NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2022 Presumed Truths: NFL Cognoscenti or CONnoscenti??

Episode Date: May 17, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news in the NFL, starting with the report that NFL officials will meet with DeShaun Watson this week regarding the allegations he faces, with a resolution from the league potentially on the horizon (6:00). Jaire Alexander signed an extension with Green Bay (12:00) and Jarvis Landry is heading to New Orleans (16:30). Drew Brees is out as an analyst at NBC (20:00), the Dolphins signed Melvin Ingram (27:00), the Falcons made a few roster moves (28:00), and a report came out that David Tepper and the Panthers are eyeing Sean Payton as a possible head coach option for 2023 (34:00). Then, the heroes dive into presumed truths by the NFL cognoscenti and try to debunk the group-think assumptions we all currently hold for the upcoming 2022 season (35:00). Note: Timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is mentally still on a beach in Mexico. It's true. From the Chris Wessling podcast studio, it's around the NFL. I'm the guy still in Mexico, Dan Hansis. Here are some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. And it was just, I was just made aware that even though I was on vacation, the world went on. Right.

I mean, I wasn't in Mexico. Ooh, excuse me. I'm not ready for this. I've only been to Mexico a few times, and I drove across the border those times. Bad-ass boys drive bad-ass toys. Actually, I also went into Mexico. In that voyage, I went from Colorado to, in theory, L.A., we got stuck in Arizona, but we dipped into Tijuana for a bit. And some unspeakable things occurred.

Now, we've been told last time I mentioned Colorado not to bring up Colorado anymore. Really? Or is that Arizona? I think that was Arizona. Camp happiness was in Colorado, so he's happy to tell you. You're incorrect about that, Greg. Greg has a factual history based on no facts. Camp happiness was a place of Mark's adolescence.

Camp Jewel. Into Yule. Now, see, Greg actually. asked a question about it during our with greg and i spent almost the whole weekend together i'll tell you that much really yeah we did a lot of good quality time we were down at the uh the wolf mansion and then we saw you at kish's on on sunday night so it was it was a nice very nice around the nfl uh weekend and i'd like to say that i missed you guys i did miss you guys while i was on vacation but i mean to some degree when you guys are digging into you know is the a fc east fourth place schedule

actually harder than the NFC North's first place schedule while I'm toes in the sand sipping on mescal down in Mexico I don't think I didn't miss I didn't miss some things of what I missed put it that way I feel like you stumbled into that but now it's going to become an every year thing like Dan missed schedule release week

and now suddenly that's going to become his thing what no one else can leave schedule release week I don't like that trend you know what it was okay it's a it's an easy show fans yeah fans love it we got you know rachel benet you're dismissing the the great guests we had on that because obviously it's a big show here i'm not sure if i'm dismissing rachel benetta and claven came on and colina was great we had a ball you had rach on the show we had a ball it was a it was a robust enterprise and rachel was on the show and i know there was that controversy she declared vengeance on

you and i imagine my co-host on the show came to my defense on the program absolutely not sure I was somewhat confused by it I was saying we're here right now what more inner circle do you want this is the show that was all I said about it I think it's assumed we defend would defend you we don't need to say anything

she was a little offended that you weren't here yeah she thought that was somehow I like that part of it yeah okay good well like Rachel you had Claibon involved Connie Fox of course that's great we got a nice show

today we got another show coming up later in the week we got a nice guest coming up later Mark you are heading out yonder won't even ask where you're going won't tell you this is your last show of the week so let's make it count uh and um coming up a little bit later there are certain presumed truths of the NFL cognizante this time of year post free agency post draft uh and I say we deep we debunk some of those presumed truths. Because sometimes the concente is actually the con yesente.

Nailed it. That's usually where a Dan sound drop comes in. I thought there was a special conness. Sometimes you just let that one sit. It's a Dan hands us, shout out. Thank you, Paul Rudd. But first, let's do some news. Zach looks good.

He's definitely hit the way room. It looks beefy. In a good way, in a good way. Well, you can tell Dan is back. He's wearing a Zach Wilson is good shirt. Maybe that's number one on your Connoissente list that Zach Wilson is good because I don't think the cognizante is on that yet. No, but I will say this about Zachie.

He was a little boy last year in every way physically. That's a trope all the way. Obviously, off-season guy beefs up. But he really needed to beef up. And I hope that's true. And it does look a little like a little thick boy now. He looks slight. He looks like a thick boy.

I think it's time for him maybe to grow a big beard or something. T-H-I-C-K. He still looks like a child. So are we going to the T-H-I-C-C, B-O-I? That's the only, no, T-H-I-C-C. B-O-I. B-O-I. I'm in love.

Yeah. If he turns into a thick boy, I feel like if Zach Wilson were on any other team, you would be shredding him. But because he's on the Jets, somehow the way he presents himself is getting praised. It's good to be back. Let's get into it. Yeah, let's talk about your quarterback, Marky. I don't have a quarterback.

Sorry, you're almost quarterback. Sports Illustrator, it's Albert Breer. Bert Breer believes the NFL is likely, quote, wrapping things up, close quote, in the Deshawn, Watson investigation. NFL reporter Josina Anderson reported that league officials are meeting with Watson this week in Texas after a lengthy investigation into more than 20 allegations of sexual assault against the former Texans quarterback signed to a massive guaranteed deal by the Browns after a trade in March. Breer says that the NFL investigators usually talk to the player last. So here we are. Here we are with this stage.

And it makes sense at a certain point. Everyone needs to know what's the situation is to Sean Watson. You really did get me thinking, Greg, a couple weeks ago when we were talking about this. I was thinking, oh, you know, he'll probably get dinged hard here. But now, I don't know, the more I think about it. And it's like, is this going to be a slap on the wrist relatively? And what's that going to mean? And what's that story going to be in the league?

How do you feel about this? And this does seem like it's coming down now, finally. Yeah, I don't have any. predictions or any feel of how this is going to go. And NFL discipline has been very hard to predict over the last 10 years, just in general. But I just thought this story is certainly noteworthy that it is likely wrapping up and it is time for it to wrap up. The civil lawsuits are not going to be wrapping up according to the timeline that we've seen.

Like if there's going to be a trial, they're still going through all these processes. It could last through the year. It could last into next year. So the NFL by medium seems to be indicating they are not on that timeline. Pro football talk put out different possibilities. One could be a suspension and maybe they'll be more later or not a suspension and maybe they'll be more later. But either way, this is the biggest X factor of the 2022 season.

