NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2019 Week 7 Recap

Episode Date: October 21, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap each of the games this week including the Saints 5th win with Teddy Bridgewater (2:220), a huge division show down between the Colts and Texans (15:35) and the Chargers losing in the most Chargers way possible (50:32). As always, the heroes recap the Sunday Night Football game where the Cowboys displayed their dominance (1:14:37).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Oh, yeah. The flagship show. Bud light, I said.

You know that Erica is back when the Matt Money Smith opener line, all the aspects of the show where there's some sort of pick-and-chews dynamic to it, become Erica-centric. Yeah. Hey. Am I wrong? No, I didn't set it up. Erica's here physically.

She's sitting behind the glass. But after a European jaunt, I wouldn't say she's all the way checked in. Fair to say, Erica, at this point? No, I do my job really well. And I show up and when I clock in, I'm here, Dan. So, ready to go. Punch that clock.

How's that tea? We do not need any more sound effects of you drinking from that cup again on this show. Get it done now. misophonia is a real thing I think Mark has it Yeah I have it And you exacerbate it At every turn

Hang on My apathy is helping me Mark Sessor has a lot Apathy Doesn't have a lot of apathy Is that not gross to anyone else It's not gross to me All right

I enjoy your bitter beer face there All right Well week seven What a day It's been Ryan Tannenhill's back in our life, and he's a winner against all odds. We're going to get to that. We have the undefeated, an undefeated team stays undefeated. Some winless teams stay winless.

So so much to get to, and we'll cap it off with Sunday night football and a huge, huge moment for Chris Wessling, who is looking to get off the Loch Snide in a big spot and primetime. So a lot to get to. Do you guys want to start digging into the show? Please. Let's do it, and let's start with a team that's as hot as any team in football going on the road to Soldier Field. Saints football, baby. Bridgewater under center, quick throw out to the side.

Taysom Hill across the goal line. Touchdown. Tysom Hill. It's a little variation of your bully ball there. Swing it out to Tassam Hill. He puts his head down, and good luck. Stopping that load with a head of steam. You have to know where number seven is in the red zone.

I don't like this. How about that? Zach Streif and Deuce McAllister with the call. Get rid of that generic slop. Bring it Sam Spence. NFL Films. It's in our library, baby. You can't take it away.

But you can try. I'm out the door if you do. Save that voice. You're running out. Teddy Bridgewater threw for 281. Two touchdowns, including Mark to your boy, Taysam Hill. And the Saints approved a 5-0 without Drew Brees, 3625 win over the Bears. Don't pay that final score here, any mind.

The final score is a disgrace because this game was as one-sided as it gets, huh, Mark? Oh, yes, it was. You're absolutely right. This is one where, for different reasons than sometimes, the box score translates into an ultra-lie. because before, you know, garbage time said it. Disgrace. It's a total disgrace. We can turn negative on the Bears in a minute.

I will say I think this game was a decisive turning point in the Matt Nagy-Mitch-Trabisky experience. And it had a lot to do with a better coach and a better coach team coming into Chicago and completely ignoring whatever aspect you wanted to hand to the Bears before this. Was it their defense? No, it won't be the Bears' defense. because the Saints offensive line, one of the best in football,

is going to come in and handle Khalil Mack and everyone else and pound them for 400 plus yards, 150 plus on the ground, and without Drew Breeze in the lineup, without Alvin Kamara, it doesn't matter. Teddy Bridgewater, you know what? Yeah, you're halfway through this game and he's missed a bunch of throws and he's giving you what you're expecting from Teddy Bridgewater, but he doesn't turn the ball over. He manages this team.

Latavius Murray on the ground did just enough. and in every single aspect you could ask, the Saints dominated. They had nearly the ball for nearly 40 minutes. And the defense is an absolutely phenomenal defense. I will say this, Chicago, when you're going to go out there and with minutes to go before this thing turned into garbage time nonsense, had nine drives of less than 10 yards, fewer than 10 yards. And it is fair to look at the Mitchell-Tribisky experience,

along with everything around him. It's not just him alone, but he's not surrounded with a lot of people to help him out. They had about 17 yards rushing in this disaster of a game. Mitch Trubisky is missing throws and doing all the things that are tied to the negative aspects of his career. This was a huge game. They are now three and three. I think if you're a Bears fan, you go to bed tonight with a lot of deep, seated concerns about your team and where they're going. It's a terrible look for the Bears.

I mean, because like you just said, no Drew Breeze. But we already know that the Saints can win without Drew Breeze. We've been seeing it for a month plus. No, Alvin Kamara. Now, that's at the point where you think... No Jared Cook either. No Jared Cook, even though he's been a little up and down. Last week, he made big plays.

I mean, this was a game where you should have seen a compromised Saints team struggle in all phases. But instead, Latavius Murray gave you more than just enough. He goes for 119 yards and two scores. Alvin Kamara couldn't be able to do much better, I'm sure. And so the Saints are in greatest shape as you can get. And we heard during the telecast, Troy Aikman, spoke on the field with Drew Brees who didn't rule out the possibility

that he'd be back before the buy. Sounds like that's the plan. Which is just more good news for the Saints. And yeah, and back to the Bears. Trubisky, who I think there's two ways to look at it. You could say, all right, he just got back from the injury. Let's be a little bit more patient.

But then there's also the side of it where it's just like the confidence looks like it might be shot and maybe the garbage time helped here. But the confidence is a shot, And in general, the bears, they just don't look like a team that feels itself at all right now. No, last year I argued that give the guy time to develop. You know, it's a new system.

He's only in his first year starting. Let him develop. And he's gone backwards. It's sort of like Marcus Mariotta except accelerated. He's regressed in his second year. And I think at this point, the bears have to start looking around for other options. They were down in the early yard. As in this season?

If you can. I mean, I don't know what's out there. We've mentioned Nick Fools. Marcus Mario dao is out there, and the offensive coordinator in Chicago is a former coach of the Oregon Ducks. How about that for putting it together? Well done, Greg.

Here's the thing, though. The entire Bears team has regressed. And Chubisky is number one among them, but the offensive line's been terrible all year. No running game. They don't have a running game. And the defense is not as good. I know they had a couple splashy games,

but when you're giving up long drives to Joe Flasky, and you're giving up a couple really long drives to Derek Carr and the Raiders. I mean, they've been a very good defense, a top five defense entering today. But top five isn't the same as number one by far. And so that puts more pressure on your offense. And I think one of the most memorable things of the season happened today in Chicago. The crowd chanting, Teddy, Teddy, Teddy for Teddy Bridgewater in Chicago, that's the Saints fans showing up on the road.

I mean, that is something else. And Sean Payton's going to get his first coach of the year since his first year in the league, which ended with a loss in Chicago. He deserves it. I know that there's Belichick and everyone else, but there are little things that Sean Payton does. You know, other coaches, even if they throw the challenge flag

and then, you know, it totally beguiled when it doesn't go their way. Payton threw an early one in this game that went the Saints way and kept, it took a big chunk of yardage away from Chicago. It mattered, these little things that he does. And the way that he just scripts the offense differently, week to week depending on who's in there. And it was like a game where it's Matt Nagy. We both have backup quarterbacks.

You presume yours as a starter. I know mine isn't, but we're still going to go in and school you. And before we move on, my final thought, and I've had this thought all season and sports can be humbling, but I keep thinking back to the summer and the hubris of the bears who brought in the nine kickers and this general feeling from outside the team. Like, they thought if we just get a guy I could put it through the uprates in the playoffs, we will be playing in February.

Well, it's not always that easy. And we're seeing that right now because this team has so many more problems than they thought they did. And we'll see if they could dig themselves out, but it is not looking too hot right now. Let's move on. Not too hot.

Jackson, with first in the back field. This is going to be a quarterback run. Jackson takes a snap, runs to the right. He's got a scene. He's to the five. He's in. Touchdown. Lamar Jackson.

And the Ravens had taken the lead again. That was old school single wing. And that was a straight-up wildcat play. Great timeout, great decision, great execution, and the Ravens are back in front. And that was on fourth down. Jerry Sandusky, Dennis Pitta. Dennis Pitta. Nice.

I hope his hips okay. Yeah. That thing was, that was a real, that game a lot of trouble. Yes, it did. And Jared Johnson, WBAL with the call. MVP watch. Lamar Jackson ran for 116 yards in a touchdown, made some big throw. and took the Ravens to an easy 30 to 16 win.

Yeah, easy over the Seahawks at the clink. West, this game did nothing for you until Lamar got hot. It wasn't easy for two and a half quarters. And it wasn't easy to watch the game. There wasn't a whole lot going on. And then that sequence that we're talking about, the Red Zone in the third quarter, Lamar Jackson set it up with a really nice pass to Mark Andrews

down the sideline, maybe his best pass of the day. and then KJ Wright knocked a touchdown out of Mark Andrews hands. Then Mark Andrews just flat out dropped the ball. Tough day for Mark. Got to be 3rd and 15. Lamar Jackson scrambles for about 13 and a half yards on 3rd and 15. So it's 4th and 2, and they send out Justin Tucker for the field goal, only to call a timeout and give credit to John Harbaugh,

who has stood up at the podium, and said this is what's going on with our analytics department. This is what I believe in. This is how I'm calling plays now. We're aggressive. the eight-yard rush on fourth and two for a touchdown. The confidence in Lamar Jackson, the way Lamar Jackson played, and in that sequence there was also a play where they didn't get the ball off in time. And it was a shotgun, and Lamar Jackson was as demonstrative as any quarterback you'll ever see.

