NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2021 Week 4 Recap - Brady Beats Belichick

Episode Date: October 4, 2021

A room filled with some heroes and some virtual ones sprinkled in as well! We recap every game from week 4 starting with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick facing off in Gillette Stadium. The Rams lost at home to the Cardinals and Nick Shook joins to talk about the Browns. Kevin Patra comes atcha for a second week in a row. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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There were some good moments, but what we really needed was a great Sunday night game and the drama of the Pats and Tom Brady and the reunion and it's that special, Greg, that we're actually going to start the show with a little Sunday night football today.

How about that? It is not every week, but it's not every week that the greatest quarterback of all time returns to his home. And yeah, you've got to give him the respect. And they showed up in a game in a week where I think there was like five, six, seven, like great looking matchups and hipster doofuses like me were kind of like, oh, Buck's Patriots.

It's not even like one of the better games of the week. Actually, it ended up being way better than all of those games. Right. You could, you could kind of get a board of the buildup to a game like this and the way NBC was putting all their professional might behind and promotional might behind making this thing as big as possible. It worked. and getting all these actors, I think, from New England, various people to be part of their campaign. But at the end of the day, the teams needed to play the game,

and the game was a good one. So before we get to all the Sunday week four action, let us start with the last game, and it went down in Gillette. On its way, it is off the goal post. No good. Off the goal post. No good.

Oh, my good. That is rough for you, Rick. So I can't tell you, Greg, how many times as a, I'm going to call myself a Tom Brady hater, but somebody who suffered at the hands of Brady for so many years, it would always get me mad that, yes, Tom Brady's great, and yes, the Patriots do it the right way, and they just know how to win. But it always felt like it's so many. instances, the team they were playing would make a decision late that would just drive you nuts like, oh, Brady is so charmed, you have such a charmed life. And isn't it ironic when he goes

back to Foxborough for the first time, Gregie, that that happens again. Tom Brady is on the right side of what felt to me a situation where the opposing team, when it mattered most, made a bad decision. In this case, to me, it was going for the field goal with Nick Folk, a 56-yarder in driving rain with a bad plant leg. And instead of going for it on fourth and three, it hits the upright. Final score, Bucks 19, Pat 17, icy quick handshake at the end of the game between Brady and Belichick. I'm kind of into it, Greg, but also it's Tom Brady, what a blessed life it's been. I mean, if you want to like drive down narrative street, let's do it.

Bill Belichick in the biggest moment of the biggest, you know, game of this season for them. And certainly his biggest moment as a coach, I think, in this season blinked. He kind of choked. He had a pretty obvious decision. We were sitting there in the film room. You know, I was next to you. We'll get to that. That was close enough.

And I didn't think it was even a decision. When it was third and three and they got about a minute plus left, I said, oh, suddenly it's like they've got to get three yards here or else it's one play and the game is over. They tip the pass at the line of scrimmage. It's fourth and three. And I say, okay, you need three yards to keep the game going. I didn't think it's a decision because anyone that's watched Nick Folk, who's hit 35 straight over the last year,

knows that the Patriots don't even line them up outside of 50 because that's just not the kind of kicker that he is anymore. And then anyone that's watched this game down the stretch thought, But the Bucks don't have any players in the secondary. They're missing literally their top four players in the secondary. They're missing their starters. Mack Jones is moving the ball pretty well. You get lucky with a couple calls on that final drive.

But ultimately, you have to have some confidence in a kid that just hit 19 straight throws. And more important than all of this, you would have left Tom Brady all the time in the world and two timeouts to go kick a game-winning field goal the other way. So I didn't even think it was a decision. I was stunned to see Nick Folk coming out there, and it continued a number of mental mistakes that this Patriots team has made throughout the course of this season, including the timeout that they took on the drive before

when they couldn't substitute right. That's happened two or three times. This Patriots team, as hard and as well they played at times tonight, has been very sloppy. They lose the turnover battle two to nothing, and it didn't feel like they deserved to win that. game you need a coach that could be cool under pressure and he wasn't in this spot so you're saying fire belchick that's see there's your narrative he's bad in that moment um the only perfect the only perfect thing

for the patriots was nbc's coverage of steve belichick sideline shots give me more of it i don't know what's going on with that guy but i love him um yeah i mean this the the shame of it is uh for belichick is you were if if nick folk who you know it should be state it's not like he was so out of his depth on that kick in terms of range that he was missed it by seven yards and it hit the end zone he hit the pipe he hit the pipe and it fell the wrong way but it still was a very difficult make in the brady would have gone brady would have gone back and won the game that's my problem with it well maybe he would have but yeah mac jones considering um what he had done in this game 31 of 40 275 two touchdowns one interst i really like Jack Jones. I like so much of what I've seen. I know he struggled last week a little bit, but I think he would have been a guy. I would have felt comfortable giving him the game in that spot at fourth and three. But Belchick's not there yet. And I'm sure if Tom Brady was his

quarterback in that spot, Tom's probably going for it there on fourth and three. It's not Nick Folk for 56. So they're in the process. Listen, it's a transition. You got to have a feel for the game that you're in. I know they're trying to play this specific style. But in that moment, it didn't feel like he had a feel for what were the game that he was in the frustration for belichick and and he never really reveals anything on the sideline but you saw his face with drop when they hit the the upright he had done such a great job overall tom brady the big story and everyone thought it was the prediction for everyone so i gregg locked up the bucks and congratulations buddy on your big he locked it up yikes but um tom brady everyone thought was going to go in there and shred the patriots and i know the weather played

to roll, I guess. But 22 of 43, 269, he does not throw a touchdown in his return to New England. He gets the all-time passing yardage record from Drew Breeze. But they did a great job keeping Brady off kilter and kept them from getting into a rhythm. And Mac Jones on the other side, if you would have told me Brady doesn't throw a touchdown, Mac Jones has 19 straight completions at one point. I'm telling you the Patriots win. So it's just. And they hold the bucks under 20. It's hold the bucks under 20 points. It's just a little of that. I know it's nonsense to all the diehard analytics people and everything.

There's a little bit of that Brady magic involved. And it's just to see it be done to New England in New England was interesting to me. I mean, it was fascinating. I mean, for this game to happen at all, I guess I wasn't looking forward to it. I'm glad it's over. But it also just reminded me of how like blessed and ridiculous the last two decades have been as a Patriots fan. and to just, like, be grateful. You don't know how long this life is going to be.

Just be grateful that you got that as a sports fan and even got a night like this because right now the Patriots might not be involved in many big Sunday night. The entire NFL is watching. And you're surprising. I'm just saying right now, this team. And they were surprising.

This was the ultimate. I said they've been trying to turn it back to 2001, and this was a 2001 type of game. They had some conviction. They didn't, you know, run the ball basically the whole night. They ended up with negative running yardage because they had a game plan that made some sense. They started out with Mack Jones playing hurry up and spread in the very first drive. It was a statement of intent.

We're not going to run the ball against Vita Vaya and Sue. This is the way we think we're going to win. It gives us the best chance. And you know what it worked. And they mixed up all those coverages. Everything was playing pretty well. Did it work? I mean, defensively, I think it works for the most part.

Offensively. I mean, eight carries for negative one yards. You're punting on that side of the ball. entirely without even it seems like not even testing the running game and then poor JJ Taylor becomes the latest Patriot running back to lose a fumble I mean it should be said

on the four on the seven attempts to run they did have they gained four yards and that that was actually no they gained negative one yards and that was Algar so I mean their running backs literally had negative yardage for the game what I mean is like all the coverage changing and everything

that they did try to slow down Brady like in theory it worked and And it did work for the most part. But Brady missed a ton of throws in the first half that were there. He also hit some gems, but he seemed a little hyped up for the game. They had him scrambled. And the reality is, even though it came down to that kick, like Tom Brady threw the game-winning pass. He made the play to win the game that everyone will remember from this game.

Antonio Brown just dropped it. The first time he couldn't see it. And the second time, he dropped. It stopped it. Tom Brady threw one of the best passes he could possibly throw. That should have been the last throw he ever made at Foxborough. And it goes right off of Antonio Brown's hands. The Patriots to me were very fortunate to have that opportunity. They got a couple lucky calls in that final drive. They got a couple lucky breaks. I thought throughout the game where they got penalties or that the bucks missed out on some open players or some opportunities. So to me, like things were going right for them until the very end when they went wrong. as far as Tampa Bay goes. So they move to three and one. They bounce back after the loss of the Rams last week. They do have a lot of

problems though and it's just something to keep an eye on especially on defense. Carlton Davis he got carded with a, I don't know if he got carded actually, but he left with a quad injury and was immediately ruled out and that does not look good. Antoine Winfield Jr. He leaves in the second half with an injury.

They were already down enough cornerbacks that Richard Sherman is playing snaps for this team, someone who been out of football for months and months. So they have a lot of issues in their back end, and that is going to continue to be a challenge for them. But this is just one of those games where, hey, you're not going to get a lot of style points, but you got the W and you get the hell out of there and try to regroup.

But, you know, my last thought is, I mean, come on, Bill. Listen, I'm a competitor, too. I don't care if it's wiffleball or if it's an intramural basketball or stuff. co-ed softball like i'm a competitor and like after a game i'm not going to be chummy with everyone but it's all connected like he can't can't meet tom at midfield and like share a moment with him he can't do it it has to be a good job tom and then run the other way ricky where did where were you're taking to get to him he ran from he gave him a hug it's cold and rainy and wet and he gave him a hug and what do you what do you want him to do you how about have a little conversation

and understand the magnitude of your bond and what you did together. Why does ever, maybe there's something after. It's bigger than that though. Like you think anything to do with their bond is going to be a factor in like what the outside world thinks in that moment if they have it. And I believe that they do like it doesn't mean anything.

That's the show the Josh McDaniels embrace was beautiful. Well, that was there was actually some feeling there. Yeah. Well, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. And you could poo poo it and say it doesn't matter with the public sees. It's what's happening. Like as if they're in a deep and loving, I know, like they're in like a deep and loving embrace in the tunnel right now.

No, man. My point is whatever connection that they have with each other, they know. It's like they have an understanding. Tom Brady knows who Bill Belichick is after the game. You think Tom Brady's going over if they lose that game and making like a heartfelt hug to Bill Belichick? No, he's the same bad loser as Bill Belichick. Like they know it and it's not something that they're going to take personally. Maybe it's the deep sadness that they both know they should still be together.