It's like, yeah, it's uncomfortable to talk about it. I don't think there's a ton of analysis, but it's absolutely the most important piece of information that we don't know about this upcoming season. and we have no idea what Watson's availability is going to be like. And I would think that that has to be coming to a head soon. Yeah, I mean, the reason I think everyone's saying it's coming soon is because this is how these investigations play out. They do all their work and they go to the subject,

typically of the investigation, as the final note in the case. And then we will probably at some point, and who knows this could be a little bit down the road, but it feels like a nice summertime Friday news dump when they drop their result on this. And, you know, the other thing I know, noticed about this, is that Deshaun Watson right now has flown 30 members of the Browns offense to the Bahamas. And that's fine. You know what that tells me is that the players

don't care at all about any of this. It's just like their teammates now and they're signing up to this. I mean, not that I expected them to, but it's like when you go into the actual walk room. Yeah. What are you going to do at that point? I know, I guess so. And like I see more and more of the fan base drifting back to the team if there were issues as well. So, It tells me that guaranteed money that first the signing bonus hit. Not that he was doing poorly before. Or does he go to the Bahamas and never return with the guaranteed money? That's another option.

I mean, do the Brown say, hey, let's lay low on some type of extravagant Bahamas trip when this is still pending right now? I mean, they don't seem to care, do they? There are elements of the story, like the headline on ESPN.com really, you know, just like this bottomless sinkhole of filth. Sources, Colin DeShon Watson, to meet with NFL, comma, also will bring Cleveland Brown's offensive teammates to Bahamas to Bond. Just the story is just still so sloppy and messy and unfortunate, obviously, as well.

And it's funny, like I tweeted about that headline and I thought it was kind of notable in my replies that there are a lot of Browns fans like you, Mark, that were turned off by the organization and have turned their back on them. There are a lot of Browns fans that I'm sure don't feel good about this at all and are kind of laying low because what do you say? But then there's the whether it's a minority or the majority

of the other type of Browns fans are like, whatever, shut up you baby, I'm happy. My quarterback's here. We got a QB1 now. And that, again, there's so many levels to the story.

Browns fans are such a great fan base and a franchise that everyone was kind of intrinsically rooting for that now those type of boneheads, those bozos are like the mouthpiece of the organization on social media. It just got Mark, we talked about this privately, too.

There's so many layers of the story that are disappointing and what it meant, what is means to the Browns as an organization, both in the short and the long term, we're just beginning to see it. Yeah, and it's funny because as we were walking in here, NFL Network was replaying the pretty crazy Browns Chargers game from last season where, you know, the Browns put up a ton of points

and barely lost to another great offense in Los Angeles. And, man, that feels like a long time ago. It was kind of the last great Baker Mayfield moment because we certainly didn't leave. that game being like Baker? Baker's a problem. He was sensational through large parts of the game, but he had a chance to win it and he couldn't. And I think that's part of the DNA of why he's not with the team right now. I do think it's interesting that Ian Rappaport on Pat McAfee, even this week, and he said this twice now, and I don't understand how this could ever happen, that it makes

sense. He's not saying this would happen, but it would make sense at some point for Baker-Mayfield and the Browns if Deshawn Watson is suspended for a long time to just basically put it behind them, come play, get his money, and maybe get traded mid-season if he plays well. I mean, it makes logical sense that he would be an upgrade over the guy that's in the house and he's already under contract and he doesn't have any value. All that makes sense. I guess that's probably what Ian's coming from on that. But obviously, it's a poison relationship on so many levels.

Jake Briscuit's starting those games if Watson is out. Let's now talk some contract news and let's do it with a little time for news and notes And contract heat, presented by Upwork, where you can build the team that will build your business. Learn more at Upwork.com. The Packers couldn't find a way to make it work with Devante Adams, but they do with Jair Alexander, the cornerback. He signs a four-year, $84 million contract extension that includes $31 million in 2022, and a cornerback record, $30 million signing bonus. You may remember when Jalen Ramsey got the bag a year or two ago,

and that was $20 million in annual pay. So cornerbacks, Mark, not the hottest market earlier in free agency, but we're seeing this now with some deals with some in-house superstars, Denzel Ward and other getting paid by the teams that know how important they are to their defense. Yeah, and the beat writers covering the Packers, they were on this months ago. They knew this was happening. This is something Green Bay wanted to do. I know that Alexander missed all, but four games of the regular season came back to play in the playoffs,

which actually earned a ton of street cred with the coaches, with his teammates. Aaron Rogers called him one of the most interesting players he's ever been around. So he's beloved in the locker room. The team loves them. And if you look at this secondary, because I know we've talked about the Saints. We've talked about the Ravens as, you know, top one, two secondaries in the league right now. This Packers team is there because you've got Eric Stokes, Darnel, Sack. Adrian Amos,

Razul Douglas, who blew up last year. There's a lot to like here. And you may get to the point where this would be a weird sight. The defense might finally and slowly have a small edge over the offense on this team. I think this was a top eight coverage unit a year ago. And I think they could be better if Alexander plays the whole year. I think so. I think on paper they have one of the better defenses in the league.

And the Alexander contract was interesting to me for the money purposes because the cornerbacks got to be seeing these wide receivers making all this money. And to me, Jaira Alexander is absolutely at the same level of an A.J. Brown, and he's not far off of a Devante Adams. Like, he should be potentially the highest paid cornerback in the league. And he is basically, but it's still way below the wide receiver numbers. I think it's Eric Eager does this war-type value stat at PFF. He had Jayir Alexander as the most valuable cornerback in the league in 2020.

So that's the type of player he is. Cornerbacks aren't making that sort of money yet. But the Packers showed like it wasn't about money with Devante Adams. You mentioned that. Like they could have gotten that done. They still have one of the most amount of cap space in the entire league. And yet they're spending a ton of cash. They're like in the top five.

So all those little fake, what is it, the stock sales that they do where they just like print cash? and everyone gives them $100. It's not fake. Those are all part owners of the Green Bay Packers. Well, it must be helping because they're, you know, they're a small market and they're spending more cash than just about anyone. And this is a smart way to be spending your money, a player you know that is this good.

He is one of the best. You're pretty plugged in on the salary cap stuff. And if you're telling me, they still could have had a way to keep Devante Adams in the building. I still, I don't buy it to it. Listen, they lost. But Ian, actually on that same appearance, I heard him talking about, they offered Devante Adams more cash in the,

first two years of his deal than the Raiders did. Adams wanted to go to the show. He just wanted out. And it was like the highest receiver contract of all time. So what are you going to do? Maybe it could have been handled a little more deftly in the earlier stages of his career with the team. But whatever. Maybe he just wasn't meant to be. And it was not the defense

that knocked them out of the playoffs last year. They gave up two field goals in the NFC divisional playoffs. There was a blocked punt and then Aaron Rogers in the offense with Devante Adams peed down their legs. If you knew that, would you not have bet your house? Dan, that you own in a .

