NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2021 Week 6 Recap

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap every single game from Week 6 starting with the Cowboys' overtime win over the Patriots and the Ravens' victory over the Chargers. Did the Chiefs right the ship against Washington, and how did Dan Campbell react to another Lions defeat? Nick Shook joins to cover another close Vikings win plus Arizona's victory over the Browns. We finish it off with the down-to-the-wire Sunday night game between the Seahawks and Steelers.Around the NFL is part of the NFL Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That said, I'll never leave my fandom. But I get why it's probably a healthier move. I always thought moving to the West Coast from the East Coast where we all grew up, the games start at 10 a.m. And, you know, typically the Jets and Browns and Patriots would be on at 10 a.m. And you'd go back in the day before we started doing this. I'd go watch them. The Browns get shellacked somewhere.

But the great thing was, you know, the butt kicking ends around 120 p.m. And you still have the rest of your Sunday. When you're here, you're sort of still just doused. in the ill tidings. Yeah, I mean, you've got people laughing and giggling throughout the office. I don't know what you're talking about. First of all, my only season as an L.A. like fan was 2001, you know, the greatest. But Greg, you've had a broad career.

My mind is not. I was going to say the Patriots, yeah, sure they lost, but have you noticed they lead the league in moral victories this year? They are. I'm like, I'm more of like a fan of football. I'm like Rob Lowe, you know, with the NFL and the, it's like they're really providing great entertainment, great ratings. big time games. So I think the Patriots are winners. I feel like you've taken a pill and you're saying exactly what certain people

want you to say. All right. Week 6 in the NFL, we're going to go through every game coming up a little bit later is Nick Shook, our buddy, who's going to help us out navigating the day that was in the NFL. Mark, good to have you back for a Sunday show.

We are feeling good. I think we need to stop the Mark is back for each iteration of what we do. I think it's people, it's probably tiring audio watch. The Thursday night recap that'll be your first recap back. You know, it's that's coming this Thursday, you know. Oh, Thursday night recap with an underman Browns team and a virtual must win.

I feel like I'm going to have a good Mark Sessler show lined up. Nobody has what will happen. It's actually, you don't have to even do it. It's going to be Mark and Ernest Biner for Broncos Browns. We can pull it off. You could have the night off. I would marinate in that. All right.

Let's get to it. Let's start, yes, with the moral victory of the day. It went down at Gillette Stadium. Play fake. Boot to the right. Looking down the field, Lamb, 10, 5, victory. Cowboys win. The ghosts are exorcised. Brad Sham, the sham god, KRLD. With the call for the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network, Dak Prescott connected with C.D. Lamb on a 35-yard touchdown pass in overtime. The winning score in a 35-29 win. For the Cowboys over the Patriots, the Cowboys have now won five straight games. And in this one, they overcame a litany of mistakes, penalties, for the most part, some turnovers as well.

And they outlast, yes, there are no moral victories in our league. But it was a very game Patriots team that battled in this game. And Greg, one of the most exciting games of the year broke out of nowhere. Cowboys dominated for most of the contest and regulation. then the game changed with three touchdowns and four minutes of play in the fourth quarter. And in the end, Pat's got the ball, couldn't do anything in overtime, and then the Cowboys took over. It felt inevitable, at least to me, after the 4th and 4, latent regulation, Patriots trying to get the Cowboys off the field. And Dak Prescott drops back to pass, and Matthew June wins.

with an inside spin move immediately. Like, that was the play. That was the move that you gave Matthew Juden all that money for. He could have been the hero. He is on Dak Prescott in under two seconds. Dak sees it, gets rid of the ball a little quicker than he wants, and delivers a perfect throw that only Cedric Wilson could catch. And Cedric Wilson makes an even better play to get it.

I know a lot happened after that. I know Mike McCarthy tried to give it away. I know Nelson Aguilar gave it away. I know Bill Belichick, you know, crawled up like a little turtle into a shell like he's done for much of this season. But I think it comes down to no one's playing quarterback better than Dak Prescott. And I feel like the Cowboys offense can overcome so much. And today he did. Yeah, I mean, we have to now look at the Cowboys as a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

That's what they are. And Dak is playing as well as anyone in the league. And I think the game raises your opinion of everyone that played quarterback. back because Mack Jones, I think, you know, as a first year rookie, to come back with the ice-cold counter punch on that throat, on that throat to Kendrick Bourne, the 75-yarder, after the, after the pick six, and, you know, you could see someone else crumbling there. It was, you know, it's a tough one for New England, but if you're a Patriots fan, I know Greg is basically taking the Patriots and throw them off a cliff at this point. You've got to say, like, long term, I mean, long term,

I mean, you have to be very encouraged by Mack Jones. But if you're a Cowboys fan, and it's been a while for them too. You're looking at something special in Dallas. Yeah, and I think we all kind of saw the Cowboys even entering this week as a legit NFC contender to make it out of the conference, get back to the Super Bowl for the first time in a quarter century. So in its own way, this game, even though they didn't play, you know, the cleanest brand of football, this is different than other Cowboys teams as well where you don't play your best game where you shoot yourself in the foot constantly and some and you still find a way to get the job done. And, yeah, DAC, the throws that he made in crunch time, I mean, the Patriots had, I think, three different chances to win this game in regulation on that final field goal drive. And every time Dak stepped up, including the huge downfield connection, I think it was a 25-yard strike to CD Lamb on third and 26 that got them into field goal range. So, you know, we also have, and this is a little inside baseball, but in the newsroom here, I recently discovered we have access to the truck feed. the truck feed, which shows you the telecast, no commercial brakes.

You see all the raw feed. And we saw Dak limping significantly going into the tunnel after the game with a big smile on his face. But that is something to watch your, again, this is a guy coming off a serious leg injury. You wonder if it's connected. But either way, he was unstoppable when it counted. It's also a guy that throughout hard knocks basically told anyone bringing up his injury, go F you, because I'm going to get back on the field. So I don't, I think we're going to see them next week.

Well, I found it interesting. The Patriots seem to really load up and try to stop the Cowboys running game and see what else could happen. J.C. Jackson was in man-coverage. Man, he's made himself a lot of money this year. Like, J.C. Jackson's playing great. And he did for the most part in this game. But they almost dared the Cowboys, you know,

to move the ball with throwing it up and down the field and then cause mistakes. And they did. But the moral victories, you know, I said it with, you know, tongue-in-cheek, they've had chances to win these games. You know, you get the ball in overtime, you know, maybe you don't get a call here, but you had the Aguilar drop. And then you get the ball late in the first half, and you get the ball, even with 25 seconds left, I know it's nothing. But Belichick sits on it.

It bothered me more with 90 seconds left in the first half. Also, even punting on fourth and three, the way that the Cowboys offense was moving the ball on a field goal wins the game here. I wouldn't have hated them going for that either. I know that hands it over to him, but you've seen a very conservative. trying to win like it's 2001 style from the Patriots. And it's gotten them pretty close to beating the Bucks. It's gotten them pretty close to beating the Cowboys, but they didn't win either game.

It's also like this game, they had 14 plays in the first half and 45 in all of regulation before overtime, a bit of an aberration. Very strange game because the Patriots scored 14 points on their first seven plays from scrimmage, then went totally in the tank in the second quarter shut out, third quarter shut out, came to life and scored 15 in the fourth to take the lead. but it was not meant to be.

I thought on the Dallas side here, I mentioned it. Cedric Wilson, it won't really jump out to you in the box score because he finished four for 42 on seven targets. But I was surprised in multiple big spots in this game. Dak went to Wilson and he came through for them. And then C.D. Lamb,

I think a lot of people myself included saw this as his breakout year where he was going to go 100 for 1,500 yards and 12 touchdowns. And he might still end up that way, but it's been quiet at times nine for 149 and two touchdowns on 11 target. That's big boy, big boy pants performance, including the game winner. So, you know, football. I mean, Trayvon Diggs, getting to pick six to look like he's going to win, you know, to win the game when he's trying to get defensive player in the year, seven interception six games.

That's just insane. Mike McCarthy appearing to make every wrong choice he possibly can kicking the field goal with two and a half minutes to go. That looked like that could have cost him. And when the Patriots, like, scored on their 75-yard touchdown pass on the very next play, I said, well, it's almost like they scored too quick. The only way you're just not going to stop this Cowboys offense. They got close. They got close a couple times, but it didn't happen.

You know, I defend McCarthy more than anyone on the show. I'm the only one that sometimes does because he is the head coach of this team that's five and one and everybody's in love with. But then when you see things like that, it's fourth and one with this offense and you settle for a 51-yard field goal late in the fourth quarter. And Trayvon Diggs bailed you out with a pick six on the next. series, but that doesn't matter because it's that type of stuff that you wonder in the crucible of the playoffs, if McCarthy's got another one of these up his sleeve. And I understand if you're a Cowboys fan who's nervous. Even taking a time out before the Zerline game tying field goal with 20 seconds left when you could have just let it go to five seconds. It's just

someone who's a little overwhelmed by the moment when it comes to game management. When you're not running the offense or the defense, then you've got to be good at that. That's the school it comes from. And I mean, that's who they knew they were hiring. I do wonder if you're Kellyn Moore. Do you have, like, text threads with longtime friends saying this stuff drives me nuts because it's like it's... Kellen Moore, I will make the announcement here. Kellen Moore will be the next Dallas Cowboys head coach. I don't know if it's going to be 2022, 2023. At some point, he will just take over for Mike McCart.

It could have been 2020. Right. It might be a situation where Kellyn's like, I'm going to take a job somewhere else if you don't hire me, although they control whether or not he's allowed to interview. And Mark, I will break some news. I can guarantee Dak Prescott is not playing next week. Cowboys are on by. Gotcha, baby.