I don't know. I thought this game was going to be a bloodbath. So just the fact that it came down to a final kick, like this was more than I could have expected, and I had a wonderful Sunday night watching. All right. I'm glad you're taking that. Yeah, I was excited.

A lot to see, a lot to like from Mack Jones. And the defense, like, really did scramble Brady. So that was, you know, all you can ask for. For all the credit that Mack Jones got from Chris Collinsworth, and he does seem ahead of the game in certain ways, it's like they were missing their top four players in the secondary. and you had a chance to go win the game. Right, but let him go win it.

Let them go win it. New England Patriots. Like, what, it doesn't matter. And people should know, by the way, that. Trash. Trash, bro. I did save a spot for Greg to sit next to me in the NFL network theater to watch the second half of this game.

I even got him a water actually this time. And I kind of cleared the, I even dusted it off a little bit at the table. You're drinking it right now. Well, because it didn't go to any use. I'll tell you. Talk about performing for the public. Greg rolls in, and I'm seated at, you know, chair five, and I have chair six, chair seven, chair eight.

Greg's at chair nine. There were ten people in there. Everyone is sitting five feet apart because we're in the middle of a pandemic. And also, when you're in a nice big place, you all sit a little bit apart. We were all talking and joking the whole time. Talk about doing it for show. You didn't tell me that was my water. I could have used the water.

But you sent it out on Twitter. I didn't even know until after the game because I wasn't checking it. I think it goes without, especially after last week's, you know, really disappointing situation. Chair seven was your spot. But for you to go chair nine, chair 11. We're in the same row. We're talking.

You're as icy as Belichick after a salty defeat. There's 15 people talking. We're honking the whole time. We're giving analysis. We're cracking jucks. MJD's there. And Dan's sending these little tweets out and not even telling me because I'm, I'm not paying attention to social media during the game.

I'm all ball. I know you're all ball, but how about some traditional male bonding? We did it. We were cracking jokes until you're, until you just want to do a bit at the end of the game. Like, pretend it's not a bit. It's not a bit. It wasn't. Chair seven was yours, but she chose not to take it.

All right. We're on the flight to London on Tuesday. If everything is wide open on that plane, we could each have our own road. No, I'm going to sit right next to you because that's what you do when there's wide open seats everywhere. You just sit right next to him and say, hey, is that my water? I mean, I assume that's your water. Now you're just, you know, piling on.

You've hurt me, and now you're trying to humiliate me. Just say sorry. For this, I won't. I apologize for locking up the bucks. That I do apologize. What a mistake. I will not do such a thing again. All right.

Let's move on. Let's check in now with the rest of the Sunday action played under the sunlight. what starting with a game played no one has ever people say under the moonlight no one's ever actually said under the sunlight until this moment very proud moment for my uh in my broadcasting career i have to say greg what game was under the sunlight i'm on the edge of my seat let's start across the sidewalk at so fyes stadium whose house is this kailer's house oh wow that wasn't even playing shotgun snap to kiler short set moving to his right a little bit now throw Going deep, far side, and it's pulled in at the five-yard line by A.J. Green,

and he ends up for the touchdown. A.J. Green, just too strong, too big, too athletic. Oh, my goodness. AJ Green making plays, you know, you're in trouble. Rams Nation. Day passed with the call Cardinals Radio Network. Kyler Murray passed for 268 yards and two touchdowns, including that pass to A.J. Green. And, by the way, I back off, Greg.

AJ's been, he's been a net gain so far for that offense. Anyway, another MVP level performance from Kyler, but this whole team steps up. The Cardinals remain unbeaten with a 3720 trouncing of the Rams in Los Angeles. And Greg, this is a game, you know, again, not to keep mentioning this, but it does for what we do for a living. It just jumps out at you when we talk about all these things that we're worried about entering the season.

He thinks, ooh, this guy better get his act together because he's not so good. Well, Cliff Kingsbury is a guy that got plenty of criticism and doubts heading into the season. And he just went into L.A. against a very good Rams defense. And he saw his guys put up 465 and just take it to the Rams. How about that? They could have put a 40 burger on them. They had a chance, like early in the fourth quarter to do so.

And you're right. before the season, it wasn't just us, like, kind of wondering about Kingsbury. It was everyone putting them last place in the division. And here they are 4-0, you could argue, have the best resume of any team in the league. And I think with Vance Joseph in this defense, it reminds me a little bit of the old Saints Greg Williams' defenses or Greg Williams in general, where it's like they're pretty boomer bust, but they make big plays. And in the first half of this game, when, you know, they intercept Matthew Stafford, they force

the fumble and they get a lead like they aren't looking back touchdown touchdown touchdown and then in the second half they go on these long drives against a rams offense which is almost begging them to run and this time they were able to do it like james connor didn't have a great game but chase edmunds 120 yards on the ground and like they have these long drives and the rams couldn't get the ball back it it was one-sided shocker they did whatever they wanted through the air on the ground and then on the other side of the ball okay so you say all right so the rams are to stop a high-powered offense. That happens all the time in our league now.

Then you're thinking, oh, it's going to be a shootout, but no. Because Matthew Stafford, I would say this was his first game, and there was a little lipstick on the pig late. This is the first game where I would say he was ineffective. And, you know, I think a big game-changing play, Greg, we talked about it in the third quarter. They get stopped at the goal line. It looks like Stafford got in.

They decided not to challenge it, and you could understand why in McVeigh's mind, Sean McVeigh's mind, why he did that. He's thinking, I can't risk losing the timeout here. I'm going to keep it in my back pocket because I need to make a comeback here. We're going to score. We have two chances to get in from the one, but they don't. And that to me was kind of the turning point of this.

Yeah, I mean, they would have had to make a great comeback, and I don't know if their defense could have helped. Higbee doesn't catch the pass there, but it did kind of just get me thinking about how they just haven't been great in terms of handing the ball off. And maybe they won't need to. But I just thought coming into this game, the Cardinals

Rush defense was vulnerable. They got steamrolled by Minnesota. I think Jacksonville pushed them around up front, actually, in the running game. And normally, with Jared Goff, the Cardinal Killer, that's what you would have seen. I mean, we spent this whole year talking about what Jared Goff can't do. What he can do is beat the Cardinals, seven out of eight times. And so this win has to feel really sweet for Cliff Kingsbury, because it's an offensive league, and this is an offensive team.

It just feels like they've now got enough pieces where his, offense makes sense because I've seen some people be like, you know, Cliff is, they're running the exact same place. They are the same Cardinals offense and now they have the talent to make it work and they have, you know, arguably the best quarterback in the league right now, one of the top couple. I mean, as long as they can keep him healthy, they couldn't last year and he's not the biggest guy. So you worry about how this works over 17 games. But if they can, they're going to continue to put up points in the defense of the place at this level. They are going to win a lot of games. And they are 4-0 now, and they have a chance to really, despite everyone else going the other way preseason, including us, including everybody, they can win this division.

They have that type of ceiling. And Sean McVeigh as coached against the Cardinals nine times, Greg. This is the first time he went down. Wow. First time. So big, big performance, Jason Zumwald dancing in the streets. Is this a statement game? This is like maybe the statement game of the young season.

I mean, you know, Greg. I said it to you in the new newsroom. It's actually N-U-U-U-U-Lat's room. I said it. That's a statement game. You don't believe in statement games. You're on Claibon Corner with that. Like those things don't matter.

Momentum doesn't matter. There's no such thing as statements. That's a statement because the Rams. I don't know if I had an official position, but yeah, this gets my notice. The Rams are in the locker room, licking their wounds and thinking to themselves, oh, now we got to go to the desert to play them. These guys are for real. They also know they got to have a quick turnaround play on Thursday night. another big division game, and suddenly the Cardinals are at the top of the division.

Call it the curse of the power rankings. The Rams, I hope you enjoyed your six-day stay. It's over at number one. Speaking of Ova, the undefeated season of the Denver Broncos, head to mile high. Broncos rush four, Jackson with time, going deep. He's looking at Hollywood Brown at the five. He reaches up, and he makes a diving catch. Hollywood Brown.

Welcome back to the end zone for a third. Touchdown! Jerry Sundusky, W-B-A-L. See, my voice is back, Greg. It's not Money Smith, but when it's humming, it's fine. It's a good little weapon. Totally, totally took a shot last week. Jim Carlin-Stanton buried me.

It's all the way back. I mean, if yours is a weapon, what's mine? You know, I don't know. You answer that question. I'm not going to say. Lamar Jackson threw for 316 yards, including that 49-yard touchdown pass to a diving Hollywood brand. And thank God, Hollywood, you needed to catch that ball and it was a nice catch.

And the Ravens combined offensive prowess with another great defensive performance, or a great defensive performance, beating the Broncos 23-7. As I said, the Broncos were undefeated no longer. Greg, Denver lost Teddy Bridgewater to a concussion in this game. But it sounds like this loss was about more than just that. Yeah, Teddy gone at halftime, score was 17 to 7 at that point. I keep this notebook that, you know, year after a year. iconic.

Keep the notebook. And I, you know, I never write the winner, you know, until the very end of the game, unless I'm feeling like ultra-confident. When Locke came in, I wrote in Ravens, left the score empty, wrote Ravens. I knew it was over, and I don't think it would have mattered if Teddy was out there. When Bridgewater was there, he threw the ball 16 times, got 65 yards. The Ravens dominated this game up front, and they're winning offensively in surprising ways to me. You would think a game where they're ahead the whole time.

oh, they're going to rush it 45 times. They're going to rack up these rushing yards. Rushing net today, 102 yards for the Ravens. They actually were pass-heavy. Like, they still threw the ball 37 times and only ran it, I think, 30. They're going deep. It's not going to create a lot of consistency on offense, but Lamar hit a couple of the deep throws today.

He had that one to Hollywood Brown, a couple nice throws to Mark Andrews. And it was like enough. They protected him. and the defense got after it. It just gets me thinking, like, whenever I doubt this Ravens defense over the last five or six years, it's just like they just find guys.

They find a way. And Odafei O'A, their number one pick, to me, would be the defensive rookie of the year or the month other than Michael Parsons. Like, Michael Parsons, has just been crazy, but this guy, Oway, just has crazy athleticism where if you're into watching pass rushers, he's a good guy to just watch snap after snap because his athleticism is just outrageous.

