NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2020 Week 10 Recap

Episode Date: November 16, 2020

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap every game from week 10 starting with the crazy ending in Arizona (2:19). The Dolphins pulled one out over the Chargers (19:10) and the Bucs steam rolled over the Panthers (25:56). Nick Shook joins to recap the Packers and the undefeated Steelers (1:05:15). The Pats pull off a big win against the Ravens (1:18:09).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Doesn't use trank darts on tigers. Well, not always the only one we need to. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.

What's up, boys? Well, it's a high one. The NFL world is buzzing after that big ending today. We have to use those darts sometimes. Yeah. Animals have rights, but they have limited rights. There are times when animal rights should not interfere with your actions. It always makes me a little bit uncomfortable when Greg gets close on the mic.

Whatever it is, the inflection in his voice, I don't know, a little creepy. That's all. You guys keep you on your toes. You do. You do. And that's why we love you, Greg. It's the flagship show. Week 11. How about that?

Played all the games today. Didn't even get shut down by one pandemic incident. So we're flying. What is week 10? We don't want to get too scary. Week 10, baby. Week 10. That was a flash forward to where we'll be next Sunday at this time.

Yes, a lot of great action to get to. And as Greg alluded to there with the close talking on the mic, the ending of the year, I believe. Maybe to this point, absolutely. but I'm going to go ahead and say that will not be beat. Now, surprise me, go out there, our league, and surprise me, top it. But I don't know if it gets topped what happened in the desert in Glendale. I mean, well, what's going on with Hail Mary is in that stadium in Arizona?

It's crazy. No, I thought that Josh, I know we're going to probably get to it a second, but it's like that Josh Allen throw, I thought was the throw of the week. I know. And all right, yes. Listen, obviously we're so excited. To talk about, I can't wait to talk about that Browns game too, Mark. You hang in there.

That's coming a little later in the show. No more barn. It's been burned to the ground in Cleveland. What an affair that was. But yes, before we get to another Cleveland Brown's victory, let's start with the aforementioned. That's two aforementioned games of the year. Game of the year.

Let's go. Clean it up. 25 yards downfield. Murray back to throw, flushed out, rolling left in trouble, slips a tackle, Got to launch it. He does. Left side. Into the end zone, jump ball, and it is. Is it caught? Is it caught? Oh, my goodness, it's caught. DeAndre Hopkins caught it. He caught it for a touchdown with one second left. I can't believe it. You've got to be joking me. Hopkins reaches up with three defenders around him and pulls it in, and the Cardinals lead it. 32 to 30 with a second left. You can't cover Duke. Dave Pash, and of course that was the Wolfman, Ron Wolfie, for K-T-A-R. You know, you got to hand it to him. Those are real broadcasters.

If I was calling that game, and if it was my team, because I'm sure they're rooting for the Cardinals. So let's say, if I'm rooting for the Jets and that would happen, I would be like, holy fucking shit, can you believe what just happened? He fucking caught the motherfucking ball! Well, that's why you're doing this job. So credit to them for holding it all together. The Hail Murray, that's what we're calling it. That's what I'm calling it, copyright Mike Tarrico.

Kyler Murray to DeAndre Hopkins. We thank you for your service, Bill O'Brien. Kyler Murray was flushed out of the pocket, rolled to the sideline, unfurled the perfect ball, 50 yards downfield, and then Nuke showed why he's one of the best. Grabbing that ball away from three bills defenders, game winning score, final score, Cardinals 32, Bill's 30. unbelievable and you rewatch the play and then we all did we watched the replays it seemed like the

bills did almost everything right i saw dungy and chris sims on the nbc pregame show getting on buffalo's defense a little bit for playing too much coverage underneath when they should have been focused more on the back end but at the end of the day they almost got murray for a sack came that close flushed him all the way out of the pocket until he was falling out of bounds heaving the ball up in the air and then had two he had hop they had hopkins racketed in coverage with the third guy flying in and it still didn't matter because the best players won the damn game it it's ridiculous because the the catch is you know one of the great catches we've ever seen and you feel bad uh for trenavius white you know in all pro you feel bad for jordan jordan poyer uh who i think

this year is a pro bowler because those guys are posterized i mean they people aren't kind of blame them for that loss, but they have, they're men, they have pride. And those pictures of just Hopkins reaching above the three bills defenders is unreal. But on top of one of the great catches we've ever seen, Murray's play was unreal. He not only did a little hesitation, as he's scrambling to his left as a right-handed quarterback, kind of does the little pause that makes, I think it was Jerry Hughes, dive at him, but could be wrong there, to evade the sack before throwing it while sprinting to his right, like, and then putting it in the exact right spot. Obviously, you get a little bit of luck there that you have someone as good

as DeAndre Hopkins, but there's nothing lucky about the ability to be able to throw on the run like that all the way to the end zone. I mean, it's almost very, very, very few people. Maybe only the guy I mentioned before Aaron Rogers could make a throw like that. I think it's like an incredible intersection between two teams that see each other once every four years. They were so different four years ago and they'll be so different when they meet again. Two teams that have aggressively built around their quarterbacks because the story of the game was almost Stefan Diggs, the free agent acquisition of Buffalo, making what would have been a game-winning catch. Instead, it becomes New Hopkins, you know, the biggest trade of the off season.

And paying off for these teams, they've built. around these two young quarterbacks in such an effective way. I mean, and the idea to go get Kyler Murray when most people thought that that was an insane idea because you had Josh Rosen on the roster. So these are aggressive front offices. It is paying off right now. And Kyler Murray is just simply a complete pleasure to the eyes. Watching him play and change the quarterback position, you know, right before our eyes,

the quarterback position is completely changing. And, you know, it's good timing because on Thursday, I didn't get much. back from you guys on it so maybe I was reading it wrong but I've kind of gotten the vibe this year that despite Murray taking the leap it's almost like everyone assumed he was going to do it

going into the season so when he did do it there wasn't as much of a hullabaloo around it whereas Lamar Jackson's leap last year there was a little more like hmm is this guy going to actually be that guy and then what he was it just built into the mania around his second season but I think

you also saw what the two the two touchdown runs by Murray, this pass, that we are watching someone that should absolutely be in the MVP conversation. And I think he moves ahead of Russell Wilson after today. And he is an absolute transcendent talent that you don't see every decade. And we have Patrick Mahomes and Kyler Murray both in this league. I don't think that we've seen two guys enter the league within a few years of each other that are this special really ever.

And on the Bill's side, you know, Stefan Diggs was a trade also. And they gave up a first rounder to get Diggs. And Isaiah McKenzie, the bill's receiver, you could pick it up on the parabolic mics. When he went to celebrate with Diggs, he was saying, that's why you're here. That's why you're here to win games. And he nearly with Josh Allen, because Alan deserves credits, it was a great throw, saved the bills from what would have been, well, it was a loss either way. but they were flaming out in the second half with tons of penalties and miscues and just not sharp at all.

And it just looked like the Cardinals were going to basically walk to a win because the bills fell apart in the second half. So the fact that they were able to dig out of that, get out of that funk, make an incredible play and then somehow still lose. Now they got the Dolphins right behind him in the AFC East and you have some scar tissue because this is about as bad as a loss gets in the regular season. I mean, Dolphins bills play each other week 17. I wouldn't be surprised if that's for the division or if Miami potentially isn't even a game ahead at that point and you're right, it was a trade for digs. But think of how many Bill's teams of old

would have gone and gotten digs and you'd be in a dark timeline where none of it's working out. So I still give them a ton of credit for that. But I look at the Cardinals and say they can beat any team in the NFL, they can beat any team in the NFC. I would not want to draw them in the playoffs at all if they're on their game.

Well, they're box office. I mean, think of these games they're putting up for. That Seahawks game was bananas. Last week against the Dolphins, which they lost, was insane. And then this one. I don't really trust their defense. It's why I thought they were going to lose this game. They did make a couple plays.

You can talk more about it, Dan, just you watch closer. They did force some turnovers by Josh Allen. I don't necessarily trust him. I wouldn't put Kyler Murray head of Russ quite yet. I mean, the first month, it still matters. He was struggling passing the ball. But I don't think it's an exaggeration to say there's a solid chance Lamar and Kyler Murray are the two greatest runners that have ever played quarterback now. And the position is changing.

It was really well said, Mark. And maybe there's going to be more and more quarterbacks like this. Maybe they won't. But he is going to take a chance at breaking Lamar's rushing record from a year ago. And just the way he can make people miss is outrageous. And he's got more talent in terms of his arm, the Lamar Jackson has. He hasn't been, I wouldn't say consistent throwing this year, but he's been good enough. and the offense is perfect for him. And one final shout-out. I mean, I don't want to understate that throw. That throw by Josh Allen was one of the best throws I've seen any quarterback made all the year.

He threw it from the opposite hash at the 30. It's a no hold. That's one of the very few arms in the history of the NFL are even strong enough to make that throw. That was a ridiculous throw. Before we move on and listen, Bill's Mafia, if you must, skip ahead. About 30 seconds, but I do want to hear the call from John Murphy of WGR. Hit it, Ricky. Pressured.

Bill's rush four. Murray's in trouble. Gets away from it. Rolls to his left. Fires it downfield, puts it up for grabs, and it is caught. Caught for a touchdown. Unbelievable. Caught by DeAndre Hopkins, surrounded by a couple of Bill's defenders.

He went up and brought it down. Unbelievable. Incredible. One second left down the clock. Yeah, Bill's lose. Very professional by John Murphy. Yeah. And the real hero of the call was Steve Tasker, who added Bill's Lose.