Well, the bank owns it. Well, okay, but I mean, would you not... If you knew that's what they were going to give up that kind of defensive performance, there was no way they lose that game. I was locking up my lock title. I locked up the pack. I said, this is in the bag.

Oh, yeah, that's right. And I needed a late Rams touchdown to hold on to the trophy. That was a stunning locked defeat because, yeah, that didn't make any sense. I keep his town location in there and let people just investigate. If you're in the area or if you're not and you want to come to the area? In other news, Jarvis Landry is now a member of the Saints.

The Saints signed the former Brown and Dolphin Wide Receiver. So he now slots in nicely. Slot, nailed it. Michael Thomas, Chris Alave, the rookie, Jarvis Landry. And I think the thing that really jumps out to a lot of people, Gregi, was the money. Rapsheet reported that Landry's base salary is just $3 million. $10. Tom Pelliseros said it's worth up to $6 million. That's a great deal for a very good wide receiver.

Yeah, there clearly was very little market for Jarvis Landry. I don't think O'Dell, Beckham will be the same. I'm curious if the Saints might try to keep this LSU thing going and bring in OBJ still after getting Honey Badger in Landry. But I'm really thinking the Saints team looks pretty good on paper. I mean, they won a lot of games last year with some pretty lousy quarterback play. Maybe James isn't going to be much better coming off the torn ACL or not, but suddenly you go from Marcus Calloway being your number one receiver, and he did get over 800 yards. The Marcus Calloway being your number four receiver behind those three guys you mentioned.

And that's a nice setup with a really good looking defense. Yeah, they handled their needs and their, you know, their thin position groups as well as anyone. There's something about the Saints because this was a, you know, in a year where suddenly you don't have maybe a home run at quarterback, their attitude was we're going for it. We're going back to the playoffs. We're going to knock Tom Brady and the Bucks out of

one of those two regular season games, if not both like last year. Jarvis Landry totally fits, and he's already tweeting at Odell Beckham, and I think that has real sway. The idea that, you know, they were together in Cleveland, it went sour, to go to the Saints, their hometown, and bring back Honey Badger. There's something about

this New Orleans team that is spicy as I look for a team to root for maybe just in spirit for a year they are in the top three for me at this point and they have a lot of cap space too they cleared all that space for Watson and then didn't get them so weirdly they have a lot and they're another team I like

teams that are just trying to win like you don't always have to take a huge step back they won you know they had a winning record last year and I think they should again if you are a Saints fan this year they were a finalist for Deschone Watson

I'm just going to say. Right. Well, you're right. I'm not trying to be some sort of school in the arm about the whole thing. The Browns thing to me, that was a, if it was a cake, that is a big part of the cake. And there were other things in that whole Browns thing that I had soured on. It is this weird thing because, like, you know, we know Saints fans. And there was a lot that were rooting against Watson.

But the second that you don't get him, it's like, well, it didn't matter. Like, yeah, they went for him, but they didn't get him. He's not the guy you have to root for. See what Dan's saying, though, because it's – Dan has a point, though, because it is – it makes you look like you're all over the map, so – And it is a little bit of a Saints fan club in here, and I'm sorry that I'm not part of it. But I think everything they've done and the roster looks good. I think the division is certainly competitive. They have a chance to win that division, but questions of quarterback and head coach are –

that's fair to ask how that's all going to work together in 2022. But other than that, the roster's pretty good. Quarterback and head coach are not small things. things to have pretty big. Yeah, looking good except for

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at Upwork.com. All right, Drew Breeze is done, yeah, speaking of Saints and legends and maybe the quarterback in 2022,

Drew Breeze is out at NBC. By the way, big guest booking this week, Andrew Marchan, who's taken the sports media

beat, and he's just, It's like a dog with a bone. And if anybody even comes near the bone, he flashes those teeth and the people run away. The other dogs run away. It's notable that it's almost all NFL bones. It's not the other, no one seems to care about who's announcing the baseball game of the week

or the NBA playoffs for the most part. Am I wrong? I think he does that stuff, though. No, he does. But does it get on any of, you guys follow all this. Does it get on your radar? We'll talk about it with Andrew, but it's a perfect storm where he's definitely plugged in.

And this just happens to be. this revolution in that industry of announcers being paid like star quarterbacks now. It's just like, it's his beat. Yeah. It's his beat. What is the,

what is this drop? It feels like a sort of a revolutionary war. Amissive. It's a missive from Drew Brees. Thank you. I had asked Grave Digger behind the scenes about 47 seconds ago on our I.M client to have

the missive music ready. And then he played it. it and I didn't know what it was. So that little vacation fog there. Right. I could have learned from you. One thing I missed out on when I was in the host chair was to check my computer. I forgot a complete

segment with Connie on the show because I didn't check Graver's I-M's ones. You should do that thing where you get in the host's ear? You could have done that. I'd blow out his ear drum. I wasn't sure if Greg was just like, well, we've been going for an hour, so I'll just skip the segment. You don't know. It's unpredictable

turf. I thought you did an excellent job those days and today. No, it was not on you. It was on me. All right. So, that's a great point, Mark. There you go, Mark. Just fishing for that. All right. Breeze is 43 years old. He retired from football last March, spent last season

as an NFL analyst for NBC. The musical chairs game that we're going to get into with Marchand left him without his seat. So he tweeted Sunday in response to the New York Post, Andrew Marchan article. Marshawn is well, I'll save it for it tomorrow.

I'll save it for this week. Here we go, later this week. Here we go. Here's what Breeze had to say. Now the missive music. It's really kind of caught me off guard there too. He was just trying to push the show a lot. Yeah, he was.

He was trying to get me to my meeting. Despite speculation from media about my future this fall, I'm currently undecided. I may work for NBC. I may play football again. I may focus on business and florent. This is always a tough one. Philanthropy.

I may train for the pickleball tour. Senior golf tour, coach my kids are all the above. I'll let you know. That laughter was my laughter in editorial note. So, and then Dennis Allen, speaking of Dennis Allen, said of that cryptic tweet, it was likely made in jest about a potential return to football. We could save the analysis of his broadcasting career for later in the week. But do you guys think there's any way we see Breeze again on the field?

