NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2021 Week 11 Recap

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap all of the week 11 games starting with the Sunday Night Football classic between the Steelers and Chargers- a game so good, we left in the fourth in the quarter. Nick Shook stops by to talk about the Browns and the Bills and the Titans had a stunning game against Houston. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. The three of us, along with Ricky Hollywood, she got her credential. We're at SoFi Stadium about an hour ago watching the Steelers Chargers clash. And I hate to say it, Gregie, but we blew it in a big spot. We leave. I'm looking at the game summary here. and we're going to get to all the games Week 11 played Sunday

in just a bit. But we leave at 3420. Austin Eccler goes in from five yards out, seven place 75 yards, 247 possession. It was like, oh, Pittsburgh, they're just never going to get a stop. As soon as we leave the fucking building, we get Pittsburgh Steelers,

five-yard touchdown pass, 34, no, we get a Eric Ebron touchdown, nine place 75 yards. we get an interception by the Chargers. Pat Firemuth, five yards. Touchdown two yards, two plays 11 yards, 34, 34, Boswell, 45-yard field goal.

After a interception that went off of a helmet. 37, 34. There was a block punt earlier. We did see that. And then a classic ending for the Chargers and their fans. There weren't a lot of them in that building, but a classic ending and we're going to get to all of it. But Mark, you know, we left before the classic part of the game

enter the equation. I know you were upset to see all those Steelers fans sad at the end of the game and miss out on that. Did get to see Cam Hayward punch Justin Herbert on the ground. That's when I decided to leave at one point. I mean, it was, I remember growing up, I used to get on this one kid because he had a story that he and his dad left game six of Mets Red Sox when he was a youth. I was like, I would never myself do that. Well, I'm not saying it's the equal because the stakes weren't even remotely close. But my close, it's not our team, and we were coming back to record a show. That's true. But I would just say that it's the first time I've ever found myself in this situation

where, like, theatrics and amazing moments happened after I was not in the building. I very, I came very close to going back into the building. We had the press pass, but I couldn't get any internal support. Well, I don't know if, yeah, we could have gotten in the same. The thing that was crazy about it, though, is we left during the Steelers, touchdown drive, which made it 34 to 27. So that drive started with under nine minutes to go. Right.

We were watching on TV here, and that drive wasn't over yet. That's how close we are to getting back that we got back within a four-minute drive from the game, from the press box to here. That is an amazing thing. I mean, Greg was taken in a private helicopter from the press box to where the roof of our building. I'm just saying that's an amazing thing. The stadium was amazing. And, yeah, like, Chargers fans get a lot of grief because fans come in and take their stadium.

Number one, a lot of Steelers fans were walking out with us when we left. One, they were down by two touchdowns. So bad job by you guys because your team went and took a lead later on. And then second of all, the atmosphere where there's two different fan bases cheering, like, okay, that's not great if you're a Chargers fan. But it's pretty cool. Like, the Chargers fans were still loud in there, and the Steelers fans were loud.

And, like, as someone who's not a fan of either, it's just like, it's a cool atmosphere. All right. Let's start going through the games, and we'll start with the game that we were at, but missed out all the fun on. Let's head to SoFi Stadium with the great Matt Money Smith on the call. Oh, Sunday night. There comes the blitz. Throw outside. The numbers caught.

Left sideline, 25, 20, Mike Williams. Colonels into the end zone. Touchdown! Chargers 53 yards Oh, Bongo's right out the gate And I want money to know Because money listens to the show

And he is the voice of God For the Round the NFL podcast And the voice of the Chargers Is that we got back here late And I said, hey, we got to get the money call Not the Westwood one call Not the Al Michaels call the money call And Ricky and Gravedigger said

It's going to be an extra 10 minutes or so And I said it's worth it He's the voice of God And that's one of the big plays in recent Chargers history, Justin Herbert, to Mike Williams for 53 yards. It is the game winning score, one of the craziest games of the season. 4137. The Chargers beat the Steelers, a game that featured 27 points from the Steelers in the fourth quarter. Many of them coming after we had left the building mark, a game that looked like it was in the Steelers' back pocket.

They let it in the charges back pocket. The Steelers storm back, but somehow L.A. finds away, Sizzler. Well, I'm stunned by what we watched. Although, I mean, I feel like if someone told me before the game, will this thing go down to the end because it is the Chargers? I would have said yes. But, I mean, to think that the Steelers are 0 and 230, this stunning stat when trailing by 17 in the fourth quarter of games,

that they climbed back out of it. That thing threw me right there. But it was a series of Chargers' mistakes that opened the door. and then at the end, because I think their offense had been so hot all night long. At one point, it was like 400-something yards to about 170 for the Steelers. They were moving the ball at will. Justin Herbert was running wild on them, and it was a very chargers-esque almost ending, and they climbed their way out of it.

I mean, the charges scored on their first five possessions. But in weird charges fashion, they actually had more possessions in the fourth quarter than they did in the first three combined, and that included the block punt. We did see that, Danny. I mean, we didn't miss everything. We saw some dimes from Justin Herbert. I mean, the throw that he had to Allen in the first quarter, like the whole shot, and then the 30-yard BB down the field in the third quarter,

like those were amazing to see live. Then you get an interception, a fluky play off a helmet. You go for it on fourth down in your own end. And when they didn't get it, this is the moment where the Steelers have a chance to go win the game, put a touchdown in. And this is the moment where you say, like, if Herbert doesn't win this game, this is catastrophic. He's got to go down and make a drive. And he had a chance to make a drive because the Steelers went three and out right after they didn't get the fourth down.

So that's part of the reason why you go for the fourth down because your defense can pick you up. They did. And then instead of everything crumbling like you said it would have, and that this was a big moment in Chargers history, that Herbert was going to become part of Chargers' like lore in terms of being curfing. First, he didn't do it. Well, yes, what I said before the Mike Williams play was with the world falling down and 45,000 Steelers fans waving towels in L.A. going nuts. If the Chargers blew this game in front of Al Chris Michelle in the world and Herbert was right in the middle of it, even if he had played a good game overall, a great game overall, to me it's like he's part of this now. He's part of all this Chargers pain and it's very real.

and any Charger fan, no matter where you are in the country, knows that. And yet, I thought that was kind of like the big overarching story is that Justin Herbert, and I know it was a busted coverage by Pittsburgh and Collinsworth pointed it out correctly that there's no way you have a busted coverage in that spot on the Williams TD if Minka Fitzpatrick is playing. And there's so many big time players of the Steelers that were out, including T.J. Watt and Joe Hayden and Fitzpatrick. So the fact that they were almost able to come back and win really is a testament. And Big Ben played well in this game. But to me, Justin Herbert's ability to say, no, no, no, no, screw all that, the ghosts of the past.

Screw the fact that there are 45,000 people from Pennsylvania ready to party in our building. I am going to make sure we leave a winner. And if you're a charges fan, you just have to be pinching yourself that you have somebody who has that power. And I mean, Justin Herbert all night long was showing us who he was. And it was, you know, it's his arm, it's the dimes he threw. I was just so impressed with how he kept fillet in the Steelers on the ground. 90 yards off nine carries. So many of those that move the chains.

And the Steelers climbing back in. I mean, it wasn't, I want to call it fluky because they made the plays they needed to play. But they had a touchdown drive that was 11 yards, a field goal drive that was seven, and it's another touchdown drive with a net yards of three yards. I mean, it's like they were just set, they were put in position. to climb back into this thing in a fluky way. And the Chargers, their offense, which have been cooking all game long, answered when they needed to.

You're right. He would have been baked in Justin Herbert into that scenario that the Chargers have lost in like 34 games in this scenario in the fourth quarter since 2011. And there have been one of those this year. But in past years, there were multiple. He is not part of that story. He is not.

Well, a little bit last year, they were cursed. But they finish strong. Both these teams need to evolve or they're not going to go anywhere. They're flawed teams right now. But we've seen that teams can change during the season. This was Ben's best game of the season. So it wants to get their defensive players back. That's something good to feel about.

This Chargers defense, though, it's a problem. Herbert, though, 382 and 90, no one's ever put up that in the history of the NFL. That many yards throwing and that many yards rushing. That's a score you've got on me I can get behind. There you go. I mean, I do think it's important. There's no Watt in this game. There's no Mika Fitzpatrick.

I think there were plays where had Mika Fitzpatrick been in the game, it would have been very different for the Chargers. But every team's dealing with that. And we will see where the Steelers go from here. Again, they're 5-4-1. They had the embarrassing tie last week. They really fought their butts off to get back into this game. But, you know, at the end of the day, they're cooked into that the mediocre stew that has become the AFC North. So they still have a chance to make a playoff run.

The Chargers do too. But you're right, Greg. Neither of these teams are perfect. Neither of these teams profile is a true Super Bowl contender. But look at the rest of the league right now. You can look at any team, really, and say, ah, not a true Super Bowl team. Well, there's going to be two teams playing in the Super Bowl.

Great game. And Austin Eckler, by the way, four touchdowns. A little under the radar. It was nice to be at a football game altogether. I know we were there in London, but it wasn't the whole group. and this was our first game together since we were all together. I mean, we saw the last Super Bowl that the Chiefs won when West was with it. We saw David Justice.

