Eli a little bit because look what luck has around him

and still getting 400 yards of offense every game. But this also extends to a team like the Titans who aren't moving the ball. The Colts are moving the ball so well for a team that's just absolutely decimated by injury. Was this you guys have watched all of his games? Was this Sam Darnold's most complete game? I think it was.

24 of 30? You could put this game in the week one game probably neck and neck. But this game, I just thought he was so in control and his accuracy and his ability to evade pressure and not force and make rookie errors. He made one, but I just think... Rale Pryor had a good game, too.

Yeah, and Quincy Anunuwa has a potentially serious ankle injury. He left this game early, and there's a chance he could be out for a long time, if not for the rest of the year. So Troll Pryor is going to find a bigger role, and when he has had opportunities this season, he's actually done good things with him, so you're going to see more.

At the end of the day, the Jets are 3 and 3, and the quarterback is making strides as the season progresses. So far, so good. This is exactly what you wanted as a Jets fan, even if it doesn't lead to a playoff berth. Let us move on. Marcus Mario in a pocket collapsing, pumps once, and he is sacked.

That is the record. Tenth sack of the day by the Ravens' defense. Peanut Owasu delivers the record drop down. Oh, Jerry Sandusky, WBAL with the call. Yikes. The Baltimore Ravens went nuts, setting a franchise record with 11 sacks, smothering Marcus Marriota and the Titans at 21 to Zip Shutout.

In Nashville, West, this was a throwback performance by the Baltimore defense. They bullied the Titans into submission in their own backyard. They dominated this game. They manhandled the Titans in every way you can manhandle a team. I guess there was a bit of a revenge factor. Their former defensive coordinator, Dean Pease, retired, and then came out of it. came out of retirement to join the Titans.

It seemed like that fired up the Ravens defense quite a bit, but there's a lot of blame to go around. Marcus Marioota seemed to have trouble deciphering where the pressure was going to come from before the snap. His offensive line didn't play well. The Ravens gave no respect whatsoever to the Titans wide receivers because nobody should respect their wide receivers. I think there's totally, there's no running game for Tennessee.

There's no chain mover with Delaney Walker. out. There's no semblance of a ball control offense whatsoever with this offense. 106 yards the Titans ended up. This is one of those games. You kind of look how insane the stats are through three quarters. And for some reason, I always root for them to stay that way. But usually the team just kind of racks up a bunch of garbage yards at the end. But not this game. They only ended up with 106 yards. Well, at one point. He had less completions than times he was sacked. I never heard of that. At one point late in the third quarter, Mark said he's only got 10 pass attempts before.

I said, well, he's dropped back to pass 20 times. He's just been only able to fire it off 10 times. Gentlemen, the Titans had nine possessions, and they punted nine times. That's Titans. Oh, excuse me. Thank you, Wes. Yeah, they don't deserve. I mean, like, I get the fan base getting antsy when they have a nice win,

but this is a three-and-three team, and the three losses have been ugly. They've been so true to form this year. There's been, to me, no difference between this year and past years. where they get hot in little spurs, and then not only they lose, they look like a bottom-run team when they have these bad performances. I gave their coaching staff of quite a bit of credit for those Wednesday eeked out early on, but Matt LaFleur, their coordinator, has to be under the microscope. Now, I believe they are by far the worst offense in the first half of games this year.

And the Ravens deserve a ton of respect for tripling a team in total yardage and surviving what in the NFL is one of the toughest things, I think. When you look at the schedule and you got three straight road games, games at any point. That's drawn in the shorts draw. They've had four out of six games on the road, and they're four and two coming out of that. They won two of these three road games.