Upset with the center. The center snapped it late anyway. Lamar is mid-air jumping, snapped to his ankles, and he still caught it while he's like mid-air. It was amazing athletic play, but how demonstrative he was and how much. much he cared in that situation. And he took over from there. The Seahawks defense was so frustrated by his scrambling ability, his legs, and you can see they just sort of had no answer for him the rest of the way. Well, they play football unlike any other team in the league. And on some level, any other team that's ever played, because he's, he's on his way to setting the all-time rushing record for a

quarterback. He's on pace for almost 1,300 rushing. He's on pace to shatter it. And he only completed nine passes today. That would have been better as certainly if Mark Andrews had caught his passes. But the thing, I think if you're a Ravens fan that you like, is I think the defense has been getting a little bit better each week, and Marcus Peters makes a big pick six today for them that came in handy. Well, along with Lamar Jackson, the other story of the game, was it looked like Wink Martindale was finally calling plays like he trusted his secondary again.

He said, I'm going to bring the house, and I'm going to play manned defense back here, and then we're going to dare the Seahawks to do it. And the Seahawks office offense, one of the reasons why I can't really get behind them is I never know what their offense is. It just seems to be like, let's rule out the footballs and have Russell Wilson make magic. What happens when he doesn't make magic? I mean, that's – That hadn't happened until this game. Right.

And that's why Wilson, a lot of people when they talk about who's an MVP favorite, he's been near the top of the list because every week he's been carrying this team. So that's why the Ravens, and we talked about this on the Thursday preview, their defense has not been good this year. And to look at the final stat line, Russell Wilson, 20 for 41, less than six yards per attempt. He threw a pick six. This is stuff that has been completely foreign to the 2019 season, anyone making Russell Wilson look human. So that, I mean, that's a huge credit to Wink and company. Yeah, a defense that's been in flux, and they've made a lot of changes just in the past couple of weeks. The early results today were the changes worked great.

I know he was only sacked one time, Russell Wilson, but I feel like every time I looked up, The Ravens were in his face and making life difficult. And Greg, you mentioned that the reporting out there was that the Ravens, if they were going to trade for Marcus Peters, wanted him right away for this game. And he made a huge difference. And the Ravens are that kind of team. When they make a trade, it's not just to generate headlines.

It's because it's a missing piece. It fits. I think the next missing piece for them might be a wide receiver. We mentioned that on Thursday. I'd like to see something else in the passing game. But when you're going to run the ball 35 times, nearly six yards per carry, I don't know. Maybe you just ride this out.

Well, and Humphrey and Peters is a legit combo, and even when they get Jimmy Smith back, that'll be even better. Josh Binds, who used to play for Detroit and's had moments, I think, has helped out the middle of this defense. I don't know why he went unsigned during the offseason. I thought he was one of the Cardinals' best defensive players last year. That report was from Adam Schaefter, by the way, and it is really interesting that he reported all this trade stuff happened this week with a call from the Rams to the Browns because they won a Joel Betonio. for Marcus Peters. They said no. They ended up, you know,

making a lower level trade to the Rams. They call up the Ravens, and the Ravens said, yeah, we want Peters, but we want them this week. We want this trade to be finished in the next couple hours or else we're not going to do it,

and it all happened very fast. I mean, you give up, Joel, but who's guarding Baker Mayfield, my little pony? Right, no, I think that was good by the Browns. You didn't need to do that. I'd like to see that.

I don't need to see that. A cartoon pony. Big win, five and two. Right now they put themselves, put some distance. I believe Cleveland Market 2 and 4 is in second place. I think it's a huge upset at this point with the way the four teams in that division are playing

if Baltimore does not handle their business. However, I agree. But however, I just looked at their schedule and they have the Patriots next week. Then at Cincinnati, there you go. Texans, at Rams, Niners, at Phil. So this is going to be a tough stretch for them. They have the flip of what some of the other teams

in that division had. I mean, it was a rough schedule for a bunch of those North teams. They've done a nice job setting themselves up for that really tough stretch. And this was part of that tough stretch and they got it done. Let's check in on a huge division showdown.

First down near midfield for the Houston, Texas. Watson backs the throw. He's got time. Staps up in the pocket. Wheels a deep downfield and it's bobbled and it's incomplete. And they're going to say, what do we got? We have it.

Interception by the Colts. Interception by the Colts. Kiki-Cudey bottled it. And then the ball chipped up in the air. Intercepted by Indianapolis. And it's Jerry is Leonard. Leonard comes up with a tip drill, the maniac with the interception, the second I-N-T of the ball game for the Colts, and that should do it.

What is everyone laughing about? I will tell you in a minute. I don't want to, we'll get there in a minute. It's cutie. It's not that. Matt Taylor, Colts, Radio Network, and yes, Darius Leonard back in the lineup, and he comes up with the game deciding interception. But to me, this game was about Jake Brisket, you're a star kid. least you were on Sunday. Jacoby Brissette threw for 326 yards and a career high,

four touchdowns leading the Colts past the Houston Texans 30 to 23. And with the win, the Colts move into sole possession of first place in the AFC South. And you know what? As we near the midpoint of this season, you know, it'll be week eight come Thursday. you could not ask for a better situation if you're a cults fan for Andrew Luck to step away and leave the game right on the eve of the season and then to be ahead of everyone in your division and gaining confidence by the week. A huge win, obviously, a week ago against the Chiefs.

Now another big brand name taken out in the Texans and their schedule really softens up ahead. So they have a chance to not only now that they're ahead, they have a chance to put them in position to really put the heat on Houston to just to keep up with them if they can take care of their own business. And my big takeaway from what they did that was different this week is, like I said, Jake Brisket played so well. This has been a team that has run the football, played good defense, got good coaching

and moved the ball through the air when they had to. Well, this was a game where they couldn't really run the ball, and they needed Jake Brisket to do something special. And he did. And that's a huge lift for this team. I was laughing because we do these hits for SkySports in the UK. And if you're, the way the process works, it's a bit tedious. We have to send an email saying, here's what we're going to talk about. They listen to this podcast.

Well, I'm not saying it's not, it's just that it's email based. And I basically, it's my job to, like in this case, to send over here's what Dan's going to talk about. And they can, they will throw to us based off of these sentences that we send. And I was meant to say for Dan, the cults won in a very different way to. and all they wrote was they won in a different way today. So like seconds before we're on the air, you know, Alex Mason, our beloved producer there is saying, Dan, who on earth was it that you were discussing?

Hey, mate, you got to be more clear. And I'm like, I didn't do it. Mark did it. And it just was a melt. Sorry, it's like my two young sons pointing at each other when there's a spilled milk on the ground or something. Right. Anyway, yes, big win for the cults. I love when teams go into the biweek and you can see when they come out of the biweek

that they had some ideas about how they're going to attack differently. And I think the Colts knew what their reputation was. They're the slowest-paced offense in the league. They're the offense that's going deep down the field and not explosive most in the league. And they come out of that by-week and they throw the ball around. And it works. And you know what?

I think it's really key and who knows if they'll stay healthy. But we haven't seen the Colts defense all year. Today we did. Sheard, Danico Autry, Darius Leonard, all back on the field at the same time. and for a defense that doesn't have a ton of talent, I think it's important that they're healthy because all those guys play almost every single snap, even on the defensive line.

Darius Leonard jumped right in, 10 tackles, 7 solos, a pick that changed the game at the end. I do think he would have been defensive player of the year, one, two, or three candidate had he not suffer this concussion. Credit to the Colts beat riders who have been pumping up Zach Pascal since training camp.

He goes for... 106 yards and two touchdowns today. What did the Colts be? Colts do? Or what did you see out of your boy, Watson? Yeah, at this point, the Texans being held to 23 points is like, I see that as a great job by the defense. Yeah, it was, you know, we just talked about, you don't want to always depend on, like in Seattle for your quarterback to have to put on the Superman cape. But Watson, like Wilson, is one of the few guys that can pull it off. He just didn't do it this time. He threw two interceptions in the fourth quarter. One was a terrible throw when he

threw off his back foot across his body into the flat for an easy pick and then they got off the field immediately to keep them in the game and it was a two score game and he throws a pass a little bit high to Kiki Kite. Who

maybe should have had the ball but it wasn't put on the numbers. They would have more points if the game officials didn't bang Watson in the grasp call where he did an amazing job because he's one of the great athletes in the sport of staying on his feet with people trying to drag him down,

hits DeAndre Hopkins for six. They wave it off because they decided he was in the grasp. I don't really get the ruling. I know it's done to protect quarterbacks, but usually in that situation, the quarterback gets walloped anyway, and it costs them four points as it turned out. And that turned out to be a big deal.

