NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2021 Week 14 Recap

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap every game from week 14 starting with the two overtime showdowns. Tom Brady is still Tom Brady and there is a lot to love about Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. The Raiders are cooked, and thankfully the Browns won over the Ravens to keep the show on the air. The Broncos gave Demaryius Thomas a touching tribute and won handedly over the Lions. Nick Shook joins the show to help the heroes make sense of the Atlanta Falcons and Panthers. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. The Around the NFL podcast can't be the too high shelf. From the Chris Wessling podcast studio, it's around the. the NFL. I'm Dan Hanzas, joined by the Heroes, Greg Rosenthal, and Mark Sessler. Gregi, it's the week 14 Sunday recap show, the flagship program, and it very nearly did not happen. Our podcast came so close to ending today. How's that? You've got me on the edge of my seat.

It was almost over, at least over as we know it. all rightie and here comes the onside kick with 117 left Tucker bounces to the right side hits off a brown's player and the Ravens recover at the 40 yard line wow if the Ravens recovered that onside kick and then turned it into the game winning field goal to beat the Browns Mark's gone and the show as we know it is over thankfully the Browns got the stop and we'll get to the game later but it was so close. Yeah, I think, you know, Greg and I, we are in the office during these early games, and I think that I was probably annoying you with my, you know, I was dropping some sailors language of the direction of the Ravens and the Browns. It would have been tough. We would have had to step in to Mark had a lot of responsibilities today.

It would have been. But it was typical. This was like the theme of the week kind of. You know, we're looking overarching. It started with that crazy Vikings game giving up the big lead. The Browns gave up the big lead. They won. The Cowboys gave up the big lead.

They won. The Bucks gave up the big lead. They won. The 49ers gave up the big lead. They won. And like I mentioned, it all started back on Thursday night when I watched that Vikings team. Drive that strawberry truck all over the field. Don't you think I forgot?

If you listen to the recap, you know. Greg, listen to the Thursday night show when he's not on it. And you got to give him respect for it. And Mark, I literally, my stomach jumped when the onside kick happened because I knew the ramifications could have been huge, but we're all together. Well, what do you think I would have done? I don't know. Okay.

Like I, I mean, our windows on the second or third floor are, they're hermetically sealed. I guess I could imagine driving in and just seeing like a hole where the office used to be. So everyone's going out. Thankfully, it didn't come to it. We're going to get to the Browns who almost impossibly are in. position to win that AFC North because that division's so wide open. We're going to get into what's going on there. But yes, let's start with the, on paper, what was the game of the day?

And then it didn't look like it was going to be that way. But oh, hell yeah, it turned out to be a great ball game down there in Tampa between the bills and the bucks. Pressure coming from the outside. Brady throws a bat ball first out of the 50, outside the number's 40, to the 30 yard line, to the 25. It's Perriman. Bashan Parraubon.

Touchnuts. Have a way. Box run in overtime. Paraman, Paraman, Paraman, Paraman! Dean Digger, WFUS, Josh Allen, played like a star in the second half. But Tom Brady reminded us in overtime that he is the goat. The quarterback hooked up with Jets Legend, Rashad Parraman, for a 58-yard touchdown. It was the game-winning score in a wild 33-27 win over the bills.

Tampa Bay moves to 9 in 3. 10 and 3 10 and 3 and remain very much in the mix for the number one seed in the NFC thank you Mark

the bills meanwhile all of a sudden it's 7 at 6 and in danger of falling out of playoff position in the AFC entirely what a game Greg

so good 24 to 3 felt over and yet the Bill's defense went on a run before that overtime drive by the Bucks where five of the six

bucks offensive drives went for 10 yards or less not counting the kneel downs and that defense that we've heard about all year got them back into the game. Josh Allen got them back into the game, but ultimately the team with the win here and the 33 points are led by what I think is the most unstoppable force in all of the NFL right now, which is the combination of Tom Brady and this offensive line. Those two things together are so hard

to beat for 60 minutes or 65 like in this game. He had a lot of throws, including that game winner where it wasn't out of his hand that quickly. And yes, they struggled in the second half against a good past defense, but in the first half, bowling the way for Leonard Fournett, protecting Brady, when you've got that good of a line, even against a good defense, and that good of a quarterback playing at such a high level, man, it's going to take a really special offensive performance to beat them. And the bills got that, but they only got about a half of that. They didn't get a full game of that.

Well, it's funny, because you mentioned, you know, the script writer. the football gods made seven or eight games this week and feels like have the same narrative. Huge lead, lost it, didn't lose it. Here's the same thing. If I'm a Bills fan, it was 27 to 10 at one point. And had that turned into 37 to 13 or something, Western New York is on fire after what happened last week and this week. And you're looking at a Bills team that is going to be heavily critiqued nonstop. I thought they fought their way back into this thing in a valiant effort that, yes, I know you lost. but you've got Carolina next, then that Patriots game.

The old build on the Moro Victory game. I don't know. I mean, it's possible what happens. I just think that, like, that it was so negative a week ago. There's a lot to take away from this. And you lost to what is arguably the best team in football that is the most consistent team in football in a season when there's like two or three consistent teams in the entire league.

I mean, when it's 24 to 3 at halftime, coming off what happened on Monday night against New England. And then they go 3 and out to start the second half, too. They go 3 and out. So it's just like at that time, it just felt like the walls had caved in for the bills. And this was going to be a season that was remembered ultimately as one of Titanic disappointment for a Bill's franchise that had Super Bowl aspirations.

And yeah, they still lost. So at 7 and 6, they're going to have, and they have, of course, like we said, the Patriots coming up in two weeks. And that could be good or bad for them, obviously. And it's just like, yes, they have work to do, but it's a reminder why you do not count out the bills because they do have Josh Allen. And I think Allen is one of those special players that he can really carry it.

He put that entire team on his big boy back and nearly took it home. He came near the end before they kicked the tying field goal at the end of the fourth quarter. He very nearly scored the game winning touchdown. It was a game of inches. And so they fell short. But I think people that root for the bills and support the bills and I think Sean McDermott are thinking themselves, okay, this is a bummer. that we didn't finish off this comeback.

But I think we got another, we got more fight left in us. We're not going to stay on the mat. We'll be up. I was ready to count them out after the Patriots thing. And that's me jumping the gun on some of these things over and over.

But I was especially ready to do it about the time Dan hit the office and things looked awful. And it's the rare game where I think the three of us got to sit down and watch it, you know, tick by tick as it went to its final conclusion.

It was totally thrilling. And I think there's a connection, by the way? I do. I think that you are saying, you were rooting it on. You were as into that game, as I've seen all year. You're a spiritual torchbearer for these bills on some level.

Josh Allen's game was so good. He goes 12 for 109 on the ground and a touchdown. And that was an early emphasis, him on design runs and him putting his foot in the ground when he sees man coverage and he sees a lane and scrambling for yards too. I think that could be one solution to their running game struggles. They literally didn't call a carry for their running backs in the first half, which was almost hilarious, and Bill's fans are losing their mind. You know, they finally cost them in the second half, and they pop a couple.

Alan heard his what looked like either his foot or his ankle. He's got a little bit of a toe injury. They wrapped his ankle, and he still played great. And yet, I hear everything you're saying, and that's true. And I don't think this team would doubt itself. And I have never gotten off the point where I think they're an AFC contender. I still do at 7 and 6. With all that said, this would have been a nice win.

Like, they don't have a lot of those nice wins against good teams. They have a lot of heartbreaking losses against good teams. No, and they could have called a holding or a pass interference on the bucks late in that game. That non-call I didn't have as big a problem with as the Mike Evans got a pass interference call in overtime. And so a couple things also went against them in this game. They did not make their own luck either. I'll get to that in a second. Yeah, as I've said on like numerous occasions, a lot of my, numerous anger, yes, many times.

It's another way to say it. My anger and my frustration around Tom Brady mostly dissipated when he left New England. But sometimes it will resurface when things like that happen. The bills don't get the PI call at the end of the fourth quarter. And then the Bucks do get a suspect DPI call in overtime that sets up the paragon touchdown. There's a good job by Evans. He created a terrible call. It was a terrible call.

He knew he was trying to get a penalty there. I know, and I saw the same thing happen for the Browns in the favor of the Browns today. Well, they always get the call. Yeah, an underthrown ball, receiver comes back to it. And everybody's, like, giving Mike Evans a ton of credit. Actually, he's just playing the ball. He's got to slow down and come back

because it's an underthrown ball. And they're just throwing the flag every time. It's got to be a point of emphasis that they look at in the offseason. This game had so much to it. It was one of the more fascinating games of the year. like Godwin, Evans, Gronk, and then Paramount and Fournett in the end, they made such good plays for Brady, not always on the best throws, too. Like, that's underrated, too, that he has guys that can make plays.

