NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2022 Around the NFC in 48 Minutes

Episode Date: May 6, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon go around the entire NFC, division by division, with 3 minutes for each team. We start with the NFC East, followed by the NFC North. Then, we take a halftime break to speak with "Handsome Hank" Henry Hodgson about the newly released NFL International Schedule for 2022. After that, the heroes hit the NFC South, and we close the episode with the NFC West. And it definitely only took 48 minutes!NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Patrick Claibon, what's up, bud? What's up, Dan? What's up? Mark, what's up, Greg? What's up, Justin, congratulations. I don't, I mean, as far as the things that we should prioritize. Right. I appreciate it.

I really do. That's good. I just want to keep my job. Like, let's, uh... But that's how you do. Expend the energy. You have to diversify the Claibon brand. Take it over waters and establish yourself in the United Kingdom.

and surrounding territories. You know, like, how people lurk on Big Brother or other shows? I just kind of want to be a lurker, like, maybe like a Milton-type situation where they legitimately forget about it. It sounds feasible. Claymont's already the tallest, most handsome guy in the room, and then my chair is lower than his, too, so let's try to clean this up a little bit. But now you're towering over him.

Well, I don't get a chance to have my feet dangle, like a fun child very much. And these chairs allow me to do that. I always do, when you watch this on, if you're watching on the YouTube, feed. Poor Greg, when you go to the wide shot, I mean, it's just to simply, you are not a huge person, but you are stationed farther behind everyone.

It's like how they've filmed the Hobbit to some degree. I'm not, I'm worried. People, people get into that. Say Hobbit? It's how they filmed the Hobbit with putting someone in a deep distance. If you look at Greg,

it's not Greg's fault, but he looks like a, someone that just came out of someone's womb compared to the rest of the people. Here's what we got to do with Claybott, though. We got to bring him over. He's a regular on this show, by the way.

We didn't even have to like prep them, like, hey, here's how around the NFC goes. No, he does it every year. We are like a long-running show going overseas, great success, great ratings, but you got to worry it's getting stale after four or five years. You juice up the ratings and the excitement by adding a new character for season five. That's almost tracks, but then if you know sitcom history, the sitcom that's popular but it's starting to grow stale that brings in the cute. kid, that kid's always a death

medal of the show. That annoying redhead of like different strokes. Yeah. Yeah. Danny. Was that his name? Well, then we have a fall guy if that happened. Family ties, I think they rolled in a kid. Family ties had the child. Morg and Mindy, which is an ancient show, had an adult child that was in an egg.

And that show went right off the cliff after that. So is this show. All right. Second show in a full-time capacity behind the glass for Justin Graver. Justin, I understand, as everyone knows, the producer's creed. We opened this week's show with the producer's creed, got Justin officially on board with the show.

And listen, it didn't go over well with everyone. It just didn't. No. Some controversy. Can we listen to Bench with Benetta, Rachel Beneta. We love Rachel. And we think that she's a great talent and she's a friend of the show. Very talented.

But she did not hesitate to, you know, clap back. at this program over what happened let's listen in i renounce any and all other podcasts outside these walls i renounce any and all other podcasts outside these walls wow i mean i felt like we had created a pretty good relationship that would have you know were you at least like crossing your fingers behind your back like we need some in for did you feel immediately bad did you think about reaching out to mohan and i because like just feel like i don't want to speak for you mo but i'm feeling betrayed. Well, like, I don't want to be dramatic, but I thought Justin and I and all three of us had a pretty good thing going. I know we're just starting out. Well, listen, um, the oath is the

oath. I think everyone's missing the giant loophole that saves me. Exactly. Justin. Please go ahead because I was outside these walls. I thought Dan did that intentionally that he was saying like you NFL media, you can do other things. But within these walls, I thought that was intentional. Maybe not judging by Dan's facial expression, he is competitive and has no love for Bench with Beneta, apparently. I have much love. I was on the program, in fact, last week, and it was a great time.

Check it out if you haven't. But the oath is the oath. And if you want to use, like, look at it like that's a loophole, please continue to do that show. But also keep in mind, you know, if we're already using loopholes after one show to get around certain decrees, what does that say for the, Mark, what does that say? Well, I think there's, for as talented as Rachel is, I'm surprised that she already hasn't figured out that the producers here at NFL Network on most of these shows are ambitious and extremely power hungry.

So I wouldn't say a single thing that he said to Rachel has any credence because he'll do whatever. A month ago, we were talking about a massive power shift organized by Gravedigger. A month later, where is he? spinning verbal Hudson Burner I didn't see this coming What Mark is referencing is the game of headphones right which is constantly played

and Justin is clearly winning Right and I think Rachel is also playing the game quite well She's my host on game debut Check out our schedule release show next week Justin do you have an issue with the tone of Mark's voice there in the way he just described you I feel honored that I was able to be described

as such a power. That was another test. I guess completely accurate my analysis. That's the other issue. Another test. Enough of this. Enough of this.

We got so much to do. It's around the NFC in 48 minutes. And, you know, checking in, Justin Behind the Glass did make us aware that apparently there were some fans and listeners of the around the AFC segment that were upset, that maybe we got sidetracked at a certain point

and didn't give some. teams the love they deserved. Right. As Graver put it whiny Colts fans, second place Colts fans. And just understand this is not intentional. This is a free flowing conversation

that occasionally touches on mature subjects, right? And if we get thrown off course every once in a while, that's how podcasts work. So it's a game of Russian roulette. There's going to be a couple teams that's going to happen to today also. It ain't personal. Don't read into it.

Well, Colco, how about spin it this way, complainers? Like, we didn't lose course on roughly 13 and a half of the teams we covered last time. That, to me, says that we were on target. Thank you. You know. Thank you. If I derail a segment referencing your team, you listening, then I did that specifically to antagonize you, the person who's listening to this

because of my problem with you. Claibon's here, and he's here to win. He's seen you all in his mentions. He knows you. That's transparency. He's here to win. All right, let's get into it. We're going to have also a guest a little later in the show to talk about, yes, the international series, which is back, five games, including a brand new country.

And don't forget you have timeouts. You guys didn't use a single timeout? Ooh, I didn't. And that's something to keep in mind. How do those work? I don't even remember how that. I don't either. Yeah.

So let's just say, just be like, thank you, Justin, for the update. I think that was to, if we did have a sidetrack conversation, not about the team in the past, maybe we've used time. out. I think it was in between teams. Didn't we have two last year? And I feel like Greg used both of them. Immediately. Yeah, it's just going to be a, it's a lever for Greg to go off on his own.

Last time, everyone was too worried about using up all the timeouts. So they just left them for Dan. And Dan, I think you can use all three. Start pounding those timeouts. All right. Let's everybody gets too time out. All right. If you need it, use it.

Greg. Use it. We have three minutes for each team. I think we're good. Three minutes. Each team in the NFC, let's start, as we always do on the East Coast. The NFC East and Patrick Claibon, you're more than a guest. Your family, get it going.

All right, so the Dallas Cowboys addressed multiple needs last week. They also needed to because of the way that they've managed the roster in the past few years. They've also drafted well, again, because they needed to. Randy Gregory, Amari Cooper go on this long list of now Cowboys that were on their rookie contract that are now somewhere else that could be contributing on a contender. This team's going to be a contender. I don't know if James Washington and Dante Fowler

move the needle that much for me. Tyler Smith, if you believe in him, right? If it pans out like the recent drafts have, it's good. But here's Mike McCarthy with a top 10 quarterback who's going to contend, right? And potentially, considering there's a Kevin James doppelganger

out there, considering all of the comedy of errors that happened last year, he might not be there this time next year. So how, what round of the playoffs does Mike McCarthy need to get to to keep his job? Oh, wow. Oh, so we're going there. NFC title game. Whoa.

Even losing that because I wrote the same note, I think the Sean Payton fascination, deriving from Jerry Jones, who was in a car accident last night, not related to the fascination, is strong and it is more tangibly real as an option for Dallas than ever before. And Mike McCarthy, I think he did a good job last year up until the crumbling in the playoffs. What does he do that's super special? I mean, Sean Payton is going to win you an extra two or three games a season if he's your head coach because of him. And we don't know for a fact that it wasn't Sean Payton related that car crash. He could have been watching the Netflix movie about Sean Payton starring Kevin James for like the 25th time looking for hidden clues, hidden meetings.

Because it does reward. It's a good point. It's like a radio head album. Right. You just learn more each time. I think McCarthy's in a tough spot. I don't think he has to win multiple playoff games. I think if he made the playoffs and won again.

game, that'd be fine. Keep it in the right direction. I just don't think he's in a great spot anymore because I just don't think they're as talented as they have been over the last couple of years. Offensive line, I have questions. Tyler Smith's probably going to play left guard, not tackle. Cornerbacks, not very good. Linebackers after Micah Parsons, eh. Like, I don't see wide receiver still good, but no longer special. So I just don't think this is a special roster. I think it's a good roster, and usually Mike McCarthy needs a special roster to go make some noise. Don't overestimate the Dallas Cowboys ability to lie to themselves. So if they feel like they do, they had a good season, which I think means making the playoffs, unless Sean Payton is

waiting there, because that does make it a little more intriguing. If Kevin James is waiting there, that would be weird. And here's the other thing. We talk about it a lot, but it really does bear fruit if you go to pro football reference. Their last 20 years after playoff seasons, 10 and 6, and 03, 6 and 10 the next year. 13 and 3 and 07, 9 and 7 missed the playoffs the next year. 11 and 5 and 09, 6 and 10 missed the playoffs. 2014, 12 and 4 to 4 and 12. 13 and 3 to 9 and 7 missed playoffs.

10 and 6 to 8 and 8 missed playoffs, 12 and 5 last year. That's freaky. The International Series is heading to Deutscheland. Up next. Here we go. Mark Sessler. I adore the song selection. The New York Giants.