We saw Snoop Dogg. We saw Mike Tyson. I mean, there was a lot of stuff happening outside of the tick-tack of the game. I mean, there's a lot of visual feast. It's a great stadium. That was a lot of fun, even if we blew it. Anyway, there are more games to get to. So, Ricky, let us roll on.

A 29-yard field. goal to win the game against the eight and two packers right hash and joseph snapped spot joseph yes he did he walked off on the green bay packers hit him joseph paul allen with a call k f a and joseph joseph went off again eight for 169 and two touches and greg joseph booted that 29 yard field goals time expired to give the Vikings a 34, 31 win over the Packers. Just a classic back and forth game, two division rivals that hate each other. Loved it.

Loved this game. You're a Vikings fan at this point. I think that's made clear to the listener. Well, they're the team of Zeus Thiel. And I said on Thursday, I thought the Vikings were going to win this game because they are a real deal team. They are a team that can let you down.

They could go lay an egg in their next game. That would not surprise me. either. But when they are playing well, they can beat anybody in the league. And a lot of that goes back to their offense. And when Justin Jefferson is being used in the right way, as he's been used these last two weeks. And when Kirk Cousins is playing at a level, Greg, do you know the stat? I believe it is D-Y-A-R? Yeah, yards over replacement, basically. He is second in the NFL now, Kirk Cousins, in that stat. I mean, he is having an incredible season. I mean, the stat that he has literally the highest completion percentage since next gen stats has kept track of it

on throws over 10 yards is outrageous in the last five years kirk cousin seasons right now that's down the field throws it's not those things and done so what's happening here is that cousins is playing better than ever jefferson is arguably i think the best wide receiver in football you have the best second banana in adam thieland and then dalvin cook and it was just a great game and Aaron rogers played brilliantly as well on the other side of the football um and it just came down to Minnesota got the ball last and they made the kick and went home. And afterwards, Mike Zimmer, he, you know, he's sick of this. The Vikings have held a lead of at least seven or more points in every game this year.

And all of their games have been decided by one score. It's taking years off the man's life and you can hear it in his press conferences. Sundays are not fun. You know, they say Sunday's fun day. It is not at all. I mean, like, I'm sorry, but Mike Zimmer has never participated in what we, would call a Sunday fun day is Sunday doesn't even know they say that though who says that did they say Sunday is funny I don't know but I you know what I actually is a term Sunday okay I

maybe not for Greg but I think Zimmer is our spirit animal animal a little bit and Ricky let's we should trim that take that drop for the future because that was fun anyway great game like I said Rogers cousins going at it back and forth before the game winning kick Greg for the Vikings it was Rogers with a beautiful rainbow strike to MVS for 75 yards. It was just that type of game. You know, you score too quick. You don't want to give your cousins that much time to go back. It's for real.

When he gets a chance to put them in position to win this year, almost every time he's done it. One thing that struck me just statistically is the Packers pressured cousins on over 40% of his throws, which is a really high number. So for cousins, who after the game said, that maybe he was even a little too aggressive and he got away with something. I was like, don't think that, Kirk. This Kirk that we've seen the last two weeks, especially,

where you've been so aggressive is why you've won these games. Well, it's two weeks in a row where, you know, again, we all have Vikings friends that are fans and they've been out of their minds. They've closed games two weeks in a row. This is as big as it gets for them. And the Packers come out of it banged up. Elton Jenkins, they think he might have torn his ACL. That's a huge loss for them.

Aaron Rogers has this toe injury that he said is worse than turfail. Do we have that, Ricky? Do we have Rogers? Let's see Rogers on X. This is notable. Yeah, I mean, it's very, very painful. Got stepped on in the first half and that kind of activated all the symptoms I was having. So it's going to be another painful week next week and then hopefully start to feel a little better than by.

Dude, man, you ever walk in the middle of the night through your house and like bang your big toe on like the edge of a door? I want to punch someone in the head when that happens. Like this is three times, ten times worse than that. We'll see. He was moving well in this game. And he actually threw four touchdown passes all on Green Bay's final four possessions. So I mean, it's funny because this might, I got to watch it, but it's up there as the best game, the Packers offense has had all year. They were great. And they didn't even, you know, it's funny because you, A.J. Dillon, all the talk around him, he didn't really, they never really gave him a chance to get things going. He, but he was active. He was active in the passing game. So he, he had a role with it. But it was really, you know, Devante Adams, Aaron Rogers. is being unstoppable, MVS making a big play down the field. So I'm not worried about their offense, but it does remind you again, and we all talked up Green Bay's defense over the past three weeks or so. It's like even the defenses that we decide are quote-unquote good,

then the game comes like this, like, oh, well, you know, on any week. They're good for like six days while we talk them up and then they get whacked. They seem to do that. It's good for this division, though, because it brings, it makes it 10 times more interesting. All right. Let us move on. So the Vikings, they get a big win. And now we head to Arrowhead where the Cowboys were looking to make a statement. Four man rush. Chiefs pushed the pocket again. They hit Prescott. They'll sack Prescott. A five-sack performance by the Chiefs. Chris Jones. That is his fourth sack of this game. Mitch Holtus with the call WDAF. They gave him credit for a half sack there.

Which, come on. When you have a game like Chris Jones had on Sunday, you give him the full sack. The other guy will understand. Chris Jones finished with three and a half sacks. He forced to fumble also, recovered another. Travarius White, Legerius Sneed, both intercepted Dak Prescott and big points of the game. And the AFC West leading chiefs roll, 199 over the Calv. Greg, we all expected, all right, let's admit it.

We hoped for an epic shootout. Instead, Casey's fast-improving defense did the heavy lifting. It was a shocking final, 19 to 9 in Chiefs Cowboys. Dak was out of it. Mistrows, discombobulated, Steve Spagnolo, blitzed them into smithereens. They didn't have Tyrant Smith in this game. They're left tackle. Amari Cooper, of course, got.

COVID. Then C.D. Lamb left that halftime. But it was ugly in the first half, too. So you can't just put it on the injuries. It was the Chief's defense. And again, you give him so much praise. I'm not saying it's going to happen week after

week, but they were just aggressive. They were open field tackling. Like I said, they were blitzing. He got blitzed I think on 14 different throws and he ended up with 54 yards and an interception on those throws. And usually, Dak Prescott's kind of known as the who kills the Blitz.

So it was an unconventional strategy. And on a day where Patrick Mahomes basically had the same stat line as all those games where everyone were killing the Chiefs offense, he ends up with 260 yards and a pick on 37 attempts. The pick was fluky. The Chiefs wouldn't go in a way. And you never really felt that it was that close

because the Chief's defense, and especially Chris Jones, just gave it to him over and over. I don't know what to think. I mean, it must have been frustrating as a Cowboys fan when you're trying to get back in this game. And the offense, Dallas offense, because the D played well for the Cowboys. So they kept on giving the ball back to Dak and setting them back on the field. It's like, all right, come on, get going, get us back in this game, take a lead, go win the game.

But then when you lose C.D. Lamb, when you have a Marikouber, by the way, was not vaccinated. So not only is he out this game, he's missing Thanksgiving. He's killing his team. You find the Cowboys having to target Cedric Wilson. over and over again trying to mount a comeback. Michael Galp, who was on IR, is now your number one wide receiver. And it just felt like they were a little short-handed when they really needed to be explosive. It's just like this is now two out of three weeks where the Cowboys are looking very human.

And if you're a Cowboys fan, you're a little bit nervous. You never want to peek too early did the Cowboys peak. I'm not there yet, but it's just it's on the radar after the last three weeks. Or they're like 89% of the league, which is. going to give you an inconsistent product. That's just fine with that. I was not ready to believe in Kansas City's defense. They gave up 17 to the Giants, seven to a Jordan Love-led Packers team, throw that out

the window, and that wipeout against the Raiders. I buy into this. I realize Dallas was down, guys, but they just seem to have their act together. That's a full month of games right there where they aren't the mess they were early on in the season. Right. To me, I buy that. And for Dallas, like, I don't care about the Broncos game.

But it's two of three weeks with shaky results. But they played three games and 12 games in 12 days. And to not have Amari Cooper for two of them is a killer. Tyran Smith, I think, is the most important of all of them. But we'll see if it looked like Lamb was getting his head checked out. Maybe it was a concussion. It sounded like that's a problem. They have the Raiders on Thanksgiving.

We'll get into that during the week. But I think some of the Chief's defensive resurgence is sustainable because A, Spags does this year after year where they start slow and they finish strong. And then B, Melvin Ingram was a nice pickup. He's made plays in these games. They've put Chris Jones at defensive tackle again instead of having them on the end, and he was dominant in this game. And Frank Clark's been good for three straight weeks.

So suddenly your two best players are playing like the guys you're paying $20 million a year for. And like, that's sustainable. Those guys can keep winning. And even though I pointed out the box score looked the same and the final score was the same, the Chiefs did start this game with, you know, 17 points in their first three drives. and made big plays when they needed to. I don't think it was a terrible offensive performance either. Maybe what ultimately, like right now in the NFL,

what it means to have a good defense is to have a defense that can carry you for a stretch of time, like two or three weeks or even a month when your offense isn't quite right. And they can get you some wins that you would lose typically because there aren't just a lot of dominant defenses in the league right now. And a dominant player for the Cowboys is Micah Parsons, who has that defensive rookie of the year locked up. He was unstoppable in this game. two sacks forced to fumble.