But I think it showed the strengths and the weakness of McDermott. The strengths are, Romo made a good point of him adjusting on the sidelines and really changing what they did defensively about midway through that second quarter. Romo kind of first guessed that there. And McDermott didn't, like, wait for halftime to make adjustments. they changed what they were doing defensively and they shut it down. That's where McDermott is maybe as good or better than any coach in the league. But with some of the game management stuff,

kicking a field goal inside the five early in the game, they go for a fake punt on fourth and two instead of just having your offense out there to go for the fourth and two. It didn't work, so that's easy to guess. But the biggest problem I had was the punt in the fourth quarter. And you can say, well, look, they came back. Like, that was him trusting the defense. Well, it was right before the bucks went on a six-minute drive.

And the way the bills were playing offense at that point, I think actually supports the point when they go touchdown, touchdown field goal after that. It's like they're playing good offense. Trust them to go get a couple yards. You got to like one thing coming out of last week when they were getting killed in the red zone against New England, they had a touchdown that where the drive got ended at the Tampa Bay 18, a touchdown from the Tampa Bay 15, a touchdown from the Tampa Bay 4 and a field goal from the 7. They capitalized on that this time around.

Yeah. And you know what? That's why I want to see the Patriots and Bill's play in normal weather. Right. Right, but when you talk about McDermin, he did not adjust in that Patriots game. You've got to go do it in that game, too. I mean, I think they were exposed to that way they are confirmed as a good team again. All right.

So the bills finished with three of four teams under 500 and the Pats. And one last note on Brady, that's 700 career touchdown passes when you factor in the postseason. And he also, for whatever this means to you, probably doesn't mean much. He became the NFL's all-time completions leader. So he owns every record in the book. I mean, when you play till 44. some of these numbers are going to come your way. Poor Drew Brees. I was thinking like

Drew Brees keeps having to talk, like I saw him on Sky Sports earlier, just talk about how Brady is as he like breaks his records. That's like the ultimate revenge. And Manning's on the Manning cast talking about how great Brady is. Like this is the ultimate to talk in the football on his biggest rivals.

I don't know. I'm not that concerned about Drew Brees. But yeah, let's now move to the other overtime late game. Two Barnburners kind of saved this Sunday. Jimmy Garapolo first and 10, 12 yard line, going to roll to his left, throws. Caught by Brandon Ayuk on the 10, 5 diving for the end zone. Now, he's in.

That's clearly a touchdown. I think that is a touchdown. Here is Craig Rolstadt. What do you got, Craig? After a deal, it is a touchdown. Touchdown! Yeah, yeah, yeah. She gives me the bongos.

That worked out good. Ayuk is on fire. Whoa. He don't need no water. Let him score. Whoa. And that doesn't get bongos, Ricky. She's a tough grader.

You've got to put that in for the calls of the year, though. Call of the year. Beed it. World. Greg Papa and Tim Ryan K.N.B.R. You know, people now are paying attention, Ricky. That's a responsibility you have. Where do the bongos belong from week to week?

Are you ready for that responsibility? Maybe she's found a better landing spot. Let's wait and see. I'm not judging you. I'm saying you're aware, though, that people see that as a reward. Like your power rankings, there's other things that come into consideration. There could be other strategy, too. Maybe a bad game named some juice that he thought about that.

Or it's too early in the show and you don't want to lose all the juice. You've got to figure it out. No judgment zone. Thank you. Just saying people are paying attention. We just, you don't know what could be out there. Jimmy G connected with Brandon Ayyuk, who dove over that pylon for the game-winning score and great editing work by Tamposi there, chopping it all up, lifting the 49ers to a 26-23 overtime win over the Bengals.

The San Francisco football team blew a 20-to-6 lead in the fourth quarter, fell behind by a field goal in overtime. But they found a way, Mark, thanks to big-time efforts from Jimmy G., Ayuk, and another I'm Better Than Everyone performance from George Kittle. you said it uh i was trying to think of what what this game made me feel because i went in with so much excitement thinking that you know these two uh pet teams of mine would create a barn burner from wire to wire and it was not the case and it kind of reminds me like um you know you'd go back at the back of the day you'd go to like a huge house party and stay at someone's house and you'd sleep over and there'd be this one guy in the floor that you didn't really know it all sure but he was like snoring or snoozing totally out and like you'd be there for two hours waiting from to wake up and

And you'd be thinking like, this guy is the most sloth-like, annoying individual ever. And then when he awakens, suddenly he's dropping bombs. He's funny. He's hilarious. And he's like, he's the life of the party. You're thinking that's what this game was when it started to round into form. Because you were not trusting Jimmy G in this game early on. Joe Burrow, the passing attack for Cincinnati was off-kilter.

And then both quarterbacks caught total fire. and they just ditch the running games, which is atypical for both of these teams. It was one big play after the next. George Kittle, 13 catches 151 yards in a touchdown. It was on our Friday show that Greg asked, why aren't the Niners just throwing it to George Kittle over and over? Well, they listened. I said that actually. No, it was great. It was definitely great.

And they did it today. What a call by me. It was, you called yourself a potential offensive coordinator, so maybe you've got something going on there. George Kittle is good. But this became a total firework show down the stretch. And I thought that Burrow and Jimmy G, especially I had Jimmy G, not have one of his terrible. He almost had one, but a terrible turnover. None of that.

It was one big play after the next. And it gave me faith in the Niners because I really thought mentally they were broken after Robbie Gould missed that field goal. I thought they were going to go into overtime and just get waxed. They did not. They came back with the winning drive after the Bengals field goal. And they are seven and six. like every other team in the league right now, and they've got life.

So like with this game, just like the first game we talked about, I came away with it more impressed with the losing quarterback, Joe Burrow, who was just so fun. I tweeted... Well, he's a better quarterback, but Jimmy G. didn't collapse, right?

Let me just finish. Like, I tweeted during the game, I want to be a Bengals fan, and everybody, I was kind of winking, obviously, because nobody would want to be a Cincinnati fan. But it's, there is something to be said when you're watching games now, and there's this 23-year-old quarterback

with a ton of charisma that is really making the Bengals fun to watch. And you could see it in that stadium, how fun the, even though the three and four at home this year and they've had some clunkers, it's just a really fun atmosphere. And when he got that team rolling, it just felt like it was over. It felt like once Cincinnati got back into the game, once they tied it up,

once they took the lead in overtime, that Goropalo was either going to fumble or throw an interception, and we'd be talking about the same old stuff with San Francisco. And yet, I think Jimmy G deserves credit here, Greg, because this was a big time performance from him. It's not just whoever is the quarterback for George Kittles, a great player or Brandon Ayuk. He did deliver in a big spot where he could have melted.

He did, but that dive, that play by Ayuk was crazy. Some of those catches by Kittal, it's a team effort. And more than anything, he got a chance to do it because of Nick Bosa. Like that overtime drive that Cincinnati had ends on one of Nick Bosa's two sacks and both of those sacks came in massive spots that San Francisco 49ers are so short-handed at cornerback because of injuries also because of Dante Johnson, a starter who unfortunately lost his mom over the weekend was not available for this game. And they're playing just kind of ham and eggers. And that's why T. Higgins can go five for 114. That's his third straight over

100. But it's like the, you love to see your best players show up. And that's Kiddle. Iyuka is now becoming one of those, obviously Jimmy G, but also Bosa. That was just like a massive game. And 7 and 6 in the NFC like the 49ers are is not the same as 7 and 6 in the AFC. The 49ers are a solid game up on the 7 seed even with that win. So each one of these wins in the NFC for San Francisco really gets them closer. It probably is only going to take them going two and two the rest of the way to make the playoffs the way this NFC is shaping out. You're right.

I think that the Niners did a pretty good job of masking. their issues on the outside at cornerback for much of this game, and then it was too much. And, you know, had the Bengals been waxed, had this just taken on the form of the early part of the game, I would look back at Zach Taylor kicking a field goal from the San Francisco 10 at 4th and 2 later on, or earlier on, I should say, they kicked a field goal from the San Francisco 19 at 4th and 1. This does not get you invited to the analytics Christmas party. That's sort of 1996 tactics right there. But, you know, when you've got Burrow playing the way you did on the stretch,

It masks some of those sins. You reminded me of a pretty classic text rant from the spice rack. Are we, do you guys want to, it's filled with expletives. Do you think that our audience wants to hear it? I don't know, maybe you could clean it up so Ricky doesn't have to do so much work. Or maybe it'd be funny if you just let it rip. I don't know. Okay.

I don't know where to start because it went on for so long. But here we go. Patent Spicer. Fire that dip shit. Fire Zach. Dave Sula, greater than Zach Taylor. Bruce Coslet, greater than Zach Taylor. Dick Leboe, greater than Zach Taylor.

