NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2019 Week 4 Recap

Episode Date: September 30, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling and Gregg Rosenthal recap each and every game of Week 4 including the Bills making a statement but coming up short (2:42), the Browns absolutely dominating the Ravens (19:19) and the Vikings offensive line crumbling against a strong Bears defense. (25;56). The heroes end the show by recapping the Sunday Night Football game between the Saints and the Cowboys. (1:20:49).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? And eat that meat, Mark Zessler. Come on back. We're wait. Hey, Dan. I mean, the money tags are becoming more bizarre by the week. Well, we do.

And also factually incorrect. Come on back. Some degree. Dan had some Korean barbecue this weekend. I mean, we love the meat. You were not included in that, but the rest of us make up for you. Not only did I have Korean Barbecue. I mean, what a family affair this podcast is.

Korean food in Korea Town, chosen by Greg. I said, Greg, tell us, tell us my wife and I, where to go, went to this place that he liked. We need somebody to watch a kids. Chris Wessling, Uncle Wes, and Aunt Lakeisha, watch the boys. Good boys. And now we're all together here in the studio. And Mark, you were around. Yeah, I didn't play any.

serviceable role. Mark, keep getting left out of these things. No, I mean, I feel like you would be happy to be left out of that, you know, child-rearing. Child care is something I'm already involved with. Exactly. Picking out meat restaurants is not something you would go to before. This is the week four Sunday recap show, our flagship show. So we're going to go through all of the games that were played on Sunday, one by one, as we do every week.

It's also streaming on video. So we have everything coming to you guys. Great content. And it was a week, Greg, where if you went to an NFL game and you wanted to root for your favorite team, there's a good chance you went home disappointed. Home teams 2 and 11 in week 4 entering Sunday night. At this time, we don't know what's going to happen in New Orleans.

But 2 and 11, the home teams went in week 4. That's outrageous. I'm taking a stand. That is outrageous. Although I do think home field advantage, it's a little overrated. You know, we make a big deal out of it. Well, this week it was. Yeah.

Well? I don't think it's overrated as a normal concept. Yeah, it's just sort of like an extra little thing. But, you know, you make a big deal about it. Come on, calm down in September. All right. Okay, that's an interesting. I thoroughly disagree, but I hear what you're saying.

So we're going to go through all these games, many of them, as I just said, will feature teams on the road that stepped up in a big way. And why don't we start in the game? Everybody was excited about Western New York, the Buffalo Bills 3-0, feeling themselves, welcome the New England Patriots to town. Would the bills make a huge statement, or would the Patriots do Patriot things? And a third and ten snap to bark and drop back. There's a pressure.

He's hit ball high in the air. It'll be intercepted. Jamie Collins down the left side. Forced out of bounds. But the interception was forced by Kyle Van Nuoy, who hit first. Markley, with the deflection to Collins, with 127 to go here on the 4th. Bob Sochi with the call. Do we have Scott Zolak on suspension on this show after his absurd, ridiculous,

Antonio Brown cheerleading in week one? Is that what we're doing, Ricky? All right, don't worry about it, Reggie. Good talking to you. Patriots Radio Network with the call. Yes, Jamie Collins comes down with a loose ball off the hit from Kyle Van Nuoy on the past attempt from Matt Barkley, 127 to Pete. play ceiling, a Patriot 16 to 10 win over the Bills in Orchard Park.

The Bills made this a game after a very slow start, but there would be no magic when Barclay replaced an injured Josh Allen. Greg, who bravely locked up the Patriots in this game. That's God-Bin' right. Didn't see a lot of offense on display in Buffalo? No, you asked, you know, going into this game, did the Bills make a statement or did the Patriots do Patriot things? I guess it's both, because the Bills made a statement.

They made Tom Brady look worse than he had. in a long time. This was his lowest passer rating since 2006 in a game. It's the most passes he's ever thrown in a game without getting to 200 yards. Didn't even get close. He had 150. He was under 50% completion. They had seven drives where they went three and out.

They had only a couple more where they got one first down. They did nothing offensively. And late in the game, they were inside the five yard line with a chance to go up two scores. and they smartly kicked a field goal. And I thought that was Bill Belichick saying, this Bill's defense is too good for us. We need to just go up six points. That's the kind of defense Buffalo played,

but they get a special team's touchdown. They knock out Josh Allen in the fourth quarter, and they do a lot of things defensively on their own to get the win. That stopped me in my tracks, the decision fourth and goal to not go for it because it feels like a Patriots thing that they would go for it and sense the moment. But you're right,

They had that much faith in their defense, which they should. New England's defense is incredible, and the bills just weren't moving the ball. Yeah, I mean, you locked up New England, but if someone had told me that you would have held Tom Brady to 3.8 yards per attempt. Sub-gabard zone. If you would have given up only 16 points to this offense, and if Frank Gore would have run for 109 yards at 6.4 yards per carry, I would have locked up the bills. I would have thought they're going to find a way to, they're not an explosive offense, but find a way to get 17 points in this.

I mean, the difference was the punt. return touchdown, the Patriots scored. The Patriots offense only scored 10. Bill's offense scored 10. And the Patriots defense was very lucky to hold the bills to only 10 because the bills did do a better job, especially in the second half moving up and down the field. But the situational defense that the Patriots have, especially in the red zone with Jamie Collins and Kyle Van Nuoy and everything that they can do was really special today. You're tipping your cap to a good Bill's defense and a well-coached team. But how much of this, does it raise any red flags for you on the Patriots offense. It's a long season. I said going into this game, I didn't

think their offense was nearly up to speed. Their offensive line got pushed around. I think this Bill's defense had a great plan for them. I mean, yeah, they have to be, they're going to be a different team in December one way or another, whether they're better or worse. They're going to be totally different. The fact that they were able to sneak out a win was nice. The P-scale was high, though. You know, you haven't asked me that in a while. And I just felt like they were not the better team in this game and so my piece scale was and i won't be asking you on thursday's preview show when they are preparing for the washington redskins either um i schedule for the pat so far feel free to lock that game up by the way greg oh yeah there's no rules i might lock it up because i'm o and four in the

locks we'll get to that on thursday uh john brown biggest individual play of the game um takes the pass from matt barkley um this late in the fourth quarter uh gets stopped at the one yard by Stefan Gilmore, who makes an incredible tackle, and that was the closest that the bills came. They came very close to tie in this game, and... Multiple times. Stephen Houshka misses a field goal, a very makeable field goal at the end of the first half, which, you know, obviously every point counts in a low-scoring game like this. The Patriots knocked out Josh Allen in what, you know, I think is a controversial call.

I don't think it was a dirt, I mean, a controversial hit. They called a penalty on the Patriots. it was a play where they were trying it was a desperate situation they're trying to stop him from getting a first down he was picking up about six yards and and I think who was it was J.C. Jackson just knocked him right in the helmet

like cold in his tracks they flagged him I didn't think it was anything dirty necessarily about it but it changes the game Barkley came in there had better decisions moved the ball actually a little better than Josh Allen did but there were multiple throws where he just didn't have the arm to complete the past game.

I thought it was interesting the bills tweeted out a video of Michael Hyde Buffalo Defender saying that if somebody hit Brady that way they would have been ejected. It's a controversial thing for a team to tweet out. There might be something to that because in that play Josh Allen has kind of has his head down and is running. I just

assumed he was getting that first down before he got knocked over and you're treating him like a running back and that's what happens. And this shouldn't be lost in the mix either with Alan because he does go out with a head injury and hopefully it's okay and not something that keeps him on the sidelines. Did not play a good game. Greg, maybe you could shine a little more light on it.

But just from what I saw, when you look at his numbers, three interceptions. They only scored, what, 10 points when he was on the field? And in general, we talked about this leading into the game. This was a big spotlight check on Allen, and he did not exactly step up to it. He can't shoot straight.

He hasn't in the first three weeks either. I mean, he started out the game totally abysmal, one for eight with two fumbles and two interceptions and 10 yards in the first quarter. He's not accurate. They came out after halftime. I think Brian Daibel, who's their former Patriots coordinator, did a smart thing starting in them in tempo. They did a hurry up.

They had a great touchdown drive. That was the only time they looked good all game. Don't know why they didn't go back to that. But three interceptions and a couple fumbles, one that got overturned my penalty. No, he hasn't looked that much better. I can't think of a quarterback in the league where I would love to know what team Brass truly think about him behind the scenes because there's a lot to like about Josh Allen. I think there's a lot to a lot to him that's positive, but the turnovers are you cannot

advance in the NFL with that kind of an issue. This is a veteran defense. It really hit me today how old, the key guys are, it's not a young defense. I mean, Devin McCordy's playing as well as he ever did. Jamie Collins is wearing the captain's green dot right now. That's where Jamie Collins is wearing out. Played every single snap. 79 snaps today. You're just trying to get Mark Dante Huttower's gone, and he was better than Dantzee Hattower could have been. You know what? It's a total testament to New England, because when he went to Cleveland and they paid him a ton of money, and they were not a good team, obviously, on any level.

But he was accused by fans and onlookers and tape watchers of being a guy that was taking plays off and series at a time off, and you got the worst version of him. He goes to New England, they totally flipped the switch on the dude. Well, if you remember the reason why the Patriots traded him in the first place was the reports that he was freelancing on defense, It was just doing whatever he wanted to do. But it's similar to Kyle Van Nuoy. I mean, who is he in Detroit?