I think it's bad business that the Giants have to flat out cut James Bradbury because that was not what they planned to do. But I will say otherwise... Bad business for the New York Giants? Otherwise, though, that's atypical of this offseason. I think that Joe Shane, the new GM, he gives me Brandon Bean vibes.

I mean, I know that they've kind of pulled this from Buffalo and I kind of get that sense for the Giants. And I loved how they attacked the draft. They landed our friend in Manifester, Kavon, Tibbon. I would have an acquaintance, I would say. Right. He mentioned friend on our second.

Time out. Uh-oh. Shocker that the timeout comes during my speech. Is that surprising? Dan took a 20-second timeout, by the way. He used the shoulders. That's what that. Mark, the very nature of the timeout means you're not going to lose any time.

This is an aside that does not connect to your three-month. I understand the function. So the function of the game includes timeouts. I'm using one to tell you guys that when Joe Shia. your beloved, Mark, called Kavana Thibodeau and said, we're taking you. Kavon said, I've been waiting. I manifested this.

I felt a little betrayed. I thought the whole manifest thing was. Well, no, no, no. He said that on NFL Network too long before meeting with us. So he kind of used it. Well, that was our thing. I don't think so. Well, clearly, but I thought it was our little thing.

Okay, time in. Dan is a very cute little coffee next to him. as well. I think that's, he's... You're on your time, though. It's a chai latte. The most questionable use of timeouts since, like, Doc Rivers. Hey. I love them adding tackle Evan Neal as well. Their offensive line,

which has been a hot mess for a long time. Evan Neal, Mark Lewinsky, John Feliciano, Max Garcia. It's like, worry, you can start to see it, and I think they need that. I also love the fact that they did not fifth-year option, Daniel Jones. Let's not deal with that drama again. We'll see what happens there,

but after so many boring regimes in New York, It's been a long, boring stretch. I think we're on to something here. Am I right, boys? You are, but I think they really help Daniel Jones this off season. He could be a free agent after the year. If he does well, he'll be fine. I think they've done more to help Daniel Jones, whether that's the idea or not.

And a lot of teams have for their young quarterbacks like Chicago that we've talked about. I just like that they're not verbally wed to them. The Giants in the past with Eli Manning, other guys, they've done weird things where, like, the incoming coach had to treat certain quarterbacks like Kings, and they're not having to do that. drafted Wondale Robinson in the second round is looked, projects as like a slot or a gadget player. That was a pick not a lot of people loved that you're getting like a Cadarious Tony Sterling Shepard backup

in the second round. That was a weird one. The thing about Wondale Robinson, and you have to excuse it, right? Because to get arguably the two best players up front on each side of the ball on your first two picks, it's like house money at that point. But you do kind of wonder, right?

because there was all a discussion about Cadarious Tony and do they want Cadarious Tony? Are they trying to move him? The goal should be, well, let's take the talent that we have and try to get the best team that we can on the football field and because it's a new regime, you wonder if they're trying to do that. But since he's there and they kind of squelch that top,

yeah, I agree. They're doing all they can for dimes and we'll see what dimes can do for us and make us want to watch. If dimes finally... What can dimes do for you? Becomes the guy that thought he was, they'll deal with the financial fallout connected to that. They'll happily

deal with it. They'll just hit him with the franchise tag most likely and maybe work towards something. But I don't know. The chances, it's a very short list at this point of guys that don't break through and then in year four it happens. He does have a better team around him. But I'm still not overly optimistic

about how this is. It just tells me Dayball has watched all his film in these months since he was hired. And your answer was, we're not giving you guaranteeing extra money. No. I'm with you on Bradbury. Bad business. They are almost last in cash spending. They kind of act like a small market team sometimes.

Dave Gettleman's got it. I don't think. Get that out of their mind. It's gone. We move on to Greggy and his Eagles. So many team. Time out. What?

He's used his last one then. I mean, I think there's only two for the whole group. You just took everyone's. There's three. You got three. That's greedy. Greg's favorite teams. Let's figure them out.

Got the eagle? We got the Saints Broncos No, they're gone now Seahawks What? Seahawks have never been there Oh well yeah Dolphins have Teddy now

Patriots, I guess Are you missing any? Chargers Chargers Chargers. Rams Rams because of LSCA Who's your favorite team? I mean the Patriots are my favorite team of all those

I would put the chargers and the Eagles right now are battling for the number two spot. But circumstances can't change. Yeah. It's like who's going to be fun to watch. You get Gino starting a few games. You get Teddy starting a few games. Then let's check back with great. I do like, I do have a soft spot for this dolphin.

Patrick, you grew up in Alabama. I sure did. College Central down there. It is. Did you have a favorite football team in the NFL? I didn't. I didn't. And I still don't.

I'm kind of, I learned the hell out of here. I learned the real answer to this question and it was the Cowboys. But for some reason, he's a shame. to admit it. Wait, what? We've talked about this. Yeah, we've had this exact conversation multiple times.

All right, so Greg has now ostracized himself from Rachel and Claibon. Well, just two out of four now. Run of the Cowboys at some point. It's just the blatant disregard of fact that's confusing to me, but Greg has not been ostracized at all. I'm excited about this Eagles team because they had an awesome awesome. Like, does any team have better depth than this Eagles team? First of all, they were supposedly doing a rebuild, right? Remember that?

Oh, they made the playoffs during it. Oh, yeah. And now they're back and you look at this roster. I think it's better than the Cowboys. I think it's up there with the best four or five in the NFC for sure. They have more players that you know that aren't even starting for them. Like, I don't know if Brandon Graham starts on this team anymore because they've got four really good pass rushers with Hassan Redick there. You bring Jordan Davis in.

You might not even start him. You have a first round pick, Andre Dillard, that can't even get in the mix at left tackle. They've got eight guys on offense, on their offensive line, and eight guys on their defensive line that look great to me. And that's how they won a Super Bowl five years ago was being big up front. For all their analytics talk, they're kind of about big line play, which is about as old school as a game. Great line play. Got a cover in the NFL, though. They didn't use any of their picks on safety or cornerback.

They did not get Honey Badger, who went to the Saints, of course. So they are thin there, and now they're going to have to, I guess, depend on some guys. They're not about that back to front life. They're about that. We're going to get so much pressure and we're going to play very conservative. They're the deepest roster? Is that what you said? Yeah, I think.

Well, up front. Yeah. I'm with you. I think they had the best off season of any team in the NFC. And like, Cizier White, someone that you talk about coverage. I mean, he comes from the Chargers. He's a great coverage linebacker. They did improve their defense all over the players.

That's a position of strength now linebacker. I do want to see how A.J. Brown changes the way that Philly approaches offense because they were a typical NFL product last year running as much as they did and not asking Jalen Hertz to wing it. I mean, now you have to please A.J. Brown. And you've also put, even if they retain Jalen Rigger, despite the fact that, you know, Philly people get upset and they want everybody gone and they never want to see them again, you'd be asking him to do something that he wasn't asked to do. He's their fifth receiver probably. Zach Pascal is a nice four right there. And so you just, if you imagine. in a scenario where even in 2021,

AJ Brown is now under all of those all those targets that previously went to Jalen Reagan. Like, what does that do for the win-loss capabilities of this team? And Nikobe, people are worried about him having surgery? Nicopi Dene could have the surgery today and play the season with one arm and he would be better in covers than a lot of the

linebackers than Philly ran out there last year. And like I said on at the draft, or the Saturday night show, after the draft, he said that there were people that were out to get him behind the scenes, the reporting on it. Like he is not unhealthy. He's ready to go and he could make a big difference. I think obviously timeout. Time out. Okay, so we are out of timeouts.

It is like the middle of the first quarter. If anything important happens, the rest of the way. I just want to let, you know, Greg, you realize you can't talk while I'm taking a timeout. Do you understand that? Alienated you now too. Well, that's actually not the rule of the timeout. It doesn't mean nobody else to talk. Could you out of politeness refrain? Well, that's different. I had just a couple of lines of information to read to you about Albertina Carlson. Yes. Born June 12th, 1948, actually, died 1930, a Swedish zoolotist.

She was born to Taylor A.P. Carlson and A.M. Johnson in Switzerland, a very famous scientist from that time. It was a needless timeout. We have no more left. You heard us there. You heard us there, but we're going to work through it. Like I said, the Cowboys are allergic to... They are allergic to success beyond one year at a time. So the Eagles make sense as that team that's ready to take the division. But a lot of teams look great in May. They're one of those teams.

Everyone loves the Eagles. I love the scorpions. Everyone. I thought the commanders were guilty of overthinking a little bit in the draft. They entered the draft with six picks. And you could just picture all these guys in the conference room. We need more picks. Give us more picks.

So they traded back in the first And they passed on Chris Olavé Passed on Kyle Hamilton They take Dotson at 16 Okay, we'll see what happens with him Could be great After they made the Dotson pick

He's a wide receiver of course Ron Rivera had this to say About his quarterback room Graver Because we got the quarterback You know we have a guy that can make all the throws You know Taylor did a lot of good things for us But when you watch some of the things

That Carson has done you know, we've got to now get guys that can get into that position to make those plays as well. Because we got the quarterback. They are certain Carson Wentz is the guy that's going to make this offense thing. It's better now with Terry McClure and having a second banana. If that's going to hit the ground running and everybody can now get excited about Sam Hal to, he's probably a fifth round pick for a reason. I know people at watch college say he's intriguing, but he's a fifth round pick.

Anyway, should Ron Rivera be as confident as he is that this offense is, now about to sing because they got a guy that can make all of them. No. As we all know, I decided to really go ahead and start to take command. This was the most desperate attempt at getting a starting quarterback of any team in the league.