Schittiest fucking shithead in history. Picked a great time to establish the run. What a fuck-face asshole. Oh, boy. No follow-up text to that. The funny thing is Coslet over Taylor is actually the most vicious thing he said in there. Or Dave Shula. It was a Shula.

Shula cuts deep. Bengals fans, try to enjoy this. I understand the frustration. Try to enjoy this. It's a fun, exciting team. They might not win every game, but think where you were. two years ago. The last two weeks have been pretty heartbreaking if you're a Bengals.

Yeah, that said they're now the ninth seed. They've been bumped out of, you know. Fair enough. Okay, we got to keep moving here. Up next, let's head to Kansas City where the chiefs are looking to get their offense in gear. And running left. Falls out of Jacob Fumbles, picked up by Kansas City.

Turn five. Touchdown. Kansas City. Mike Hughes with the scoop and score on the very first. Play from scrimmage. Mitch Altus, WDAF. That was the game. Right there.

It was over after one play from scrimmage. The Raiders were ready to go home and they played like it for the next three and a half hours. Patrick Mahomes threw his first two touchdown passes in nearly a month. Clyde Edwards Allaire added two more scores on the ground. The Chief's defense continued its surge, forcing five turnovers, rolling to a 48 to 9 victory over. the Moorabund Raiders. They're Moribund now. That keeps Kansas

City comfortably ahead in the AFC West. You know, first of all, 48 points, nearly drop a 50 burger. So again, the temptation here is to say, ah, chiefs are good now in offense. I'm not quite there. I think they had 375 yards of total offense.

I think this was a game where, yes, you start with the defensive score. You do a nice job moving the ball, nothing like otherworldly like old school cheese, but definitely some strides in that department. And then a Raiders team that just weren't there to compete. And this is the same Raiders team. Remember there was that controversy where they took the bus and did like a celebration lap?

What was that last season? Yeah, that's right. And they stood on midfield and they did all this stuff. And, you know, that stuff always comes back to haunt teams when they do dumb stuff like that. Because that was obviously a point for the chiefs after the game that they just wanted to destroy this team after they try to embarrass. them at Arrowhead. So, yes, good job by the Chiefs. Getting right in, by the way, now that five-game winning streak is a six-game winning streak.

And if this is a sign that the offense is waking up a little bit, well, look out. Because if you do combine, maybe not record-setting offense, like the good old days, but a good offense with this very good defense right now, you're going to continue to win a lot of games. They're nine and four now. And the Raiders, six and seven and getting ready for a dirt day. It is the worst loss in the 61. year history of the Raiders.

That surprised me. 48-9 is brutal, but the whole history of the team. I got something else that will surprise you. Oh, okay. This game, and will annoy you, was a scurigami. I will say nothing else, but...

Eat it. Wow. Well, that is definitely the most interesting part of this game to me. I can't believe this. The Raiders season, look, the Chiefs have, their entire slump offensively has been interrupted now twice by 40 burgers against the Raiders.

They've slumped still against everyone else. Those are their two good games. But yet this Raiders collapse happening in the exact same way that it's happened the last couple of years. I don't know why I'm surprised. They have a winner-go-home game on Saturday afternoon. Good luck with that, Mark. You know, it's like the last Saturday before Christmas. You know, you've got to handle your family.

and there's a Browns Raiders game. Good by Saturday. I'm just saying that's kind of a winner-go-home game in the, you know, the Raiders technically for maybe for both, but certainly for the Raiders. I'm telling you, dude, it's over. It's over, but you have, the thing that's crazy to me is remember that there was that dolphin. It's almost like it happens at the same time every year, too, when they're officially gone.

There was that Dolphins Raiders game a year ago. It's just like, it's so depressing. And I think, I know I need to get eyes on this. game, but 20 for 24 for Patrick Mahomes is good, no matter how you cut it in 10.8 yards. Yeah, I don't want to undersell it either because given their struggles and they've been fairly immense Kansas City for most of this season, just any time you could, you know, run for 130 yards. You know, he threw for 258 Mahomes. You're still not getting, you know, Tyreek popped off one for 38 yards. You're still not getting like those huge, huge games. Travis Kelsey,

again quiet but this was you know great win and it was over quickly five turn of five you know you win the turnover merger five to nothing there's no darren waller out there that is ugly the d i know it's the i know it's the raiders and they clearly number one if you don't match up well against the best team in your division good luck but uh the defense for kansas city is there's no questioning how powerful they've become and that can lead you i mean it doesn't have to look like it looked in the past for the chiefs i mean this is also a game where josh gordon who turned 38, four weeks ago, had a touchdown. So, you know, impressive.

What are you talking about? I'm just saying, I feel like we've been talking about Josh Gordon for 17 years. So I'm assuming he's 38. I think he's been 29 for 12 straight years. But, yeah, it was like a one-yard touchdown where it was one of those Mahomes runs. That's really a pass. But good for Josh Gordon. He's overcome a lot.

Yeah, at Browns, home Broncos, at Colts, versus Chargers. Technically, Browns, the Raiders are still alive. But, oh, there it is. That's when the soul of a team goes up into the net or all. It's gone. They're gone. The Raiders are gone. It's not the same as forked because that's a full vote.

I can only tell you when I hear it and that happened. I know, but, Dan, they are a totally broken boat leaking barrels of water. But what happens when they off Cleveland next week? They're in the heavens? It's not happening. Did you hear that? Or was that just in my head? No, I heard it.

It was the soul going up, right? That's gone. I'm not sure of the 2021 Raiders. I'm not sure I believe, but we will. All right. Let's pause right here and take a break. We'll be right back. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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A big hit by Denzel Ward. Denzel Ward hit him right on the button at the 45, and the bronze get the ball back. Game set match. Okay. All right. Give it to him. Give it to Mark. Give it to Shuck.

Jim Donovan. We got the bongoes, Chuck. Jim Donovan. With the call, WKRK. Do the Browns deserve bongos? Yes, you are not going to be in charge of everything. When you beat Tyler Huntley, barely, you got to get the bongos. All right, both of you.

And exhale, the Browns nearly allowed Tyler Huntley and the Ravens to pull off a miracle victory. But the defense got the big stop on fourth down near midfield. It secured a vitally important 24, 22 win at the dog pound. Yes, Huntley replaced Lamar Jackson, who was ineffective before exiting the game with an ankle injury in the second quarter. Shuki, welcome back, buddy. How are you? I'm great.

You're wearing a Steelers winter cap there for a second, but don't believe this case. This is Cleveland Cavaliers, baby. There you go. Shooky, curious, what was the level of internal terror when Baltimore recover that onside kick in the final minute? Is there, what's this scale on? Is this one to ten? One to ten is like, pee your pants.

175. Oh, wet pants. Change them pants. Yeah, a rough little ending there, but I guess you take some strength out of the team's ability to stop that final drive? Yeah, I mean, you're playing against Tyler Huntley, who, by the way, led a game when he drive against the Bears recently.

So it's not like he's the worst quarterback in the league, but it's still Tyler Huntley, and you let him run all over you a little bit, and you let him throw the ball up and down the field and mount a comeback. But you do take a little bit of excitement and enjoyment out of that. Jadevi and Clowney coming up with a big, sack on second down. Denzel Ward with a nice stick on fourth down to stop them well short of

the sticks on a play call that I'm sure the Ravens will want back. So you're happy about the defense. You're still concerned about the fact that the offense couldn't do anything in the second half, could not put their foot on the throat and put this game away when they had multiple opportunities to. And if you're the Browns, you're happy to still be alive in a division that is very wide open after the Bengals lost to beat the Ravens. I mean, it's all right there in front of it. I feel like because, yet, it was concerning. And when it was 24 to 6, I told Greg that I was nervous. And, you know, understandably, logically were said, just shut up with that.

They're fine. No, you said the Ravens are going to win. And at that point, it was 24 to 9, and the Ravens had the ball with 90 yards to go. And it was like in the fourth quarter. I'm like, I haven't watched this game, but that's crazy. You know what? You were kind of right. Well, I mean, I just think that we're conditioned to what the low points these teams are possible.

But if anything, from a more like esoteric angle, no one's going to remember the details of this game a week or two from now. They needed to off a division opponent like the Ravens to shut a lot of negativity up. I mean, you could feel the frustration from Baker Mayfield at that one juncture where I don't know if it was the league or the team, pulled him off the field after that terrible hit he took, and he was in the face of the medical guy saying,

don't make me go in that blue tent. And even like after he had been there in a minute, he piqued his head out to see what the next play was. And then he was back on the field at some point. I also, this seemed sort of emblematic of the game to me. They kept shooting or showing images of Lake Erie, and it looked like an angry Baltic Sea. I mean, it looked insane out there.