Right now, he is the best player in the Patriots front seven. And he had a big game today. He's a defensive player of the year candidate if he keeps playing like this. By the way, before we move on, I want to point one thing out. We've been joking about it the last couple of weeks. The tired insight that the way to get to Tom Brady is to, you know, you get pushed that middle. Win the battle in the trenches, get pressure in his face. Well, there is a Patriots version of that as well that you hear every game.

Does anybody want to take a crack at it? Oh, because the bills did a good job of that. They moved him off his spot. They said that about 10 times. And they did a good job. The Patriots version of the tired cliche analysis, Bill Belchick, this is what he does. He takes away the one thing you do best.

That's true. Takes away that one thing. He's been hearing that since the 80s. Started with Marshall Falls. I don't even know what that means. Takes the thing that you do best and then now try to beat us. Let's move on. Unlike other coaches attempting that.

Thurman Thomas 35 years ago or whatever. Takes it away. Takes it away. We can go. Kelsey tucked in there. Off the right hip. Hand off Darrell Williams trying to dive. Dive.

Dive. Touchdown. Kansas City. Darrell Williams gets barely into the end zone with 20 seconds left in the game to put the Chiefs up 33.30. Mitch Holt the Chiefs Radio Network with a call. Yes. Dary Williams takes it in For one yard out

Patrick Mahomes converted a fourth down With a run of 15 yards To extend that game-winning drive And the Chiefs survive After a Hail Mary that closed it A 34-30 win Over the Detroit Lions at Ford Field In a game that

Listen, they don't hand out medals And they don't hand out lollipops To teams for losing But the Lions deserve credit here for really playing the Chiefs wire to wire, and they played really well in this game. They played well on offense. Matthew Stafford played again good football.

Carry on Johnson had 125 yards, and the Lions rang up about a buck 75 on the ground. Their defense, specifically, their secondary, avoided giving up big plays, which of course is what the Chiefs do, and the front four of the, of the Lions consistently got Mahomes uncomfortable and gave him, I wouldn't say happy feet, but caused him to just throw him a little bit out of sync.

Like when you watch this game again, especially in the first two quarters, I'd say, there will be three or four plays that the Chiefs hit with regularity that go for 50 yards or 80 yards or 75 yards. And he just, Mahomes just kept missing them. And it's a credit to the Lions for their effort, but it's also a reminder that in a game, where Patrick Mahomes does not throw out touchdown pass, which has only happened four times in his career. And he had 14 straight games that streak ended

where he had at least two touchdown passes. Well, he doesn't need to fill up the box score to lead this offense. They still put up 34 points. He still went over 300 yards. And when it mattered most, when they're down three points, he takes over at their 21-yard line and goes 79 yards on 13 plays for the clinching touchdown. So the chief showed me a little something, a little backbone in a game that could have easily gotten away from them.

And they would have survived if they would have lost and moved on. But they decided to find a way to close it out. And the Lions, they deserve some respect. They didn't win. And I still don't think the Lions are any powerhouse West in the NFC. But I absolutely think they showed us today that when they're having a good day, they can play with anybody. I started developing some feelings for the Lions last week against the Eagles. I'm not saying I'm falling in love with them, but there are some feelings there where this team is frisky.

They seemed to be well coached, whereas last year the whole narrative was that there might be almost a rebellion going on because nobody liked Matt Patricia. But they seemed to be well coached. They seem to play together well. And like I said Thursday, they have good starters. I just, if they have an injury or two on offense, I think they're cooked. It seems like it was a game of what ifs, though, because they had four possessions inside Kansas City's eight yard line and came away with 10 points. There were three Chiefs fumbles at one turn of the point of the game where Detroit came away with no points off of that.

But I couldn't agree more. And watching this out of the corner of my eye, the crowd was super into this. I've panned Lions fandom. I panned the home stadium. I panned everything to do with Detroit for a long time. I'm with you. This feels like a different operation.

And it's not that surprising if you're Matt Patricia, that there was a rebellion. If you're going to bring in a Belichick-like culture change, most teams are going to bounce. on that in year one, and they got rid of some of those guys that didn't fit. So the big, you mentioned issues in the red zone, the biggest turn in this game, it was a 14-point swing. So Walt Anderson is the lead official official of this crew in this game.

It's the same Walt Anderson crew that blew the whistle in week two on Rams Saints, costing the Saints a long-touch of that return. They're having a good year. I mean, Walt Anderson has been an NFL official almost longer than Erica, our producer has been alive. I mean like the lead official. He's definitely been an official for a lot longer than that. So, Walt, I'm sure, got called to the carpet after that game at the Superdome

where they prematurely blew that play dead. Who knows how that game turns out if that touchdown stands for the Saints? Well, this showed some growth or perhaps the ability to know that your job could be on the line if you don't straighten out because he does not blow the whistle

on a carry-on Johnson play near the goal line where he reaches out about six inches shy of the goal line. It gets knocked out of his hands. And Bashar Breland, to his credit, he just jumps in out of nowhere, scoops it up, starts jogging in the other direction, no whistles blown, no one is playing the ball, and he just jogs into the end zone.

It's ruled a touchdown on the field and then it stands on a review. So it goes from, it was 13-13, what could have been a 2013-line's lead was all of a sudden a 2013 chief's lead and again to Detroit's credit that was an absolutely crushing setback at that point.

Greg, I believe you heard me say this game's over at that point because you just assumed that the Detroit lines would crumble after that to their credit they kept on coming back in fact they took three leads in the second half but Mahomes and the chiefs

kept coming and they deserve credit for that. Was Stafford banged up in this? I thought I overheard that he I didn't see anything maybe there was something of a hip issue. I'm not sure I would have to do some more... He entered the game with a hip. Yeah, he was playing through it.

But he played great, and I think he's been very good for them this season on balance. It shows that the Chiefs are playing a different game than everyone else, though, when you're without Tyree Kill and the other defense does all these good things to you, and Mahomes doesn't throw a touchdown, and you still wind up with 438 yards. Oh, completely.

They're just like, that's like the baseline? Yeah, and I kind of did hit on it a little bit, But in that touchdown drive, the 13-play 79-yard drive that led to the game-winning score, the Detroit Lions have the Chiefs at fourth and eight. The Chiefs are in their own side of the field, and they have the play well-covered. When Mahomes drops back to pass, and Mahomes takes off for 15 yards, keeps the drive alive. Yeah, I think this shows that this is a bad Mahomes game. You know, we see bad Cousins games or bad Trubisky games or bad Flacco games.

In a bad Mahomes game, they score 34. points. He rushes for 54 yards and has an higher ESPN QBR than Matthew Stafford who threw for three touchdowns and played almost flawless. And at the end of the game, when with the game on the line and him set up to March for a potential game winning score, I had no internal doubts that he was going to get it done. And I know. In a bad M. Holmes game. I know it's early, but I'm sure I wasn't the only Patriots fan. And maybe Ryan Bartlett, our producer as a Chiefs fan was tracking the Patriots score. I was, you know, seeing this and thinking, we're down to the last. last two undefeated teams in the AFC.

These were the best two teams last year. They kind of looked like the best two teams so far. Like the race, every loss between these two teams, I think is important. And so I think, you know. Well, it's clinched now for the Patriots. Why is that? Because the Chiefs can only win 15. And the Patriots will win 60.

I don't think that's going to happen. So that's over. I'm just saying, each one of the, they're not going to be able to afford many losses. Yeah, that's true. It's big. All right, let's check in on the AFC North. Mayfield would jump behind a tall sweep.

Nearside. Here comes Chubba, the cutback. He's out to the 20, 25, 30, 35, 40. Here he goes to the 50. Here goes, Jim, he's going to go. 20, 15, 10, 5. Touchdown. Nick, Job.

He's got a hat trick. Wow, 88 yards by Chubb. Jim Donovan with the call, Brown's Radio Network. If you're sensing in Mark Sessler's voice, a little extra, you know, pep to it. And if you look at the way he's walking around NFL network. Pep. There's a little skip to his step. Confidence.

He's smiling. Happy. He's a happy man. There is a direct correlation, everybody. The Browns win, Mark's happy. So we need the Browns to keep winning, just like today. 88 yards, Nick Chubb. You told our entire British audience that we had not spent more than eight seconds together all day, but that's fine.

You sit next to each other. What are you talking about? There was a difference to Mark Sessler today, and it's because of those Browns. Yard touchdown run by Nick Chubb. An important and impressive, 40 to 25 win for the Browns over the division rival Ravens. Mark, out of nowhere, the Browns, 2 and 2. Share first place in the AFC North.

They're okay. They're okay. It's, it's, it's, it's better than okay. It's how they won today, how they performed from wire to wire on both sides of the ball, that has me, and I was thinking about this downstairs, This is the biggest Browns win in 10, 15 years. There was a year they were 10 and 6 that they didn't make the playoffs. Here's why I think that's the case.

Because we are two or three days removed from most people thinking that Freddie Kitchens is someone who's in totally over his head, that Baker-Mayfield talks more than he performs in year two as a quarterback, that the offense, which came in with so much hope, looked completely broken, and the words coming out of Cleveland from the coaching staff did not sound like we plan to adjust. We just plan to keep doing what we're doing. And there was legit concern about where this team was going and what the reaction would be, for me, three or four weeks from now, if they started one in five, or, you know, one in five,

you go into your buy, then you play the Patriots season over. This is your most natural rival outside of Pittsburgh, the Baltimore Ravens. They came from, your own belly if you're a Browns fan. They were pulled out of the Browns failure when they moved. It's a disaster, and they've been dominated by Baltimore for so long. And I thought this was the kind of Ravens team that might be the worst type of team for Cleveland to match up with. And Steve Wilkes has done an incredible job with Cleveland's defense. And I think all we talk about is Cleveland's offense over and over. It happened against the Rams. They had a great game plan with their two, with four defensive backs, starters outlast against the Rams.