He was a big time player in this game. I love that theory because we keep propping up defense, A, B, and C during the week. And if the expectation is we really are only saying they'll be good for about a fortnight, then we're off that. Like, we look a lot better. Well, it's like a matchup thing, too. Yeah, like they're capable of carrying you. But they're not going to do it.

Yeah, Parsons had more pressures, by the way, in this game. I think that then it was a PFF stat than any player ever or something. like that or a certain amount of years it was over 12 he was at 12 and he got to 13 or 14 pressures in one game i believe the chiefs were held to 276 yards uh wait was that let me and they only scored the chiefs had the ball check on that to your point about keep getting the ball back after they scored uh 16 points because of a missed extra point in the first three drives they go punt punt fumble interception punt field goal miss field go punt so the cowboy's defense did what they could to keep this.

Dan Quinn, baby, assistant coach of the year, candidate. The Cowboys were held to 276 yards. This is the highest scoring offense in the league held to five of 15 on third down. They need to get healthy. And Dak has to play a little bit better. Oh, the Wesleying brothers. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, they're slump.

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Whoa. Matt Taylor, Rick Venturi, the call for WFNI. Jonathan Taylor set a franchise record with five touchdowns. And he took over the NFL lead in both yards rushing and TDs. And the Colts route the spiraling Buffalo Bills 4115 in Orchard Park. It doesn't matter anymore. But it was in Buffalo. You should know that.

Shucky, we welcome him aboard now. The Pipe joins us. The Colts looked like the better team from the kickoff in this game. And Jonathan Taylor has just entered into the MVP chat. Don't you agree? Yeah, I would absolutely agree. I mean, you're the rushing leader and you're doing it with emphasis. And I think no more emphatic than this game today.

And, you know, the Colts, they got off the bus ready to play. And it was clear in their first drive. They went 11 plays for 65 yards, captored with a Taylor touchdown. They get a turnover. and they turned that into another touchdown via a pass. They punched the bills in the mouth. They proved to them that going to Orchard Park did not scare them, playing in inclement weather, did not scare them

because they have right now the NFL's best running back in terms of overall rushing yards in Jonathan Taylor, who was the engine that powered them offensively with his five touchdowns. And really, the bills had no answer. I mean, for the entire game, they had no answer. It's not even that their offense couldn't keep up. Defensively, they could not stop Jonathan Taylor, who has been this type of running back for a lot of this,

year, but we aren't going to look at his season and think of a game quicker than this one because of how he did it. He ripped off long runs. He scored in goal to go situations. He caught passes. He did everything that was asked of him. It's the next step in what I think is a progression in his career. It's still very early, of course, but it started in the second half of last year where he started to build this positive momentum. He's carried it over into this year, and he's developed himself more as a back. He's not just a downhill runner who's capable of ripping off a long run. He's guy you have to account for on every down. And the bills simply did not do that defensively today. Josh Allen also had a rough day, a couple of interceptions that were ugly, and they had no answer

for them when they had the ball. And that's how you get a blowout. I mean, to Dan's question, and this is more about the bills, and their up and down struggles on offense, but wouldn't you say that Jonathan Taylor hopscotched Josh Allen in the MVP race? Yeah, it's funny because they opened the broadcast in CBS talking, waxing poetic almost, about how Josh Allen is a legitimate MVP candidate and he's the reason that the bills are where they are right now. And frankly, I think the bills have relied on him too much to this point. And they couldn't rely on him very much. Not that he's been bad, but he has not been a top five quarterback this year. What are we talking about all? He's been a good quarterback who had a bad game, but at no point

is he an MVP candidate to me. Carson Wentz, by the way, throws for 106 yards in this game. And that's all right, because when you have Taylor going off the way that he did and the defense playing as well as they did, it doesn't matter. I thought a turning point in the game shook or maybe just kind of a, whoa, where are we at right now? Because remember, the bills were slumping on offense leading into week 10 and then beat up the Jets who are a joke. And now they go up against good competition again, and we see what happens here. And there was a moment in the third quarter. They're down multiple scores. They're facing a fourth and about around six, if I recall.

And they opt for a long, I think 55 in that range yard field goal attempt overgoing for it, which predictably goes horribly awry. And then the Colts go right down the field and score and end the game. I mean, that to me really spoke a lot about both teams. Yeah, first off, not a confidence in the bill's offense to be able to convert that fourth down, but also Tyler Bass's second missed field goal of the day. You know, like I said, inclement weather, so it wasn't the best situation for them. But you know how a game can go your way in a number of different ways?

Carson Wentz had a nice play where he scrambled. He looked like vintage Carson Wentz before everything that he's dealt with in the last few years. It can also go awry for another team. And it was like that for the Bills with even in their kicking situation where they just had no confidence in what they were doing and knew they were getting bullied on the field and just capped a terrible day for them. That's got to make their fans think because two weeks ago, they lose that game to Jacksonville. And it's like, what is going on with the Bills?

Then they come back, like you said, dominate the Jets. I think they're back to where they were against Jacksonville. What is wrong with our team? Why can't we put up the points that we were capable of putting up? And why can't we get a stop? So kind of a soul-searching week, I think, I had for the bills. Plus, inclement weather is something that's going to be happening in Buffalo. So it's like if you're not built for that.

Exactly. They should be constructed to deal with that. And I think they'll be fine. But them beating Kansas City so badly to get to 4-1, and now we're sitting here with them at 6 and 4 is one of the most surprising things to happen in this entire NFL. I know there's a lot of like up is down, down is up in the NFL, but them hitting the skids this hard is shocking to me.

I don't think it's quite as shocking that Mark's Colts. You know, he spun the wheel and it decided which fan he was going to be for the rest of the time. Have they lost since? And he said he said he wasn't interested in them, that they were boring, that he has to be convinced. And yet here they are. Whether they are a big time playoff team or not, they are going to be in the center of the rest of this season. Not only are they six and five, but they got the bucks next week. they got the Colt the Patriots at home coming up they're at Arizona so there's just going to be like a lot of big time games involving the Colts can I respond yes my response I fucked up because first of all I already said on our network show a couple weeks ago that I was wrong about this the Colts the Colts are good okay they're good they've not they've scored under 25 points once since week three and it it's it what we thought about Indianapolis in the off season was not even

this. This is superseding what we hoped maybe you could accomplish with Carson Wentz. We knew Jonathan Taylor was good. We knew the defense was good. They're rounding into something completely different. And for everyone tweeting me about some quote I made about the cults, like you know, 35 days ago, I've

already told you I was wrong. It's one of 800 things I'm wrong about. What if they didn't see the network show? You know, they don't know that. Well, in general, I'm telling you right now. You have to, because this podcast is canon. So if you say it on the TV show, that's good, but you have to come back and say it on this program. universe yes right good vibes too uh i watched like the the very long like hype speech and the celebrations afterwards and i i love the moment when t y hilton uh gave his coach some love

he always played he got us ready he got us prepared to kick that ad for this game ball it's my head coach oh that's nice that's a good head guy i got a district I got to defend Mark real quick. They haven't beaten a team that was of legitimate quality until today. They didn't have a win against the team with the winning record until today. That's fine. They blew big leads against the Titans and the ratings. They're good.

They're good. All right. So the Colts are surging, you know, getting into that division race, not completely out of the picture either, but they still have a long hill to climb there. But they're certainly in the playoff mix on a dangerous team because Taylor is magnificent. Let's move on. They're going to direct snap. the ball to Jarvis Landry. Landry's going to roll to the left. He's looking. He's coming

and he's going to run. 10, 5. He's thriving in touchdown. Jarvis Landry, his first touchdown of the year. There you go, Brownies. Jim Donovan with the call WKRK. You got a win there. Jarvis Landry scored from 16 yards out. Nick Chubb loudly announced his return with 130 ground yards and a receiving score. The Brown's edge past the windless lines. 1310 at the dog pound. Shucky, this by the final score and highlights this didn't seem pretty,

but the Brown stopped the bleeding after last week's unsightly setback in Foxborough. Yeah, I think that touchdown that we just played kind of captured exactly what the Brown's offense is right now. They have to resort to putting Jarvis Landry in the shotgun and then just let him freelance and find an open field in the middle to rush for a touchdown. I mean, they don't have any rhythm offense. But, and I think today, frankly, they probably lose to 29 of the 32 teams in the NFL with the way they play. There's two teams they beat in this in this type of game.

It's Detroit and it's Jacksonville. They got a lot of work to do. I don't really know where the answers are. Their offense is a mess. Baker Mayfield does not look good because of his injuries and whatever else. But they were lucky to have Nick Chub back, 22 carries 130 yards. He was able to pace the offense and then close the game out in a tight one. But you can't feel too confident other than the fact that.