But Watson was good, not great, and this is a game where they needed him to be great, and he wasn't. Thought they'd have a chance to maybe run away with this division. That seems a lot less likely now. They do get the Colts on, I believe it's a Thursday night game, but they also play the Ravens and the Patriots.

All those teams kind of battling for seeding. Well, Dan talked about this cold schedule. Their next four games, three home games in that four. They play Broncos, Steelers, Dolphins, Jags. You can't draw it up much better than that. And consistency continues to haunt the Texans because I feel like every eight or nine days we're talking about how amazing they look

and how they're a real threat. And then they drop one of these games, which I wouldn't call it a stinker going on the road and losing to a good Colts team in a competitive game's not the end of the world but they committed 10 penalties they had the two turnovers they had three

drives where they went into deep into Colts territory and had to settle for field goals they just need to be sharper and really kind of start stacking wins like they did last year Colts team is likable though I would be fun to be covering Jacoby

Brissette and Frank Reich at the Super Bowl why not let's do it Colts Eric Ebron made one of the catches of the year the end of the one of the one with the Texans. I'd rather follow a team that hits you with those occasional high-ceiling moments where you feel like they could beat anyone at certain times than

a clunker that's going to go give you 10 wins but they are limited and you're just fooling yourself if you think they're going to do anything beyond total marginal 10-win season disappearing into the midst. I think these are both playoff teams and I want to be surprised if they play again. AFC's a mess. Why not?

Let's move on. Snap to Rogers. Back to throw deep drop. Rainbows right south. Cumbero. Got it. Ten, five. Pylon.

Is it a touchdown? No, he stepped out of bounds, apparently, or is it? And apparently it is. Jim Comrow, 37-yard touchdown strike for Aaron Rogers. Wayne Larithy. Look at this song. I mean, I'm just picturing Joe Namath in the hottest club on the Upper East Side. just going ham

this feels like French connection part three or something what's happening here I love it play this for every game Packers Radio Network Aaron Rogers looks like an MVP again

Rogers had his best game by far under Matt Lafleur throwing for 429 yards 5 touchdowns runs for another score flower power Packers beat the Raiders 4224 at Lambo the wind moves to the pack

the pack to 5 and 1 keeps him alone at top the NFC North. Greg, the Packers are fun again. Not good news for the rest of the NFC. It is not because Aaron Rogers has total command of his offense right now, total command of the game. I thought he had it on Monday night. I thought that game was one of the best

I've seen in years from him. The surroundings, not as much. Today, it showed up in the statute. They only had the ball eight times with Aaron Rogers. They scored six touchdowns in those eight possessions, and he scored on all of them. And the sequence to end the first half and to start

the second half where they had to move down the field quickly, to me, told you everything. They didn't run, they didn't call a running play in either one of those drives. They scored touchdowns in both of those drives. In that Kumero touchdown, he looks off the safety, he hits Kumero down the field. He was living in turkey holes today. I mean, half of his throws were just beautiful throws that not many quarterbacks could make. eight plays over 20 yards to six different receivers. So they weren't that healthy.

Valdes Scantling and Geronimo Allison did play, although they were limited. Eight guys caught between two and four passes. So it's a bunch of guys, you know, Alan Lazard and Jimmy Graham actually made a couple of plays that you don't expect. But he just seems to know everything that's happening. On the rushing touchdown that he had,

he saw where the blitz was coming in the middle of their defense, he changed the play, and he just ran it in because it was just that easy. And you know this, he wanted this game, because as I pointed out, I wanted this game. This is backed by no evidence, but you knew he was annoyed when Aaron Jones had the four touchdowns on the ground that one game. And they had an otherwise great game on offense, but Rogers didn't get to stuff the

stat sheet because that's how you win MVP awards. It's a fair theory. He has a funny way of showing it. Add six touchdowns to the ledger today and all's even Stephen. That first touchdown that he had today was to Aaron Jones. and it was a back shoulder throw on a corner route by a running back, which is just the highest degree of difficulty you could have for Jones who had to turn around at the last second.

Aaron Jones makes some plays every week that just blow you away. So it's not that he doesn't have any talent around him. He's got Aaron Jones. Where are we at on this white jacket that the flower wears every week? Does that bother you, Dan? I think it's flower power. I mean, the flower can do almost anything he wants to do right now. Keep wearing it.

I don't like the look, but I, have to admit, when they've been dialing up shot plays, like they dialed one up in the first half that it ended up being a penalty, but it worked, and they came out in the second half, and you could tell it was a Lefleur special. I mean, Tony Romo was singing

seapomes about the play calling that Lefleur had, and they knew what they were going to do first play out of scrimmage, and he hits them for 55 yards. Go ahead. Romo with C-Polmes, Rogers looking like an MVP. I cannot wait to go home and watch this on Game Pass. This is the

first game of the year where on Sunday I'm like, yep, I'm definitely queuing that one up when I get home. Well, they're an NFC by team right now. I mean, they're just, they seem to be, you could see it with the offense and little stretches here and they're getting better and better. And the flower kind of reminds me of like young Al Pacino in like the first Godfather where his voice is crackly and he's like, wait, you're the lead character of this movie. But then you get him 10 years later and he's like a completely different human being. Maybe that's the arc of the flowers. He starts as someone that we're kind of questioning. It's only like mid-October. I'm just saying, The flower.

What if he's there for 10 years? He might be a totally different dude. The flower is going to keep blooming. I mean, the crazy thing is that the Raiders offense played quite well in this game. They lost the ball twice with inside the one-yard line. Once they were stuffed in a goal line stand, another time Derek Carr lost a fumble, reaching for it like he did a couple years ago or else they would have had a lead 17, 14, with a couple minutes left in the first half.

They went up and down the field pretty easily on the Packers. And I think John Gruden is coaching amazingly this year. I mean, Derek Carr doesn't have any talent other than Darren Waller around him either. And they are just moving up and down the field very methodically. But Carr, even though his numbers look great, in three of the first four drives, he was the reason they stopped. He missed throws on third down. And when you play this kind of like short in the field,

we're only going to have eight possession type of style. When you miss a third down throw, it's almost like a turnover. And he missed a couple to end otherwise good throws. And he had that fumble. and it was like they were no coming back because their defense is awful. That's what I've been telling you. Let's see if we can get through another offseason

with Crude and not falling for some other quarterback somewhere. By the way, I'm bailing on public consensus. I'm now for losing possession when you reach the ball out like a fool. And Derek, great player. An incredible player, great man. Having a good season, I think. Family man and his numbers,

he's closing in on Drew Breese's all-time record for completion percentage. But you've got to be better about. protecting the football there in that spot that killed him change the game their roster isn't good enough for the playoffs and that starts on their defense but i always think it's important in seasons like that when you know your roster isn't ready yet to find those building blocks and darren waller and josh jacobs are star they're stars jacobs is so good today he ran over adrian amos on the first play he had another monster game waller's amazing the defense i think is just one of the four or five in the entire NFL.

And you're not going to beat Aaron Rogers, I think, unless you have a pass rush, and they do not. Well, outside of Cleolmac, they inherited that. I mean, there was a long way to go with that defense. True. Although they did draft, you know, a pass rusher with the number four overall pick, and he's giving them very, very little. Max Crosby, their fourth round pick, is giving them a lot more.

Let's check in on another great division battle. One wide receiver in the game for the Vikings, it's digs to the left, second and six. Cousins play action. He's going to fire deep. Diggs right side. Yes! Diggs caught it at the 30.

Angles to the left, 25, 20. He sprits to the 15 to the 10, holding on tightly to the ball with both hands, and he's taken down at the four. Step on Diggs comes up huge on a 65-yard reception. It's first in gold, Vikings, and look what happened. Paul Allen, one of the great voices in the National Football League amongst the Vikings Radio Network. I loved that call.

I love it. When teams have a chance to close out a game and they could run the ball and do a cloud of dust and punt it away and hold on for dear life or you can go win a football game, which is what they did. Kirk Cousins connects with Stefan Diggs

on that 67-yard catch-and-run from deep in their own territory with two minutes to play. Cousins threw four touchdown passes. And the Vikings win 42-30 over the slumping lions who have suddenly lost three in a row. And yes, you heard it there.

Play action, that has become what has changed with his offense. In these last three weeks, her Cousins has become the most productive passer in the league. A stretch where he's completed, 75% of his passes, thrown 10 touchdowns against one interception, throwing for, I think, 325 yards per game during this winning streak.

And it's play action. And just to give you an idea of how much it's been a change and how it's clearly something they realized they needed to be taking advantage of is for the past three games, 150 plus yards of Cousins' total is coming off that play action. In his, let's say, 16 games last year

and whatever it was before that, four games this year, so about 20 games, he only did that once. So they realized that they weren't taking advantage of what should be something that could kill defenses, and now they're killing defenses with it.