Greedy Williams, and they had two cornerbacks out again today, and you cannot tell the way that they shut down Lamar Jackson, outside of some very frisky runs by the Ravens quarterback, they did a great job against Baltimore's offense. And that Nick Chubb run was something else that I have not seen them do this year. Really, you have to go back to last season, where they kept taking hope away from the opponent. And Nick Chub had not, you know, I thought they needed to center this attack more around them. They found a way to do it today. Baker Mayfield was not. not badgered from wire to wire the way he has been in the other three games. And you got this result. It is hopeful. They've got a short week before they play the Niners. But I thought that they looked like a different offense that against what I thought the coach was adjusted, made adjustments and got their act together. And it was, it couldn't have happened a game sooner. I'm not sure how this believing your own hype phenomenon works, but they must have just like, they just picked this week to stop believing their own hype according to the narrative. And it came on a day where Odell Beckham was not a factor at all.

Yeah, what are the odds that he gets 20 yards on seven targets in a 40 burger in Baltimore? Big time concern if you're a Ravens fan about the state of this defense. I think, you know, we said going into it, this is a Brown's offense that good defenses should handle right now. I think the Brown's offense that showed up today was probably, it was a lot about them. But still, this Ravens defense, when it's so early in the season that it's such a small sample size that you see them against the dolphins and the Cardinals, think you think one thing, but as we're getting more information, they just don't look like the Ravens defense were used to seem. Well, they've put all their resources into offense the last two years. And Lamar Mania, which was running wild in weeks one and two, things have cooled off

a little bit, it seems, in week three and four. What did you see from Jackson Mark? Well, they put the clamps on them early. And, you know, I thought that he was going to potentially fry them with Marquise Brown, and that connection did not work today. And to me, it is partially Baltimore, but I have to say Cleveland's defense is playing in a way that I just don't remember them playing. And they've been good in every game except that opener where they got tired out against the Titans. I think you can say Lamar Jackson's a special talent, and he has a bright future, and also

point out that the only two quality defenses he's faced in his career are the Chargers' defense that shut him down in the playoffs. the Browns defense, they shut him down today. Joe Schobert's been playing well. I mean, they're just deep, the Browns defense. They're good on every level. How about a little Steve Wilkes come up? Didn't expect that to happen.

Top 10 defense this year. And the Browns have another prime time game next week against the Niners. Would anybody be surprised if that defense steps up again? I mean, we'll save that conversation for Thursday. But it does feel like the possibility that they might have turned a corner with this game. I want to see Mayfield, you know, do it week after week. I mean, I want to see this game closer, too, but it sounds like he looked,

he was making decisions, was more comfortable than he's. Yeah, it just looked like last year's attack, where the first three weeks to me was something completely different and uninviting. First place. First place, Margie. I mean, first place in week four,

talk to me in week 14. But first time and first place since when? Since, actually, it was a night when they beat the Bengals on Thursday night football. Oh, yeah. Like five years? Ryan higher.

Wow. You got you, I believe, the podcast recap dialed Dan and I up at Lost and Found. That was a boozy evening, as I recall. Let's move on to the NFC North. One sack, one takeaway by the Bears' defense without Hicks. A boozy evening.

25-yard land under center, sidesteading to the pocket of the three-go. Ball is out inside the 15-yard line pile up. Bears have taken it away. First snap of the second half. Has Kirk Cousins gets sacked on first down. Huge play. Jeff Johnniak, Bears Radio Network with a call.

Khalil Mack makes big plays. And you heard another one there. Chase Daniel threw for 195 yards in a touchdown after Mitch Trevisky went down with a left shoulder injury on the opening possession. And the Bears' defense absolutely took it to Dalvin Cook and Kirk Cousins and a 16-6 victory over the Vikings. This was a home win, a win for the home team. The Bears absolutely took it to the Vikings.

Mark, your thoughts on it. Or West, this is your game, correct? It was. Yes. Your thoughts on the effort by the Bears' defense. Well, I know everybody wants to give their State of the Union on Kirk Cousins after every Vikings lost. But this is on your radar. This ain't it, man.

This is not. The quarterback has nothing to do with this game. It is a Bears defense, a front seven that absolutely dominated an awful. The Vikings offensive line. A Vikings offensive line that is terrible and has been terrible. They shut down Dalvin Cook. The Vikings' offense had two possessions in the first half. Nine plays in a punt where cousins just barely missed Adam Thielen on this long play right here.

I'll make the throw. You got to make that catch, too. Who knows whose fault that is? But on the next play, they go 12 plays. Next drive, they go 12 plays. Stefan Diggs fumbles. Those are only two possessions of the first. They look fine in the first.

Saff offensively. They look fine in the first half. They just didn't have the possession. That fumble I'm blaming on Kirk Cousin. It should be blamed on the quarterback, clear. They come out of half time. First play, Blindside Strip, Stripzak. Cleo Mek goes right around Riley Rife, the left tackle. And it was more of that the rest of the way. This is an underman Bears defense playing without Roquan Smith and Akeem Hicks, two very good starters. They plug in Nick Williams and Nick Kukowski. And against this Vikings offensive line, those two guys combined for 17 tackles and three sacks. tackle for loss, these guys were fired up, and the Bears just absolutely dominated. To me,

this is more about the Bears' defense than it is about the Vikings' offense, and if you're looking for a scapegoat, it's the Vikings' offensive line that is just not good. And they were the scapegoat through all of last season, too, and they thought they fixed those issues. If you're a Bears fan, because Chase Daniel comes in today, and, you know, he knows Matt Nagy's offense. He's been with Matt Nagy longer than Mitch Trubisky. How concerned are you about Mitch Trubisky being out for a while because I thought Chase Daniel came in, sight on scene, and played pretty good game. Well, I think history is instructive here.

And last year he came in, played the game manager role, nursed a lead. Eddie Jackson had a pick six to help them win a game on Thanksgiving against the Lions. And the next week, when nobody's paying attention to the game, he goes and gives it to a bad Giants team and they lose with his two interceptions. I just think we know who Chase Daniel is, and he did a great job today. His job is to play the game manager, let the defense win the game for you. and when things are going right, he's capable of doing that. But he's just as capable of giving the ball to the other team.

And you see that he processes faster than Mitch Trubisky, which you would expect from a veteran. His ball placement is better than Mitch Trubisky, who is an inaccurate passer. You'll see that the Bears will miss Mitch Trubisky's arm strength and athleticism when they play Chase Day. Well, to me, history is instructive. And that history started June 28, 2013,

when around the NFL editor Greg Rosenthal wrote up, Chase Daniel, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback, as Making the Leap, Canada, it's not too late. Wes, he comes in and directs four scoring drives out of the first five or six possessions. Let's go, let's ride. Is there an expiration date on? No, no, I think you're saying at some point,

and we don't even know what way in life. We could make the leap. It expired last year against the Giants. I was going to say, though, if the story's written about him making the leap with the Chiefs, you get credit for it. I don't know. My favorite part is the headline, Making the leap, comma, number 35.

Oh, my God. I did a top 40 countdown that year. Well, we all did, actually. Yeah, that's what I mean. I assigned it out. We all were part of that operation. This is nonsense. Wes, you're saying makes so much sense about Daniel.

He doesn't need to be a star. Just like Mitch Trubisky doesn't need to be a star. Kind of get out of the way a little bit. Just do what you have to do. Be a game manager. And this team could be playing in the first Sunday in February. I think this defense is every bit as good as last year. It's an unbelievable defense.

And that's two things I'm learning We're amazingly a quarter through the regular season now For the most part One, the Bears defense is just as good If not better than it was last year So look out And number two, I was big on the Vikings Heading into the season

I'm shook now because this game Especially when the other team loses their starting quarterback And then you don't even, you're not really competitive They are several steps below where Chicago The Vikings, you know There's a long way to go but they, to me, they've lost my trust in terms of, as soon as they're put into, and it's not just a Kirk Cousins thing, I don't love Kirk Cousins either.

I don't feel like he's going to suddenly go on some hot streak and win nine games in a row. Skepticism is understandable. It's fair. And, like, to me, Minnesota feels like your ceiling is about nine wins. And if you ever snuck into the playoffs, as soon as your environment becomes unfriendly on any level, bye-bye. This division's going to be tough, and this is a bad road loss. The takeaway, I think, though, is that, you know, ultimately these teams are built similarly.

The Vikings have so much money in their defense. We've been building it up for a long time. And it's a good defense, but it's nowhere near as good as the bears. And that's the difference. I agree with that. And don't let Mike Zimmer off the hook for this one either. He cost his team three points by calling a timeout when the bears were set up to punt on the Vikings' 34-yard line because their kicker has a bad plant leg and can't make a 51-yard field goal.

Zimmer calls a time out. And Neggie says, all right, you didn't get me time to think about it. We'll just pick up the first down. They go and get, they go pick up a first down and kick a shorter. I defer to your knowledge on this, West, and you watch this game closely. I don't know, you're going to let Cousins totally off the hook, though? The fact that he's, is he just a guy? Is that who is?