So both teams punted on their first three possessions before finding the end zone there was only six points to Justin Tucker field goals in the second half so a lot of this damage was done in the middle portion of the game and Tucker by the way I heard because we're all now well never

everyone's caught up to the beauty of Justin Tucker now he gets the pregame reports that he was banging 70 yarders before this game in the the light air of Colorado and I'm too bad he didn't get a chance to do that But yeah, I mean, I guess this is with the Broncos, it's a wait and see situation now with Teddy.

It's a concussion. You never know which way that's going to go. But Drew Locke, I think you told me downstairs, the restless crowd in Denver does not want to see Drew Locke on the field. There was some boo-birds out. It was like mixed booze when he came out for the game. Now, maybe they didn't know Bridgewater was hurt at the time and they thought they were just benching him and they were like booing that decision partly. But Locke struggled. He didn't know what he was seeing.

This happens. But his first 15 dropbacks, I think he had 56 yards passing, but had taken three or four sacks in that. So, like, net yards, they had almost nothing. They've just lost too many players. Bridgewater is their eighth starter who's now out. That's a lot. Like, eight's a big number.

That's a lot of attrition. Yeah, for a team that, you know, I liked, but it was talented, that's just a lot going on there. And they lost Patrick Sertan very late in this game to a chest injury. So that would make nine. They need to get healthy. and I just give the Ravens a ton of credit for getting through this first month of the season 3 and 1.

I know they got a little bit of a break there in Detroit, but ultimately, like, it was a tough first month schedule. They're going to get healthier and they're up, you know, they're 3 and 1. And I don't like to do too much to look ahead on the Sunday night show because that's what we have later in the week. And by the way, later in the week, we will be in London. Hello? Let's get that out there.

Remind the people that we will be on a plane and traveling to England for the Jets Falcons. game at the Big Tot looking forward to that but you look at Denver 3 and 1 at Pittsburgh now that used to be a really tough game I don't know what to make sense of the Steelers anymore but after at Pittsburgh

Home Raiders at Browns Home Washington at Cowboys so if the Broncos are good Greg and if they can get some guys back of course but attrition's part of the game Greg so you can't don't bail now I'm not bailing yeah but it's also an important part of the game

It's, you know, Kendall Hinton, our old buddy who took quarterback snaps for them last year. Now is like their third receiver. That was one of their top positions and they did not get much of a pass rush. I'm fascinated just this Broncos, this Ravens team is just kind of, I think, confident that the Broncos wouldn't get much of a pass rush. And they're just, you know, dialing up plays a little differently this year and they're winning game, this game pretty easily. All right.

Let's move on. In fact, let's welcome in one of our favorite people. What's up, baby? What's up, guys? How are you? How are you feeling, buddy? We're in the NFL podcast merch. Yeah.

Look at all this stuff you stole before you went to Cleveland. Hey, I got this recently, all right? For participation on this show. That's true. You are a big member of the NFL podcast. All right. So the pipe is here. He is Western Ohio, born and bred.

And he now gets to talk a little Cleveland football like it used to be played. Let's head to Minneapolis. Takes the snap, and he's got it, and he's back, and he rolls to the left. He's throwing towards the end zone, and it is incomplete in the end zone. Incomplete in the end zone, broken up by John Johnson III. That's the end of the game. And the Browns win it on the road here in Minneapolis. They have won three in a row.

Jim Donovan with a good call, WKRK, the Brown's allowed a touchdown drive, on the Vikings' first possession. But then the stout Cleveland D said, that's enough, shutting out Minnesota, and it's ensuing 11 possessions in a 14-7 win at U.S. Bank Stadium. That's a big road win. Shuki, Miles Garrett and the Browns Front 7,

harassed Kirk Cousins, made them earn every single yard, and, you know, Kevin's the fancy, he's got to be pinching himself and his return to Minnesota. Yeah, he does. You know, the, I don't know if I would say he's the prodigal son, but somewhere along those lines,

returns, gets a hard-fought win, really kind of an ugly game. If you're a fan of defense, you loved it. But offensively, there was a lot to be desired from both sides. Kirk Cousins marches them right down the field to begin with. They look like they're, they've game planned well. They know exactly how to attack this Brown's defense. They even convert a fourth and one. And that was it. Five three and outs from there. Kirk Cousins with an interception. They actually probably got one more chance than they deserved at the end and still couldn't convert. A concerning day for Vikings fans,

if you're thinking about your offense after you come off, you know, scoring 30 plus points last week, you can't put more than seven on the board. But if you're a Browns fan, two straight weeks where that defense is absolutely dominated, and it certainly won you this game today. It's the most surprising thing to me that I saw today was that in the second half of this game, there were 14 possessions, and they were three points. And these were two of the best offenses in the NFL coming into this game. So explain that for me, Shuky.

Well, I could help you out with that as well, Greg, because Baker Mayfield, played poorly in this game, including a kind of end the game touchdown, should have been walking for O'Dell, a misfire. His accuracy was out the door, and it's been that way for two weeks, Shook. What's going on with Baker? Yeah, we talked about this last week, Greg. I think you said if a box score can tell a story, you know, this might be the game that tells the story.

Well, Baker Mayfield's box score can completely tell his story. He was poorly is putting it nice, Dan. And I don't mean to pile on a guy who had a bad day. Baker was horrible today. The only thing he didn't do wrong was turn the ball over. This was probably his worst game as a pro in which he did not turn the ball over. 15 to 33 overall.

Missing guys at every depth of target on the entire field. Odell Beckham Jr. could have backpedaled into the end zone for a game stealing touchdown if he puts it on him in the right spot. He was so errant that it made you wonder if maybe the shoulder injury that he had had on his non-throwing shoulder was affecting him

because it was just that bad. It was inexplicable. But they were still good offensive. on the ground. Nick Chubb, 21 carries 100 yards, and Kareem Hunt really defined that offense in the first half, both in the running game and the passing game. He had a long pickup on a draw that ended up coming down to, or it kind of advanced the chains and put them in position to kick a field goal before half, which ended up being big. The Browns have been, you know, you said that they're one of the better offenses in the NFL. Statistically,

that might be true. But for the last three weeks, the Browns have really been kind of stuck in the mud offensively. The only difference in the last two games has been that their defense has really picked them up extremely in this game. So they still have a lot of things to figure out. And I think the biggest common underlying theme here is they don't have Jarvis Landry and it's really hurting Baker Mayfield and his ability to move the ball through the air. They ran for 184. I guess why I would put them there is they've been efficient passing the ball.

And the running game is the best week after week overall. And they were able to in a game where both of these teams really want to run. Only one was able to. And that was the winning team. And it might be annoying to Nick Chubb. fantasy owners but it's just it just hums that offense when they they have kareem hunt actively involved and they're doing it as a two-headed monster and it does it kind of it's good for cleveland because it does bail you out when baker has these games and unfortunately

with baker he has these stretches it seems because his inaccuracy this week especially what really i struggle to wrap my head around baker with this nick because when he is on he doesn't miss at all Like he'll have those 19 of 21 type games where he has Steve Young like accuracy and then this will have, but is it a mechanical issue? Like where does this come from where Baker is all over the map in terms of his accuracy? Sometimes it comes within rhythm

where he's just kind of out of rhythm where he's double clutching that type of thing, forcing balls. That wasn't really the case today. The case was just he simply wasn't hitting open guys. I mean, it was truly was difficult to explain watching on TV figuring out how you're missing a dump off to Kareem Hunt on third down. You're missing Odell

down the field when he's open. You're missing guys at every depth, just throwing high passes through the hands of receivers. Somebody tweeted me early in the game and said, why aren't they catching Baker's passes? Because he threw a couple high ones that kind of went through their hands, but they were a little out of reach. By the fourth quarter, it was clear why they weren't catching him because he couldn't put it in their catch radius. So he needs to figure that out. And he admitted after the game that he played very poorly.

So if you're a Browns fan, you hope that he bounces back. But it's also really been a test, I think, of Kevin Stefanski and his ability to get into a rhythm as a play caller because I think he's gotten a little too cute offensively. They definitely did two weeks ago against Houston. They did a little bit against Chicago. And then they did late in this game where this is a team, as we all know, they're built to finish games by pounding it on the ground with Chubb and Hunt. And they had a possession late in the game where all they had to do was just get a couple first downs,

chew the clock and kind of salt away the victory. And they decided to throw it with a quarterback who wasn't accurate for most of the day. And that's what resulted in that Beckham incompletion on third down. And it was just like, that's not how you close out a game. That's not who you are. You need to go back to who you are and understand your identity. But they're three and one. They're winning close games.

They're avoiding losing games that they very much would have lost the past. I do wonder if, like, his progress, you know, his latest ad, you know, I feel there's a little bit of step down. Oh, no. And I just wonder if that's, like, getting in his head, like, because, you know, he's not getting as much. You know, Mark might be listening. No, but he's been great in the past, but this, the latest one. Oh, you think it's like to cut that meat? It's like you jump the shark in a way.

He needs to bounce back from the latest. Well, perhaps. And on the Viking side, before we move on, I'll just mention this. As great as they looked last week, I didn't think they necessarily looked even terrible. I'm just terrible in this game on offense. I think it was just a really good Cleveland defense that was locked in. But Dalvin Cook aggravated that ankle issue, and he was able to come back in the game when they were trying to get that late score.

But it's just something to track because Cook, we know, has his injury issues, staying healthy. And if it's something that he, you know, he was forced to sit out. multiple series, it's something that he might have to deal with for a long time this season, if not for the balance of the season. So keep an eye on that for Minnesota. All right, we're going to move on to Big D, the Cowboys Rising,

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O'ee-wee. Zeke Elliott went 20 for 143, and Dak Prescott through four touchdown passes, including that game icer to Cedric Wilson. The Cowboys romp. I forgot about the final score. 3628 it was over the Panthers, also knocked from the ranks of the unbeaten. But this turned into a blowout shook. The Cowboys looked like an offensive force. while the Panthers learn this football thing is hard against the good teams.

Yeah, an offensive force that's missed his rushing attack in number 21 for a little over a year, who definitely went back to his premier form this week. Zeke was fast. He hit the holes hard, and he ripped off multiple long runs that really got their offense going. And you have to give credit as well to Tony Pollard, who was like the perfect complimentary back to Zeke.