You added another tally to the wind column, and they all count the same. So you're six and five, and you move forward from here. So you've got, if you're the Cleveland Browns, you've got at this stage the most critical juncture in your season. You've got the Ravens, a much-needed buy week to get some people healthy. And then the Ravens again. So three weeks from now, we're going to know basically what this team's all about. I think they are impossible to figure out other than the fact that I sit on the fact that they are an average team that cannot get out of their own way. and yes it's injuries for Baker Mayfield

but I see a lot of other things going on with him I was watching this out of the corner of my eye and honestly it was one of my more enjoyable Sundays not to fully ride the journey Mark was really in a good mood all Sunday I will wait until they are vaguely enjoyable again but Chuck I would this is I'm not trying to be talk radio person

but if this is the Baker we get from now until the end of the season injuries or not does it maybe operate as a blessing in disguise for the front office. They have this incredibly tough decision coming up where this extension talk makes no sense at this point. He's not earned an extension. Right, but to me, the decision's so easy.

They have no decision to make. They're not going to give them. He did ask the question. Yeah. I'm just saying. Well, no, you're right. It is a question in Cleveland. No one's saying that they don't have no decision to make.

That's not true. Absolutely. I get texts from friends who are Browns fans. Chuck Whitlock, who is one of our former researchers of the network. He's moved on since then. He's an avid Browns fan. He texts me every son. and he told me the same thing, which is basically, we got to move on.

Like, this is, this guy's not the guy. But by decision, you mean get rid of him this offseason? Because he's under contract for a very cheap number next year. No, but Greg, Greg, it's not that no one's talked about what to do with Baker Mayfield long term because they have the fifth year. I'm with you, but like, it's not a great situation for Baker Mayfield either. It's not a great look optics-wise to just- Well, he didn't talk to the media. Mary Kay Cabot said nothing in particular happened to,

caused that he was booed aggressively so maybe he was in his feelings who knows you don't want to guess why he didn't talk to the media but he kind of storm apparently like kind of walked off the field didn't celebrate didn't shake any hands it seems like if you kind of read between the lines if you're tracking the team he's you know dreadfully beat up he has all different sorts of injuries to his knee his left shoulder his foot and he's getting booed in his own building and he's there's probably a lot of frustration now we'll see if it was simply out of frustration that he didn't talk because that's not the right way to play it either because you just invite the firestorm of uh you know everyone to talk about you talking heads debating your future it just

adds more fuel to the fire that said i think it's notable uh what i'm hearing for both shook and mark uh for the first time like browns fans starting to grapple with the idea that maybe may feel isn't the guy going forward because i haven't really heard that from browns fans till this point, so it feels like things are starting to shift a little bit now. That's maybe more what I mean too, just that, like, yeah, they can figure this out, but, like, there's a polar shift for me in terms of the Mayfield experience

over the last couple weeks, and just one off season with a bunch of, like, glowing reports about, hey, they're back in sync, it's not going to do it. They've got questions. Right. My thing with, like, talking about the future is now's the team that they're trying to win a Super Bowl with right now. That's what they've got to be worried about. Good luck with that,

Joan of Arc. That's not happening with this team right now. There's six and five. I know, but there's six games left of the season. There's a lot to go. I think it happened. Right. And even when you're thinking about next year, like, are, would they real, like, there's no way he's getting extension this off season.

Is there any chance that they would move off of him this year? Maybe because they have a piece that you could get involved in a Russell Wilson or Rodgers. Yeah. It's such a long way to go. Because they do get a buy. There's still a lot of football. The AFC is wide open. We've seen the Browns in their top gear, even when they're not consistent.

They were really impressive when they're playing. well. But right now, there's a lot of doubt around the organization, and I see how it's starting to, you know, the quarterback situation is back under the microscope again. Also, my Tim Boyle could win a game on Thanksgiving prediction is not looking good with 77 yards and two interceptions. I mean, if Chicago's... How do you only win by three when Tim Boyle had 77 yards and two interceptions, Nick? If Chicago's plane goes the direction of like Amelia Earhart's plane, that's your Tim Boyle victory, Greg. I mean, is anyone start? I know it's a very popular take? Is anyone going to start coming to my side and take Thanksgiving away from the

lines for just a little bit? I'm with you. Let's see what they do. Maybe they'll surprise them like a teenager. We'll give you the keys back to the 94 Civic, but you just got to chill. You're not getting the keys back either. All right. One more game before we say goodbye to Shook. Let's head to the desert. Third down and goal from the six. Shotgun snap. Burrow from the pocket. Throws toward the back left corner of the end zone. Caught by Chase. Touchdown!

Oh, it was the crossroads games. On the 2021 NFL schedule, the Cincinnati Bengals, they were heading down. The Raiders, they were heading down. Somebody, there was a fork in the road. The crossroads were there, and only one team could take the correct path, and it was Cincinnati Bengals. The killer combination of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, strike again. the pair connected for the clinching touchdown in the fourth quarter.

It was a 29-13 win over the fading Raiders at Allegiant Stadium. Legion, Legion, I don't even know what that word means. Joe Mixen added two touchdowns as well and what's been an excellent season for the halfback. Shook, this is a much-needed win for Cincinnati that puts them on the right path. And like I said, crossroads. The Raiders just turned down a dark road. Yeah, huge crossroads for the Bengals coming off that blowout loss to the grounds going into the by week. And they spent that by week very productively, evidently,

based on how they played on Sunday. I mean, their defense was stellar for the majority of the game. They only gave up one significant, yeah, one of them, they only give up one significant touchdown drive early in the fourth quarter. And then they answered. They responded with a long drive to put the game away cat by a touchdown by Joe Mix. And it was, uh, or actually it was a touchdown pass to Jamar Chase. It was a, it was a complete performance, I think. Um, you know, this is the Bengals team that was at the top, the AFC in October. This is, this is how they played today. And And then on the Raiders side, it's, hey, offense, wake up before the fourth quarter. Your defense is playing its tails off to keep you in the game and you're not holding up your end of the bargain.

And we've seen this too often from the Raiders, I think, which is, you know, one game they can come out and light it up. They lit it up very early in the season, but they haven't played complimentary football for the entire season. And that's ultimately what sank them today. And you have to wonder, you know, the whole, the Bissaccia, the boost from going to interim head coach that's long gone now. And you just got, oh, the bump. I don't know if bump was positive or negative connotation. Right, I'll show you a bump. The Basashi bump.

They took a few bumps and not the good time on Sunday. Yeah, they, I watch this game too shook and Vegas was just so flat offensively in this game. I like a nice butt smack once in a while. I know, but we don't talk about that. That's not me today, just to be clear. Be careful with that. And I know they got, if you look at the box car, they got Darren Waller back involved. The loss of Henry Ruggs from a pure team perspective,

it was a real tough blow. It just feels like this offense needs to be opened up more. Derek Carr, if you look, and I'm sure his ranking in the QB index has started to go south with this slump as well. They're just not as dynamic as they need to be, and they weren't able to hang with a Bengals team that had its own offensive problems early in this game,

but Las Vegas just never was able to turn it on. That's three straight losses, by the way. How about Joe Burrow? Go ahead, Greg. No, please. Joey B. I mean, Joe Burrow threw four. He threw for less than 150 yards.

They typically lose this game, right? In a regular setting, they typically end up winning by, what was it, 19 points. I mean, that's 29 throws, too. Not like that's a ton, but that's wild. And yet, the key play of the game to me was that six-yard throw to chase with about five minutes left to put them up nine. And that's a pretty throw on third down. There is something to Joe Burrow, like in big moments. I know he's had some fourth quarter interceptions, but that was a big moment.

and he got it done. And how about the Eli Apple Redemption Tour right now? Big time interception in a key spot. There was a sequence here where the Raiders had got 14 straight third down fails. That's hard to do. 14 straight third down failures. And the Bengals are now one win away from topping their over under in Vegas. If they won next week, they had the Steelers.

If you go sweep the Steelers, they are in fantastic position. angles. And you've maybe wiped away some of the questions about who are they at the basic level after a very wayward couple of weeks. Yeah, because at that point, you're, let's see, two-thirds of the way through your divisional schedule with a date with the Ravens and a date with the Browns left. I mean, you're in a great spot in a division that's very winnable. A team that many of us expected to finish last in the division is positioned right now to be in it until the end. And if they play like this, they've got to be a little bit better offensively. but if they can get this type of play from their defense,

I mean, they're going to be a tough out no matter who they play for the remainder of the season and very interesting to watch. At one point they lost, remember 15 straight road games? They are four and two on the road. Five of their last seven games are at home. There's such an important win for Cincinnati because it did feel like the storm clouds were gathering.

That was an example of a perfect time for a buy, and they were able to reset things. They got this win, and now they have a big matchup against Pittsburgh next week, but now you can go into that with confidence. And if you're the Raiders, everybody's like, oh, they're doing the same thing they did last year and the year before. No, they didn't. That's different.

This year is different. They collapsed in November this year, last year and the year before, it was December. So it's not the same season. Well, they're overachieving on a weird, in a weird way this time. Right. They're ahead of the curve in a lot of ways. That's organizationally what you want to be. Shoki, you look great.

You talk great. And we appreciate having you on the show every week. I'm overwhelmed. I don't know what to say. Thanks. There he goes, the heart of Cleveland. Nick shook. All right. Let's take a break and then move on.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right. to Nick Shook, and let us now head to Chicago. The give is to Freeman left side. Touchdown. The Ravens. Devonty Freeman, and the Ravens have taken the lead with 22 seconds left in Chicago. Wow.