You were on the scene, or at least in the city. What's going on there? It's been extremely windy here for the last 48 hours to the point where I was carrying a cardboard box outside yesterday with my girlfriend trying to take her to Nordstrom rack to return some stuff, and I basically almost got blown over by the wind. The box went flying. Wow.

So that very choppy waters out there. but I thought you were actually going to point out the color of the watermark, which was a nice tinge of depressed brown. And not the brown of the browns wear, but just like a gross lake water brown. Yeah. But, you know, I know you enjoy every win against the Ravens, but the Browns, to me, are a unique team this year in that they've had a lot of wins

you kind of can't totally enjoy. Like the Lions win didn't totally enjoy that one. There was that Vikings win early in the season. I'm not so sure about that. Even that Texans game early, didn't really enjoy that. The fact that this is a team that their trademark was the ability to run in the fourth quarter and grind teams out, lose Kareem Hunt to what could be a big injury. And Chubb struggles.

And Baltimore, who's so short-handed and lost Gleas Campbell during the game rallies back, that it feels like it's about as bad a win over the Ravens, at least, as is possible. That's it. A win is a win, though? I think that's all they want right now, especially. the way they lost to them two weeks ago, another game that they easily could have won if they could do anything offensively.

The fact that they were able to pull this one out by building that lead and hanging on for dear life, they all count the same. And at this point in the year, that's all that matter. Lamar, we need to find out the severity of this ankle injury. You know, he goes out in the second quarter. He limps off, can't really put a ton of weight on it and that gets carted and doesn't return.

So, you know, they're cooked. Tyler does make some plays and he has good mobility. But also, he strikes me as, like, fairly unique in that I don't know too many quarterbacks and he's young I think he's in a second season where he almost is not aware that other players are chasing him the blind side shots he takes and the way he holds the ball so it's almost like he has so much to learn in terms of awareness it costs them on a couple

different plays including a turnover in the red zone so if Lamar is missing any extended amount of time I think the Ravens are have a very real chance because even with Jackson in the lineup the offense is so bad right now they play the Packers and then at the Bengals and then the Rams. That is a rough stretch. There's a chance. And on the brown side of thing,

I do still feel the same way. They did not score a point in the second half. It's such a conservative offense now, less than 300 yards here. I know Baker after the game said he was, he's feeling better than he's felt, but there's just no juice to this team on offense. I'm not buying the feeling better thing.

I mean, I just think that this is a quarterback struggling in every possible way. They don't have. Does he have to be in the lineup if he's playing at this level? I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. They don't have a clear cut number one wide out. They were without two tight ends that I think are important at Baker today.

They could. They haven't been, it's two straight games against the Ravens. They haven't been able to run the ball. In the first game, you picked off Lamar four times and lost. In this game, Lamar barely played and you nearly lost. I think that should be a heat check, whether you came out of here with a victory or not. I have one question. At one point in that game, at one point in the game, the Ravens had more points than they had first downs,

and it still ended up a two-point finish. It should be concerning. Yeah, very wild. ending to the game. One question, Mark, when we drafted this week, I took the Browns game because you said you needed a break and didn't want to watch it. You very clearly watched the game close. So here's what happened. We were on the break. We were. I took, I was under the impression that Bengals Niners was a 1 p.m. game and it got moved to 4 p.m. So I got that ugly 2, 4 p.m. thing. So I had, you know, the ability and the bandwidth to watch it. Had it. I can confirm this. He

came in talking about it. He was suddenly surprised. He's like, what? That's that 4-20. They did move that game. So he was looking at an older thing on pro football reference. I like my day to get less frenetics. So I always start with more games.

And then, you know, I got killed today. The point of it was, though, that you needed a break from them entirely. That's true. Yeah, but if I really wanted a break, I'd be like in a park somewhere, like, you know, like eating a picnic barrel. Sure, Foss. You watched the Browns game more closely than your, quote, primary game, Tennessee, Jacksonville. We see what you're doing here.

You better bet. your ass I did. You better bet your ass. All right, let's move on. Here's Newton. He's going to throw. Quit shot. Intercepted. Michael Walker. And he's got road in front of him. Walker will score 15, 10, 5, a pick six off Cam Newton and Atlanta leads. West Durham with a call, WZGC. Linebacker, Michael Walker, returned to an interception of Cam Newton, 6 to 6 to 6.6. yards for a touchdown. The Falcons improved to six and two on the road this year. 29-21, they beat up on the Panthers. Shucky, Atlanta, they're not good, like, at all, but they are undeniable,

undeniably in the NFC playoff picture with four games to play. Yeah, I had that moment today when I looked at their record on the, on the score graphic and thought to myself, oh, no, this team has a legit shot to make the playoffs, and I don't know what I'm getting from this team on a week of the basis. Yes, yeah, it's terrible because, This is the one situation in which the third wildcard might actually produce like a bad team. Like last year, Washington kind of got hot going to the playoffs that made for an interesting affair. You know, we had to watch Trubisky win the Nickelodeon valuable player award.

That was pretty rough. Yeah. I mean, this is the, this game was between two similar teams that was kind of a snoozer in the fourth quarter, which is more emblematic of where the Panthers are headed right now. I think you have to be proud of the Falcons because of what they're doing, I think, with the talent that they have. because, I mean, you've got Kyle Pitts who's, who's flashed at times, but you haven't had Calvin Ridley for a long time. You know, it's just, you can tell when they're out there and they're quadrioleson's getting carries and you're throwing to Russell Gage. This is not a team that's loaded with talent. And yet, they are scrappy.

And in a game like this, they're playing a team that's similar. They're both kind of just out there existing right now. You know, they took advantage. They forced the team. I mean, they watch this game the first time around, though. and Carolina wiped the floor with them physically, like ran it 49 times and just like bossed them around. And so to me it's telling it's these two young coaches

that Atlanta comes back around. They were like negative 100 million points point differential this year. They were 32nd in DVOA coming into this week. And yet they're six and seven. And I think looking at these two teams, you can say one team is better coached. And Carolina, who you bring in Cam Newton, that's a mess. I know that.

But you score 21 points with him and PJ Walker. and your defense comes back on the field when your offense cuts it to one score late and all you got to do is get one stop and you can give your offense a chance and their defense could not get off the field and you know what Kyle Pitts I know he only went 5 for 61 but he always makes big like game winning type

third and 13 conversion so that doesn't show up in your fantasy box score Dan but I think he's I think he's won them a couple games I was going to say my frustration and he has you're right he's made some big plays my frustration has nothing to do with Kyle Pitts the player or the prospect I think he's really talented and has a chance to have a great career.

But at one point I tweeted in the first quarter, Kyle Pitts' fantasy owner is looking at the box score and realizing yet another 4-38-0 outings upon us with Jack Nicholson from the Shining, knocking down all the dishes. With four minutes left in this game, he had four catches for 38 yards and zero touchdowns. Then he got the big catch. That was huge.

But anyway, the Falcons offense is a little sleepy and dreary, but they're in the mix. I shook. This came across my email, something that you wrote, to flip it to Carolina and their coaching issues. Matt Rule's spaghetti-at-the-wall approach is growing tiresome. I have been a big supporter of Rule, but the last Fortnite has been about as ugly as it could get for Matt Rule

and the whole idea of what he was bringing to Carolina. Yeah, I'm glad you said this because this is my bone to pick with them. I am out on Matt Rule, like completely out. He cans his offensive coordinator and, you know, makes him the scapegoat, hands the job off to his lifelong buddy, and they put up 21 points while rotating, quarterbacks at times. What is the point of rotating court? What are you trying to figure out what you have in PJ Walker? We know what you have in PJ Walker. An XFL star who is a backup quarterback

in the NFL. Why are you wasting your time doing this? Well, I play the temple too and that matters to the head coach. Yeah. Okay. All right. The background. I mean, is, is P.J. Walker much worse than 2021, and I love Kim Newton. And I'm just saying. But why the process of going back and forth between them? That, and that's my point is, what is the point that we're going back and forth between you? I could add maybe a little context just that I saw some of the beat reporter saying that thing you've heard about Cam because he's signed in the middle of the season. He doesn't have a good level of knowledge in the two minute drill in in the playbook. So they put in Walker at the end of the half. That's why he went in and that's why Cam came back in the third quarter.

But even then, it's just like, what are we doing here? Like what are we doing, Matt? You know that two minute drill that they put him in for? You know how it ended? PJ Walker throwing one of the worst picks I've seen this year. There you go. I mean, that's the past. I'm done.

I'm done with them. And we're going to get to Urban Meyer because I think he's roadkill, basically. But I think rule, when you're going to get to that six to eight number at the end of the year on Black Monday, I think rule despite that contract that he signed is very much in danger right here. Yeah, that's depressing. Plus there's four games left, Mark. So let's say they lose them all. You know what I mean?

