NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2022 Week 10 Recap: Big Homer Week

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap all the action from Week 10, starting with the game of the year between the Vikings and Bills (2:47). Next, we hit the international match featuring the Seahawks and Buccaneers from Munich (16:02) before welcoming in Nick Shook for help with Browns at Dolphins (26:55). After that, the heroes cover Cowboys at Packers (34:06), followed by Texans at Giants (41:34), Lions at Bears (47:01), Jaguars at Chiefs (54:35), Broncos at Titans (59:45), Cardinals at Rams (1:06:35), Colts at Raiders (1:13:25), and Saints at Steelers (1:22:58) before finishing up with Chargers at Niners on Sunday Night Football (1:28:08). Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The flagship show. Week 10. I'm Dan Hansis. That, woo, was Greg Rosenthal. Also, Mark Sessler in the house. What is up, my heroes. What is up, my heroes? It's a wild Sunday.

Can you guys not talk at the same time? I don't know. We've only been, we're in show 17162, and we're still. Still doing that? You know what? Interesting. This season in general, and I've heard from friends who are hardcore football fans, some people complaining a little bit about the product at times this year,

maybe this season, the entertainment values a little more up and down. And then something like Week 10 happens. And this was an excellent week with a lot of great games. We're going to get to all of them, including, uh-oh, listen to that. You know what that is? Of course you know. We do it. That's it.

That's all we get. Yeah, bring it back. I thought we were getting lighting. Where's the lighting? The game of the year, Siren. That's what that was. Ah, okay. Multiple games of the year.

No, there can only be one. What's the multiple? Well, you called the, what you called the Lions victory today, one of the games of the year, about 12 minutes ago before the show grand. It was a fun game, though. No, the game of the year. Obviously. Wait, where's Justin? Justin. What just happened?

You know, it's on my radar. I want to make sure that Mark specifically is treating you well behind the glass. But I was promised a light show during the siren sequence. Yes, one, a small overlooked detail that we, if you want to bring it back at any point, we can go there. Oh, we'll then be ready. Yeah. Okay. All right. See, that's communication. Off and running. Anyway, you could have done that on our messaging client, but involve the listeners. I think it's transparency is one of the reasons why the listeners love us. Anyway, like if I did it now, would we get it?

In about five seconds, maybe a little more than five seconds. No, it's gone. It's over now. It's over now. We're going to do it anyway. But let's get into all the games. We promise you, this episode is going to be great. Starting with the game of the year, light show or no.

Alan back to pass in the pocket to the end zone. Yes, it is accepted by Patrick Peterson. And he slides down. And the Minnesota Vikings are eight and one. And they come to Buffalo and they walk off on Stefan Diggs and the Buffalo bills. The crowd is absolutely stunned. Oh, the bongos. Paul Allen and Pete Bersich, the call K-F-A-N.

We're going to hear more from then because this was, without a doubt. There were a lot of good games this year, and there have been very good games throughout the season. But nothing matched this game in terms of the vibes, the heat. Darrell Johnson calling the game for Fox said, this has been the most amazing two minutes of football I have ever seen in my entire life, referring to the end of the fourth quarter. That guy's got three rings. Patrick Peterson intercepted

Josh Allen with 112 remaining in overtime and the Minnesota Vikings roar back from multiple scores down in the second half to beat the Buffalo Bills 33 to 30

in the ATN era gentleman 2013 to present I know there have been great games as I'm watching this game and specifically really end of the third quarter on I don't know if I've ever seen

a crazy or more exciting, more intense game between two teams who understood the gravity of the moment here. Amazing to watch. It also might go down as one of the great receiver performances of all time. I mean, Kirk Cousins is showing up big in late spots this year. You need a drive from Kirk Cousins. He goes and gets it. And he's partly done that by putting the ball up the last three or four weeks we've been talking about and being more confident, giving the 50-50 balls to Justin Jefferson, be more aggressive. So with that out of the way, they don't win this. This game without Justin Jefferson, the sheer quantity of ridiculous catches in huge spots is just preposterous. Next Gen stats had a number that all-time high of receptions on throws that had a under 50% completion expected on a throw that wasn't expected to be completed was six until this game in the next-gen stats era.

And he had nine of those catches today of where you don't expect it to be a catch, but Kid Cousie, Kirk Cousins. and Justin Jefferson get it done together. I think part of it is Cousins has been throwing the ball to him beautifully. There were a couple absolute ropes in this game. And on the flip side, Josh Allen, he has the six interception this season of inside the opponent's 30-yardland. That's the most in the NFL. Four of the five of those have come in the last two weeks.

And so we've seen Josh Allen, who's superhuman for much of the season, go through little mini slumps in the past, and I think he's in one right now to some degree. It's still marvelous. Absolutely. I mean, remember, this was a guy that late in the week, it looked like, we talked about it on Thursday show. It doesn't look like he's going to be playing in this game. And then all of a sudden, he's trending upward throughout the weekend. And then he's on the field, and he's throwing ropes too.

