NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2019 Combine GM/ Coaches Takeaways Part 2

Episode Date: March 1, 2019

Lucas Oil Stadium filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal are boots on the ground in Indianapolis at the NFL Combine to get the latest information from general managers and coaches around the league. The heroes break down the news including Jason Witten's return to the Cowboys (2:35), Antonio Brown's future being unclear with the 49ers (9:28) and what the Panthers are up to this offseason. (15:49) The heroes sit down with Lance Zierlein to compare Baker Mayfield to Kyler Murray (23:33) and they bring you their personal hottest combine takeaways (33:10).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Day two of the press conferences here, Indianapolis at the 2018 NFL scouting, 2019 NFL scouting. We are here at Lucas Oil Stadium, one of the finest facilities in this country to play professional football. My humble opinion, Mark, yay, or nay. day two has a way of feeling like day 22 i think that you're a constant praise of this uh stadium has something to do with the fact that the only time we've ever watched actual football in here one game the total utter demise of the patriots there has to be some psychic link total or utter

for my money yeah the most painful the most painful he told me something in the airport today in the elevator to his mind greg believes that is the worst patriots loss of his lifetime not 18 and one No, I think that one was worse. I've said this on the podcast before because it was the second time around. Brady wasn't playing well. You thought they would never get another chance again. And it was the Giants beating them a second time. So it was even worse.

And he just thought it was over. Greg also told me that he's still smug about this year's Super Bowl. Well, this is separate. But you were, you memorably, at least in my mind, told me I've never seen more smug after a Super Bowl than this. He was right, at least in terms of that. And I now weeks later agree. No Super Bowl win has ever made me happen. You said you don't want next season to start.

Let's just keep them as the champions. Let's not even move on. After we've been. Bathe in this, Ricky, right? Come on. After we finish recording the show, we're all going to go find the elevator door where Giselle said, Tom can't throw the ball and catch it as well.

That's what Giselle sounds like. Nailed it. All right. Big show. Big Thursday. Friday show, early Friday show, we're going to get a lot of more press conference reactions. This was the second day coaches and GMs, not as many as on Wednesday, so not as much news. But, you know, the NFL calendar has a way, the NFL cycle has a way of dropping a bomb when you want one.

We're like, oh, we're missing maybe a hammer dropper to start today's show. And then what happens? Jason Whitten. ESPN analyst or he was because he's out of the booth Monday night football that's over no more Jason Witten no more Ricky he's out west you could listen to you can watch NFL games on Monday night with the volume up again because Witten is out of the booth where is he going well you know it he's back on the Dallas Cowboys after a one year hiatus as it turns out he's going to return to the Cowboys for a 16th season.

This was genuinely marked shocking news because, I mean, the last time we saw Jason Whitten, it was pretty much done it seemed like. I took a nap during the middle of the day today and woke up. And the reason I didn't tweet about this. Never stop grinding, Mark. Well, no, but it's like I woke up and I signed. Or just stop grinding for like three hours. I read that Jason Witten had unretired.

And I thought that in my mind, I thought that Jason Garrett had retired while I fell asleep and then unretired before I woke up. But it was Jason Witten, and it is a, I kind of feel like there's something much deeper happening here. We can get into that. I think the Cowboys view him as a long-term asset that may be more of a coaching asset down the road, and they're masking it in all this pretty escape from what was an unpleasant job for him.

From another angle, the football gods occasionally just look down on the entire populace that roots for the game and says, we must make a course correction. This is a thankful course correction I think first of all for Jason Witten But for people like Wes and myself Who found those broadcasts Rather in Talbra I will say you might need to go a little deeper

With that announcing team It's not just him But there's more to talk about You called it a pretty escape And I had a feeling that this is like a heist It's kind of like the perfect plan Was that the Bill Paxton movie You gotta have a perfect plan

To get out of this broadcast crew On Monday Night Football And I think it happened They pulled off a heist I guess so, but I don't think, in where this is off topic, but I don't think he was ever coming back. I know they said that publicly, but that was before the last few games,

and I will go to my grave believing that the Christmas Eve telecast when they were doing the Raiders game. And then 45 minutes of the Pro Bowl, which I also watched, were two of maybe the worst telecasts of any American major sports. And they could feel, they were a 1 in 14 team who the coach hadn't been fired, and they felt this pressure, and it was bad. No one wants to enjoy sports like that. He seems like a nice guy.

So it works out great for him and for the viewers. I don't know if it works out great for the Cowboys, though. This is a team that always is like holding on to their past and being too sentimental and not really self-scouting. And why are you paying Jason Witton $3.5 to $5 million to play 25 snaps, they say, when he had 8.9 yards per catch the last time. I mean, he couldn't move, and he just sat out a year, and he's 37 years old. That was my initial take.

When I first heard the news, I was like, okay, it feels like the cowboys are doing one of their great sons, a big time solid. They want to get him back in the building. Maybe they have eyes on him joining the coaching staff. Maybe they just have him in the building for training camp, the summer programs, OTAs. And then he could, you know, reevaluate. Do I really want to play? Or do I just step away from the game? And I already got my nice out out of Monday Night Football to keep my dignity intact.