And, Wes, this is such a far cry from where we were three weeks ago when Kirk Cousins was the capital T, the capital P problem. This is why I got excited about the Vikings offense coming into the season because when you have the skill talent they have, if they find a way to get into that top gear,

500 yards today. Well, that problem combined a couple of perfect storm scenarios that everybody always overreacts to the first couple of games of the year. So you have the normal September of reaction. And then you have whatever it is about Kirk Cussons, where everybody insists on apportioning blame to the quarterback after the game. No matter who's at fault, it always goes to cousins.

I'm glad that he's doing this. I'm glad he's playing with more confidence, that he's less timid, that they are a balanced offense, and that's what Adam Thieland and Stefan Diggs were saying a few weeks ago. We need to be balanced because nobody's going to be afraid of us if all we do is run the ball. And you're right, Dan, this is the offense you thought you were going to see in the summertime. And Mark's right, because he sat here two weeks ago and says, show me something, Vikings, and they did. They showed you that they might be one of the best teams in the NFC now.

Well, perfectly delightful when they do this and use their weapons the way they should. I think it's strong to say Mark was right about it. No, I think that's... He said they were a team that had no chance to win in the playoffs. Maybe they could possibly make it. Not the way they were playing then. Well, you guys are not giving him the proper credit for the fact that the Vikings are now showing Mark something is what's going on. That's good.

I'm sure they're happy about that. When you were suggesting they can be this the best office, offense in football or the N.S. He was saying they could change and they have. All right, but I was suggesting they weren't playing up to their parts and they weren't. I just said West is such a good man and he's a good friend, but he's bending over backwards here on this angle. Well, Mark saved me from locking up the falcons, so I owe him a bunch of compliments. I mean, all right, this is becoming absurd, but I will say this, they had issues and I wonder if it wasn't maybe Mike Zimmer that at some point in the process here had to say my idea of

offense needs to change. Kevin Stefanski was a guy that other teams wanted, and Kevin Stefansky, I'm assuming, was more creative than this offense appeared to be with its play calling over the first month of the season. So, you know, it's not all on Kirk Cousins, but they were more than just Delvin Cook running 45 times a game. Well, and they were playing a defense you can move the ball on. The lions have given up, I think, more than 450 yards of opposing offense. Three straight games is the first time since they went winless. And six straight games of 100 plus yards on the ground allowed. And the Vikings, to their credit, they lose Adam Thiel into an injury.

He might not be able to play Thursday night. I think Irv Smith is a guy to watch, adding a little more dynamism to their tight end position, and Irv Smith gives them that. B.C. Johnson, too. Just makes them all the more dangerous. On the line side of the ball, we've now hit the point where it teeters over to the negative side. We were giving them credit for hanging around, hanging in games against really good

competition, which is good. It shows that they have progressed year one to year two under Patricia. And yes, you guys get jobed. You got jobs last Monday night. It doesn't mean that you certainly should have won the game, but it really did work out in your favor of those two calls. But again, this game was there for the taking. And Detroit has not been able to find a way to close out these games. And they're two, three, and one now. They have not won this month because they had a buy in there as well. And in the division that they play in, and we just talked about how great the Packers were,

I think we all believe that the Vikings are a team that could win 11 plus games potentially. The line just seemed like they're in deep trouble now. And this was the game they needed and they couldn't get it done. Their schedule does ease up, I would say, down the stretch other than the division schedule, but you're going to have to win these division games and you're quickly starting to run out.

I just think they're a team with some young parts that you could believe. But they lost, what, Carrey-on-Johnson early in this game. Darius Slay, too. And this is the concern with him, that their starters are fine. But if they get a guy like Carri-on-Johnson or Darius Slay injured, from starter to backup is a chasm for this team. Dan, would you like to take a sip of your tea? I feel like I've kind of blocked you out of that because of my issue.

Well, you can always press the cough button and you wouldn't hear it, right? That's a good point, Greg. He actually does this. There is a point where... That would be the considerate thing to do, really. It's hard to hold the cough button and move your microphone. Oh, it's so tough. And talk as you've just...

I mean, the struggles we face. The equipment is not cheap, gentlemen. So to get crazy with the cough button while you're trying to lubricate your throat in a big spot. Well, I'm not listening to that argument. By the way, the Adam Thielen hamstring injury on football night in America, your boy, Greg, Mike Florio, reported that they view it potentially as more a week to week rather than day to day.

He ain't playing. They're playing the Redskins on Thursday. And he knows, Florio's tuned in with the Vikings. Closet Vikings fan. Also, if you're blaming Kirk Cousins for that injury because he somehow threw him into the wall, oh, stop it. Re-evaluate your life choices, please.

Someone's doing that? I saw people blaming Kirk Cousins for that injury, which they thought was some kind of knee in the wall thing. It turned out to be a hamstring. Either way, it wasn't Cousins' fault. He's like, you want to keep. honking and complaining about not getting the ball. Here's this wall.

Eat the wall, baby. West and Cousins are going to be going on vacation together soon. It's just like constant. I mean, you guys are the kissing cousins corner. I've been lost to the mix here. This is going straight to the source. Whatever it is about that guy, he rubs some people wrong to such a degree

that everything gets blamed on him no matter what it is. You like that? Not everybody does. Let's move on. Ouch. 13 seconds to go is this game is all over. Four man rush. Case the throw. He's from the back side. He sat at the

nine yard line and that'll do it. And the Niners are all sliding over the field. They're looking like a bunch of fools out there, Cooley. But they win the game. They win the game. And you know what? Britson's going to remember that one day. You watch. Will they now. Who is that?

Oh, you know who it was. Larry Michael and Chris Cooley. Yes, I pull, I had Ricky pull that because I got some tweets. You got to check out the Redskins call the end of the game. They're crying in their beers. That was something. Nick Bosa sat Case Keenham to run out the clock.

Belly flopped into a slip-and-slide celebration. Bosa and the Niners, get it done in the elements, striving rain. How come the box score is only showing like first quarter stats for Case Keenom? And heavy wind. Good question. Claiming an ugly nine-zip win over the Redskins. Mark, the Niners are six and O for the first time since. 1990, good job. No style points were necessary given the conditions.

What a beautiful, amazing, intriguing game this was. And I'm not saying that in a way that I'm not poking fun at it. I truly enjoy these kind of games thrown in occasionally to the mix of 42 to 36, 9 to nothing in a game that took two hours in 36 minutes. And I thought to myself, I can't remember us being together and watching a game, because this is I'm looking for that game. That's a Greg Maddox special. I'm looking for that. I mean, quote, this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen, Mark Sessler, around, you know, 1 o'clock today.

We all want different things in life and in football. And I thought this has got to be the fastest game in a while. And I shot a note over to NFL research. And they confirmed, at least since the time we've been together, it is. And it goes back to Week 16 of 2009 when the Jaguars and Patriots played a game that was also two hours. and 36 minutes. The reason that happened is because this is the first game of the year that I can remember outside of some wind in a couple of fares, where the weather, absolutely, whatever game

plan anyone went in with, it was absolutely blown to pieces by kickoff because it was, you know, and if you were watching the video show here, or you were listening to them, the players jumping in puddles at the end, from the first quarter on, any time a player was brought down to the earth's surface, it was just a gigantic puddle of wet covering them. I mean, it's the kind of thing if you've ever played in that, and I have, because I played in Pop Warner and high school, guys. You know, when you're in a wet weather affair, you're... Wait, did you say both?

What do you mean? You played in both levels? Yeah, I wouldn't say I played a lot in high school. It was just sort of on the... It's got to be its own podcast. There's a lot to work with there. The deciding factor here was the Niners defense, and it's not a surprise.

It wasn't a huge challenge, obviously, because Bill Callahan decided to run Adrian Peterson like we thought he would, 450 times and the Niners though 154 yards allowed all game at 3.8 yards per carry but I would just throw all stats out of this it really was about one team needing to get hot and on one or two drives and you knew it was over and the Niners did that Jimmy G had 10 yards passing at half they really couldn't run the ball either for a big chunk of this I am weirdly invested as people that listen to every show or plugged in on this maybe a little bit in Adrian Peterson passing Walter Payton on the all-time touchdowns list.

He gets a ton of carries, doesn't find the end zone. It does remind me of a game, if you'll let me go down memory lane. In 1993, as a 13-year-old Jets fan, the Jets went to Washington and won three to nothing to improve to 8 and 5 that year. Then they lost out and missed the playoffs. But it was the same situation, same exact situation where it's miserable conditions. Nobody could get anything going. And I guess in D.C., you know, they got the nationals to look forward to this game, probably

they don't even think about. But, yeah, another sad day at FedEx Field. I'd say one quick thing, that the Redskins, this game would have taken on a different complexion. They opened with a 12-play, 54-yard, run Adrian Peterson nine times drive, that took up nearly nine minutes off the clock. That's how you win a game like this. And they basically were shut down right near the goal line and missed a field goal.