And they both were gashing Carolina's defense in the first half and the second half. Zeke ripped off a 47-yard run in the second half that kind of propelled them toward another scoring possession and kind of basically was like almost the dagger in that game as part of that run in the second half where they overcame a deficit. But it was a complete effort from them offensively. Dak didn't even have to do that much. You know, it only threw 22 passes because Zeke was doing so well on the ground and Tony Pollard. Dak ran a little bit as well.

And the defense, you know, this is something that we gave the Cowboys so much grief for last year. was their sieve of a defense and instead this year Dan Quinn's work is starting to show namely in the way that Trevon Diggs has played he had two interceptions again today they both led to points 10 total points overall one touchdown on a field goal and other guys like Michael Parsons are playing really well as you know as a group they're playing total team defense it's all coming together and we're starting to see a Cowboys team don't don't you know I'm not this is not hyperbole here but we are starting to see a Cowboys team that is potentially fulfilling what we thought we'd see from them last year or the year before on paper.

They're starting to really bring that to life on the field so far. And this is probably, I know they had a big win on Sunday night last week, but this is probably their most impressive win to date. I mean, it's not like you need to wait to hype up the Cowboys. If they're not the best, the offense in the league, you know, their second or third, at worst. I mean, they're unstoppable. It's not like you need to see much more than that. The defense doesn't even need to be good for them to be Super Bowl contenders.

They threw the ball 26 times last week, scored 41 points. They threw it 22 times this week, scored 36 points. The Panthers supposedly, statistically, had the best rush defense in the league coming into this game. The Cowboys set a record where it was 5.5 yards before contact on average running the ball in this game. So that is just an offensive line that is steamrolling opponents. and now we know they can steamroll good opponents. And if the running game is that good,

Dak, you know, making the decisions and being able to be so accurate, I don't know, man. I would take them over any offense in the league right now. I think the stat that kind of proved, because this is a litmus test for them, right? At least a little bit against a defense that was playing with its hair on fire

through the first three weeks in Carolina. And we were like, well, we'll see how the Cowboys do against this defense. Maybe they are for real, maybe they're not. The Cowboys scored 36 points and had 245 rushing yards Sunday, right? Before that, the Panthers had only allowed 30 total points and 135 rushing yards in their first three games. So you want to talk about dominance in a statement game. It was definitely that for Calvian.

It's a great reminder of defensive rankings is almost entirely predictive on the teams you've played. If you just like do the math to it. Because in this game, I think they almost had a Goldston, which is our word for no quarterback hits, no sacks. I believe they touched DAC one time. And we could be better, by the way, as a football industry, when you go throwing around things like, wow, it's going to be some showdown between the high flying Cowboys and football's number one defense, the Panthers, it's like, whoa, you have to earn being, I don't care about the statistical side of things. You have to earn that type of title.

They didn't put up any resistance, Carolina, but what about on the offensive side of the ball? First game, full game without Christian McCaffrey. Did you see anything in the running game while McCaffrey's out to build on? And what about Sam Darnold? Well, the headline in the running game is Sam Donald's two rushing touchdowns, but I'll get to that in a second because Chuba Hubbard does deserve a little bit of credit. He has been a pretty hard runner for them and a decent replacement for McCaffrey, but he's obviously not Christian McCaffrey. And they do need more on the ground overall. Having said that, Sam Donald's two rushing touchdowns today, five rushing touchdowns in the year, you know, he's putting up outrageous rushing numbers when it comes to touchdowns for quarterbacks, especially from a guy like him.

He scrambled on multiple attempts to pick up first down. Not fast, but he can move. Yes, but the thing is, is I still need to see a little bit more from him in terms of consistency through the air. He threw two interceptions today that immediately led to points for the Cowboys and totally swung the game in favor of Dallas. I mean, Carolina was punch for punch with them through the first half and into the third quarter. Sam's mistakes put them in a position where they had to fight, you know, an uphill battle, and they basically ran out of time. I do give them credit, though. You know, it's a young team, and they fought to the end, they just kind of ran out of time.

but if they didn't dig themselves that hole, which Sam basically dug for them, then we might be talking about a different outcome and potentially a statement win for the Panthers. So right now, you know, we've all talked about how Sam has improved in so many different areas, but a couple of the areas that we know

that he still hasn't gotten better at, ball security when getting sacked. You didn't really fumble the ball away today even though he got sacked five times, but those two interceptions proved to be the difference. And that just like on the defensive side of the ball, and that's not to totally denigrate what they did in the first three weeks because they did win three games.

but the true test with Donald has yet to come and maybe this sounds like it was a little up and down obviously all right one more game with Shucky let's head to Lambeau Field and the snap rush on Rogers with time initially waits throws left side he's got Randall

barreling to the end of touchdown Green Bay that's why Aaron wanted his boy Randall back Wayne Larravee with the call W-TMJ, I guess, whatever. Rogers connected with Randall Cobb for two touchdowns, and he ran for another score.

Rogers did as the Packers beat the Steelers, 27-17, their third straight win. Rogers was steady here, Shooky, but Pittsburgh now has lost three straight after that week one win in Buffalo, and they haven't scored more than 17 points. So are we in any of those games? Are we at a place now in Steelers football?

where anything involving a shootout, they're just not going to be competitive. Yes, although I don't know if necessarily they'll be in a ton of shootouts if their defense is healthy. Their defense is what kept them in this game today. But when it comes to them possessing the ball, it is a struggle.

I remember a couple weeks ago or so, Greg had said about Carson Wentz, why does everything have to be so hard? That is the Steelers. Why does everything have to be so hard for them with the football in their hands on fourth and less than five or less than seven? It is a disaster.

It's comical. Like, it's to the point where I hope they get the ball of fourth and seven or less because I want to see how they're going to mess it up. You know, again, fourth and one today, they come out. Trips bunch tight to the left, Nashi Harris, and they go to the right. And I sit there and look at the screen, I go, this is a dump off to Harris. And guess what? Everybody in Lambo Stadium, including the Packers' entire defense, namely Jair Alexander.

They also knew that was coming. Dump off to Harris, loss of yards, turnover on downs. Fourth and five later. What do we do? A one-yard dragged to Juju Smith-Schuster, who gets. It's wrapped up and reaches out in vain a full six feet short of the first down line to gain on fourth and five, another turnover on downs. That right there captures what the Steelers are offensively. They cannot move the ball quickly.

They do move the ball sometimes, but they can't convert the downs that they need to. It all starts with Ben Rothesberger, also that offensive line that's still young, cannot create a lot of room for Najee Harris to work. Doesn't give Ben Rothesberger a lot of time to throw, but his lack of mobility. his age is very much showing 26 to 40 today 78.3 pass rating after a one-to-one touchdown interception it just I think he's in the gabber zone here again very much it's ugly we are we are getting to the point where I tweeted today it's mind-numbing watching them try to move the football the end it is absolutely perplexing the end is it's it rarely ends well for these guys and it's happening like we saw with Eli Manning and the Giants who's in the same draft class

that's happening now for Big Ben and I just wonder, Shook, and by the way, do you think Juju Smith-Schuster is reconsidering that decision to stay in Hitchie? That's what I was, eight targets today for 11 yards. The only decision worse than bringing back Ben was Juju picking the Steelers. I think he took less money, too. Over the chiefs. I don't buy that. I think that was a little PR, but either way, like, yeah, he could be catching passes for Patrick. I mean, it feels like, Shook, that if it was another situation, and it's, it's what got Ben McAdoo fired in New York by the the way when you're like, let me move away from the veteran who's won me Super Bowls.

But they don't really have anybody back there that unless you're a Dwayne Haskins fan or a Mason Rudolph guy, I guess they're going to ride it out or do you think there's any chance we might start hearing some rumbles about job security here? Well, that's the thing is, you know, a good friend of mine, I do a podcast with the name Sean, a small plug there. Get the plug. He's a Steelers fan. What's the podcast?

It's the Sean and Shook podcast. All right. Now, Greg wants to know when you tape it because then he's going to criticize your rollout. He tried to promote his own podcast. He didn't say the name. No, I know. Not the marketing genius right here. He's a Steeler fan.

And we've talked about this at length. It's just, he's like, do we see a change? And I'm like, you know as well as I know that that's not going to happen because of who Ben Rothesberger is. What I fear for Steeler fans, I know it's early, but what I fear for them is that this turns into a Derek Jeter retirement tour. And as the Steelers try to work out the kinks and point to their youth at so many other positions, they just ride it out until the end of the season and then take the next step.

The thing is, as you mentioned, Mason Rudolph, he's not even under team control. So, like, you know, beyond this year. So it might not be him. I end up being Duane Haskins. There's no clear plan, like you said, which I think also points to the fact that I don't think they move on from Ben because they have nowhere else to go. I just think they kind of take their lumps and try to figure it out as they go. My real question is Randy Finger took all the heat last year for their offense's,

you know, just breakdown down the stretch last year. Uh-oh, blame Canada time. Yeah, does he get held to the same standard? Because I'm not seeing anything better except for some pre-snap motion. That's it. No, I think you can blame the players. I think it's fine to. It's fine to blame the offensive line.

Unless Jason Garrett's the O.C. And then Greg would blame him. No, I'm saying in this case, like, what's the commonality? What's the commonality? No, it's all there. It's all laid bare for the Steelers. And this was always within the range of outcomes. We're not writing them off.

It's October 3rd or whatever. But this was always within the range of outcomes. when we were talking about this team leading into 2021, it could go bad. So far, it's been bad. There are two games behind three different teams in their division. We should give some credit, though, to the Packers. When I watch them, especially like today, like they, to me, seem like the purest Shanahan offense there is right now.

Like, they got the outside zone running against the Steelers, which to me is impressive. Dylan, Aaron Jones didn't pop off in terms of his numbers, but he had a couple of big plays. Like, the week one seems so far away for both of these teams. It's just a long way away for both of these teams. Yeah, you have to be excited if you're a Packers fan just from the consistency you're seeing from this offense. Yeah, they didn't put up a ton of points, but they moved the football effectively. And the Steelers got away with what I think was a tripping call that ended up being a sack credited to T.J. Watt that kind of stall the drive that was probably going to end up in a touchdown for them as well. So maybe four more points in the board for them there.