But the $3.5 million thing is what's a little bit strange to me because now that is not going to blow up anybody's salary cap. But that is a decent amount of scratch for, yeah, the reports out there, Wes, he's playing Antonio Gates snaps. And Gates was basically a non-entity on the charges this year. There are different ways to run a franchise and certainly not everybody has to do what the Patriots do. But you could never see the Patriots making a move like this. Never. In fact, you could never see any legitimate Super Bowl contender doing something like this, devoting that much of their pay. I know 3.5 to 5 million isn't, you know, what a quarterback makes, but they have a lot of guys

to pay, Byron Jones, Zeke Elliott, Amori Cooper, Dak Prescott, DeMarcus Lawrence, Dak Prescott, sooner or later Jalen Smith, I mean, and then you're just throwing away money on a tight end? They fall in love with these guys, and part of the reason they have to play DeMarcus Lawrence so much money is because they wouldn't give up on Randy Gregory or David Irving, no matter what they did as Dallas Cowboys, they just couldn't give it up. So now those guys are gone. Gregory is suspended. Irving's going to leave by a free agency.

But it's because they want to hold on to their guys. And I know Witten's a totally different case. He's a classic guy. And they just did, you know, an hour and a half long, you know, press conference, goodbye to him. I want my, you know, time back from that. That was ridiculous. But it just doesn't make sense to me.

Because you're, it's a, he's a progress. I just, I think this has very little to do ultimately with Jason Witten, the player, or Jason Witten filling a. giant tight end need for the Cowboys. They had Jason Garrett in house outside of a short break essentially for two decades. And Jerry Jones is on

record saying, we see people, we want to make them part of the Jerry Jones family and grow them. And they've talked to, there are people out there saying that they view Jason Witten as a future coach. And he has Garrett on a very short leash. And maybe this is you learn under Garrett. But I think it's funny that ultimately he attempted Jason

Winn to enter a field where his best friend the year before, when in and absolutely blew the doors off. And it's largely because of Tony Romo, his best friend, that his performance was in such contrast that in one year he's out. You have to be quickly, you have to be a broadcaster that shines right away. I was thinking Des Bryant, though, how he kind of was proven right. Keisha, the Paramour sent it out.

You know, hashtag Garrett Garret guys. I mean, it's like Jason Witten is the ultimate Garrett guy. That's fair. Until they bring Des Bryant back in August. This is the one thing. Don't rule that out. This is the one thing, Greg, when it hurts, that you are a football junkie because you watch an hour-long Cowboys press conference. You watch that Christmas Eve game between like two.

I was at work for the 13 teams. We had it on our air. You know, you watch the draft. I mean, you watch the Pro Bowl. Who does such a thing? So you kind of had to eat some of the farts on that one. Well, I have not a lot of us. I'm glad I did it because it was something.

I've watched a million different telecasts. and this was such a crazy train wreck and like the psychological thing that was going on like sometimes it's fascinating to watch just a thing in ruin and on fire and that's what that was so you literally just want to watch the world burn in that case yes

sometimes it's so bad it's good so yes it was I couldn't believe what it was happening you definitely are like a Heath Ledger Joker of the podcast I mean I'll take that Um, Antonio Brown, you heard about this guy, right? He wants to get out of town in Pittsburgh. A lot of people are connecting dots and saying, well, the 49ers, they got

Cap's base. They need a playmaker. They got a young quarterback. They really want to get going. Uh, but John Lynch, the Niners GM, he is one of the figures that was, uh, at the podium today. He had, had this to say about conversations between John Lynch and the Steelers about a potential trade.

we have not we have not you know it's it's it's funny the world we live in where you know one tweet from a player to another turns into interest and all of that but hey that is the world we live in I can tell you that like every team in this league we think the guy's a heck of a football player but we have not had talks with the Steelers I can tell you that Wes assuming he's telling the truth which maybe he's not is it telling that they haven't even picked up the phone it's very telling and we have good reason to believe he's telling the truth because our Steve Weiss reported immediately after this

that the 49ers just simply have no interest in Antonio Brown right now and we have said all along that there are going to be teams no matter how good this guy is who will not even consider him who won't have him in the building they won't bring him in they won't trade for him and it appears the 49ers are one of those teams well no one will admit to having called them at least the teams that are most likely the Browns said today, John Dorsey, that they hadn't called him. Well, he held up his cell phone and said, call me.

Right. He said, you got my number, baby. By the way, I hear, like, voices. The Jets. Who's talking in the suite? Then I look over my shoulder. It's Brown's legend Joe Thomas doing a stand-up in the suite next door. Mark, can you go tell that old legend to talk?

You know, quiet down a little bit. I have such terrible eyesight that I did not realize that was him until now, and now I'm trying to keep myself together to do the rest of the show. He's doing a rehearsal, joining the NFL Network's Combine. coverage for the Offensive Line NFL Network 9 a.m. Just like one. Or how about skip NFL Network

and take over the Monday night football job? Well, we talk about before the show if ever something happened to you, Mark, we need to put another Browns fan in. Joe Thomas is a big Browns fan. That would be a massive upgrade for you. New left tackle on the show. Joe Thomas, where were we?

Sorry. 49ers. Yes. Oh, so Weiss reports, and it's great to see Steve at the cover. One of the nice guys of the company. Absolutely. Great reporter. So you buy into what he's having to say.

So the Niners are not in play, and you wonder if this is all tied back to Antonio Brown shenanigans, if that's what is scared off for the 49ers. It's expensive to go get them, too, and it's expensive in multiple ways because you have to assess if the Niners' locker room is the right place for them, if they don't feel they can't grow their team through the draft. I think John Lynch is still committed to not mortgaging the future for one veteran.