And then if he doesn't have the right setup around him, they're doomed? Because I think when they signed him, I think they thought he was more than that. I just don't want to litigate this after every single game. Like, are we going to do this after every state of the union, after every Cousins game? He's kind of a fascinating guy for people from that perspective. I get that. I'm begging people to watch. the game. Watch the game, and this is all Chicago's defense, and Minnesota's bad offensive

lines and penalties. And the Diggs play was a killer. Like, nobody's going to get on Diggs for that fumble. All I'd say, though, is you look at someone like Deshawn Watson who's been sacked at like near historic levels early in his career. And he's someone that, you know, it's not every week. He creates and comes up with stuff on his own under duress. And I just don't... He's a better player. Well, I mean, he had just as bad of a game as cousins today. It's just that you've paid Kirk Cousin. Spoiler alert, Wes. I get that he's free agent. It's not every week with the Sean Watson, but Kirk Cousin's been paid the kind of money

where he's going to get talked about week to week. Let's move on to the highest scoring game of week four. The 46-year-old. 2019. Now dropping under pressure. He fumbled the bubble. It's loose. It's picked up by the Buccaneers to the 30, to the 20, to the 50.

And Dama Khan, Sue, sue it again. And Dama congaon. Spoof and score Bucks and Willie Buccaneers are going to beat the Rams with a minute six to go. 54 big points on the West Coast, a new Buccaneer record. Gene Deckeroff. Fox Radio Network. Shack Mason, Strip, Jared Goff,

and Domican Su, snatched the loose ball, tuck it to the house. You heard it. The clinching score in a 55 to 40 win for the Buccaneers over the Rams at the Coliseum. Jared Koff finished with over 500 yards passing, but he had four turnovers in the Rams' first loss of the season. The Bucks, they got 385 yards and 4.

touchdowns from James Winston. Weston's going to have to eat so humble pie about that. Wait, then Marioo has just as good of a game? That's not what I'm saying. That's what you said on Thursday that it's been decided. That's relatively better than Marioita. You dismissed Winston's effort last week and said it had no indication on how we should look at this game.

He carried that performance into a second lights out performance. He has my attention. I also think it's important to be anchored by four years of data so you don't flow away one Sunday. I got your data right here. Anyway, Winston Winston had a big day. Career day for Chris Godwin, who has emerged as one of the best

second bananas in the NFL behind Mike Evans. And the Bucks head to London at 2 and 2. Is that right? No. We're going to see the Bucks and the Panthers in a couple weeks. That game's looking a little better. They got the Saints next week.

I mean, if that gaya just hit that kick, this Bucks team's 3 and 1. I'm so excited. about our trip to London. I'm getting ahead of myself. But yes, a really important win for the Bucks, who, as we know, had their hearts ripped out when the kicker blew the chip shot after Bruce Ariens, the coach moved them back five yards. They somehow lose a game to the Giants at home. And they go to L.A. and they absolutely light up the Rams. And do not let the numbers fool you. the Rams finished with well over 500 yards of total offense

but Todd Bowles' defense did a good job overall in this game a lot of that was just counting stats that the Rams piled up they made big plays and the bucks are two and two and got to be feeling pretty good right now very good in fact especially because Bruce Ariens was brought there to bring some the offense to life and now we've seen that for two straight things

Godwin's a 1A right now. I mean, his numbers are right there with anyone in the league. We've been honking about him on this show since the end of his rookie year, and there's not many slot guys like him in the league. That's as good a one-two punch as there is. What Arian said, this is going to be a 100-catch receiver, and if a day like today, 12... He's on page for about 125, 140 right now.

We said after week two, and Mark, you have the theory that Ariens maybe doesn't really want to be here. Well, this may have helped. But after that, those first two weeks where Winston was a mess in week one, week two, they get, they have another quiet game offensively, but the defense does a nice job. The last two weeks, they've had almost 1,000 yards of total yardage on offense. So there is absolutely potential here for this to be a very good offense. And who knows, they could be, this could be a frisky team potential. I don't want to get overly pumped up about the bus because what Wes is right about is Winston, does suck people in a lot and he will have moments like this or even game stretches

and then throw three interceptions in the first quarter in his next game. That could obviously happen, but you can only at this point look at where they are right now and the fact that Winston is with Bruce Ariens for the first time. And if you're a Bucks fan, look at that with hope that maybe he is turning the corner. Let's give Byron left with some credit. He's the one calling the plays. All right, let's do that. I mean, the Bucks to me have been a team that, you know, coming out of Hard Knocks a couple years ago, there was a lot of optimism.

Last year it was, oh, they added all these parts on defense. There's more optimism. They've never been the sum of their parts. And today, you're finding out, last couple weeks, they're living up to their potential and you feel completely differently about them. Well, even in this game, Winston threw a killer interception pick six late in the game

that let the Rams back in it. But then he responded with the touchdowns. And then, your boy, Mark Sessler, Shaq Barrett, got one of those two sacks that he needs to get to 10 for the year. You said it's not going to happen. sandwiches on the line. He's already, he had a game-winning poor sandwiches.

I said what I, because this is going to drift away, too, to talk about not anchored, is that these fast risers on like early season guys that have eight sacks and three games, that a lot of times they end up with like nine. Well, he just stacked up like the biggest play of the week on top of the last week. I would happily be wrong about him specifically. What I was discussing is true as a statistical anomaly in the NFL off happening. I don't think you're, this is going to be a fun game to watching game. but it might set a record for the longest.

The Rams had 81 plays. The Bucks had 73. The Rams only ran the ball 11 times. They dropped back 73 times. They did what I think a lot of teams should do. The second they fall down two or three scores, literally don't run. Throw the ball every single time

and stretch out that game for as long as you can. Because who knows, you might get into a situation where James Winston throws you a pick six and it's a one-score game in the fourth quarter. They stretch this thing out is the longest game. I've ever seen. Predict the game past length. Let's try this.

Forty-six. Forty-three. Forty-six. This, the winner gets sandwiches. How about that? Is it the iPad version or the desktop version? No, the longer version of the two. Okay.

42. I'm going 49. Yeah, I think Marks. No way. 49? They're going to find a way the editors to indulge themselves. Goff, 45 of 68, 517. What a weird plot line.

No one cares about except for us. It's my work week. It was not a good game for golf. Todd Gurley, we talked about on Thursday. Is this going to be his coming out party? He hasn't had a 100-yard game yet. And yes, they threw the ball constantly. But five carries for 16 yards, did score two touchdowns.

Yeah, I mean. Gough made some pretty throws, though. That's the thing. He said. He said it's a bad game, and it was with all the turnovers. Every week he has. He did throw for 500 yards. He put up 40 points.

Well, this is the first time the Rams have fallen out of first place since Sean McVeigh was high. And I don't know who this Rams team is. I thought they had an improved defense, and they give up 55 points to the bucks, and they still don't have a consistent running game. Well, here's the thing. We saw it on Thursday night. You know, improved defenses are nice. It doesn't matter in the – I mean, it does matter because you have to win different types of games. But they're going to get blown out.

You're going to give up yards and points some game. It's 2019. Even the Bears. I hate to say it. You're going to have to score some points or else that team's going to, you know, get hit and knock down at some point. I mean, good defenses. are not as good as great offenses. I want to give one final shout out before we move on.

Matt Gay, who got killed by me and a lot of other people after blowing the game last week, the place kicker. He drills a 58-yarder in this game. That had you riled up downstairs. Well, not only you drill it. I mean, he smacked it up against the net. It's a guy that stepped up in a big spot. And then after that terrible Winston Pick 6 gave the Rams life,

and it was 45 to 40, I believe. or in that range, he hits another field goal that essentially gives them the distance they need to win the game. So a nice bounce-back performance by a kick. Do you believe that you've motivated him during the week with your comments?

Do you want my honest answer? It does get to him. Yes. That's what I would imagine you'd say. Let's move on. I mean, you asked me a question. I'm going to answer. To the left, on third down and six.

A popular podcast. He's almost sack, but he keeps his balance. Now he throws to the right, and it is top at the 12-yard line. First down, Panthers. Incredible. Jerry is right from Kyle Allen who went off strip and played it just right.

Mick Mixing with that draw. Panthers Radio Network, nice and smooth. Kyle Allen evaded a shore sack by J.J. Watt. Delivered a huge completion. The most important play in the Panthers 1310 win over the Texans in Houston. Allen lost three fumbles in the game, but the Carolina defense stepped up huge and shutting down to Sean Watson,

Newk and the Texans offense. Wes, had the Panthers do this. Well, their defense has 14 sacks and four takeaways in two games since Cam Newton went down with a foot injury. They sacked Kyler Murray eight times a week ago, and they sack Deshaun Watson six times today, hit him 11 times, heard him 19 times. And we know that some of that is on the offensive line,

and some of that is on Deshaun Watson's playing style. And to Mark's point about Kirk Cousins, who it can be said that he holds a lot. the ball and then probably checks down too often. Deshawn Watson holds the ball to go for big plays. And today he missed a few of them. He had some open and he missed them. And he said after the game, look, that's on me.

I held the ball too long and I didn't hit the big plays. That's his playing style. He holds the ball too long, which contributes to his hits and sacks. I think this offense is fixable. They've been under, I believe, 13 points are under in two the last three weeks. Let's get some rapport between. Watson and his offensive line on that and his receivers. But you have to give the Panthers secondary a lot of credit too for,

Kenny Stills injured his hamstring in the first quarter and was their leading receiver midway through the fourth quarter. James Bradbury did a really good job on DeAndre Hopkins today. And the Panthers' defense was lights out. Hopkins 41 yards. There's not too many weeks where he's not, no matter how the team is faring, he always produces. And through an interception, a very costly interception on a trick play, and Bill O'Brien

killed himself for the play call after the game. Weren't we just discussing Bill O'Brien and his lead pastor individual inside the building as front office executives of the year? Well, and them as the favorites in the AFC South, which I still think they are, but it's a division, you know, spoiler alert. Everyone has the same record right now. I think they're the most talented, but they're not a team that's, you know, bulletproof, especially when they're playing Lazarus. I mean, Ron Rivera, we talked about it a couple weeks ago. He rises from the dead. Every time you think he's about to lose his job, what do they do?