And what happens to Washington when we're in the middle of offseason programs, the middle of training camp, the middle of preseason, and Taylor Heineke is out playing Carson Wentz visibly to our eye. Sam Howell is not probably going to see starting. They won't allow that. They might not even put

him on the field. But that, but he, I just think that Taylor Heineke could be, just simply be the better quarterback. Taylor He is the exact kind of quarterback that is always going to make the starter who's not great look inferior because Heineke is a frisky little guy. Right. But I don't know, it's just, he might not play in the preseason. It'll be all Wentz and how. I saw you a little tasty, uh, uh, tweet there, Gregie, uh, that Kyle Brand called the gateway tweet that Carson Wentz has a better offensive cast around him now that he did an indie. Yeah, I don't even think that's a question. Does it matter? Does it matter with Carson Wentz?

No, I'm not. That was not a pro Carson Wentz tweet. I agree with everything you said about Wentz. I think the price of quarterback going down made that move look even more foolish. I'd much rather have Baker Mayfield for that matter. But yeah, Antonio Gibson and some good running back depth. Okay, that's worse than Jonathan Taylor, but it's still quite good. The offensive line ranked higher than the Colts in basically every metric last year. looks solid. I wouldn't say it's amazing, but it's good enough. And the receivers are fun. I mean, I know Curtis Samuel's never healthy, but even if he wasn't, you have McLaurin, you have Jahan Dotson, you have Cam Sims as a fun three. Diami Brown, maybe he can do something.

He's a deep threat. I think, and I've always believed Scott Turner is an underrated play caller that's been dealt a bad hand. We like Young Turner. I think it could be seen as an anti-winstake. Like, if it doesn't work now, then let's not do this ever again. Right, I don't think it'll work, but I just think the team's okay. By the way, defense 27th to DB O A year ago, please. A lot of commanders in Washington. He's right. There are.

You can't say he's not right. Yep. That place is teaming with commanders. Let's hear it again, Joe. A lot of commanders in Washington, D.C. in the Pentagon. The Pentagon. Don't forget about the Pentagon. Five-South side of fortress.

And what about Carson Wentz? I want to hear from it. As we all know, I decided to really go ahead and start to take command. Just one more take. The social media guy. All he had to do is. says, okay, that was good, Carson. Now, let's remove the ums and the kindos and then they begin to...

That was... That was swag. Like, he was trying to put Panache on it, but it turned into uncertainty. No, that was the sixth take. Let's... That was five takes you just couldn't even get it out. I'm excited to... Maybe get ready to start to maybe command.

It's like, all right. It'll work. You know how we didn't say, like, the old Washington team nickname for a while or a lot of people didn't, and I didn't in writing? I'm actually doing the same thing with this nickname. I'm just going Washington. I'm standing against this nickname, too. Well, I've been on that beat with you.

I can't deal with it. I can't deal with it. Tideous nickname. Right. You'll get used for it. You're pure little Pentagon. Do you remember the lady by the pool, Dan? Oh, the lady, when I did the Benetta podcast with Graver and the lady by the pool, let's

bleep out the word, okay? Okay. Because you guys need to know how this went. We're recording poolside in Vegas. I guess this is a timeout. We have to go over with another time out here. I mean, that's, you can't, you just got a penalty, a technical foul. We'll take it.

take it um we're recording by the pool it's a great conversation a woman really been in the sun probably the last 45 years i'd say um says i was like NFL dropped i was like yeah yeah it's like ah go rations and they're like uh actually the commander's now no rations go rinds it's like oh okay it's like oh okay that's what we're dealing with she's like high caliber woman i want slurs Give me slurs. It is my right to yell slurs at you. She's probably still laying in that chair right now. What happens in Vegas?

Well, she took it out of it. Yeah, I thought she's got to make it out. All right, let's take a break and then move to the NFC North. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel?

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All right, here we go, Greg, you get us going with the Bears. Nailed it. So I look at this Bears team, and I look at the fact that they are dead last in cash spending. This is my new thing that is a little bit on my radar. Because some teams try harder than others. Some teams are spending $100 million more in cash than others, even when they're at the same salary cap. And things go up and down. You've got to look at it over multiple years. But the Bears haven't spent in three years.

They got Luke Getze as their offensive coordinator. They got Byron Pringle as their number two receiver. Bellis Jones, a 24, 25-year-old prospect, who's kind of a return guy. as their one draft pick at wide receiver. They don't have a good offensive line. And they just haven't been doing enough, whether it's the coaching, whether it's free agency,

whether it's trades, whether it's the draft to support Justin Fields, or just to support having a good offense, which is the point of playing football to me in 2020. You got to play good offense. Sense what's going on with the Bears right now because they did mortgage their future to get Justin Fields. They gave up a first-round pick.

But the organization did still, and they have a guy here that is on a rookie contract now heading into year two, and they did nothing to help him in year one. Absolutely nothing. They kept a lame duck coach, and everybody knew was not the guy. Same thing with the general manager. They let him do the draft class last year. And now they're not spending, like you're saying, they let Alan Robinson leave in free agency after getting him to essentially not want to be in that building anymore. And it's just it feels like it's all wasteful. I don't see any direction that's positive right now with this.

I do think, like, incomplete grade for Ryan Poles, the new GM. I mean, there's more to do here. I put it more on people above him, yes. Right. The thing is, though, I mean, the sweet spot for every one of these NFL teams is the quarterback on the rookie contract. And if they like Fields and then they have to pay him a ton of money two years from now, if he survives all this, then you're out of that window.

And the bears are in a whole different type of problem financially. And it's like, this is the time to spend. It's the time to surround Justin Fields with as much as possible. and he has less than Jared Gough had in Detroit a year ago. It's just which way is it going to be? If you believe he's not the future, that I'm sure considering the quarterbacks and the way people felt about this most recent draft class,

maybe there's a market for Justin Fields. If you don't believe in him, maybe somebody else does. But if you do, then what is your plan? Not just the previous regime mortgaging their future, like he is the future. He's somebody's future. He's more important than the coach. That's the thing I think that gets lost.

These rookie quarterbacks are ultimately more important than whatever the vision of Ryan Poles and the coach is. Like, hire a coach with the vision for Justin Fields. I'm not sure these guys do. 11 draft picks. They used one of those picks on a wide receiver. This is a team that had two players on the roster that had played a snap last year for the Bears. Darnel Mooney, Byron Pringle are there now. But Bealus Jones Jr., set number 71 is the only guy they brought in.

To Greg's point, he is. more of a special teams guy than he is someone who proved in college that he could be a big productive whiteout. The Lions mark. Sorry Bears fans, as said. They know.

Yeah, they know. Better than us. Do they, though? I got a lot of people mad. That is a fair question. Detroit, there's still issues here, but I see hope. I do. I see a white knuckle offensive line.

The beginning of a pass rush that could be pretty nasty if Aidan Hutchinson works out. You look at a year ago, They were like Chicago. They had major issues at wide receiver, and we didn't know that Amon Raus St. Brown would be what he was, which was a great young first year wideout. Jameson Williams has added to the mix.

They've got a creative, underrated coaching staff. I think Jared Goff is probably no more exciting than like a cup of yogurt, but he isn't the worst thing on the earth. Vanilla, right? Like there's not even fruit in it. Yeah, but if it's like 8.45 p.m. and you just want a little snack. Bang down a yogurt. It's good.

So I mean that Jared Goff, it's in certain time and in certain. in a certain place, you can get it done too. You do it, you do it with yogurt. Just bang it down. Take Jared golf straight to the head. Is it crazy? Slurp it up. Because I fall for these things all the time and it's you've got to start to sell

police. Is it crazy to see a Lions team that maybe freaks their way to nine and eight and is alive for a wild card berth in that final week of the season? Why not? This team was so close a year ago, especially late in the season. time after time, getting just a few plays away. I don't see why not. It's so hard to handicap things, especially in this division,

because we don't know how to feel. We've got a new head coach coming in Minnesota. There's turnover. There's change in Green Bay. And again, we just talked about the Bears situation. Why not? They have great coaching, too. At least from what we saw a year ago, they maxed out.

They were incredible against the spread. I know that's random, but I think it just shows how they were way better than expectation week after week. It wasn't just winning a couple games. They could have won more. Very deep up front on the defensive line. Josh Pascal was a guy. There's a high ceiling type of pass rusher to combine with Hutchinson.

Depth there. To me, this is my favorite for team of ATL. I know you just went through all those teams that are my teams. But I feel like this is a team that America can get behind and that we can get behind as a group. We would have fun rooting on the lions. I'm with you. I'm with you. As I said to Cynthia.

like they are what the Browns were a few years ago. They're this underdog team that's at a long run of failure. And they feel like they're on the come-up, but they're not loaded by any stretch. Now they're going to be on hard knocks like that Brown's team was. You wanted to do it right now? You want to do a team of ADL in May? Seems a tad premature. I don't know.

Let's think about it. Let's come back to that. We might have to use a time out there. Let's do it and then we can go back on it if we want to change our minds. See, but I don't think that's strong. I feel like we do it. I'm fine if we just do it and stay with it. to ask, can they go 9 and 8?

It really, to me, comes back to the division, which is if Green Bay takes a step back, possible. If Minnesota takes a step back, possible. Chicago's going to stink. We know that. We think we know that. We think we know everything right now. Go 4 and 2 there, and you're flying.

It's also possible the lines are 1 in 5 in October. Yep. Notice how Justin hasn't even taken the trank out. Did he use up all of his ammunition? I saw it loaded up one time, but we got there. He was thinking about it. All right. It's true.

You guys overstepped on one of these teams recently. The Packers, where's the urgency? Where is it? Across the league, we see teams making aggressive plays in free agency, trades, the draft, adding impact-wide receiver talent. Those teams believe could get their offense over the top. The Packers, you know, we're coming off a playoff game where the offense was tight as a drum, ineffective. they traded one of the best wide receiver in their wide receivers in their history

stayed away from any splashy free agency move didn't make another blockbuster trade to replace Adams then went defense with two first round picks as six wide receivers came off the board ahead of them I know they get Christian Watson early in the second round maybe he'll be a stud

I'm not saying that's not possible they've done that before with non first round picks but there's a big assumption that he's going to be that and remember that with Devon Mattie Adams, another second round pick that became a stud. When he came in, he didn't need to be the guy. They had Johnny Nelson there.