And he's putting up big numbers. And yet, yeah, the interceptions, putting the ball on the ground, fumbles. I want to, the way to get into this game, because every once in a while, you do have crazy games like this. I took out a card holding in my right hand and starting from 151 to play in the third quarter, Tyler Bass for the Bills, kicks a field goal to make it 2710. To that point, this was somewhat a normal game.

Like it was playing out how many would have expected Minnesota a team that had jumped out to this big seven and one start, but are they really on the level of the top contenders? The bills with Josh Allen looking like a team that could dominate. And then from that point on, A big game-changing play is Dalvin Cook going 81 yards on the ensuing possession on the first drive, first play of the drive. That makes it 27-17. Been doing that about like once a week lately.

That right there, and that gets forgotten now, but that changed this game because all of a sudden went from, oh, this game's over to, all right, they have a pulse. Then in the ensuing possession, Josh Allen throws his first of two end zone interceptions in this game to Patrick Peterson. and Minnesota follows that up with a six minute drive where they convert a fourth and six at midfield to guess who, Hawkinson, T.J. Hawkinson has been a huge pickup for them that missed the P.A.T., which makes it 2723, and you're thinking, oh, that is so Vikings. But that made the drama even more so,

because after a Buffalo three and out, Minnesota goes 12 for 75, Greg. And that's when the amazing, and there are many great catches by Justin Jefferson. but Justin Jefferson on a fourth and 18 near midfield makes a one-handed snag that people always immediately judge things against the OBJ but it's right up there and the fact that the stakes on that play what's ironic about that is that didn't lead to points Gregie because on the fourth and goal fight physics I have no idea how it it doesn't really make sense when you look the more you looked at the more replays of it you saw when he was coming down at an angle with the defender on his wrist

It's like, how is the ball still on his hands? Like the MC Escher painting of catches. But that drive ends in an insane way because they have a free play of the Vikings at the goal line on an off-sides for Buffalo, and Dalvin Cook is by himself for the go-ahead touchdown, and he just drops it. And it's a free play, so you get the ball back.

Would have been the all-time cadence clutch play of all-time. Kurt Cousins' beautiful base cadence. He was mad at me for not making the cadence rankings, gets that off sides. And the cadence would have won the game if Cook just gets it. Cook drops the ball. And then on fourth and goal from the half yard line, Kirk Cousins gets stuffed.

It's very close. But then, Mark, on the next play, this happens. Josh Allen puts Gabe Davis in motion. And Davis is behind Allen, and he tried to push him. He didn't get out of there. He didn't get out. He did not get out. That's the safety.

Give it to us. Oh, no. Came out. Yes, the Vikings are going to win. Are you kidding me? Yes, drop that punch. Oh, no. Got a little over excited.

The quarterback muff the snap. Minnesota died on the ball in the end zone for a touchdown. Hey! Yes! Are you kidding me with what just happened? Oh, wow. The shades of Mark Charlie Steiner in the 86 divisional playoffs, Jets Browns, where he said, oh, the Jets are going to win this game and they didn't because what they

forgot was that there was still 90 seconds or so. The bills go down the field. They kick the field goal to force overtime and only because Gabe Davis has a sideline catch that they rule a catch that wasn't actually a catch. Another highlighter play that I had to mention here. And then you get to overtime. Minnesota kicks the field goal. And then Buffalo Mark is set up first in 10 at the Minnesota 20.

They go right down the field. And you're thinking after all this, how Vikings is this going to be that they're going to lose this game. Josh Allen does it again. He tries to force a pass over the middle when he doesn't have to. Patrick Peterson, who by the way, still making huge plays in this league in 2022, makes the

interception, game over, stunner. Vikings for real bills go from best team in football seven days ago to third place in the AFCs. It's amazing how quickly the scenery changes. I mentioned those Allen interceptions of late, you know, in these spaces that count where it should be the opposite

from Josh Allen. And I mean, You know, for me, it's like this Vikings team, which for years, I thought it's just been the same team season after season. It's just, they're fine, they're good, they're not great. They have won seven straight, one-score games, which I believe I heard today has never happened in the NFL. And that is a wild situation. But this is, any team like this on a run where the records started and compile,

and you struggle to believe if they're in that elite class, I don't know if they're an elite team right now, But I'll tell you something, like win like this changes everything that we should think about the Vikings because they went into Buffalo, totally hung with them, made life difficult for Josh Allen and key situations. And you have a quarterback and a wide receiver whose chemistry in unison is as good as anything we have in the NFL at the moment. I mean, what does it even mean, elite? They're going to clinch the NFC North potentially before December. I mean, it's possible that they're still got a massive lead.