That's cute. Let's roll. That was effective. Gotcha. Another overtime lock there for hands. Lock it up, baby. Mark Andrews and the Ravens put up six more points. Come on, Grave digger, give it to me.

Give me my lock. I earn those. Sorry. Grave digger filling in for Ricky. There it is. all right now let's hit though timing was tough on it we put you in a tough tough spot right jackson took the handoff

looks at end zone fires touchdown mark and the ravens put up six more points Jerry sand dusky with the call for wb al Lamar jackson threw for a buck 67 and a touchdown not too impressive but guess what didn't need to be the raven's defense shut down Justin Herbert and the chargers final score 30 four to six.

Gregi, the bolts could not be stopped against the Browns on offense, and it was just a totally different story in this one. It was insane. I saw a stat after the game that Justin Herbert was pressured on 33 of his 42 dropbacks. 33. 33 times in a single game. I've never seen anything like that. And they all weren't deep drops.

I mean, sometimes this is a pretty quick throwing offense. Now, they got stuck in third and long quite a bit, and they've been so good on third and long and so good on fourth down. Maybe it was time for regression to happen. But regression works the other way, too. Sometimes there's positive regression. And to me, the Ravens' running game and their defense has been mediocre all year or worse. And in this game, they look like the old Ravens where they're blowing up holes,

where it almost seemed like they were challenging. How big a hole do we need for Devante Freeman and Latavio? Murray and Ledavion Bell to get through. Because it has to be huge and the place take forever to develop. And guess what? They were big enough. And the defense, as I mentioned with the pressure, was old Ravens-style defense to the point where, as you mentioned, Lamar didn't need to do too much.

He made some big plays from the pocket. But it was their run game. It was their defense. And I think if you're the rest of the AFC, the idea that the Ravens have gotten a little lucky to get out to this four-and-one start, but I have a lot of room for improvement moving forward. They are a very scary team. I'll get my locks this season.

I'm off to a fast start. Some people say, oh, maybe a little lucky, but the just improvement is on its way. That's one of the biggest stories on the sports scene. That's the way I look at it. But Mark being back in the studio

is so great just for the look on his face that he had right there. It was not discussed. It's just like, you know, we will spend 40% of the show in various forms of self-promotion and that's the first. By the way, Greg,

I mean, that running on the Chargers has not been a huge chore for teams this year. I mean, the Browns had 230 last week. The Chiefs had 186. The Cowboys had 196. So that's a weak spot for them. But I think the Ravens, you were dealing with a completely new crop of running backs. You've had issues along the offensive line. They've had a month now to get into shape. And to me, I mean, it's like, I don't know how many other ways they can win games to provide enough proof for everyone watching. Well, this way. This is the way that proves it to me. To win 34 to 6 against a good team,

you know, a lot of people, including myself, thought the Chargers will win this game. That is different, and that is scary. And you're right about the run defense for the Chargers because Matt Money Smith was sitting in your chair one of those weeks. And look, he pointed out. My chair. You know, it is your chair.

You own it. I am agreeing. Nice self-promotion, bro. He said, like, their defense is sort of designed to funnel runs. You know, they want you to run the ball. But there's a point, and they were missing. Do they want you to run for 230 yards? No, they don't.

That's what I mean. Like, they were, missing two linebackers today, Tranquil and Khazir White. They don't have anyone in their front seven who's good except for Joey Bosa. That ends up being a pretty big problem as they keep continuing down the season. Yes.

They were in total control of this matchup. All three of their veteran running backs, Latvius Murray, Levion Bell, and Devante Freeman scored touchdowns. Levyon Bell wearing number 17. It's hard to watch. Even his touchdown took like, it was like a three-yard run that took like an hour, it felt like. He's very patient.

We know that. So patient. But no, Herbert, 22 of 39, 195 yards, touchdown in a pick. Give them a pass. They've been great all year. Sometimes you have a bad week. This is the bad week for the Chargers, or is there something more to read into here? Well, I think the defense is what I'm concerned about.

The offensive line, we'll see if that continues. Yeah, I almost thought, like, it was good for him to. He had a bad game, too. He missed throws. He made bad decisions. On those 33 times he was pressured, he averaged 1.1 yards per year. attempt on this place. So he was not coming up with the answers that he usually does. The defense is what I am concerned about because I just don't think they're rounding into anything but way below

average, which is not what Brandon Staley expected. All right. So the Ravens, they really make a statement there in week six, Greg. And I have some breaking news. We're just talking about the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott and the truck feed and the limp heard around the world. It's a calf strain suffered by Dack on that final play of the game. Oh. And he will be re-evaluated with an MRI to come on Monday. Like I said, they have a buy. Sometimes it's your year.

Like, that's, maybe it's the Cowboys year. Unless he tore his calf, then it's stuff. What I said was not to worry about it. It has two weeks for us not to worry about it now. But we'll see. Calf can be tricky, and we'll see what the MRI comes up with there. All right. Let us move on.

Darrell Williams, a long setback. They fake it to him. for pass touchdown Kansas City on the quick slant at the back of the end zone off play action tie re-kill and the cheetah finds the sweet necker of the end zone when the chiefs need it the most Mitch hold us with the call WDAF has the glow returned maybe not but Patrick Mahomes got his act together in the second half on Sunday leading three touchdown drives to make up for two turnovers in the first half. And he led the Chiefs to a 31 to 13 comeback win at Washington. The defending AFC champions get back to 500 with the win. And it came on a game where in the first half,

he threw his seventh and eighth interceptions of the year. He threw six all of the last season. And the second one, which happened late in the first half, with seconds to play on a third down deep in Washington territory. he muffs the snap and shotgun picks it up and then kind of has like a panic where he just throws it up for grabs and it gets intercepted. And you're just thinking yourself, what is going on with the chiefs this season? Because Mahomes, that was probably the worst play of his career, you could argue. And you just wonder, is this really going to go sideways?

Well, at least for this week, they got it together. And Mark, the Washington football team is a good team to get healthy on against on offense, which you had never said before the season started. but that's just the way it is because we saw it again as the big plays piled up for KC in the second half, Washington looked increasingly confused about what the hell was going on on the field. Yeah, I mean, the Washington defense, which has been under fire by, you know, analysts, rightly so, gave up 499 yards. So the glow is off a team that had 500 yards, put up 31 points, had 29 first downs,

and a really bad play from Patrick Mahomes. I just, I guess it's like October, what, 16th or something? I want to wait a little bit more time before I'm... Today's October 17th. Well, you know, I mean, there are facts that I'm missing. What do you want to wait for? I'm not, I am not going to, you know, drive home and maybe, you know, veer off the highway over with concerns about the chiefs at this point. No.

I mean, I am like. Well, they won today. Well, that's what I'm saying. This is like, this is concern. Right. The Washington football team is maybe the worst team in the league other than, you know, the Jaguars, the Lions, the Texans. One of the worst teams. Okay.

That's a better way to say it. But they're there. Because they're asking Tyler, Taylor Heineke to try to keep up with this dreadful defense. It's just not going to happen. The Mahomes pushback is, is driving me a little crazy. First of all, that first pick was another drop. So he's had three picks. Three of those picks were dropped.

And a few of them were these third down desperation plays, which he shouldn't make. This play reminded me a lot of the Ravens Interception, which was one of the worst plays of his career, too. But I saw multiple tweets today. One mentioned his mother that she couldn't make a. an excuse for this. I guess she was tweeting about it. What? That feels a little bit heavy.

This one wasn't like his mom can't blame it on someone else. And then it asked the question, has the league figured Patrick Mom's out? Wait, who's tweeting this stuff. Someone who I had to block who has a lot of followers, who has a lot of followers. I blocked them just because sometimes your take is so bad. You don't get muted. You get blocked. And then Spot Rack, which I love, did a tweet halfway through the game.

Again, don't. Did you say Spice rack or spot rack? Spot rack. You know that contract. Which I like. I like. Don't tweet halfway through games too much. They put up something about how much money he has left on his contract and how much is fully guaranteed as if the contract was a problem.

Just shut up. What are you talking about? They are literally first in the league in yards and points per drive this year. I just want to point that out. Just want to point that out. I'm with you, although after your tirade there, I would say it's 50-50. Dan, that I've been blocked by Greg at something. Have I not annoyed him?

I found the guy that he locked. I won't say who it is, but if you want to, just like I was able to put together the clues based on Greg's commentary, you could find it in seconds as well. And that person probably or maybe or possibly is listening. And Greg is just burning more bridges left and right with media figures.

Then have better takes than that. It's a terrible take. Because, yes, if you are really watching the games, you're not seeing a league that's figuring out Mahomes. You're seeing a little bit of a wonky start to the season, some bad luck, and then some pressing.

And I thought the interception at the end of the second quarter, which is why I was just like scratching my head, is like, man, one have you seen Mahomes look kind of scatterbrained in a moment like that? And it just doesn't happen a lot. So I thought the second half here was very important for the chiefs in terms of just, okay, let's calm things down. We're back to 500.

The Chargers just got their ass beat. So they're not going to run away and hide on us. We have a chance to get this thing under control. So I think it's not a win that solves all their problems, but it's a very nice victory to take moving forward. Right. And I'm not even trying to say there aren't problems. I'm just saying let's use the context that he's coming off

the best first three seasons as a starter in the history of the NFL. That has to be baked into it. And what if we told you three years ago that three years from now he's going to make this interception that has everyone, you know, mildly melting? Well, it would be the one time he's done that. I take it. All right. Let's take a break and then we'll bring in the pipe.

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Oh, Paul Allen with the call KFA and Kirk Cousins completed a 27-yard touchdown past the KJ Osborne on the first possession of overtime lifting the Vikings to a 3428 win over the Panthers who were 0 and 3 since their 3 and 0 start. Now we welcome in as promised Nick Shook, the pipe, who had eyes on this game and wrote about it for NFL.com. Shuki, for the second straight week, the Vikings gagged away a fourth quarter lead and for the second straight week. and for the second straight week, they found a way. They found a way after, I would say, two to two and a half quarters of some of the most frustrating football you're ever going to watch.