Then that plays a big factor. Like if they lose it all, it keeps getting worse and it's five and 12, that hurts. Well, I think we all know the owner is an impatient individual. All right. One more game was Shooky, and we're lucky to have him. Hand off to Gordon. Gordon, a big hole 10. Gordon to the five. Gordon into the end zone.

Touchdown, Denver. 14 yards on the touchdown scamper as he walks into the end zone. The Broncos honored the memory of Demarius Thomas with emotional tributes and a 3810 win over the Lions, running back to Javante Williams and Melvin Gordon. Each scored a pair of touchdowns, and Draymont Jones had. a big game. Two sacks of Jared Goff. So obviously a very emotional day in Denver. Demaris Thomas died at his Georgia home on Thursday, age 33. They're still working through the details of what exactly happened, but a tragic loss, obviously, for one of the greatest players in franchise history

at the wide receiver position, several Broncos arrived at the stadium wearing number 88 jerseys, kicker Brandon McManus, wore custom cleats featuring Thomas's smile. Whereas a pre-game moment of silence, a video tribute featuring Thomas's 80-yard touchdown catch from Tim Tebow in that famous playoff game. And then it all culminated with the Broncos taking the field with just 10 men to start the game, the first snap in honor of Thomas. It was a five-yard penalty. Of course, the Lions declined the delay of game. So, you know, shook a really sad time. And Broncos for that organization, they were able to process that and play a really strong game. and kind of keep themselves in the mix in the AFC as well.

A really strong game and a good bounce back performance for them after that frustrating loss to the Chiefs in prime time last week. You know, this is another team that's right there in the hunt. This is a game that, you know, you couldn't afford to be kind of a trap game, especially the Lions coming off of that victory. And they took care of business and what was a somber day that they also handled with extreme class, I think. You know, you could say a lot about the franchise and the way they've operated since the

passing of Pat Bowlin. And this is one of their, you know, brighter moments, both on the field and just in terms of their own history and honoring, you know, one of the legends of that team. And for them from their season outlook, you know, you get right back on the horse and you keep going forward. And it's a positive day for them. I mean, you get a strong day out of your running attack. You kind of dominate the game. And you take care of business.

So good on them. They called 18 runs to five passes in the first two drives. You don't see that too often. And it was 14 nothing. It's like a lot of people have been getting on Melvin. Gordon this year because I just went to Giovante Williams show and Giovanni Williams like made a great spin move on his touchdown. Melvin

Gordon's good ball player. You want to have two good running backs. It's a great combo. It's a Vic Fangio dream and this team who's just the exact picture of mediocrity gets to that Cincinnati game next week. Still in that mix. Still in that seven and six mix where one of those two teams, whoever wins that game is going to have a nice little juice. What if you are coming into the end? What if you

where Vic Fangio and you told ownership back in August, we'll have the same record as the Buffalo Bills coming out of week 14. I guess. I mean, even if you had just said, we'll be seven and six, I think they'd be like, okay. I would sell it. I would sell it with the bill's angle. I think that would probably be shinier. Let's see where the Broncos are. I'm looking at the updated playoff standings going into Sunday night football. They're 10th. They're up two spots. They're 10th. But they're tied. I mean, they're tied with the six spot. It's crazy that that there's one game between like the four and the 13 or the or the 10 rather it's crazy there's five aFC teams that are seven and six hello parody all right chuky uh thank you for

joining us pal and we'll catch up with you next week and make sure to check out nick's great work on nfl dot com and he's all over the network now shook making a little play you know we wanted to be successful it's like when sam donald was traded to the panthers uh we want it. We want him to find success in his new home because he's a good guy, but just don't become too successful. What do you mean? He works for the NFL. What do you mean new home? Well, I don't want him to take over power rankings. I don't want him to take my chair here around the NFL. I want him to have his own lane where he's successful, but he doesn't impact me in a negative way. Seems fair. Like not a crazy request. I mean, Shook will be at the bottom of that Lake Erie scenario if he gets too

close to Dan, trust me, or Greg especially, please. Whoa. I mean, cinder blocks around my ankle. I don't want that. I don't want to be at the bottom way, Gary. There goes the pipe. What's up with you, Mark? What was that comment? Especially. Speaking truth.

Please. You just said you don't want him near anything that you are doing. I was joking and then you came in with some like, because I was just saying when I saw Greg's mind working. So I just was translating Greg's mind. Ricky, did you notice like I'm joking around over here and then Mark's throwing 98 up around the head? Erica totally gets what I'm saying, right, Erica? Well, I.

By the way, don't come out to Erica either. So throwing it at me makes it better? I feel like we should take a minute and just like recompose ourselves. Everybody take a deep breath. We've got a lot of show left. We'll be back after the break. Just set fire to the whole room. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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Camgod, KRLD, with the call. The Cowboys led Washington 24-Zip and 27-8 before Kyle Allen replaced and injured. Taylor Heineke, led a 73-yard touchdown drive. And then Cole Holcomb intercepted Dak, ran it back for a pick six. But Washington's comeback bid came to an end when Alan fumbled with 24 to play. Final score, Cowboys 27, Washington 20, a preordained outcome after Big Bad Zaddy. Mike McCarthy foretold it and shared his visions with the masses. The big, the big bad Zaddy made it all about him.

We're going to win this game. I'm confident that, confident that, confident that. We're going to win this game, confident, confident, confident, confident. Yeah, the Zaddy. I like it. It's like, I want everyone to talk about me. Lock it up, baby. Get on the side of the big bad Zaddy.

That's what's going on here. Get on the side of the big bad Zaddy. Well, congratulations. Greggy, too. Oh, yeah. Oh, and the Westlings, they locked up the bucks. Got away with that one. Ricky locked up the bye week.

Wait, you didn't make a pick? Yeah, she did. She locked up the... Yeah, I picked the bills. Because I really was like, the bills, you know, the... That's a lock for you. You wanted the other team to win, right? Yeah, I won.

Yeah, lock it up again. We're flying. The Titans won. Gravediggers back there. Hit him up. I mean, the Cowboys were outscored 20 to 3 in a game where, for the most part, their defense was absolutely dominant where they hit Taylor Heineke's so many times that he was injured.

It was like that, like this was the blown lead that felt the flukiest. At no point did I think Washington was going to complete this. And yet, the Cowboys getting the ball seven times in the second half, just like that Saints game. Although the Saints game, they won by a lot, seven times in the second half, and they got three points. And you know how they scored those three points?

Their offense set them up in field goal range, and then they had a 15-yard drive. They did nothing. It's weird. Cowboys fans are freaking out right now because Dak had a game where he could have thrown about four interceptions. He did not play well in the first half. when they got out to about a 24-0-0 lead.

I was thinking this is exactly like Thursday night where Kirk Cousins is somehow having one of his worst games of the year and they're winning 29 to nothing. It was very similar to that. And you add that all up and it is concerning. And yet you do have to remember the other side counts too. And the Cowboys defense is freaking amazing. I'm looking at this.

This is one of the weirder and more incredible drive charts I've seen all year. 11 of 14 marches for Washington went for 11 yards or less. The first half was as dominant a defensive performance as any half of football all year. The Washington football team had six drives. In those six drives, they turned the ball over twice. They had a total of 29 yards on those six drives. And if the Cowboys could have held on to some interceptions,

they actually touched the ball far more in the first half. I counted it up six or six, I think it was six passes defense, about four of those were dropped interceptions. Heineke was a mess, and he only had two or three completion. So at that point in the game, like the Cowboys were just running all over this team. And yet the offense, like, should have put up 60 points in this game. It was crazy. It's very weird.

I mean, just the box score here, Dack averages five and a half yards at attempt, the Gabbard zone. Zeke with another, you know, forgettable game, less than four yards of carry. He sat for most of the second half as Clement played. Wow. He's hurt. He's hurt. Because, you know, we had no Pollard in this game. he was out as well.

So, you know, even with Pollard, not in the mix, they still didn't think Zeke was a guy who could make it through the game. And I guess he couldn't. So it's like, man, I think, and we talked about this going into this game, both on the podcast and on the TV show, that is DAC going to kind of come, you know, back to being the DAC that was an MVP-level guy. And, man, it's starting to mount.

The weeks are starting on Mount Mark, where it's just not happening here. And yet, I mean, just with the way the league is and with the way it's been for quarterbacks this season, Like, I'm willing more than ever to forgive slumps. And, you know, we could be weeks away from Prescott getting in a hot streak again at the right time. They put them, they basically won the NFC East today. And that was up for grabs if they had lost this game.