They are consistent. They're effective. It seems like they've worked through their growing pains that they had in week one. And, you know, when you get a guy like Randall Cobb, two touchdown passes, you're like, hey, we don't have to just go to Devante Adams. We can go to a number of different guys and still score points. So, you know, I have nothing bad to say about them. Jaya Alexander was carded off after this game.

So hopefully, or during this game after he made that tackle on Najee Harris. So hopefully that they avoid something serious there with that. But overall, you have to feel confident about them. All right, Chucky. Thank you, buddy. We're going to be, obviously, in London taping our show next Sunday. I don't know what that means time zone-wise, whether you're going to be involved with our show. But if it all sinks up, we'd love to see you.

over the ocean next week, buddy. Thank you. Yeah, we can do that virtually, you know? Just we have to agree now. No usage of across the pond. No across the pond. All right. No across the pond.

There goes, Shooki. Let's head to the link where the Chiefs try to get back on track. Third and six for the Chiefs. Last play, we've pulled a two-minute warning. Chiefs are going to throw it here. And Mahomes is throwing it up. He's got Tyree Kiel open and holds it in. Touchdown.

Kansas! City. Mahomes saw what he wanted. Single coverage and a whole half of the field to let the Cheetah run as far and as long as he could. Mitch Holtus, W.D.A.F. You know, Matt Money Smith, the voice of God in this podcast, having like a tantrum on the power rankings this week. Wait, you guys do a show together? He too. Every Tuesday. NFL Network 3 p.m. Eastern, noon Pacific. About the Chiefs being in trouble and their offense being in trouble. Oh, please. you got Patrick Mahomes. That's the answer.

Then he threw five touchdown passes in many ways. He threw like a ski ball shot for a touchdown. He did a shovel for a touchdown. He threw a deep bomb there to Tyreek for a touchdown. Tyreek had three touchdowns. 42.30 win. Chiefs over Eagles. And, you know, this is what Kansas City looks like when they play a cleaner game on offense.

And they hadn't been clean in recent weeks. The killer fumble against the Ravens late in that game, turnovers last week in an upset loss and now you play a clean game, you get 42 points the other team's going to score because the chiefs continue Greg to have

issues on defense but the Eagles as they did last week kill themselves and two weeks ago as well kill themselves with unforced errors. Three touchdowns negated by penalty. It resulting in three four point plays. You know that's

what the old Michael Lombardi saying. He probably took him from Parcells. When you leave a touchdown on the field, kick a field goal, you'll lose four points. Well, do the math, three of those, I'm not great at it. Four times three is 12. You lost 42.30 pain. They led the league and penalties coming into this week. I think they had set the Eagles record for most penalties in a three-week span.

That's concerning. Not shocking. I mean, the Chiefs actually lose the turnover battle in this game, one and nothing. and they still put up 42. It's funny because with the Chiefs, it's like, people are like, they haven't really developed their offense. They haven't really, like, changed it that much in the last few years, and they're not really getting anything beyond Tyreek Hill and Kelsey.

And it's like, yeah, you don't even really need to. And you still put up 42 on the Eagles. And the only reason the Chargers beat you is because you've turned it over four times. So I'm not worried about the offense. They got the running game going, which I think is a big sign for them, because I think they will need to run it efficiently, at least. to be the team that they need to. They're going to have to put up 40 each week at this rate.

They will. By the way, speaking of offense, no defense, we got a little jackpot in this game. And this surprised me. For only the fourth time, that's our jackpot sound effect. For only the fourth time, I thought it was going to be more like you would hear the coins falling,

Ricky, and maybe some buzz in the crowd. Let's work on our jackpot sound effect for next week. Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, The crowd ambiance, that's a bad job on me. I should have assumed you in a whole casino. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm saying I think we, the collective we, could be better with that. For sure.

Yeah, totally. No punt game. Hit it again. Oh, wow. Hit it again. Jackpot, baby. Brent Musburger is going to sue me. Because for only the fourth time in NFL history, Greg, there was no punts in a game.

And it happened here. The chief scored every time they had the ball. except for one Mahomes, I&T. And the Eagles, yeah, they killed themselves with mistakes. Otherwise, they were moving the ball. Well, I thought Jalen Hertz was good in this game. Fantasy God, Jalen Hurts. Seriously, he is a top five quarterback at worst.

And because even when they're getting blown out, he finds away in the end zone a couple times late and he did it again this week after he did it on Monday night. But as long as if the defense is going to get lit up like this week after week, they are just not, you know, the Cowboys are going to leave that in. entire division in the dust. I just think they got stuck playing the Cowboys and the Chiefs every week, but it's pointed out that any hope that the Eagles defense was special

and anything beyond just average is hoping for too much. That's insane. The Chiefs went six for six scoring touchdowns. It's one thing to put up 42. It's another thing to do it in seven possessions. I don't know. That's crazy. That's the thing.

It's like you got to shorten the game against the Chiefs. You've got to make them work hard. It's like, okay, once again, you just shortened the amount of time it takes to lose. Right. I feel like the recipe. There's no answer. There's no answer. I mean, unless you're the Tampa Bay Bucks and the Super Bowl, it's going to be very hard to cook up a scheme to actually stop the Chiefs.

So then it becomes something else. It means your offense has to have a big day. You got to get turnovers. And you have to get turnovers. And that's how you beat the Chiefs. And the Eagles were unable to do anything to match the Chiefs on offense in this game. and the one turnover was all that they were able to get in that game. So that's it.

For the Philly often. I know some of it was late, but still 30 first downs. That feels good after the last. Yeah, the chief, I mean, if you're a Chiefs fan, you're frustrated because you can't get off the field, but it must be nice to have Patrick there to clean up all the messiness. The Chiefs back to 500. Let's move on.

Jones out of the gun. Hand off Sequin, slices right to the end zone. And in for the touch. down to the Giants winning in overtime. Seiquot Berkeley on a six-yard run. Here's your alpha dog.

You know, let's give the Giants a little it's on in New York City. It is a servant for this one. It's on in northern New Jersey. It's on in New Orleans. Sayquant Barclay ran for a six-yard TD in overtime

after Daniel Jones passed for a career high, 402. in the G-Men rally for the first one of the season, 27-21 over the Saints. Greg, and I know this one hurts you, and you've got to, you heard Greg. I almost could hear him whimpering.

I can't see him over the screen, but when he's suffering, I can feel it. And when it's the giants of all teams coming up, coming back on the Saints in the return to the Superdome, my goodness, they had it all set up, Greg. 21-10, fourth-quarter lead. What the hell happened?

21-10 and Wills. with the ball, and I think that sequence, and Giants fans, I'll give you your love shortly because you guys, they deserve it. It was a great comeback. The Saints get the ball up 21. I'm not, I'm just saying, because that. Giants fans used you.

That was the story, and that's where I was going to go first, but you set me up in a particular way, so you've got to go with the host. They're up 2110. Was that a shot at me? No, no, I'm saying I'm just answering you. Gotcha. I have now wasted 40 seconds that none of you listening.

It's on. All right, go ahead. In that sequence with the Saints getting the ball, it was second and three. I remember it well, and it's about eight minutes left, and you think, oh, they're just going to run over the Giants. The Giants are built pretty well to stop the run. And no matter how much the Saints just kept looking for that big Camara play, they weren't quite getting it. They ran the ball 39 times in this game, I believe, and they only threw it 23. The New Orleans Saints, like in a close game.

It's different now. They stuffed Camara to make it third and two. and then you bring out Taysom Hill. And there was a lot of Tassum Hill today. And there was a lot of good. You got a couple touchdowns. And there was some bad. You got an ugly interception and you got him getting stuffed on this third down.

And I just think the way the Saints are playing football right now, it's a really slim margin for error. I think that Sean Payton is trying to play to his defense and play to his running game. And there were points in this game where even though at one point James hit 12 straight passes, it felt like they were just hoping James would not lose the game and that's where like hey let us go win the game here James

let's not be conservative let's not run the ball and that happened a couple times late in this game and they gave the Giants a chance and to the Giants credit they took advantage this is such a transition for the Saints because the way you're talking about how they're using James who by the way is box score tells a story of a good game

he had a 119 passer rating but using Alvin Kamara like this 26 carries for 120 yards you never used to see Kamara in that type of role as a running back. Which is not using, you know. Right.

And then, you know, so you have that side of things. And so the Saints kind of are still figuring themselves out. And I know we talked about Greg. I think you even made a case from having the best defense in the league. They took a step back. They're figuring themselves out. The Giants on the other hand, I think, yes, like you did, Greg. And that was very nice of you.

Again, magnanimous. You got to give him credit because everyone thought the season was over last week. and perhaps it is, perhaps a giant stink and they're going to end up. We'll look back at this in a couple of months and there'll be two and nine or whatever. But when you lose that game the way you did to the Falcons to go on the road in that supercharged atmosphere and find a way to come back.

And I think Sequin Barclay is a key to all this. Well, two things. Daniel Jones, again, when you look at his game-by-game results and I haven't seen this game yet, but I'm looking forward to it, he seems like he's making progress as a passer. And then you factor in Sequin, who I thought he looked very close to peak, maybe not peak, but Star Sequan last week. And now you look at the numbers again, and he is a huge factor in their running game.

And as a receiver, that's big news for the Jones. 126 yards from scrimmage. Right after that sequence I was talking about, the Giants get one of their two one-play drives in this game. It was kind of a freaky game. They had a one-play drive in the first half, first touchdown of the game, 52 yards to John Ross after a weird Sean Payton decision. I'll get to that one. And then another one-play drive, Sequin Barclay for 54,

where he beats Marshawn Lattimore. So that tells you, it was a great play call by Jason Garrett, and they fooled Latimore, who did not think Barclay was going to cut it up field. Beautiful pass. Daniel Jones played so clean. 402 yards, two scores. His pick was on a Hail Mary interception at the end of the first half, so that's not even against him.

No mistakes has made great decisions. You're right about Barclay. And I don't think you could have a more positive. positive game in terms of the Giants offense because not only did Barclay, you know, make those big plays, including the game winner. It's awesome when you get the game winning touchdown and overtime and that long play. But Goladay was so big in this game, six for 116. And Cadarious, Tony, their first round pick, who everyone's been killing Gettleman for has an amazing burst to his. I mean, he is explosive. So these injuries that they got to Shepard and slings.