When you are not one veteran away from becoming an ender, NFC title team. It's so unpredictable, but he has a $2.5 million roster bonus on March 17th. There's some thought that teams will just wait until after that. And in general, that the time right before the NFL draft is the most likely time that he could get traded. In other press or news, Chief's general manager, Brett Veach, took the podium and was asked about rap sheets. Veach. On Wednesday, that Kansas City is engaged in trade talks involving their former all-profileged. outside linebacker Justin Houston.

This is what he had to say. Obviously, I've seen it myself out there. Listen, Justin Houston is a great player, and our deal is to acquire and maintain as many great players as you can. He goes on to say that he's in communications with GM. So essentially, he does not shoot it down. They're trying to move this man. They're trying to move him.

And Rapsheet has reported that there is legitimate interest in a trade. For a guy with a cap number around $15 million, And he's maybe past his prime a little bit, but he and D Ford last year were the only two teammates in the top 10 in pressure rate. He was still getting the job done. He's solid. I mean, he stops the run.

He rushes the passer. I mean, he's not quite what he was when he signed that $100 million contract, but it says a lot when he's going to get, he might get to the end of that $100 million contract. And that almost never happened. I love when these guys, and this has happened a couple times during this combine, and I feel for them because what do they say for 15 minutes when they're just trying to not give away any information.

It's like, oh, I've seen that report out there. Oh, have you? I mean, you honestly are generating and taking calls and calling people and discussing this. You're not finding this out from some jobrony to tweet it about it. How about that? Real journal work. Well, you were doing that. It elicited an answer that annoyed me, so thank you, Greg.

Mark and I were sitting down comparing notes about the exact ways in what our bodies were breaking down. And we noticed the similarities between Greg and Brett Veach. It was like they looked at each other, and it was the Spider-Man meme? Yeah. I mean, I think that's the cruelest thing you've ever said to me. What? Did you look like Brett Veach? I mean, who wants to be Brett Veach?

You also made the comparison. I said it off the bat. I was like, you know, if I got to play someone in the movie, it's probably Veach, but let's face it. It's not great. What's wrong with Veach? Let's face it. Beach isn't getting picked first in the basketball game. I mean, his name is Brett Veach.

Let's start there. what's wrong with that it was not a guy usually is like a star athlete or i don't think by the way i don't think anyone's giving up much for just this is like some pick swap nonsense in the fifth to fourth round it's like that that's how players like that get traded um other news a lot of quarterback news of the combatants ron rivera uh of the panthers the head coach uh said that the team is comfortable with kyle allen and taylor heineke backing up cam newton heading into 2019 why is this notable. Cam Newton just had another shoulder surgery and all the reports Mark have been very good that Cam, it went from right after the season ended. Is this guy, is he going to miss the 2019

season to now that he might be ready for training camp? And it's a great sign and the idea that the Panthers don't feel like they need to go get an established type backup of Tyrod Taylor or someone of that nature. Another good sign that Cam will be ready to roll. I mean, the best thing you can do as a coach or GM has come here and bury a narrative that would linger for months if there was anything that went in a different direction so when you say we're not going to pursue anyone also who are you going to pursue they have they believe in their backup they're fine it's like there's no reason to get that's it was it was well it was addressing that's what it was because people think because tepper's kind of put little there's been breadcrumbs

that that and the agent for capernick put the panthers out there as kind of the most likely team so i think that was Rivera's way of saying he said if we had a quarterback and be via the draft. We're not signing a veteran. I think he was just like kind of letting that narrative down lightly. I guess I'll sit out there as someone that doesn't believe that any of the owners at this point has any interest in signing Colin Kaepernick. I think some would, including like a David Deppard. But it's fine to put out that PR out there that makes you look like that next level thinking owner, but then you never do it.

By the way, we heard from a Panthers fan that mentioned we haven't really said them, talked about them on the podcast for like four straight shows. So here we are in the Panthers lair. RAR, now that's it was. Let's get that on video. But there was a few other nuggets from Rivera, though. And the biggest one is that Greg Olson said he's coming back next year, which I kind of thought he might be done. And then that was before the Jason Whitten news.

We know that Greg Olson tried out for that Monday Night Football role. It makes you wonder, would he be a candidate? I need a break from productive veteran tight ends. Right. And so I, in it, but the big takeaway for me was he's playing, and the Panthers want him back. and they expect them back. And they're also bringing back Matt Khalil,

who signed one of the worst contracts in the NFL, signed by Dave Gettelman when he was still there. Now it's been too much Panthers suck. Remember the old Jordan Gross retirement press conference? Oh, yeah. Oh, with the band played, wasn't it? Wait until they do this one with Julius Peppers, Thomas Davis, and Ryan Khalil,

all walking away from the Panthers in the same year. Ooh. What was it? They were the Acapella singers. You were really upset about that. because you were just like, ooh, Jordan Gross, you know. Put some respect on his name. It just seemed a little silly.

Is there anything in the world that is in more constant agony than Greg Olson's feet? No, it's got to be on a top three list. Well, my ears are fine now that it's out of the boots. Why about Mark's leg? That is in hot shape. Mark was limping around the press conferences today. He's a real warrior. Then he took a three-hour nap, and he's back to normal.

Oh, I'm the only one that rested today during our four-hour break. Grind 30 for me, man. Hey, I was putting up that third debrief for the week. Oh, yeah. We know, we know, because you make that painfully clear for everyone in the company. What is that? Bunsen burner blow torch. One final thought.