Great. I don't know if you heard the background audio there. It was like great work by the guy with the thing, the dish, the parabolic mic guy. Yeah, yeah. Seemed like a crowd from like the mid-night. 1930s. They were lathered up. Jerry Sandusky with the call WBAL, subbing for an ill Lamar Jackson.

Tyler Huntley led a winning drive. Capaya Devanta Freeman three-yard run with 22 seconds to play. It allowed the Ravens to escape with a 1613 win over Dabares. Mark, the Ravens danced with the devil in this one, lived to tell the tale. That means they almost lost to a crappy team,

but then they didn't. Yeah, and like a sliver of reality would have made this the game where we're talking about Andy Dalton coming in and replacing a Justin Fields who has left the game with banged up ribs and, you know, with under two minutes to go, it's fourth and six for the bears. Okay, Jason Peters had a false start making it fourth and 11, and this was Chicago's final shot against Baltimore. and Andy Dalton zips a rope to Marcus Goodwin for a touchdown. They're up 13-9. And then it's Tyler Huntley and one 41 minute left for the Ravens. And they were sitting at the Chicago 28. And Tyler Huntley played, they had a good plan for him.

Mark Andrews was an all-star in this game. He was a security blanket for Huntley who ran a couple times, made a couple of passes. But what happened here was they did, we can't stick to our plan. We have to let Huntley throw the ball. and he showed that he could a 21-yard dart to Devin DuVernay. And then on 3rd and 12, a 30-yarder to Sammy Watkins to the Chicago three-yard line. I mean, Chicago slept after this Andy Dalton touchdown. They went to sleep on defense, totally allowed Baltimore to march down the field,

then bang that Devante Freeman touchdown. They're up 16, 13, lights out. And I want to point out one other thing real quick in this game. There was an absolute meltdown for Matt Nagy. Okay, this was early in the game where it was fourth and a one and it was like 7 to 6 and they appeared to be

actually going out and punting the ball when everyone else in the league is going for it and the crowd in Chicago we heard them on that replay was going absolutely nuts. I'm convinced that Matt Nagy was essentially, at one point he seemed to be shouting and screaming and hollering at a sound man who was controlling his headset

or something. I don't know what was going on there but then two minutes later they're suddenly going for it and there's five Nagy chance in the stands. I mean, he was convinced by the booing crowd to change his decision, I think. Is this when I was doing a Sky Sports hit? Yes, exactly, Greg.

And, yeah, it was live with Neil Reynolds. And I was trying to, you know, talk about, I think, the Eagles Saints game. And Mark is five feet away from me just going, oh, Nagy, what's Nagy doing? He's going crazy over here. And I had to, like, call it out because I didn't know if they could hear.

I was like, well, what is happening over there? Is he from, like, New York? Yeah. Like, where was not a fun boy. I mean, it wiped away. I think what's lost is like we talk about the ravens. So what happened? Had that play out?

It didn't work. They ran a wildcat. They put David Montgomery in the backfield in a wildcat scenario. And Montgomery could have. If you watch the replay, he kind of ran in the wrong direction. He could have gone left and gotten the yardage. But they just had a bad plan for it. They just seemed so discombobulated at times.

The thing that this game did is it wiped out a three and a half sack performance by Robert Quinn. Roquant Smith was all over the place. It just, we came so close. having a very different narrative to this story. You're probably excited talking about this game right now. Well, because it was a wild one. The Ravens stole it away. The Ravens won't the Ravens winning these games.

Well, it shows who the Ravens are. And I thought that on the flip side, John Harbaugh was nothing but utter calm through the entire performance. And you're going in there with non-Lamar Jackson and you have no business winning this thing. And sorry, but it was Greg Roman showing you, I can take any quarterback and build an offense around them. The Bears were in total chaos.

They scored 16 points. I mean, what am I supposed to do with that? How excited? I mean, Andy Dalton brought them life when he came in. Justin Fields had thrown for 79 yards and a half plus. It was not a good performance by him. Dalton brought life. Then they went to sleep.

The last thing happens and they let the Ravens right back in. That was the only touchdown drive of the day, which is for the Ravens, which is crazy. So I'll remember a couple things from this game. One, like, why is Wink Martindale blitzing there? All of Baltimore is really getting sick of Don Martindale this year for doing that because they've given up all these big-time touchdowns. And he blitzes Andy Dalton on fourth, you know, fourth in game, essentially. They get the touchdown.

But I will remember, I really will, I think, forever this moment, which was the second that Goodwin catches it and goes into the end zone for the Bears to take a lead. And at this point, the Ravens have not scored a touchdown all game. Our coworker, Danny Ryder, in the newsroom, within a half a second, said, oh, they're going to lose. He's a Bears fan. He didn't even, for one second, he didn't enjoy it. he just said they're definitely they're going to lose and he was right so you wanted bears and lines on thanksgiving you got it bears have lost five straight and uh they don't believe at this time the time

we're taping this anyway that justin fields broke his ribs but it's a short turnaround to play on turkey day so we'll see what happens and by the way marky those baltimore ravens who may or may not have lamar jackson uh we'll see how he's feeling uh harbaugh said that the illness is not covid-19 or the They hoped he was going to feel better on Sunday morning and instead he felt worse. So we'll see what's going on with Lamar and we hope he's okay. But the Ravens and Browns clash on Sunday night football in week 12. Could be mad cow disease. It's just an option.

We're not saying that's what it is. If you look at this Raven season, though, they could be like 3 and 10. They stole that Chiefs game. They stole that Lions game. They stole that Vikings game. And they stole this game. That's what they do. I think they're stealing what's the.

There's, though. No, I know. I'm just saying it's a wild season. When you have a great quarterback, a great coach, and a great kicker, that makes a big difference. The quarterback was Tyler Huntley and there's no Hollywood Browd. It's just wild. By the way, hey, Tony Romo, it's pretty clear that, like, Bears general manager, Ryan Pace took you out to like a $500 dinner. mentioning, like, with flowery language, like 300 times, how well-built the team is thanks to Ryan Pace.

I mean, name dropped in 20 times. Is everybody over there? No, you know what? We got to do our show is after Sunday night football every week. That annoyed the energy. This is good. Good for you. Let's move to Philly.

Hurts. Gives it off inside. And no, he keeps it. And he's running forward on a fake. He's at the 10. He's at the 5. He's in for the touchdown. What a fake.

What a fake by Jalen Hertz to seal this Eagles win. Oh, Merrill Reese with a call WIP. Jalen Hurts. I think he's sticking around. He ran for three touchdowns. Darius Slay at a pick six. Eagles roll over Gregi's Saints, 40 to 29. That's two wins in a row for the first time for the Eagles.

And also, Nick Siriani. That's what the W looks like at the link for a win at home in five tries. Gregi, I know you're feeling this Eagles team. They're suddenly quite frisky. They are, and this is one where it was like best on best. I know there was a lot of Saints injuries and they lost. That's a factor. But the Saints came into this with the number one rush defense DVOA in the league.

The Eagles came in just having rolled a bunch of these Patsies in terms of run defenses. And I thought the Saints were going to stand up and be counted for. And Jalen Hertz just makes this team go. Miles Sanders returned and had a nice day, 94 yards to Jordan Howard kept getting it done 10 for 63. But Hertz on the ground is what opened it up. They ended up with 242. And it wasn't one of those where you got a big lead. And then you just rack up yards.

They had 152 in the first half. The Saints actually kind of made a fourth quarter comeback to make this thing interesting. It was all about that running game and those big uglies up front. And they showed they're just like the baddest team going right now. Going into this game, the Saints were averaging less than 73 yards allowed on the ground. So to put 242 on a very good Saints defense or run defense, I should say, at the very least. And the Eagles have now surpassed 175 rushing. four straight games, including 200 plus and three wins over that span.

This is, they have an identity, they're nasty up front, and they could do some damage, Marky. Yeah, remember when, like, the Ravens? I'm a little crazy. They could, because. It's a nice job by the Eos, Mark. It shows like if you want to be a good coaching staff, you have to be willing to completely recreate yourself midstream at times.

And it reminds me of when the Ravens went from Flacco to Lamar Jackson, and they embrace the concept of just saying. we were that. We'll never be that ever again because we have Lamar Jackson. We're going to zig win the entire league zags. And the Eagles, you know, Nick Seriani was a pretty easy target for a lot of us who just watches press conferences left and right. And then you just started to hear that the players were like, actually, we dig this guy. And I don't know what that meant.

Maybe it's just like you're in public. That's what you're saying. But he does seem to have shown us he has a plan for Jalen Hertz. He has a plan for this offense. The way they're running the ball. I thought you're right, Craig. This was the acid test today. Maybe it all floats away, and instead they dropped a massive hammer.

But they're in the mix. They're five and six. They're in the mix. Now, it should be said, the Saints were without their three best offensive players. Four, if you want to count James. There are two tackles who have both been to multiple Pro Bowls were out, which was a little bit of a surprise. And that helped Philly's defense show a transformation where they were really aggressive.

Again, you're listening to the talk radio callers, and it's working. Just why don't they run the ball? why don't they be more aggressive on defense they blitzed uh they were very creative and Trevor simeon uh was terrible in this first half of this game ah he's terrible mikey he was rough the the final box score is misleading he they kept trying they actually Trevor simian i get it right it was it was a tough situation for norleans it was six for 18 for 60 yards in a in a brutal pick six slay got his third touchdown in four games uh and he just didn't give them a chance in the first half.