They won in Pittsburgh. They win in Tennessee, both fairly handily. They lose that overtime game to the Browns. But overall, if you're a Browns fan, I mean a Ravens fan, they've managed this early part of the season. The Titans are the only team in football other than the Cardinals that haven't even scored 100 points this year. scored to 87 points in six games

and I know you could look at a lot of people but I'm also looking right at that quarterback I mean you've got to if you're a real franchise quarterback you need to help raise the team and there's nothing that I see that he's that guy that's what I was saying with Andrew Luck earlier compare what Marcus Mariotta's working with that running back and wide receiver

to the guy signed off the street that the Colts are working with and Luck's got 400 yards every week I mean this team a couple years ago was built around the idea of a dominant offensive line and they would beat you up and run the ball, and that would be their strength. And for good or better or worse, Marriota, 11 sacks or 10 sacks in one game,

I'm sure some of them were on him, but that's just, how can you operate as a quarterback? They had nine sacks in five games before this. So it's not just like. But they haven't run the ball, which to me with that line and with the talent that they have in terms of Dionne Lewis and Derek Henry,

that's one of the most surprising things. Not that you can't run against the Ravens. Ravens are a great team defense. But for six weeks, they've not been a running team at, all. Here's some mind-blowing stats for you. Mark Iota took more sacks today than Peyton Manning took in his entire

2009 MVP season. He had more sacks today than Dan Marino took in back-to-back-to-back seasons in the late 80s for the Dolphs. That's why it is. Sacks that got the couple previous coaches fired, too. That is why a lot of it, and I want to watch it, I only saw some of the sacks.

But sacks, to me, are half of a quarterback stat. That's one thing I never used to think until you work football. That's a quarterback. stat is that. And one last points that. Seventy seven points allowed by the Ravens in six games. That's first in the league.

The next closest team is the Bears with 96. So this is a dangerous Ravens team and now they're tied for first place. Let's move on. To play, Cam Newton from the shotgun takes throws it out to their right side. Incomplete! Incomplete and the Redskins hold

the Panthers. Awesome coverage by Fabian Moreau. Awesome coverage by everybody across the board. W-T-E-M, the Redskins Radio Network with a call. The Panthers fell in an early double-digit hole, never were able to dig themselves out. Cam Newton tossed three straight incompletions in the final minute, final minute leading to a turnover on downs that clinched a Redskins' 2317 win over the Panthers in Landover.

The Skins forced three turnovers and got 97 yards from Adrian Peterson and generally looked like a completely different team than the one that got waxed by the Saints last Monday night. A big narrative around this game, whether you care to get into it or not, is Josh Norman, who his first game or a return game against the Panthers coming off a week where he caught criticism both inside and outside his building and also was benched during that Monday night game. He had his first interception since late 2016, also broke up a pass and generally was

not an issue for the Washington Redskins, which is something that they expected more of, frankly, when they gave him that huge contract. So Josh Norman has a good game against his old team, and Wes Yeboy, Adrian Peterson. In their three wins, Washington's three wins, AP has at least 90 yards each game. So when he gets the ball and he is chewing up yardage and the clock, they win games when he gets hurt, which is an issue with him at this stage, but when he gets hurt or they fall behind, it's a bad situation for them. So Peterson has to be involved. I think this is something we've seen throughout the J. Gruden era, and Mark has talked about it quite a bit. When the Redskins

get up early, they will grind it out on you, they will run it down your throats. Their defense looks much better, and they can look as good as just about any team in the league. And then when they fall behind, they're a train wreck. I'm glad the Panthers are three and two, and the Redskins are three and two. I feel like that's where they should be. Even though the Redskins have been as up and down a team as any team in the league. You said it. When they've looked good, they've looked very good.

And the Panthers, to me, weren't quite a four-and-one team. So it's like, I like it just when the teams find the appropriate. I came out of the Saints game, very concerned about the Redskins in general. So this is a nice bounce back on a short week. I like the Panthers a lot better as a team than Washington. I think they just kind of screwed themselves with a very bad start. In this game, I think Carolina probably beats this Redskins team seven out of ten games, but that's not what happened in this game.

One other note, Alex Smith, who has been, you know, on and off this season definitely was not on in this game either. It should not be overlooked that he averaged about four and a half yards per attempt in this game. Anybody else worried about him? That's below the gabber. This is kind of bad Alex Smith that...