No, because I think, A, the Saints don't sound interested on any level. I think that what we saw of Drew Brees was the right time for him to leave the field. The only thing I'll say about broadcasting real quick is I won't be here for that one, is that that tweet is a point-blank explanation of why Drew Brees is not going to be with NBC anymore. He is not funny. He is not interesting. I don't find that quote in any way entertaining. Right. I don't think he was joking. Also, the tweet before it was about signing O'Landrie and Honey Badger,

and he said, makes me want to come back and play again. I mean, this doesn't seem that subtle, but I'm with Mark. I don't think there's much of a chance that he will play because the Saints are the only team that you could imagine him playing with, and they seem to be putting out the word through the reporters and even Allen's comments that they're just not that interested. The fact that he started it with, I may work for NBC, after the report was that they are moving on

was a tough, a tough scene, it felt like. It reminded me that, you know that drill tweet where it gets retweeted a lot? It's about a decade old where it's like, I'm not owned. I'm not owned. I continue to insist as I slowly shrink and transform into a corn cup. She's like, that's the meme that Drew Breeze.

He's like, I'm not owned. I'm not owned. I was not fired. Like, yeah, it was a bad year. But you also, you know, there's something that said about developing your talent and he didn't give much, get much run. I guess they just got a bad vibe. Can I make one little note about the missive

music? Yes. Could you just play it for a second? Because I just want you to think about this. This is like I'm not saying this was recorded during the Revolutionary War. It's obviously a new band has come and done this. But in real wartime scenarios, there were boys that tasked with wearing like the tight clothing

and playing on a flute while everyone else has a gun. They're taking a cannonball out of the gut. It's like you're walking around with a musical instrument on a war field. It sounds like a One of the worst possible tasks, a job you could have. Now, what is it about the tight clothing on the small boys that really stands out in your mind? No, that's not maybe what's standing out so much. They were all in that clothing, but it's like you're in your ward regalia.

Everyone else is getting a musket and like, you know, a hand revolver and, you know, a club or whatever. And then you're like, here's a flute. Get to the front of the line. And by the way, we're also here for our enemy's entertainment. Let us play music for them as well. It just feels slightly off key. I wonder, I would definitely watch a Netflix documentary on that. Not that any of the participants are with us to tell us how it really worked.

But you would imagine they would take the physically weaker soldiers, maybe the more musically inclined, but not most athletically gifted. The artist. Yeah, maybe the, you know, the offshoot of the NFL painter here that you always talk about. It has to finish it in two hours or less. Potentially us. He's coming back for that, Odell, on the Saints painting soon. Yeah, no, that's absolutely fair, Mark.

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Edge. I think he was on a, he was a grape beer too. So he comes out of gray beard purgatory to sign with the dolphins, formerly of the Chiefs. You like that move, Gregi? I do. I think he could wind up starting for them. Their top three, I'm banging through the projected starter series. The NFC is going out this week, AFC next week.

I believe they have Andrew Van Ginkle and Jalen Phillips, who actually that's a good young duo, but Ingram comes in there. Those three probably share the snaps. It's a good-looking roster on paper. this Dolphins team, and I think that was one of their biggest weaknesses, so that was a nice move. All right. Oh, you got something else.

No, I was pointing to you to, you can, you say, we have business to do. You can keep going. I thought Greg did a great job with that. But now, because we had that miscommunication, it's filling in the void what would have been a take for review. That would have lengthened the show unnecessarily. We need to do another 1,400 shows to get that kind of thing ironed out. Uh, Jerry Judy, legal trouble.

Colorado Sheriff has announced that Jerry Judy's arrest this week or last week is on second degree criminal tampering with a domestic violence enhancer. The sheriff's department in Arapaho County, Colorado. Arapahoe. Thank you. Arapaho. Listen, he's a native. I actually lived on Arapaho Road for a bit.

There was no act of violence before Judy's arrest on the charges, and he will be released on bond or has been released on bond. So some criminal issues for. Jerry Judy. We'll see how those charges play out. Falcons acquire wide receiver Brian Edwards and a 2023 7th round pick from the Raiders in exchange for a 2023 fifth round pick. This has got you hot in the pants, Gregie. It really doesn't. But they had another move. I mean, some revolutionary war pants. It says like thin a receiver position. Give Greg a flute. Get them to the front. Let's be done with this. It was as thin a position as they have so Edwards could

potentially start. But they also made a signing this week that caught my eye, Nick Kwikowsky, who I always will remember is that West was a big fan of his in his last year in Chicago. And then the Raiders signed him. He kind of fell up the map when he went with the Raiders. But that was only interesting because it really looks like Dion Jones is not going to be back with the Falcons. Something I didn't realize until I was doing this projected starter series, that even their team website basically indicated that they expect him to be traded. release that there's three different options of what they're going to do with Dion Jones. And option three was, well, he could stay here.

So it sounded like a guy who I was writing about at halftime of the Super Bowl as the key piece of a defense that was shutting down the Patriots and was certainly a core player for that Falcons team for a while and made a lot of money. And it's still young, only 27 will probably not be a member of the Falcons by the time we get to the season. I don't know if they'll be able to get a late round pick or what they'll get for him. But he's a good young player. That is a rough roster.

Maybe the world did the league. You had something there, Greggy. I mean, you don't think that was show worthy. No, it was. It was a real player. Hey, listen, you were passionate about it. The Falcons don't always get the most coverage. I'm very, I'm on board with it.

You had written in your potential news rundown that he sent next to Brian Edwards and Nick Kowalski, I have a connected take. In all caps. In all caps. We're like, we better get that in the show. Well, here's why. Because every once in why, you'll see a pretty low-level news item. I have a connected take.

I don't blame you, but you just take it out of the show because it's like we go too long. And you see Kwikowski, and you're thinking, why are we talking Kwikowski? Just like, let's get this in there for the Dionne Jones. They signed Rashon Evans, by the way, too. So they have two guys. He also drafted someone there.

It's a savvy broadcasting move by Greg. Grave Digger. Where's your drop, by the way? That doesn't go away because I want a vacation. Free Zickers. Put it in the list of potential segment ideas, I have a connected take. Okay.

I feel like there's something there. For a second, I thought you were going to make fun of me and say, like, we're going to do Dion Jones landing spots or something later in the weekend. No, we were letting you have that. You were, you were passionate. And finally, in the news, Matt Rule, the, yes, I'm going to say it. No, not Moribund. The embattled Matt Rule.

It's his turn. He's got, you know, we always like who's going to be in the next coach who has to eat for four straight months and then get fired or eight straight months. Last year, of course, it was Matt Nagy the year before. It was Adam Gase and Maddie Rule. You get the crown. Earlier last week, a report came out that Panthers owner David Tepper is interested in potentially hiring former Saints head coach Sean Payton next season after Peyton Tess's interest in doing television.

and Joe Person, who's covered the Panthers there forever, on the Panthers eyeing Sean Peyton report, Matt Ruhl said Dave Teper called him to tell him the story was coming out, and there was nothing to it. And yet, Mark, that doesn't feel true. It does not feel true at all. Number one, the statement that the Panthers issued reads as such, we would not talk to or consider a coach.