If you're a traditionalist, you say, well, that's just great defense. But if you're a realist, you realize that it was one offense struggling to move the ball against a good defense and the other offense struggling to do anything because its quarterback couldn't get out of its own way and they were missing their best playmaker on offense. And then that all didn't matter suddenly within the,

course of a blocked punt and a fourth quarter everything just flew off the handle we ended up an overtime of a game that i didn't even know if we'd ever actually get to the end of because it was so quiet in bank of america stadium that i thought people might just fall asleep uh completely turned it on it on its head and uh became a thrilling game but yeah um you know we got a thrilling overtime finish and really it was a product of the fact that the vikings don't know how to close the game there's this was a sessler game too and he was very frustrated at the pay of play to your point, Nick, that, like, you know, it's sitting there in overtime, you know, with, and I'm watching the Browns Cardinals game first quarter end. So it did, it waged on. And I think

if you watch the end of the game, you'd think differently about Kirk Cousins and the Vikings offense, which you're right, was extremely frustrating. It went into a deep slumber for long stretches of this game. And Sam Darnold spent three plus quarters convincing you that he's not going to be able to carry the Panthers through this season unless they get Christian McCaffrey back for the rest of the year when he comes back from his injury. I mean, the Vikings did put He was up 571. Yeah, but it was nothing like that. Right.

I mean, they had 16 unanswered points and stormed back, but they really look troubled for a big chunk of this game. Yeah, I think at one point on the Panthers side, Sam Donald had as many completions overall as Adam Thielan had receptions. They both had eight. He did, and Dan and I noticed that that Donald at one point was so off targeted. He threw an O, he overthrew a pass into the end zone area and grazed a woman, Dan. Yes, an attractive one young woman took a. He's just calling her a woman, and she wasn't really watching the game closely, and it's surprised her. And then, yeah, Donald kind of saved himself with a 96-yard drive there.

They convert a fourth and forever from his own goal line, and then march all the way down the field, get the two-point conversion. So it kind of saves Donald for a lot of criticism this week. Still finishes 17 for 41 with a couple turnovers. Right. So it's like, for me right now, like, listen, nobody's breaking news here. Sam Donald is not a guy that's going to be able to carry. this team by himself, and which ties in, I think, and it connects to the Panthers botching the

Christian McCaffrey situation here. There's no way around it that they know how important he is to the offense. So they kind of set things up in a way where they try to get him back maybe sooner. They didn't even put him on IR initially. Obviously now there's a setback because now he's back on IR or he finally heads to IR and now he's back week nine at the earliest. So now you're in a situation, Shoki, where you have Sam Donald's going to be out there alone with Robbie Anderson, who he has very little chemistry with all of a sudden and you need DJ more to step up week to week. None of this really points in a great direction,

especially when the league best as it was set up to us going into this game. Panthers D got shredded today by the Vikings. I thought we were tossing those rankings out. No, this is an example of two defining traits of the David Teper Panthers and really the Matt Ruhl Panthers so far. It's one, they don't know how to manage Christian McCaffrey injuries. They didn't really manage it very well last year either. you go back and think about that, when they probably should have shut them down in a lost season

and toyed with it and toyed with it until the final few weeks. And also, they're hyper aggressive because they thought, you know, they get out to this three and no start. And they're like, we have to capitalize on this. We're going to make moves. You know, we're going to make trades and so on and so forth. And ultimately, what do you get? You get a team that still its fate rests on the shoulders and on the arm of Sam Darnold, who does not have his best player because you can't manage his health effectively. And this is what you get. And I know they got to overtime and they almost won the game and they should be commended for fighting because they were down 11 in the fourth quarter. But man, I have a debate ongoing with a buddy. Which three and O team is for real or

less real than the other one? And right now between the Broncos and the Panthers, I think the Panthers are losing that battle. And games like today kind of tell me that. Yeah, I mean, I still look at the Panthers as a well-coached team. From the Viking side real quick, because I know this drove Greg nuts that I put Mike Zimmer in that Mike McCarthy category where this is not a cutting edge time clock manager or sort of late game decision guy, but also positive for the Vikings. KJ Osborne, I mean, like, you start to realize that this wide receiver group is dangerous.

And to talk about the Vikings going to sleep, you're still getting moments from Kirk Cousins. And I know that probably the experience will end at some point with Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. He's playing really well when things are going good for the Vikings. He's great. He's very good. And Osborne has won them a couple of these games

with the plays that meet. He is a legit number three. You have multiple chances to put the Panthers away late in the game. And Mike Zimmer is still coaching like he's coaching some elite defense and that it's 2002 or something like that. All he had to do was call a couple passes and let Kirk Cousins win on first or second down on some of the last drives. And then you wouldn't have had to go to overtime.

Sam Darnold only got a chance because Mike Zimmer's running on third and long. It's like, let your best players. make the plays. Like Theelin, Jefferson, Cousins, let them make the plays. I do enjoy being back in the office just to hear Greg's temperature, I guess to see Greg's temperature

just rising throughout these games. It's always these tough guy head coaches, too. Like, we're going to be really tough. And then they coach pretty scared. Like, they coach like they're afraid to lose. So that part I don't get. Yeah, it's exactly that you're exactly right. He's coaching not to lose.

And the funny thing, too, is, you know, we talked about 571 yards of total offense and how it didn't look like that at all. Here's another stat for you that people won't realize when they talk about Kirk Cousins, he's thrown three or more touchdowns and zero interceptions in five of his last games. He has 11 such instances in which he's done that since 2020. Only one quarterback has done that more, Aaron Rogers.

And yet, Kirk doesn't get the respect. And I think sometimes he doesn't get the ball and put in his hands to go do it. It's going to happen again. Everyone's going to bury Kirk Cousins during the season, during the offseason. And then you'll look at his stats like, oh, what did he do last year? He was probably like 21 touchdowns, 23 picks. Pass rating of 87. No, he's going to throw for 37 touchdowns

and 12 interceptions and throw for 4,700 yards. And he is not the problem in Minnesota. It never has been. He's a little annoying. I think that's a huge part of him. His shove of Zimmer actually was like my favorite thing Kirk Cousins has maybe ever done. And now I'm all in on Kirk Cudson's.

But yet highly awkward because he specializes in highly awkward. Well, my favorite Kirk Cousins moment, other than his declaration that he would put himself in a plexiglass cube to protect himself from coronavirus instead of getting the coronavirus vaccine was when he put a video of his own gender reveal. His wife's was expecting. And his job was to throw a football and hit the target to reveal like blue or pink plume of smoke. Just to be clear, not his own gender reveal. The gender of the child. I think that's established. Yeah, the child. And he basically missed the target with the ball. And they're like, let's throw it up live anyway. Let's

put it up on the old gram. How about a retake on that? All right, Shoki. I know you, you, you, told me you're in downtown Cleveland and there's some upset people outside the window, hopefully not climbing up to the window because some crazy, unfortunate stuff went down for your hometown brownies on Sunday. Straight drop back for Kyler, steps up, lobs it, back at the end zone, wide open is Hopkins and a touchdown. Kyler stepping up again, finds DeAndre Hopkins, and that's a big score late in the third to make it 29 to 14.

Dave Pash, K-T-A-R with the call. Kyler Murray's. Is it too soon, Greg, to talk about MVP marches because it's in full swagger mode. The Cardinals quarterback threw four more touchdown passes without a pick and a 37-14 win over a, let's just call it, an outclassed and beat-up Browns team in Cleveland. Mark, watch us next to you.

You had a foreboding vibe from the start. You didn't feel good about it. And if you take out a Hail Mary, this thing was almost an embarrassment for the Browns. Yeah, I mean, but let's, you know, the Cardinals, a team that passes every test. I don't think that we understand how many challenges arise when you don't have your head coach going to the game when essentially your head coach is the only play caller you have. Apparently not that many. Well, no, I mean, that's a thing.

They completely made it look easy. And you have like Colt McCoy and Kyler Murray and a gaggle of coaches helping to call plays on the sideline. And they completely outclass Cleveland. At the point where in the middle, you know, at half time, I'm thinking, do I need to give a Super Bowl ticket to Jason Zumwalt, our voiceover friend, our friend and our Cardinals fan, our resident Cardinals fan here? Because they look like that kind of team to me right now. It kind of depends what kind of text he sent you today.

Was he nice about it afterwards? Delightful. Delightful. He's a classy guy, too. But, you know, Shook and I texted a little bit during this, too. And, you know, this reminded me of the 2019 Browns because you remove both, both tackles, right? and left tackle, not in this game. And you had Baker running for his life, and it led to two killer strip sacks. I mean, a bad interception in this game. It just reminded me of old chaotic

times where everything that we've seen and observed of are Kevin Stefansky, that structure was missing today. And the floor fell out. And you're playing a team that I think, you know, from a cardinal side, just, I mean, DeAndre Hopkins, three touchdowns, one where he was all alone in the end zone, total breakdown. They find a way to completely overwhelm defenses. And in this case, I mean, you know, you guys got a little annoyed at me because it was like five minutes into the game and I just said, this thing is over. But Browns fans understand.

And I think if you're, well, you say that every Browns game for any time they get up to a slow start. I really haven't said that in a long, long time. It was scoreless. And you said they are going to get dropped today. A lot of it. A lot of it has to do with the Cardinals and who they are. They're so aggressive.

They're so resilient. When they make a mistake, they don't care. They keep pressing. And today, I think they basically said, forget the Cleveland Browns. We're the team you need to be talking about. Yeah, I mean, Mark had great reason to feel that way because they just played an aggressive offense the week prior

and got 47 hung on them. And they were about as banged up going into this game this week. So there was no reason to feel otherwise or expect anything else. So for this to be the product, I was actually surprised. Come on, both you Browns fans. Don't act like now that you were some type of underdogs. Greg keeps, I could care less. You're in your building.