So that's important. Like, you're right. They have four games left, a pretty favorable schedule. They're nine and four. Can they turn it around? They have the personnel to do it. And just the way that this, like Parsons added another couple massive plays for his defensive player that you're going to see. Gregory returns to this game.

Randy Gregory jumps over a cut block, tips it up in the air, and intercepts a pass and forces a phone. Like, players matter, and they're getting these players back, and, like, they still have all the players that should get it done. But the DAC thing's weird.

He's very indecisive, and he's, like, almost afraid to run. There were multiple times today where he could have picked up a first down with his legs, and he didn't, and they punted the ball because he just sort of held it and hesitated. Makes you think. Jane's point made me think too.

It makes me think more of his health though because there's nothing about the personality we know of Dak from Hard Knocks and Beyond that says anything about fear or trepidation. Yeah, Jane had said that maybe the injuries he suffered is leading to something even if it's not like in his mind directly that he's not running and performing as an athlete and in his natural way and being a little bit more gun-shy.

So we'll see. And on the Washington side, yeah, this was their chance. They're taking to get back into the division race. the defense balls out and they still don't find a way that's a frustrating loss let us move on rolling to his right as herbert sets his feet takes a shot down field has guyton pot touchdown charges there is one quarterback in the NFL that can make that play and he is on the field here this afternoon and it makes no sense yeah that in the best of list right that money smith our boy the voice of god for the round

the NFL podcast also gets a paycheck from k ysr chargers radio great call justin herbert is a savage in the pocket the second year stud through three touchdown passes including that impossible missile to jalen guyton he's done two he's done that two weeks in a row just crazy passes in the end zone to guyton 37 21 chargers beat giants Mark, we challenge the Chargers to take care of business and act the part of an actual AFC contender. They did it today. They absolutely did. Setting up a monstrous game on Thursday night with the Chiefs.

And go back and listen to that call again from money because there's an obviously distinct pause after he threw the ball and when it was caught. I mean, this was one of the biggest ropes I've ever seen from any NFL quarterback of all time to the point where Daniel Jeremiah said that he's never seen a throw like that. And, I mean, yes, it came against the Giants, which to me, I mean, the Giants at this point are not unlike when someone unleashes like a killer fart in a car in the middle of winter. Like, you're in a tough place. A second fart reference. Well, that's what they seem like to me. But the opponent has nothing to do with that unbelievable ability.

No, it's separate. And this was the Chargers taking care of business. And, you know, Mike Williams, a second week in a row with Total Chemistry with Herbert, they just thump the Giants who were in a terrible place. And, you know, we had a conversation. about like Sequin Barclay just doesn't look right to me in this offense, but forget the Giants. I think this was about, you know, the Chargers, this is a classic scenario where you could have imagined them getting clipped like 27, 24 and taking all the wind out of the sales.

It adds faith in Brandon Staley. It adds incredible faith in Justin Herbert, who when he gets on a role, the height with the height of their powers, the Chargers can beat any team in the league. This was another awesome Bosa performance, by the way. I mean, they had some inspired performances all over the field. Leads the league in Force Fumbles, Joey Bosa. They were up 37 to 7 with five minutes to go in a game they lost the turnover battle, two to nothing. I think Herbert's just like the evolution of the NFL is like the players always get better.

That's what I think. Like just in terms of physical ability. And to me, Herbert and Mahomes just do things I haven't seen before. I think the throws that Herbert makes are throws I haven't necessarily seen before. And that is just, when it's right, it's so fun to watch. And seeing Guyton and then Josh Palmer also went 566 and 1 in this game, those two guys coming on and being factors really, I think, can help round out their offense. Austin Eckler remains an important part of this offense.

He went out with an injury, anything on that money. So Brandon Staley said afterwards, you know, he just want to wait until the next day, but that he thought he was fine. And he also said that Keenan Allen should be back on Thursday. night as well. So I mean, that's, you know, this offense. I love that this game is happening against Kansas City when it is because this is the most steamy version of the Chargers we've seen all year. And we'll preview that game, you know, in full on Tuesday because that is, I think, such an important game in the arc of this organization. I'm not going to like, I don't want to

oversell it, but, you know, if they really show up and beat the defending conference champions, they are all of a sudden, a lot of people are going to see them differently. But in the here and now, they took care of business. And that's important. important anything else to add on this one just housekeeping is that they said Daniel jones is going to see a different neck specialist on monday and just the way they framed it and it's a neck injury four games left of the season it just wouldn't be surprised if if he's put down for the year and they're kind of thinking about that draft pick maybe right neck injury plus four and nine plus middle of december i mean the chances that you see you're

judge with a thousand yards stare that does not let me's you concerned lenny williams also got hurt in this game. Joe Judge taken three timeouts with four minutes left down like 30 points trying to get the best back to our cover of the season. Giants backers were loving that. That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. He's taking

the timeouts down 30 points. It was all good. Hey, man. That's right out of the Tom Coughlin book. All right, Joe Judge could be in trouble. You could say the same for Urban Meyer. He had a chance to put another week of ugly controversy behind him against the division rival

Titans. It didn't really go to plan, however. Tannahill rolling to the left, turns, runs, scores, finger rolled. Touchdown! Tight! Yes, sir! Yes, sir. Mike Keith with a call WGFX. The finger roll is the most underrated touchdown celebration in the NFL.

It's the Ryan Tannahill kind of does the Air Jordan thing and then does the spin of the ball away. I just like it. Tannhill didn't throw a touchdown on Sunday, But he ran for one, and that was all the Titans would need, and a 20-to-zip win over the completely depressing Jacksonville's Jaguars. Tennessee snaps a three-game losing streak, fortified their standings atop the AFC South with four weeks to go. Also, the first home shutout in more than two decades, surprising nug there. Mark, Tennessee desperately needed a performance, and more to the point, an opponent like this. Came at the perfect time.

We don't need the Tennessee Titans to be. like a flock of hotties at this point. They're living life on the razor's edge. They got a lot from their defense today. You know, the last two games, it was nine turnover giveaways for the Titans, which unspooled them. They did it today to Jacksonville. I mean, Jacksonville had a big part of this. Their offense is, it just doesn't exist. And Trevor Lawrence had his worst game of the year. He's been put in a terrible environment, but a lot of it has to do with the pressure that Tennessee put on them. Their ball hawking secondary. I mean, it just, this team to me, it's like classic team win where, you know, Tannahill does not, Julio Jones, four catches for 33 yards.

He's not coming in and saving the day, but Tannahill spread the ball all around. He had like a really rough and tumble 17-yard run early that was followed by an unnecessary roughness that set up an important score. He had a touchdown run later on. He did just enough. And I talked to Graverdigger during this game. I think we thought, you know, this was a complete team win for a team that's very incomplete right now. personnel-wise.

I totally agree. Uh-oh. Yeah, forget about the game. Graver, anything, first of all, was the wife listening, and not your wife, not our wives, thankfully, listening to the podcast on Thursday? No. All right, good.

Yeah. Any other blowback from your appearance? No, no. You're operating the machine use of words there. What did I say? Blowback. Did, let me ask you this, before we get to the game. because a lot of people were left wondering.

Yeah. Are you looking to enter into a romantic relationship with this woman? I would say yes, but not in any way that is unethical or immoral. No judgment zone here. No, man. I'm starting to piece together in my mind what's happening here. What's your theory? I'm just going to posit a theory.

that she is in like an open marriage of some sorts where she's allowed to do what she's doing because you say there's no ethical issues. Mark's fantasy scenario comes in now. Maybe your ethics are not challenged by it. I'm just saying, are nobody's ethics challenged by it. It's not an open marriage situation.

Well, okay, okay. Well, maybe she doesn't need that to be told. This is great stuff. Yeah, that's excellent. All right, we're going to continue to get updates on Graver. Hit his music, and now I want to get his thoughts on the Titans. Once we hear that and that's another episode of

I don't know what we're calling this digging something other than a grave digging the grave of that marriage oh god all right your thoughts on the Titans did you feel better about the team now there was also a report inevitable report you kind of were expecting it at some point

that Derek Henry is on track to return for the playoffs and maybe even week 18 the Titans need a regular season win to get in. You combine it with a 20-0-0 lead. How are you feeling, Justin? I feel pretty good about the Titans right now that Henry Report is super encouraging.