I think Greg Jennings might have still been there. But you're now asking this kid, the second round pick, hey, we got to win a Super Bowl. Hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, be great. I'm dubious of the whole thing. And as a Packers fan, if I was, I'd be disappointed. And he's going to be compared to all the other wideouts taking a little bit before and after him as well to make sure that Green Bay got the right guy when they skipped on a wide out early on.

My one thing about Green Bay is like two years in a row, 13 and three seasons. Things have gone as well as possible, right? You have had a MVP quarterback two years in a row. You get to January, the engine falls out of the vehicle. And what happened last year to lose to San Francisco in – that should have been their Super Bowl run. The NFC is weak. That's all that's saving them right now. I wonder if they need to go through some madness earlier in the year and not have such a pristine regular season.

So when they get to January, they're more battle-tested. Perhaps. And they had their moments. I just think it's still a really good team, though. I mean, I don't love the process for how they got Watson. You got two, you traded two second round picks to go get him. Romeo Dubs, what a name. Fourth round pick at receiver that some people believe is a little more pro-ready and might be a factor. But it's a dart throw, is my point. I get it, but they add Devante White, which looks like a great pick. It's a really good defense. It's a good backfield. It could be a really good offensive line. One of the reasons, that Aaron Rogers is worth all that money. The same reason why Tom Brady is is because he makes receivers better and he makes it work. Well, why did they lose last year, right? They were playing the 49ers.

It's Devante and nothing else. They just needed an option, right? And so now you take Devante off of the team and it's just I cannot be hit with any idea that this team is better without. That annoys me, Tim. I also think they lost because it's so cold. Oh, come on, Gregi.

Stop making excuses for this team. They're the Green Bay Packers. Just say it, they're like a passing attack that had nothing to do there. It was a total implosion. Use the resources at your disposal to become a better football team than you were last year. What are you in the bag for the packers for? What's going on here? I just think they're a fine team.

I didn't say they weren't fine. They're going to win 10 to 12 games. Now someone's taking darts. The darts are making me stronger. Come back to me when Romeo Dubs is racking up Dubs on Sundays, 90 catch. That's what he wants. They get made a same prop. Okay. All right. Finally, Patrick Claibon on the Vikes here in the North.

So the Minnesota Vikings are the Minnesota Vikings, right? O'Connell comes in. They get Pat P. back. I like the draft. If you look at it, right, without going through the draft process, I love Louis C. I love Andrew Bruth. I think Seen, honestly, watching him, not like Kyle Hamilton, but I can see a case that he could bring, not a similar talent, right, but a lot from that safety position. the issue with the draft was the trade values, right? You're in there, you're trying to see. I was in New Orleans looking at the Saints draft, and I'm doing all the calculations based on the Rich Hill trade chart. And then I see the in-division trade with the Lions,

and I look at the points, and I'm like, Quessie, what are we doing? Like, what's going on? People got different charts, though. Yeah, exactly. And since the time, I have become more amenable to it. But I just wonder, with the continuity at the quarterback position, I think Justin Jefferson is one of the best in the game.

What is it that's keeping me from really believing in the Minnesota Vikings? I have to ask this question internalized to myself and to you guys, what's holding us back from thinking this team? I get sucked into the Vikings all the time. Come on. You know what the answer is. It's the same answer as it is every year. Same guy throwing the ball.

I know, but then like last November we were like, this guy's having his best year ever. Yeah, but then he ultimately will not. I mean, I do think, though, the Zimmer experience needed to end. The quotes coming out of that building were so negative. So I think it comes down to, like, Kevin O'Connell and Kirk Cousins. Is Kevin O'Connell a special coach? We have no concept.

It's a totally different defense. It's a different offense. I like that for them. They could not run back what we experienced last year. I would have been tired of it from week one on. I feel differently right now. No, they're really different. They're giving that big secondary energy that we talked about

with the Bengals to draft Seen, Booth, and then another fourth round pick to a secondary that already had pretty good talent with Peterson, Harrison, Smith, camp dancer, like that's what they're trying to do, but then you look at the offense, and it's basically the entire same, it's exactly the same as a year ago,

except you're replacing the coach and you're just counting on O'Connell. I'm wondering, they'll never admit this, but if, like, the first draft for Quessia dofo, Mensa, right? They trade out of 12, okay and they get they pass on kyle hamilton a guy people say could be generational talent at safety to take a safety at 32 pick up a third round pick and then the team that they traded with the

lions team in their division takes a big time wide receiver prospect jameson williams that's problematic and i know they picked up a mid round pick and gms love mid round picks i get that but i wonder if like if in the heart of hearts if they're not totally thrilled how they're that first round played out. Well, they'll be reminded of it every time James torches them. Like, their fans will remind them of that, if that happens. Patrick, you're doing such amazing work.

I think you need to take a blow. Okay. You know? Take a quick break. We only have, this is, I know, under the huddle, $14 billion company, but we just have four mics. Yeah. We've got to make room for, what is a, Father Christmas? That's the British call saying. It is an individual, yes.

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ago when you had a private lunch and you had big news for me, I thought you were announcing that you were staying in our country and I was going to be a part of the ceremony or something. So I had asked for that music and, uh, no different. No. Henry Hodgson is here to talk international games. You are not staying here. There will be no, uh, ceremony. Uh, you're leaving us. I'm sorry. Is it, do we have the British music to play instead? Uh, can't we have a ceremony saying goodbye at some point? That would be appropriate after what he's done. I'm a little upset still.

I've been on record here that, you know, I don't have many friends, Henry, that I consider actual friends. You're one of them. So the list went down from like 12 to 11. And that hurts me. Well, I made his top 12 friends list. That's exciting. He was one of my top friends. I was.

Look, what I would say is that that was one of the things that came into my decision as well. I could have, I had opportunities to leave three, four years ago. And it's taken me that long to get to the point that I was. I was willing to say goodbye to you. No, we're all very happy and proud of you, Henry. You're going to do great job as the general manager of United Kingdom properties. Sounds powerful. NFL media.

Oh, my God. And now, since you are the general manager to be overseas and you're moving back home in a little bit, we should talk international series, which was announced this week. And we were texting back and forth. And I know you wanted to get in here and really plug the brand. I said to you last week, hey, by the way, gave you a little bit of a heads up that we were going to be announcing the game.

And I said, how about I come and talk to you about the games? And then this morning you texted me and said, come and plug your stuff or something. It's like the power rankings. Welcome to my world was, I think, almost the exact quote. It's like, welcome to you. I've come to talk about the NFL schedule. I'm not plugging it.

No, you said, here's the text exchange. I do have to confess that I went on the insider show with Rhett Lewis today. That was great. I had a great time yesterday. And it's possibly I'll be repeating myself. And I then replied, I have no issue with you repeating yourself. You got to plug and promote, baby.

Welcome to Life in the Power Rankings World. When I do five different NFL shows, I make up, I have to say the same point over and over again. You got to plug the brand. You are the brand, bro. You are the United Kingdom for all intents and purposes on the show. I appreciate this. This is a little bit like I felt like obviously as one of your biggest listeners, what you were trying to help them up with around the draft.

and really plugging his brand. You're kind of, this is the same, same recipe. So it's like his, it's like, oh, are the chargers fallen from 13th to 17th? Is your equivalent for like, here are five games across the world that 90,000 people are going to be in the stands for cheering? That's not as big as the power rankings. Greg, that felt like, what were you doing with that? He's just a mean-spirited old man. What's going on with Greg?

We understand that about Greg, and we appreciate it. Henry, let's talk the games. Let's talk about the games. We'll start with your beloved hometown, London. And we got three games. And we're rolling here. Give it to me. Give me that stodgy old tune.

I mean, it's literally like it's about celebrating God Save the Queen. Stodgy. That's a song. You know, I love. I love this song. Your home country. I know you do. And we love having me there as well.

How old is the Queen? She's like 105 right now? I think she just sold. celebrated like her 90th birthday. Let's get on with it already. Get on with what? I mean, like, I would like to see some fresh blood in the... I know what you mean by that.

Right. Have some respect. That's the queen, man. Do you want to come to London this year? Get on with it. Does Mark want the queen to die? No, I don't know. Right. Well, yes, he obviously does.

He backed up the, like, we gave you a chance to take a step back, and then you were like, I want fresh blood. Was that why you weren't allowed into the UK last year? No, that's words being put to my memory. mouth. I just want to see what it's like when it's a new regime. Here we go. I'm excited for that. There's a over a four, five weeks, man. We have three UK games. We have Vikings versus Saints, Giants versus Packers, Broncos

versus Jaguars, all spicy games. I love it, buddy. Look at that slate. That's the best London slate ever. I'm plugging it. Aaron Rogers. You got Aaron Rogers. You got a Tiffany franchise in the Giants. You got Kirk Cousins. You got the Saints. And then you got... I mean, you just led with Kirk Cousin. Russell Wilson, you got the Jaguars maybe being half decent? Well, yeah, certainly turned around from where they were the mess last year. You got the Jaguards refusing to play in the hot toddy, which is always like a fun subplot.

He's at, they're at Wembley Stadium. What's the story behind that? They refused to. I know you would know that. No, there's no refusal. Wembley Stadium is a crown jewel, not just of UK stadiums, but of World Studios. This is a new Wembley Stadium, though, to be clear. This isn't the original classic. We generally... No, I've not been to... We always are covering games at the Hot Tadi. So normally, if we would go, it would be one of those first two games.

October 2nd is Viking Saints. They only play classics, by the way. Not just that playoff game, but a game that when Wes was on the show, we would talk about all the time. The famous Sam Bradford, week one performance against the Saints. I think it was 2018. Maybe the best game by a quarterback played in that entire season. It was the apex of Sam.

Bradford's career. Maybe Sam Bradford will come back for this one. Can I ask you some inside information, like question from you about the Packers that they waited this long or were able to wield their power and not go to London up until now? That is weird. What was there, is there a pushback from the Green Bay organization to participate in this? Absolutely. The opposite.

