NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2020 Week 7: Giants-Eagles TNF Recap

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by USA Today's Steven Ruiz to talk about the race for NFC East. Danny Dimes had a run for the ages, but it wasn't enough and the Eagles snuck out the win.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. From the 12, Jones keeps, gets a block, takes off and he is gone. Trying to stay upright and he trips. Absolutely all alone and he trips. Wentz, throws, passes, caught. Touchdown, Boston Scott. Jones in trouble, balls knocked out by Graham. and recovered by Philadelphia.

Is that going to win the ball game? Oohie. Another Brandon Graham forced fumble to end a big game. This is the biggest one he's ever had. The Eagles pull out an NFCE special on Thursday night football 22 to 21. I am here with the new guests of the show, Stephen Ruiz of For the Win, USA Today. he's got a podcast. We can get into all that later. But first, wow, what a perfect night to have you on, Stephen, in this beautiful mess of a game. It was 21 to 10 Eagles, I mean, Giants rather, with under five minutes to go. And the Giants, I don't normally feel bad for their fans. But wow, they have come up with some crazy ways to lose games in the last couple of years. And this felt like it topped them all. Stephen. Yeah, it was

pretty amazing how they lost this game. It's like they wanted no part of winning this game. And it's a little concerning because that's why you bring in Joe Judge. You brought him in to like bring the discipline and you know, play discipline football and smart

football and good situational football and it just didn't happen at all. No. The moment I think a lot of people remember other than Daniel Jones tripping and we'll get to that. But the the sequence to end the game that Evan Ingram has a pass right on his fingertips. I like the play call.

It's 21-16, just a little over two minutes to go. Danny Dimes puts a dime on him. And if Ingram just catches that pass, they're in field goal range. The game is over. And everyone is talking after this game, not just how pathetic the Eagles were in the red zone for most of it and how they blew it. But how, oh, this was kind of like a statement game here for Danny Dimes. It's like, well, he tripped in everything.

And, you know, he did have that interception early. But he makes like a 97-yard drive with, you know, when it matters to go up 21-10. And then he drops it in for Ingram. But Ingram, as he is wanted to do, drops the ball. And then the Eagles just go right down the field. And you heard the play call from Joe Buck. That throw to Boston Scott for the touchdown, you at least have to give Carson Wentz. credit for a beautiful throw on that play after they had been backed up.

But the Wentz experience, and the national TV audience is getting it, it is wild to watch Carson Wence each week because from play to play, you just kind of have no idea what's going to happen. Yeah, he's either like the best quarterback in the league or the worst quarterback in the league. And there's like no in between. And it was really like a stereotypical game for both of these quarterbacks. They played all the hits. It was like a greatest hits album from both of these guys.

Right, because Wenz has like, you know, there was a grounding, call on him that was huge. There were a couple nice throws early, but he also missed a couple total gimmies. And he had that interception in the red zone that helped them start one for five in the red zone. And if they had lost this game, that's what people would have been talking about. They had 10 points. And I don't know.

Do you think, I guess, just looking forward a little bit, this game was so crazy. And every Eagles game is like this now. But do you think of this NFC East that the Eagles at least have the best recipe of all these teams to maybe get it done? I don't think there's a question now. Really? After the DAC injury, I don't like, who is challenging them? Well, the Giants should have won this game. I had these, we were DMing before the game.

And I was like, I have this vision of Joe Judge getting Gatorade poured on himself as they win their sixth game. You said it would happen like they would lose. back into the playoffs that that's possible too they do have like a defensive line um and it harassed danio don't somewhat today but they they weren't exactly dominant i i like have a hard time knowing what to take out of it because i was so ready to kill uh the the eagles i really was it was pathetic but how can you when the giants have now lost 15 straight to the eagles and cowboys combined it's like well it's an amazing stat i would say this was like not a great result for the based on how the first 75% of this game was going.

I think Eagle fans were just ready. They were like, let's just end this season. Let's just blow this up and start over next year. But now there's some, it's not hope because I don't think people in Philadelphia are hopeful about this team. But reluctantly, they have to like pay attention to the season still. And they have to, you know, look at playoff scenarios and standings and point differential and all that. I don't know. I would just be tired if I was an Eagles fan at this point.