And you knew at that point. I wanted to say game over, Niners will not lose this. But it went on for another hour point. Plus, without the Niners scoring, I think the Niners are a team that can win a lot of games in a different type of way without their quarterback being the deciding factor because Jimmy G, I like him a lot, but he was not the difference today.

Well, Nick Bosa has weirdly maybe not gotten enough love as one of the great pass rushers we've seen and enter the league in our lifetime. Number one on my list of defensive rookies list. I mean, I think at this point he's in the mix for defensive player of the year. Oh, come on. I really, when you look at the pressure rates and especially what he's done since he came back from the injury, granted that's only a couple weeks, but he dominated this game. Pressure rates don't win that award.

Four tackles for loss. He's starting to get sacks as well. He got a sack four tackles for loss in this game. He's winning almost every snap. It is crazy to see what he's doing. And when I watched, I went back and watched the Rams game, and on the coach, they have a chance. I know it's super early. But they have it, if we're going to talk MVP's at this point in season, the defensive line has a chance to be. one of the great defensive lines. If they're totally healthy, they have a chance to just go, like, win a Super Bowl by themselves that group. Because Armstead is playing like a pro bowler.

He's the fourth guy on there. Bosa, Ford is playing well. Buckner. It's just a crazy group. And if Bosa can stay healthy, he's playing at a level as high as almost any pass pressure. That's probably lowering his sack. But there's so many other faces on that defense.

And the reason they only got three sacks on Case Keenum is because he only had 12 attempts today. They kept him out of harm's way the best they could And they still wreaked total havoc on them One note on the Redskins They have gone a full calendar year Between home victories That's not good

But don't worry They were going to remember that celebration They're gonna get back at them in 2039 When they're back Remember the puddles? Oh, two more things about this game And then we'll move on Oh there's a lot more

Kyle Shanahan Gave the game ball to Mike Shanahan All right Hired once upon a time So that's a nice little thing So Mike made the visit just for revenge. I guess so.

That's a very Shanna-esque tale. That's good. And finally, and just this speaks to how rough things are for the Washington Redskins right now, this was homecoming day and the conditions. I mean, what got washed out basically. More like Go Home Day. I mean, just get out of there as quick as possible. And they helped him with the shortest game in a decade.

Mark, they say that weather is the great equalizer in football. And your experience is a Peewee football player. Did you find that to be true? The teams that I were on were very mentally tough. And so, you know, there were other factors. Weather wasn't really something that would get in our way for the most part. Let's move on. He takes the quick snap, looking right all the way.

Lobs the ball to Gurley, out of the backfield. Over the shoulder. He brings it in. Touchdown, L.A. Tied Gurley, with one of the great catches of his career back in Georgia for the first touchdown of the game. He's the voice of Westchester, J.B. Long of the Rams Radio Network. Jared Goff threw for two touchdowns, ran for another score.

And the Rams rolled over the Falcons 3710 in the building where their offense melted down against the Pats in Super Bowl 53. The Rams, they end a three-game losing streak in the debut of Jalen Ramsey, who, Wes, maybe you can let us in. And what they did to get them on the field in terms of whether it was Tor doll or a brace, You know, whatever it's, you get that back straightened out so they can play. Anyway, first off, you do oh, mark a hug for moving out of the Falcons lot, a lock. I don't know.

You should get half of a loss for that, I feel like. Absolutely not. And two, the race. The score. And two, 37, 10. The Rams needed this bad. Yeah, that's, it's borderline miraculous. I don't know if they brought some miracle healer to the scene for Jalen Rams to be able to play.

But not only was he played. he was tracking Julio Jones around the field and jacking his jaw the whole first half and then I thought one of the big turning points in the game Julio Jones beats Ramsey for 39 yards then he beats Ramsey again down the sideline and the ball right in his hands he has to stretch out and dive

and it was so close to being a catch it would have put them right on the doorstep of the end zone he couldn't quite reel it in and the Falcons never recovered from that. And then the rest of the game was just a series of points at which I didn't think the Falcons could get lower. And then they would, I just underestimated how low the Falcons could get. Ouch.

Well, it doesn't get lower than Matt Ryan getting hurt. Well, before that, Devante Freeman got ejected for doing something stupid, like trying to pick a fight with Aaron Donald. I don't know why anyone was... On the same week, someone sucker punched Miles Garrett. Although Donald kind of took his manhood by holding him up, basically and walking at the same time. That was probably the biggest game

Freeman's head all year. Ouch. You know, we're sponsored by the Marine Corps and, you know, you don't impose your will on a man like that. That's disrespectful. That's what football is. Imposing your will on the other guy. You pick them up like a little boy.

It's disrespectful. You know, the Marines, we don't, we don't go for that. It is surprised. They just beat him 37 to 10. I'm not surprised that the final scored. That the Rams scored. But the fact that the Falcons only scored, you're only at 224 yards.

in a game that Ryan did play most of, is pretty surprising. It's the same thing we've seen all year. He was hit on 11 of his first 22 dropbacks and no running game because the running back doesn't make anyone miss. So that's a problem. The offensive line's a problem. And then a couple of near catches, but it was certainly not one of Matt Ryan's better game. They're in that mix now for the top, because their schedule's tough.

They're in that mix for the top pick. Especially if Ryan's Jared. They could lose out. He was hobbling, and word after the game is that they don't think it's a serious injury. It looked like something he could probably go out there and play on in a Patrick Mahomes limited mobility kind of way. And again, on Sky Sports earlier today, we were asked West by Neil Reynolds if Dan Quinn could be out the door sooner rather than later with the by week coming up in week nine. And it's like, well, what does that matter? Sometimes that feels like that's overblown because it seems like we're nearing certainty territory that he'll be let go.

and he won't be the coach in 2020. What does it really matter if he's let go when they're one and eight or whatever it will be at the by week? The bigger question is if they get rid of Thomas Dimitrov and they really blow up the whole thing. I don't necessarily think that's a good idea, but it's probably something they're considering.

Well, it's usually a little bit easier than we think to read these things and it has to do with credibility. If the coach has lost the locker room and nobody's buying in anymore, you know, Dion Jones after the game says, we got his back, we're going to keep fighting. And, you know, the owner, Arthur Blank, said,

I still support Dan Quinn, so it doesn't feel like he's lost them. It just feels like they're lost. They haven't had a sack. They pop this up on the screen during the game. They haven't had a sack since September 21st. It's been over 300 snaps now since they've had a set. Long way from that playoff game that you guys were at, Ham's Falcons. I mean, it reminds me a little bit, you know, going back to the Bears,

where if you're Matt Nagy and you come out of a game like this where the offense laid a gigantic egg, it's like, this is why you were brought in. And Dan Quinn's defense has not been a Dan Quinn. defense in a long time. That owner is not a knee-jerk reaction type of guy, though. He said he's redistributed some of the play calling duties on defense going back to last week. Look at this flex on Sunday Night Football. The graphic, most consecutive years is number one ranked show in prime time. Sunday Night Football, eight seasons passing American Idol, the Cosby Show, and all in the family. What a flex. Wow. I think that's like the first time in the years that we've kind of

broke the fourth wall. Yeah, we've broken the fourth wall. We're talking about Sunday in football, but that's what did it for you. I mean, that's wild in the middle of the second quarter. The NFL occasionally sends these tweets out where it's a, the top 25 programs of the last, you know, three months in all 25 or NFL games. And it's just the league being like, hey, you say our league is down here's a bunch of middle fingers. That's when you, if you want to know.

That's how I read it at least. Yeah, if you want to know why Al Michaels has four Rolls Royces in Malibu. Does he? That figure. What else is on right now? That's right, unless you're like, you know, DVRing 60 minutes in watching it for the third time in a row. It's total.

It's any show and any, you know, they just dominate the landscape. That's like 270 minutes, Mark. No competition. Let's move up. Oh, this game's a mess. Rivers takes the stamp, gives it to Gordon. Did he get in? No, he did not.

The clock is stopped with seven seconds to go. There is a lot of discussion. I don't know what this is about. I'm not sure why the Titans' defense took off running. And he's losing the ball. He appears to be, he's losing the ball. That's what it is. The ball is coming out.

And Woodyard, I think, is the man who recovered it. That's what this is. That's what it is. We couldn't see it. The Titans have recovered the football. That's why they came running out. If it's ruled a fumble, which it should be, the Titans have won this game. We've never had an ending like this here.

Mike Keith, beautiful call. Wow, I love that. Titans Radio Network. Oh, my God. Dorel Casey. Is this the song Shaq uses? It's going to put us in the crosshairs. Uh-oh.

Might have to scrub this one. There's no way he listens. That's true. Derell Casey recovered a fumble by Melvin Gordon at the goal line with 15 seconds to play. The Titans somehow pulled out a 2320 win over the Chargers. And the Dirtnat Dirtnap ball, as we, I believe, titled it. Welcome to the Underworld Chargers. Greg, even by the standards of the Los Angeles Chargers,

this loss was absurd. No, this was something special. This was something different. Unfortunately, I had to trade this, I had to trade for this game, had the pleasure of watching it. This may go down as one of the greatest trades since Steve Young to the 49ers. I mean, let's not act like it was a trade. You basically imposed your will on me like Aaron Donald and Devonte Freeman.