So up until now, they've had a reason to be able to push back because it was kind of either voluntary or it was based on a Super Bowl being played in your city, which as we... But they didn't. on here. So there wasn't, they weren't overly excited about it, but also because Lambeau Field is so special to the city. They gave up a, they gave up a Lambo game. For this year, yes, the Packers,

the way that the schedule is now worked out is with the additional 17th week. Got it. The, or 17th game, the team that has more home, or the conference rather, that has more home games, the NFC, those teams this year that are the ones that are giving up games. Next year, the AFC, back and forth. There's a lot of U.K. Packers fans, I feel. There are.

And Giants fans. There's two of the more popular players. Let's head to Deutsche Land. Let's. And this is a first. And this is something we're all excited about. We'd love to get back to London for a fourth time. I really want to get to Germany for the first time because Deutsch, Seattle Seahawks.

I've expected some Goody music here. Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This is pretty good. It's an NFL network game. In Munich. This is a long time coming, getting the NFL to Germany. Not just the NFL, Tom Brady. Tom Brady.

Who would you send for a first mission? When he unretired, the NFL, did you know this game was already happening? Yes. Ooh, so the NFL Germany office went from thinking we got Brady. Well, from the highs of announcing the buccaneers to the lows of Grady retiring. This game could have been a disaster, though, had Tom Brady not. I don't think that necessarily. Russell Wilson.

Now you're going to get Gino Smith potentially, so that's kind of a nightmare. But you got... The Seahawks, though, are a top three club in Germany. The people of Germany love the Seahawks because they've been such a successful team over the last 10 years or so. All right, give me the top three teams in Germany. The New England Patriots because of their success. Yeah. The Green Bay Packers, very, very popular in the Seattle Seahawks.

I bet they like, I don't know anything other than we have a great listenership in Germany. It's very voracious. Germany is an underrated country for American football love. Your days at NFL Europe, they were thriving back then. But my guess is they like hard-nosed defensive teams. So I would think they might maybe like the Legion of Boom back in the day. You know what I mean? That's exactly the exact thing.

I actually, I don't know. These guys know, I went to Germany with the NFL people. We went to high schools and they were teaching them like defensive line drills. There were, like, fully formed, like, football teams all over Germany. It's hardcore. Greg says that it's underrated. I would say it's actually very exploding. It's exploding in Germany.

It's the fastest growing market. Were you aware that Mark spent some time as a youth in England? Were you aware of that? I had heard it. Yes. Wait, but so I... In Surrey, Dan. Surrey, of course.

Beautiful town. Years. Leafy Surrey. I mentioned this awkwardly on a hit that's going to air on the schedule release show. It will see if it makes it. My dad born in Germany. My grandfather received reparations for decades for what they did to our people there. I've never been there.

Your brother has a German passport. He does. He has a German passport. You didn't get around to do it. That's part of the reparations too. Gino Smith is playing in this game. We got to be there, Henry. I support that 100%.

I mean, the exciting thing is that it's an NFL network game. NFL network is behind all of these exciting games. You guys should be... We want to go to London, too. In Mexico City. Actually, I... We really want to go to Mexico. I have a whole plan for Mexico City.

Doesn't involve all of us, or... I've already discussed this, that I am willing to go with the three of us, but I am going to drive there from here. It's 33 hours. I've talked to Randy behind the glass about, you know, where to go, where not to go.

He's giving me some tips. And then I would just stay in your room and be a servant to you. I'll do anything that you ask. I can't guarantee. I'll be there. 49ers Cardinals. That's a fun game, too.

It's a great game. Late season game, DeAndre Hopkins back. Finally, let's head south of the border. Oh, to Mexico City. Estadio Azteca for the Niners and the Cardinals. An NFC West Hilt, Henry. And I know Greg's already uncomfortable.

It's like, oh, is this incestive? Randy Chavez picked this song. Chavez, baby. Annette Cinco de Mayo. And I was just enjoying the incredible house music we have. It was got on the mask, a little squirmy in the pants. I got to admit, I was reading a little too close to the mark there. I was reading the around the NFL staff.

Chavez Ravine. Behind the glass, Randy. Go ahead. Greg. What were you saying? I wasn't saying anything. Henry, go ahead. Well, it's another fantastic game.

This is a Monday night football game. If you remember the last couple games in Mexico City had won't night. raucous games. The Cardinals and 49ers both have huge fan bases in Mexico because people, you know, Arizona are obviously local. The 49ers are a California team,

a lot of support. It's going to be a huge game. Awesome. And, you know, like that is, where are we? We're like, probably, I think it's the week just prior to Thanksgiving.

So that's what week 13. Everybody else, season doesn't really begin until after Thanksgiving. But this is pretty close. This is a big division tilt. This is a playoff type. Mark Sessler.

And you'll be there in a, An old jalopy that you've driven down from Southern California? No, my lease car. It's like a year old. Oh, good. But you're not a big fan of driving, though. I am a long way to go. I don't like driving other people around.

I like driving myself. But I have heard that you also feel a little unsafe sometimes with other people on the road. I don't know that the traffic in Mexico is necessarily... I actually am a sneaky good driver. Spare is a big you turn for a buddy. No, a lot of that is just false advertising based on lack of experience. with me from the other podcast. But you said it.

You're the one who always talks about it. Well, because there was a period where I think that I needed to. You're saying you've improved. He's in my vastly improved. That can happen. Yeah. No one's going to take that away for you, bro. And if you drive all the way to Mexico City, you'll be great.

You'll be amazing. You'll probably be driving F-Funk cars a year. Mario Andretti over here. So I'm looking it up and it's 18, hold on, 1,800 miles. I think that would really F my Lies arrangement. Turn this up on my head phone. You got Trey Lance, you got Kyler Murray running around way over sea level. The defenders are getting tired.

Probably. Yeah, it's 2,000. Tired in the fourth quarter. 2,000 miles higher than, or feet higher than... It's not 2,000 miles higher than Denver, but it is 2,000 feet higher than Denver. I believe me, when you're there, it's actually like in space. I think on NFL Network I might have said it was 2,000 miles higher. So that's just another notch in our belt.

2,000 mile high stadium. What do you think? You are kind of mid... You're the VP of International before you're going to be the GM, right? GM. And so this is the third time we've talked about these games today. We talked about live on NFL Network. Plug it.

We're going to be on the schedule release show. Plug it. I think that'll be the first time we've actually ever been on a show with Rich Eisen. If we ever there was going to be three minutes of work that we've ever done that we want to put with such esteemed colleagues, this was it. It was a total home run. And now here, like we are kind of Mr. International, all three of us. Are you proud? Are you proud, Dan? I am very proud of where we've come together,

but the whole NFL network has become Mr. International. Over the last 24 hours. And misses. And misses. We have seen, you know, so much support. Our friends at Good Morning Football helped us unveil the games yesterday. We would have done that if you asked. Henry, that your friend, Neil Reynolds was on with Andrews.

That dims our accomplishments to say that the whole, now the whole network's on board, but we were the ones who, you know, wandered through the desert for you, to bring the message. Took the slings and arrows. Across the sea. People said we couldn't do it, but we did it. Wandering through the desert also included staying in nice hotels in London. We got to go back to London, too.

As much as we like Germany, we want to go back to London, too. But only specific high-class hotels. How would you feel about that? Could we all move there? Where? To your castle? No, move there. I'd go right now.

I would stay in one of your castles, yes. We've talked about this. Going back to Surrey. Oh, naturally. We've talked about this before. Dan said he doesn't want to leave the country ever. Narrative. But now, no, you said it.

You said an occasional vacation, but you're the... Yes, I like my country. Oh, what a terrible person I am. Don't run. Oh, what a bad guy I am. That's not a bad. Mr. Worldly, where have you been? If the situation pops up, I would go with you.

I do remember once Mark and Dan and I going to the draft in New York and hatching a plan for us to leave our families behind and live in a small apartment together. that's true we actually had it was that we picked out a place it was a beautiful spring uh weekday in manhattan and it was very alluring the concept yeah so i'll leave it henry you've said it all thank you and uh patrick claibon is going to reclaim his seat in a moment okay but just um just know that we've already had a conversation about what it would be like if the two of you were young studs out on the town together man clay

Yeah, you and Claibon. Sounds fun. I could do some damage. Wish I had a time machine. The reason why we had to actually separate them is because it would be just devastating bad for Mark, Greg, and myself to have the two of you in here with us. I was in here where you went on vacation at some point, not that long ago. And Patrick and I sat with Greg and Mark, and we had a great time. It's true.

The devastation that we felt didn't come up with Mark and I, so maybe this is just you. No, I think I got this one nailed pretty good. All right, thank you, buddy. Before I go back to the UK, can I come on here one last time? Of course. More than just one. Yes. I just want to make sure this isn't goodbye.

This is not goodbye. You come on next week. Whenever Dan leaves, that's just that's your time to come in. It's like Frank Drebben once said, this isn't goodbye. It's just we're never going to see each other. Henry Hotson, there he goes. Should we play him out with Yankee Doodle Dandy? no no it was i thought i was going to use it but i couldn't all right bye henry

all right there he goes henry and welcome back patrick what'd you do during the time off i honestly just stood outside and looked at a taller and more handsome man sit in this chair and uh i was a little bit that was distracting to me i had to be honest i saw you through the glass and you did not blink once yeah i wasn't trying to be intimidating it's really just you know appreciating the creature. You and him together have a high, handsome quotient, though. I mean, you're not, it wasn't a huge. Imagine if they were single guys hit in Englewood after the show.