Well, they're in first place. So I think all these teams actually, how it'll probably play out is all of them are going to have to keep watching it. It's what makes the Washington Dallas game on Sunday and all these NFC East games, you know, meaningful in some way or at least you're going to have to pay attention. I have to admit, I kind of enjoyed this game. Like I was, I was entertained. I feel like everyone came into this like, oh, the NFC East on TV again. This gave us what I want. I guess, you know, like you had a moment like the Daniel Jones.

tripping and falling. You heard the call, and I'm sure everyone listening knows the play, but he had an 80-yard run in which he ran faster than Lamar Jackson has run on any play. Danny Dimes over the last two years. Sneaky athletic. Not even sneaky, but he's not an instinctual runner. Even though he's fast and you saw it, he just trips. He trips. And now it's like we can't even have fun with that after the game, or at least the beat guys can't. because, like, he's not going to be in the mood to be laughing about that right now.

No, you ask him the question anyway. Like, that's your job. You're a professional. Like, if I'm an editor and you don't ask that question, I'm firing you. I'm sorry. You have to ask that question. He's got to be so annoyed. He was laughing about it afterwards.

And he had these moments, like, you know, that 97-year drive, they are a different offense now with Sterling Shepard back. Even Wayne Galman was getting in some running plays, like, for a minute. And their defense, to me, plays, like, good situation. football like you mentioned like that's what joe judge should be but but um the eagles make that come back part of it though we should mention uh was what looked like a pretty bad deshawn jackson injury so that is another takeaway that's like the eagles just cannot get out of a game without suffering a big injury and you don't want to guess but it it looked serious and jackson's getting up there in years and you do wonder about his future yeah and you saw that first drive

Jackson was really involved, and you were thinking, oh, maybe he was the missing piece and maybe this Eagles offense, which had shown some signs the last two games of taking off. But then after that first drive, it just went back to the laboring Eagles offense that we've watched for, I guess, a year and a half now, or maybe back to 2017. Well, they, you know, they had 222 yards, I think, at halftime. They had 27 first downs for the game. And it's funny, you can tell who's watched the game or not, because everyone's given them a lot of credit for, you know, only losing by two to the, to the Ravens.

And I don't know. When you watch these eagles aim, this is it. This is kind of what you see. You sort of don't know how they get there in the end. I guess the word I would say would be sloppy. Like, even when they had 222 yards in the first half, they only had 10 points. And it just seems like there's a lot of discombobulation. And there has been a ton of injuries.

And maybe that's, maybe that's part of it. But Wentz throwing up like hope balls at least three or four times a game doesn't really have to do with injuries. And everything is so hard for Wentz. Even tonight when he was completing like corner route after corner out. Those are difficult throws and he just, nothing's easy. And when you remember the 2017 season, a lot of things were so much, so much easier for him. And that first drive kind of looked like that. Like he was going to open guys over the middle.

They were motioning. They were going up tempo. And then after that, like you said, it's just. hard and sloppy and they're just like grinding every play out he um he did make you know four or five of the best throws in this game it's not like uh daniel jones had a ton of beautiful throws you know it the giants you know in terms of working hard they're they're the team like it does feel whenever they score a touchdown or whenever even they get into field go range it just feels like ooh you know they like a lot had to go right for them it wasn't that way last year i kind

of think that here's here's a hot take for you feel free to use this you know on for the win hot take uh good year for pat shirmer like i appreciate him more in uh in the 2019 offense uh this year and you know what like after watching the broncos last week with an actual quarterback like maybe pat shirmer gets it done in denver too so i never thought the giants fans would miss pat shirmer but at this point they have to miss every i don't know they have to miss everyone they have to want to fire Dave Gettelman, and it's just so bad. I'm missing Jim Fossel right now. That's a deep cut.

I think I went back like 20 years on that one. Well, who is your team? I'm a Panthers fan. Don't tell anyone that, though. I should know that. That's fine. You know, we've got a high-ranking editor here. The Panthers fans, they're cool.