That's absurd. You're in your building. You have a great, you have a great group of playmakers. I mean, let's not say like the little old Browns had no chance in this game. They got whooped in their building and then sometimes just get beat up. Well, no, not everybody picked them because I didn't pick them. I picked the Cardinals. I don't know how they were possibly favored.

You don't have Nick Chubb going to this game. You didn't have Jarvis Landry. Yes, that's right. I will stand on this. They didn't have Jarvis Landry. They didn't have both their tackles. Their center was questionable until the game today. You know, you went into the weekend questionable.

Well, you had a number of injuries and guys kind of coming back from injury in the defensive side of the football. The Cardinals didn't have Tyler Jones or their head coach. Or Rodney Hudson, yeah. And they had Tyler Murray. And they had all of their top receivers. They had DeAndre Hopkins, Christian Kirk, AJ Green, all who victimized the Browns as expected. James Connor had probably his best day as a Cardinal today.

Everything that happened was what I expected. But I didn't expect you that the Browns would fall apart even more than they did. Baker hanging on to the ball too long, getting stripped sacked twice, re-injuring his shoulder. The interception was horrible, but I come to expect that from him every once in a while. That's just who he is. And then you have the most negative part of the game, which is losing Kareem Hunt to a non-contact calf injury, which I'm, you know, they sounded, everyone was like, oh, it's not Achilles. We're really optimistic. That's great news.

You look pretty banged up there. Optimistic feels like a stretch. Yeah. And they play Thursday. And so we have no idea what sort of shape they'll be in three and three. Bad timing for the Thursday night game. Baker, by the way, after the game is arms in a sling. And he re-agravated the injury on a hit from JJ Watt

where he kind of got driven into the ground awkwardly right on that bad left shoulder. After the game, he said, when asked about how he was feeling, he said, feels like shit. So he's pretty straightforward, but he wants to play. And Baker is a badass. He's a tough dude. But the short turnaround here makes you think that Case Keenham's in play for week seven.

Maybe. I mean, he came back and played in this game. I think it's going to be a pain management thing because the nature of those injuries, and I am no doctor, but I have suffered, and I'm not a quarterback either, but I have suffered touring labrums before. It can't really get that much worse, and it's his non-throwing shoulder.

So I think he could be able to manage it. I wasn't surprised to see him come back in the game. That's also kind of the guy he is. But you're right, the short week, I think that they've got a long road ahead of them unless they can get healthy in a relatively quick fashion, which you leave that up to medicine. It's not like you're just trying to bounce back from something.

But I do want to say this. We've had some listeners in the last couple weeks. Give us some crap. for not giving the Cardinals enough credit. So I'm going to give them their flowers. They dominated this game. I don't think this was their statement win of the year. That was the Rams win because of all the guys of the problem.

How about the Titans? They have three of the best victories that any team has had all year. All three are on the road. All three were blowouts. Week one was such a stunner. I know it's the Titans, but the Titans are a playoff team. And that was huge. They destroyed the Rams and they destroyed the Browns.

They have to be their coaching staff. to be given a lot of credit. Like this offensive line especially, which doesn't look great on paper, always protects very well and they're getting the job done. It's crazy. It helps when you're protecting Kyler Murray too.

And I think they're just playing great football right now. Now, you could say they got the benefit of, I think there were six penalties and seven plays in one drive, but that was not the course of this game. They dominated this game. And I'll feel very confident picking them going forward to matter who they're playing. They're completely legitimate.

I do wonder if you're Cliff Kingsbury or any coach where suddenly you're home on your couch and the team dominates. It's like, wait a minute. What, what, how, how, do we need you? Are you important? I mean, he is important. Just stay home.

Stay home. Stay in that, man. Well, when we missed you in London, but did you sense some of that when we were thriving in London and you were either like, do you under, do you know me at all? I spent the whole time thinking like I'm getting replaced by every other guy in the studio on every show. So this is troubling to some degree. No, we weren't the same without your life. We're working at CVS three weeks from now.

All right, Chucky, is it, are you in danger, by the way? Because unruly Cleveland fans, that, that sounds dangerous potentially. You're a big man. You could, you could fend for yourself. though. Well, okay. So you said, I hope they don't climb up through the window. I mean, I'm not penthouse here. We're low level, but we're, you got to be Spider-Man to get up here because this is a very tall building. So we're okay there. Okay. Having said that, I'm still with an earshot. And I went to go make a pot of coffee right before Sunday night football kicked off. And all I heard was people

shouting and laying on the horns to get out of the traffic jam. And one guy just goes to the corner of the street. I happen to be looking out there. He just looks up to the sky, the night's guy in Cleveland and he goes, I hate the Browns. Oh my gosh. This is good. If anything, we need to send you down there and do some on the street reporting in the future. It's like, you know,

war combat reporting. Or so how about this? Like you have a pot of hot coffee. You can throw out the window. Secondly, imagine being like a wayward Browns fan who climbs up a wall and breaks into someone's apartment and it's Nick Shook standing there. I think that would be a... Your day just got worse. And that's, you know, there's real fans in the Midwest

and in Western Ohio anywhere. in Ohio. What? I mean, Mark kind of just suggested maybe just this guy just pour some scalded coffee out of just for yelling up. If things get that ugly,

you have hot coffee at your side. I was just saying that I assume that fan was returning from the game. Sometimes you sleep on like, when you go to a game and you pay the hundreds of dollars for the ticket and the $80 for parking and then the concessions.

You get waxed. And then your team gets waxed and you're miserable for four hours in the building and then you're in traffic, you might react to. the heavens as well. It's one of the more underrated things about live sports is that it's so much worse to be there live.

Like, I ultimately am in a heartbreaking circumstance like that, you would have rather been at home. And the money's part of it, too, because you're thinking I just spent $500 to feel like I got kicked in the nuts. Conversely, if you're at a truly special live event, it's something it stays with you forever. And you can't put a price on that. All right, Chucky, we love you, baby. I will say, that's how I spent most. days of my childhood. I was fortunate enough

my family had season tickets to the Browns for many years. Right. This is not alien territory for you. A lot of sad car rides home. Oh, no talking. Dad's not talking. The boys know to be quiet. All right, there he goes. Nick Shook. Thank you, buddy. All right, let's move on.

Yes, the Cardinals are the only undefeated team in football. Through three weeks, the Raiders and Broncos were also undefeated. Things went sideways for both teams, especially in the case of the Raiders. But things took a turn for the better. on sunday car takes a snap lobs it down toward caught by edwards he's free 35 30 25 25 pushed out of bounds at the 20 yard line Edwards broke free and derrick car lobbed it to him down the

near sideline that was the play of the game brian edwards down the sideline in the fourth quarter beautifully thrown ball by derrick car the third down conversion salted away really big victory for the Raiders who go to mile high and lay a 34-24 win, a hand to 34-24 loss, I should say, to their rivals in a game, Greg, that obviously with the background, John Gruden's stunning resignation and the taking over, the special teams coach takes over and you wonder which way this is going to go? Well, it went the Raiders way in a big way on Sunday. The fighting Basacias, watch out. I mean, they looked like a team.

It felt a little free, you know. Oh, here we go. This is, this, this is Greg's story. I'm just having a little fun with it. Hey, you get rid of this guy who was the domineering personality. Oh, here you go. And you come out for this first week and you play free, you play aggressive. What about when they were three and oh was his domineering attitude of problem then?

They didn't play a game this good. They didn't play a game this complete. I'm not saying, don't make me defend John Gruden in 2021. I'm not saying he's a problem or a solution. All I'm saying is they showed up and they played excellent football on both sides of the ball. Derek Carr has been great all season. And I do think part of this was a matchup advantage for the Raiders. They probably would have won this game anyways because I think their biggest problem right now is their offensive line.

And the Broncos just don't have a pass rush. They could not hurt the Raiders' biggest weakness, which is up front. and if you give Derek Carr a little bit of time, he's going to spend some magic. He only threw 27 passes to get to 3.41. He has been awesome this year, and his receivers, Rugs, Edwards, Waller, even Drake made a great play.

The running back all made great catches on some really pretty throws and just goes to the show, like, you can have a great secondary, and I think the Broncos have a very good secondary. It's not going to matter unless you get some pressure up front. And on the flip side, like the Raiders destroyed Teddy Bridgewater.

Like, he was shook by the end of this game. They hit him early, often, almost every time he went back. And that Raiders pass rush we saw in week one was all the way back. Max Crosby played about as well as you can play a game today. And they took it to him. There was some garbage time sprinkling on here. But the Raiders could have won this game by even more. The Teddy interceptions were these, you know, on him or not?

There were three of them. One was, you know, with 12 seconds left. One was terrible. Really, the first two were, yeah, were absolutely on him. One was kind of a, you just threw it up at a certain point in the game where you almost felt like the decision was justified because they weren't doing anything. And he throws up a jump ball and gets picked off.

The first one was on a fourth down bad throw. He didn't play great. They had penalties in key spots. They had drops in key spots. But I felt like at least the way these two teams were constituted today, they could have played this game 10 times, and it wouldn't have mattered. Every phase of the Raiders was superior to what the Broncos put out there. Teddy also missed what should be a layup touchdown to Cortland Sutton.