Let's move on. Robert Woods in motion at the snap. They run it right side. Malcolm Brown. What a hole. He charges into the end zone with a touchdown. Heard of the line of scrimmage and found the paints. Hang in there, Bill's Mafia.

Still, first place. J.B. Long. our buddy, KSPN with the call. The Rams delivered a, wait for it, Gregi. Statement win on Sunday at Hollywood Park, shutting down the powerful Seahawks offense and getting two rushing scores from Malcolm Brown, 2316 win.

Greg, the Rams have been a tough team to size up to this point. What did you learn about them today? That their cornerbacks right now, Darius Williams and Jalen Ramsey make a bigger difference in a offense first league than any pair of cornerbacks. in the league. Darius Williams is a guy who picked off Russell Wilson twice today. One of them in the fourth quarter to me was the key play of the game and was just an incredible read and an incredible play. And he's made many of them. I would have him as a pro bowler.

I would say they've got two pro bowlers right now. And this is a guy they picked up up the scrap heap for Baltimore. He's a third year player. But he's been incredible all year. And then you have Jalen Ramsey on the other side. They're leaving him single coverage against D.K. Metcalfe the whole game. And Troy Aikman is. is losing his mind that Russell Wilson will not throw it to Metcalf, will not trust his guy one-on-one to Ramsey. That's the kind of talent. That's the kind of respect that Ramsey engenders,

and he is playing like an all-pro cornerback right now. So Russell Wilson was scrambled. We can get into that, but I think a really good running game. I'm glad we highlighted that, you know, to begin with from the Rams. They got Jared Goff in good situations. And a really good defense right now has them as the most complete team in the NFC. West. It's a three-way time.

I don't know if they're the best team. They're certainly the most boring team of the top three, but they're the most complete team. Well, I mean, boring can be okay. I'm with you that they don't capture the imagination necessarily, and they don't look like the most complete team in that division to me at times, except that there are fatal flaws with Seattle's defense. Like, where's the weakness, I guess?

When I watched them get taken completely apart by the dolphins, it just left me with a lot of questions about the traditional. of this Rams team. They had 450 yards in that game against the dollar. I understand, but it was more about how they put golf into a really tough situation that he wasn't unable to get out of in that game, the way they pressured him. But to start fast with a field goal and two touchdowns today. And, you know, I always thought that the Ramsey trade was rich in terms of its cost.

But if you have one of the few players that can do what he did today to D.K. Metcalfe. And, you know, Steve Weiss talked to him after the game. And Ramsey was just like, I wanted to tell everyone about this game plan and what we were going to do. but he had to keep a lid on it. But it reminds me of when the Niners had, when the Seahawks had Richard Sherman back in the day, and he just erased wide receivers against San Francisco and teams out west.

I'm not going to, this is absolutely going to sound like if you're a Seahawks fan, sour grapes from me. But I'm just keeping it real here. This was an interesting matchup with the defenses because Jalen Ramsey acquired for two first round picks, Jamal Adams acquired for two first-round picks. Jalen Ramsey, because he's a cornerback,

erases D.K. Metcalf. Now, that is the type of talent and the type of game-changing type player that is worth giving up two first-round picks. I wonder if Seattle could do it again, if they would still surrender those picks to the Jets for Jamal Adams. And, Greg, you had your eyes on this game. I know that Adams had what looked like an up-and-down day,

made some plays near the line of scrimmage, but also struggled on a one running score by the C, by the Rams. But I just thought, I think that's notable that this is a game that featured these two guys that were involved with Blockbuster trades and involving two ones. That's a fair point, because there's no question, Ramsey's more valuable. You know, if you're comparing, and it was similar what they gave up. Adams had two sacks in this game. He hurt his shoulder.

I think that's why he pulled up a little bit, which is, you know, you do not want that. talked about that a little bit after the game. Their defense played fine, though. I mean, the game ended with the Rams punting three times in the second half and turning the ball over. There was every chance for the Seahawks to come back in this game. They only gave up

23 points. I mean, it might have been their best game of the entire season, the Seahawks defense, certainly was in terms of points allowed. Russ Wilson had by far his worst game. I mean, I know he's had that this is now three out of four games that he's had three turnovers or more. One of them wasn't.

on him. It was a bad snap today that they charged the quarterback. I don't like it, by the way. You should give that to the, give it to the center. You throw a ground ball into your quarterback's ankle and the quarterback gets a pommel. That's beside the point because Russell Wilson's first interception was got awful. He could have run for a first down, maybe a

touchdown, and he makes a crazy decision. And it was part of what I think was the most memorable part of this game, which was he was foggy mentally the whole time. I can't remember him having such a bad game. six they took six sacks 12 quarterback hits a lot of those were on russell wilson was not getting rid of the ball maybe it was what the rams were doing defensively had him scrambled um but he was kind of seeing ghosts he like there was four or five times where the blitz was coming and he kind

of turtled and just like waited for it to get there and had his eyes down and at the end of the game he's taking delay of games and they're barely moving the ball when they have to hurry up and it was like if i didn't know any better i was worried, like, you wasn't all there or something, because it was just so, so different than the Russell Wilson, you're used to see. I find it interesting, though, that you mentioned that you thought he was still hanging around atop the MVP race, because I feel like the last two weeks, this is such a narrative-driven award that he's melted away in that context.

Also, beyond narrative-driven, just results. And these are the two-impact games in the division where four turnover's last week and then what you're saying just now for this summer. Well, I like, I do try to think that the MVP race really gets go. going around now, around Thanksgiving. And right now, his bad month, or three weeks or whatever it's been, hurts him badly. But I think he's in it because he was so good the rest of it. And, you know, there's, you know, I wed put Rogers and Mahomes ahead of him right now.

But I don't think he's out of it. People overreact, I think, to one week or two. If he goes off for the next month like he did in the first month, I don't think people are going to be saying, well, it's over. It's too late. It's too late. The season does not start until Thanksgiving. I do want to mention one last thing in this game, which could crush the Rams.

Andrew Whitworth left, which with an injury that looked like it was a season ender. I mean, we'll find out. But just by the replays, it was pretty brutal there. And that's a killer. He's the left tackle, having an all pro type of season. Big difference between this year's team and last year's team besides Todd Gurley, is that the offensive line has been healthy and better this year

and take away the left tackle. Look out. Thanks, given. Back after this. He brought one back for a touchdown this year. Brought it. It's on the ground. And the dolphins are going to have

with football deep inside that territory. Andrew Van Ginkle blocked it. Took it right off the fourth. It was a problem with a snap. Wow, that timed up perfect. Jimmy Cephalo, WQAM with the call. Every week the Dolphid seemed to get a game-turning play from their defense of special teams that happened again.

Miami's block punts set up a short touchdown and two, a Tunga by Loa, one for the third straight time as a starter with another efficient performance in a 29 to 21 win. Mark, that's five in a row for the Dolphins who have some serious mojo right now. Yeah. And I picked that highlight of the turnover there. It was a blocked punt that set up a Dolphins touchdown for exactly what you mentioned, that I think this is just such a well-coached team. And when we talked on our preview show that you could see a mirror reflection at times between Brian Flores and Bill Belichick, I think it comes down to really detailed the details. The special teams have made an impact every week. And, you know, every team focuses on that, but there are squads that flowed through the year where it doesn't appear that they lean on special teams to make game-changing plays. And this one, it did. That's set up a touchdown.

I think the dolphins were held today by Salman Ahmed, their running back, undrafted guy. They've had issues in the backfield. Injuries, just not a real lead actor there. He came in and played really well. And I thought that he, you know, for an undrafted back, he gave him some foundation. They've wanted to give Tua a ground game. It helped a little bit today. I'll tell you something else on the special teams.

Like on the next drive where Miami was essentially... Miami. They were charging down the field. And they were set up. They were up 7-0 after that initial turnover that set up the touchdown. They're just going to go for the field goal. And the chargers are sort of the opposite to me of the dolphins, where I see a lot of questionable coaching,

a little bit lack of discipline. They had a key off-sides on a fourth-down field goal attempt by Miami. It set up first down for Miami, and Miami scored again. It was 14-0. And then, Greg, to your point, the one mistake on Miami's part that kept this thing closer, then I think it would have been otherwise. I think the doors were about to come off. A center snap to Tua that was botched.

It was not Tua's fault at all, but it kind of bobbed out from away from two, about eight yards back, and the charges returned it deep and made it 14-7. keeping it close, but this Dolphins defense erased Keenan Allen until basically a final touchdown on, you know, not garbage time, but with the game out of hand. You remove Keenan Allen from this offense. Justin Herbert, I think, was made uncomfortable, which links me back to what happened with Jared Goff when he faced the dolphins. They find a way to put quarterbacks into tough spots.

Happen again today. This is a really well-coached team. You know, I was looking at the playoff seedings and all that stuff. The dolphins were a, you know, a figment a few weeks ago. sit right in that in not in the hunt but they're in that wild card race having shoved the browns and others out of the picture so i would take this team very seriously i think bills fans should be you know looking around over their shoulders this team is coming at them how about two a fcee's team's going to make the playoffs i believe and uh the patriots aren't going to be one of them

what a change right they're like the special teams it's funny how you can go into this game thinking this is the biggest mismatch you'll see all season in special teams and then and then it happens. I mean, the chargers are the worst special teams in the league year after year, and the dolphins are getting it done pretty much every week. The fact that they're winning game, they've won two games with Tua where they didn't even, you know, gain over 300 yards. That's pretty special. Like Herbert, like, I would say, just looking at it, seems like it was the worst day of his career and they're not helping him out by trying to turn this into the Kalin-Belage revenge game and running it on early downs like Anthony Lynn likes to do. Well, they miss

Austin Neckler. I really think that it will help to have him back on, you know, both quarterbacks. made some awesome throws in this. It just wasn't enough. And the game flow went out of the way for the Chargers. Tua, I mean, I just think he has, it was not his best game and the numbers don't look great. He just moves really well outside of the pocket. It's kind of crazy to think that he's only played a couple games. He seems to process really well. And he puts a couple of these balls just totally on the money. I mean, he's not scared to throw in a tight windows. He had a toss today to Adam Sheehan, who, you know, wonderful catch. But the throw was just an absolute dart.