Damage. Go over to the Landon strip down there, down the street. It's like, you know, Tebow and Scott Hanson back in 2011. All right, you get, who do you want to be? Pick of that pair, yeah. I appreciate the success that both of those men have had and I will not take their place. Good answer. Let's move to the NFRA.

see self starting with a town usher called it once 20 years ago the falcons with matt ryan in indianapolis calvin ridley suspended julio jones and graybeards purgatory falcons are starting over on offense that excavation began last year with kyle pitts fourth overall that was some foundation then you bring in drake london eighth overall we talked to him actually on thursday night after the draft referred to the pair as the Twin Towers. Okay, so now you got, you at least have some pieces there. This is a team that went seven and ten last year, but could have easily been a 13 lost team.

Do you think Marcus Marriota has a chance to do something? Or is it more likely that Desmond Ritter, a third round pick is playing by Halloween? They scream to me like a team that's going to flip-flop between both, probably. Arthur Smith was in Tennessee when Marietta was benched for Ryan Tannihill. So I tire of this idea that Arthur Smith is fascinated by Marcus Merriott. He brought him in. He did, but it's like there weren't a lot of options.

I still think that Big. Ritter compared himself to Tannahill during the process. But Desmond Ritter is actually sort of a Marriota clone too. So it's like I, but I think there's a, this is one rookie who is a chance to, I think, knock off Marriota the minute there's trouble. And with Marietta, it's like I liked him better as a gadget guy. And I think that up to stock, him as a week after week starter, I'm scared of that one. I don't think they could have had a better draft to get ridder in the third round of potential option at quarterback while you're also getting great athletes.

Arnold Evacetti in the second round was just tested off the charts. It looks like a great pass rusher. And I think in most drafts where there wasn't so many good edge rushers could have gone in the top 20 and got pushed down. Troy Anderson, I don't know that much about him, but I know he played quarterback and then he played running back and then he played linebacker. And when you play one year of linebacker and you get. drafted in the second round, you've got to be doing something right. And I just like Arthur Smith, at least having a vision here with three guys, Pitts, London, and Cordrell Patterson that you can do different things with. I think they could be a watchable bad team.

I liked that Marcus, as far as the gadget role, what it meant was we didn't have Marcus going in and out taking the hits and the contact that he did over his tenure in Tennessee that I think kind of hurt him towards the end where here's an explosive athlete that wasn't necessarily able to do due to like the culmination of all those injuries. at the time, and here's Ryan Tannahill coming off of his injury history, he was able to take some time away from the game. So I think we get a few solid games of Marcus. I can say 10 games of solid, you know, that's what they want.

But Ritter was supposed to be the most pro-ready guy maybe, so it does make a little sense. There's the bottom of the mountain right now, and they're starting to climb. I still think ultimately, and it worked out for them, even though their intentions were otherwise. Deshaun Watson, in addition to all the other reasons why that would have been a problematic move for them, what that would have done to their ability to build a team for years it just didn't feel like a good fit that whole setup

now this is more organic let's see if they could do something we were very compliant that is not what this podcast is typically about I was afraid it was nice no it was calming and that's the difference between the organizational structure

of trying like having some sort of plan versus This is one previous team that we talked about where it's like, what are they doing? You got to get me. Get him right in the jugular. You're a little asleep at the wheel, Grave Digger. I think he's a little sheepish because he had about,

he probably got some tweets like, bro, you fired off 5,000 rounds. Did you? Yeah, he was letting the thing see. There was a Reddit meme post of Sylvester Stallone. But you cannot go to the Reddit board and have it started. Yeah, never read the Reddit. I think he's just stunned from that whiplashing

he took from Mark earlier in the show. Yeah, that was not. recovered for what my accurate reporting the tension between the two i was also thrown off guard because you just let the timer expire so i was like oh that's why i'm surprised why claibon would let the time tick off and then have a point i want to the dart he wanted the dart um this is my take on the subreddit board and everybody if you're a fan of the show check it out i think it's over 20,000 strong it's great if you're a fan of the show enjoy it you know be nice to us but you know what ultimately it's not it's not for us so that's

It's better for us to stay away. Graver, you make your own decisions. I'm on there. Don't let them change you, though. Don't let them tell you how to think, how to behave. You're right. I just like to be informed of what the listeners are taking from each episode. Why, though?

We've got a long way. I think that's healthy from a producer angle. Graver would like to contextualize his analysis of the show with input from other people who appreciate the show. It's a thin line. You cross that line, though. and all of a sudden, they'll be your boss. You're in no man's land. True.

You didn't take an oath to them. I trust your judgment, Grave-Durger. Thank you. As do I. Let's move on. The fuck what are you talking about? 48 minutes, my ass. Up next is Mark Sessler with the Carolina Panthers.

There are a lot of interesting things on Reddit, by the way, not just our subreddit. Anyways, this is a troubled operation in Carolina. And I was caught off guard by what's happened over the last year plus because I was all in. And assuming that Baker Mayfield does not come to town, I have one question about a Panthers team that seems to have lost all sense of direction. Doesn't everything here boil down to, and this is not ideal? Matt Corral knocking off Sam Darnold in camp and showing up right away as a competent rookie starter. If he can't play and you get, I know that there are wavering concepts that Sam Darnold is secretly better

than he's been. But if you get last year it's Darnold all over again, everyone in charge of everything other than the owner is gone by Thanksgiving, correct? Thanksgiving?

I don't know about Thanksgiving. Well, I'm saying if things go real south, they look like last year. I think you're right. Let me carry the water for Donald. This owner is not passion-free. Let me carry just a little bit of water for Sam. Just a little bit of water.

What's the volume? Like a milliliter? Just a milliliter. That they were 3-0 and Donald was playing well when McCaffrey's body exploded again. But that's going to happen again probably. And now they have a better offensive line

and hypothetically a healthier Christian McCaffrey. That's all I'm going to say. I liked what they did. This is what I don't believe in Darnold to this point. But I will say that the fact that they didn't take a quarterback at 6 overall was smart. They focused on building that lineup, which is almost as big a problem as quarterback itself.

It couldn't have gotten any better to get Iki Akonwu. And you look at, he dropped Icky, bro. Bradley Bozeman. You had Austin Corbett. So you've got some other free agents that are looking to make this offensive line average. And then you get Corral anyways. And you didn't have to trade that much up to get into the third round to get him.

I think he's going to have a great chance to play because I just don't think Sam Darnel will play. I know he keeps getting chances. I looked at this stats. I was like, does anyone with Darnold's this, like, poor of stats start this many games in the NFL? And I look back through 2000. There have been a few. But you had to go back. Like Joey Harrington, Mark Sanchez, David Carr,

they were the only ones in the ballpark of guys with this many starts with that low of an adjusted yards per attempt. It's draft pedigree and all it took was what there was probably one team willing to do that and it was the Panthers because they were out of option. Well, and they were willing to get Baker Mayfield too. They said if the Browns would pay half his salary, they'd take them, but the Browns wouldn't. And I don't think that's a hell of a caveat, though. I don't think they should go after Baker. Forget about Baker, forget about Jimmy G. It's over now.

You're already paying Donald. See if he could play. If he fails like everyone thinks, then you put in the kid, and then you can evaluate the position, and then you have a better quarterback class. The problem is it's going to be a different coaching staff evaluating the position 12 months from now if things go the way we predict.

Yeah, the way that it's structured now, there's not a lot to feel great about. What's going to change that, though? Like, if you get bait? If Matt Corral came in and showed a... Oh, I'm dead. Or at least unconscious. Wait, that wasn't a dart?

Ooh, we used the silencer revolver there. Whoops. All right. RIP. All right. Mark was an awesome addition to the show. It was an incredible run. Let's bring him back, though.

Mark, you're back. I have returned. Like the Phoenix. What a moment for the show. All right, Lazarus is back. Let's now move on to, uh, Patrick Claibon on the Saints The Saints believe

They believe that they have a team They beat the defending champions twice In the division last year Once without a quarterback on the roster Going into the draft process I was fortunate enough to have access To some people there who I'm a break

It was great because I don't get that I don't get that And so it was fun It was fun to actually talk to people Who of course are doing so off the record But they honestly believe that they can contend. The question is there were some lingering issues.

The fan base was tortured by this idea of we're comfortable with the guys that we have in the room, especially a wide receiver. They have stepped out a little bit. Honey Badger comes in. The question ultimately, though, there's so much continuity. Mickey Loomis has been there since I was in high school. There's guys that have been, including Dennis Allen, he's been there for 12 years out of the past, however long since Loomis has been there.

But are in keeping all the continuity and keeping James and keeping the staff, are they holding onto a ghost or are they pushing forward towards something realistic in 2022? I think they're living in the present. They are a great example of the city of New Orleans. You can't worry about the future right now if you're in the city of New Orleans.

You've got to live it up right now and they're like, the future doesn't matter. It's fun to be a 10 or 11 win team. Let's do that right now and worry about the future later. Now 10 or 11 wins, maybe you see that as a stretch. They had their chances to do it last year.

And I think this roster looks better. You get Michael Thomas back. You get a great two in Olave. I think the offensive line can be okay. Trevor Penning is a big risk, I would say. But look, I think it's a loaded defense that they kept Dennis Allen because they wanted that defense to stay loaded. I think it's a pretty good-looking team. I go back to the game where they whipped Tampa Bay 9-0.

And Dennis Allen is kept around because the strength of the Saints right now and the core and who they are, their identity is their defense. Like, when I think about a team that could win this division, outside of the Bucks, it would be the Saints, obviously, because they seem to have Brady's number over and over. I mean, that's just one little thing that matters inside the South. I mean, they're incomplete. It comes down to quarterback play, everything else.

But where they're good, they're really good. I mean, their secondary is the best in the NFL. Where's their big weakness, Danny? Oh, okay. How about Sean Payton's not there anymore? Okay. I feel like we're sleeping on that a little bit in this podcast. He is, arguably, one of the best offensive minds in the sport, and now he's gone.

And Dennis Allen is now the head coach. And what was Dennis Allen as a head coach in a previous stop? I know a long, long time ago. He was terrible. It was a mess. So that would be the thing that I would be most concerned about what happens in a Sean Peyton free world. And I'm not even going to get into the Winston thing. I know the idea is that he'll build on last year before he blew out his knee.