If we're in the Panthers' lair, we're in the Panthers' lair. If the Panthers never signed Colin Kaepernick, the previous owner once asked Cam Newton before he drafted him if he has any tattoos. And if he had tattoos, he wouldn't be the face of the last. the franchise that would be the ultimate 180 for an organization over 10 years remember that nonsense yes oh my goodness jerry richardson where are you now let's move on the nineteen lock that statue down take it down mr garbache off yeah that was a solid 10 minutes on the carolina panthers yeah whoever was tweeting at us pipe down now let's move on it's probably like a burner account for david ely our boy less need the rams gm

nice guy. He's been successful in his post in recent seasons. He was at the podium. He talked about Todd Gurley. Obviously, Todd Gurley continues to be a mystery man, even now weeks after the Super Bowl about his usage down the stretch and whether he was healthy or not. Well, the GM expounded Thursday on Gurley's situation and addressed the question about how the team will manage the 24-year-old's usage moving forward. Let's hear what he had to say. I think where we have to go is to fast forward to now is with Todd, he's had a lot of carry since he's coming in the league and a lot of yards, a lot of touchdowns, things like that.

So obviously, senior year, junior year, Georgia did the ACL. So over that time, there's an element of wear and tear. And I think we have to determine in probably two stages, right, are we going to give him the amount of load that he's had in the past? Are we going to lessen that load to, let's say, keep him fresher for the season and for seasons beyond? Wes, your thoughts on these comments. This one, Wes got a little sauce up on this one.

Well, I'm drunk, but you know, you were interested by these comments. Well, first of all, I love the less need little verbal habit, little tradition that he has. of he always says, and then you got Todd Gurley and his workload. He's a little ward down. And we're going to have, let's call it a Batman and Robin situation in the backfield. Or let's say it's a Batman and Robin situation. I don't want to hear Batman and Robin after you made Todd Gurley the highest paid player in the game. That's quite a come down.

That's quite a come down that you're going to have an A. Well, he would be Batman. Yeah, one of the highest grossing movies of all time. You're going to have an A and a B now in your backfield? Ask my son, Harry, and Jack. for that matter, my older son. Batman is the man. So I think it's okay for Todd to be Batman.

And C.J. Anderson is not a bad Robin for that. Why do they just bring them both back? Good luck signing someone and telling them the Robin. I mean, he's not fitting into that Robin outfit. Paid him to be Superman, not Batman. But I think you're right to point this out, too, West, that both Sneed and Sean McVeigh, who also spoke Thursday, kind of went out of their way to talk about this issue

that they need to think about backing off of Gurley's workload. So I think it is a real thing that they're worrying. They mentioned his ACL injury that he had in college, that they want to maybe limit him to, I don't know, I'm just going to throw out a number, like 300, 300, 300, 300, instead of, you know, getting closer to 400.

But a lot of it is a way to not come around and say, yes, he was not himself down the stretch and it was health-related. No one inside the Rams organization will admit that outside of CJ Anderson. Wait, people are speculating about Gurley's knee? this is ripe for a pretty good conversation i think we should really dive into this let's dig in because i feel like it's been under discussed it really has um moving on you ready to move on let's move on kiler murray heard of that guy talk about some prospects 2019 NFL scouting combine

and he's the big name the quarterback out of oklahoma the reigning a heisman trophy winner finally after weeks and weeks and weeks of buildup he measured in he came in just a touch over 510 he was over 200 pounds his hands were nine and a half inches which i guess is fine i don't know seems okay and uh i'm fine with it and he's meeting with a ton of teams including the raiders uh wonder the cardinals we'll see um so here we go the kiler murray train is rolling on the Twitter show that we are around the NFL Twitter show on Thursday, I thought it was interesting. We had our boy Lance Zerline on the show, and he had something interesting to say about Murray and not Johnny Mansell, excuse me, Baker Mayfield and how Baker has kind of opened a door

for Kyle. Let's listen into that. How about that? You want to just play a clip? Yeah, it's good. Play that clip. My grade on Kyler Murray this year is going to be higher than it was for Baker Mayfield last year. Wow. But you need to know perspective is that Baker Mayfield opened the door for me to give Kyler Murray a higher grade. So I actually like Baker Mayfield more in the process than Kyler Murray, but I was still in that six-foot quarterback club coming from an Oklahoma offense.

It's like the NFL's open to this now or opening up to it. It happens that fast, so. And I know it seems crazy, but as soon as you had that success from Baker, I thought the door open, wide open for Kyler Murray in some circles. And it did for me. I try to keep an open mind with my process because it needs to be fluid because the league has

never been more fluid than right now. There you go. Lance said it. He might, he doesn't have the size mark. But as we saw with Manz, I said it again, Baker Mayfield last year who didn't have huge hands, who wasn't the biggest guy. It didn't matter with Baker. He's a star. Well, and it was a year ago that people

were making lazy comparisons between Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manzell. and that he blew that away, too, that it's also the persona. And I think that you heard more coaches this time around than any time before talking about spread offenses and quarterbacks operating almost exclusively out of the shotgun, which removes some of the height issue and all this other nonsense that, you know, the NFL has for a long time, for a long time been an outpost for old thinking that refused to acknowledge the way that college football was evolving. And you can't do that anymore because as soon as one or two or three teams decide to embrace that, everyone else is catching up.