That was a big play in this game. Down the left sideline. He was wide open. He had his defender beat by four steps, and he overshot him. But there's no need to pile on Teddy Bridgewater, but I think we all know. It was probably his worst game, though. I will see. I mean, yeah, his stats don't really tell the story because he did end up going over 300 with three

touchdowns. But he was, you know, he's just, he's Teddy Bridgewater. And that's just who he is. And if he doesn't have the right setup around him, it's not going to happen for the Broncos. And for the Broncos, the whole idea, Greg, and I know injuries have played a role with this team as well. The whole idea was that the defense was going to be nasty. And Von Miller, you know, this is a disappearing act for Von Miller in this game, not to put all the loss on anyone player, not Teddy, not Bond. But when you need somebody to make a big play and you're talking about where is the Broncos pass rush, well, Von Miller is a guy that you need to step up in a game like this. and he was not a big presence.

That's absolutely right. And I think he's played pretty well for the most part this year. But when you only have one pass rusher, it just makes it easier to stop that one pass rusher. They're very injured at the second level, too. Their linebackers are getting smoked. They're getting pushed around. The Raiders could even run the ball a little bit.

The play calling, I thought was good from Greg Olson. It's a new play caller. And some big-time Raiders, you know, backers who watch this were noticing some different very, variations to what they were doing, creativity, some plays down the field, but it's also just the players. Ruggs is turning into a really good player,

Carr's having the best season in my mind of his career so far. I love seeing this for the Raiders, looking at the long receptions. Ruggs 48, Edwards, 51. They have a 33-yard or a 31-yarder, 25, 29. I mean, just go be that offense. Just go throw the ball down the field. And, you know, throw caution to the win.

Basatia, it's the Basatia era. I'm not into it the way. you are, Greg? I mean, we heard. I just have having fun because Dan, like, is annoyed that I think that I was. It's on my radar a little bit. I gave Spice Rack some love on the show. It's on my radar.

Spice Rack basically had had an idea to fade, you know, to go against the racial controversy a week ago. Desert wise, yes. And it worked. And then this week, he felt just as strong that the Raiders are going to walk in this game because they're all, because his big theory, when you get the interim coach, you get one great game like this. And to be fair. That was spot on. That was great. It was right.

And Andrew Hawkins, a former player who's been around some fired bad coaches, he said the exact same thing. He said that first game, you're so excited. He picked the Raiders because of it, too. It seems silly, but I don't know. And the differences, too, is that typically the interim coach comes in to take an absolute disaster, a ship sinking, you know, for four or five weeks. This is a better team and a better ride.

It's an okay team. So that's the point I wanted to make because, and I don't want this to get painted as, like, Dan's defending John Gruden because no one's defending John Gruden right now. But I thought there was. You don't think he should have been fired. You could paint it that way. It's just email.

No, they obviously he got he got his just desserts if that's the right way to put it. He deserves everything that happened to him. But some of the recency bias in the analysis immediately firing following the resignation was like John Gruden was a terrible coach and a terrible team builder and this team is bad. and it was bad when he got here and bad when he left. Well, yeah, because they had lost back-to-back games

to the Chargers and Bears. But this is also a team that won three games to start the season. Now we get another big performance. All I'm saying is that, first of all, I'm team Basacci.

I'm on the Bascei Army as well. Sure, of course. No one's questioning that. I'm front lines on that. But it wasn't like when Gruden left that this Raiders team was in total disarray. There are pieces in place here

for this team to continue on a trajectory toward the playoffs. And it's not over just because Gruden's gone. I agree. And I think, I think, look, Gruden's been there four years. He's way under 500 in those four years.

But I think this is the best Raiders team he's had. That's all I'm kind of saying. Because it's not just you. There's a lot of the analysis. It's the defense for me. Because I think their defensive line is a thing. And they've never had anything on defense. And it really is a thing.

My point is, yeah, that after the firing was like, Gruden was a terrible hire. And look where the Raiders are now. It's like, all right, if you only paid attention to football in the last 14 days, you would say the Raiders are. a total mess right now, but this team has a chance to do something still this season. I thought this performance wakes everyone up to that, that the Raiders aren't dead, even if John Gruden's career is.

And that Broncos 3-0 start that Shook mentioned, they beat the Giants, the Jaguars, and the Jets. They beat them so convincing. That's fine, but this is, well, no, they never scored more than 27 points in any of those games. My favorite story during the broadcast, I don't know if they were talking about Teddy or was this tight-and-souber about how he does not have TV at home, so he didn't know Gruden had been fired until the whole next day. I was like, well, he doesn't have internet either. He's never watched TV.

He's like, he's there all day. And then he gets home and he just, that's it. I was like, okay. I think this is something you said as well, Greg, when I was pushing back on the Broncos, as I often do as Broncos fans get mad about that. And I was talking about their schedule and you're like, well, good teams beat up on bad teams.

That's what good teams do. No, actually good teams beat good teams. And they win those games. Beating bad teams is, okay, whatever. you've got to beat some good teams, and we have not seen Denver do that yet this season. Their strengths, aren't their strengths? A lot of it is injuries, you know, losing six or seven starters,

they were not a team that could deal with that. But some of their strengths in the secondary, we thought they were going to be great. That feels a little overrated right now, and certainly the depth of their skill positions have been diminished to a point where, you know, the Browns have to be very excited that the Broncos are the team they're playing on Thursday.

We'll get to previewing that game. But the Broncos could be equally excited. Right. I just mean that that could be a get-right game. For one of those teams, it absolutely will be. All right, let's take a break, and then we will continue on. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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They've got fourth and one from the Giants three. From a bunch to the right, here comes Robert Wood. They fake the hand off his way. Roll right, pro right, to the pile on Cooper Cup. He's got it. Touchdown, L.A. J.B. along with the call for KSPN. You know, Maurice Jones, true, MJD, our buddy, who's in London.

He was still in London this week. So what is? He tells the Rams, I'll see you in a couple weeks. and J.B. just sits in that booth by himself, like Vince Scully? We'll have to do some digging on this one. MJD's got a good setup. It's a great move by MGD. Matthew Stafford threw three of his four touchdown passes

in a 28-point second quarter for the Rams, including that connection to Cooper Cup, who continues to be otherworldly this season. The Rams cruised to a 38-11 win over the season at the Meadowlands mark. Sounds like this one went the way everyone pretty much expected. Healthy, good team beats up on injury decimated. it bad.

Precisely, a total butt wamping. The kind of game where, you know, recovering these things. Did you write down but wamping? Total butt wamping is how I describe the game to myself. It was a tough watch. He did write it. That's how I felt.

Is wamping W-H-O-M-P? W-H-O-M-G? And it's highlighted. And he also, could I say, he also wrote, traveled 3,000 miles to drop a dirty bomb on the G-M. I love this. It's constant.

We're always talking about these. Now, the Chargers are an example. You West Coast team that goes east, it's these stats that they're sleeping through it. The Rams said forget that narrative. Have you seen how these guys fly to games now? It's not 1974 anymore. They're not taking the plane with the propellers on the side. No, you're not bagging steerage with like pets and bags.

If they can ask Trent Green to overcome jet lag to announce a game, I think the Rams will be fine traveling like four hours in a private plane. It's very true. I mean, the jet lag team, look to be the Giants. And this was, you know, Daniel Jones had two turnovers coming into this game. And there were a lot of reasons to look at Daniel Jones and say, maybe he's finally rounding into shape. Today was a disaster. Strip sacked, picked, both led, you know, four turnovers led to 21 points for the Rams.

And Stafford, whose finger was hurt two Thursdays ago, looked clean, throwing the ball. And you mentioned Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup, this is from Rams PR in the last 35 years, here are the list of players with 600 yards receiving and seven touch down through week six. Oh, dang. Cooper Cup in 2021, and in 2007, Randy Moss. That's the list. Listen, that is such an interesting stat because we all love Cooper Cup.

He's been a impact player for them since he came into the league. I think he was a second round pick. But the fact that he's taking his game, and he had a reconstructive knee surgery in the mix here as well, he's taking his game to this level. I don't think anybody saw this coming, like that he's like at a, like a rich man's Adam Thielen level, not. to go apples to apples in terms of the way he looks. Someone called him Steve Smith,

and ever since that I've been watching him as if he's Steve Smith. He's a little bigger than Steve Smith. Then I'm like, I can see that. That's interesting. Peek Steve Smith. I got to give Daniel Jiamai, my crap. I mean, he kind of was in on this cup thing, like before the draft, even. He said he's going to.

He's doing his job. If he was correct, that's what his job is. They are five and one. The top of the NFC is like really good. I mean, that's a very basic comment. but like Cowboys, Packers, Bucks, Cardinals, Rams are all five and one or better. And they all have to feel like, well, we could win the Super Bowl this year. Of course they all feel like that.

And they've all, it's going to be a big, you know, tough race, especially in that division. One of those teams is going to have to play three road games between the Cardinals and Rams at this point. It feels like a two-team race. I will tell you, you know, Dan, we grew up watching these G-Men back in the day. And there wasn't a lot of this back in the 80s and early 90s, but you could all. audibly hear the Giants fans having a bad time at this game. It was rough. We do have a little bit of breaking news, though.

Oh, wow. Really putting graver in that. Graver is like, graver is working overtime. Just want to let you know, 38 to 11, the final score is a scorerami. It is the 1,067th or unique final score in NFL history. I know that that categorizes breaking news on this show, I'm assuming. The only thing I hate more than Skorigami is win probability. What is, why do you, what is the problem with it?

Or unnecessary use of breaking news. It's a nice tip of it. Well, you specialize in that from what I recall. It's not breaking news. You got the news hours ago. Well, you didn't know that. You didn't know that news. I did because for some reason, Ely.

Well, also because you just spent three minutes looking at my screen. You know, I, exactly. I've been living out here in Los Angeles for 11 years now, but I'm always in my heart. I'm a New Yorker. And it's been a tough, tough. ride for New York sports for the past decade or so. And Giants fans, you know, you turn to football as something to fall back on after the baseball season turns flat.

And then the Giants are dead and buried by the middle of October. And that's exactly where they are. There's no coming back for the Giants from this. So now it's Knicks season. And the Knicks are undefeated in the preseason. And maybe that turns out better. Maybe you get excited that the NFC wild card, like the seven spot. The New York City ballet is thriving.