And I think Dolphins fans should feel incredible hope for the first time in a while. There was a throw early in the game where Tua was flushed out of the pocket and on the run dropped one over the linebackers and just out of the reach of the coverage men in the secondary to Mike Jaseki that looked just like Steve Young. And that was the whole thing around Tua entering right as he was getting Trevor Lawrence level hype in college is when he busted up his hip. But that's what they say. He's potentially like a historically accurate dart thrower and a guy that just can play efficient week after week. And that's what he's looked like. Herbert threw just for 187 yards on 20 of 32 passing. And we mentioned Anthony Lynn.

two and seven the Chargers and the season obviously is slipping away. This was a fork game for the Chargers. They really kind of needed this to find a way to just be on the periphery of the wild card race. So you wonder if this is a team that is headed toward playing out the string status, even with someone as fun as Justin Herbert to watch. I saw something in the athletic this week. They really thought 2021 was going to be the key year for Lynn and that he had pretty good job security. You know, seven games is a long time, and things could change. I think it depends on how Herbert's playing. Because I would be cautious about changing coaches and the system if Herbert is playing lights out down the stretch.

We got seven games. That's a long way to go, though. So it could go bad or good. Yeah. All right. Let's move up. In motion, Chris Godwin. Brady, hard count, hands the ball off.

Rojo pops at free. Across the Fed's head to the 50, 20, Rojo under the 30, Rojo to the 50, Rojo to the 50, Rojo to the 40 Road Jones to the 30 High 7 of the 20 It'll be a 98-yard touchdown run by Ronald Jones the second touchdown Tampa Bay

Wow That's why they pay Dave Moore to be the color guy in that booth Gene Duckeroff WFUS with the call Ronald Jones got some great blocking up front and then he did the rest

setting a franchise record with that 98-yard touchdown run as the box ran away from the panthers final score 4623 you know despite breathless reporting uh over the weekend on tarmac issues involving the team playing and then you know some you know borderline lazy analysis early in the game oh Tampa bay really you know it all goes back to the tarmac and they're often slow start oh geez the you know between the media and the guys in the booth They are obsessed with planes being stuck on tarmac.

Just gone down. Let the game play out. Because the Bucks absolutely assassinated the Panthers in this game on defense. They rolled up over 500 yards of offense. And Greg, they put last week's embarrassment against the Saints behind them. They did. It was such a great response by their offense specifically because Ronald Jones fumbles the ball on the second play from scrimmage for the Buc's offense.

And, you know, the Panthers take an early lead. and the Panthers often scored their first three times they had the ball. But the Bucks, after that Rojo fumble, did not punt again the rest of the game. They scored every single possession the rest of the game. Nine straight. And I think if you're a Bucks fan, you want to see the offense carry the team. Now, it was against the Panthers defense. It struggled to stop basically anyone.

But 544 yards to 187 yards. And they had that little stretch in the third. quarter and we've seen this from the bucks. It kind of reminds me of the Ravens a year ago, but in a different way where they could just mollywap a team for about 15 minutes and then it's suddenly over because they just have so many talented players. They put up all these points in such a dominant game in a game where I think you could say that Brady was up and down.

But he had his playmakers, including Antonio Brown, including Chris Godwood, including Mike Evans, including grunk, all make sensational plays for him. and so if they're going to carry him and then the defense finally started making plays and forcing turnovers in the second half then they're dangerous. This doesn't show me they're going to go win the Super Bowl

but it was important considering the last two weeks that they had had. I think it quieted another narrative which I found annoying that when you add a player like Antonio Brown I don't want him to be playing football necessarily but that he would throw off the chemistry and there would be another receiver would be erased

I mean looking at the box score here they're all productive in a game like today Scottie Miller's been erased a little bit I think potentially here well that's fair Scottie Miller has had four yards so it's not a great he's not a great he's not a great he's actually took Scotty's job which is a bummer

because Scotty was having a nice little season to start but it's I mean but why not go upgrade your roster if you can I don't I think you know whatever we can get into all the business about whether he should be there or not but he clearly you know six grabs off seven targets he does have chemistry with Brady and I don't know

it makes me look at some of these results we get like last week's Saints game and just say aberration, I'm willing just to completely wipe it off the map. I mean, I don't know what to take of that when I see them. I mean, they pummeled a wanting defense. The Panthers have been playing really hard, but

they, you know, they are not there defensively and today expose them in a guess. Yeah, they're just hoping to stop you in the red zone. And that actually worked today. The bucks were only four of eight in the red zone, including I think they got stopped four times inside the 10. Usually a defense is like, okay, Ben, don't break. But

It's a problem if they're in the red zone every single possession. I mean, they also had five touchdowns, so I don't know if they totally stopped them. As bad as it was for Carolina's defense, yeah, it could have been so much worse. Brady, and you alluded to it, Greg, he missed three, you know, touchdowns, one on a deep shot for Antonio Brown early that should have gone for six, where he just was way off on it. He threw high to Mike Evans in the end zone on something that should have been a touchdown. He missed Gronk on another ball that could have been a touchdown. They kick three field goals from inside, you know, 25 yards. So you're actually, if you're the Panthers,

you're lucky that you don't get a 60 burger handed to you here. And my take on the Panthers right now is they are getting there. They're getting there. But their defense needs multiple players. And I see your smirk, Mark. I'm not doing a victory lap. I don't know. I mean, all I'm saying is the Panthers, as fun as they are from week to week.

they have work to do before they are actually a good team. They are not a good team yet. Well, I would say this. This is not a game you could point to because you can't close a game when you're, you know, getting your doors blown off. But they've struggled to close games. That's, that's, you know, the next step for maturity for them, from coaching staff to players on down.

But I wouldn't put this into the category of last week where they gave the chiefs to scare. I mean, they were just completely overpowered. Well, in the first half, I think you could point to it. Like, that was Matt Ruhl's coach of the year. year real because I think Teddy was pretty off in this game. I swear he was playing about as poorly as he possibly could for being 12 for 12, which is crazy. But it's like the location on his passes were just consistently off. And they were still moving the ball and they were scoring, you know, drive after drive against this buck's defense. But then the second half, they had 35 yards and six drives.

And Teddy got hit low on a play. But the game was over at this point, but it should have been called as one of those low hits that they created the penalty after Rathusberger tore his ACL. And the minute I saw it, I was worried he's getting an MRI. He left the game. Hopefully it's not too serious. It's not worth guessing. Maybe it's a multiple week thing. Maybe it's more.

Maybe it's less. We'll see. But they're going to, they're three and seven. And that's a wrap if Teddy's out. Yeah, that's a fork game for them. And they've lost five in a row. And Teddy, just to note, it is not the need. that exploded on the practice field with the Viking.

So that's good. It's not messing with that need, but whenever there's an MRI involved, by the time you listen to this, dear listener, hopefully there will be a good news on that, but we don't have that as of right now. All right, let's move forward. I mean, all right, he's on the tarmac.

We've all been stuck on the tarmac before. It's not pleasant, but nobody, like, checks in with Joe Blow the next day. He's like, hey, you're struggling today because you're playing, you know, needed to be de-ice, and then the de-icing agent didn't work and you had to get off that plane. These guys are overcoming a lot more than a little tarmac delay.

Where are the articles and the breathless coverage when the quiet storm is stuck on the tarmac? No. Back to Connecticut. There's no report. Well, I mean, I haven't been there in 20 years, but there's no reporting about that on any level.

And it makes you realize what you are at the core compared to the bucks, just an average run-of-the-mill human with a very, very low on the antenna of that being. tracked. I know we got to stay on track, but I just, I hope if anyone in the media is listening to this show, the fact that this was the top headline I need to be on yesterday, and I'm sure at NFL.com, too, on Saturday, we don't need, we don't need that because it's really not that

big a deal ultimately. I mean, the proof's in the pudding. The buck's damn near scored 70 points today. All right, let's move on. Car. Hand off. Jacob sprinting over to the left. He's got walking in. Jackpot, baby. What's going on with Brent Musburger in the desert, man? There's something going on, like a Walter White situation. He's enjoying it. What a way to wrap up a great career, you know? Which isn't to say that he's cooking meth and becoming a drug king pen. Well, that would be quite an accusation.

There's a level of swagger that he has in his old age that I don't remember him quite having when he was talking about the Bengals backup quarterback's girlfriend. I don't know. Anyway, KRLF with the call. What was that guy's name? AJ McCarran. Still with us?