Wait, where's the miss of music? Back to the miss of music. And for an embattled coach, that makes sense. Gregi, take the flute. We would not talk to or consider a coach who's under contract with another team. Now, hold on. It doesn't even mention, by the way, we love Matt Rule. Like, we believe in Matt Rule.

It's like, we just wouldn't do that. It's like you already, and by the way, are the saints in any scenario who own the rights of Sean Payton going to ever trade Sean Payton? A, at all, probably not, but B, inside their own. own division to the Panthers? Are you nuts? I thought this report had validity to it that was only emboldened by that phone call to Joseph person that you mentioned and by the statement. I mean, it's like you're protesting too much. It also was a random but reputable source like out of nowhere. And when reports happen like that with someone that's credible, but like doesn't usually break in a phone news, it's like, this guy knows. Like he has some inside information and it totally

make sense to me. And I take offense that you say I'm the flute guy. Wow. Like, hey, no, I was reading the statement. I'm not artistic at all. I'm terrible at music and I'm sneaky athletic. So put me up on the front lines. I'll get

stuff done. Greg, you were I'm not got to be playing. You were, Greg, you were a vocalist in a goth band. It's fair. It was not a goth. Well, I mean, what about, you've given us no other proof that it wasn't. I mean, we're not going to put you with all the barbarians we have. I can't play a music. back row, you know, you got to have a, I think you would make sense as like the fast like

guy doing like ninja moves up front if we're going to just, if you insist, you don't just get a flute. I have endurance. I don't need to even state my credentials, but I'm also terrible at music, too. But that's actually probably beneficial for the flute players in that realm to be athletic. But it's inside you. You know, it's inside you. Your brother is an accomplished guitar player. Right. He's a composer, but it's not inside me. I try. He's a composer for Christ's sake. Yeah. It's in you. It's in you. It's in you. somewhere. And by the way, I have a little sound

from the future. Do you want to hear it? Yes. All right. This is from January of the future. Does Matt Roll running out of the team facility after being fired that's going to the airport? Oh, he just landed in Austin International. He's renting a car. And he's signing a huge contract with a Big 12 team

where he'll be the head coach and be happy again. One thing, remember, the Panthers signed him to like a seven-year deal that annoyed everyone. He could be paid to do nothing for like the next four years. It annoys David Deppard. I don't know about anybody else. I also noticed that Sean Payton in his TV deal that we've heard like has been

percolating for a while is going to be with Fox. And he's just filling in on days that Jimmy Johnson isn't there. So it's not like this is, this is clearly sort of a hit it and quit it scenario for him in the media. He seems very much angling already to be getting back into coaching. in 2020. Yeah, look out Mike McCart. Shrewd.

Right. It's like, how many days does Jimmy Johnson miss? That's a whole job? Maybe it is. Maybe it's like seven days, but it can't be like that many days. It's like,

Sean, are you going to come to the production meeting? I don't care. That's that we talk. That's Damashek's impression of what. All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right, now it's time to debunk some presumed truths

of the football cognizante, ellipsy, ellipsis, ellipsy, or should I say cognizante? I'm going to start with one that's very unpopular. And again, this is not necessarily my feelings personally that I'm dooming a team that they have no chance or, you know, whatever this is going to be. It doesn't mean this is how I feel. It's just more about like, let's tone down the rhetoric. Let's tone down group think is a crazy. crazy thing in the NFL and on Twitter and everybody seems to get hyped up about the same

teams. And I just want to bring the temperature down a little bit in Detroit. Let's start there. Yeah. The presumed truth is the lions will be good. It's going to bring that down. I think they're much closer to the Bears than they are to the Packers. And for what it's worth, Vegas agrees. Draft Kings has their over under at six and a half wins. But wouldn't that indicate it's not a presumed truth at all. That's sort of the best indication. But draft Kings is separate than the football. You hear it bubbling up.

I'm with you. Especially of late. And it's funny, before I, with Greg's help, of course, because he had to send me the link where to find this information. I went through their schedule and I did it with a generous eye. And I saw, and they're going to be on hard knocks. And that's great. I can't wait.

I see seven and ten, which is a big jump forward for the team. It's an over. That's bet they over. So I would bang the over. But if you look at a schedule of team and you see whatever the record is, you can make the case for two extra wins, which would make them nine and eight and probably a playoff team. But you also can go the other way and you can say, well, they can go five and 12 too. I think that's within the realm. The bottom line for me is they're probably a year away at least. And we shouldn't rush to make them a thing. You've seen a little bit out with the Jets right now too on the AFC. There's no need to rush. They can improve without being the next bangles. And I think. think that's a best case scenario. And I have some reasons why, but I just want to throw it to you guys and get your initial feelings on that.

I'm with you. I think we're conflating the idea that lions are finally not like ragingly dull. There's interest around them. The way they finished last season, I think has a lot to do with the way people think they might just pick up where they left off. Their wide receiver room compared to where they were a year ago this time is juicy. They've got parts on offense. I think they're good on both lines.

there's a lot to like about the way they're building the team and they're competent finally. But the idea that they're going to hopscotch the bears, I can buy that because the bears are going to rebuild. The Vikings and the Packers? No. And so are you going to be the third team in that division to make a wild card or go win nine games

and then balance out with the rest of the NFC? I think they're a year away. But I do think there's a reason for optimism finally. I think the excitement is just about the process, though. I think when we get to August and we see that list of like the 30 NFL.com list, there'll be about two that actually pick them to the playoffs. So now we're pushing back against the excitement. And I'm, I am excited, but to me, it's more about the build. And I think

people like to get on for the ride. So to your point, you're right. Everyone's excited because it's like, wow, they're making smart decisions. Their coaches seem like they get it. Their front office seems like they get it. Their teams coming together. And yet, I think most of the people even saying that, including me, are totally on board with everything. The two of you guys just said that it's coming up. If things broke really well for them, maybe this year, like you said, could be interesting. You get a winning record.

But it's more like we're getting in on the ground floor. This is going to be fun. It's like the process in Philadelphia. People love to get into the rebuilds. And this is actually a rebuild that looks like it's in a steady year-two climb. You know what's happening? Because here's to your point, Dan. You're going to start to see this with certain people out there that it's May.

You want to make an impact as an analyst. I could go on a long two-minute speech. talking about how I'm on the Lions bandwagon right now. They're going to make the playoffs. You've done it in the past, actually. Well, I did two years ago, and I couldn't have been more wrong. It's not even because of that that I'm not going to do it. But it's like there's a lot of that packaging the idea that you're the Lions person.