He has not played well this year. Yeah, he has not looked like the guy he was in Kansas City. But still, they get the... the win and um he doesn't throw it outside the number and i think they should do that what for one year just one season when you say like the panthers and redskins that they played 10 times just for one year have every team play one other team 16 times and see what where you go i like this i mean think a lot of fights think how definitive it would be bangle steelers for bragging rights right games no players left right whoever whoever comes out on top then they make a 16 team

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Cousins under center, hands to Latavius, shoots from the left, gets to the 15th, skip harm at the 10, 5, touchdown. Latavius Murray with a 21-yard touchdown, and the Vikings have taken the lead. Paul Allen, KFNA with the call. The Minnesota Vikings got a career best, 155 yards on the ground from Latavius Murray,

including that touchdown, as the Vikes became the latest team to beat up on the hapless Cardinals. The final is 2717 in favor of Minnesota, which combined a strong ground game with a welcome return of their swarming defense. A nice get-right game for the purple people, Mark. Yeah, I mean, you're getting an all-pro season from Adam Thielen, who has now six straight 100-yard performances

and was dominant again today with a record, right? It is. 11 catches today, 123 with a touchdown. and there were various moments where you felt the Vikings just repeatedly putting the Cardinals away in this thing. They have not been able to run the ball. We saw that firsthand when they were in that Rams game the week before that and after. So this was a, you get a different offense when you can do what they've been trying to do what they did last year. And for the Cardinals, I just, I think our friend Jason Zumwalt, who is a Cardinals fan and a diehard,

and it is a long autumn they're being put through right now because there's not a whole lot to like. If a couple of bright points, though, the defense, before this got out of hand, the defense did a lot to disrupt Kirk Cousins. I think they had six blocked passes. They generated an ugly interception for Cousins and a strip sack that wound up causing a touchdown for the Cardinals as well, keeping them in this game at 10 to 10 at one point. Then the wheels fell off. Josh Rosen, there just feels like someone who you're not getting the best version of David Johnson right now on any level. They cannot run the ball.

I think what he has going on Is he living his best life? I would not say he is bordering on that yet. There is promise. Sam Rosen maybe is living his best life. I'm announcing this game, so it was a lot of Rosen. There was maybe too much Rosen. But I like what he has with Christian Kirk.

I think that Josh Rosen just needs a little bit more time here. These Cardinals games are tough to watch. What are you trying to say too much Rosen? You know what I'm saying, Greg? Yeah, what do you mean by that? you said that I didn't say that you know what I'm saying I'm saying there's never enough Rosen

bring me all the Rosens I think you had most of them today you have most of them bring them my favorite high school teacher's name was Mr. Rosen Was he? Did he involve today's game?

He was not involved in this Redswell or in this card. Probably he had it better Maybe he could have picked up a third down because the Cardinals didn't oh is the problem David Johnson or the offensive line

or the play call? I'm sure David Johnson isn't suddenly not a good running back I think he's been running hard. You can see the explosiveness in some plays. So to me, it has to be the coaching in the line. It's one of the more, like, few offensive coaching staffs lack as much creativity as the Cardinals appear to you right now.

In closing, Mark, are you okay with people that go by the last name Rosen? I never claim not to be. I don't know what this typical Dan-driven narrative is. Well, you said there is too many Rosens. Dan-driven. I listen. I mean, you know, this is absurd. It's absurd. Let's move up. Get on to the next game. Goth is set up under center. Gurley behind him. They'll run him to the left side.

Gurley with space. The five, the goal line. Touchdown. Todd Gurley. Touchdown L.A. Forget the first down. Rangel take the touchdown. Todd's running like a wild man right now. Wow. Is that your neighbor? J.B.? J.B. Long? With the call? Yeah, I sure hope so. Todd Gurley continues to dominate for the best team in football. Todd Gurley rushed for 208 yards and two scores leading the Rams to a 2320 win over the Broncos at mile high.

There was a garbage time touchdown in there. Don't get too hyped up Broncos fans. Not that you would be. Are they hyped up right now? You're probably in a bad spot right now. Anyway, the Rams are an NFL best 6-0 and Gurley is just the latest star, Greg. enter that MVP conversation. I love seeing the Rams win different types of ways.