Texans, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's, yeah. The Raiders are a good football team. Josh Jacobs had 100 yards rushing and two touchdowns by the end of the third quarter. And the Vegas defense intercepted Drew Locke four times en route to an easy,

easy 37 to 12 win. That score exactly encapsulates the type of game that went down here. Vegas, as is becoming increasingly clear, week after week, they're a team that can bully you if you're not physical. And Denver was simply not up to the challenge of what Josh Jacobs in this running game had. It was a game where Derrick Carr and the passing game were not in sync. Nelson Aguilar dropped a touchdown pass. Darren Waller dropped what should have been a walk-in, like,

the yard score. But it didn't really matter because they were able to move the ball on the ground and the defense suffocated Denver's offense. The Raiders limited the Broncos to zero yards in the third quarter. Denver only ran four plays in that quarter. And Locke, who was getting beaten up all game just takes way. He's a cowboy and not a Dallas cowboy. He takes way too many chances. And quite frankly, without being too hard on the boy, he's not good enough to take many of the chances he does. He killed him with turnovers today. This seems like a Gruden dream. They had the ball for 37 minutes.

The run game has been ferocious weeks in a row. I think this is like, with each passing week, my faith in the Raiders, it grows. And if you're John Elway and you've just come back from your corona scenario,

your quarantine, you've got to be looking at Drew Locke and saying, are we back here again? Are we back here in the search for another quarterback? It's not just you, And I had like a, I have a bunch of friends in Denver, and they're all basically saying, this ain't it. This guy is not the guy. Well, I noticed that on Twitter. I tweeted something like, you know, I wrote Jewlock.

I don't know, man. And then a bunch of Broncos fans, instead of coming after me hard, like, which was happening early, everyone seems to be getting to a place where they're losing faith in them, which he hasn't played a lot. But still, there's too many. He has 10 interceptions and seven starts. Oh, yeah. Our super fan, Eric Jansen, is totally, uh, he's totally. bailed on this guy. Look, if Locke had played even remotely last year like he's played this year, they wouldn't, they would have gotten a quarter, they wouldn't, they would have gotten a new

quarterback. You know, it's in a different system. They didn't have the off season. That could be everyone's excuse, then he gets hurt. But all you got to, all you can really evaluate is how he's played this year. And based on how he's played this year, he's been a, he's kind of been a disaster. There hasn't really been, um, good things to look at. The defense is, you know, slowly crumbling. by the week because of injuries, too. And, yeah, the last seven games, that's what they're going to be, is an audition for him. I do think it's worth pointing out for the Raiders.

They're missing both their starting tackles who are like Pro Bowl-level tackles. And so that's why sometimes when injuries are used as an excuse, it's like good coaching and good teams can overcome it, that they're still playing this well without those guys. It's awesome. They've played three division teams in their last three games, the Raiders. And they've won all three games, including, of course, the win in Arrowhead that started that streak. And I think they get the Chiefs again next week.

Don't quote me on that. Yeah, so they have a chance over the course of four games to sweep their division, which would be wild. Now, if they go and the Chiefs are coming in their building off a bye week, if they beat the Chiefs, then we're going to be talking about the Raiders as a legitimate feared contender in the AFC. I don't think they're quite there yet. But the fact that we can look ahead to that game and say, ooh, that's going to be a fun watch. That shows you the progress that John Gruden has made in his third year with this team.

So another nice performance by the Raiders. They're feeling good. They're six and three. They're on track for a playoff spot. And the Broncos, let's wait until next year once again. Let's move on. The goal line set handoff goes Camero left tackle. He stopped their first.

And that lunches into the game. goal line. Alvin Camara from a yard out and the Saints convert the turnover to a touchdown. Third of the day for Alvin Camara. He deserves it. Alvin Kamara scored not one, not two, but three, three, three touchdowns, adding another monster performance to his MVP resume. You don't want to put him on the MVP. All right, let's put him in the top five. Why not?

I'm on that list. Has the Saints coasted to an easy win over the forked 49ers who will not be defending their conference title come January. Mark, a nice win by the Saints, but some concerns after Drew Brees had to leave this game with an injury. Yeah, I'd be concerned. He's another MRI candidate. He's going to get one tomorrow, going to get an X-ray.

It was Ribs. Contavius Street was flagged for roughing the passer. I actually think another debate around that hit was, I don't think that was roughing the passer by its dictionary definition. But point aside, Breeze came up looking, have you ever broken a rib? Like, you can't really breathe, that that's what's going on with him. Like, he just was, like, hunched over and did not look good.

And, like, he came back in and played a little bit. But then after halftime, he basically told Sean Payton, he couldn't do it. He was complaining of back pain, too. So we'll see. They play the Falcons next. We'll see what the status is right there. not in love with what James Winston did in the game.

A lot of short passes. I think that you'd see a different James Winston if there was a week to prepare. A little too much Taysom Hill for my liking. I've moved into that camp where I feel like he plays some really good games. He does things really well. We all know that. But if you're going to have to figure out this situation, there's a lot of plays they're on the field at the same time.

And I just, I don't know if Winston and Hill need to be, who are you replacing if you're doing that? Well, Drew Breaz's been an Ironman, and the fact that he wasn't able to go back in the game makes you wonder if we're going to get James Winston in starts. What did you see from him? Well, like I said, I thought they didn't really unleash James Winston. It was a lot of short passes. You know, with Kamara playing the way he was, they kind of just sort of game managed their way through the second half. This wasn't a dominant effort.

I thought the Niners, you know, like the Niners feel like they can give you a quarter and a half of inspired football with a backup quarterback and a bunch of nobody's. They opened the game with a seven-minute plus drive with a touchdown that I thought, this is interesting. They're hanging around in this thing. But to point, again, to special teams, the Niners had two killer muffed punts, where they lost the ball both times. Both of those led to Alvin Kamara touchdowns.

Nick Mullins threw a terrible interception as well. And that kind of was the difference, the Niners' mistakes. They're just not able to be who they are, not Prime San Francisco. And, you know, not unlike in Carolina, I can have my coaching fascinations. You know, Kyle Shanahan can't coach around Sean Payton, even with the backup quarterback with some of the stuff that's going on in San Francisco. I thought it was the star of the game to me was the Saints defense. They had eight QB hits, two sacks, the interception, the Malcolm Jenkins pick I mentioned of Nick Mullins.

And they really just dominated, they dominated San Francisco. It was sort of an ugly win, but you'll take it. I mean, they had 237 yards of office. offense to Saints. So they've won games in different sorts of ways this year. I think Saints fans were very happy to get this sort of win just because of how it played out. Now we'll see they can't win like this each and every week, but their defense has been stepping up. And so you like to see that. Camara is a running back that matter. You know who else matters? Rahim Moster. Like they have really missed him for the 49ers. Like no running game since

since most dirt goes down. But it wasn't just Breeze. They lost at some point seven different starters in this game to injury, including Marshawn Lattimore, Andrews Pete, and C.D. Deuce Johnson. So that's a problem. Like if that, we'll see how serious all of these are, but that could be a rough day for this. They're banged up.

And Gardner Johnson had an excellent game. I mean, he just kept making pivotal plays in this. So losing guys like that comes with a huge cost. I'm looking at the NFC standings. The Saints have not lost now since week three. They've had a six-game winning streak, three or four straight years. I don't know if it's three-year-old, but that's ridiculous. That's awesome.

And they right now, they're tied with the Packers for the best record in the NFC. And remember, there's only one playoff by this year. You have to win your conference essentially in the regular season to get that by. And I look at the Saints' upcoming schedule, and it looks, pretty good looks pretty good they host the falcons i know the falcons are playing better they go to denver we know the broncos have a ton of problems right now then they go to atlanta then they go to philly before they get the chiefs and what's going to be an awesome week 15 matchup uh that ooh tony romo and jim nance will be calling so uh they seem well set up for another 13 or even 14 win season

if things break their way but the drew the drew breeze thing is something to watch here that is i'm telling you saints fans are not feeling confident about sweeping the falcons that's For sure, because the Falcons have played them great in recent years. And the Falcons are playing great right now. So that's a tricky one if Drew Breeze is out. Greg would watch Saints Falcons like 16 weeks in a row and never complain. Hey. Best rivalry in football.

Let's no, it's not. No, it's not. That's Bill's Cardinals. He runs left to the 20. 10, 5, and he's in for the touchdown. 34 yards for Daniel Jones. he had again. The golfing Jones goes around the left end,

and this time he doesn't fall down, and it's a giant touchdown. You know who we've heard from a lot on the show in the last five weeks? Bob Papa, a WFAN. Just the Giants playing better. Who's the best team in the NFC least? The Jimon. Daniel Jones.

34-yard touchdown, gave the Giants to leave. They would not relinquish 27-17 over the Eagles. Giants pull even in the win column with Philadelphia and now sit just a half game out at first place, despite an 0-and-5 start. And, you know, this has been, this is something we teased on our Thursday preview show, that the Giants have slowly and quietly

have been putting it together since that winless start. Their defense has been, pretty good, averaged pretty good during this stretch. And the offense, when Daniel Jones is not turning the ball over, and I know Greg has created a new rule in the NFL. If you fumble, it doesn't matter. It's still a bad thing, and it should be penalized. When you talk about a player, well, he did not lose a turnover.

He did not turn the ball over for the second straight game. And when Danny done... Let's put him in the canyon of heroes, you know. When Danny Dimes does not turn it over, they have a good chance with that defense and a running game that's now come to life. Guess what? Guess what?

They got Wayne Galman in the house doing things. And Danny Dimes, for all the mocking and derision, he set the team record for rushing yards from a quarterback today. So 160 yards on the ground. So a nice team effort by the Giants is what I'm saying. And the Eagles, I mean, they're on five. fire right now. It's just, it's bad if Carson Wentz, and I know I just said the Eagles, the Giants defense has been improving, but I mean, come on. I mean, you got to make some plays.