But they're starting guys I've never heard of on the offensive line. Landon Young and I don't know. Good prospect. I know about him. It's not good. I mean, you take Alvin Kamara out of the lineup. You know, the linemen obviously a huge deal. The quarterback, even though, you know, Winston is who Winston is, still an upgrade over

Trevor Simmons. But you take Kamara out. This is a very ordinary team at that point. If they get healthier, I don't, I think they're still going to be in this. They got to get healthy. In this fray. But this version of the Saints is just not dynamic. now they've lost three straight games since the Winston ACL injury.

They got a tough schedule ahead. We talked about it on Thursday. And I just want to say one thing on the Eagles. Half a game out, by the way, of the last spot. It's right there. Nick Siriani on his quarterback. Jalen is a special player who forces defenses to play different. You look at their stats, but you also want to do what you do well.

I think they're starting to feel in that building that they have found a guy here that they could build an offense around. Here is what's so huge about that because assuming Wence plays like another game, which you will, it's like they have three first round picks. And instead of having to go do the thing where we don't like our quarterback, we have to go shop for someone else. You now have three first round picks to make the Eagles about so much,

by so many derivations better than they are right now and surround Jalen Hertz, if he continues to be the guy. All right, let us head to Seattle next where the Seahawks desperately needed to win a game. they didn't realize that Colt McCoy would be playing. Second and goal on the two. Shotgun snap to McCoy. Balls loose on the ground.

He picks it up, throws over the middle, and it's caught for a touchdown by Ertz. Oh, by Colt McCoy picking up a loose ball on the turf and throwing a pass over the middle for a big touchdown here late in the first half. Colt McCoy to God. Colton Sessler's namesake delivered another trenchant performance. His second of three weeks is Kyler Murray's injury replacement

and the Cardinals 2313 win over the, I know everybody's been waiting for it. I've been getting a lot of tweets. I've been waiting to break it out. But it's that time of year over the Moribund. Seattle Seahawks at Lumenfield. McCoy threw for 328 and two touchdowns. Mark, I know you're proud of your boy.

This lifted my spirits because, like, here's the thing. this would have been a great opportunity for the Cardinals to have an excuse over the last three weeks to go into the tank to some degree and say, we'll get ourselves out of it, but we didn't have Kyler Murray. We don't have DeAndre Hopkins. And Call McCoy, you ask him to come in and play three starts. One of them was a mess, but two of them have been nothing short of heroic. And today, he just showed you that when you have that backup quarterback, not the most athletic guy in the planet, not, you know, they used to call him noodle arm. Well, you know what? It was a little bit better than that today. He just showed command of the offense. And there is what I thought the tone setter right out of the gate.

A 16 play, 68-yard, 9-minute touchdown drive, the longest drive of their season in terms of plays and time off the clock. And then he answers down the road with another 13-play 92-yard, 6-minute touchdown drive. Zach Ertz was all over the place for him. And it really became Colt McCoy battling Cardinals kicker Matt Prater, who I don't know what Matt Prater, did pre-game but man he was all over the place he's a good kicker in general missed what are you trying to imply i don't i'm just saying he did not seem to be um in the right headspace he had a he had a missed p a t he had this is on the road he had a killer missed field goal he did hit one a 50 plus at one point but then missed another field goal so it cost them seven points in a game where

the seahawks were climbing back into this thing and it forced colt mccoy up 16 to 13 to take them on another drive. He hits Zach Ertz on a 20-yarder, and that at one point he rumbled Colt McCoy for an 11-yard chain moving first down that I thought it was a bigger scramble than Kyla Murray's had all year. I mean, and Kyle Murray is, you know, infinitely more of the athlete. It's not a shot fired, more than just Colt McCoy did everything you could have asked. They had 40 minutes of time of possession, and it revealed basically the fact that Seattle at this point, not only do I feel good about having forked them a month ago, they are a low-wadage Boar. They look totally out of ideas. And I think Pete Carroll was quite annoyed after it.

Let's hear from Pete, who at one point left his presser only to return. He can't make sense. I'm just not any good at this. You know, I'm not prepared for this. This is not this. I'm, I'm struggling to do a good job of, you know, coaching when you, when you get your butt kicked in weekend and week in a week out. I know, it's just, it's new territory. So, and I'm competing is. in every way I can think of, but I'm just unfamiliar with that. That sounds like to me, like a coach who now is starting to see his mortality, at least in Seattle. Like he knows now, not only is my team on the ropes at three and seven with a very strong chance of missing the playoffs for just the second time in a decade, he also knows he's in trouble now because the wheels are coming off and there's uncertainty with the superstar

our quarterback and the relationship between the team and the quarterback is not right. I think Carol senses he's in danger at the same time, just the general frustration of a season where he can't get this team motivated to play. Well, you've lost the Colt McCoy two straight years. Remember he was with the Giants last year? Yeah. One in there. D.K. Mekap gets 31 yards on eight targets.

Russell Wilson's led them to 13 points total in two weeks. It ends up with 207 yards, no touchdowns. It's crazy, and I think it's just realizing how outclassed you are right now in this division to get bodied by Cliff Kingsbury and Colt McCoy, and there's no Newk Hopkins. Look, a lot of teams have gotten bodied by the Cardinals, but this Seahawks team, who's in primetime two weeks in a row, by the way, after this, let's flex them out a Sunday night in a couple weeks, but they're against Washington Monday night at a week. Like everyone's going to be watching this, and it's a long way to climb out of. But you've got to give the Cardinals a lot of the credit. They're going to number one in the power range. They are.

They bailed me out with this one, I'll tell you what. Vance Joseph, who, you know, flamed out as head coach, has been awesome as defensive coordinator. I cannot remember a game in the Pete Carroll Russell Wilson era where that home Seattle Stadium was so lustrous with booze. I mean, it was as rough as it gets, and that was not what Seattle was expecting. The Cardinals, just to point out how impressive they've been, they are plus 108 in terms of point differential on the road alone. And I did a little scribbling right here during the show. The combined record of the teams they've played is 29 and 18 when they're not playing the card. So they've destroyed good teams, not just the Seahawks.

And after the game, Russell Wilson, if you're wondering how he's feeling, how that finger is, the ball's coming out of my hand just fine. I'm not going to make any excuses. I'm not an excuse kind. of guy well we'll see the seattle seahawks are in a lot of trouble the cardinals now get a buy week on top of this the fact that they come out of these three games with two ws against division rivals now they get a week off and hopefully for arizona when they return uh in week 13 they will have keiler and new copkins and there they'll be that much more dangerous but colt mccoy there was magic mark magic in the air i don't know what else you can ask a backup quarterback to do

than what he's done. There is math to it. I was theorizing downstairs that he added two years to his career in week nine, and then he lost a year to his career in week 10. But now he added two more here. So he's up three years now of making money through just three games of play. You know, if you're going to say like, hey, I'm going to go to work three days this year, I'll be good on two of them and suck on one.

I like that philosophy. We got to get Colt McCoy on the show. We got to tell him about Colt Sassler. We got a, maybe it's an off-season show. I don't know if it's during the season. I feel like we could probably get. That's what I'm saying. Seems possible.

Then it puts me back in this like fan boy scenario where like I'm frozen. I don't know what questions to ask. That's like Jimmy found like, I think we could get Rob Schneider. I'm not sure. I think we can. Anyway, let's take a break and we'll be right back. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now I'm Drew Franklin.

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Shotgun, one back, bunch formation right. Here's the snap. Texans sending people. Tadahill hit as he throws. It's picked off by King. And out of bounds inside the 20-yard line. The huge takeaway for the Texans to stop Tennessee with 3.42 to go on the fourth. You may not recognize that, the sound of that voice.

But that was Mark Vandemir of K-I-L-T. with the call. Go home NFL. You're drunk. Entering Sunday, the Texans were the coldest team in the league. The Titans were the hottest. So, of course, the Texans snapped the NFL's longest active losing streak by beating the Titans 2213 to end the league's longest winning streak

on a miserable day in Houston. Mark, how? And we're going to get to the grave digger. He's got to answer to this. Well, Daddy did not have primary eyes on this game, but if you asked me how I'd say that they were depleted to a wide receiver, they're out of weapons, and we've watched this offense be challenged.

Am I your son in this scenario? Daddy. If you want to be. Your daddy? I am a, that is, I am a father. You've got to stop calling ourselves Daddy, I think. Why? Just generally.

It makes Greg uncomfortable. I found my, no, I did it. I forget what scenario I did it. I did it as well at some point, and it's just like it's a virus that's spreading. It is a virus that's spreading. It's like the Delta. It's maybe not the worst virus that's out there amongst us. Anyway.