You want to hold our quarterback to 201 yards, you know, 50% completion. Anytime, Erica. So be it. What's going on? I don't need to listen to Eric. Oh, the music was still on. I should just have seen how long it would have taken before she got. I had no idea.

I had no idea. She's busy watching. I had literally no idea. She's watching various, like, Boston sporting events happening. That was great. All right, go ahead. Totally tuned out. They show up there.

It's a windy, snowy day. They lean on the running game like they did late last week. Oh, I love it. Oh, yes, that's well done. It barely just punched it in. That is well done. 208 yards and a couple of touchdowns, including the key drive late in the game. It wasn't necessarily garbage time that the Broncos got back in this.

It was a seven-point game with about eight minutes to go, and the Rams got the ball and they did what good teams did. They ran out about five minutes of the clock and it was mostly girly. Problem is even if it wasn't garbage time, it's hard just to believe in this Broncos offense. And it seemed for a moment or two here

that one of Chris Wesleyan's accountable hop takes from the Twitter show might have come to fruition. You mentioned, you can explain it. Yes, that either Case Keenham or Vance Joseph will be replaced by the end of the month. And when we saw Chad Kelly come out right before halftime, we thought, hey, they finally yanked. Case Keenham.

Yeah, it was a tough moment for Case Keenum. They were checking him for a concussion. And the moment that he got out of the concussion test, which he passed, he heard a stadium full of Broncos fans cheering for Swag Kelly coming on the field. Swag Kelly. It's not going to be the last time this season that happens. It's not. This was a great week for your prediction, Chris,

because Case Keenum threw a terrible interception. The stats look okay, but definitely missed a number of makeable throws. after the game, Vance Joseph said cases are quarterback, but now we're into the answering that weekly part of the season. Oh, we're also into the answering is Vance Joseph still going to be our coach weekly? I was going to get to that because Ian Rapport reported

that the Broncos are monitoring Vance closely. What does that mean? It's like, well, I would think you're usually doing that with your head coach. You're like following home in his car? The IRS is on the case. And they said Joseph was taking a little more hands-on approach with the defense.

And, oh, yeah, bring it up. And there was a spot early in this game where it's fourth and three around midfield and he went for it and i started thinking this is this is not vance being vance i don't mind them going for it but he you can almost feel like this is a call he's making because he's like i got to mix it up i got to do some unvanced like cut cut to the joseph house it's like honey john elway sitting in a van outside the house again he's got monitoring equipment he's watching i mean i would monitor john elway's inability to find a quarterback or an offensive line i call that which is maybe the biggest issue garret bowles their

left tackle first round pick has been a huge problem for them. He's in the Mangini Vortex when you start doing things you wouldn't do because you want to try to act like someone you're not. I totally agree. And I think the Lway and the ownership will notice almost 10,000 people didn't show up for this game that bought tickets. That doesn't happen in Denver. And I know the weather was bad and everything, but it's like a lot of people left when it was 20 to

three. People started just going to the exit. So that's a bad sign. My tip for Vance Joseph, you know it's only a matter of time, and it could have already happened, that they put a monitoring device on your car to GPS you. Check the gas cap. Sometimes what they do is they put a fake gas cap onto your car, and that could be bugged. So I just rip that thing off and lose it. It's good advice.

And that's a starter. Just keep your head on a swivel. And watch out for the banana in the tailpipe. Well, always. One last thing on the RAM side is just that watching every team every week, like you don't have to just pick someone else other than Aaron Donald for a defensive player of the year just because it's more exciting. Like I'm not convinced there's anyone better at football than Aaron Donald's still week after week.

I mean, it's a lot. It's a long way to go. I'm just saying, just keep that in mind. There's 10 more games to go. He's pretty great. And one more note, everybody hates the horse collar tackle because you lose ACLs because of it. Jerry Rice and countless others through the years. I thought that's what happened to Cooper Cup

on a sideline tackle in this game. Somehow he actually came back in the game, but Gray, you said he exited shortly after that, so I assume everything checks out okay. But when he got carted off the field, you wondered if it was the last time you saw that great triplet receiver group together. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

Finally, or I shouldn't say finally, pendultimately? That is correct. Nice. Penultimately, yes. Let's move on. There's a shotgun snap. Russell fumbles the snap, looks, puff-fakes, steps up, throws to the end zone.