And it goes right down to the physical makeup of a quarterback. Yeah, we talk about all the time how quickly change happens in the NFL. And I thought that was another interesting thing that Lance said that this really has changed that much the way coaches around the league think of smaller quarterbacks now that they think if Baker Mayfield can come out of that offensive Oklahoma and be success in the NFL, it really lessens their doubts about Kyler. I mean, Gruden said this morning, he just doesn't think heights that big of a factor. And the more you hear Gruden and they're going to meet with him, I don't know, don't you just think Gruden and Mike Mayack are going to just fall in love with one of these guys. Maybe it's not Murray. Maybe it's Dwayne Haskins or whoever.

I'm with you. And just like think that, hey, we don't plan to be up here that much. And Gruden just loves changing out. Like that's kind of what I've based. Like Mark's talked about, you know, the Raiders trading Derek Carr. And the reason it seems so believable because it just seems. like exactly what John Gruden's done throughout his career as a coach and personnel decision maker is make that type of move. I'm with you too, Mark.

I think by the time this whole process is over, Murray's the first guy that comes up on stage. I mean, I think so too, but I think that also the trading, if it's the Raiders who want to try to get up there with a whole trade Derek Carr, it's a bad off season to try to trade anyone. Well, and it's so tricky. They're handling it better than, let's say, the Cardinals. We should talk about the Josh Rosen Instagram deletion story, right? Because it's also, it's on the agenda mark. It's sort of connected, you know.

Let's talk about it. I mean, it's connected that Rosen, you know, deleted his pictures or posts on Instagram that included the card. He went much like Mark Brady, our shadowy league figure, who's really stepping up his selfie game lately. What is Mark Brady's Instagram handle? Let's get everybody to follow him. Mark Patrick Brady. Do us a favor. It's a free show.

Everyone, go follow Mark Patrick Brady on Instagram. Let's see how many people. Let's see how many followers you can get. Let's check right now where Mark's at. Let's get 60,000 new followers over the next 72 hours. We want Mark Patrick Brady to have more followers than any of us. Let's see. So he deleted.

Josh Rosen, you know, deleted all the post. with the Cardinals on it, much like Mark Brady is going to delete all of his around the NFL post the second, like he forces us out of the company. Hey, we're helping him out. And it turns out that he actually said on Twitter that he was hacked four or five days ago,

and it seems like that's when all the pictures were taken away. So it was before these recent Steve Kime comments, which is just ultra confusing, but either way, the Cardinals' picks were taken away. He's got a crazy. He's been annoyed with the Cardinals. He was annoyed at the, because I totally think, he did it. I think he scrubbed his profile because he's annoyed about the lack of support he's

getting and the speculation around the idea that the Cardinals could be ready to move on. And can you imagine if that is indeed the case and he scrubbed those Cardinals photos five days ago what he felt about Steve Kimes' comments to the world on Wednesday, it is fast becoming. And again, this is speculation. But if that's what happened, a toxic situation with a kid who's 22, 23 years old that you just took and you put him on a bad team. That was, that team was crap last year

with no support around him and now you're going to fall out of love with him and kind of drag him through the mud a little bit. I get why he's mad. Now, he should have been more savvy to realize everyone tracks everything on the gram like Mark Patrick Brady, who he could follow.

It was 230 followers right now. 165. 165 followers. Let's put two zeros on that. Let's put a couple zeros on that. Let's go for it at Mark Patrick Brady. We don't ask you much, but we ask you for that. But anyway, he shouldn't have done that, Josh Rosen,

because in this world, people track those things. But I get it. I get why he's angry. But he did that because people track those things. I mean, that's the whole point of it. I mean, that's the idea. Julio Jones takes off all the Atlanta Falcon stuff because he wants people to know.

That's how he's sending a message, right? I guess he could be doing that too. We need to get him on record. I mean, if he thinks it's like some private things. He just needs to take the Cardinals out of his heart. That's insane. He knows that people are going to see it. Right.

No doubt. And as much as yesterday, it's complicated. Let's say they do want to trade Josh Rosen. They're in a fine spot. They have a number one overall draft pick, and Josh Rosen has plenty of value. It's not the worst thing in the world if Josh Rosen got traded. At least not for the Cardinals. Yeah, maybe let him know ahead of time if you're going to go to a press conference

and say that he is just right now a starting quarterback. And I have seen and heard, some people think that if Josh Rosen came out this year, he would be the number one quarterback picked in the draft. So I wonder if there was an actual trade, how deflated his value would be. I don't think he would be the number one quarterback picked by the Cardinals at number one this year. I think that's the big issue. That's fair. I think you could still get a first round.

You'd absolutely get a first round pick for him. By the way, maybe he would have been, though, because Steve Kheim is the – this isn't a new GM either. It's not like it's a new regime came in and fell out of love with a kid. Like Kime loved Rosen enough to take him in the first round. Yeah, but I think a lot of this comes down to Cliff Kingsbury's offense versus who was there last year. I don't think this would be an issue if Steve Wilkes were still there or anyone else. All right. Let's move on.

Some legal news. Let's circle back to the Robert Kraft situation. The Patriots owner has pleaded not guilty to solicitation charges according to court documents released on Thursday. um craft's attorney filed a written plea with the palm beach county court on wednesday craft he wants a non-jury trial authorities of course they craft entered a florida massage parlor for sex acts on the morning of the a fc title game which is a interesting wrinkle to this whole story then got on a plane and attended uh the game in kansas city that day so this uh whole story which is obviously a bad look for the Patriots.