It's scary as Tony was the one reason to be excited about this team and he goes out with an injury early in this game and that just feels so typical. And he had three catches for like 36 yards in the first couple minutes then he was out. All right, we can't make you wait any longer and we thank you fans for your patience. Here is the Texans cults analysis.

First and 10 wins outside zone and big hole, Taylor, 25, 30 down the far side line. Tiptoeing. the 50 he's at the 40 catchback now he's at the 30 the 20 the 10 and he's finally dragged down inside the 10 he'll be dropped at the four-yard line what a run jonathan taylor the biggest gallop all day first and goal for the colts i was tasting those curly fries wow i don't know i don't want the context now put that in the in the balls for best cause of the year just the curly flies alone That was Rick Venturi, I think, with the curly-fried comment with Matt Taylor, WFNI. Oh, yeah, Jonathan Taylor, he's on a roll now.

The running back set up a touchdown with that 83-yard burst. He scored two more touchdowns of his own, and he 3-3 romp by the Colts over the Texans. Carson Wentz also threw two touchdowns for Indy, who bounced back beautifully from the savagery of their Monday night meltdown to the Ravens six days earlier. Greg, life in the AFC South is good in how it provides these. soft landings in this game. That's true. By the Tuesday, the Colts could be only one game back of the Titans if the Bills can win that Monday nighter.

And I like that we saw with the Colts, a little bit of identity here, which we have not seen, which was explosive plays. Paris Campbell catches a 51-yard touchdown on a really nice throw by Wednesday. Then Paris Campbell goes out with an injury, so you kind of got the ultimate Paris Campbell performance. But you also got 52 yards on a catch from T.Y. Hilton, who was playing his first game of the year. And you had that explosive.

of Taylor play, and you had some explosive defensive plays. It didn't feel like this game was 31 to 3. They were very even in yardage. The Texans actually had more first downs, but the Colts were in control, and their defense has really shown up. I know they didn't finish out that Ravens game, but they've really shown up the last, what, seven, for the most part, the last three games when they didn't at all

in the first month of the season, and that gives them some hope that at least we can crawl back and Carson Wentz. keeps getting better every week, really. I was going to ask, why does Jonathan Taylor, who's playing the way he is, have only 14 carries me at 145 yards on that? Because he was like six for eight before that 83 yard in the third quarter. They were not running the ball very well until that play.

And the Wentz had 20 attempts. They had 48 offensive plays. That's less than the Patriots did in that abnormal game. It was a very strange game. But Davis Mills, I look at the New England game now, and I'm wondering, was that just totally, I mean, obviously that he's got a lot to work on, but that seems like it stands out as a total aberration

because he came crashing back to Earth. More or less. He made a couple throws on the move that you didn't hate, but ultimately they scored three points against the Colts. I mean, he's a tough cop in general because not only is he not like a premium draft pick quarterback, he's also playing on like one of the most talent poor roster. Right.

They actually put up 350 yards. They go 9 to 17 on. He made a couple plays, but it's. I know you're looking at Barry Davis Mills, Mark. Your analysis on Thursday pointed to that. No, no, no. I mean, what I wrote last week for our. website was completely opposite. I mean, he does have Brandon Cooks, who is quietly having

pretty awesome season. They do keep score, though, and it was 31 to three at the end of the game. So that doesn't reflect too well. It doesn't reflect too well on the quarterback that I think in three of four games they've been in single digits. So that's problematic. By the way, the quarterback that used to be their quarterback, Deshaun Watson, who's still on the team, some of these teams that have been connected to Deshaun Watson are not having great seasons with their respective quarterbacks. That continues to kind of lurk on the periphery. Houston has lost five straight overall. Six of their last seven against the Colts. That is that. Let's move on to Detroit where the Bengals look to build some momentum. Receiver goes in jet motion. Burrow rolls to the

right open. He throws, it's caught. Nixon streaking down the sideline to the 20. That's a block from Chase and runs it into the end zone. What a call. What a block. Touchdown. Cincinnati. Oh, they having fun now, Dan Hort and Dave Lapham, W-C-K-Y. Joe Burrow tied a career high with three touchdown passes. Leading the Bengals to an easy 34-11 win over the still winless Detroit Lions at Ford Field. Greg, the Bengals have already equalled last year's win total. You're drinking that orange juice?

Yes, because of the defense. Because they're orange, their color. I get it. It's good. That's well done. That was good. They have a lot of juice. Juice was the right word.

Yes. There is something. And this is why maybe you don't invest in defense because it's so unpredictable. But there is something indefinable when a defense has juice. It's just like hustle and energy week after week, whether you're winning, whether you're losing. This Bengals defense has juice. And they squeeze the life out of this line. I didn't think I was going to get this amount of run.

It's true, though. set up. I love it. It really is true. And they've had it all six weeks. And that keeps them in tough games. And it helps them win a game like this easy where the offense took a while to get going. But you know what? Eventually it did get going and you blew him out. I mean, the Bengals defensive coordinator is, you know, absorbed probably 25 to 30 poison arrows from this show in the past. We love a Louanarumo. We love a Louanerumo. Captain Lou. Way to stick with them. You know, the easy thing would have been to just fire him with us. Sure. When he was not.

What about Zach Taylor? You want to talk about the guys taking some slings of arrows on this podcast? I'm not ready to give him too much credit. Well, I think it's like when someone is not doing their job for three or four years in a row, you stick with them. That's the lesson here. Three or four is what are you trying to say. I'm just saying there are people out there doing that. This is year three for Zach Taylor, I believe.

Yeah. And they won one or two games this first year. They won four games last year. So we talked about it. He was on the hot seat. They needed to show something. I don't know, man. Again, sometimes I feel like when we talk about it.

head coaches. If we decide we like them, we give them credit. And if we decide we don't really like them, we give credit to their coordinators. Their players are good. Let's give Joe Burrow credit and Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon. I'm just saying it's just, you know, pick and choose which coaches are doing a good job. Sometimes that's on my radar in this room. Well, we were wrong about Zach Taylor. You can evaluate things. If you're going to kill Zach Taylor for the team making no progress in the first two years, when the team makes progress, you know, it's maybe not fair to Zach Taylor to not give him credit. I kind of, I still watch their offense. And I, I, I, I do want more.

I think they can be better. I kind of think they will be better. And this game was a good, like, example of it. They really were held in check for much of it until that mixing screen pass where it was a blown coverage. But then Jemar Chase had one of the defining plays of his rookie season with an awesome block running down the field and Mixin's going crazy. And he's just, like, pointing to like, that's Jamar's touchdown.

That's Jamar's touchdown. And then Jemar does the Jemar Chase thing where he gets a 53 yard catch too in the game. he gets it's just week after week he does something special that that really makes you think they have something really good here they're a fun story this year you wish that that kicked in and hit the upright last week because then the bengals will be flying high at five and one but four and two puts them in second place in the aFC north and i think that's one of the biggest surprises of the young season one last note on the lions yes the NFL's only winless team now because we'll talk about the jaguars later they've now lost 10 straight going back to last season that is now the league longest act of losing streak. And Dan Campbell, who's relentlessly positive, loves his guys, believes in his team. He couldn't help but be a little bit critical of Jared Goff after the game. Let's just listen in on that. Yeah, look, I think, I will say this, I still don't feel like, I don't feel like we can

accurately judge him one way or another. I don't feel that way yet. Now, I will say this. choose those words carefully here's the real feeling I feel like he needs to step up more than he has and I think he needs to help us you know just like everybody else

and let me check this depth I think he's got a he's going to need to put a little bit of weight on his shoulders here and it's time to step up make some throws and do some things well the pause was devastating that's it but he needs help I thought that the grave is he still talking

I thought the Grave-Digger had just hit pause for effect there, which would have been a classic Grave-Digger move. Get that Grave-digger drop in there. You've got to build a brand graver. You're right. I'm giving you a brand on a plate. Take it. You're talking to a brand coach here.

I can promise you that. But I look, and this is good news for you, Mark, because you know who's number two on the step chart. Well, you don't. The president of the Blowhardt Association. What do you mean? I don't. I do.

Oh, you kind of were giving me a blank look when I was trying to set you up there. I mean, I'm running the fan club into year. I mean, year three or four of the fan club here. That's what I'm saying. I set you up. I thought you were going to take it and run there. Tough days for the blal.

Here's the thing. Goff is 0.13 with every coach not named Sean McVeigh. He's played pretty well this year. He's been fine, but the line. Today was not. Today was not. He did not play well. Well, they had 61 yards in the first half.

And the reason they did is because of all of them. It's not just Jared Goff. I mean, he's been a little spicier than expected in some week. juice that the Bengals have. But he missed some open throats. I'm a little surprised, though, because he measured those thoughts as much as I've ever heard

a coach measure a thought before saying it. But he's not, there's no phony, I like that he's not just dropping phony lines because that was real, raw emotions.

I mean, is Jared Goff like a Dan Campbell type of guy, ultimately. Is he a kneecap biter? Is Dan Campbell ultimately feeling like he wants to go to where with Jared Gap? For one year.

People acting like with a screwing Rudin controversy. Oh, we're stunned to learn that the NFL is so chummy behind the scenes. All these guys know each other all across the league. What are you talking? Wait, what are you talking about specifically here? What do you mean? The chummy part.

Chummy that, well, I don't mean chumminess like the way Gruden was being chummy on email. But just they all know each other. And they're all, when you see these guys at League of Venturek, oh, I didn't know those guys knew each other. I'm not saying that Dan Campbell knows Sean McVeigh, but I'm not saying there's not a possibility that Dan Campbell sent Sean McVey text. then I like, oh, this guy sucks. Well, or that their GM came from the Rams. I mean, like, yeah, they all knew who golf was. All right.