Moore is there. He's in the end zone. Touchdown, Seahawks. As Moore goes over the back, railing behind the end zone. Here's the stand, but he hangs on. Steve Rabel, K-I-R-O with the call. The NFL, return to London. shame we couldn't give you blokes

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yeah blokes and birds shame we couldn't give you a better game Russell Wilson threw for three touchdowns the Seahawks rolled to a 273 victory over the Oakland Raiders at Wembley Stadium Mark the Seahawks had their way with a very very bad

Raiders team. Appreciate Greg, very wisely, staying out of that conversation a minute ago. Two things. I think Seattle's going to hang around to the end, no matter what. That's not about football. I'm not interested. Keep it on topic. I let you guys blow yourselves up, you know.

This is Greg's new favorite team, Seattle. Greg is a supporter, and I think you should be after today. The Raiders, meanwhile, are a raging embarrassment. This team is as disorganized as any in the NFL. right now. They completely vanish today. And the problems do not extend to not Derek Carr as well. They can't protect him. He does not seem right to me right now. They can't run the ball. There's just a giant hot mess that could do nothing. The Seahawks opened this game with a 14-play, 82-yard scoring drive that milked almost eight minutes off the clock, and you knew the game was over the

minute they scored. That's Brian Schottenheimer's wet dream. I mean, they're starting to play like Brian Schottenheimer wants them to play, which is these long punishing scoring drives. And they look pretty good doing it. And yeah, you're right, Wes. You never know what teams you're going to start enjoying during the season. I'm kind of just feeling the Seahawks team as a team to watch out for. Head over heels. I said downstairs, they're either the best bad team or the worst good team.

But there's fun to be had and follow. I think they're going to be tough to be in Seattle. I think their running game is pretty fun to watch. Their offensive line is certainly better, which is a relief after watching them for all these years. And everyone's going to look better against the Raiders. I mean, you're right. It's not just the offense. It's not just even.

Like I went to, you know, you look at the stats after the game. You're like, oh, how the Raiders do in the red zone? And it's like, oh for O because they didn't get to the red zone. No. It did not reach there. Guys like, you know, you go and try to sell us on Martavis, Brian, and Jordy Nelson, and they both totally, I don't even sure they took the flight over from the states in this game, totally invisible.

and their offensive tackle situation right now is such a mess. Frank Clark and the Seahawks defensive line absolutely dominated that matchup, and that's why I think it was over from the very beginning. I think when they traded, or I should say they, John Gruden traded Khalil Mack. It was made clear that this is a rebuilding organization, and this season was never going to go well for them. They don't want it to go embarrassingly poorly,

and it could be heading down that road. But I just, the only thing also, say is that I don't know, I think it might be premature to say that the entire decision to bring John Gruden back is an embarrassment. I would say even if, I think this season has been bad, though. That is fair. Even if he is a productive coach that a year from now has them in a better place, signing anyone to a 10-year contract is hubris. It was crazy. And they're, Ian Rappaport. But just need time to see how this plays out. It was never going to be a one year. The Raiders are now relevant because John Gruden was back. I just want to see how plays out because they're not a draft

away from suddenly becoming something that we enjoy watching. Because he's getting rid of so many of the players that helped them before. The offensive line used to be good, not so much anymore. Ian Rappaport did report after this game that Derrick Carr was playing through a shoulder injury that they hope it's not going to cause him to miss any time. But they have a buy week coming up. So it's crazy to look at the passing chart of where he threw the ball. He only threw two passes more than 10 yards.

He's an interesting guy. He's an interesting guy to watch here. He attempted two that went more than 10 yards. He's an interesting guy to watch here because you wonder if he's going to be part of the rebuild to come. And if he ends up being a guy that's traded in the offseason who would be interested in a dark car and where is his value in 2018, 2019. But that's all down the road. And they're not going to be an 8 and 18. They're going to have a top 3 or 4 pick potentially.