You're looking ahead, and A.J. Brown should be back. Not this next game for the one following that. There's a night football against the Niners. So I think the defense, I mean, the shutout is a pretty impressive thing, especially because the Jaguars drove the ball deep into Tennessee territory a couple times where it felt like the shutout was going to be threatened, but then they came up with,

whether it was an interception or Jacksonville committed a penalty and pushed themselves backwards. It's tough to really judge too much because Jacksonville's so inept. All right. So let's talk about that. So Tom Pelliserro NFL Network reported actually on Good Morning Football. He really dropped these bombs with the great Connie Fox hosting all sorts of heat involving things going on behind the scenes with the Jaguars with Urban Meyer. seeing eye to eye with players, with him calling out his coaches and having his assistant coaches explain their credentials and talk about himself as a winner and what have you won,

just like the ugliest most grim stuff ever. And of course, now that's all anyone wants to talk about after the game, especially after a shutout loss. Here was Urban, just a quick snippet of what Urban Meyer had to say after the latest Jaguar's loss. What's the answer? Start leaking information or some nonsense? No. No, that's nonsense. That's garbage. That's, you know, that's once again, I've been very blessed. I've not really dealt with that. I've not dealt with, well, did you hear what he said? That will occupy very little at my time. And if there is a source, that source is unemployed. I mean, within seconds, if there's some source that's doing that.

to me it just screams like hi i'm as pompous as it gets i'm above everyone and i think that these reports are damaging i think they're true i mean he also spends half the time on the sideline looking like he ate a squirrel's head he looks uncomfortable he looks out of place and i think he can tell that the urban mire aura or persona that some people are calling legendary because of what he did in college has come to the nfl and been completely undone I mean, he's an offensive coach. This offense is unwatchable every week. Trevor Lawrence has one touchdown since the by week.

He had four interceptions today. Every week, it's the same thing. It's a battle to score one touchdown. Two never happens. You look at actions, you know what I mean? Like Marvin Jones is really well respected as like a leader type of guy. He was mentioned in that report as someone who left practice had to be convinced whether he would come back. James Robinson, like, known for being, like, great story, great guy.

He's involved in all this. Then you look at Mike Vrable and Urban Meyer's handshake at the end of the game. Vrable worked for Urban Meyer for two years, and it was like the biggest fly-by, disrespectful move. I don't know which way, was more disrespectful. By Meyer. By Meyer. No eye contact. By both of that pompous nature.

He wouldn't even look at him in the eye. Rable also didn't even slow down. It is just a disaster. And that's why watching this offensive performance, and every week and then seeing somehow that the early line of next week's game is Jaguars by three and a half that the rainmaker is actually coming out on a Sunday night recap show. Take that three and a half before it goes down to three because everyone's going Texans next week. Texans are going to cover that one.

All right. There you go, Gregie. That's what I'm talking about. You got a stick. Roll with it, baby. Well, I'm 11 and 1 against the spread today. So I'm just feeling myself. So, yeah, I needed just a reason to go there.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Handoff now. Camara again, bouncing to the right side, moves inside the 10, 5. He is into the end zone. right side, Alvin Camara, 16 yards. Touchdown, New Orleans. Mike Haas, WWL with the call. Alvin Kamara ran for 120 yards and a touchdown in his return from a four-game absence. The Saints snapped their longest losing streak under Sean Payton and a 30 to 9 win over the Jets at the Meadowlands that had been a five-game losing streak

for New Orleans. But the Jets are the elixir for most teams that need to get right. That was certainly the case here. Tassum Hill, you know, he's got that finger thing and it's an issue. I don't, he's already kind of a limited passer and there were several throws where it just didn't look like it came out of his hand right. Maybe those throws don't come out of his hand right even when the finger is not busted up the way it is. But either way, I have concerns about Taysam Hill against, you know, a big opponent in a big

spot because I think the Saints are going to hang around and be in this NFC playoff picture. he had a touchdown run when the game still mattered. He added a garbage time run to really juice the stats a little bit. But I would give him a C-plus for the game. The defense was much better. It really shut down the Jets. We're missing a lot of guys. Zach Wilson, again, not playing very well.

You give him a little bit of a pass because of the lack of supporting cast in this game. No Corey Davis, no Elijah Moore, who went on IR. We cannot catch a break. No Michael Carter. He's on IR. No Tevin Coleman. The Jets were 3 of 14 on 3rd down and only had 2. 256 yards of offense.

So the same to take care of business. They stay in the mix in the NFC. They're six and seven. They're one of six NFC teams. That's six and seven. They are actually, you know, as tiebreakers go, they're last among that group. But their defense, I think, has shown,

and they're getting a little bit healthier overall in general, has shown that they can keep bad offenses down. Now, they go to Tampa next week. They're not going to win that game. But they do have the Dolphins Panthers, Falcons to finish up. All of those games feel winnable, at least. It's possible. And I think this coaching staff, Saints fans sort of wanted to just throw this season away

because it's been painful and they're done. But it's like, no, I think actually you're going to be there in Atlanta, week 18, and that game is going to be meaningful. 9 and 8 is very doable. I like that schedule a lot. And I mean, I think Alvin Kamara, who had 94 of 129 first half yards for the team, I mean, completely changes what they can accomplish. I mean, Tason Hill is the finger thing or not,

is not, I don't think he's going to leave. them there. I think they have to come to that conclusion if you're Sean Peyton. But with Kamara, I mean... Well, but you get the 11 for 73 and two touchdowns on the ground and maybe you're helping Kamara out in terms of... Are we over this experiment after the season? But go as far as you can this year. And I mean, they were just a dead offense without Kamara before. I mean, I will never question Sean Payton's ability to call a football game on offense. But I was surprised for most of this game, and maybe it was, it had something to do with the finger as well. I don't know. but they were not using Taysam Hill

the way they did against Dallas for stretches where they just said, we're going to call some design runs and just pick up seven yards, nine yards, 14 yards. That was not happening. For about three quarters of this game, he was just a pocket passer with a bad finger and it was just like, this is not going to work against the better team.

So I think you would want to see more of that working the run game into it. But it just, Kamara is the guy that he's the difference maker. As long as he's healthy and doing things, his touchdown, he made a Jets defender look silly. And he's one of the few guys in the league that can do that that can just make defenders look like JV players

in high school. So 31 touches. It's like these guys come off IR and they're like, get back to work. Anyway, good job by the Saints. Stay in the mix. They got a chance here. And the Jets,

well, the Jets are what the Jets are. And I am a little worried about Zach Wilson. I know it's year one. We'll get to it more. I'm not. I'm past anger and now maybe acceptance. I don't know. But let's move on to Houston.

Second down and seven run by Penn. any left side, breaks one tackle. First down, he is gone. 30, 20, 10, 10, 5. Touchdown, Seahawks. Steve Rayble with a call, K-I-R-O. This is like that, like, Joe Montana waves at John Candy and then goes and wins a Super Bowl.

Music, maybe not a perfect fit for this version of the Seahawks. Possibly not. Who improved to, what, four and eight or whatever, five and eight. Russell Wilson threw for 260 yards and two touchdowns. Rashad Penny ran for, a career high 137 and two scores and a 3310 win over the decaying Texans. Greg, the Seahawks are not very good. And yet two straight wins puts them on the fringes of the NFC wildcard race.

You buying? You buy it? No, because they're playing the Rams next week. But if they could ever get that game, then I'm buying. Well, because the Rams have owned them in recent years. And they're a good team this year and the Seahawks, you know, haven't been. but I'm buying a little bit because if you get past that

I'm going to ask you again just give me a yes or no you're buying? I'll buy it. All right he's in baby. The Rainmaker's also buying the Texans next week who you just said her to Cain.

Oh no. This was kind of an old school like run run Russ game which is like the old Seahawks offense like run twice to set up third and eight and then Russell Wilson makes a nice play. 28 passes for 260 yards. Lock it goes for 142 as you mentioned

and Rashad Penny who's been about as criticized as any first round pick in recent memory just because he's a running back and he plays for the like the savvy Seahawks Twitter fans at a career game. So that's nice. Nice day for the Penny brothers. His brother, Eliza, Eli, with a two-point conversion and running it in for the Giants today. So what a day for Mr. and Mrs. Penny out there. Gotta love it. I don't know what else to say in this game. Greg just assumes that there's a Mr. and Mrs. Penny. I'm sure the homework's not been done there. We don't know. Yeah, you're right. It crossed my mind.

It's too late. I hope everyone's there. But no, Russell Wilson really has looked better the last few weeks. Bobby Wagner's been all over the field the last couple weeks. And Davis Mills at one point in this game was 14 for 14 for 150 yards in a touchdown. How about that? That is the most by a rookie of straight completions since 1991 in the most in Texans history. So a banner day for the Houston Texans.

It finishes with 331 on 49 throws. It got way less efficient after that. They didn't do much of anything for a while. But there are moments when Davis Mills is like, well, he's a backup, at least. Like, he's an NFL backup, I think, at least. I've seen worse rookies. I mean, there's been worse rookies this year. And at most.