You got to, you cannot be throwing high all game like Carson Wentz was. He wasn't the reason they lost this game and he wasn't playing the type of hero ball that's been getting him killed this year. But there's just nothing special about Wentz this year. And when they need him to be special, it's just not there. It's crazy. How is he one of the worst quarterbacks? in the league. I mean, it's hard to, it's hard to understand that Gettelman, the Giants general manager, got some grief for saying, you know, they're the best two and seven team he's ever seen. But I get what he's saying. They've led by 10 points in six straight games. That's pretty, you know, you have to be pretty good to do that. And they've had some bad luck, but you have

seen this identity. When Alf Morris is making plays, and that was more a week ago, but this week, yeah, he had some good runs, and then Galman is making plays like, you're getting some sort of identity. I don't know if the Eagles are half game back. It really hurts my brain. You know, I like to think of myself as somewhat mathematically inclined, but like, what is three and seven compared to the three, five, and one? I think that's a game. I think that's a game. There are two losses back. Who the hell? So it's two games in the loss column, but then there's the high. It's a problem. I can't, I can't do that stuff in my, yeah. I'll check in in a week 17.

I think it's interesting that, like, you know, the Giants have maybe snuck up on people a little bit because, you know, we had Bo Wolf on timely time to have him come on and talk about Wence and his issues, which rage on. But I feel like I heard a lot of chatter like, all right, the Eagles coming off their by. This is when they really turn it around

and we get this better version of Wents. People handing them the NFC East, which I understand because you've got a lot of, you know, hideous teams in there. But the Giants look like the better code. team to me over the last month or two. And, you know, Daniel Jones is, that streak of turnover-free games will end. I think we know that will end at some point. But it just seems like guys like Wayne Galman, like stepping up and playing, looking like

a different player than they did a year ago for this Giants team. So I wouldn't be unhappy at all to see the Giants not only win the division, but win a playoff game. Wow. And we talked about it with Jones. When he fell in that Thursday night game. on the 70-yard breakaway run against the Eagles and a game that they lost

and had no business losing the Giants and imagine if they won that game. They'd really be going nuts right now. But, you know, that was his butt fumble and it's something he's going to have to overcome. And even Bob Papa, who's paid by the team, can't call that touchdown run without referencing his fall.

So like Jones has baggage and he has guys that, you know, Greg, not like singling you out, but people in the national media that doubt him and feel like, like he's somebody who's a problem. I'm stupid. It's still, wait a second. It's still, it's still early.

It's still early in the Daniel Jones evaluation process. And now that he's putting together a couple games without the turnovers, and he shows you this crazy speed. And he was called Sneaky Fast on the Telcast. I think it's not sneaky. He got to do away with the sneaky fast thing. He got up to 22 miles per hour on that fall. He was 20 miles per hour on that run.

That's close to what running backs do. he has tools to be a good starting quarterback. And I'm really excited to see how he closes out this season because I'm with you, Mark, and that he's had his ups and downs, but he's an intriguing prospect at quarterback. He really is. I agree. This game was massive because I think they would have had a hard time crawling out of a hole, but now it feels like it's wide open.

So they have the worst record of any division in NFL history through 10 weeks. And if you look at it, they've actually played a ton of division games. compared to other divisions. So the Giants, for instance, are 3 and 2 in the division. That's their 0 and 7 out of the division. So they only have one division game left. There's not that many division games left in this NFC East. So it's like if you could just get one or two out of the division,

that's going to be enough. Because the Eagles at some point, I was just hopeful they would come back and look like a totally different team. But they've just looked like one of the five worst teams in the league the whole season. They're broken. I would note the giant's schedule is no picnic. They have their buy. Then they've got the Bengals, manageable, obviously.

Seahawks, Cardinals, Browns, Ravens. And then you close with the Cowboys. So, you know, we're going to get a five or six win team winning this division, which I find painfully delightful in a strange way. And my last thought on the Eagles, you have a healthy Carson Wentz. You got Miles Sanders back today. You have Jalen Rager, a first round pick, wide receiver. You got Travis Fulgin, who's been a real surprise.

He's healthy in playing. Dallas got it in the lineup, and you go 0 for 9 in third down. Most attempts without a conversion in a game by any team this season, the first time the Eagles went zilch on third down since 2004. Maybe we get another Doug Peterson autobiography after this season, just to recap what's been going on since the Super Bowl. Doubtful. Don't think it would sell very well in Philly,

but can't take away that ring, Mark Sessler. Can't take it away. Let's move on. here we go to win it at ford field time 27 27 three seconds to go new box to snap fox to hold here we go snap spot kickaway it is up he's got the distance it is good it is good baby mad craters sent it through for 59 yards out and the lions You're celebrating at midfield. Great call by Dan Miller, WJR.

Matt Prater wears an earring. He also wins football games in dramatic fashion. The veteran kicker's 59-yard bomb from midfield was true, producing the winning points for the Lions and a 3027 win over the football team. Greg, the flying patricians. They were sipping mimoses after surviving a near collapse. Yeah, I mean, I don't need to hear anymore. from Lions fans that they're unlucky.

Between this and the Todd Gurley didn't fall in the end zone game, they feel pretty lucky to have gotten a couple wins over the last month. I wanted 2020 to give me something. I wanted 2020 to give me a nice Alex Smith comes from 24 to 3 down and leads the Washington football team to a victory with Akib Talib on the mic, just enjoying the hell out of himself, which is what I like to hear from my broadcasters. Jonathan Vilma is another good one,

who you can just tell, like, enjoys the game, even if it's not as, like, as polished as your Trent Greens of the world. It's like, give me someone who loves football, came through. Whoa. What a sub-tweet there of a Trent Green. Yeah, that was an intentional choice. That was an intentional choice. It was, it didn't give it to us.

They had a chance to win. Alex Smith throws for 390 yards, played pretty well throughout the game. And Washington had the ugly. had the ugliest two-minute drive I've ever seen to try to win a game. 17 plays in two minutes, tons of penalties. They end up kicking a field goal and leaving a little too much time for Matthew Stafford. And the Lions really only won the game because Chase Young had one of the dumbest penalties you'll ever see hitting Matthew Stafford late, which set up the game-winning field goal.

Where are we at with Chase Young, by the way? Because we were talking about, we were just talking about on Thursday show, or there's a Tuesday show, the mid-season predictions. Everybody had Chase Young as the defensive rookie in the year. Where are we at? He's been very quiet over the last month. And so I don't put him there. I certainly would put Julian Blackman or I'd have to go look at it.

But he's been quiet over last month. The Washington football team had one quarterback hit today on Stafford. That was the most surprising thing of the game was he had tons of time. It only came from a safety. I was really surprised to see Detroit kind of dominate up front and give the ball to DeAndre Swift, and he played great. And that's the best thing to feel if you're a Lions fan other than the win. Matt Patricia, somehow, somehow, Greg, has the Lions at 4 and 5, which does not feel like where the Lions are right now, because there's been a lot of doom and gloom. And quite frankly,

and it comes from this podcast, too, but Lions fans and everyone else that covers the league, a frustration around this team's inability to get better and improve during Patricia's time. But 4 and 5 is not a terrible place to be in mid-November. No, with some winnable games coming up. They have Carolina who might be without Teddy Bridgewater and another very winnable game right after that where I think they'd be favored. And the problem is you watch them.

You just can't convince yourself they're a good team. Washington had 20 minutes of time of possession, had 25 more minutes of time of possession, had 25 more plays. Like it was 24 to 3, and I thought, well, maybe Washington can come back. So if that's where you are with your team, like, you can't feel that good. I mean, so I got dropped off the mic here for a minute. But are you suggesting that I should now get back on said vehicle and chase this lion's caravan?

They'll find a way to lose these games. Right. I just, I don't feel convinced. I, well, that's what Greg says. I would say I would be willing to throw up some type of roadblock for Mina Kimes and company that would force their vehicle to stop. And then you can get the burrow, catch up. And then you have one last chance, and it's either now or never, to be on the bandwagon. There's no more on and off, like it's a San Francisco trolley.

You have a chance right now, Mark, on this podcast in Week 10, to be on or off. Well, I mean, when you put the words forever in Detroit Lions together, I'm staying clear of that. For this season, are you on? No, because here's the problem. Like, you've got to inspire me, and I don't, I just, they put me to sleep. It's like a white noise machine. Here's how it'll play out. They're going to beat, you know, maybe they beat P.J. Walker and the Panthers.

It sets them up on Thanksgiving the one day where everyone in America watches the lines. They're at five and five. They'll be favored against the Texans. And everyone will be like, you know what? The lions are right in it. And that's where they leave. They lose a devastating game. I was going to say, they will have a 10 to 13 point lead at half time of that.

Thanksgiving game win and it will end with the Sean Watson eating a turkey leg on some postgame show. Fuck it. And Kevin Patra throwing a whiskey drink against a wall

and his whole family saying Kevin, we think you have a problem. I'm not convinced Kevin like still gets emotionally attached to these games. No, I don't think so. But I like the imagery of him whipping a glass of whiskey against the wall.

I just want to make a clear in this scenario that I've invented. It's not that the family's sitting him down saying we think you have a drinking problem. Okay. It's more an issue with his temper, which is explosive and can be problematic around other people.

Well, I'm glad he's the only person that can be accused of things like that. All right. Let's move on. Good job, Alex Smith. Here is Chuck. We're all proud of him. We're all proud of him.