You were very nice. And you know what? If you're listening for the first time, you have no idea what we discussed. It doesn't matter. We trade the assign. This game was insane how it ended. And we could talk more about the rest of the game, but the ending sequence where Melvin Gordon got a chance to lose the game for the Chargers.

Drives me crazy because Melvin Gordon got way too many chances to lose this game for the Chargers. 16 carries, 32 yards, got the ball three different times on the goal line. The first time in the first half, he was stuffed, and he kind of almost fumbled it. They didn't call it a fumble. There was some debate whether it was a fumble or not. They end up scoring on a throw to Gordon the next play. This time, they get the ball back on the goal line. There's some back and forth.

There's a false start. There's a whole lot of everything, like two overturned touchdowns where the charges thought they had won. But the reality is Gordon fumbled on the goal line, which you absolutely cannot do, and he recovered it. And then Anthony Lynn gave him the ball back, or whoever's calling the play, Ken Wisenhunt gave him the ball back again. And he fumbled it again, which is just insane. And drives me crazy because Austin Echler is the only reason they were in this game. They were down 10 with six minutes to go.

And I said to Wes, the chargers are like one of those dogs who start clearing the way for when they want to take a nap. They were digging up the dirt, 10 points down, six minutes to go. But they came back about as fast as he possibly could because of Austin Eckle. as a receiver doing everything and then you give the ball the Gordon to lose it. Not even your best.

Good animal analogy. Just throwing out of that. Not even your best analogy. At one point you seemed to compare, you had a plumbing analogy in which Austin Echler was somehow Drano and Gordon was a ball of tangled hair. He's clogging the toilet.

He's the toilet clogger. I called him the anti-plunger. This backfield to me shows how good NFL players are and I'd love to see a coach after a holdout, don't let that guy back on the field until he proves that he's better than the guy he's replacing.

And Gordon has not proven that missing training camp and missing September, he's a better player than Austin Ecculler. You need that practice. You're absolutely right. And there was a mandate right away. We're going to get him on there.

He's going to see playing time. In the three games he's back, they're 0 and 3. Not all his fault, but he's not helped. He has a combined less than 100 yards at less than 2.5 yards per carry over three games, all losses for the Chargers who are now, as Dan mentioned,

six to seven feet under the earth. You were enjoying the end of this game, Dan, because it was just... Dan predicted it basically. It was a slow-motion car crash that you couldn't believe what was happening. Yeah, it was before it, what preceded the Gordon Fumble

was two touchdown scores with the officials ruled touchdown and then they got called back on her view. It was so clunky. The end of the game, it took about 45 minutes to play the last minute of the game.

But, yeah, I think for me and some of my more higher moments of self-loathing around the Jets when things are going bad, I'll point out that nobody really knows how to lose and shock you with their dysfunction and failure, like the Jets, they're just really good at thinking up new ways. The Chargers fans and their fans, they get it as well because there's only one team that would figure out a way to blow that game, and it's the Chargers. Right, in regulation. At worst, you would have thought they could have kicked a field goal there,

although they're on the one-inch line with 45 seconds left. It's such a unique Chargers thing to fail that way, where they got in the end zone twice, got called back twice, and then you give it to the guy you definitely shouldn't give it to. You're basically daring the football gods to smite you, and they say, all right, if you want us to, we'll do it. And who's left holding the bed? Chargers fans who have been suffering for years and years and years.

One question, Greg, because this was the Ryan Tannahill experience beginning and there was an interesting report that he and his agent or his report essentially the information came from the agent that they handpicked the Titans. Ian's report that because the Titans felt like the team where the quarterback in place would either A, get hurt or B, lose the job due to performance, which is a weird thing for in the locker room I would imagine to come out, you know, in the middle of preparation for week seven. That's sports. Yeah, that is weird. I mean, sports, though.

It's smart. I know the agent wants to look smart and everything, but Ryan Tannahill played well today. He threw the ball really well. Delaney Walker made a quote, had a quote. They said, what's the difference between, you know, Tana Hill and Marriota? He said, well, he throws it harder and he gets rid of the ball faster. I was like, well, that.

Those are two good things. Now, in Tana Hill fashion, this was a good Tannahill game where he threw it really well, but he still had an interception and two fumbles. And he took a couple hits in the second half. And the interception came on a hit that was maybe not his fault. But this was actually a game where the offense has moved the ball quite well. There was only eight possessions each. It was just like a long, slow.

If you like long, slow possessions that end in misery, this is your game. You had the day I could have had, Greg. And I know Titans fans out there, some of you don't like me very much. But a lot of my frustration and doubt of that organization was always around Mariotta, who looks like he's out of the picture. So he's gone. Now you've got to get rid of the uniforms. That's a grisly look.

You've quickly latched on to the next bullet point of your own answer. It's not nearly as important as a quarterback, but I just think they need to reboot the, and the whole logo thing, clear it all out and start again. I feel like they're not out of it. Throughout the quarterback, throughout the uniform. Greg. You hate everything.

They brought the logo. They're three and four. I mean, this was a big, I know you guys don't think so, but I think it was a big game, especially looking at both teams' upcoming. schedule. Their first round pick came and played.

Jeffrey Simmons Throw it all out, Greg. Okay, Jeffrey Simmons was one of the stories of the day. He's returning from a torn ACL. That he suffered while preparing for the Combine. This was only in February. It insane, an insane comeback, and he was maybe their best defensive player. He had a sack.

He had two tackles for loss. He had a QB hit. And he's made, someone pointed out, he's made a bigger impact in terms of tackles for loss and QB hits than Quinn and Williams at Oliver. and I forget who the other first round defensive tackle is in one game. He had a really great game for them. I kind of believe in Mike Rabel.

I don't know. I'm not sure always why that is, but I kind of just... Mustache. Maybe on decent and special teams. I don't believe in anything this team has on offense. I like the look of AJ Brown. These teams look very even, though. Well, they could have lost, and they would be seven feet under the ground.

Between six and seven feet. That's the charges instead. As a child mark of the 70s, the mustache, which was there's nothing more paternal than the mustache in the 80s. It was the dad look. I think that's what you're connecting with. Someone that you could trust, he's got broad shoulders.

He's a guy, I'll protect you, I'll take you through the darkness. And I think that's what's hitting on. You're not totally wrong on some of that, but my dad never had a mustache. So I'm not interested in someone else's dad being paternal. A whole other can of worms.

But I generally grew up feeling the mustaches were a tad creepy. Cops had them. Vabo's like the dad you never had. I'm not sure that's it either. I'm not, we can keep trying or we can move on. I don't know. All right, let's move on. First down at the 20.

Josh takes a snap. Looks, fire straight down the middle of the spot. Touchdown. Touchdown buffalo. Smoke. John Brown. Touchdown bills. An excellent throw by Josh Allen.

John Brown running up the scene. He goes in motion and he runs up the scene, working on Ryan Lewis, beats him to the inside against man coverage. And Josh Allen knew exactly where he was going with the football. Delivered a strike to John Brown. John Murphy and Eric Wood of the Bills Radio Network. Smoke. John Brown's nickname.

I thought it was smoky. Well, a lot of people call him smoke. Okay, that's cool. That's fine with me. He's had a good role with that team, and he's having a nice season. He's having a true number one. And he wasn't the only star for the Bills. Tredavius White forced two second and a half turnovers.

Mika Hyde returned an onside kick for a touchdown. The Bills rally from a five-point deficit. 31-21 win over the Miami Dolphins who are still looking for their first win, but incremental progress, I feel like. Wes, White saved the bills from potential humiliation on Sunday. Yeah, he was the difference in the game. On a day, it's a second week in a row where you look at the Dolphins' offense and say, yeah, they're much better with Ryan Fitzpatrick.

As we've said, that could change in a week or two when he's throwing everything up for grabs. But he calls out the protections better. You can see that the offensive line plays better for him than they're. do it for Josh Rosen. Mark Walton looked really good running the ball. Preston Williams and Devante Parker. You can find worse wide receiver duos than those two. The Dolphins did not look inept, and they finished their touchdown drives, whereas the

bills were settling for field goals. And then Matt Hawk, the Dolphins punter, took a fade field goal up the gut and was tackled just shy of the goal line. It looked like the dolphins were going to get another score. They were already in the lead. They're going to put this maybe out of reach. and then Jordan Phillips Strip Sack Dolphins fall on the ball

and then Tredavius White next play diving interception Josh Allen gets the ball goes six for six on the drive touchdown to John Brown next series for the dolphins Tadavius White forces a fumble and then the game's basically over from there

Tadavius White saved them and for all we've knocked Josh Allen I think he's less predictably bad than guys like Trabisky where Mark you had that stat where it was like nine straight series or whatever. He couldn't get 10 yours. I think just when you think that you have a

handle on Josh Allen being a bad player, he does things like that 6 for 6 drive and he uses his legs and he'll throw a touch pass once in a while where you think if this guy can put it together, he really is a dynamic athlete. It seemed like he was always the quarterback where when he's doing

something in the positive column, it might be so incredibly athletically unbelievable that you have to have him on your team and that's why certain scouts... He's also The guy who can be throwing less than 50% completions in the first half against the 2019 Miami Dolphins, which when you start playing... He's also the guy who can be 10 for 11 for 11 yards and two touchdowns in the second half to win the game. You've told me all year that none of these games against the dolphins count basically or mean much.