It's a bad look for Kraft. And what could it mean? We don't know. We're going to find out whether or not he gets prosecuted or successfully prosecuted down in Florida. We'll find out what kind of punishment he gets. There's a good chance he gets punishment by the NFL, which does not need a guilty, anybody to be found guilty to still get punished in the league. Think back to Jim Ursay, who actually did get punished by the law as well.

But he got suspended in a big fine. You imagine Kraft could be in line for that. But there are other factors, Greg, as well, that Kraft could be up against after what was a highly unfortunate event in his life. I'm not even going to put an opinion on this, but I heard that there's some talk among Hall of Fame voters here at the Combine wondering about how that would impact his chances and that they thought it would. That it's very important to him to be a Hall of Famer and that this certainly could be something that would get in the way of that. The voters are specifically instructed not to take any of that into account when they're voting. Which is really frustrating, I agree, West, because they seem to totally go back on. They do.

They do. In other news, legal news, Demarius Thomas, who we last saw being carted off the field with a lower leg injury, wide receiver with the Texans. It was big years, of course, with the Broncos. He's been arrested on allegations including vehicular assault. stemming from a crash earlier this month. So just add Wes. I don't know. Did he land on the top 101 free agents?

No. He didn't make it. This is a guy that already has had a great career in the NFL. His back was against a wall on the wrong side of 30 coming off a lower body injury. Now he has legal proceedings. It is not going to be a hot free agent market, put it that way. No, because he's not going to be able to work out for a while with that Achilles injury. And the last two teams that had him, the Broncos and Texans, have no real interest.

in him this time around the Texans, their G.A. and Brian game was talking today. And he really likes his wide receiver core right now with Kiki QT emerging and Will Fuller coming back from an ACL injury. I mean, he got bigger problems, though. That's a no-joke. Yeah. Vehicular, you know, that's a no-joke charge that he's facing. All right. That's what's kind of happening in the news. Like yesterday, it was fun yesterday. We did some other takeaways from what we've seen in the last 24 hours or so. Greg, want to get us going with some other takeaways? Oh, wow.

What, do you want me to get it going? No, I can go ahead. How about this? I've noticed the last couple days with the Vikings talking, Rick Spielman, Mike Zimmer. Gary Kubiak is running the show in that building on offense. There's a guy, Kevin Zofansky is there. I don't know if you remember. He was the offensive coordinator after the –

You know, made a change in December last year. He interviewed for a head coach job. He has a title of offensive coordinator. It doesn't matter. Kubez has come in there. He's running the show. He brought all these assistants in. They're not even trying to hide it.

They're bringing his entire running scheme. They're going to look for different zone runners. And the way Zimmer was talking about Kubiak, he's just, like, excited to hear Kubek talk about all the old days under Bill Walsh and all this stuff. It's just a strange situation, but they're acknowledging that Stifanski, who has the title of offensive coordinator, is basically reporting to Kubiak. I can't remember a setup quite like that before, but I guess it can work.

Kevin Stefansky, like the analytics department in Cleveland, there was a cross-section of them that thought he very highly of him as the perfect mixture to make the next head coach. And maybe Mike Zimmer is not caring so much about the analytics results on Kevin Stefansky. I think Gary Kubiak is sort of like the offensive version of Wade Phillips. He's one of the best offensive coordinators of this century. I agree. Let me throw something out there.

I don't think it's really been anybody's kind of speculated on that. But Doug Baldwin, the star whiteout for the Seahawks, Pete Carroll revealed during his presser that Baldwin underwent knee and shoulder surgeries after the season. This is a guy that seems to be beat up a lot. He also is now on the wrong side of 30. I checked out over the cap, which is a great resource for anybody that follows football. And the Seahawks are flush with cap space, $75 million. excuse me they have 51 million in cast base which puts them in the top 10 i wonder if they

would be a suitor for antonio brown uh seattle it's a situation where pittsburgh could send him out of the conference far far away and uh russell wilson gets a big big weapon which he could probably use especially with baldwin coming off uh some surgeries i i had the thought while i was listening to john schneider yesterday that or wednesday that they are happy with their wide receiver core. Tyler Lockett had a really good year. DJ Moore emerged as a pretty good number three. And Baldwin will eventually be healthy again.

You're right. You never know if he'll be the same player. Who's made more like kind of big time surprising trades though than the Seahawks, Percy Harvey, and they've been doing Brown. Like they're not afraid to go make a big splash. They'll give up first round picks too. I mean, it's...

I like that. That would fit the Pittsburgh side. They, that would fit for Pittsburgh. I think also Seattle surprised a lot of us last year by, by turning things around very quickly. But they still, I feel like they might need more to get over the hump and be a real NFC threat. And yes, maybe it's a crowded situation there if you had Antonio Brown.

But all of a sudden, I mean, Russell Wilson, people kind of sleep on how awesome he was last year. Statistically, never threw fewer passes. And yet through 35 touchdowns, barely turned the ball over. That's a fun spot. I mean, it's like Brian Schottenheimer and Antonio Brown. What could go wrong? Uh, Wes, you got a takeaway? Yeah, I think we've been doing this show about six years now.