It goes out on Twitter. A bunch of people start to rally around you. And it's a product for the analyst more than reality. And it would be shame on me if I'm pushing back against the excitement. Because look at my fan allegiance. That's what I have right now. The idea that you're building something, the quote-un-quote. That's a hot team right now.

Yeah, quote unquote, the right way and all that. But it's not that I think there is a contingent within the inner circle of the Cagnacente that is seeing this is maybe more, like they could shock people this year. Right. I don't even want to have takes right now because I realize I usually like change my takes between May and August. And by August, I probably start like reacting to the other takes that are out there. So I'm just got to like withhold my takes.

That's good. I think that's smart. I think for them to get to that, I don't even know what they are. Get to that 9 and 8. You know, Goff has to stay healthy and be pretty good. I think 9 and 8 is doable, though, because I think they could be an average team. Let me say, Goff has to play well. Jameson Williams has to make an impact.

You need this offensive line to hold up, which I think it will. It looks good. The running back room is exciting, but you need health in that realm. Aidan Hutchinson should make an immediate impact, but you kind of need him to. Jeff Akuta's back, but is he going to be a guy that, lives up to his draft stock. There's a lot of things that have to go right. The back seven on defense,

their linebackers and then their secondary is certainly the weakest part of their team. And I think they coached them up well last year, but they're a year away too, in addition to golf. Hutchinson, though, is joining a really exciting front group. Like I think that is a pass rush

that goes six, seven, eight deep. And that's a nice straight. And we do love Dan Campbell. Everybody loves Dan Campbell. and he was the perfect kind of face of that team during that season. I would like to see him and the coaching staff with a better roster. Do they play the guitar? The last thing they need.

Like Eric Rosenthal. Eric, I mean, how dare you, Dean Rosenthal? Damn it. What's his middle name? Stewart. Okay, so you didn't even get the middle name. I will never forget that again. I'm sorry.

And I did know. There was a part in like high school going into college where he either was considering or actually did go by the art. like by the name Dean Stewart. Well, that sounds like a musician. But I felt like it's a little like you're throwing off the Jewie Rosenthal of it all. Well, Hollywood probably is what is doing. And entertainment is rich with that move.

So it's not like, he went to Dean Stewart for a little bit, but I don't think he felt bad about it. He went back, you know. All right. What do you got, Mark? Okay. This probably won't be very popular in this room. I just feel that the.

wrong Nacente or non-Nacente have Khan Nacente have crowned the Buffalo Bills a little early in a very rich and deep AFC Do I think that they're a playoff team? Absolutely. Are they probably going to win their division? Absolutely. Are they we'll see the way they do from there. They were, they lost six games a year ago going five and one against a putrid AFC East. I think the dolphins are a different team. They're going to be

tougher to defend than ever before. for during all this business. I think the Jets are the kind of team that can split with the Bills. The Patriots can split. I really do think that if the Jets are a hot mass for. This is what a speedy thick boy. But if the Jets can't beat the bills

and they can't beat the Dolphins, then what are we talking about the Jets so much? There's got to be a step at some point. Well, that's fair. But I would just say, you went five and one in your division last year and still lost six games. They open with the Rams, the Titans, the Dolphins, who they're going to have to see them early

before they have a lot of tape on what they're doing. The Ravens, the Steelers, the Chiefs, and the Packers. The schedule opens up from there, but they don't have the easiest of slates. And I would just say over the last two years, A, they've done an awesome job building up the team. They did an awesome job growing Josh Allen. Brian Dable had a lot to do with that. You have to project and hope that Ken Dorsey, who has been there for a while. It's a seamless transition.

I think it's a good guy to take over. But he's never done what Brian Dable has done before in the same capacity. there is difference right there that does take away the quarterback relationship. And everything went right health-wise, mostly for the bills over the last two seasons. It wasn't a team that had to deal with a ton of adversity. Does that happen three years in a row to NFL teams? Typically not. I'm just saying I'm not projecting them in the ASC title game without putting any mental thought

to the fact that the ASC is a thorny mess right now. That's where your argument, to me, lands that there could be eight teams that you could see being in the AFC championship and just assuming that the bills who I think on paper are the best team on paper and finish last season so strong are just going to be right back there. We know that's just not how it always works, but just because of that doesn't make me really believe in them left. It's more just the AFC. You're right. Some of those teams that aren't the bills essentially or the chiefs are going to step up and probably be a superpower too. I just think they'll be with the bills. I think the bills will be alongside whoever those

other teams are. And even before Brian Dayball left town, we were talking for weeks on this show during the regular season last year, what happened to the bill's offense? It's not impossible if they could have a similar or even worse issues as they kind of start this new era. I will point out because Buffalo fans are probably yelling

at their player right now. They did lose Tredavius White to a torn ACL last December, which was a crushing loss for that defense. The year before, I think they were far more healthy. But that was a huge loss. You get him back. Right, not like nothing went wrong, but in general it wasn't like the what happened to the Ravens last year. You were so big on the bills two years ago, and now you're like jumping off.

I like them. I think it's just that when everyone became a Bills fan suddenly, it was like. Well, that's what you were ready to win the Super Bowl last year. You know Mark Sessler by now. That's a fair point. He likes to get in before. That's why late period Browns fandom for you was so difficult, I imagine. I wonder if that played a part and you jumping off, all of a sudden there were Browns fans literally everywhere you look.

And all of a sudden it wasn't so special to be a Browns fan anymore. Yeah, you're next. Even in our building, there was a time when I was like the Browns fan. There are like 27 Browns fans inside NFL network. It's just like, okay, I get it. The thing with the bills, though, why so many people, including myself, are so high, is I just think they had a great offseason on top of that. Now, dealing with expectations is difficult, but this is a team that added Von Miller.

And on top of that, Dayquan Jones, Tim Settle, which I think were smart moves. They take a cornerback and you get white back in the first round and you get white back. I just the moves all made sense to me this offseason that they took a great roster they weren't satisfied and it looks a little better even to me that's fair floutest that's all floutest he's a floutist I tried to be a good musician I could not live up to Dean you know this is your chance Dean's Shadow don't get me because how cool would it be to be to be a good musician I don't it wasn't one of my great regrets it wasn't in me I tried I talked we I think Ricky played a sound drop on this message I left for Colleen if if I If you just learn that acoustic guitar, if I could just kind of learn Wonderwall, if I could learn a couple of Pete Yorne songs in 2001, what would have happened? Oh, you would have been on fire at party? Exactly. Like that room off the main room in a party, the sky's playing this little Wonderwall.

I was in Hoboken with my buddies. I was 24 years old. And we come back from Washington, and I got the axe. Then what happens? I'll give you some lessons sometime. It's too late. What does it do for me now? He's always got to insert his swarthiness into the episode.