But that's my big concern. What happens in the world where the entire universe has been. Removed. Got Andy Dalton, too. That's fair. That's the thing. Everybody's still there. So it's like a big planet.

But God, Andy Dalton, too, is not a, the most encouraging way. I'm just saying, you're not throwing Ian book out. It's Saints universe. It was Sean Payton's planet left. Okay. Right? Okay. Is the solar system in the universe?

Maybe Sean Platon, like, a super massive black hole left, right? A universe is inside a solar system. No, the other way around. Solar system. We need a timeout? Let's call time out. Yeah. There is speculations.

That's a speculation that inside of every black hole, inside of every singularity, there is a new universe, right? People have speculated that. But in theory, if we're talking about the existence of our entire universe, maybe you'd be talking about a big galaxy, like a central galaxy being Sean Payton. We needed you when we had the multiverse talk a few weeks ago. We were struggling. What if Sean Payton was the sun? And the Saints were the Solar System? No.

Because 99% of the Earth. And a solar system is the star. What about the other planets? Who were they? The other 301. In this universe, there's more than whatever, eight or not. So Sean Payton brings life, heat, and light to every team. To the Saints.

Right. And Mickey Loomis, that does not work. Mickey Loomis brings, like, salary cap chicanery. He makes the salary cap. He did that to a film franchise, right? Which would not exist without Sean Peyton. He is the universe. Mickey Loomis is clearly the Milky Way.

All right. Time it. Hibbley. Greg on the buck. I kind of forgot about the bucks in the draft. I feel like they've just been flying in under the radar, but they've made more changes, I think, than we realized this offseason.

They could have five new starters. I think Logan Hall, they took at the top of the second round, could be a starter. Logan Ryan, remember him? He's on the bucks now. Probably a starter, replacing your guy, Whitehead. You have Russell Gage.

You had a second round pick, Luke Godecke, who might be a starting guard. you brought in Shaq Mason. Man, this roster's still awesome. Like, there's no reason to think unless Tom Brady isn't as good as he was a year ago that this isn't one of the top Super Bowl contenders. I got out of that game. I don't do it anymore.

I mean, I don't either. But it is funny now. He's sustained greatness for so long, Tom, that now nobody asks it anymore. But he's turning 45 in August. But he played so well. I know. I thought he was the best quarterback in the league. But he's turning 45.

I'm not going down any other road other than saying he's turning 45 in August. His 45 isn't R-45. He stitched the TikTok with Justin Bieber this morning and people retweeting and I was like, all right, fine, let me watch this. And my first thought when seeing it was like, wow, like Tom looks a lot like Justin Bieber.

Like I legitimately thought that that was Tom Brady for a second because it just does not apply. So is he like, what is he then, like 34? Yeah. This team though, this like 12 years left? They're on year three of this. And like this roster's, Nice. I know it'd take a little while for Godwin to come back, but I look at the defensive line.

I still really like it a lot. They still might add Indomacan Sue back into the mix. I still like the second. Like everything about this team is well built and well thought out. And I even like what they did in the draft. I kind of think also, because this is not a, I think Bruce Ariens has had an awesome career and is a good coach. But that needed a change based on what we've heard that I think Tom Brady is there because of Ariens is out. And he, the week to weak processing of the offense with Byron Leftwich might be smoother. I don't feel the same way about the Bucks as I do

the Saints with the head coach switch out. I'm with you on that. I think Todd Bowles deserves the second chance. He's got a much better team. They have continuity on the offensive side of the ball with coaching and also Tom Brady who's a coach basically. His team's trying to win now, which helps when you're the head coach.

And Byron Lefich, you know, you maybe have a question at like left guard. I mean, if the biggest concern you have is like Alex Kappa left, You've had a nice little off-season. Yeah, it's weird. I don't know. I mean, we could talk about,

do you think Gronk knows that they took a tight end to the fourth round? Like, does he literally know right now? No. I don't think that's the kind of stuff he's concerned with in early May. I don't think he's doing, like, breakdowns of Cade Otten. He's probably doing, like, whippets by the sea right now. Julian Edelman to the Bucks? Well, no.

Audible groan. He's probably cooked. He's an Emmy nominee. Got to keep him on showtime. Showtime. Showtime. I don't think I've watched anything on Showtime since Wild Things in 1998. Yellow Jacket movie. I did see Yellow Jacket, so it was very good.

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hollywood brown kiler murray totally baited out of his social media campaign for cash but might get anyway if it doesn't stage some sort of pretentious holdout a few months from now. They're in a division with the feisty, better coach-niners, and a Rams team that dropped a scud missile on the Cardinals in the playoffs. DeAndre Hopkins is dust until mid-season. They

play the AFC West. Outside of the fact that much of the NFC sort of rots, where's the optimism around this team? I don't think they are a playoff chance because the NFC is sort of top heavy with a bunch of junk otherwise. But have I been too tough on the flying creatures who are red?

Did you mention the DeAndre Hopkins suspension? I said DeAndre Hopkins is dust until mid-season. Dust. Like snapped away. Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to be overly negative about this team, but everything just feels like it's not going to go well for them this year. And that's before you even get into the posturing on social media with Murray and whether this is actually going to work out or is he going to disappear.

Honestly, that's the place that I start. Like, why did this even happen? like why are you trying to save what was the goal in trying to save what like four or five million dollars in a negotiation with your franchise quarterback right that you took a year after taking another guy you thought was going to be your franchise quarterback like all those decision makers were still there like so so what what did we ultimately gain from all this i don't know that they did i think you are probably being too hard though mark i mean i'm not saying they're a four win team i just i i don't know what all right over under eight and a half wins over because i don't I do think you still have Kyla. After all that, I just sensed something a little bit, an aura of disappointment around them. My bigger concern is that Cliff Kingsbury has not shown a lot of creativity. The whole idea behind his office is like, we're going to do the same thing every down and every week and we're just going to be better at it than people.

You probably, you know, we're going to execute. Absolutely. But like DeAndre Hopkins lines up in the exact same place every time. Like, they're not mixing that up. And they don't execute better as the season goes along. And more importantly, they haven't developed very well on defense either. They drafted Isaiah Simmons. You drafted Zaven Collins a year ago.

You haven't gotten – like, in general, I haven't seen this team develop young players. Other than Kyler Murray, who are the young players that the Cliff Kingsbury era has developed? Nobody. I think they have a nice defensive coach in Vance Joseph in terms of like game planning everything. But I don't know. Especially all those young receivers that came in at the same time as Kyler. It's like, what happened there? And again, they extended Cliff, right?

They extended Cliff without doing any public posturing. It was just like, oh, hey, man, we know it's been disappointing. Here's your extension. Steve Kime through 2027. Aren't your best quarterback supposed to get better and better as the season goes along? I'll take that. That one hit Mark. Right in the ear.

The world champion Los Angeles Rams. Where do we come down on the Rams? Are they better? Are they worse than? after that second Sunday in February? Do we feel like this is a team that could run it back? Are they more that classic? We got hot.

We won a chip. And then we kind of just faded the next season. We'll see. But I do, I wonder about the offensive line. Stafford is not an incredibly mobile quarterback. He's another year older. Andrew Whitworth retires. Austin Corbett signs with the Panthers and free agency.

I know you have your guy in-house that you move to left tackle. I'm blanking on his name. Joe No. Boom. Joe No, boom. And you got Logan Bruss out of the draft. So there you go. You address that.

But I think how that offensive line comes together is highly important. And then I wonder about O'Dell. Is O'Dell coming back? Because I do see a hole when you say goodbye to Robert Woods like they did in this offense without it. They did add Alan Robinson, who I think, you know, could be they, they go get these guys. Right. But I feel like the, I know they seem to have a fetish for Van Jefferson. I feel like they're one guy short.

I mean, you know, not to go off topic, but there is the O'Dell Beckham portrait along the hallways here at NFL Network, which they repainted from a Browns uniform to a Rams. So if he doesn't come back to that Rams, that painter we have up on floor three is going to have to repaint the uniform of third time. That guy is being contracted. So he gets another phone call and another $800. So he's pulling.

That's all he's making for that? Eight rocks. That's not bad. It's worth it. Because considering the impact that O'Dell had on this team last year, That's why it's tough for me to say that they're better while he's not there. Also, you know, Vaughn's going to the Hall of Fame. Vaughn had an incredible playoff run.

You can make the case. That's why they didn't have a second or third round pick, not that they would do anything different. And so it's difficult for me to say, especially looking back at the Super Bowl, going back and watching it, the Bengals plan for O'Dell and Cooper on the field at the same time was, hey, I hope Joe scores some points.

They weren't stopping them. Like, Odell getting hurt changed the course of that game. And I'm not there. I can't say they're better. I'm not saying they're bad. Eight rocks for two hours of work, by the way, for that contractor. It takes longer than two hours, by the way. He works quickly.

I think they might be better. I mean, not than they were in the playoffs necessarily, but just overall. A lot of defending champs, even if they don't finish the job, come out pretty hot. The Patriots, I mean, remember the pay, even that lousy 2018 title relatively defense, they start out seven and no. Last year, the bucks come out hot. I think they're going to be ready to roll. You added enough new blood with, like, Bobby Wagner. You trade for Troy Hill during the draft.

from Cleveland for a fifth round pick, which I think was a sneaky big move for them. They needed cornerbacks and they got a starter for basically nothing. It's the type of smart moves that they make time after time. And every off season we go into it being like, I don't know about this Rams offensive line, except for that one year in 2019, they're always like really good anyways. They always figure it out with coaching. Like I have a lot of faith in this team. And Whitworth was such an anchor of that whole squad for years.

That's fair. Um, how about this, Mark? Like a squid game scenario? The guy comes in, you have two hours to repaino Del Beckham. If you fail, floor opens up. He drops into a inferno. He finishes, ding, ding, ding, ding. I'd watch that.