They smack around the Cardinals on the road. Their defense shows up. That's kind of what Ron Rivera's been able to do over the years. At a certain point, you kind of just got to figure that's what he does. That's his move. He's going to use it. Well, I think we see their formula now. It might be similar to what the Bears have going on.

They probably trust Kyle Allen a little bit more than the Bears trust their quarterbacks because Kyle Allen's played pretty well outside of the three strip sacks today when she lost three fumbles. And that's my biggest concern with him is how he deals with pressure. But you can see that he's got the touch. He's got the accuracy. He makes pretty good decisions. And he's got an MVP candidate at running back.

Christian McCaffrey, 379 touches today, 179 yards. Be careful with that. He put the team on his back. He had also, if you haven't looked at the replay, go find this third down catch where it's bubbled through the air. And it's one of the more acrobatic athletic movements you'll see all season. And they're developing an identity. Brian Burns is playing with his hair on fire.

They have Don Terry Poe and Mario Addison. They're winning these games without Kwan Short. Shaq Thompson doesn't leave the field. Now he's replaced Thomas Davis. They got a lot of pieces. I understand you're in a tough spot with Cam Newton out and Alan who's shown things. But still, you really need McAfre to be your centerpiece. I'd be curious to check out where his touches are through four games.

I don't want to manage that a little bit. You don't want to be doing 37. He's so valuable they don't think they can take him off the field. And part of that has to do with the fact. they've never really had a great backup behind him. All right. Let's go to the AFC, a West South showdown. Brissette just stays in the gun on this first down and 10.

Again, intercepting, going to be a touchdown. Going to be a touchdown. Eric Harris, what a game at safety. Well, that's one of the finest plays I've seen Eric Harris making a mighty long time. Let's go to London, boys. Brad Musburger, of course, the icon and Lincoln Kennedy with inside there, KCBS. Eric Harris stepped in front of a

Derrickar pass, excuse me. Eric Harris stepped in front of a Jacoby-Berset pass and took it 30 yards to the house. The clinching touchdown in the Raiders' 31-24 win over the Colts. The Raiders got a huge play there by Harris because it did feel like a game that had the potential to slip away from Oakland.

The Raiders who had done really nothing on offense, In fact, they had two scoring drives in their previous 18 possessions entering this game. They get up 14-0 early. In fact, they score three touchdowns in their first four possessions, the Raiders, in this game. But then go cold again. So Derek Carr finished fast ends up throwing for less than 200 yards. And at the point when that final interception was made, it seemed like the Colts were going to find a way to win this game. But instead, the Raiders get it done.

And I just think John Gruden on balance so far, again, we're at the quarter pole. I know they said there's no such thing as a quarter pole. Well, guess what? I don't care what you say. Oh, the horse racing fans, all three of them get upset about it. At the quarter pole. Hey, how about you keep your horses alive a little better? Go take your racing for them and stick it up your bet.

At the quarter pole, the Raiders are two and two. And they are on an absolute marathon road trip. It's absurd the way this has been set up. And John Gruden, love them, or hate them. He has right to be annoyed the fact that they're going 42 days between home games in Oakland. How about don't botch your stadium situation and not be able to afford to keep your team in Oakland? So that you have to give up your game and go to London every year. Well, the guys in the locker room have nothing to do with that.

I get it. But they still, this is their second road game. Now they go to London where they're the quote unquote home team. Then they have a buy. Then two more road games. They don't play at home again until November 3rd against the, Lions, I believe. So any win you can get during this stretch, if you could survive this brutal slate where you're just traveling constantly and you could be in good shape, well, maybe when

you get back home, you could be a little frisky after Thanksgiving. And so far, again, Raiders, not a great team, probably not even a good team, but they are showing fight. And this was a really nice effort on the road against a Colts team that we all like a lot. Yeah, and credit, I mean, there's all those studies every time the Raiders have to train. travel east and play the early game, how they're like one in a billion when they have to do that. So credit to them. I will say, though, they caught the cults at the right time. You've got T.Y. Hilton out. Darius Leonard and a defensive player of the ER candidate out with a concussion. Malik Hooker at safety out. And they lost Marlon Mack for a big chunk of this game.

They're a deep team and they're well-built, but you get to a point where you can't compete. I agree with that. And you could see that. When you guys check this game out, you'll see it too. that Brissette really did look a little bit lost without T.Y. Hilton, who was so important in this offense. We saw that when he was on the field in the first three games. He is Brissette's go-to guy when it counts. And with him on the sideline, they barely moved the ball for the most of this game. They finished with 346 yards, which is not great, but not terrible.

But then just know that more than half of that yardage came in the fourth quarter when it was just a mad scramble to try to get back into the game. So Indy kind of had a loss. stay on offense, shorthanded a wide receiver. Funches, of course, is also out. And the Raiders showed up and balled out. And the Raiders' leading receivers,

Darren, again, seven for 53. Wes mentioned, you know, that Eric Ebron might be the next thousand-yard tight end. Or a thousand drop tight end. No, I don't think it was... I mean, not Eric Ebron. Evan Ingram. Thank you.

Different E.E. Waller's on pace and then some. Look, he's got 300-plus yards. He's writing quite a story. I mean, he might be a pro bowl. type of tie down. He is really fun to watch. He's come back from addiction.

He's a guy that John Gordon literally signed because he liked the way he looked on the sidelines. It's wild that he's a leading receiver on a two-and-two NFL team. Ultra-Rare Hard Knocks guy. It's so easy to fall in love with Hard Knocks players that are featured on the show. And like Greg said, his addiction backstory made him a compelling figure on the show. And then he would be killing it in these slow-motion NFL films practice highlights.

And then he steps into action is just as good. never see that in hard knocks it always plays you for a fool but not in this case can we talk about a generational cheap shot artist dirty player oh my god yes vante's perfect absolutely as cheap shot as a cheap shot can be uh goes for jack doyle who is in a very vulnerable uh position after making a catch goes helmet to helmet and good on on the officiating crew uh who take a look at the play and in addition to the 15 yard personal foul say Get out of here, Vante's Perfect. And at what point is the NFL just going to say,

get out of here, Vante's Perfect, period. I've got a couple stats for you. Okay, let's hear him. Last year, the league imposed more than $165,000 in fines against Berwick for illegal hits. That's just last year alone. This is from the Football Zebras Twitter account. There are six times in 100 years of NFL history when a player was suspended multiple games for an on-field infraction.

Two of those times are Vantes Burfect. And I would bet it's about to be three of those times. If you're going to London, you're going to see the game next week, which looks pretty good, all things considered, Raiders, Bears, three and one versus two and two. I don't think you're going to see Mitchell Trubisky. I don't think you're going to see Vantes. Perfect.

If I got even one of these fines, my bank account, our entire family structure would crumble. I can't get an 18th. You don't stop the run. Let's move on. Let's move on. He takes a shotgun snap. He's back to throw.

He's under pressure. He throws it over the middle. He threw it late, picked off by Peppers. Running down the right side to the 10th. Touchdown, Giants, Jabryl Peppers. Haskins was under pressure. The throw was late off the back foot. Peppers read it all the way.

And Jabrill Peppers with the pick six. Bob Papa with a call, WFAN, Jabriel Peppers. First year as a Giants scored on a 32-yard interception return, the knockout blow for the Giants. And an easy 24-to-3 win over the Moribund, Washington Redskins. Daniel Jones is now 2-0 as the starter. Wayne Galman ran for two scores and plays of Saquan Barclay.

Mark, Dwayne Haskins made his debut for the Redskins, but there's no stopping the suddenly resurgent. Honestly, I know they're not a complete team. Oh, gee! You have the absolute right to bring that chant back and do that as much as you want because they are fun to watch, and I know that the knock is their defense is utterly, inept. Not today. I realize you're playing a team in the Redskins that at this point,

I would put around Dolphins level in terms of unwatchability and in terms of their on-field capabilities, planless. Like, you know, they couldn't have made it more apparent that Dwayne Haskins was not ready for prime time with the coach's comments, you know, hammering that to us week after week. And you put them on the field today because Case Keenum is not functioning at all as your starter. Big surprise. Who saw that coming? and Haskins was absolutely victimized. And he is just, for what he does well, he's got a big arm. He's also just not, he is not seeing the field.

It doesn't look ready. At all. At all. So, you know, that was true from the coaching staff. And with Daniel Jones, you know, he, there were some issues in this game for him. He had a couple bad interceptions. But what I love was that Pat Schumer made a comment after that after he threw the two picks on the sideline, it wasn't like a rattled, you know, deer in headlights type thing.

totally composed, came back, made some big throws. When he's on the field, guys like Sterling Shepard, we've talked about Evan Ingram, come to life. Wayne Galman, as you mentioned, had a big game, and I thought that they, it's not that they didn't miss Sequan Barkley because he's a super special talent, but they ran for 164 yards at 4.4 yards per carry. With Jones in there, everything just functions a little bit differently.

Clean water, fresh stream, not a dirty pond like they were, with Eli Manning a quarterback. And the Redskins stink. Right. The Redskins stink, but they, They also won 24 to 3, and they didn't get, you know, the Redskins have had a couple quarters where they put points up on other teams. They didn't against New York today.