And especially when those guys come back, maybe it's good because it made them come up with something for Tony. And he was beating Paul Senebbo, who's been pretty good as a rookie cornerback, but they picked on him all day. His miscommunication set up the game winning touchdown against Goladay. Tony had a number of big plays in this game, including like a third and 19 conversion. I was really impressed by him. So I almost thought, wow, Ross and Tony on the field. Like, we're cooking with some speed here, this giant's offense. And I know they didn't move at all game, but a 485 yard, that's pretty good.

I mean, to be without their, I know Ghaladay is their number one, but he hadn't been it to this point to play without two top receivers and still get 400 from Jones. That's a big thing. So 485 total. And I do, before we move, though, I do want to point out Sean Payton, sorry. Yeah, no. Just seems like he had a weird game.

He decided not to kick a 46 or 7-yard field goal in the first. half and he went for it on fourth and three and he hands it off to camara they don't get it so fourth and three now again conservative like that's a running down now didn't work then like the next drive it's almost in his head it's fourth and two and they're further back and they decide to kick a 58 yarder with rosas who hasn't made a kick in weeks and they miss that very next play uh john ross uh with the touch that like there was another sequence where a penalty overturns o james uh throw Very next play, they put Tayson Hill to throw it deep, and he throws a wounded duck. Twitter was buzzing about that one.

About 15 yards behind an open receiver. I forget if, I think it was Harris, who if he hit him, it's a touchdown, throws it way back. And then they blew, and this is what killed me, they blew all three of their timeouts like early in the second half. And they needed them at the end of the game. They could have tried to set up for a game winning field goal. And those timeouts were gone like two in the third quarter and one early in the fourth. He just seemed like he was on the fritz a little bit. James actually played well once he settled into this game.

They should have let him throw a little more. It was not a good Sean Page. Obviously, Greg on tilt right now. I am sorry. I'm honking. I had a lot to say about that game. Listen, it's okay to be the honky talk, man. This is your new favorite team.

And I just want to, well, the Saints, you love. No, you're so off on this. I'm not feeling this emotionally, this one. They're a hard team to figure out right now. I don't know. I, you know, I have to watch his one, but they are. They are through four games all over the place. We do have to give it up to Darius Slayton before we go to.

Yes. For the all-time coin flip performance. Really? I think in NFL history, I mean, not Darius Slayton, I'm sorry. Jabriel Peppers, who was out with an injury. Limp's out there. But he fights through it. He's out for the game with an injury.

He fights through it, goes out to midfield and puts up one of the all-time coinsflip performances. You're our visiting team. You have the choice. This is Tails. This is His. Hands is the call. And it is hedge.

We won't that ball. That's why we got to kick it. Yes. I'm confident. We want that ball. F them. That's just so good. Almost always when someone says, I'm confident, I'm confident.

They are not confident. But in this case, I absolutely believed it. Who was that? Gibral Pepper. See the Odell trade keeps on paying dividends. Wow. All right. Let's move on.

And this will be a 49-yard... No, it's on in New York City. If he misses, the Jets win. Out of the hold of Townsend. The snap clean, the placement down, the kick on the way. Does it have the distance? It floats left. It's no good.

It's no good. He pulled it left. And the Jets win it in overtime. On the missed field goal by Bullock. They've got their first win to the seat. You know, Bob was choosing is such a great play-by-play guy. We never hear him in the show because the Jets never win. But they won today.

Let me have this, Greg, because it just never happens anymore. Randy, Randy, Randy, Randy, not so down there. Randy Bullock was wide left on a potential tying 49-yard field goal, 15 seconds left to give the Jets their first victory, 27, 24. over the Titans at MetLife Stadium. Nice little home field advantage. Jets fans turned out. I was happy. This is a game, Greg, where it felt like more the same early on,

where the Titans who are obviously, they're missing A.J. Brown. They're missing Julio Jones. So you knew they were going to be up against it from a passing standpoint. They were going to have to lean on Derek Henry even more than they usually do. And in the early going, it seemed like it was going to be fine because the Jets' offense was just never going to get going, but then it did. The boy who shall lead us showed something here, Greg.

I can't wait to go back and look at some of these plays again because he, those plays when you heard the Mormon Mahomes stuff, when Tony Romo said the things that he said, it was a couple of the plays in this game where he keeps his eyes downfield. He scrambles. He's fading towards the sideline. and then he just and the ball

comes out of his hand remember in Tecmo ball and the Joe Montana passes would just go right into Jerry Rice's hands like a couple of these throws and there was a big I think it was a Cory Davis

touchdown where that was a sick he had his eyes on not only that he was off platform he recognized that the safety had cheated up and he pointed to Corey

get your ass downfield and then drills him with the big throw to put him ahead and it was uneven because he also missed a couple of throws that could have put the game away and it felt like the Titans were going to go get the Jets

but they got some luck down the stretch a ball that maybe the tight end Anthony Furksler should have had that could have set them up at the goal line or even to win the game in OT. The Titans take a delay of game penalty that killed them that set up the Bullock miss and the Jets get to celebrate

also getting to celebrate for the first time, let's welcome my old man, Keith Hansis, back to the podcast. First time in the new studio. He's Dan's dad. No doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan.

What is he going to say about the game today? What is he going to say about the game today? Great win by the Jets tonight. The Jets finally breaking into the wind column. You have to lose in the first three. and losing those first three pretty bad. So I think Wilson showed a lot of guts the way he played today. He's been taking a lot of heat in the papers.

And, you know, I'm really proud of the way the whole team, both the offense and defense, came together and gutted out a great win. So Jets, Jets, Jets. There you go. Keith Hansis, Greg. This is the progress that we talk about. The progress we hope to see in this game, the Jets being fun to watch.

And at the Titans expense, who they're killing themselves because, like, we need to go up there and beat the Jets. And here they're asking questions about themselves now, too. Right. And they have to give Henry 33 carries. I guess it'll never come back to haunt them his workload. But man, it's big. Jeremy McNichols, their leading receiver and Chester Rogers, you would just, if you're Mike Rabel, you've been around for a while. I know there's a lot of new parts, but you would have liked to have a defense that could that could close this game out, not give up.

give up this many fourth quarter points of the judge. Let's bring Ingraver, Justin Graver, he's such a big Titans fan. He's got his own podcast. I'm not here to rub it into you, Justin. But I do, I felt like you should have the platform. What are you seeing from your Titans? How much did this one hurt? I mean, it doesn't hurt that bad to me.

Yes, I think if you're an NFL fan of any other team, you can say we didn't have, at least we didn't have the day the Titans had. but like this division is such a mess that I feel like by the end of the season we're going to forget that this game happened I'd like to forget it right now actually I'd like to pretend this game didn't happen

they are playing for with a big margin for error right division yeah no I think they can survive in that division this loss but it just shows they're another team like the Saints it's kind of hard to make sense of them right now but also with the injuries that they're dealing with at the wide receiver position they got to get healthy because they're just way too um they're way to uh you know predictable on offense and and the offensive

line didn't protect tannahill either so it felt like every third down was just a sack like every third down was a sack right i mean that was crazy and yeah there was a stat from from i think pf it was or next gen stats that you know the the jets had four players with six plus pressures which is like the most players with that many pressures of any team in five years. So it's not just like one guy beating them. Everyone's beating them play after play. They did have 93 plays, which is outrageous, which makes me a little bit worried about that Jets defense who's about to hop on a plane.

But thank you to the Jets so that we're not going to cover a game with two winless teams. We didn't need any jokes about that. The Jets are coming in with a chance to get this win three. Instead, it's two one-win teams. That's exciting. But, yeah, the Jets defense has been good this season. C.J. Mosley's been really good. Quinn and Williams is really heating up now.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. move on they're going to throw here he's got time now slides to his left looks at the 35 back across the middle of the field

at McKissick at the third he turns to the 25 has the corner of the 20 15 10 5 died for the end zone touchdown where's the call make a call referees like man

touchdown touchdown Washington great call by Bram Weinstein WTE And one of my favorite plays of week four was Tyler Heineke off platform, swings it over to J.D. McKissick, who does the rest, diving into the end zone with 33 seconds to play after a Hail Mary falls unanswered

by the Falcons, Washington football team escapes with a 3430 victory, locking it up for the old Zucer. But I can't really, and that's three in a row for Zucer, by the way. that yeah this is championship um you know lock runs are mostly about lucky breaks this was a big one so i picked you know you never pick a mediocre team on the road that was mistake number one uh you never typically get behind a defense to deliver dominant performance when they've shown nothing to suggest that's coming which i did as well and that didn't happen so young and sweaty uh i think i called them on our TV show last week.

Yuck and stinky, something like that. It was brilliant. But that's still the case. They're not getting stops. But luckily they were against the Falcons who cannot close out a game. They had no business losing this game,

and yet they did. Right. I mean, not only did they give up those two touchdowns in the final four minutes, they gave up a kick return touchdown to start the second half. So it's like a lot. Like when you get a kick return,

turn touchdown. I always feel like you better win that game, you know, especially in Atlanta. And they were still at the point where they're down eight going into it. And if you just look at those two touchdowns, that's the Heinecke experience in a nutshell. The first one was a ridiculous throw. Not in a good way. He just threw the James Winston. I'm falling. I don't care. I'm just going to throw it up. And maybe that's not a bad idea when Terry McLaurin's on the other side. My guy goes six for 123 and two touchdowns in this game. And he just out muscles the cornerback and and catches the pop-up with $3.50 left. And then that play with McKissick,

that's a good play by Heineke, but it also is extremely unconventional, and he's just like running to the opposite side spot. Right, that's been a pick six about 5,000 times in the history of our league. And it's good, you know, he was, he had his wherewithal enough to spot Makisick in that spot. He knew where his checkdown was,

and there was nothing over there. That's a brutal loss. Heineke, and this is, he grew up in this area, in the Atlanta area. He completed 23 of 33 for 293 touchdown. Yeah, some luck was involved. But, you know, he's got, he's got some juice to him.

And I, he's Fitzpatrick light. I mean, this is another one. Those were Fitzpatrick throws. Right. And, you know, we'll see where Ryan Fitzpatrick is and where the Washington football team is when Fitzpatrick is potentially ready. But Heineke, I think, is making a case for being the guy right now. And I just want to say this for the Falcons before we move on.