And for the bulk of that time, I mean, for 99% of the time, I've thought very little of the Cleveland Browns and their leadership and their chances of ever getting out of the hole that they were in. And I think way differently about them now. After hearing John Dorsey and Freddie Kitchens, and Dorsey was saying Thursday morning, Freddy is, he's real, he's honest, he believes in family, he's a checkier ego at the door kind of guy. and we kind of wondered if he just got the job because he was good with Baker Mayfield. And I think what we saw at the Combine

is if Freddie Kitchen got the job because he deserved to have the job. And that now he and the GM are in lockstep on this team, on what's going on. I think this is a team with an extremely bright future and I love everything going on with the Cleveland Browns right now. Well, in the end, he took a selfie with Mark Sessler. I mean, I would say, I took one with him.

I don't think it was. What was it? You were walking by? And you saw, you just, like, magically saw him? I left Dan and Erica and the rest last night, and I had the worst sense of direction, and it took me, like, 20 minutes longer to walk home than it should have. And this little tavern next to our hotel was closing,

and I basically looked through the door and saw Freddy Kitchens and a bunch of, like, burly football dudes. Hang on me, I'm going to walk in there, and I'm going to get a photo with this guy, and I did, and then I went home. But he couldn't have been nicer. He was totally cool, and everyone around him. Some guys were like, wait, who is that? They didn't even know it was Freddy Kitchens.

these other two dudes that were sit there already sitting there talking to him. He looks like an every man. He's a big guy, Freddy, but yeah, I can see he doesn't maybe cut the figure of like a John Harbaugh type, you know. But he scored points with me in my head for not being at like some she-she like must-be-seen place.

He was somewhere where it was just dudes hanging out. Was it low millers or whatever that place? But I didn't want to, I mean, I don't want people running out there to try to find him the rest of the week, but it seemed like his place. You're so protective. Not every GM would have hired him because he doesn't care about.

image he's not extremely polished he doesn't fit the prototype of what you're looking for he's almost a little too real and genuine john dorsey by the way revealed he always wears that same brown sweatshirt he has seven of them same shirt he's like home for every day of the week yeah he just wears one every day and he wore him with like very baggy brown corduroy so i like the whole thing is we've been noticing his sense of style and nice sneakers though like i mean it's a bit but he's sticking with it uh mark you got a takeaway you know i was i think all last season. Actually, the last couple years, the Rams, they annoyed me and I couldn't quite figure out why, because there's a lot to like. They're in our hometown. My kids start

to like the Rams. What is my issue? But it was just too easy for them. And they were suddenly in the Super Bowl. And to me, I just, I like to see teams go through stuff. And I thought that Sean McVeigh, you know, who could have taken today's press conference in a lot of different directions. And in the past, you've heard like, oh, we've got to spend, you know, I think with the Falcons lost to the Patriots, there was such a narrative, like the whole team psychologically trying to overcome that and they really essentially haven't but the rams under mcvay i thought because i watched him on the set early on with good morning football and then come over and talk to everyone else i buy into him entirely as much as you could because i think that

he's built to take the rams back and that they he he talked about liking this much as as much as he ever ever has february into march into april and this whole process that it's not just how do we get back to 6 and 0 there's a lot else to do i find them more likable now because they've been through something they've been knocked down let's see if they can get back up he he said on pro football talk today he's gone from uh boy wonder to boy blunder he's pretty good he's got lines that's well done that's a good way to motivate yourself i it is i think actually i know it's been talked about but almost not enough was made for the amount of praise the heaping praise and earned sean mcvay's gotten in the last two years how bad they played in that series

Super Bowl and offense. And obviously the quarterback was a big problem. And Gurley, whatever was going on with Todd Gurley is a big issue. But their inability to ever dig out. And even really. He scored three points in the year 2019. And that was their identity. I mean, it has to sting every Super Bowl lost, things like crazy.

But the way they lost that just has to. You go into halftime. Like, all right, McVeigh is going to draw something up. It just never happened. And that was some shine was taken off. And he's got to bounce back from that. I learned a little nugget, you know, I've been talking about Skangarello, the offensive coordinator of the Broncos.

Kind of an X factor in the 2019. No, not Skango. Everyone calls them Skangs. That's the truth. That's the nugget. I was just like, oh, I was talking about it. He's like, oh, yes, you know, Skang's did. Or no, it was John Lynch.

It was like, Skang's did a great job last year, you know, coaching up Jimmy Garoppel and all this stuff. It's like, you know, Skang's, you know, that's what I learned about Skang's. What would you want the nickname to be if you were him? Skango or Skangs or Skangie? Skank. I would say skank. Skang is terrible. Skank, get over here. I mean, I'm sure he's gotten that.

Yeah. If you guys heard maybe during the pressers a little chirp of a canary, maybe the smell like of sulfur, let's guess two Coaltown guys were chatting. And listen, growing up in Pearl River, it's different. It's different. It bonds you. because it is working class.

It is people trying to survive. Bucolic, like one percenters trying to survive. Day by day, just trying to get by. And it's a brotherhood. And so when Brian Gain, who grew up in Pearl River, Quake Lane, when I see him on the podium, I have to grab him. I go, hey, Pearl River, man.

Me too. We have a nice chat. And I share a little news that surprised him. that back in the late 90s, 1998, I was a senior in high school. And during a study hall class, we had a substitute teacher. And it was none other than 23-year-old Brian Gain, who at the time was trying to catch on with the Jets and the Giants and even the Colts practice squad.

He never made it to the NFL. But he had a nice college career, I believe, at Delaware, played a Don Bosco Prep right over the border in Jersey. But he had Pearl River guys. his parents still live in Pearl River, and he was my study hall teacher. I remember talking to him and being obviously, I was about 17, he was 23, just being in awe of this dude who seemed to be on the right path. And it turned out that he was.