I will say this as well, that I really had a very strong feeling that the Texans were going to find a way to memory hole this season and not have any record of it in their media guide going forward. But Kaimi Fairbarn, Fairbairn? Can I get me fairbrian Set a franchise record With a 61-yard field goals Time expired in the first half So that has to go on the media

The first... We're back. The games were ugly this morning And at half time I remember You asked like is everyone's game terrible And I was like This is the best possible Seahawks Dixon's game

The first half of this game Had a ton of big time Exciting place And then it just turned into it As if all of America In unison Should watch this together Not on the condensed version

But the full version It was that exciting Natalorian Then it got a little less exciting. All right. There you go. That is the early and late games. Now, Sunday night football. Oh, Sunday night.

Rodgers comes back to the left. Wide open his shows. And he is into the end zone again. A back-to-back offensive plays, 23 yards this time. Aaron Rogers threw four touchdown passes. saying, hey, I'm in this MVP race too. I want to go back to back, baby. No interceptions.

Another brilliant performance from Rogers in a 45-30 win over the Chicago Bears, a game that featured 45 points combined from two teams in the second quarter alone. But once the second half rolled around, it was domination for Green Bay, which outscored the Bears 24-3 in the final two periods, coasting to the win. Mark Sessler, the Bears, fall to 4 and 9. They're out of the picture. They don't even get to be on the fringe.

If you can't even be in the fringes of a playoff race this year, you stink. You're 4.9. The Packers, on the other hand, move to 10 and 3 and put themselves in position to be very much alive in that race for the number one seed. What did you see for them today that you liked? Didn't like anything you got, buddy? I mean, we do not know the ceiling of the Green Bay Packers. And, you know, they consistently are either in your top spot in the power rankings or hovering very close as they should be.

I will say this, though. It's another example for me that we spent all last week. I mean, I personally did talking about this game. It will be not competitive. It shouldn't be on television. And, you know, for all the Matnagie talk, the Bears came to play. I mean, this was the highest scoring second quarter in the history of the Bears' Packers' rivalry. And I guys like Joachim Grant, I thought, like, were remarkable for the Bears in the first half.

But you cannot contain Green Bay's offense for the entire game and the Bears fizzled up towards the end. Yeah, it was 24 to 21 Bears in the second quarter. That's a game's worth. But it was a Packers' offense. You say that you can contain, and that makes sense. But you were able to contain them for about nine weeks this season. And now that Packers' offense, like I hope defense has had their fun against them

because that Packers' offense is gone. Even though Elton Jenkins isn't there now, and Bactiari's not back, they are fully loaded. And Rogers' three best games of the season are the last three now in a row. Though this is a game where if you watch the highlights, actually that will tell the story for you.

Because that throw to Adams to end the first half. To me, that was the biggest drive of the game. They were down 24-14, the Packers. They get the ball back with 133. after the Jakeem Grant punt return and they go right down the field. And that throw to Adams was outrageous. Then the touch throw, the lollipop to Aaron Jones

in the third quarter was outrageous. That throw was crazy. The Devante Adams route that he set up, Jalen Johnson in the fourth quarter, that's outrageous. I hope the highlights at least show the third and 18 to Lazard in the first quarter too because that was a crazier in Roger's throw. He is out of his mind right now.

Yeah, he is the last three games. from Rogers with a buy mixed in. The three games since we started hearing about this bad toe, which is he talks about the bad toe, but like Big Ben talks about his injuries. We hear about it constantly, but we don't see any actual ramifications on the field. You said, Mark, we don't know what the Packer ceiling is. I think it depends how you want to look at what the phrase means. To me, if you're a true top of the line Super Bowl contender, and I think there's three of them,

Green Bay, Arizona, Tampa Bay. That's what I see right now. There is no ceiling. They are a team that very has a very good chance of winning this whole thing. And I think they play so well on both sides of the ball. That's why they've been number one of the power ranks for me just because I think they're so balanced on both sides. So I also think the football gods have a sense of humor, I got to say, that we had a lot

of fun on this podcast late last week talking about how dare they keep the bears in Sunday night football. And this is where the sense of humor comes in. We're recording the podcast, the most of the podcast, it goes. into the Sunday night football game. Then we all sit down together in the second half and watch the rest of the game and then come back to the studio

and finish the pod and then Ricky gets it dressed up to send it live. We missed the fun part of the game. We got the bad part of the game, which was a nice little kiss off from the football gods. I actually respect it. Yeah, the gods annoyed at the three of us. Yeah.

They just stuck it to us. Yeah. We flew too close to the sun. And actually because there is so much, you know, we try to go back and watch what happened as we're like watching, you know, while it's half. time or while it's the second half.

So it gave us more work to go through. You know when you're watching at Gate Pass and at the bottom, they have the little football where there's a score? I mean, there was just, it was just like all empty. And then there was like 17 footballs within like an inch. I was like, what is happening in this game? I mean, Joachim Grant, I mean, Ryan Pace, you got to think about him for executive of the year for that Jaquine Grant from the Miami Dolphins trade.

What a, what a performance. I will say, by the way, I mean, the things that we missed, that 97-yard punt return was the longest in Bears' history, dating back to 1960. And the five touchdowns that we missed in that single quarter were the first time. That was the first time in NFL history that there were five touchdowns of 35 plus yards in the single quarter. One last quick point on this game. I thought it was really interesting that AJ Dylan had 15 carries. Aaron Jones, who looked good, only had five. and then Matt LaFleur should get credit, you know,

and they're starting to put up those stats and everything. He's great at getting Adams open. Like some of those play calls in the first half, that's like what his job is, even though everyone knows Adams is the only thing in terms of their receivers, they find ways to get him open. It's not all just Adams. They get him into great matchups and they do a great job with that.

He's having such an amazing career. And, you know, part of it is, timing and just kind of fortuity where you where do you end up with adams but i'm not taking anything away from he's also a tremendously talented receiver but when you put together a great offensive scheme legendary quarterback and a guy with elite skills you get the production you get from adams who is you know if he keeps his pace up he is an absolute hall of favor 11 straight sunday night football games with a touchdown but that is that is some that matters like he's a money he's a money player he's a guy you want on the field in big spots including the playoffs where the

Packers are heading. Now, Mark, before we say goodbye, right, not to like take a serious turn here, but you would mention the Joaquin Grant punt return and how it was historic for the bears. Factoids. We take that as gospel from you because we trust in you to give us the right information. But apparently there's something you wanted to share, maybe a misstep. So we'll just throw it to you and I'll leave it at that. Yes. You know, this came to my attention while we were watching the second half of that game. So it's a message to my colleagues, to my friends, my enemies, and to all listeners, wherever you might be.

Earlier in tonight's episode of the Around the NFL podcast, I committed a verbal misstep in the blinding fury of post-game information coming my way. I noted that the Raiders' 48 to 9 loss was the worst in the organization's storied history. As play-by-play dudes sometimes say, check that. In fact, it was the Raiders' worst loss in their 61-year rivalry with the Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, no. For this grave error, I will submit myself to human resources for dense questioning following tonight's broadcast. I say this humbly, Seacrest out.

Well, you're a big man, obviously, for coming clean there, but ultimately it becomes a Brian Williams situation where once... It's nothing short of that. Once we, you are flying on the helicopter in Iraq. It's your turn. You took enemy fire. We accepted its truth because you tell us it. Once the cat's out of the bag, as it were, once we find out something you told us wasn't true, how do you kind of go forward, Greg, and say, okay, what he's saying is not nonsense. It's actually factual.

I don't know what to think anymore. Right. There's kind of nothing you can say. Right. There's, you know, a bond that we have with Mark just as a journal or did have. Sure, it's in the past. And how do you replace that? Because now it's just words coming out of your mouth.

Can I offer this? You say you're going to humbly put yourself in front of HR at Sunday night at 848. I don't think they're here. I don't believe that. Yeah, I don't even think they're here. I think they're home. Well, I didn't say when, Greg. If you want to deal in facts, by the way, I did not say when that would happen.

I'm annoyed with Greg. I said I would submit myself to human resources for dense questioning following tonight's broadcast. Tomorrow would also be following tonight's broadcast. I think I'm going to, we've been on fire, by the way, locking up things. I'm going to lock up Mark killing Greg by the end of this season. I'm going to lock it up. If I'm still here. I mean, this was, I have to admit, I'm not trying to, you know, be brash here.

This was a hideous turning point for myself and for the show, and I apologize. Well, you're a class act. I'll leave it at that. That's up for debate. All right. Here we go. Week 14, a flagship in the books. coming up next for us, Tuesday.

Check us out. We'll recap the Monday night football game, and it's a gorgeous matchup. And there's a lot speaking of Mark. Nobody is more like into the lock game. Nobody needs it more than Mark. And he has his Cardinals locked up over the Rams. So we'll talk about that.

We don't need to watch the game. The fallout. Oh, the confidence is that high. It's for every. The confidence was pretty high about that factored about the Raiders, too. Just saying. Okay, noted. Watch it.

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