And he does it. And he may go all the way. And he does. No flags are down, and Chubb, he ran out of bounds. Goes out of bounds at the one-yard line. Dick Stockton with another classic call to add to his resume there for Fox. Oh, Nick Chub, don't go out of bounds. You don't have to do that. Nick Chubb iced the game with a long run, earned 7,000.

Nick Chub is a class act, tweets in the process. And more importantly, most importantly, clinched a 10-7 win for the Cleveland Browns. over the Texans, a game that was delayed by 35 minutes by a sudden storm right before kickoff. Hey, quiet storm, Mr. Sessler, it must feel good to get your Chubby back. I love Nick Chubb. I think he's just the perfect fit for the Cleveland Browns. I actually, I probably will be losing my fantasy matchup this week because he did that. But I thought it was smart football, and I get the, I knew the classy stuff would get on your radar, Dan.

it got on my radar too because it's like we don't know i think he is a classy person we don't know that he's classy it could have been from any other player team it's still is funny when people equate that with a guy being a class act no absolutely but i think that is the nick chub experience i would say this i think that last year's team um and i'm not putting i'm not maybe chub would have known to do that last year's team would not have made a savvy move like that to close out the clock they would have found a way to give the ball back to shan watson so i think there is a little bit of it where there's hope in cleveland it's it's it's in the coaching, where I think that they work themselves out of a bad game today.

This game started 35 minutes late because of insane wins, and it's still finished before Washington, Detroit. These teams wanted to run the ball, burn the clock, and get out of there. And I wrote down my first note, because you write all these notes during these games, it was like, I can't think of a game where I came out of a game, learning, with my opinion, not changed about either team at all. Deshawn Watson did Deshawn Watson things. the best he could. I think that their wide-out group has done a nice job in the post-calamity

of trading New Hopkins. They've been a good group, and I thought they were going to win this game. I mean, all they needed was two scoring drives, basically, to get it done, and they just couldn't, they couldn't, but it's not the credit of Cleveland's defense in my book. This running game in Cleveland is completely different when Chubb is there. And we saw in Wyatt Teller at guard. I mean, they are the first Brown's tandem to both cross 100 yards in a game, Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubbs since 1966. And they've been some good running backs in Cleveland. That's who they are.

That's who they've not been able to be the past couple of weeks. I would say I give them a solid B in this game. They have a lot of issues. I don't look at them the same way that I look at the dolphins or other teams that are sort of, I think, record aside, becoming something special before our eyes. I don't feel that way about the Browns. That said, this is a game they would have lost in the past. They took care of business.

Right. I mean, they've won six games, and they've still got the Eagles and the Jaguars next, and they finish their season with the Jets. I mean, it's like Cupcake City. They have really rolled out the red carpet for this Browns team to come make the playoffs. You know, they have some other tough games, but I'm just saying you just got to win a couple of those. You have to not blow it. And I know that makes you nervous, Mark, and it would, too, because the AFC is shaping up in a really interesting way

where there's a huge division right now between teams with only three losses and everyone else. There's nine teams with only three losses. losses that are six and three are better. So there's nine teams that have really good record. So the Browns are going to have plenty of competition to try to make this playoffs. But you would want to have to try to earn it. And with the schedule that they have, they have to feel good because they haven't tripped up on these games, really, they have. And it would be a bummer if they had lost these two totally weather-affected games, which stand out as maybe the two most weather-affected games in the entire NFL this season.

So at least you just split those and move on and hopefully have some normal games. Yeah, I think they get to 10 and 6. They should get, there's a road to 10 and 6. If any of these teams that sneak into the AFC playoffs, they've earned it. You're not going to get, you know, an embarrassment in there. So we'll see what happens. You know, games like this, I can't assess Baker Mayfield because the wind was insane. But he did not look to me like a difference-making quarterback.

And there's been a couple, been too many weeks like that. Been a couple good ones too. But I think they've got a lot of thinking to do behind the scenes about what kind of contract or extension they'd ever give. him if this is who he is. The range of outcomes with next week's Browns' Eagles matchup is out of control. I mean, there's two teams that don't make any sense from week to week, although maybe the Eagles are just bad, which the Browns are not. So you would think they should win that game.

Anyway, one little thought exercise here, gentlemen, because we all know, Greg, more than anyone, that in addition to Chubb going out of bounds at the one, um, altering the final score, it changed everything in the desert for people. that are inclined to track things that way. But here's the thought exercise. And I blame Todd Gurley for this

because it was such a big story that I think it definitely was in Nick Chubbs' mind as he was going down the sideline, 59 yards, and then stop the foregoing the 60th of the touchdown. What's a better, what gives you better odds to win a football game? Going up 16-7, and let's assume the point after. So being up 17-7 with 67 seconds to play, and a horrendous windswept day

where the opposition has done nothing on offense or being up 10-7 deep in the opponent's territory but needing two quarterback center exchanges and kneel downs to ensure victory. I would guess that the odds are very close to 50-50 and if it's even close, just go in the damn end zone. Just a thought exercise.

Well, I don't think it matters. You're right, which is your overall point. Well, it matters to a lot of people. No, I know. I mean, in terms of winning, but no, I think going out is clearly the more obvious, the better, because nothing can happen. Yes, you could mess up a set or exchange nap. No, that's untrue. Something can happen.

Right. But when was the last time that someone blew kneeling on the ball? I can't remember it ever happening. As for them Edwards. Well, then we'd really know. Even that one, it wasn't that a handoff? Wasn't that a handoff or something or no? Just saying, that was a run-out-the-clock situation.

I mean, it was like it moved, it moved you into like 99 percentile, you know, barring something. More than that, yeah, it gave us over if you go out of bounds. What is, let's let's find this out, actually. I want to come back to this on Tuesday because it's interesting to me. If we could find data, all this malarkey with the win probability, what's the win probability of 177 with 107 to play? It's basically almost no difference, but the difference is you're giving up a slight chance of a touchdown and an onset kick in another field. I would also assume, I would assume that like with all these. analytics heads inside of every, you know, front office in Cleveland has 300 of them that someone

was on someone's mic saying, if someone breaks away here, get out of bounds, the averages side with getting out of bounds, right? I mean, what are they doing? Just sliding down. Yeah, they're telling them don't score ideally. Call me old question. Although he had a fifth year. A touch down there, too. Although you ended up in this weird world we now live in, in this Twitter echo chamber, he was celebrated more for not scoring. Although it would have been great. I think I think as a Bradley, I don't think it really mattered either way, you know, but yes, if he had done like a somersault while like doing like a big like, like, eat it, you know, everyone would have loved that too. I wanted him to score. You know, it was, you know, punch it in. But I, you know, you get it. This is what you get for keeping Easterby. We see you. It's like, oh, you'll hire a GM. We know who's hiring that GM. It's Easterby. You're getting the mad, bad mojo. You deserve it. The torch that I'm not allowed to run around with at this point. So I appreciate that.

hot for the mic rosenthal all right let's move on rogers looking lofts the left side of the end zone leap and grab devante adams touchdown green bay oh what a beautiful play fake by erin rogers way laravie wtmj with the call nick shook now joins us devante adams did what devante adams does scoring a touchdown when the packers need one his td grab in the fourth quarter was the difference in a 24-20 win over the Jaguars at Lambeau shook. I know home field advantage was like fun and happiness in general, eradicated by COVID-19, but how the hell did Green Bay let the loot knights hang out? It was one of those weird games.

I mean, every once in a while you see a team that is clearly superior, play a lesser team, and not necessarily make mistakes, but just things kind of unfold where the lesser team manages to stay in the game. A punt return for a touchdown makes what was going to be a runaway. game, a close game. And it just kind of unfolds from there. And that's really what the Jaguars did for the most part, until the latter stages of the game when you actually had to put the ball in Jake Luton's hands. And, well, we saw the result. I mean, he's simply not the guy. But, I mean, I credit them for battling and for sticking around in the game long

enough to make it competitive, but ultimately the better team won. They have to be thrilled that Marquez, Valdez, Scantling put up the kind of game he did, that it's not just Devante Adams. But Aaron Jones came back. I'm looking at the numbers here, not mind-blowing. Was it just sort of the way the game went that he wasn't massively impactful? Yeah, and it was one of those strange games where the Packers won time of possession by a small margin, and it worked out in the Jaguars' favor in that it limited them from making their own mistakes.

You know, the longer the Packers had the ball, the less of a chance the Jaguars had to make a game-changing or a crushing mistake, like throwing a pick-six or something like that. And credit to the Jaguars for eliminating the Packers' ability to turn those into points. For the most part, it was the Packers settling for three, not being able to turn those possessions into touchdowns except for a few occasions and kind of just resulting in a closer game than expected. But, I mean, if you watch the game on the field, for the most part, you could tell. I mean, you knew who was the better team like we knew coming into this game.

And it was just a matter of them pulling out the victory. Not every win is pretty, and this is an ugly win for the Packers, but it still counts the same in the standings. even if it was against the Jack bars. I think it's interesting, as I alluded to, with home field advantage. Like if there's 60,000 fans going nuts at Lambo in this game, you get the feeling it's just totally different. This year is different without fans and 10,000 fans in a stadium.

Obviously aren't making that much of a difference because I would guess because I think there has been a host of road teams that won again this week. And it's continuing to be a situation where teams on the road. actually are faring better than the host teams in games. So I think there's something to that, and that's why games like this, although it's a little bit head-statching to me that the Jaguars were winning in the fourth quarter

and even had a chance to drive for what I call, go for the Eli setup, which is where you're down four points, not three, and you got the ball, and it's like square touchdown and win or lose. Unfortunately, and, you know, as someone that's leading the loot nights, Nick's show. I didn't see anything magical on that last possession by the young passer. No, absolutely not.