You know GraveDigger used that for the blonde paramour that is not to be spoken of on the show any longer. Oh, no, he doesn't want that. Oh, here's a song, a little song I wrote called Glissorine. It's a romantic special. It really brings to the lady Glisserie. You wrote this? I think, Dan, you would have married a Hoboken area bartender.

I feel like, I feel like disappeared. Yeah, lyrics were not what people were into with Bush. It was that that dude was hot, you know. I think that helped. He was not a thick boy either. He was a life. Live. Live.

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Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. All right. I'm going to base mine on, stupid, my mentions. And I'm just going to assume like my mentions are somehow indicative of consensus. Or matter. Jalen Hertz is like the biggest question when it comes to the Eagles out there to me. But what I'm pushing back against is the idea that

Jalen Hertz needs to take this big step for the Eagles to be a really good. good team. To me, he doesn't. He's already there. He's better than people think. He definitely had his worst or second worst game of the year in the playoffs, and that's absolutely a concern. But he's also a second year starter who, to me, you know, certainly that happens. It happened to Josh Allen, not saying he's going to be Josh Allen. He is close to being a league average starter or already a league average starter right now. And like my belief in the Eagles, and you mentioned the over-unders, for the Eagles, it's at eight and a half, which seems crazy to me. To me, I think they can be, and this is one take, I don't mind getting there early.

I'm not going to back off it. I think they can be a 10-11 win type of team because their team is really strong. And all they need is Jalen Hertz to basically repeat what he did a year ago, except now you're going to have a little more help with A.J. Brown. But keep that running game going with him as a huge part of it. keep being efficient enough as a passer and getting the mismatches that a Lamar Jackson gets in the passing game and he is going to be just fine

the rest of the team can help him out and that they can be a contender with Jalen Hertz being the guy he was a year ago. I think I have a little bit of the issue with the conceit on this one because I think within the realm of the football cognizante, it seems to me like Jalen Hertz is a popular figure

and it's fans, including Eagles fans, a lot of times, it seems, that somehow or sometimes seem to have doubts about his ability. I feel like the general vibe about, and maybe I'm wrong, Mark, you tell me what you think, is that Hertz is a young ascendant quarterback that's not as talented maybe as the top tier guys, but put him in the right offense and let him use his legs and his arm. he can be a guy that's a top 12 starter potentially. Like, I feel like that's where most people are at it. Well, I think also that there's two different communities. There's the football fan, but then there's the fantasy community that are all over Jalen Hertz. They love him because I think his floor is so high. Right.

And I sort of, I kind of think his floor as an NFL starting quarterback is similarly high. Like, to me, he's a tick above where Teddy or two o'clock. were a year ago. And that team is strong. That's why I like the Eagles. It's not because of Jalen Hertz. And there is a chance here because Jalen Hertz got so much better, I think, from college to his rookie year to second year.

There is certainly a chance he could mature and continue to become a better passer and go up another level. And then you're really cooking with grease and gas. You're cooking with grease and gas. That sounds dangerous. That sounds like a house exploding. Right. The Jalen Hertz health issue, because he's got to.

be a guy that moves around a lot. He had ankle surgery in the offseason and it kind of wiped out his ceiling throughout the end of the season in the playoffs. He does his style play matchup with what the big man upstairs gave him bodywise. Staying healthy is a skill set. It really is. That's fair. Because I think he is not ready to be transitioning away from his running game being a huge part of that offense.

That's what made that offense. And I think they still need to run them a lot. It's maybe year four or five, whatever. You start backing off a little. We're not there. That's the one thing with AJ Brown is like you love the idea of them adding him, but that wouldn't have necessarily made the team what they were last year. Like they were a typical type of offense.

But Greg, one thing, you've been on the Eagles thing, and you're projecting them to win 10 games. They won nine a year ago, so you've got to go a little stronger if you want to be this Eagles proponent. I will when it comes to it. I'm just saying the over under was eight and a half. So yeah, clearing that. I think they have a chance to be really, really good.

good. Like 12, 13, that type of team. All right. Let's see. Let's do a quick one. Okay. Greg's got this meeting coming up. We've got plenty of time. I'm not worried about it. I'm concerned about your schedule. How much time do we have? 32 minutes.

Oh, we're good. We'll be done way before that. They were coming to you. I guess you'd have to travel in the building somewhere. No, it's just a phone call. It's just a phone. 32 minutes. All right. Here it is. This is the general kind of consensus statement. slash bit from the football cognizante. Tom Brady will take the top analyst job

in the NFL on Fox booth upon his retirement. So I guess that'll be about 2060. Oh, gosh. Oh, Wes loved that sound. 245. This is Tom Brady's last year. And if you can't see that, you're not paying attention. this is not all your bits about he'll be playing forever no like he tried to retire this year he couldn't bring himself to it he didn't have things quite set up how he wanted to in terms of post NFL something to take up his time something to focus on this huge deal and we'll talk about it with Andrew Mishon I know you guys talked about it last week where he gets paid bonkers money to be the number one booth guy for Fox who is two Super Bowls in the next three years all this stuff ties.

in. Like, they want him in the booth for the Super Bowl in at least one of those years and maybe both. And that's why you kind of can connect the dots here. This is Tom Brady's final season in the NFL. And I've been wrong about a lot of things at the end of Tom Brady's career. But this one, I will pound the table on the football, Kanye Senti, could take all their bits and stick them where the sun don't shine because you're not paying attention. I will say at least, I hope this makes you happy. When we talked about this Tom Brady news. There were none of those 2062 jokes that I can recall.

That's true. It was a lot of Twitter bits. And I 100% agree with you, Dan. And that news that popped up today, Tuesday as we're taping, that there's a roast planned on Netflix for Tom Brady next year. Like, it's all setting up. He's setting all these things up. I totally agree that this is going to be it. And it adds

a fun element to this buck season, because It's a good-looking Bucks team. They got a chance to do it again. I hope he stays healthy. All right, one more. Go ahead, Mark. This one annoys me because this has been happening for months. I understand that all four teams in the AFC West are juicy.

That they all, if they were all in different divisions, they might each win those divisions. But when I'm hearing, you know, oh, this could be the division that offers up four playoff teams or at least three, first of all, they play each other. We all know that. That's going to be a problem. because when you have the inflated record, it's because you're the Packers playing the Vikings, the Bears, and the Lions.

In this division, these types of teams eat each other up. These teams are going to beat each other up all year long. They are. But secondly, they also play the- That I did use on the schedule. They played the NFC West on top of it. Now, I know the NFC West with, you know, Seattle situation, Arizona up and down.