$800. $800. But then you kill the painter and you've got like a half Rams jersey. It doesn't seem like enough money. I think that's like less than he probably would make any. And he's facing the risk of death. It was class warfare. What financial calamity did he fall into to have to take?

this deal. Cost him like $96 to fill up his truck gas tank to get here. Listen, there are a lot of people listening. I would like it, $800. But you don't understand painting. You don't understand painting. Yeah, but you and your painting would be terrible.

Understand painting. No, it's not that's not how much. Is that what you think? Is that what you think painting sounds? It's a little. Doop, doop, doop. You were so far removed from the trade. Done.

No darts because that was not about the team at all. Yeah, that's fun. Thank you. Look at you. All right. What team did we just do, Mark? That was the L.A. Rams.

Get them. Gotcha. All right. Seahawks. Craig. You know that tweet, the Kevin Clark tweet, oh, there's never a normal Seahawks game?

I feel like there's never a normal Seahawks draft until this one. It was like a normal. Oh. Very chalky. They usually do like really weird things. Instead, they got Charles Cross, who I think the Jets would have taken at 10. I think a lot of teams were excited about him.

A top three tackle at the very least. Some people had him as a top tackle. They needed to replace Dwayne Brown. You get another potential starting tackle in one of DJ's favorites, Abe Lucas, in the third round. Kenneth Walker, yeah, it's a running back in the second round, but it's the Seahawks. That's what they do. Him and Rashad Penny, nice combo. Boy, Moffey, got a lot of comparisons to Michael Bennett during the process.

another one of those edge rushers that I think because this class was so deep, got pushed down, very athletic. It just, it all looked good. It all made sense. I think it's, if they're rebuilding, this was a good start. That's it. Like, they're doing the Lions thing where you don't have to get the quarterback right away. Let's start getting some young blood in here and see what we can build for that next quarter. They also did not trade away D.K. Metcalfe. And it sounds like he's going to get signed to a long-term deal. He said so. That's also telling you this isn't a full-on rebuild, but I am already bored to tears with the quarterback situation

if they don't go get Baker Mayfield. I cannot process having to watch that. The Lions at Seahawks is not an apples-to-apples comparison with the quarterback situation. The Lions very clearly were taking the long game. Do you get the feeling that Pete Carroll, it's 70 years old, is like, all right, let's start building this thing from the ground up.

Not a five-year rebuilt. I think they expect to contend. And that's why I was so surprised they didn't take a quarterback. I mean, I know it wasn't a great. Lock and Gino Smith more than most people. Does Pete like the Broncos just learned this lesson there? Does Pete really like quarterbacks that much at all anyway? That was my confusing thing about the draft is you get Charles Cross out of a Mike Leach team

who's dropping back, right, 65 million times. But I know Pete wants to run the ball. And so I guess if the evaluation showed that Charles Cross brings what they want to the run game, then similar with Abe Lucas, too. They were kind of like an ARA team. It's almost like he's pivoted to the whole other. end of the spectrum where whether he wants a good quarterback or not he wants one who is not

powerful and not mouthy and so he's gone and found two very powerless then Baker's not coming but my thought was Baker's going to be there because I think at the end of the day Carol is going to want someone with a little more upside than what he has there's buzz there though that it's just like it's not about his play

necessarily that they just they don't want him right I think they've made that clear because they could have had him for virtually nothing and they didn't they don't so the entire league doesn't want him but he would make the Seahawks better. On Fox Sports One or whatever. Oh, that's true.

Well, I said he would wind up there. Now, let's see. For a fourth. If precious Gino Smith like twisted an ankle in the preseason, and maybe they do it then. If it's Baker or Drew Lark, if the quarterback in Seattle has more pass attempts this year than Russell Wilson had last year,

then sound all kinds of alarms. It's going to be Gina. Dart my ass. It is such a peacock move to trade Russell Wilson, then draft two tackles or two linemen and a running back. he's all in he's like i'm back baby this is my team i'll take the dart i like to imagine i like to imagine a comma after dart my ass close us out uh patrick claibon with the niners uh the niners and this debo circumstance which makes you wonder about what is what's the actual we saw with the titans

and a j brown like you have a player that's transcendent that sells a lot of jerseys it's had a lot of success there. Why do you wait? Why do you wait to pay them, especially after such a great season? And then you wonder if that is because of this lingering contract situation with Jimmy G. And so that's really the only question that I have, and we kind of touched on it earlier, because it's going to determine if he goes and when he goes, because circumstances are going to change for some quarterback, for some team in the league. Would that team, whoever it is, rather have Jimmy G. or Baker Mayfield? I'm with you 100% from the financials because all the money you need is sitting on Jimmy G's in his direct deposit.

It's $21 million they can clear if they move on from them. They just seem like they kind of don't give an F about what we think or anyone else thinks about the quarterback position, about Debo Samuel, about everything. I see a scenario where they're content to go into the year with Jimmy G. and Trey Lance and maybe even start Jimmy G. Again, if he wins the summer competition. I'm curious if any of that other Debo reporting out there is legit about not liking the area

of the country, about not liking how he was used in the offense. I'm working under the assumption that that's all typical stuff but it's just like pay me. Right. He's refollowed them on Instagram. He has refollowed the 49. If it's simply a matter of pay, pay that man.

You don't want to trade him. You made it clear during the whole pre-draft ramp up. Anybody that asked about it, you basically asked for the entire organization in return. So now just find some money between the cushions and let's go. I could be wrong I think the AJ Brown move might have helped. And yeah, they don't have a lot of cap space,

and that's where the Jimmy G thing comes in. But you don't need to have a huge cap number if you just give them a big guarantee, push it into the future. 25 a year for A.J. Brown, okay, so what's that sets of price? Debo is maybe worth a little more than that. And I think they could be comfortable getting that done. They just maybe weren't ready for it in April. But if you plan on giving Debo between 60 and 100 carries,

like Derek Henry, you could make an easy case that he is the best runner of the football in the NFL, right? but who is lining up to pay Derek Henry, as horrible as it is. So for Debo's situation, you look at, say, in A.J. Green, right? Who's made 25% of his career salary in the past five years. Like, those last few years of a receiver's career are very important to make money. And if they're going to be bashing him into the ground, then they're going to need to pay him for it. So that's where I think the how I'm used. Might be why they use a third round pick, not directly related to Debo, but they keep taking running backs.

I think they used Debo as a running back because they had to. No one was healthy and that was... He was on board with the two, by the way. Right. The part of that story is a noisy... They knew that they only needed like a B-minus Jimmy G to make the Super Bowl, and they didn't get that. They got like a D-minus, but that's what they were trying to do.

He'd be such a badass in that role. What's... Dartme? What is Jimmy G's market on May 5th? I think it's if a quarterback... It's none right now, but if someone... gets hurt. So that's where we're at now. I think with Baker Mayfield, too,

unless someone's going to see Baker Mayfield's salary. That's interesting. I would have never predicted that, that he would be... Can't throw until July. So it's like, I think actually they could work out for the Niners because you get great value.

That one went by me under my armpit to get Dan in the stomach. Yeah, he's foaming at the mouth. Oh! All right, Patrick, you said it all. I don't think anyone can be upset this episode. We covered every team pretty well. I was going to ask you, like, did we screw anybody? Should we go back and talk about the Colts a little bit?

Or the Texans, I don't know. That rewards petulance, and we won't do that here. Good call. Patrick, what do you got coming up? Where can we find you? The final episode of Path to the Draft for the 2022 draft is coming up tomorrow right here. Now it's a path from the draft. Yeah, this is it.

This is the path away. We're not going to do a way too early mock draft because those things are hilarious when you look back at them. But we're just going to breaking it down. It's like a top 10 pick at this point last year. It's tough sitch. He may start. He may be started. So it is still path to the draft.

You're talking 2020. That is the official name of the show. It is not Jane. Draft grade. But you're not looking back. No, it's still the path to the draft. But you're looking back. Yeah.

It sounds like you haven't arrived there yet, though. But there, as much time as we devoted to the draft, but there is still stuff from the path that we can cover. No, it's one path. You just pass the draft. Now you're back on the path to another draft. Well, then you're looking forward. I know, Danis, it's a path away from the draft.

They should rebrand it this week. How about it so easy, the graphic, you take the, like, the red market scroll. Bingo. Boom, boom, two, and then put, like, put in from, like, scrabble. See, you're all about artists having to destroy their work and redo it today. You get two hours, and then you fall into the inferno. It's like, can you do it? And then I'm like, I can do it.

For $800, absolutely. Boop, boop, pooh, why not die? Pop, boops, oops. Bing. Pay me. I don't know why that gets you mad, but I love it, Mark. I just don't think that you understand how painting works. I don't think that this is how Dan thinks painting works.

You know what I mean? I have nothing else to go on. At one point, I used a ding in my painting. Right. I would nominate Mark, though. I don't know what Claibon's artistic proclivities are here. But I think Mark would be the guy if one of us needed to go. Two hours on the clock?

OBJ, out in the hallway. or else all of us go into the pit. I'm nominated Mark because he's got a lot of great artistic talent within it. With the clock. I'm worried about the clock. I wouldn't be. I could absolutely nail that assignment. As much as I trust and appreciate you, it wouldn't come to that.

They'd have to kill me before I'd be in the pit circumstance. So that's just that. I'm fighting. Did you see Squid Games? I did. And the whole time, like most things, I'm like, all right, guys, this is where we unite and rise up and destroy the oppressor. But they never do that. They never do.

Yeah, they did. Spoiler alert, sorry. Like, Claibon was just waiting for, like, episode four, union meeting. Yeah, that's it. All right, Patrick, thank you very much. Thank you to Henry Hodgson. Thank you to the Grave Digger, Randy Chavez, for helping us out. We will be back.

Well, I'm going on vacation. I'm out of here. You guys figure it out next week. Clayvonne, you might be back. Everybody. I think we're going to be bringing you back. I'll see you on the other side. Bye, Dale.

Until then, heed the call. I'm going to be able to be. Thank you.