What was his response to this? He was very cool. He was nice about it. And he said, like I mentioned my friend Bob, who I do the throwback podcast with, who lived, grew up like three doors down. And Bob's family used to call the games, the basketball. boys because all the brothers used to be in the driveway playing basketball all the time I'm sure it was an athletic family I mean I know in the in the with the with the

cold town situation the respiratory issues when you're an adult are very uh heavy and encumberately how is he doing with that did you notice there in the press conference he was hacking a lot I didn't because he was wearing like um he got a v-necked sweater and a red two hundred dollar shirt and looked like kind of the dad from 90210 to me yeah he he got out and I got out and I love pro river to this day but we could you can take us at a pro River. So does the magazine that said it was one of the nicest places to live in America. And you know what that magazine's right?

Absolutely right. Don't take it away from this. Well, what about when you brought up a story, you know, you're trying to like get in good with him and you said, oh, yeah, I remember you said that day that you were going to see private parts, the Howard Stern movie, and then he just shot your story right then. Nope, that wasn't me. He said that wasn't me. And you know what?

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe I was talking. to a different substitute teacher but my memory is pretty clear that he was pumped up to see that movie but it wasn't like he wasn't a jerk about it he's like no you got the wrong guy but was that like the last part of your conversation I don't know what

this is why you're a bad person was he a good substitute teacher is that how it ended so it didn't end well I guess it was a bad conversation as it turns out that was good it's fun for the record Brian Gain has has the look of somebody who may be like

the attorney for the coal mine company. Yeah, no, he's, listen, that's one of my big, final takeaway for me is, why are all the coaches and GMs like good looking now? Remember, like, the old days. They're, you know, Bum Phillips and all these guys that were just a wreck physically. Now it's, it's just like, come on, you're going to be better looking at this, too? I don't know if we need a shot at Bum Phillips. No, Bum's fine.

Take that back. Okay, thank you. Are you, have you noticed that as well? I have. I think it's because you're essentially the front-facing CEO at this point where they used to not do 20 minutes of media every day that NFL network and ESPN broadcast to like 4 billion homes. Yeah.

So you can't roll in there looking like, you know, 12 sheets to the wind. You haven't jogged since 1988. It doesn't fly at the same way. It would be like a good sign for the job. The guy was slovenly. He's a grinder. He's underground 23 hours a day. Chewing up tape.

Doesn't work that way. Image conscious. Now you're the CEO. I do have one final thought, gentlemen. And Tom Telesco, the GM of the Chargers, was asked about the quarterback draft class. And this is how he began his answer. Not so much Daniel Jeremiah, to give you a quarterback analysis of the group. Now, I know Telesco and obviously DJ have ties.

They know each other. And also DJ is the color guy for the Chargers. But I just want to say this, when you talk about making the leap, Greg, one of your famous series that you write, this is the combine of DJ I feel like and of course Mayock moves out of the picture and into a front office DJ more than ever

Daniel Jeremiah is having a moment right now the fact that he is now a brand that you bring up DJ as hey I'm no Daniel Jeremiah DJ and he should start a podcast because it seems like he has a lot to offer yeah he's having a moment

I got to tip my hat to the guy I got to say it and the company coming hasn't even started I mean, you're right. He's going to be, the football world's going to be watching him Saturday and Sunday and throughout. He's probably going to be a general manager in like three years. Yeah, I think when he, because now if you were to text him, he will text you back. The minute he's encamped with a team with the real information, that's the end of our relationship.

But it really is. Like I saw it in the lobby at our hotel outside the coffee shop. If you try to make eye contact when you start walking towards, all of a sudden it's like the Beatles, like four like pasty scouts or all these different people crowd around him. Everyone wants a piece at Jeremiah. Do you really want your GM saying that he doesn't know as much as an NFL network analyst? I would want my gym to say, actually, I do scout quarterbacks, and I do watch them, and I do have a take here. But I get what's happening.

You know, Telasco's just trying to get a little pop. I get it. That might be the first time he was mentioned on this podcast in about three years. It worked. DJ's having a good life. No, he's doing a nice job. He's one of those guys who's just good at living. It's good.

Yeah, got the kids kind of done early, and so he's going to be like an empty house at, like, early 40s. It's all having in San Diego. Great quality of life. Look, about face on DJ. But speaking of which, Mark, dining with DJ still hit him up at Move the Six. Hashtag, hashtag dining with DJ. I think now, as you see his trajectory,

why would you not want to be with him the night before the draft on that Proud Mary cruise ship where you have? I think they said it's like a three or four hour window. It's lobster, champagne, and it's like five people and DJ. This is when everyone wants to have dinner with DJ. This is your chance. And not for lightweight. So you have to tweet them and you have to,

use the hashtag and it's there are people currently going through there's one winner what potential winner's been picked already but a lot of a lot of the rest need to produce a little bit more content please all right there we go any uh anything else we are now no we're going to say no we're past final takes at this we are we are then on a plane back to culver for actually yeah let's talk about vic beesley is going to be returning to the falcons i think it's a great week for the jaguars they got marcel darius to take a pay cut and uh nick fles is on a platter for the them. Emmanuel Sanders can't believe he's going to be back.

Wow. Anything else on the Panthers? Absolutely zero. All right. This is Dan Hansis, signing off. Four, Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, and Ricky Hollywood sitting on the stool. You got, you're in a chair. Progress.

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