But they were that division a year ago, and they did get three play-off teams. Well, I just think that the AFC West, I wouldn't be shocked if in the end they're all kind of same type records and you get one playoff team. I know, maybe save that for the sandwiches. It could be one because it's, I'm not saying that they might be better than the records. Three of the four teams might be better than the records.

So just pump the brakes on the blind optimism that there's four superpowers in that division. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. The Raiders look better on paper, but are really, you're right. One of those teams will probably take a face plant and be totally disappointing. It's a little hard to predict because they all already get on paper. No, never the Chargers. That's a whole other football

That would be depressing. That would be depressing. This is the year that nothing could potentially go wrong for the Chargers. How dare you. Every year since 2008. I don't think so. I mean, but listen. So you're right.

Somebody will definitely dirt nap it. Who's the most likely team? It's probably the Raiders. Or one of the teams loses their quarterback and then it's, you know, there's some unknown disaster. To me, it's the Raiders because the quarterback is. I like Derek Carr, but I trust the other three better. New coach. We don't know if Josh McDaniels can be a hit coach.

I was going to say your Russell Wilson slander can extend to this conversation, Greg, if you want. I'm trying not to give out too many takes that I'm going to back up on, back off on. Good. All right. But that one does make sense to me. My last one. Residence floutest. I struggled with this one because it's like I was trying to figure out what is the consensus right now.

I don't know. But you know what is the consensus when you put some cold, hard numbers to things. and that's fantasy football. So I'm putting on my fantasy football hat and looking at all these guys who are doing the best ball leagues in the off season, they're already picking leagues right now

with big money at stake. And I'm looking at where players are getting drafted. And to me, that's as consensus as it gets. I don't know if it's the cognizanty, but it's the fantasy heads out there. And I got a lot of takes, but I'm going to start,

and I'll go through them quick. Derek Henry is the second pick in the draft. What? That's crazy. Derek Henry's the same. What? What is happening here? They don't have enough.

Another segment idea. Just Greg's, what? Yeah. All right, go ahead. I mean, they don't have any offensive lineman. We know about his usage over the years. He's turning 27. Scott Pianowski had this great threat of like running backs who do well in fantasy when they

turn 27. Like it goes bad pretty off. I'm not saying he's gone, but that doesn't say much about that community. He should be gone from the top 10. I agree with that. Okay. And then there was. were some other ones like Devante Adams still has a first round pick our producers raising his

hand should we call on him sure I mean I don't want this to be coming into it every episode I say something negative about the Titans and then Graver like sends it out to all his Titans he's like hey check this out Greg Rosenthal the round the NFL podcast is I support that free call just swore so you create a cloud yeah I need to note that um Marcus Mosher who I respect on Twitter tweeted four hours ago there's no reason Henry should fall further than number three in your fantasy lakes this year. So there we go. Henry was on pace for 2300 yards and 20 touchdowns last season. Yeah. Don't tell me about pace when you broke your foot. That is true. That's the big concern. Will he wear down. But over his last 30 games and they're not going to be leading games as

much potentially. Maybe not. Maybe not. Plus Malik Willis is going to be running the football a lot, you would think. That's true. Not in 2020. Other guys that really stood out to me on this realm of being a little over over. Devante Adams, like why would his numbers go up? up in Las Vegas with Derek Carter and way more competition. And now he's like a top 10 pick. Clyde Edwards-Hillard. We're still doing this with Clyde-Ed Edwards-Ler. He's getting drafted super high.

Who's drafted Clyde-Evon for those two years? Because fantasy guys draft on opportunity, even in May, and they see the opportunity. But it's like someone else will come on that team and take those carries or someone already on the team will take those carries because he's not that great. But I didn't want to be all negative. So two guys that really intrigued me that were way too low was Jalen Waddle still has like a late fourth round pick. Oh, man, he's going to load up. Tyreek is not going to hurt him.

He'll help him. And Hunter Renfro. Similarly, I think people are digging Hunter Renfro. Way to the middle of the seventh round when it's like, no, he's not going anywhere. That's the guy that knows Derek Carr the best and he's going to have more one-on-ones. It takes a big floutist to come all the way around on Hunter Renfro. And now you're booking him for 100 and 1100. That was one of the worst takes I've ever had.

is dumping on Hunter Renfro. I was wrong. It was aesthetic because you're an artist. The mutative white man with receding hairline at 21 and you held it against it. And like Carr and him have this thing. And early on he was forcing it, throwing him 13 balls for like three for 33. And I was like, this is the worst playing football. But Carr knew what he was doing.

All right. That's it. Good stuff. Dean Stewart Rosenthal. He's got to go with Dean Stewart at this point. He could still make it switch. He was on a podcast recently. I should send the link out.

What was that? Dean Stewart was talking about experimental, classical music. So, you know, all our listeners should do. Does he have, does he sound like you? Do you, is it have that Rosenthal? No, he doesn't. I got to hear this. I think he's met him, Dan.

Dean? Yeah. I don't think Dan ever did. I have multiple times. You have, you have. Multiple times. Yeah, well, at the Super Bowl, at a pizza gathering in Los Angeles. They hit it off.

You know how Mark just like, there's just some people that are Mark people? Yeah. Like Connor or who we had last. Sure. There's a lot of Mark people. But there was some sort of, like Mark definitely likes Dean more than me. I can tell. That is a projection.

I don't, like I found Dean to be enjoyable to talk to. In a quick conversation, they had a connection. Dean's always asked, oh, what's up with that Mark guy? I really like that guy. He also didn't, Mark didn't deny it. He said it was a projection, but yeah. It's fine. I just don't want Greg walking around thinking that.

I could like them equally like they were my children, Greg and Dean Stewart. It's like whenever we have a guest on the show and then. And after about 12 minutes of conversation, Mark's like, who do you like the best of us? It's like, oh, not again. Who do you think is the best athlete of us? I'm going to hold you to it. I'm going to hold it to. Who do you like better, Dean and Greg?

I like them equally. Who would you rather do a podcast? But he's only talked to Dean for like 30 minutes. I would rather do one with Greg because I know, I know it's going to be a head. I spent, you know, I was, we were in each other's presence for probably seven, eight hours this weekend. And you've talked to Dean maybe for 20 minutes in your life. He's already tied. He's already tied.

We talked a ton, Greg. It was a group conversation. Greg and Greg told some fantastic stories about, well, I'm not going to get into it. Those are some good answers, some good non-answers to the lame stream media you did there. That's right. All right. We'll be back Thursday. Mark is heading out vacation.

Enjoy yourself. Thank you. What are you doing? We'll not be telling you. That you weren't going to ask. Couldn't help myself. Till Thursday, he's the call. You know,

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