I mean, he is adept, I think, at maybe rolling to his strong side to his right arm side and finding an open man, you know, seven or eight yards away. But I would expect most quarterbacks who reach the NFL to be able to do that. Beyond that, though, he's not going to make a throw that dazzles you. He's not going to make the clutch throw for the most part. Even the week prior, his most clutch play was him scrambling and then just spinning out of a tackle to score a touchdown. If you watch him on a pass-by-pass basis, it's very clear that this guy, you know, who is who he is

and was where he was in the roster. This is not the future of the Jaguars by any stretch of the imagination. And even if you take him and compare him to Gardner-Michu, who has not been very good this year, I would still take Gardner-Mitchie just simply in the fact that if I gave him the ball in the situation they were in today, he might make a few more plays and make it a closer game. You're in a fixed stand.

I mean, you've started this. fan club, um, it's already losing tremendous steam. It's more like Jake Lutank at this point. And, you know, but you're going to, you have to stick with it. You can't just bail on this. You've got a lot of pamphlets to write. Um, you know, got to get the, the mailing addresses up to snuff. Uh, I mean, I've tracked this for years, Mark. And what I've noticed with you is when times get rough, you just jump off your fan clubs. Why can't I do the same thing? That's, that's just inaccurate. I'm completely dug in on these. How was David Blow doing these days?

Yeah, where's the blower, what were they called? Blow hearts. The Blow hearts, not what were they called? What are they called? Because it's a vibrant community, and we know that our time will come. And when he goes silent because he's not being given a chance, do you trust the Detroit line? Why am I blanking on that white Vikings running back? Zach Center?

No. Toby Gerhardt. Yeah, where's the Gerhardt updates? That wasn't a fan club so much. That wasn't a fan club so much is just a slight fascination. Anyways, back to the story at hand. No, it is shocking, but before we go, they need to not have these no-shows. It's a little shocking to have 16 first downs, punt four or five times,

have two turnovers against the Jaguars defense. I mean, that's a problem. It's great. They win the game, and hopefully it's not a big deal. But they've had a couple no-shows offensively, which is surprising for such a good offense. Erica, you have another one that just came to mind? Yeah, Seth DeValve. Oh, Seth DeValve.

I mean, Seth DeValve is... What happened to the safety devalve? Seth DeValve, and, you know, Nick knows that Seth DeValve is someone that is, you know, not just going to go away because he's shipped to his fourth or fifth team in as many years. TBD, not a huge fan club. Losing Steam, I will admit. What about Bill Laser? Also a fan club underdressed at the moment. You know what can happen Monday night is Bill Laser could, he's calling the plays now for the Bears, and he could take out Mark who locked up against the,

The laser. Yeah, burn by your own fan club. Seth DeValve is very strong in the community. He was a big volunteer guy when I was in the Browns. I always saw him at all the community events that I had to go cover as part of my job. Nice stuff. We should mention David Bactiari got, I think, the biggest contract in the history of tackles on Saturday night. Left tackle the past.

I was going to anchor our Tuesday podcast, Greg, way to spoil it. Happened yesterday. What are we going to do? You're going to do 40 minutes on it. I also just wanted to give a nod to James Robinson, who continues to give a workman-like effort and broke 100 yards rushing today. I think he had, what, 1009 today? 109.

All right. Let's run these players in the late rounds. There you go. Good breakdown of the game, boys. Up next. Fires over the middle. Chase Claypool with a leaping grab in traffic for the Steelers, 11-yard touchdown.

Von Bell, scratching his head in the end zone. said, how did Ben do it? And how did you do it? How about that Mapletron over the middle? MapleTron. I like that nickname. Bill Hillgrove with the call WDVE. Ben Ralthusberger carved up a host of Bengals reserves in the secondary for four touchdown.

Two to Chase Claypool. Do I believe that's nine in nine games this year? That's a rookie kids. As the Steelers cruise to a 36 to 10 win over the Bengals in Cincinnati, shook. This looked like. a bad matchup for Cincinnati based on the state of their roster, and that's how it played out. Yeah, based on the state of the roster and the fact that they can't protect Joe Burrow, who attempted 11 passes under pressure today and completed one.

I think he was hit a total of 13 times, which is actually a lower total than I expected, considering this Pittsburgh defense leads the league in total pressures as a team this year. But, I mean, it was what you could expect. It was basically a tale of a team taking a lead on the back of its defense, shutting down the opposing offense, Steelers being that. defense, converting that one of those turnovers that they had, they forced two turnovers in the first half into points and just

suffocating the Bengals. They didn't have much to do of anything. They missed Joe Mixing a lot. And T. Higgins had a nice game, but for the most part, I mean, when you go 0 for 13 on third down, you don't have much of a chance in this game. And no matter how good Joe Burroughs look so far, I think the Bengals produced a blueprint to shut him down. You have to have the personnel,

of course, to execute that. But for the first time, I think this year, Joe Burrow looked completely uncomfortable for a large portion of this game. A lot of that had to do with the fact that they were from behind early and they were trying to claw their way back in. He had to drop back over 40 times again, which has become a recurring theme for the Bengals, but largely their offense really missed Joe Mixed and they just weren't able to keep up.

I think the rematches with the Bengals against the Steelers and Ravens matter because whatever positive spin you want to put on Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow and the season they're having doesn't feel right if they lose by 30 every time they play the Ravens. I mean, they couldn't, they couldn't, they were the Ravens and the Steelers. I mean, they couldn't move the ball at all. They've been absolutely blown out by both of those teams. And then, you know, they lost to the Brown. So they're staring at 0 and 6 in the division, even though they've looked good almost every other week on offense.

Like, you've got to have an answer for those teams or else that doesn't really matter if you're looking good the other weeks. They played everybody else tight this season, except for those two games. But in those two games, they were outscored 63 to 13. So, I mean, it tells you where they are. They can hang and even beat any teams that are average or below average. But when you go up that weight class in your own division, they're just not close to ready. It seems like Pittsburgh and Baltimore are not into the concept of Ohio football becoming the thing in the AFC North, Nick.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say is that the same could be said of the Browns who are six and three, but got absolutely destroyed by both those teams in similar fashion. It's kind of, I felt like I was watching a less talented, I don't know if that's necessarily the word, but a less equipped Browns team playing this game today. basically every other Browns team we've watched before this season. Except with a franchise quarterback and everything else was pretty much like those. It's like we have a perfect encapsulation through 10 weeks of what the AFC North is. You have the two big dogs, the Ravens and Steelers, and they're going to be neck and neck

and it probably will come down to the very end of the season. You have the Browns that are clearly a step below those two teams, but clearly a step above the Bengals. It's all set up right there. We already know what we need to know. It helps with organization, I guess. We understand what it is. It's the only two blowouts the Steelers have all year.

I mean, I think it's good. I think the Steelers have to feel good to have a blowout because they've had too many of these close games. But it's the only two blowouts they've had all year. Maybe they can build out. I think of like a team like last week, like Seattle had seven sacks, but it's like, okay, when Pittsburgh, they had four today,

like quarterbacks coming off of the Steelers game, typically a loss every time I lost this season. There's like a legit physical hangover to that. The Steelers like damage teams and break offenses, and then, you know, you've got talk radio going crazy the next day and whatever city dealt with Pittsburgh. Yeah, it, like, damages the psyche permanently. It takes weeks to wear off.

It's like when you get out of college and then you go out drinking for the first time and then you have like a two-day after effect. You know, it's not just that morning. It's the day after and it might stretch into the next day. That happened to you at 22 or 23. That's already happening to you. Yeah, and it happened to me at 22. I'm far from 23 now, but yeah, that happened.

And you exercise, apparently. So I don't, you know. I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor. I sit here in an office in downtown Cleveland and watch football. So, you know, I definitely have that degree, right? Let's move on to Sunday night football.

Oh, Sunday night. Now the pass goes to Myers, and it's behind the line of strivers. So he's going to throw a high school quarterback he was, and Birchhead will make the catch in the end zone. Oh, those tricky paths. Al Michaels with a call for NBC. Rex Burkhead pulls in the Jacoby Myers catch, 24-yard touchdown. That put the Patriots ahead, and they never gave up the lead going away.

2317 over the Ravens in rain-soaked Gillette Stadium, and it was torrential, in that final drive when I guess God decided the Ravens were not winning that game because that was mighty. So, you know, Greg, in a tough year for Patriots fans who had grown accustomed to the throne of ease, it's, nothing's been easy. I'm stupid. But this is. I'm stupid.

I'm stupid. But this is a nice win for New England, a bad loss of the Ravens. And let me say this, Greg. I thought you were a little dismissive of your favorite team after their win over the Jets. You had some comments that they really shouldn't be taken seriously, that they are so flawed and they were going to get wiped in this game. But guess what? Well-coached teams that have some good players find a way.

Yeah, I'm stunned. This was a game that was hard to see coming. You know, 31st and DVOA on defense heading into the game. They hadn't shown much. The conditions absolutely helped them. I mean, they are one of the best power running teams in the NFL. It was perfect for a mutter like Damian Harris, who has come on in recent weeks, is a lot of fun to watch, does not go down easy.