So there may be another quarterback sitting out there. You just never know. You could say that about everyone on this roster. Who's going to be a part of the next good Raiders team? The fact, if I'm a Seahawks fan, the last thing I'd say on that is the fact that Doug Baldwin showed up and looked like a number one receiver again is, like, is amazing news and really augers well for them. Oggers, nice. Going back to Oggers. Wait a second.

Let's recap here before we get to Sunday night football. Greg drops an augers at the. Well, that was only because last time you really liked it. And you also had a writ large earlier in today's show. Somebody's been reading fiction. Yeah, I was going to say, what have you been perusing lately, Greg? All right. Not as much as I like, you know.

Football season makes it tough. Good chatter. One more game to get to. Let's do it. First down, 50 seconds. Brady, deep down the sideline. He goes for Gronkowski. He has it.

He's been so silent all night long. And then finally, they uncork him in the biggest moment. And now for Tom Brady, he sees him. Crock, he sees one-on-one, he sees no help finally, and he takes a shot. Rob Grunkowski from Tom Brady, 39 yards, down the right sideline, set up the New England Patriots for the chip shot. Game-winning field goal from Steven Gostowski, 28 yards was good, right down the middle, 43 to 40 final. New England Patriots prevail over the Kansas City Chiefs in a game that undoubtedly led to a midfield meeting for Andy Reid and Bill Belchek

in which one said to the other, I'll see you in January. You think either one of those two would be that presumptuous? I don't know. I just feel like that's something that somebody said, somewhere on that field. An amazing back and forth shootout. If you love offense, this was the game for you,

a game in which after a slow start for the Chiefs offense, we're settling for field goals in the first half. they went off in the second half. Tyreek Hill and Patrick Mahomes combined for three touchdowns, including a 75-yarder that tied the game late in the fourth quarter. But as he's done all throughout his career, Greg Rosenthal, Tom Brady, answered the call. This man, 18 years or whatever, his junior,

pushed him to the limit, but Tomi made the plays. He did. A beautiful throw to Rob Gunkowski that we heard. The second play from Grunk at the end of the game that comes to mind. gronk was quiet the whole time the whole game three catches 97 yards all right at the end think pieces this week after a patriots lost is gronk done so close and yet it won't happen i mean he's not the same in the open field but that matchup when he's one-on-one against a safety used even on the winning play they were holding him and then he breaks free uses the strength and one play that

stands out to me though earlier in that drive is sony michel picking up a third and one through trash, which I think has been a huge development for this Patriots team all season. Short yardage plays were big in this game. They had a number of third and shorts where they were able to pick it up. That's a play they might not have picked up a year ago, and they did to keep that drive going. Gronk was quiet for three quarters. Chris Hogan was quiet for five games. Came up big on that third in one play deep down the field and then later on the same drive set up the score.

So Hogan finally showed up this year. I like it. I mean, I guess you can come out of this sneaky shimmy shoo. shot at Hogan, settling scores. That was a whole baked-in West narrative there in a little bit of analysis. He did come up big with the game on the line. That's awesome. I'm not concerned about the chiefs after this, though.

I come out of this completely encouraged by the Kansas City Chiefs. Defense, obviously, the consistently lingering issues with their defense, but I have no problem with the way they dealt with this game. Who comes into Foxborough and puts up 40 points like this? and they can score points and bunches so quickly, and they had the Patriots on the ropes till the very end here. They could have to stop, though.

But that's their issue, but they're not going to play this offense every week. Yeah, but I think the Patriots defense showed what the trouble is. You cannot take away Kelsey and Tyreek Hill. Pick your poison one or the other. Right, and the Patriots defense played well for a half. You know, they played good situational football, but they didn't force any punts until five minutes left in the game.

And I welcome it. Like this is, I know you're uncomfortable with it, Dan, this, like, offense-led league sort of we're in right now. These are the two teams that have probably adopted, like a game with no defense is what I'm saying. It's not your favorite style of football. No, no, no. I don't love games that are no punts and all that stuff.