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Bying time, takes it himself. He's to the five and the end zone for the touchdown. Aaron Rogers just inside the Pelon. And the Packers lead it, 23 to 14. Wayne Larravee with the call, WTMJ. Aaron Rogers threw for two touchdowns, and ran for another score. We'll get to that in one second.

He led the way for the Packers. And a 24-14 win over the Bears. The Packers have now won five straight after that week one setback against the Saints in Jacksonville, which feels like it was a million years ago. And as for Aaron Rogers, it was more mastery over the Bears. The Packers beat them for the 20th time in 23 games, counting the playoffs. They improved to 22 and 5 with Rogers as a starter against Chicago.

And after that clinching score that we just played, Rogers was very vocal with the fans at Soldier Field and Gravedigger. I believe we have that. I still own you right on two Jones I still own you I still own you to the bears Mark

I know you're very you're not a big Aaron Rogers guy where did you come down on this latest well it's I mean you know it's factual so I'll like let's give him that but he spent you know days before this game

waxing poetic about how much Chicago meant to him how he spent days in the past there was a night he walked down the Chicago streets and met a mother and the son and took photos with them and walked for blocks and the son tweeted the photo his photo is Aaron Rogers

so you know that child's thinking I'd love Chicago if I was Aaron Rogers so many great memories but I mean if you're that child you're thinking what's happened here I mean this guy now has just told my city to go take a dirt nap I mean that's sports I love that I love it maybe he even knows it might be his last time there as a member of the Packers.

It has to be sweet. He was going up against a great defense or very good defense at least. Yeah, this was a nice performance by the Packers. The Bears, you know, we talked about it. Their defense has gotten better and better. It's been solid this season. And Green Bay wasn't just going to walk over them. And they didn't.

This was a battle. And Justin Fields, unfortunately, for the Bears, was not able to really get anything going in this game. at, I believe early in the fourth quarter, he was at 99 yards passing. And that's going to continue to be an issue for Chicago. The offense is an inability to put together drives and keep up with the team that has a big offense because what happened in this game was Chicago's D was game. They battled back and forth. But you can only do that for so long before a good offense gets a better of you. And that's eventually what happened. And that's the Rogers

scramble that effectively ended this game. Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon, you know, there were years under Rogers where they didn't really have a good run game. And this is right now with Kareem Hunt out of the mix in Cleveland is I would say the second best running back tandem in the league other than maybe Zeke and Pollard. Or you could argue these two

are. Dillon's good. Another Goudicund's pick that everyone hammered. And he adds something to their team. I've been focused on kind of what the Packers don't have, but what they do have, you're right. They have a good running game and they have a defense that's ultimately gotten a little better throughout

the course of the season and they have some potential to get better and get some more players back. So maybe they don't need to be a lights out offense. It feels like a slightly underwhelming five and one, but it's five and one. And it should be said that the bear has made this a game. This is, you know, Rogers, that touchdown scramble came after Justin Fields connected with Darnel Mooney on a five-yard touchdown pass. Cut the lead to three with eight and a half minutes to play. But as you see, it happened with Tampa Bay on Thursday night. These teams that are just a cut above even if you get close to them even Dallas today Dallas today they will say okay that's cute we're pawing with you a little bit we're going to go finish this thing off and that's

what they did I mean you know again this show is so heavily based on uh self branding self promotion hit it that's just another lock I think I was trying to make I was trying to make a football analysis point and I see like Mark really edgy in the corner of my eye like looking and pointing at grave digger this all that's like I'm like what maybe Maybe he's got some breaking news here. Maybe he's got something hot to add. This is breaking news. 40% of the show.

I mean, you were 40% of the show self-proliction. We spent four minutes discussing Dan's lock at the top of the show. I didn't even mention my lot. I got a lock one too. I didn't even mention it. I know, but Dan and I are tied at top of the standing. It's trenchant. I'm trying to bury.

I'm trying to bury the locks. I should have reminded Dan, Greg Lock the Chiefs. So. A lesser achievement. Yeah. very brave all right any other thoughts on this game anybody uh kind of what you expected from this ball game so let's move on i still own you that's it's pretty hardcore it's great it's pretty hardcore i like it i would love to yell that at a crowd of fans how great would that feel i own you and here you go

a 53 yarder he kicked a 54 yard or a minute ago can matthew wright win the game for the jaguar that was Brilliant. Cook puts it down. Right kicks it up. The 53-yarder is good, good, good. Right and made it. The Jaguars have won it on a 53-yard field goal by Matthew Wright. What a magnificent ending in London. Holy cow. Wow. 399 days ago was the last Jaguars win. Oh, yeah, that calls for the bongos. WOKV, great call from Frank Frangy, Jeff Woggin, the old pass rushing specialist for gangrene, Tony Vaselli in that booth as well, maybe. Anyway, Matthew writes 53-yard field goals, time expired, gave the London. Jacksonville, Jaguars,

23-20 victory over the Dolphins at the Big Totty Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. Wright playing just this third game for the Jags, also drilled a clutch 54-yard and to tie the game at 20 with less than four minutes to play. And it is a game win mark for the Jaguars that snaps a 20-game losing streak. While at the same time, I think it sinks the Brian Flores era in Miami to its lowest. point. Yeah, I mean, outside of Washington, they're the most disappointing team in the league. I would not have been surprised if someone told me back in August, they'd be five and one. One in five, the floor has fallen out to some degree.

I know, listen, Tua had a good game. And this was what, I actually forgot about the London game last night. And it woke up midway through the second quarter of this, which is an unpleasant way to start your work day to find out you're already behind. But Tua, everyone was going nuts over to a start. but I thought it was a really good day for Trevor Lawrence who maybe outside of that Bengals game this was his finest showing

and you could kind of see it with their offense at times that you know who knows what's going to happen with the whole Urban Meyer thing I found Urban Meyer slightly annoying celebrating this game at the end I don't know what it is I do in general but why the celebration it could be entirely unfair it's just the body language

a little too much self-satisfaction for a guy that was 0 and 5 with a disgraceful offer You created a tornado of issues. That's like, hey, I'm getting on the plane home. I wasn't totally sure if I was going to get to go on the plane home. Just get on the plane that your team's on. Let's start there. That's a good point.

Step at a time. I meant more, yes, Shotcon might not let me get on the plane. But wow. It's happened in the past. Coaches do get fired coming off the London game. But even this quote after the game and referring to the kicker, again, who saved your butt, Matthew Wright. Urban Meyer said, I don't think anybody on our team ever heard him. speak until about 10 minutes ago.

I don't know. Something about this guy. It rubs me the wrong way. She has some respect to that guy. Urban Meyer was going to overtime. The game was going to overtime until Brian Flores capped. And I don't say this lightly. One of the all-time worst stretches of game management I have ever seen from a head coach.

There were an incredible amount of mistakes. But that last one was that he took the time out to make them theoretically punt the ball to him on fourth down with eight seconds to go. Instead, they could have just run a Hail Mary, so you're giving them a free Hail Mary because it would have taken that long. But instead, the Jaguar smartly, I'm sorry, it was five seconds left. The Jaguar Smartly ran a play where they got a first down in only four seconds and then kicked the field goal, which was creative and it was great execution. The players deserve a ton of credit for that. But I'm not sure what Flores was expecting there.

I guess he thought they would punt it, but that didn't make sense with five seconds. And for that to happen after he didn't take a timeout on third and 20, when there was about 51 seconds left, showing no faith into or his defense in that moment, after he had already challenged two plays in a row that he had very little chance of winning and lost both timeouts,

which put them in a bad spot after they played so conservative on offense, the last couple drives to set up that Jaguars, it was a rough, rough couple of minutes for Brian. I'd like to know how many times in a season a coach loses two challenges and a half because, you know, this isn't 1938. How about in two plays? Well, right, there are people in your ear saying,

no, no, no, we don't do this. Like, don't challenge this. To lose two is not good. So, yes, the Dolphins obviously taken on a lot of water and here's what Flores had to say after the game. You know, that's, starts with me. I'm not doing a good enough job of getting these guys ready to play. I'm not playing consistently enough. So we're not coaching well enough and when I'm not playing well

enough. A big part, I don't want to say big part because I don't want to take away from what the Patriots did over those 20 years. But a part of it, the success was the constant cycling of these AFC East teams from one coach to the other, one quarterback to the other, dolphins, jets, spills, and never finding any type of momentum. And now Dolphins fans are asking themselves again, where are we at right now? Do we still think we have the right guy at coach? Do we still think we have the right quarterback? I'm not saying they don't because it's just, it's a bad start to a season.

There's time to write the ship still. But I mean, the fact that we're even having this conversation tells you how off the tracks is down. I think they are a dark horse. And I know that we don't bring this up, but Deshaun Watson sits out there as a trade deadline possibility for them. I just still think that. Their owner has shown he's capable of surprising you in many ways with that possibly. Who knows?

I'm sure Flores isn't feeling too good. I'm more concerned about their team building, but Flores has a huge hand in that. Him and Chris Greer have cycled through so many different players over the last couple of years. And these picks haven't quite hit. It is worth pointing out they were missing, you know, three of their top four wide receivers today and their two cornerbacks, Xavier and Howard and Byron Jones were just supposed to be the identity of this team.

I know. I'm just pointing out, like, a lot of their best players. weren't on the field today, but they lack, you know, they lack anything that they do well. You know, they really are struggling in terms of their third down. Even, they dominated you, what you miss, what you slept through was perfect Miami-Tolphins football. I was totally a sudden. They dominated, and they should have been up by way more than 13-3, and they, again, they got into a shell before the end of the first half. They could have easily been up in this game, something like 28 to 3, and it just wasn't happened.