And so that's a team that I would expect... You just wanted to get shots in at Joss Allen here? No, I'm just saying... With our podcast, there are three things in life that you can count on death taxes and Greg take in pot shots of Josh Allen. It's not pot shots. I'm just saying if we're going to be consistent, they...

Oh, you've been consistent. Like, they need to be better on offense against the Miami Dolphins. That's all. I don't think he's saying anything out of... I mean, Josh Allen absolutely is... I don't think you're saying anything wrong. I'm just amused by you're always the guy to jump in and say,

but actually, he's terrible. He hasn't played well at all this year. Well, I mean, I think if you're ranking... There's not spots where he's played well, but he has played well. Do you see growth from last year? No. I do.

Really. I think he's been one of the... the bottom six. I'm just saying in a league where there's so many good quarterbacks, he's one of the bottom five or six, and that hurts. That hurts your team. But you also never factor in his running ability, which for him is a big part of his game.

At five and one, not to also be a wet blanket here, it's been a pretty soft five and one start. I still need to see some, you know, marquee wins. Before you start saying, this a team that has the defense and makes enough plays on offense to shocks

people in January. Maybe you still need to see a little bit more from the bill. Well, don't you think that we always look at teams that jump out to starts like this in an orthodox defense or special teams first fashion with a sideways view because it's got to come from offense so we don't believe in it. We have after the Eagles next week, they play a slate of teams that don't have more than two wins, four more in a row, Redskins, Browns, Dolphins, and Broncos. Well, they'll be 11 and 5.

I have no problem with them being 11 and 5 or even maybe. 11 and 5, and then what happens from there when you have to... I think they have the pieces to play better on offense. I think Allen can be corralled. I think they can be better. But if he's a bottom six quarterback, you have to, even in this offseason, think about what you're doing a quarterback. And outside of Tredavius White, their defense was not that impressive today.

All right, let's finish out the rest of this Sunday slate. It just gets strived. I've got two receivers to either side and drop the road in the four-man. Russia's going to be a screen. And it is picked off by Unique In Gokwee to the 10 to the 5. Touchdown. Big six. Unique in Gokwe extends the lead for Jacksonville.

Can you hear the hammer? Counting on the nails. That's the nail and the colpin for the Cincinnati Bengals in this fall game. You're at six feet under. Frank Frangy. And I don't know if that was Jeff Loggeman, my boy Loggeman, or Tony Bisselli. but somebody is launching attacks. The Jaguars Radio Network, no Jalen Ramsey, no problem.

Unique and Gakway returned in interception, 23 yards to the house, clinching a 27-17 win for the Jags over the Bengals. Still looking for that first dub, West Side of Cincinnati, quiet again. Wes. They never stay that quiet. No chilly tonight. Mark. It feels like a 70s rock song.

No chilly tonight. Mark, it was part of a huge defense of showing for the Jags who stuck Andy Dalton on a stick and made him their ginger-haired scarecrow forever. Wow. Yeah, I don't know how to follow that up. Put that in your power. I appreciate that because you've come up with something, a new way to describe the Andy Dalton experience. And I, anyone who watched the end of this game, you are dealing with a quarterback that

through three interceptions over the course of five attempts in three possessions that utterly buried Cincinnati's chance to take a game where they were very much in a manageable situation to win against a Jaguars offense that put together drives of 9, 11, 9, and 12 plays, move the ball but could not score field goal after field goal. They finally did punch it in and that separated them from Cincinnati, but the Bengals had a chance. And I get it. Look at Andy Dalton is, you know, working with an offense where Alex Erickson had to catch eight passes today to be the leading receiver. And they cannot get anything going on the ground. Their running game, and it has to do with their offensive line.

I got a step for you. Hit me. This is one of the most amazing statual here in a first half of the season. To this point, the Bengals have rushed for 372 yards. Their opponents have rushed for 1,323 yards. They are outgained by nearly 1,000 yards, seven weeks into the season. They're on pace for the worst rushing team in the Super Bowl era before this game. And they gave up 2.16 today.

Wow. And so that's been the thing week after week is their line on both sides are totally dominated. So you can't just look at Andy Dalton. I mean, their running backs ran for, called runs with zero yards. That's hard to do.

16 runs for zero yards. Joe Mixing, 10 rushes for two yards. We figured out Andy Dalton years ago. He rises and falls based on what he has around him, and now he's never had anything worse around him than he has now. Now he's worse than he ever was. He needs a fresh start. In Chicago.

He needs to go somewhere where he would have a chance to get his career back on track because both sides need a refresh here. Third round pick for Andy Dalton at the trading deadline. Who says no? Just do it, Barry. Oh, I love that. Let's do it, Bears. I love that.

That would be interesting. I would do that in a second. The problem with Zach Taylor and the Bengals is, I don't know, I know they're trying to run a certain type of offense that he's familiar with. You can't have Andy Dalton throwing the ball 43 times in this, with what he has around him. When you're running back to go, 14 for zero. I get that, but the whole thing is so broken down. It's a disaster.

The Jaguars were no treat either, but they saved their season because how they lost this? Your boy, minchew. They move the ball. Again, they just couldn't, they struggle and they've done this all year long, closing drives because they get into the red zone and it falls apart, but he still throws the ball aggressively. Gardner Minshu

also is, you know, he's not Josh Allen, but he had a couple key scrambles today that kept drives live. Every game he's going to give you that, and he did not throw an interception, and for me, it's like, this is a guy that you can ride with. He ran for 46 more yards than the Bengals

running backs combined. I got it. All right, let's close out the pre-Sunday night football. Slate. Now the Cardinals have it first in 10 at the Giant 22. Handoff Edmonds. He breaks up. Is he going to do it again? Yes, he is. Touchdown. Chase Edmonds has three touchdown runs. 20, and now 22. This game was supposed to be about the return of Sequin Barclay. Instead, their star running back was Cardinals backup, Chase Edmonds, who rushed for a career high, 126 yards. A career high.

Three touchdowns, 27, 21 win over the G-Men at the Meadowlands. Greg, Cardinal Sack Daniel Jones, eight times, too. Maybe they're not terrible, or maybe the Giants are. I mean, they're not terrible. The little Cardinals are wondering, well, what are we got to do, Dan, to move up in the rundown? We've won three straight. We haven't lost in all of October. We've got Chase Edmonds of 5-9 running back out of Fordham University,

outshining Saquan Barkley. I mean, Chase Edmonds has been awesome. and beat the Saints next week. Right. The three teams they've beaten could not be worse. I think they've won a combined three games. So I get it. But they only won three games all of last season.

And the running game that Cleef Kingsbury has brought to Arizona travels. Because you didn't have David Johnson today. They started him. He had one carry and then he didn't play again. Wow. And Edmonds carried them along with the defense led by Chandler Jones, who had four sacks all by himself. They know.

Daniel Jones sacked eight times. Daniel Jones fumbled three times, had an interception. He has now thrown seven picks and has five fumbles in his five starts. And it's disappointing because this was the game you're kind of waiting for where you had Ingram and Barclay and Tate all on the field together. Ingram had a disastrous game. Barkley was fine. And the Giants' offense was really kind of the lagging group of this game.

In a rainstorm. Yeah, I get it. Giants' offensive line has not been a total hot mess this season. The last couple of weeks, the communication in recognizing where the pressure is coming from, and that happened so many times today. That's on the quarterback. You could see that Arizona was like, we're just going to keep sending stunts, and we're going to keep sending blitzes and doing all sorts of different things.

And by the end, it was just a feeding frenzy. And Chandler Jones especially, you know, punched his ProBaltic. And when you get those four-sack games, it looks nice. Was he going against Nate's older? He was on both sides. I believe. I believe Remmers and Nate Solder both had their share of struggles. I mean, Kyler Murray had 104 yards this game.

I thought this would be like a high-scoring game where both quarterbacks did a lot. Not so much. You know what I heard. Three-three-in-one, though. They're 500. That's- well, they're interesting. That's good times.

You know what I heard, Greg? Yeah. I heard the biggest star of this game was actually upstairs in the booth. Greg Olson on the buy. Oh, yeah. An absolute masterclass. One of those, remember early Romo when people were like, wait a second, we might have something special here. We got a situation here.