No, and I'm with you, Dan. And a lot of people. I agree with you guys. Right. I think a lot of people feel that way. And these are the two teams that I think have adopted some of the college concepts and the offense, offense,

and the offense, spread approach more than any. And I think there's going to just be more games like this, where it comes down to making like one defensive play, like the Patriots did when it was cover zero and they went all out to get that one punt. The Chiefs fall from the ranks of the unbeaten. It is just the Los Angeles Rams left now in that club. And more importantly, the Patriots now have the head-to-head tiebreaker on the Chief. So you've got to track all this stuff.

The Patriots, year after year after year after year, get a first round by because they seem to win these games and they put themselves in position. gets down to a situation where these teams finished with the identical record, it would be New England that has the buy. So keep an eye on that. The Chiefs, I think, are fine. They went toe to toe. But I really do think, and who knows, there's a report out there. It depends how much you trust this particular insider. But Patrick Peterson could be on the block in Arizona, although Steve Wilkes apparently shot that down vociferously. But I would be very aggressive on the market if I was the Chiefs, because I do feel like maybe you're one defensive impact player away from going

to the Super Bowl, and I worry that this defense is going to keep them from playing in Atlanta in February. Are the Patriots on defense in a much better position overall? They can't rush the pass so they could not get to Patrick Mahomes on any level. This game just played out the way that you would want two of the most intriguing offenses in the NFL to operate. It was a lot like the Super Bowl. 950 total yards, 83 points, back and forth, could have gone to either team. Right. Mark called it. the minute it happened, when the Chiefs scored on their 12-second touchdown drive to Tyreek Hill, that just timing-wise, that was sort of the best way the Patriots could give up that touchdown.

And the odds were saying the Patriots probably were going to give up a touchdown on that drive. So they had three minutes and 10 seconds to work it, and you would take Tom Brady's chances in that scenario every time. So 38, 38, and 43, that's a Patriot scoring in their last three games. Well, that's the crazy thing is that any offensive worries from earlier in the season seemed to be a long time ago, right? For New England? Yes. Which is essentially how we always feel by about October 18th. I don't think anybody bought into the Patriots are in trouble on offense narrative.

They don't look explosive. I know they just scored 43 points and racked up 500 yards, but that was against the Chief's defense, which gives up almost 500 yards every game. But to me, they're still, like, reliant on Sony Michelle and James White. They still scored 30 plus and four of six games this year. 24 in the first half for three straight games. You know, a month ago, you didn't have Edelman. You didn't have Josh Gordon. I think both of those players are still, you know, rounding into shape in this offense.

One last note from the Chief's defense side. Breeland Speaks, the rookie, Chris Collinsworth made a big deal of this. The scramble for the touchdown, Brady's final touchdown of the game, speaks seem to have him wrapped up for a sack and then let up on him. which allowed Brady to kind of sidestep in slow motion into daylight and then get into the end zone. I'd be interested to hear after the game. We're not going to hear it,

but you'll know by the time you listen to this probably, whether Speak says that he did that because he didn't want to get a penalty, which would be a bummer. But he did seem to ease up on Brady when he had a chance to have a huge sack. That would have made it fourth down. And I believe what was the situation at that point? The Patriots would have been kicking for a tie field, though. Are we letting defenders off the?

hook for this? To me, that's not acceptable. Take him down. Right. And honestly, watching it, I think he was just a big guy that was moving too fast and fell. That's what I'm saying. I think it was more clumsiness. I was a little surprised that Collinsworth was so strong on it. I want to hear from the player. But you could see it that way. And I'd be interested to see what happens. But there you go. Big game. That's going to be one of the better prime time games. We see this season. And yes, like maybe happened at midfield, you know, somebody probably said,

See you in January. A lot of, there was a lot of tension in the room during that whole game. I mean, it was, it was. Oh, yeah. A lot of attention. There was some fiery in this room, yeah. Right. Just two people rooting for the Patriots, two people.

Lock it up. Not so much. Wes, five and oh now. Six and a six and a. Congratulations. Thank you. That was a nail biter. Who thinks you're going to lose?

I don't. I think you're going straight through this show. I do not think I'm going to go undefeated. We will be back on the next time. you see us slash hear us will be Tuesday our Twitter

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