Right. We give the Bears credit for totally shutting down the Redskins. I think it's significant that they held the Redskins to 176 yards and three points. If you're not going to, if you're going to give the Patriots credit for like trouncing the weak sisters of the NFL, that's what competent defenses can do. Now, I don't think the Giants defense is suddenly going to be competent, but can they You know, teams change a lot during the course of this season. They're going to be totally different in December.

Can they improve from the 32nd best defense in the league to somewhere around 20th or 23rd, like the rest of the way? Is that possible that they can scheme that up and that will help them be competitive with a young quarterback? Like, I think that's possible. Just as possible this is an outlier and they'll be back to their normal ways. It's something to watch and they're two and two. Well, it helps when you're not, you know, with Eli in there, and it's not just on

Eli Manning entirely, but they were a three-and-out operation. that had it seemingly planned one offensive drive and then they dry up the attack the entire rest of the game. That's not true now. Danny Dimes gets Golden Tate back next week too. You know, I just clicked into a New York Post story about Landon Collins. I guess, yeah, his first game.

Oh, I forgot this was a revenge game. And that, you know, obviously didn't work out for him. But what I really want to bring up is on the sidebar of the New York Post, there's a trending now in sports section with three headlines. And I just want to read them off because they're all competitive. Okay. O'Dell Beckham is choked out in Brown's Ravens' fight. NFL villain added again with ghastly headshot.

I assume that's our friend, Rantes Perfect. And Bill's coach escorts Bill Belichick's son off field in sketchy scene. Wait, what? It's like a gossip. Yeah, that was the third one. This is the best, like, website for pro football at the post. McDermott got all fired up at not Steve Belichick, but another, Valichick and another Patriot staffer who was watching the bills warm up and they got into some

sort of argument. Oh, Sean McDermott was one of them. No, he was, he was it. It was all on video. This was a big story, you know, for the pregame shows. And then everyone realized like, okay, it was just kind of funny. He shooed them off the field. You don't want to mess with McDermott.

That's good. That's a state high school wrestling champ, isn't it? That is good. He was a wrestler. All right, let's move on. He told us that himself. New York Post. Yeah, you know how to get that clicks.

Bob Murray tries to step. Oh, yeah. It's intercepted Clownie. 2015, 10. Thub. Hello. Mr. Clowney, touchdown. Seahawks.

Jeddibian Clowney stretched out, reached his arm almost to the ceiling, pulled the ball down on a screen pass, and took it about 30 yards for six. Seattle goes on top now by a score of 9 to nothing. That's how you do a radio broadcast. Steve Rable. Dave Wyman on the call Seahawks Radio Network.

Jadavian Clowney, he looked like a tight end on his interception return, covering 27 yards for a TD. Seattle's first touchdown of the day in a 2710 win over the Morabund, Arizona Carlin. Michael Kendricks finished with two sacks. Chris Carson went over 100 yards for the Seahogs, who are 3 and 1 with a huge week-five matchup against the Rams looming. Greg, what did you take out of this game?

that the Seahawks are ready to win some games, like easily, that Russell Wilson doesn't need to do crazy things to be an MVP contender through a quarter of the season, 8.6 yards per attempt, doesn't have an interception this year, eight touchdowns for them, and that they can just kind of have a no-drama-free game. Like, you never see that out of the Seahawks. They were watching the Rams game in their locker room. and when Indomac and Sue ran that touchdown for back for the bucks,

they erupted. And I like that. It's like there's a little bit of a rivalry there. That's a Thursday night game this week. The 49ers are undefeated. This division is interesting, except for the Cardinals. It's fun, by the way, that. Who are not interesting.

It's fun on Seahawks Corner. Do you want to come back? I never put your stuff away. It's all, your room is just. No, I'm watching them. It's been fun. It's fun to watch them. You want back in.

I guess I kind of want back in. It's like when they're turning Will Disley into a thing, Will Disley has almost more catches this year than he had his entire college career. He ran like a 5-2-40. He came out of nowhere, and here he is as their leading receiver. What's not to like about this? Coming off a Toren Patelotilla tendon, right? That's right.

You've got to use Clowny on offense. Yeah, the Cardinals are the one NFC West team that doesn't excite you, and that's not what this was supposed to be. This wasn't supposed to be a Super Bowl campaign for the Cardinals, but the fact that they're not really moving the meter, That's not a good look. Well, they were the unknown, and what we're knowing about them is not particularly interesting. And not interesting is not what I expected.

I thought it would either be an epic disaster or something that Cornets shocked the league, and it's kind of just... Neither really. It's just this blah middle places. Well, they haven't won a game, and they got blown out twice at home in a row here, so that's a bad sign. David Johnson looked better today, 133 yards from scrimmage. I thought he had some of his old juice, which was nice to see. But not on the ground, though. What's going on with it?

He's had three games under 40 yards. They were trailing, you know, that Clowny injury happened. I mean, the Clowny touchdown happened. They really went out of their way to establish Chris Garson, who had a great game, 142 yards. And it was just a nice, this was a Cessler Fever Dream game, as we talked about downstairs. It was quick.

It was over and under three hours easily. It was a blowout. I mean, Cessler, you would love this thing. Like an execution shooting in the back of the head. Bang, it's over quickly. They're linebackers. I'm really impressed by the, Seahawks linebackers. They never leave the

field. They're the only team in the league, really, that's like that. Michael Carroll said this is the best linebacker Corey's head. I don't doubt it. Michael Kendrick's played awesome today. K.J. Wright has played great last week. And you're playing a team that plays four receivers every snap or many steps, and yet you don't take your linebackers off the field. Like, that is tough to pull off. But

you're right when you're talking about Kingsbury. You know what we haven't seen out of them is like a schematic advantage. Right. You know what I mean? He hasn't come in and provided like a scum- I think Kyler Murray looks quite good. I think he had a fine game today despite the final score.

It just seems like they're going to revolutionize the game with the pass-happy. Every team in the league that isn't completely out of it is pass-happy at historic levels. So how different are they than anyone else at this point? Where did Kyler Murray's height come in

for this game? 5-2, 5-1. I mean, this was the short guy bowl here. So shout out to short men everywhere. Stay strong. Stay proud. You know, we love you. Stay proud.

He can't look too big with Judevian Clowny streaking by him at like 6 foot 8 and 100 pounds. That was kind of a fluky, a tough play for him. But it's like the Cardinals have no ability to come back. Our friend Jason Zumwaltz ready to call it a season, I think. His counting numbers don't look that big, Kyler Murray, but he's dropping back as much as anyone and getting first downs less than anyone. It's a problem. Let's move on.

I formation, single receiver, Brown, wide lap. Playfay, Mario, Fires over the middle. There's Brown at the 40, at the 35, at the 30, at the 25, at the 25, at the 20, at the 15, at the 10, at the 5. Touchdown, Titans, A, J, Brown, 55 yards. It's fun. Mike Keith with the Call Titans Radio Network. Marcus Mariotto threw three touchdown passes in one. One half, that's got to be a record.

Two to A.J. Brown, including the one you just heard, and the Tennessee Titans snapped an ugly two-game losing streak with a 24 to 10 road win over the stumbling. The Moribund, Atlanta Falcons. Wes, this is all the script for the Titans. Just when you're ready to write them off, they deliver a complete performance to remind you of their potential. But what does it mean in the big picture?

They have the potential to go nine and seven and lose it in the first round of the playoffs. I'd be good luck figuring this team out. They, it was so unusual to see a wide receiver making plays for the Titans. And A.J. Brown was beating Desmond Trufant today. And you see right here making plays after the catch runs away. And it does remind me a little bit of a young Anquan bold in the way he plays. He is physical.

He's very physical. He's good after the catch. And you don't see guys like Corey Davis drafted fifth overall doing stuff like this. Now, Corey Davis did get a touchdown, but he's not making plays after the catch like that. But the receivers won the battle against the falcons secondary that hasn't been very good this year. And the Falcons have fallen behind 28 to nothing to the Vikings, 20 to 3 to the Colts, and 24 to 7 to the Titans by halftime. This team has been out of three of their four games, and it's pertinent that the head coach fired his top assistance last year, and the owner is paying out more cash for his players than any other owner in the year 2019.

team. I'm bummed out. I'm always the guy who's not going to say their seasons over or anything like that. But this result, seeing them go down like this today, got me thinking, I will be bummed out if the Falcons era under Demetrov doesn't get closer or doesn't ever win that Super Bowl. You know what I mean? Like, I kind of always... You don't get it both ways, Greg. What do you mean? Your team is responsible for the most destructive loss any team has ever suffered. and now you're going to cry.

I was all about the Falcons. Well, then you should have been rooting for the Falcons. I'm just saying like, I'm just like, you're playing both sides on this one. I was all about the Falcons the year after that. I just liked the whole vibe of the organization. And now I'm just surprised that there's as little fight right now to start this season. This seems like a team that needs a soft reboot. And it's too early.

It's both too early and too late because the season's already started. They're already in a deep hole now at one and three. not too deep, but it's not a great situation. But it's more the way that they're losing. And we all have to watch this game closer. But, I mean, it's the way they're just... Is it one of those types of games? There's nothing you're going to get from it,

other than the Falcons just aren't very good. Is that what this is? They're just not a very good team. Well, look, we can say... Are they a good team that's playing very poorly? I don't think they're very good. And we can say we like to Mitrov and we like Quinn. And we do.