All right. Wait, I don't need to hear from me, Mark. I want to hear from Gravedigger. Grave digger, what the hell happened? I know you're missing Derek Henry. I know you're trying to top my analysis there. A.J. Brown, he gets hurt. Is it just an issue where we've reached the level for Ryan Tannel who had four picks,

where he just doesn't have anybody to throw to and make plays with? And now it's starting to show for real? Honestly, I would love to say that that is the reason the Titans' offense was so bad, but it really wasn't. I mean, Nick Westbrookina had over 100 receiving yards, whoever the heck he, I mean, he's a second-year guy. I'm drafted out of Indiana. But the Titans out gained the Texans 420 yards to 190, but they turned the ball over five times, twice inside the opposing team's six-yard line. Once was a pick that was actually the Titans were in the red zone, and Houston returned it all the way to the six-yard line. And so that's a huge swing.

And then in the second half, the Titans had like three chances. The defense got six straight three and outs to close the game. One of them was like a four and out, a four and out technically. So not technically. But the offense, Tannahill, like every time the offense started driving, Tana Hill threw an interception that was like, what was that throw? And maybe it was young receivers like Des Fitzpatrick, who was a rookie, who was cut after training camp, who has like been on the practice squad all season,

and finally got elevated last week. He was, like, yelling at, Tana Hill was yelling at Des Fitzpatrick before plays, like, Des, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it. Like, you can hear it through the broadcast, and then, like, he threw a pick on that play, so maybe Des did not get whatever change it was or, I don't know. I mean, it's just one of those. It sounds like it was a fluke. I mean, they, honestly, they've been luck.

They've won a couple games like this way. They have. They didn't look like the better team. So it was almost like, they were overdue to get some bad luck. But Marcus Johnson, who was so good last week, got hurt. barely played. Who knows if he'll be available for next week. And then A.J. Brown was in and out, and I don't think he finished the game either.

So that's a problem. He's probably going to miss a couple of weeks. Like, they'll probably hold him out through the by, which is two weeks away. There's, like, Twitter doctors who are trying to diagnose the injury, but obviously you can't. I trust that. What about the Twinkle Toes line? The Tennessee Tickle Monsters. You know, there's a lot of dissent on Twitter about the name.

And I think we went from a unified front to not unified. and the team felt the effects of it. Ah, I like that theory. And how about if you would have told me the Texans would have played the Titans today? And Tyrod, like, oh, the Texans won. Oh, Tyrod must have a big game. And, you know, he had an average four and a half yards per attempt. So it's not like they were, you know, like things out.

Ran for two. He did run for two? Yeah. How about that? Five turnovers is going to blow up any plans you have there. And two failed fourth down conversions deep in Houston territory. So that's like seven turnovers. How about this, though?

the Texans have forced 10 turnovers in the last two games. That's outrageous. That's got to be more than some teams have forced all year. The Cully bump. That is more than the Steelers, the 49ers, Seahawks, Jets, Ravens, Jaguars have forced all year. That's insane. The Cully carryover, the Cooley kick.

They were talking about it on the broadcast how Romeo Cornell got this defense locked in over the by week or something. It's like 97 years old. And they get the Patriots next with. Like a 42 players injured. That's on my radar, by the way. I don't have as much rage towards the Patriots as I used to. Tom Brady leaving really did change some things, I think.

But you seem to be catching these teams at a good time, Greg. You've got to admit it, right? Yeah, I've noticed this pattern. They keep, like, right before teams play the Patriots, it's like, you know, they get hacked down by machetes or there's viruses. It's like put through a wood chipper. Now deal with New England. You know, every time we count out the Titans, they deliver a big,

This would be classic Titans to bounce back in a huge way. They bought themselves a lot of roped. I mean, you're still essentially three games up on the Colts, but you're allowing the other teams to get into this number one seed race, that's for sure. Are you worried about the Colts? A little bit. I'll say this. I wouldn't want to see them in the playoffs.

Well, you've also swept them. Yeah, I don't think they're going to take the division. They'd have to take three games. They'd have to do three games better than the Titans over the last six. So that would be tough. All it takes is the Patriots beating the Titans next week. And the Titans have already let go of that number one seed. Yeah, the number one seed is crazy.

That thing happened. That would happen quickly. So that game is a big AFC. You have a member Dan's point about road teams thriving. You almost don't want to have home field advantage according to where we are at this point. Can you do some calculating and see how home teams did this week? Let's move on or a grave digger. Somebody behind the glass. You comported yourself well there.

Justin, let's move on to Charlotte. Stop the hiding key on fourth and three. Steps up, look through his left, skips through the tackle of it's on Reddick. Now he has to stop at the 45. He goes back across his body. That is caught. Unbelievable play.

John Bates at the 36th to six-yard gate in a first down. Oh, double bongos? What are we doing? Taylor deserves those bongos. He does. Bram. Weinstein with the call. W.T.

Brant Weinstein? I always get this one. I'd go Steen, but who knows? Taylor Heineke. He upstaged Cam Newton. He threw for 206 yards and three touchdowns. Against the defense that was ranked the best in football entering the game. And Washington spoils camps return to Bank of America Stadium.

A 27-21 win for the WFT over C-A-R. Greg, I don't know what Washington's long-term plans are at QB, but Taylor Heineke is making a case with games like these. The last two weeks he's been awesome, and this was the best game of his career. He led the league today in the average depth of target, and yet he only had six incompletions. We don't normally play like a fourth and three six-yard game,

but if you haven't seen that highlight, that play was ridiculous. It was such a Fav-type play, and it typified this game, because right before that there was a third and 21 where Heineke throws a dart for 18. They rush up, no indecisiveness from Riverboat Ron at all. I'm going to let Taylor make a play. And for the second time on a big fourth down, he makes a crazy play.

He's been great on third and fourth down. And I contrast that to Matt Ruhle, who just a little bit later, I think, in the fourth quarter, hems and haws and the crowd starts booing because he's going to punt on fourth down. and then he wastes all this time, and then he takes the timeout, wasting a timeout he needed after wasting the 30 seconds, and then they don't get the fourth down either, and it was like Riverboat Ron, decisive.

Taylor Heineckee, amazing. Cam Newton played great in this game. Great's maybe an overseen. Cam Newton played well. He played plenty well enough to win, and yet Heineke was easily the best quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I locked up the Panthers. I felt really good about it,

even better early on in the game when Newton right off the bat was playing really well. So, I mean, if you're the Panthers, it's like, geez, you had all this momentum and you have this opportunity against Washington and just to get beat in a game where your defense can't get stops. That's disappointing. I mean, they kind of, again, the NFC is so wide open, just like the AFC, that the fact that they're five and six doesn't take him out of contention. But it makes you again wonder, all right, you know, it's time to pump the brakes a little bit because this team might not. be ready to make that run it's got a thrill ron rivera to on the final two drives of the of the game for uh carolina to shut them down on fourth down both times i mean it's just like this is it played well but then again he did have they did have a chance the last at the end of the game

and he couldn't get it done that the ron river experience if you go back through multiple seasons in carolina we've seen we saw it last year in washington it's like let's start two and seven and then we'll start well then we'll kick into high gear and make the playoffs but in Carolina, I feel like there were like multiple campaigns where like they'd get off to a terrible start and then rally. And it's like Ron Rivera is obviously the coach of the future. You stick with everyone else. And they do the same thing the next year. But I think part of the problem with Washington wasn't just the defense that was so off critiqued. The offense was so out of sync. They haven't had Curtis Samuel all year long. They just haven't had the dudes.

And Heineke, the one thing about him, I think there's something about watching him that is exciting. There's an element of daring due to his game. I hate the gunslinger terminology for quarterbacks, but he kind of has that energy to him and he hits throws and when he makes a mistake he'll just keep doing it and I keep throwing it and he's fun to watch. He was getting love after the game from some of the Panthers too who were you know ex-teammates of his

first start as a quarterback was with Carolina revenge game for him not just Ron Rivera and they were just kind of saying young Turner they were just saying that guy's a dog yeah Scott Turner had a great day the offensive coordinator for Washington. That was very surprising to me to see their offense control the game.

I expected more out of the Carolina defense. They had a masterful end to the first half, start of the second half sequence, where they have a six-minute touchdown drive that took all the time off to end the first half, then another six-minute touchdown drive to start the second half, and you're kind of like, oh, what just happened here? And Cam came back and everything,

but Scary Terry had one of his best games of his career, and Antonio Gibson, I think, looks a little more spry than he did when he was fighting injury earlier in the year. We talked a little bit, that came up, I think, on the Thursday show. Would PJ Walker play at all in this game? And I don't think he did. He didn't at all. And they said the plan was to, but they thought Cam was playing well enough. And after the game, one thing, I guess the last thing that will come to somebody that's absorbing a new playbook is the two-minute offense.

And that it kind of set up game script-wise poorly for Carolina where they needed that last drive. And Cam didn't have the full playbook at his disposal. They did not move the ball late in that game. So tough loss for the Panthers and Washington's battling. They're only one game out of the wild. Yeah, it is crazy. It is stupid, but ultimately fun. Let's move to Duvall.

There's a gun run to Debo Samuel coming left. Right at Ward breaks a tackle down the sideline. Debo Samuel will take it all the way in. Touchdown. San, Fran, Cisco. A lot of sauce on that. A lot of sauce. Greg Papa with the call.

KNBR. Jimmy Garapolo threw two touchdown passes in the third straight game. Debo had another touchdown on the ground. What a year he's having. The 49ers dominate the Jaguars, 30 to 10. Their third win in four weeks. Mark, this felt like a possible letdown game for the Niners, but San Francisco took care of its business and impressive fashion.