It's a disturbing backslide because everything. I can't believe they lost to be the reality. I can't believe. Talked about this in August and leading into the season early September. This Watson Dolphins, this forbidden dance that hypothetically could be going on right now,

when it was early September, it was like, they're not going to do that. But I remember saying, like, if it's October, if they're one in four, one and five, if two hasn't established himself or whatever, like, it's right there now.

The trade deadline is November 1st. Keep an eye on this because you know that, that owner, Stephen Ross is impatient and probably super hyper annoyed and thinking I need to hit a major reboot on this franchise will he do that?

Anything could happen. I'm also, it was it a bad move for me to even verbalize that I was asleep during the part of any NFL? I don't think it's fine. It's fine for me. It's like we'll bring it up two to three more times. No, no.

You did miss one of the most fun moments of the weekend, which was a Dolphins fan, ran onto the field and almost kicked the kickoff. And weirdly in, Weirdly in the UK, for some reason, like, no one tackled them. No, everyone was cool. A player literally, like, low-fived him on the Jaguars. It almost was like he almost got the kickoff off.

It was a bit usually blocked that from television view. Well, that's a uniquely American thing, perhaps. I don't know. But I always found it, although I've been in a stadium where this has happened as well, when the security guards get to the guy and they just, like, concuss him and pile drive him into the dirt face first at 18 miles per hour, running speed. Everyone's like, yeah.

And it's like, does that really fit in about the guy? He's just a drunk guy. But this guy just was standing there around the players. There's another view of it from a fan who was in the crowd for a solid 30 seconds. And he's like talking to the players. He's talking with the official. It's very strange. If nothing else, this game was, it was not a good game.

And these weren't good teams. But at least the London fans got kind of a fun crazy ending. So we had, we had reports that they were that many of the London fans were nonplussed, but not sorry, some. Some, a portion of the... When we're getting tweets, but they're, you know, were they throwing... There was some beers being thrown, but on balance, I think it was another successful international series.

I'm just saying, like, when you run onto the field, you could typically say, because everybody's like, hey, man, these guys are a threat to the players, and you've got to enforce to make sure that you don't get... Most of these guys just bombed fat guys with their shirts off, waving their arms around. Do we really need to try to kill them? Right, the Jaggars guy...

I want to know the Jaguars player who came over and, like, dapped them up. was like, oh, man, good try, man. We don't condone this activities and let the bosses any shadowy league figures that are listening. We don't condone fans running on the field, but perhaps we just shepherd them off the field into the

little jail cell under the stadium. The beating is unnecessary. That's my take care. It's a good PSA right there. It wasn't expected. Let's move on. Oh, Sunday night. Maybe the last time your offense

seized the ball. Gino Smith will drop deep, he'll pump, he'll take it, lost the football, knocked out by one, recovered by Devin Bush, who circles the right way. He almost lost the ball, but he's got it at the 16. And the Smith fumble forced by the defensive star, T.J. Watt. Ah, Mike Tarrico, with the call, Gino. Oh, Gino. Oh, Greggie.

Gina Smith's fumble in overtime recovered by Devin Bush T.J. Watt making the big plays. He does every single week. Chris Boswell kicks the field goal. A couple plays later. Final 23. Steelers. Seahawks 20 in O.T. Pittsburgh gets back to three and three. Seattle Seahawks without Russell Wilson for the first time fall to two and four. Greggy. Listen, Gino, he did some things. He did some things. That was a conservative game plan by Shane Waldron and the Seahawks. But they came back. They had fallen behind.

They pushed it to overtime. But that Gino mistake, it's always haunted him his whole career. It happened again. You seem to enjoy it a little too much, you know? It's fun. You were just like saying, this is the worst game of the year, and I don't like football anywhere. I want to go home.

And then I don't. Some of those lines are. And then that was the general idea. That was not a good game. And then Gino fumbles it. And then it's like, Dan's like, yeah, yeah. Do you know why I celebrated like that? Because you love Gino so much.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it wasn't a Zach Wilson like performance, but it was, it was okay. Don't hit out. It was okay. Don't hit out. If Zach Wilson went six and a half yards per attempt. We know the script. Got a couple touchdown comeback.

The if insert jet did this, you'd be happy. trope is strong with you Greg but go on Gino blew the game the table's yours it was very conservative they ran the ball well that came from behind his problem has always been taking sacks and he did and they didn't trust

their protection to hold up I think that's why they were so conservative and it makes sense Alex Highsmith and T.J. Watt went wild I mean the box scores insane for High Smith and Watt considering how few times they had real dropbacks their offensive line got drilled

there, but I thought we were headed towards a tie. That's what Mark was rooting for. Because it didn't seem like Ben Rathusberger was going to do anything either. He had 5.7 yards per attempt on 40 throws. Like, he did less than, Gina. I mean, the Seahawks in that first half, you never would have predicted that it would have wound up in overtime to begin with. They had 65 total yards, five punts.

They're playing around their quarterback. They came out in the second half and ran the ball really well for two straight touchdown drives. And, you know, you're looking at two essentially defined. funct offenses. I mean, Big Ben, you know, did a little big Jen thing for a bit there, but then he, you know, I don't trust the. What does that mean? I thought that he. Why can a big person named Jen be successful? Well, I didn't say what he did. Maybe, maybe they won the game. So maybe. I mean, he fumbled the ball, just like dropped it. That was bad.

Well, how about this? I, you know, welcome to 2021, Mark. Another ex-Jet, um, Jamal Adams, you know, has the ball ricochet off his head. Would have, that would have been a huge interception for them. And, you know, That looked like Ben Rathusberger said, I'm sick of everyone saying I don't have a strong arm anymore. I'm going to try to throw the ball as hard as I can on one of the biggest plays of the game right off Jamal Adams' head, 15 yards away from me. And he did it. By the way, he could have given Jamal a light shovel pass and it would have clanked off Jamal's helmet. He has no ball skills at all. Now, I'm not salty.

I'm fine. Everything's good. The thing about this is it's been a long day of football. And the game started at 6.30 in the morning. Not for me, but in London. And when you get to the Sunday night game and it's just trudging along and it's a Gino Smith-led Seahawks against late period Ben Rolversberg Steelers, there's just, it's hard to squeeze the juice out of this game, Greg.

And the fact that it got to- It was as competitive and close and comeback and big plays as you could possibly want, but it feels like these two teams aren't going anywhere to your point. You said as many big plays as you could possibly want. I'm saying in a game like this in terms of like a comeback and there were like meaningful moments in the fourth quarter. I mean, it was a drag. Darryl Taylor who's been such a great story getting stretchered off and stopping the game late for so long. Like that put a damper on it.

Like I'm not saying it was great football. I'm just saying it was like 10. Michelle DeFoya did mention the Taylor because, I mean, when he left the field, you were wondering what condition. He would be in that he is his extremities. He's moving extremities. So that is your first sign that a positive note. That's why you pay T.J. All that money.

Three passes, defense, three tackles for loss, two sacks, the force fumble. I mean, like three guys are blocking him on that play before Gino tried to step up. So we have next week for the Seahawks, you have the Saints in primetime. Am I reading that right? Three straight primetime games for Gino. you know, against the two of the best past defenses in the league. This is what the schedule makers were aiming for. My hopes were low coming into this, and it was 14-0-0 at halftime,

and it's not like Gino played that poorly even in the first half, but it just felt like there's no way against this defense that they're going to do anything. And I fear, I fear. The ratings for the Gnopod are starting to go down. But what are you showing the next couple of teams you're playing on tape? Like, you can't treat Gino Smith this way. You've got to, you've got, like, he made a couple throws. Yeah.

Late, and you cannot go in with this game plan next time around. You're not going to play Pittsburgh's defense. And I'll leave you with this, Mark Sessler. The Steelers head into a by week. They come out of the by, fully rested, and go to Cleveland with revenge on the mind for a Halloween matchup. I'm not even thinking about Cleveland right now. I mean, they have pushed me into a dark place emotionally. There's a lot of work ahead, you know.

What should go wrong? All right, Greg. I like that. Mark said as we started to watch that game and, you know, Seattle starts coming back and I'm like, oh, you're in Seattle, right, Mark? And you're like, I don't care about the AFC North anymore. I am emotionally detached.

Cleveland's seems determined to lose to every playoff, you know, hopeful out there. So we should do all these, you know, games very tired and a little jet lag. Yeah. I will say congratulations to the Wessling Brothers for once again locking it up. It was the Jaguars. And it's a little, it's a tough one to figure out because Larry attempted to punish his brothers. Undermine.

Undermine the entire operation by locking up the worst team in football. But they won. So I don't know where Larry's at. Like where's Larry at Headspace? Why is he annoyed? I think it's like, you know, you're sort of, you went in with the villain role. Not that he's typically a villain, is a nice fellow in every way, but then he came in with a maccuvian plan that's why all his brothers call him precious.

You know, because, you know, Mama Wesleyan wanted a girl. She got Larry, last one. Well, tonight he'd deliver another surprise, so. Absolutely. And I just can't wait to see what's next with the Wesleying Brothers soap opera. Like, I don't know where you go from there. When you're already, by week six, there's the undermining to the point where one of the brothers is trying to ruin the season for the other Wesleying brothers.

It's like what happens from here? It's going to be exciting. It's a great delivery. It was a high bar for... Was he trying to ruin it? Or was he trying to say like, hey, let me make a pick. You guys didn't let me make the pick last week.

Here I am getting this one right that no one saw coming. There's no doubt that he probably felt a little annoyed and left out. But I think he was trying to undermine the entire operation. And that's how I did it. I think he was trying to undermine the operation and send a message that I will not be overlooked in the future. And it was their best week yet. So I kind of love it. Upset pick.

Like I'm a huge Larry Wesley. like the Wessling Brother power rankings, like Larry surged forward in a big spot. Man of chaos. So we'll see what happens next. All right. That's it for Sunday night, the flagship show.

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