But we don't like the product they've put on the field since the Super Bowl, since Kyle Shanahan left. The next year I did. The next year I did. With Sarkisians lost offense that year? I mean, ever since Kyle Shanahan's left, what is this team's identity? Well, and Quinn has talked about, you know, his defense like Seattle is going to be urgent, fast, disruptive. And Marriota looked terrible in the Jaguars game, which feels like two years ago,

because Jacksonville piled up nine sacks in that game and made life about as impossible as you could on the quarterback. None for the Falcons today. Marietta was kept clean. On the subject of the Falcons, they did, to their credit, as an organization and to the players and Dan Quinn, they did recover from that absolutely staggeringly terrible Super Bowl loss. They were a Matt Ryan pass away from beating the Eagles in Philadelphia. We were at the Coliseum in L.A. when they beat a very good Rams team in the wild card round.

They were, but really since the moment Julio Jones slipped in the end zone in Philadelphia in that division round playoff, it has just been kind of a sad slog for the Falcons. And I know they put up a lot of good numbers last year offensively, This doesn't feel like this team has juice right now. No, and it's, sorry, they remind me of the Panthers, who it's just a reminder of how impossible it is to get back to the Super Bowl. And you can still be competent, but it's not nearly good enough. I think you can watch teams like the Broncos, Bengals, Vikings, and Falcons,

and get frustrated with all four of them for the same reason. The offensive line is blowing things up. Quinn's got to make a new t-shirt. You know, he did this brotherhood one where they're all holding each other this last week. Didn't work. Didn't work. Who are the Titans have next week? A lot of T-shirts.

I cannot wait to see. I think some of the Angry Falcons fans call him coach T-shirt now. Oh, let's see. The Titans have the Bills. Oh, that's pretty good. At home. Josh Allen, we'll see if he's playing. I mean, if your thing is you're looking for a back down turn,

Bill's defense doesn't feel great for the- Matt Barclay in Nashville? They could put two or three good games together. What they need to do is show that they can sustain, you know what I'm talking about. They're going to reel me back in for a game. Right. They just need to stay in that range where they can get to nine.

That's the goal. That cannot be the goal. The goal was supposed to be better than nine, but this seems to be their face. Oh, credit to their secondary today, too, which really controlled the game and held Julio Jones down for a while. Titans' defense looked good today. You know what I mean, though, Greg, right? I don't mean to be overly passionate about it.

But when you talk about how you really feel bad for the Falcons, you know, as a Patriots fan, you did this to him. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. You played your part. Remember the photo in the box? I mean, all the things. The evil grin you had?

We'll have to resurface that. It wasn't. Well, I don't even remember what that. Which Patriots winning Super Bowl that was. Oh, that might have been the Seattle. I think it was satisfied. It was satisfied. All right, not evil.

Satisfied grin. All right, let's keep moving. A 33-yard from just inside the left hash for Lambeau. Here we go. Cook gets it down. Lambo kicks it up. And the field goal is. Good.

Lambeau. The field goal is good, and Jacksonville have beaten the Denver Broncos. 26 to 24 at Mile High Stadium. This one belongs to do all. All right. Mike Frangy, I like it. Jontie. By the way, update, breaking news.

Mark saw the movie Sirens with J-Lo. Hustlers. Sirens with El McPherson. Theirons is a, yeah, it's a totally different film. Well, I want everyone to know that the scale's been balanced out. because I just thought of it because Joshua Lambo Mark told us today that he saw Rambo in the theaters.

Everything's even. Rambo colon, last blood. And I'm not going to suggest. By the way, last blood is the stupidest name of a movie ever. I know there was first blood. Last blood? It's thematic. If you're looking for stupid, it was,

but I kind of enjoyed the film to be honest. First blood, you know. Last blood. You enjoyed it? I did because I went in thinking this is just going to be 90 minutes of total, you know, revenge. It's like Last Blood and Time.

they cut off, you know, Stallone's Social Security. Then we'll go like Laster Blood. I don't think he's coming back from this one based on what I saw. Josh Lambo, not John Rambo, went four for four on the day, including that game winner his time expired, lifting the Jags to a 2624 win over the still winless, the Morabund Denver Broncos. Gardner Minshu heated up in the fourth quarter after a slow start.

Leonard Fournett had a career day with 225 yards on the ground on 29 carries, Mark Jalen Ramsey, heroically. He was able to summon the energy to come out of his home and be on the sidelines with this game for this game. Well, he got a good show. We got an up-close view and another exciting Jaguars win. He did. I've mentioned before that his focus is a laser focus

and he was zoned in on this game watching it from the sideline. Was he in a hospital bed on the sideline or was he able to stand up right? Where is he back at physically? Seemed nimble bouncing around a little bit. I was under the impression. He did welcome his second. child, it's not like they made that up.

He had a daughter. Why isn't he playing, man? This game, and it makes it look the score, 26, 24, a little closer than it was, because you'd be hard pressed to find a contest where one team was as thoroughly dominated

for a 20-minute stretch as Denver was in this contest. They flacko through two early touchdowns that made you think this is the perfect way for Denver to get out of their O and 3 hole. And Nick Chub, Von Miller came to life. They sat Gardner-Minchu five times today. But before the half, Flacco threw an unforgivable pick that allowed the Jaguars to go down, kick a field

goal. And I believe that made it 17 to 6 at the half. And then from there, Jacksonville came out of the locker room and absolutely dominated with a 16-play touchdown drive. At one point in heading into the fourth quarter, they had held the ball for like 13 and a half minutes. Denver was offense was just taken out of the game. They weren't even allowed to come onto the field, basically. And it was Leonard Fournett, the laughing stock of Thursday night football two Thursdays ago, who dominated Denver's tired out defense. I think Denver's defense just got winded and exhausted by the end of this game. And this allowed the running game, Jacksonville's ground game, to absolutely explode late, which helped Minshu a lot. But Minchu also, despite getting

hassled and he was on the run a bunch, showed some great movement. in the pocket in this game. There's one play where he unfurled completion, but he had to change direction in the pocket and climbing out of it like five or six times. And I am so impressed with him. He really did. I'm so impressed with him because, yes,

I know he has a nice mustache in all this business and they're milking that for all its worth, and that's fine. But he is a player that gives me hope that in the AFC South, which is a weird division, I'm not counting them out. The reverse.

We're time for first. They're tied for first when their defense did what it did against Tennessee, where they're dropping nine sacks. They didn't happen. That didn't happen today. But they stepped up around their quarterback and produced in a tough place to play. I don't care if the Broncos are 0 and 4 or not. That's a tough stadium to go into.

And they came and delivered. It was go watch that third quarter, total domination. He's been streaky. But when he's gotten hot, he's saved their season, basically. Because they could have been dead in the water after their starting quarterback goes out in week one. And instead, he's a guy that, well, not a perfect quarterback. and usually six-round picks are not perfect. He seems to have a little bit of just, you know, the impactor.

He's not making mistakes, and I think they're doing a good job calling plays for him, John D. Filippo. He does not go down the field very often, but he doesn't put them in bad situations. And when they do go down the field, it's very effective. And time of possession, in general, is overrated. But when you get, when you have 40 minutes time of possession, and it's almost all that advantage is in the second half, something happens to your defense.

And they went up and down the field. That's the thing. It's the defense, this was going to be, you know, the defense, their game that you've waited for from Vic Fangio. And instead, what you remember is that they absolutely got gashed down the stretch. Every time I looked up in this game, DJ Chark was having a big play taken away by penalty. It's been every week.

He looks phenomenal. But he is, his connection with Minshu has been consistent. And forget D.D. Westbrook and the rest of him, he's the dude. Is Minchu, and I don't want to undersell his future, He's obviously just starting out in the league. Is he potentially the next generation, Ryan Fitzpatrick, like a fun... Well, I think he's better than imperfect. Well, I'm just saying Fitzpatrick is, you know, 13 years later to wherever it's been,

has had a lot of great moments in his career, not a champion or anything. But, I mean, even if that is his ceiling, I think the Jaguars would sign up for that, considering what they were entering the season with. Well, let's put it this way. He's just created a 10-year career for himself one way or the other. Right. sell his upside because if a first round pick came in and played the four games

that he did, we'd be writing sea poems about him to use Mark Sessler's phraseology. The bill signed Fitzpatrick to that like six years, $60 million contract at one point and he only lasted a couple years. But nobody really ever saw him as the franchise guy. There's a chance

that Minshue could develop into... Well, there is a little T-boe about him, especially seeing them win on a game that it didn't look like they were going to win on a field goal in Denver. Not the, you know, the main around them or whatever, but just that they're finding ways to win these crazy sort of games. And it's like the close, I don't know. I would say that the mania with the looks and all this other business around it is actually,

it does him a disservice because you think that that's why everyone is hyper-focused on him. That's why a bunch of people are. But if you took all that away and just looked at the way he plays, and if he were, to your point, at the draft pedigree had been there, people would be going absolutely nuts about who he is on the field. If Nick Foles was playing like Gardner Minshu, people would be like, All right, the Jags are in great shape. They've got their quarterback.

And, Mark, you saw the game, so you have a better idea of it. You said that Broncos' defense looked gassed at the end of the game. So I can't kill them having not watched the game. But I will just point out, Joe Flacco for all his ups and downs this year, takes them down the field late in the fourth quarter, six-place 75 yards, eight-yard touchdown pass. It's 24-23 with 90s. two seconds to go, and just like the Steelers last week, when you thought that their defense would

be able to close out a game that they desperately needed, you would think that the Broncos defense would summon that to be able to get out of here with a win, but I just didn't have it in them. I would imagine Broncos fans are very upset about a roughing the passer call on Von Miller that sprung Jacksonville for that game-winning drive, but it was a fair call, I think, and then on top of it, they gave up a huge chunk run. you made Keith Rose, and that was the whole second half. Outside of Miami, that might be the most depressing season ticket to own right now. You've seen two games in both of them.