But Cordill, Corderole Patterson, who. for years and years. People have been trying to figure out this guy. How do we make him work on our offense? How do we make – he's such a dynamo on special teams. How do we unlock Patterson? And I guess they have. I guess the Falcons and Arthur Smith have

because he became the first Atlanta player since 2018 to score three touchdowns in a game. None of them on special teams, Gregie. And he led the team in rushing again, six for 34, five for 82 and three. He is like a fantasy. juggernaut. And yet you can't help but think like, wouldn't it be nice if Calvin Ridley and Kyle Pitts were bigger juggernots? I know they had an okay game today. But it's like, yeah, I don't think Pitts is yet to find the end zone.

And Ridley, who I think a lot of us thought was just going to light it up week after week with Arthur Smith there. It just hasn't happened yet. So the Falcons, they head to London to face the Jets coming off really a stomach punch loss. One of those games that, ooh. It's too bad because neither of these teams feels like a two and two team. But it doesn't matter. Washington's got now a little time to figure some things out. They are a two-and-two team. All right, let's head to Orchard Park.

Was it Orchard Park? Alan pumps once, punts twice, fires it now, caught by Dawson Knox at the five, and he goes into the end zone. Touchdown, Buffalo. Dawson Knox with the touchdown. That was just some of the fun the bills had in this game. John Murphy with the call WGR. Tremade Enmids had one of Buffalo's,

Four interceptions, and the Bills, again, just beat up on an overmatched offense. This time the Texans. 40 Zip, the final. Greg, the Bills held Houston to 109 yards of offense, eight in the first half. Six first downs total. It's their second shut out in three weeks. The Texans had negative 23 passing yards in the first half. This may not surprise you, but that was the lowest of any team in any half.

in at least 20 years. Pretty deep into the game, Mills had more interceptions than completions. And yeah, you could, remember we were talking? It was like a 17 and a half point line in this game, and it was like, you couldn't make one big enough

for Davis Mills against this Bill's defense. We'll find out more about this defense next week. They play Kansas City. But I've been really impressed by them. They lose Matt Milano. That hurts, but they have to be feeling great with these two blowout wins.

a row heading into that big chiefs game yeah they're just building momentum they're building their their steam now that's building here after that tough week one loss now they look like the bills and uh yeah that's that that is we have the chiefs coming up now week five that is sunday night beautiful that's a great game can't wait for that one um and i don't know about houston i mean the texans they they were shaping up early on as a little bit of like a underdog story everybody thought they would be the worst team in football and they're fighting week after week. Well, I mean, the longer Davis Mills is the quarterback, you might just see more of this. Right.

Tyrod is going to miss at least one more week because I believe he's on injured reserve. Maybe I'm wrong about that. But he was expected to miss one more week. They're not going to be competitive as long as Mills is out there. But it's big. Sanders has surprised me. Manuel Sanders week after week has surprised me by being a pretty clear upgrade from John Brown. and they're just leaving him on the field

and that is a tough group to stop when it's Knox Sanders, digs, and Beasley on the field. That is just maybe the best three-by-one set right now in the entire NFL. That hurts a little bit. Smokey Brown was always, you know. Yeah.

We were fans of him on this podcast, but it looks like Sanders has really found a home there. Let's stick with the AFC East and, ooh, more trouble for the dolphins. Wince, thanks to Shotgun snap, steps up in the pocket. He throws it a left flat, and it is a catch, a contested grab for Moe Alley Cox.

He just wanted it more of the end zone. Touchdown, I-N-D-Y. Matt Taylor, WF&I with the call. The Colts are alive, kind of. Carson went through two touchdown passes to Mo Alley Cox. Jonathan Taylor went over the century mark with a score on the ground, and the Colts got their first W of the season. season, beating the sputtering dolphins, 2717. Greg, this was a game, Indy obviously needed

badly. Have they finally find their way to the wind column? Well, sometimes the schedule maker delivers you the right opponent at the right moment. Yeah. And I didn't, I thought the dolphins were going to win this game, but I realized during this game, this was the right opponent at the right time. The Colts did not pass midfield in this game, Dan, until under five minutes left in the second quarter, which you would normally think. Oh, we're in trouble. But no, it was 3-0 at that point. The dolphins did not move the ball the whole time.

They only got that first touchdown drive, Indianapolis, because the dolphins lined up off sides on a punt. Otherwise, like, I think they would have gone into halftime, potentially, without having crossed midfield. But after that point, it was one-way traffic. It was the Colts team you kind of expected to see if you're an optimist going into the season. Jonathan Taylor really ran the ball well. They pushed them around for about three straight drives.

Carson Wentz made good decisions. They actually hit some big plays down the field, some to their tight ends. One to Jack Doyle was big. The Moe Alley Cox made a couple plays. Pascal had one 41-yarder. It was enough. It was clean. And the Dolphins' offense was just an absolute train wreck for most of this game.

You'll look at the stats and see they got 200 yards and 13 first downs. You'd be like, ooh, that's ugly. But that's only with two garbage time touchdowns. They barely moved the ball for about three quarters. I think they had six first downs and were averaging about two yards per play against this Colts defense, which until this game had really been struggling up until the fourth quarter and the game was over by then. And, you know, Jake Briscott is who he is, but he's also a very capable backup quarterback. And we don't know what Tua is and we don't know when two is going to be back.

So this is what it is for the time being. But, you know, you look at their, I know there's not a lot there running back or it's hard to say what they have there. But Tavante Parker, Mike Jaseki, you have Jalen Waddle there, Will Fuller, who I think hurt himself again in this game. There should be more explosiveness on offense, but we just haven't seen it. Well, they're so afraid to do these deep dropbacks because their offensive line has been so bad.

And the offensive line today was not necessarily the problem. But they kind of max protected from what I could see, did everything they could to sell out and protect Jacoby, and they couldn't scheme guys open. He held the ball for a while. It was just, it was tough watch. This would be a game. I know we're going to London.

Yeah. It's going to be tough to get in all the game pass games. But they have those like eight minute version highlights or something. I mean, if you were going to choose one game for that, this, this was not a fun watch. So it's that type of game. Okay. And how did Carson Went to move, by the way? How was he looking?

Better than last week, but not great. They actually, they had a call. run early in the game because they weren't respecting it and he picked up about 11 yards and it took a while. It took a while. You were just like slide

and then he he's the worst slider ever. He dives head first and because the rule is now that's giving yourself up you can't fumble but this is at least the second maybe the third time where he just dives on the ground

like a big galouf and then he fumbles the ball but it doesn't count as a fumble because you're giving yourself. Some guys just don't know and I think a lot of times it ties into their youth if you played baseball growing up

you know how to slide. If you didn't play baseball, a lot of, I wouldn't say a lot, but there are certain guys, I think RG3 comes to mind. Didn't RG3? He couldn't slide.

It would drive West Gray. Didn't they bring, then Yankees manager, Joe Girardi in for like a session. I remember writing like in a round-the-league post about that. That's the situation. But yeah, the cults,

obviously are still in trouble, but just like the Titans, it's the AFC South. So being one and three isn't a death sentence at Baltimore next week is going to be tough. But then you get Houston at home. So, you know, who knows. If you find a way to beat the Ravens

who have been a little inconsistent at times this year, you could be three and three and on your feet. The defense showed up. We'll see. It was one game, but this is what Steve Weiss was saying coming into this week, maybe that the defenses are going to start

turning the corner a little bit. Like if I'm a Packers fan or I'm a Colts fan, you saw your defense squeeze bad offenses and you're thinking, okay, maybe they're going to be okay, at least average. All right.

Let's take a quick break and then welcome in Kevin Patcher. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that?

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Clock at six, five, going to turn in hand to Collins, who finds some running room and break free. 10, 5, he is in, flips at the goal line, touchdown, Seahawks. Alex Collins is going to do his Irish stance, and well he should. Oh Patrick's Bongo's time, baby Let's go Patrick's like I don't mess with those

Bongo's Look at that Alex Collins He scores He does as Irish Jake And the Seattle Seahawks Coast to a 28, 21 victory over the Niners Now that score doesn't tell you

Coast but it was they were in control of this game patrick um can i actually at first um i need to go on the record uh apologizing for to erika for last week for making her go back and bleep out my swearing tirade it's okay i'm not i'm not apologizing for saying those words right work that she had to extra put in okay right we call that we we call like kevin patra salt of the earth tax

and we know it's there will be some cleanup But hey, it wasn't, no, Greg. Patrick had a classic performance at the Super Bowl like six years ago that we still talk about. Oh, right. That's right. Well, Patrick, we like him, though. He's shooting from, he's shooting from the hip, as they say. I don't even remember what game you're covering at this point.

Yeah. Go ahead, the Barnburner in San Francisco. I mean, it was really a tale of the 49ers, not taking advantage of early opportunities, a buried Seattle who could not get off the ground to start the game. Five, three and outs to start negative 12 yards, total offense in the first five possessions. And the 49ers zoom right down behind Jimmy G. Score a touchdown. You're thinking this could get ugly for Seattle.

And then it completely flipped. Seattle went, it's 21 straight points. It's at one point in the second half or the third quarter. And it just felt like it was over. Tray Lance took over in the second half And he couldn't do anything But did anything go Other than one huge play

And this is just the beginning for Tray Lance now And this might be the official handoff Because even though he didn't really heat up in this game And probably has a lot of work to do In terms of learning the offense And getting comfortable at this level Jimmy Groplo suffered a calf injury And he was pretty despondent after the game

He said he anticipates being out a couple of weeks You got the Cardinals coming up here for the Niners. And it just seems like now, Patra, if Lance can put together any type of momentum over the next couple of weeks, this will be the torch being passed. How confident are you that he'll be able to build off this game? Because there were some moments scattered in this game of positive nature for him. Yeah. When he saw the throw and he unleashed it, he's got a cannon. And he had 179 yard touchdown on a busted play. It's just he felt a little hesitant to me like to pull the trigger like coming in at half time he just doesn't

seem ready like he was thrust into a situation that he wasn't ready for the game plan didn't really fit his skill set it kind of was like oh these are the four cuby run plays that we have in the playbook for today so we're going to run them but it didn't it wasn't a shanahan with a mobile rg three quarterback that we saw i mean shanahan said after the game he looked like a quarterback in his first you know opportunity but i'm having rg3 flashbacks to his first opportunity and go like destroying the cowboys and such. But that was with a week to prepare. And Shanahan did point out that they, look,

this was the game plan for Jimmy G. It was, it was Trey Lance behind center the whole time. And they were not really running the type of offense you would expect for Lance. It's a strange game because I'm just, you know, looking at the possessions in everything. Seattle had seven, three and outs.