I mean, I'm sure Boogger's not sleeping tonight because Greg Olson is right near the end of it's been an excellent career. And people are talking. The streets are talking about Greg Olson and the booth. He was awesome to the point where I was just like, who is this new announcer? I like this guy. like he's making a lot of smart points like I've never heard this voice and I checked and it's Greg Olson

and yeah he was a joy to listen to throughout analyze the game very calmly for a tight end you can really see like the game from the quarterback position just like breaking things down and teaching you how about this for a quote Greg I know you love this stuff I do that's what I'm directing it you

Kenny Albert was his partner I like Kenny it was a good duo here's what Kenny had to say according to the athletic I don't think I've ever gotten that many texts or tweets during the game about an analyst that I was working with, and it was 99% positive. Wait a minute, what was the one percent of it? Well, you never can please everybody.

We heard him in the playoffs last year. Might have been the analyst he was with last week. We heard him in the playoffs last year, and I thought in his first ever game announcing, he's already second best behind Roma. It's kind of nice to still, like, you're in a job. And he's just drop it in during the by week. That's kind of wild, too.

Right. That's breaking boundaries. You're like in a job, and then you already know that the minute that you decide to leave the job that's paying you millions and millions of dollars, that you'll just roll in as a class favorite. I'm ready to put out the sandwich right now that he's in the booth at Monday Night Football, the season after he retires, whether it's 20. Oh, I'm with you on that. You're not taking me up on it? No, I agree with you. You want to take me up on it right now?

I mean, there are human beings involved in that process. Oh, what a guy you are. What a class act you are, Mark. I'm just waiting to when I can watch it again. It was very disarming to have a guy in the booth. I don't feel comfortable. And then at the end of the game... It just feels like an aggressive wager for our show.

It does feel a little aggressive. Feels a little aggressive. I know what's really going on here. We'll talk off air. Or not. We will never talk again, Dan. You keep sipping your tea. This is the end of our relationship.

All right. Let's move on. Tavon Alston in motion coming to the left. And they will pitch it right. Austin. He's got a first down, 15, touch at the 10, running to the five, to the pilot, touchdown. Tavon. Austin. Stopped the presses. The Cowboys have scored a first quarter touchdown. The Sham God. Brad Sham. The Sham God with the call, Cowboys Radio KRLD. When Tavon Austin is starting action with a touchdown, you know your offense is going to have a good day. and that's what happened for the Dallas Cowboys. In fact, everyone on the Cowboys had a good day

and a 37 to 10 win over the Eagles, a win that snaps the Cowboys losing streak at three and sends the Eagles deep, deeper into their existential funk. And if you're Jason Garrett, Greg, who after a week, you know, this happens almost every year for going on a decade. there will be weeks during the season where people will be pointing at Jason Garrett

and saying, that man's the problem. Get him out of the building. They need a better head coach. And perhaps they do, Greg. I think you're one of those people that believe that. And that's okay. But this was, as Chris Collinsworth put it well,

at the end of the game. The pressure relief valve has been hit. Absolutely. Especially going into the bye week, to get Randall Cobb and Amari Cooper and the best tackle tandem I'm in the league in Laosol Collins and Tyrone Smith back. You're going to look better.

I think their offense hasn't been the problem the whole time. We talked going into the show. It's been the defense. Can Layton Vandrish and Jalen Smith and to Marcus Lawrence, can they start making some plays? That's exactly what they did in the first half of this game. They gave their team a few extra possessions by winning the turnover battle. Three to nothing.

The Cowboys did have a couple injuries with Robert Quinn and Vandreash in terms of the second half. But by then the game was over. It is pretty impressive to see the Cowboys win that convincingly, and yet somehow it's not totally shocking the way that the Eagles have been playing, especially the last two weeks. Yeah, the Cowboys didn't implode in the Red Zone this time. They've been moving the ball up and down the field pretty consistently. They just haven't been scoring consistently, and today everything just clicked.

Yeah, I look at the Eagles, and I thought before the season started, I pointed to them as the team in the NFC, that I just believed in the most from top to bottom, front office, coaching staff, rostered. I knew they're not perfect, but you thought this is the team that I thought would be there at the end. Watching them tonight, last week it was the secondary tonight. It was the defense again. I watched their offense, too, and just say, identity-free. I don't know what this offense is about. Greg, I think you kind of mentioned there was sort of this sort of bad energy around the whole Eagles operation tonight. And it's just, I go into week eight.

wondering what this Eagles team is right now? I think about the late Tony Spirano and his famous bury the ball. You bury the ball, you bury the past. This is very close to, not very close. This is a bury the ball game for the Eagles. But you know what the problem with the Barry the ball game

is it can't happen on the same week that your head coach tells the media and I know he would try to walk this back. We're going to go to Dallas and we're going to win. And then you don't show up. It doesn't mean the Eagles are done. But to Mark's point, they have been one of the biggest disappointments in the entire league, I believe, through seven weeks.

And they still have time West to get back on track. And you know what? I'd be surprised if they don't. But at the same time, it's been bad and it's been rough. And they were not competitive tonight. That is not a good sign. Not a good look. Well, we give the Eagles a lot of credit.

I think we have confidence in their general manager, the coaching staff, that it's a strong roster. And then you can't, if you believe that, then one 32-year-old wide receipts. who's a deep threat, shouldn't throw off everything just because he's out of the lineup. Right. No. Deshaun Jackson being gone has hurt them. And they've been prone to some stinkers. Look, they got blown out by the Saints last year much later in the season, the middle of November, and they bounce back from that. They lost by 40 points. But it's strange to see them in two straight weeks on the road against other playoff type contenders. And I think we're clearly the inferior team in both games. I don't think they were that close to the Vikings.

the final score was appropriate. And when you look at these two teams, they're both very tough to get a handle on. But what's been consistent? I think the Cowboys' offense has been consistent, especially when they're healthy. And what's also been consistent is the Eagles defense being lame. I mean, they've been a pretty bad defense throughout,

and their offense works really hard for everything. I mean, Wentz, for the most part of this season, we like what he's done. But they're just- Have they had a running game outside of the Green Bay? No. I mean, they get some plays in the receiving game from Sanders, but they seem to be working so hard, whereas in the past, I feel like Peterson

and, like, things just came much easier. Wentz missed a couple big-time throws tonight where he had open receivers, so it's not all, it's not just one thing. This was your game where the field is 110 yards going uphill both ways vibe for the Eagles. I mean, the cowboy, what a great, what a great night. I mean, Jason Witton, the montage of Jason Witten doing fist pumps. Do we have that for the video show? We do.

I mean, it was a beautiful. thing. NBC put together a montage of Jason Witten doing like dad fistpumps from he just won the second set tie break in the men's over 45 championship at the old tennis club. He basically is just farting on Monday night football right there. He's that he's saying I'm going to do what I want to do kid rock concert and they just went into ball with a bar like he's like oh yeah this is my college jam. Some great Witton fist pump analysis I enjoyed that You know who wasn't doing all those things we just mentioned? Bar with the bar to banged it.

Go ahead. Mark or Wes, who locked up the Cowboys, baby. Nice job. And Mark, you really saved your buddy here. Oh, yeah, he did. Got out of the Falcons lock, which was, you know, God forsaken. Poorly conceived. And now you're on the board.

And I said it on Thursday show. Internationally, this story is picking up steam. You're going to be all over the papers if you would lock the paper. What are papers? It was going to be grim. So good job with that. In fact. West was being boycotted in China.

So it's, you know, you're big in China. You're back on the, you're back. You're good in China. Actually, I have a comment to make about what's going on in Hong Kong right now, but I will save it for the end of the show. Greg also locked up. The Packers. The Packers.

We went four and O. Hey now. So how about that? All season. So we don't mention locks at all for. all those weeks we were terrible but now that we went four and oh you're damn right like we're we're almost like two weeks away of from doing that again of getting to 500 let's honk about it hey listen it's been a rough ride so far always forward never back what i can see that you guys can't see is

erika's face right now she wants us all taken out by wild animals before in the next minute or two all right that's it good job by the cowboys bad bad job by the eagles and yet you do feel like the next time they play, the game will mean something. Just the way this division works, typically. Cowboys got, Ego's got to figure it out, though. NFC is pretty deep. It's going to be a little trickier to slide into one of those wild card spots. Week 16, they'll meet again, but in Philadelphia.

We'll see if that game has huge ramifications for both teams. All right. We'll be back on Tuesday, where we will recap the Monday Night Football. Classic between the Jets and the Patriots. and then do a bunch of other fun stuff. Might be a classic. I hope it is. I feel like it would be good for the Jets if it was a classic.

Because could it be a classic of the Patriots win? Probably not. No. But if it's being called, if it's being hailed as a classic. I mean, if it was a great game that the Patriots won at the very end, it could be a classic.

No, not a class. If they won 100, I'm not, if they won 100 nothing and it like changed football history, still not a classic. If Sam Zarno, it would be a lanar. It would be a lay-and-row. But Tom Brady throws for seven.

including a 48-yarder at the buzzer. That's got to be a classic, no matter who. I take that as a Jets fan. So give me that. Ricky tried to end this show 67 seconds ago. Let's go. I'm fine, you guys. I'm loving it.

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