Yeah, I picked this game second in our draft, and, you know, I had a lot of people telling me that I was nuts to do so. But I knew what I wanted to see. I wanted to see if they could be. Well, you could have gotten it way deeper in the draft. The haters were out from you. You know what you want. You just go after it. You don't risk anything.

Incredibly gutsy lock, too. So congratulations on that as well. Well, look it. They did me wrong last week. But now our relationship is totally repaired because this is one of the teams that I went into the year wanting to love. And my love is starting to return and grow a bit. I wanted just to see, would anything translate from that Rams game, or was that just one of these fluke scenarios?

Opening drive, once again, 49ers, 20 plays, 87 yards, 13 plus minutes. The first quarter was over in like maybe 21 minutes, and I was like, it was just fascinating to watch. Debo Samuel, it wasn't just that one touchdown. He led the team with 79 yards on eight carries on the ground. They basically used them out of the backfield as a running back. Two straight weeks. And they're banged up in the backfield.

So they absolutely slaughter Jacksonville inside the numbers. That's what they've been doing. But they had touchdown drives of 80, 77, and 77 yards. And the Jaguars offense and Urban Meyer basically called it out after the game himself. There's no growth on this offense. And in Trevor Lawrence at the end of the game, it's interesting to see a shot of him with his arm around Urban Meyer. And not, you know, in a friendly way, I think they both. No, they're just, they're in for it.

It's a long, it's, it's, it's going to be as long as possible for the rest of the season. Because the hope was maybe Jacksonville's defense is rounding into something special. Not today. I mean, that, that narrative is over for a week. With Devo and watching his great season, it's been an all pro level season for Devo Samuel. That's when, like, Kyle Shanahan and he's had his ups and downs, obviously, but where having a really, like, smart, creative play caller when you have a, and you have a, and you have. have a very unique, talented player like Debo when those things come together and you see what you're seeing there because the way he's used, you get the feeling Debo Samuel's special

abilities are being used to their maximum efficiency in this offense. It's nice to see it that way. In one little thing, like Brandon Ayuk, like who was in the dog house and there's a lot of weird stuff going on with him, he's changed and he had 78 yards in a touchdown. So he's added to the offense. He just wasn't part of it. And Garoppolo's been pretty good over the last month or so. When they play like this and they run the ball like this, they had 33 plays to four at one point.

Well, I feel like this probably happens to the Jaguars a lot, but they had 14 first downs while the Jags had 12 total yards midway through the second quarter. It was just like game over. Go eat a sandwich. All right. So San Francisco, they stay in the picture in the NFC West as the Seattle Seahawks fall further out. Let's close things up with a trip to the darkest recesses of the AFC East.

to a pressure gets away through deep down to wide open hollins he's got the 15 to 10 and he's out the five yard oh my gosh he's gone he stayed in bounds he tiptoed down the end they say he's inbound they'll look at this of course but a 65 yard touchdown jimmy saffalo jason taylor joe rose all on the call there for w q a m uh two atunga by loa connected on a long touchdown to mac hollins and he threw the go away had five-yard touchdown past the Miles Gaskin early in the fourth quarter. Final score 24-17 Jets fall to the Dolphins at the Meadowlands. That's three straight wins for the Miami football team. They got, you know, they have a pulse, however faint it may be in the AFC playoff race. Hmm. Two was good, by the way. 27 of 33, 273 touchdown passes.

He had an interception that wasn't pretty, but that's part of the two experience. in general, I think, his audition. I'm giving him so far for like sophomore season. I'm giving them, you got to factor in the injuries because durability, that is a skill. I'm giving them a B minus. So I don't know what it needs to get to for them to get out of the Deshaunz. You hand out as a greater, you give out a lot of B minuses. I do.

I remember on our show, you would give us a post show grade a lot of B minuses. It's definitely, I think it's above C plus and I don't think it's a solid B yet. It's a B minus. I think he needs to get. and now we're getting scientific. I think he needs to get to A-minus to keep him out of the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes, so he's going to have to go on a tear hair.

That's science. They have an intense wandering eye, and so like B-minus, or let's see if it's out of 100, he gets like an 86 to finish the season. No. No. He's got to get to 90.

And so it's a quarterback somewhere else, they think is a 96. And you mentioned they have a pulse, but it's interesting how the top of the NFC is much better. But if you look at the wildcard race in the A. FFC versus the NFC, it's actually more open in the NFC. The Dolphins are still three games in the loss column behind Chargers, Bengals, Buffalo,

which right now is 5, 6, 7 in the AFC. So it's kind of a, it's a big mountain to climb. That's right. You and I differentiate because I think every team, the AFC stinks. Right. I mean, I get it, but just they have more teams to climb over. It's like, oh, what about the Patriots? What about them?

No, they all stink. Sharp differentiation. There's no way to judge what's going to happen here. could somehow get in, yeah, then they'd have a better chance. They've got the Panthers, Giants and Jets. There is a way in if they can play the best football. Okay, okay. We talked about this on Thursday.

How about that? Elijah Marr, if you want to, on the jet side, and Joe Flacco is now the fourth quarterback to play for the team this year. What a joke. What a tough season. If you want to call them quarterbacks. But Zach Wilson sits out another week. But Elijah Moore is the truth.

That guy's, as long as he stays out of the Jets grinder is going to be a big time player. That draft class in general has a chance to be really good if Zach Wilson can play. But the only way we can know if Zach Wilson can play is if he actually plays and let's hope that he is back in the lineup soon because otherwise there's really no reason to watch the Jets. Yeah, I can't, I can't disagree. I'm, I'm legitimately angry. I'm not. I'm actually not, right? You know, that part of the season is passed. The Jets right now have the number two overall pick in the draft, their own pick, and the number five via Seattle. Thank you, Timal Adams. That's all out of.

straight is not feeling good right now. Thank you, Jamal. All right. Don't want to see Zach Wilson get Josh Rosent. No, that's not happening. I don't believe. But, you know, we'll see. All right.

Hey, Ricky, by the way, that was pretty crazy. The halftime, they did this great salute to service. Amazing. Halftime show. And they brought out the veterans, and it was the six major military branches and the flags were out. And then this dude, they throw it up to this dude. concourse and he's an artist who's also a singer and he does a like an america the beautiful uh rendition of the song while painting and me and rickie are like trying to figure out what he's

doing it looks like a mess it looks like he's not going to pull it off while he's singing and painting and then something special happened oh my god this was so we're you and i are talking to each other we're like oh my god the song's finishing up he better finish like we've got a lot of time looks like hell like we're like what the heck what the heck and then when he flipped the painting Upside down, you and I were screaming so loud. We were like, oh, my God. It was an American Eagle. And Dan and I, you would have thought it was the coolest thing.

And then Mark thought we were joking. Like, you thought we were being just jerks. Right. But we legitimately, like, in that moment. It was the most impressive feat I had seen in that building. Yeah, but why did I think you were being jury? Aird throw to Keenan Allen? Because that was a BB, though.

No one else can. Greg, has nothing to do with us. Did you know it was an eagle ahead when he was painting it? Let me answer for Greg. I wasn't even watching. I don't know. I mean, I was eating lunch or dinner with Tyler Dragon, our old friend up in the press box.

I was not aware of the entertainment. Mark knew exactly what it was. So that's why he thought we were being jerks because he was like, he thought we were making fun of that. Not in a way where I was like, look at me versus YouTube, but I thought you guys were being kind of. of like snarky about the fact that it turned it over. Because our reaction was unbelievable.

It was, but it was. I think here's the thing. Mark's not coming though. He was a senior. Well, no, no, hold on. Yeah. Look it. I lack lots of skills.

But like that thing, like I saw when he was making. I said to you guys, why, like, there's an upside down eagle. And it was like. I didn't hear him. Yeah, neither did I. Well, I, Dan, you would have thought they just told us like we had won a million dollars. Like, I don't know what made us both react like that. But we went crazy.

The dude was. singing America of the Beautiful, hitting every note, painting with his hands. And it was upside down. I couldn't see what it was. Spins the canvas around in a big spot. And it's a bald eagle, baby. One thing that helps me. That's a big win for the Chargers.

Like, there's a rivalry between the Rams and the Chargers game day presentation. That's a good idea. The most incredible thing I've seen. I've been to a number of places where they basically, like, an artist did the same thing, where it's like, they go through the senior league. Everyone's like, what is it? Then they turn the painting around. So maybe my eyes.

Are they singing? Are they singing? And I'm looking. His name is Joe Everson. And he only has a thousand subscribers on YouTube and only gets like 700. He needs more. You look up Joe Everson on YouTube. Like I can't you.

Everybody. It was a sensation. All right. Let's everybody, the listeners, if you want to see this guy's work, please go to his YouTube page, comment and say ATN sent you and give the man love. What a patriot. Oh, my God. It just, it just. Ricky, see, I was right there with you.

We had a moment there. Yeah, we were. Dumbies. Exactly. All right, let's go. Good show. We'll be back on Wednesday. A little different week, obviously.

It's Thanksgiving. So we will have our next show on Wednesday. We'll preview all of Week 12. Thank you for everybody. Thank you to everybody. Until then, he the call. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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