I assume you weren't like a Danny Dimes guy coming into the draft. I feel like not many people were, or even after last year, or what's your stance there? I was as much of a Danny Dynes guy as you could possibly be. I wasn't drafted him in the top 10 high on him, but I was, he's at least a late first round pick, maybe mid first round pick. I didn't hate the Giants pick. I understood why they drafted him. I didn't understand why they drafted him that highly, but yeah.

I saw some stuff at Duke. Like I saw the things that we see now. He's tough in the pocket. He'll go through his reeds almost to a fault. He'll put the ball in dangerous spots. And I thought maybe he'd learn from that, but it hasn't happened. Hasn't he played, though, to that level? I mean, I don't watch college tape at all, really, a little bit before the draft,

but I never even pretend to, you know, have a hot take. But I thought he played like a first round type pick, maybe a late first, early second round pick, but he showed a lot last year. I've been getting increasingly worried watching him this year, partly because Jason Garrett's going to ruin him. He makes some good plays tonight, but the pocket-price. presence, like on that last play, and they probably weren't going to go and, you know, drive for a game when he field goal, but that's something where it, he doesn't seem to be aware of, like,

the people around him, which you like that, like, courage, but like, that only works if you're Cam Newton and, like, people are bouncing off you. It doesn't work if you're Daniel Jones. Right. There's a fine line and he, he is on the wrong side of that line. It's like he doesn't have object permeance. Like, when a guy goes by him, an edge rush, he doesn't realize the guy can come back and hit him. So how is your Jones, like, where are you at in the Jones belief scale here? Well, I'm someone that, like, will give up on a quarterback immediately, especially with these quarterbacks coming into the draft this year.

Like, if I'm a Giants fan, I'm already thinking about Chuck Lawrence. I'm done hoping that Daniel Jones turns it around. But like you said, this is just like a terrible matchup or a terrible fit for him in Jason Garrett's offense because something that Daniel Jones does well is. quick game like he gets the ball if he gets the ball three steps gets rid of the ball but that's not the jason garret office it's five to seven step drops and he has to hold on to the ball and that's when he gets into trouble this this it's so ugly because i still i'm not giving up i don't know the giants at least seem like they have some fight to them or so it's such a lame thing to say but

i just feel like they're going to be in this thing they're going to win some of these division games somehow like the eagles are going to keep throwing to Hakeem Butler, in his first ever snap in the NFL, Hakeem Butler, all-time draft Twitter bust on his third team now. I'm going to pat myself on the back. I was an anti-Team Butler guy. That's good. That's good.

And they throw two on the goal line on fourth and goal. And that's when Danny Jimes makes the big drive. You think that was going to be it. It's not it. They lose. And it turns out, actually, Andrew Thomas, their left tackle, I think, is going to go down as like the bigger draft mistake compared to Daniel. Jones. And that's the thing with Dave Gettleman. Even if you don't agree with his

philosophy of how to build the roster, it's not even like he's good at building it the way he wants to build it. Offensive line is still horrible. The defensive line is good at stopping the run, but they can't get out to the pass or really. It's just not good. He's not even building the team in like how he envisions it. Well, the egos build it up front. Their defensive line is still healthy. Maybe they get some some people back on the offensive line. Lane Johnson was in and out. This game, this result did make me think, okay, maybe they can scratch out these NFC East wins. Maybe they can get to seven or eight wins. And keep us from caring about the Washington football team and the New York Giants the rest of the year. You know, we care about you,

Stephen. We're glad you joined us tonight. I appreciate you doing it. You're at for the win, a USA Today joint. What's the name of your podcast? The Counter. The Counter. I knew that. everyone check out the counter download it Stephen is an awesome follow on Twitter you should follow him there and the stuff he does for the win he's one of the best best young guys in the game

I don't even know how young you are but you look young so I appreciate you're young thanks for joining me Stephen for Erica Tamposi who's behind the mic we will be back here on Sunday for our recap show congratulations Eagles fans

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