You've lost at the buzzer on a field goal. And both of them, your quarterback, who hasn't been that great overall, has the go-ahead touchdown pass with a minute remaining. You still lose. You can't kill Flacco, and it becomes lazy to do it week after week, but there is something also about him where just, I don't know, there's a sense of... He's not inspirational.

Just a guy at this point, right? Isn't that kind of what it is? He's just kind of a guy now, right? Yeah. Ocean Man is Ackler, and Rivers, climbs the pocket. Binds Eccler left sideline, one man to beat. Five, into the touchdown. Chargers, into the end zone for Austin Echler.

It was a hesitation by the official. He strums the guitar, and the Chargers put six on the board. By the way, that receiving touchdown means that he has now posted at least three in each of his pro seasons. That is the first time an undrafted running back has done it in the common draft era since 19. See, by the way, you don't, I always thought this. You don't need move the sticks in that booth. Daniel Jeremiah is the color guy. Well, guess what?

Matt Money does it both. He'll give you the highlight and then he'll give you the insight and the data. So what, it's totally redundant to have move the sticks paid by the charges. Some would move the sticks hearing this might argue that what, you know, don't, don't step on his part of the role here. But fair enough. I don't like what you're doing there. You're trying to create dissension. I think Matt Money-Smith, the voice of the Around the NFL podcast,

what's going on in that boot? Philip Rivers threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns. That was like his moment. He was like, that's what I can do. He's like, I'm getting on the ATN podcast. Forget you, Sticks. He's been Scully. I'm on a successful podcast.

Has one of the sticks ever, his voice ever been included in any of these chargers highlights that we've done? Very briefly, and I've instructed Erica to avoid. it when possible. Philip Rivers threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns, including that 18-yard hookup with Austin Echler. Chargers Cruz, 30-10 win over. Now, I'm not going to say it because they don't even deserve that.

The miserable Miami Dolphins. Greg, the Chargers had rough losses in each of the past two weeks. Luckily, the schedule gods gifted them Sunday with potentially the worst NFL team of all time. Yeah, and the Dolphins showed in this game for the second straight week that they can be competitive for a half and they could have easily had the lead after one half of this game

just like against Dallas but they didn't and then it's like the other team gets down to business the Miami Dolphins have had 21 drives in the second half of games this year on those 21 drives

they have failed to score a point oh no I mean this is the NFL we're talking about Oofa it's outrageous I don't know what more of is to say, Melvin Ingram got hurt in this game. That's a concern. Melvin Gordon did not play in this game, so he was active, but they did not need to use him. And Philip Rivers did what he does, which is an underrated part of his skill set.

He improvises really well. You don't think of him as kind of an improv guy, but that Austin Eckler touchdown, for instance, was him moving up, looking to his fourth reading. He just kind of makes something out of nothing on a lot of these plays, and that's all he needed to do. The Dolphins point differential of minus 137 is the worst through four games of season since at least 1940. The previous worst, 1954 Redskins, minus 122. So the dolphins have blown them out of the water. I mean, they are going to set some records, not the ones that they were, they're going to be tweeting out for the next 200 years. And again, Rose, like Rosen started out the game

well, six for six, 102 yards and a touchdown. They didn't punt or turn the ball over in the first half. I mean, their offense played pretty well in the first half. And still, when you look at

this Dolphine team, I think maybe the most frustrating thing is all the guys that in theory you would want to be core guys are playing terrible.

I mean, Charles Harris, their defensive end, is doing nothing. Kailin Blage is doing nothing. Jerome Baker and the CFL linebacker that they were all

excited about going into the season, they're not playing well. Like the young guys who you would want to be building around are some of the most

disappointing players. And so that's like an extra layer of pain for this team. That's now 120 regular season wins for Phil Rivers. The first he ever had in Miami, his quote, it has been a long time. Myself, I haven't played worth a hoot there the last two times.

Rough days for us. It was good to win. Is a hoop bad? It's like worth an S. It's great. This game was a hoot. Yeah, I don't know. Just rolling up on him. I mean, he was about perfect today. Sunday night football. Two seconds left on the clock.

This will be the last play of the game. Jack Prescott in the gun, three receivers to the far side. Takes the snap. Saints bring five. Prescott throws this one. It's not even going to get to the end zone. It has intercepted Marcus Williams. And the New Orleans Saints take this one from the Dallas Cowboys 12 to 10 on a phenomenal defensive performance.

Oh, yes, Marcus Williams, there is life after the Minneapolis. Miracle. Zach Streif, Saints Radio Network with the call. An excellent defensive effort by New Orleans who get that final stop on the Dak Prescott, Hail Mary. Closing it out, a 12 to 10 win

over the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday night football. A game in which Teddy Bridgewater, again, stepping in for Drew Brees. The Saints didn't light it up on offense. But, Wes, when they needed the defense to step up, they sure did. Cowboys offense really had no answers tonight. We were questioning a few weeks ago

if they should be going with Taysam Hill instead of Teddy Bridgewater. And Teddy hasn't played great, but this team is now 2-0 without Breeze, and the two teams they've beaten haven't lost to anyone else. I think Saints fans would have been happy splitting these last two games if you told them that a few weeks ago,

and now they're sitting pretty. And you can't say enough about their defense, their leadership, their coaches, to win against, on the road at Seattle and then to beat a Dallas team that look gangbusters through three weeks. It's a come to come down to Earth game for the Kellan Moore in this Cowboys offense. I mean, any thought that, okay, hey, we haven't really, we played three of the worst defenses

in the league, and now they come out, they put up 10 points, they put up 250 yards. This was very similar to the Cowboys Saints game last year, which was 13 to 10. This is 12 to 10. Both games had under 500 yards of total offense. Neither of these teams move the ball, but the Saints are loving it because I think the Saints And what we saw today with the Bucks game, and we saw it in Packers' Eagles, and we've seen you have to be able to win different sorts of games, I think. There's no, you're not going to win just with defense or just with offense.

You've got to be able to adapt. And the Saints have shown that they can win with Camara and a little bit of magic, a little bit of situational football. I thought that against Seattle in Seattle last week, the Saints controlled the line of scrimmage with their defense early, and they made life very tough. for Seattle's ground game. And then in this, it translates again,

1.9 yards per carry for Ezekiela, who never really got unhooked. And the Saints teams of olds that we covered for years, if you said New Orleans is going to score 12 points with Teddy Bridgewater, no way to they win those games. They're a much more balanced team. They're well-built. And any victory with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback

is a coup d'atatat at this point. To go 2-0 on this journey so far, they're going to run away with this division if they keep this up. Like we said, Teddy was up and down in this game, and his worst moment came in his final possession, his last snap. They are in field goal range up two points, and he gets overwhelmed by a strong Dallas pass rush,

loses about 14 yards on a sack. Instead of having Will Lutz, who's almost automatic, attempting to put you up five, you have to punt it away, and the Cowboys take over fairly deep in their own end. However, in addition to the failure to get into field goal range, as you heard the interception there that sealed the game. Tyrone Smith, the star left tackle for the Cowboys,

Jerry Jones said after the game has a high ankle sprain. And we talked about high ankle sprains, a terrible injury because you never know how much time it could cost you, but they tend to linger. It's the same type of injury that Saquan Barclay has. Well, now the blindside protector of the Vaunted Dallas offensive line could be on the shelf for some time. We'll have to see how that plays out.

That is a massive lot. was a terrible moment for the Cowboys. And they play against Adairius Smith and Preston Smith in that Green Bay Packers defense next week. I mean, that's why we like the NFL. It flips pretty quickly that the Cowboys suddenly, okay, they've got some issues to work out. The Saints are feeling good.

I liked what Daniel Jeremiah. I know, you know, you've taken some shots at him, Dan. Well, with good reason. On this episode. With good reason. I liked what he tweeted earlier today, which was essentially, don't put much stock into the previous month, what's happened.

The preseason's sort of over that most of these teams and the players have knocked the rust off. You've kind of put out the tape, the tape into the ether like Kellynne Moore, that now other teams have a feel of, okay, what's this team doing this year? And moving forward, this is where we start learning about teams. I think there's a lot to do that. You don't like to think that the last month was meaningless. But there's some of that, the teams are going to be so different. And that's why, especially for the Saints team that doesn't have breeze,

it doesn't matter how you're winning these games. Just stacking up wins is massive. Be as ugly as you need to be. Get the win. And just the fact that that division is crumbling around them to some degree, too. They have the bucks next week. Teddy said to Michelle Tafoya after the game, no one said it had to be pretty.

It was not, but the Saints are feeling good right now. And as we hit the quarter poll of the season, and we're going to talk more about it this week on the Around the NFL podcast, which is the show we're doing right now. I don't know. I'm saying it like I'm talking about a different show. This is the Around the podcast. Or as if you're telling us that, we're quite aware.

The NFL is so wide open after this preseason part two. Once you get past the only two undefeated teams, well, there's three, including the Niners, but the Patriots and Chiefs is really hard to figure out who's the true power players, but a Saints performance like this with Drew Brees getting closer, you feel confident having them, obviously, in that conversation. And the Cowboys as well, win or lose today.

You feel good that these are two of the best teams in the league. Absolutely. I think when you look at the league as a whole, is there even a third good team in the AFC? That's a question I would have. Well, I also want to see the Cowboys perform against other competent defenses and see more...

We know how strong the roster is. We know this is a playoff caliber team. I don't think one loss at New Orleans changes. No, but I want to see their offense against more quality defense just to see what they do. And I wouldn't worry about records at this point at all because I'd take a Philadelphia Eagles team

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