They only had 234 yards in this game. Like, explain that one for me. They got out game by like 200 yards. Oh, yeah, when you have five, three and outs to start the game. Of course, you're, you're, they only really had two good possessions. Because one of their touchdowns came after San Francisco imploding on special teams and fumbling a kickoff. And Wilson made a Houdini type play to get out of a almost sure sack and threw a touchdown. And that kind of put them up two scores. And then they took the foot off the gas and the

next drive after that. They scored again, but it was thanks to a huge penalty. So like, they really only had two good drives the whole game. The rest of it was like four yards in a cloud of dust. Russ couldn't really get anything going. He had a lot of passes behind receivers. Guys weren't making plays. The offensive line struggled to block for the most part. Alex Collins was probably the most impressive Seahawks offensive player in the game. Wow.

And honestly, that's what I saw. He was running through guys in that touchdown that you called in the beginning. I don't think he was touched. And he just like, bobbed and weaved his way to the end zone. He's a fun player to root for, given what, his history. But overall, I would say the whole game was kind of. kind of like this kind of trippy experience because neither team looked like they were revving up for a playoff to be honest with you and I know that's you know game script and the number of possessions

and all that and you said Wilson played a role in that as well in terms of their ineffectiveness but I just wonder in like 10 years or 15 years when Russell Wilson is retired will Seahawks fans look back and be like I can't believe there's so many games when Russell Wilson threw 23 passes in the entire game like don't you don't you want to have an offense where you just, I don't want to get back into the let's Russ cook debate, but there need to establish the run no matter what. It's just frustrating when you hear about an offense that really has not been in gear the last couple of weeks. Yeah, I don't think like you can make these big sweeping generalizations after the first month. But one of my biggest takeaways just

from the first month is that the Seahawks and the 49ers really do look like they've got some ground to make up. Obviously they do in the standings. Two games now, they're behind Arizona and one to the rims. But just in terms of the firepower and everything that we thought coming into the season, Arizona and Los Angeles just look like better teams.

And Seattle and San Francisco were teams that had Super Bowl aspirations coming into the season. They're going to have to be a lot different, Patrick, I think, in the next couple of months. Been very unimpressed with Shanahan's offense so far. We'll see if that changes. I know. Yes, agreed. I think we're all excited to see

what can happen with a new quarterback, but it's not necessarily going to be a magic elixir and they're going to be humming. But maybe they will. That's the fun thing we get to watch and find out. All right, let's close it out, Patra, with some Lions football. Oh, yeah. I like how it's how it's Lions football, not Bears football. Snap, play fake. Nope, they'd hand it off. Montgomery cutting inside. Stodging one tackler, still on his feet as he rumbles, and he's in to the end zone for the touchdown. That's all David Montgomery. That is second effort, nine yards. Far side of the end zone.

Touchdown Bears. Jeff Johnnyack, WBBM. David Montgomery ran for 106 and two scores before leaving with a knee injury. And the Bears followed their nightmare week three with scores on their first two possessions in a 2414 win over the Lions. Patrick, you were, and that's, it was the work of Ricky and the edit to clean up your language but i know because i follow these things on social media that the listeners they like the passion that you brought to that brown the the the bear's conversation last week and how

hideous they were as an operation against the browns did you see gains for this offense did you see gains for justin fields and matt naggy and the whole experience as a whole well playing the worst defense in the NFL sure certainly helps right it has to right right you're over a dead horse. It's easy. There shouldn't be one starter on the Lions that plays for another team. So I think that this was a perfect situation. And when we looked at the schedule, when Nagy started, kept saying, I want Dalton to start. I want Dalton to start. You look to the schedule like, okay, week four should be Fields. They'll get through the Browns. Dolton will probably get destroyed and then he has an excuse to go to Fields, right? This, it was, would have been the

perfect opening script for Justin Fields. My issue with Nagy was last week. He didn't adjust when that plan went awry. He didn't change anything. This week we saw more motions. Fields got out of the pocket. He had all day for some throws to make, and it was beautiful. He made some gorgeous throws, deep throws.

Finally, this offense stretched the field. He had nine of ten passes, completed nine of ten passes over ten yards. Dalton had two for his first game and a half. So this was just a completely different offense we saw. with fields actually running a vertical threat and Daniel, Darnell Mooney, I'm sorry,

was awesome to see that aspect of the game come into it because that's where he thrives, going downfield. And I think we're going to see more, we should see more from this, especially against the worst pass-rush defenses when he's got time to throw. Well, that's a rough statement saying that no one on their defense

should start for any other teams. And then I went through the list. And Romeo Acquara, of course, would. But he was lost to what sounds like a season ending Achilles injury in this game. And then I went through the other 10 and you could make the argument, Patra. You really could, which is absolutely crazy. I found it funny that, you know, it was a better day, a more sensible day for the Bears'

offense. And then after the game, there's still so much negativity, Montgomery gets hurt for the Bears. And then Nagy has to answer these questions about Bill Laser now calling the plays. And you could tell he was getting upset about it. Who's getting the credit? And he was like, well, it still goes through me. And then he also said, well, and I'm not going to answer any questions about who's calling the plays anymore. That's not what you want.

I'm out of a winning day. That is tough. It's not what you want. That's his own fault for playing this whole game where I'm not going to tell you scheme, scheme, scheme. It's his own fault. He's buried himself multiple times. He had a chance all week to say, starting fields, we'd have confidence in this kit, and he didn't take it, and he didn't take it. He's just made every wrong decision there is.

This game doesn't change that. They looked good against a bad team that kept shooting themselves in the foot the whole day. if we want to flip to the lions and how you can get inside the 10-yard line in your first three drives and scores zero points because you're that type of team. Jared Goff has two fumbles and then he throws it 35 miles in the air

over a guy's head on fourth down. And that's the kind of game it was. I just think what my main takeaway is Justin Fields showed what kind of player he can be with his arm, with his elucidness. He only got hit three times, he sacked once. So this was the type of game that you wanted to see not the last week game,

you're statuesque in the pocket. You know, in a lot of ways I see Matt Nagy is this season's version, Adam Gase, and it reminds me of late last season when Gase was talking about whether he had the play calling for the Jets over Loggins,

and then it was said that, no, I didn't, I'm not calling the plays. I'm like, well, we watched you on the sideline and the camera was on you and you were calling the plays and Loggins wasn't doing anything.

He's like, Hamana, homina, hamana, hamana. That's where the Bears are as a team right now, just waiting to move on to the next coach, it feels like sometimes. Yeah, and it's bad because I just don't think that's the right thing for this quarterback. I don't know. You're two and two Bears fans. I know it's a lot of negativity, but you are two and two.

It's true. And you have a good quarterback. You finally have a freaking good quarterback if the coach can just figure out how to use them properly the rest of the way. Against good defense. All right, K Pat. thank you buddy no bleeps needed all fire no expletives thanks dude right see you're being nice to rickie she was being nice to you trying to lock up your lions and just like i love all the love in the air to love it oh rick i did it for you patra i really next time asking me i would have told you don't do

what rickie what are you doing jared golf outside yeah no it's a it's a mental game because Greg doesn't want me to play, and I'm still going to beat him. You wait. What do they call it when you, you know, in Ted Lassow, where he's like, you never asked me if I played darts. You never asked me if I play locks. So you just wait. Oh, wow. Are you talking trash with being at 0 and 3?

Yeah, this is not a good choice. I think you were 5 and 15 last year or something. Like a coin flip would do that. I think it's getting to the point where we've seen enough, Erica, to know that you're really bad at this. Um, I, I try to pick with the smallest, um, spreads. Don't, don't. Now that there's no victories in that. Just try to get it right.

Stay within, as long as you stay within seven points of a favorite. Start being a little more conservative because this isn't working. Taking the lions on the road is just not a no way to live. It was a popular pick this week, but it didn't. Well, let's show you what the popular. Yeah, popular opinion lead you sometimes. All right. Thank you, Patrick.

We love you, Patrick. Thank you, Ricky, for everything today. All right. There it is. The week that was, Greg, what a week. This week that is upon us now is our trip to London, England. The Iran-the-N-Fel podcast returns to the UK for the third time. It will be me.

It will be you. It will be Ricky Hollywood. Unfortunately, Mark Sessler, the decision was made. everyone is on the same page, including Mark, to kind of stay home and continue to recuperate. So he's ready to rejoin us on the other side. So that's a bummer, but also the right move. Right, Greg? It is the right move.

No, I'm just thinking about, thinking about Mark, and I'm thinking about like he's going to get in fighting shape, the best shape of his life. And we're going to close this season strong with him. And we'll miss them, of course, over in the UK. But we'll have fun. We'll have fun. And, yes, we're going to be doing all the. the fun stuff. We're going to be at the Jets Falcons game. We're going to be at Sky Sports. We're going to have not one, but two live shows. One's already sold out and there's one more

late show that's still for sale. If you want to get tickets before those disappear, the top secret comedy club.comedy club.com.com.uk. You'll find us the 930 show. Go get tickets and meet us. Heroes fans. Interacting. Interfacing, Greg. That's what we look to do. Interface. Some Q&A. I'm great with the interface. oh yeah absolutely um all right Ricky you okay everything okay yeah I'm good with the Patriots and everything you're okay

yeah thanks thanks for tricking in okay good what about that other guy what's the guy at the top of the show the haughty what was his name Shook? Not Shook Nick Shook not Nick Shook the guy from the NBC

the fan the fake fan Schwarzy I wonder how he's doing right now and Swartzy from Ashland said I'll cheer for him when he comes out. But after that, nah, I want some sex. I want to see our freaking linebackers just pummel them and punish him. Yeah, I want to go home. Can we go home?

Yeah, let's go home. All right. Let's go to England. Danza signing off for the old boss, Ricky Holley. The pipe. Kevin Patrick coming at you. We're on to England. Pete the call.

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