They've had some young players step up like Jacoby Myers. Their safety, Kyle Dugger played well tonight. But this is more of just like a team smart victory that, you know, we've seen from Bill Belichick squads over the year that I obviously did not think they had in them. but considering the conditions and the opponent, like they're going to be playing meaningful football now for another week. They got the Texans, and you'll see after that. I don't know if they can turn it around,

but like this alone to have that sort of classic Patriots moment and that weather was satisfied. I thought it was like an instructive film that might be used categorically down the line for center quarterback exchanges. And, you know, shotgun snaps. I mean, Mark Ingram, the Wildcat, snap that was botched on fourth and one that gave the Patriots the ball back at the Baltimore 37 the killer the killer misconnection between Lamar on on that one play that uh it led to

fourth and 15 where he had to run back and dive on it I mean yes it was terrible weather but it was terrible weather for both teams and um they showed that Lamar jackson is one and six in his career and now one and seven uh when they are losing at halftime and I and it's not a Lamar Jackson thing as much is this era of the Ravens to me is a team that needs to be in the lead. And then they do all the Ravens things that make us so, you know, inspired by them and think that they can move on into January. But then when they get knocked back a yard or two, when they get punched, they don't really respond the way that I would expect them to.

And like, I put a tweet out just asking, like, who are the Baltimore Ravens? They have one quarter to show us. And all these Ravens fans are saying injuries, injuries. were banged up. Well, you are. Everybody is. Everyone is. It's like, I don't really, like, I was kind of surprised that most of the mentions were just Ravens fans making excuses. They don't seem like a team that makes, like, that uses excuses or injuries or whether at all. I think they see themselves as the equal of the Patriots, but they aren't in terms of where we are today. I don't

know. This to me, I knocked the Ravens down a tier or two in the AFC. I'm not sure I totally buy into the experience this season. What do you think, Shook? It is a recur. theme with this with the Ravens in the last year and a half. I mean, we can go all the way back to what they did in the playoffs last year and how they had an unceremonious and surprising exit and that lost to Tennessee. This is a team like Mark said that cannot operate

from behind with less than a quarter or less than a half of football to play because it's and it's not necessarily an indication of Lamar's ability but they just cannot as a team effectively pass the ball when they need to most. It was hard to throw, but

tonight that feels like a weird criticism because He threw the ball really well, I thought, tonight, for the most part. Oh, here comes the Lamar defenders out again. God forbid he ever did anything wrong. He didn't do enough. He didn't do enough. No, I'm saying is as an offense, effectively, when they are down and they need to do something outside of their scheme, which is they are this powerful rushing attack, they struggle to do it.

They struggled to do it against the Chiefs and their loss earlier this season. And of course, the condition tonight, of course they had an effect on it. He had some drop passes and everything else. But my point is, is for a team that's a legitimate content. they have found themselves in this situation a few times and every time they've proven to be the same team, which is a team that cannot come back from a deficit when it needs to most. And I don't know how you get on board with a team like that down the road, long distance, yeah, maybe they have, you know, the ability to jump out to a lead and dominate on the ground.

But I can't trust a team like that when the games are close late in the year. Tonight was unique because of the weather. I just mean tonight is not the night. I think you look at it and you blame the Ravens' best player. I thought Lamar Jackson played a really strong game. Like one of his, one of his best throws, it was one of those nights where a lot, a lot of them weren't right for the Patriots, and they earned their breaks. You know, a lot of them were just good plays, you know, Rex Burkhead or James White or Harris

making good plays on third downs. But I'm thinking of like the best throw of the night that Lamar had on the second to last drive and it's taken back by a legal formation. The final drive of the game, he makes that great run. It comes back by a whole. He averaged over eight yards per a 10. attempt in a monsoon. He had that one interception. He didn't play like amazing. He's definitely stepped down like a huge peg. But I look at this game and I'm more worried that you know that the

only thing the Patriots are going to do is run the ball and best on best. The Ravens are supposed to be good run stoppers. I know they lost Campbell and then they lost Williams, but the Patriots had it all over them and they won the situational football going into halftime with that trick play and then coming out of halftime with the best drive that they had. So that was the Ravens defense, which I've talked up a lot this year. They did not get it done. Neither did the Ravens running game, really. It wasn't a great game by Baltimore's defense, and you mentioned it that the Patriots ran for 173 yards. Damian Harris, he slowed down in the last quarter or so when they were stacking the box on him.

But he was going off for like 10 yards a clip at one point. And listen, Lamar Jackson's going to get criticism even when you don't think he deserves it. but heavy what is it heavy lies the crown because he's the defending MVP of the league and when you when you have set the bar that high you're going to be your name will be invoked whenever the team struggles and the fact that the fact that we're in a situation here

where every time the Ravens seem to get punched in the mouth they don't get up it's just not a great look and I that's and the end I'm not even going to get worked up about the last drive of the game because it was an absolute monsoon. But in general, like, and this isn't literal, but they played like a team that just wanted to get out of the rain. The drive before that was where as a Patriots fan, I think the Ravens are going to go down the field. And Mark mentioned it was that center snap. And I mean, that killed two of their drives.

That's execution, though. That's both teams dealing with that same. And the Patriots, the Patriots didn't execute it in this game. And the Ravens did not. So the Ravens are a team that, if you, have doubts about them, they've earned those doubts because it seems to me, especially in these games where everyone's watching, that they don't always react well to them. And it's just not a great, it's not a great sign if I'm a Baltimore fan. I would just say also, we're days

removed from Lamar Jackson going on the Rich Eisen Show, knowing this would become a headline moment saying people are telling us, like, they're calling out our plays, they're diagnosing us pre-snap. They know what we're going to do. Our offense is not fresh. It's not something that's going to surprise you at this point. That's the second major player in their offense that's complained in the last three weeks. You tell me that Bill Belichick is not seeing what Lamar Jackson voiced even before he voiced it. And I would just be, there are just elements of concern around the Ravens that would leave me uneasy if I'm a Baltimore fan thinking you're going to go 12 and 4 and hop into January. I don't think that the course is going to be that smooth, that blissful at all.

It's going to be tough to even really get into a good situation playoff-wise at all. This is not last year. There are three back of the Steelers. That now is like a huge deficit. It's no longer like you just assume, oh, it's down to those two teams. The Patriots, though, like I'm surprised, like Ricky still has issues or she thinks Cam's not good. Like, I am loving the Cam Newton experience. We know it's not Cam Newton from 2015, like, as a thrower.

but he helps make that running game go and they love playing with Cam Newton I did not think they had this sort of game in them but like even if it's only for one season to me it's been it's like a fun experience the Cam Newton experience like basically everything bad that anyone ever said about Cam Newton it feels like it's the opposite right now

it's a lot more about his like leadership and his mind than really is athleticism that that's carrying the day yeah it's we'll look back on this as a strange time for a lot of different reasons, Cam Newton being a Patriot, one of them. But I think, I think just to kind of go back on what Mark said about the Ravens real quick, you know, my criticism of their passing game is not really Lamar-based,

and especially in the elements tonight, it's more about their scheme, like Mark mentioned, how Greg Roman's offense, I'm not saying it's necessarily one-dimensional, but it's got an element of being a little one-dimensional and being a little predictable. And I think that when they find themselves in situations like that, it's also, I think their lack of personnel still kind of hurts them. I mean, I- Can we please? Can we go out and get a number one wide receiver?

for this guy because no because we're not calling them refused to do that ever we're not going to call him marquise uh hollywood brown anymore he's now marquise recita brown because he is a number two or number three receiver he doesn't get separation please get somebody in there to help him out at the wide out position that and another the other big thing i think they're missing from last year is they lack the the depth at tight end that made their heavysets so absolutely they just can't capitalize on those mismatches anymore nick boyle had a terrible injury tonight that's going to hurt them again going down the stretch right we just mark andrews back there Boyle and Ronnie Stanley are the two best blockers by a lot of people's estimation at their positions in the entire NFL.

And Stanley's not coming back. Boyle might not be coming back. Williams and Campbell are gone. You're right. There are excuses on some level, but if those guys aren't coming back for a while, that's a problem. You know, who else is a problem? Jacobi Myers. See, there you go, Greg.

Listen, what do you have, Greg? What do you have? You have arguably the best. offensive line in football. That feels like a pretty big deal in the hour week. Top five for sure. PFF might argue it's number one. I mean, I saw all those guys ranked in the top 15 of that ranking when they flashed it up. You have an emergent running back in Damien Harris. You have a cornerback that leads league in interceptions that is not Stefan Gilmore, who hopefully will come back down the line. And you have Cam Newton who can make things happen from time to time. They're frisky. Oh, and the best head

coach of all time. So, I mean, you were playing the fiddle or the violin saying how this team is not any good. They're still pretty good. And don't rule them out sneaking in the back door of the playoffs. I'm certain. I'm stupid. All right. You're also, you're also one Jacob away from the Jacob trifecta with Jacob, Jacob, and he would just be a Jacob Hollister away from, there it is. Boom. I think Jacob and Myers is like a legal outfit on the East Coast that we grew up with also, if I'm not mistaken. It was and probably still is. All right. stuff that is the week 10 recap we have one more game to play uh vikings at bears at soldier field mark yes just to just to remind you has locked up kirk cousins on the road against the top

defense in prime time so if there's for that reason alone watch to see how good mark is at locks he's having a nice season but he's really he's really uh throwing caution to the wind uh i mean unless i switch to the bears i've got time to to pull that lever if I need to? That is a lever. But thank you, Nick Shook, of course, are helping us out. And Ricky Hollywood's going to sleep well tonight,

so I'm happy for her as well. This is Dan Hansa signing off for the Quiet Storm, the old boss. The unshookable Nick Shuck? I know. And Ricky Hollywood. Not Ricky Reseda. Although that does roll off the tongue better.

Until Tuesday. Thank you. This is an I-heart podcast.