They're playing the big boys this week. And this was a perfect pick for game of the year. because it's one of these 17-point comebacks. This season is defined by these monster comebacks. And Kirk Cousins, this season has been defined by, you need a drive, you got to drive from Kirk Cousins because Justin Jefferson is right there with the most valuable players at any position in the league

and is helping them get over the finish line. He hasn't played that well against some bad teams, and then at the end of these games, Cousins gets it done. I don't think it changes how I feel too much about either one of these teams. maybe it just shows that the Vikings got a little bit of hoodspah. But don't you feel like the bills were like impenetrable a couple weeks ago? Yes, absolutely.

It does change how I feel about Buffalo the last couple weeks. I think the turnovers, which is now three weeks running for Alan, and we've talked about on the show a lot, that he's always been a dude that's going to give you a chance. But right now he's on a little bit of a cold streak, like if you're at the blackjack table, and the dealer keeps on pulling 21. And it's a situation for me where this is not the night to be talking about

regression in the Vikings, because you're saying this is unprecedented. No one's won seven straight games in this fashion. I guess you could make that call, but I just got sometimes just got to give a team it's flowers and be like, that's an incredible comeback and a great win. And Kirk Cousins, by the way, for most of this game, looked like he was having one of those cousins prime time, big spot type games, and he just flipped the switch. And I just got to give him a lot of credit. Let's hear from Kirk Cousins, who does he have plans?

What's his nickname now? It's, it's Kirkie Chains? What is it? Help me out. Anybody in? Kirkio? I see on. Kirk Thuggins. So it's all over the place. I was giving him. I've been giving him Kid Cousy for a while.

Well, that's pretty good. But that's been taken, kind of. But not really. That's a good one. Will he be topless on the plane tonight? He's prepared for your plane right at all that that's on the plane? I think we reached the mountain top last week. I don't know that there's, I don't know that there's anywhere to go from here.

Someone else has to take the mantle. Because I think we reached the mountain top. He doesn't have a choice on this. Well, we know something's happening on that plane. shows great decision-making, though. He knows when a bit has, like, reached its, uh, we could use one of those guys. His apex.

That's the new Kirk, though. Two more Kirk Cousins plays quickly would just be the second. I hope you're going to say one that I'm thinking of right now. The second and one in overtime with a free rusher barreling down on him. Right. And he gets it off when normally he would hold on to the ball and take a sack unbelievable. And then the play that set them up inside the five-yard line in overtime. That was more of a great throw than just a great catch by Jefferson.

and that was an absolute dime. He has this because he throws to where the receiver is going to be that not all quarterbacks have that ability to do that or the guts do that. He does it all the time. So even with a pass rush bearing down on him, he can hit you in stride. I was thinking of he had a scramble inside the five-yard line where he put his shoulder down. And it's like, I'm not saying that we don't know Kirk Cousins,

but this is why he's getting the chains and everybody's into him. You're winning and you're showing that you're a dude and you're a member of the team. Really cool. By the way, this is another, and I don't, I don't bring this up because nobody is covered in glory on this. Another lockpocalypse. Oof, bad week. And the Cincinnati Zoo.

They came strong on this one. Nick was very competent on this one. Do we have what Nick had to say going into this game? There's no way the Vikings go into Buffalo and take care of business in November. It's going to be cold. It's going to be rainy. And the bills take care of business. Well, listen, I didn't think the Vikings were going to win this game.

either once Josh Allen was playing. I mean, he also took a lot of... But I didn't lock it up. It took a lot of shots at me. I mean, he's been a guy who's mentioned a lot this year that you've got to have guts and pick a game that, you know, is like a close spread or whatever. Here's Rose with all settling scores, by the way.

It's just funny because if we knew all long, Josh Allen was starting this game, this wouldn't even have been in the lock zone because the bills would have been that big of a favorite. That's how much it moved to before the game. And yet, here it is. Justin. Nick on Twitter today to the ATN, lock it up, Twitter account when they tweeted this out, said he thought Case Keenham was going to be starting, and that's why he locked it up because Keenham wouldn't have made those game losing turnovers at the end.

That's a very solid point, but Nick. That's a great Nick move. All right. Well, listen, before we can't go in on Nick too hard, because like I said, that's the first event, many misses in the prediction game. I've already lost my TNF prediction. Let's move on. So we gave that game a little extra love because obviously it deserves. served it. But there was a, there are a bunch of really good games, including the first ever

NFL game in Germany. Let's check that one out early this morning. White swings in motion. Empty backfield. Brady looks. Brady looks back to his right. Cows the left. It is caught. Touchdown Tampa Bay. Dry Chris Godwin. Touchdown, Buccaneers. We lead 20 to three. We can. Brown Roared in Munich. But there is a flag in the end zone on that right side, and I think they're going to try to call it offensive pass interference. Seahawks thinks a penalty is going to be all the bucket ears. There is no foul on the player for offensive passenger. The result of the play is a touchdown.

Oh, say that in German, John Hussey. Touchdown in Munich. Gene Deckerhoff with a call WFUS. I love it. This feels like I'm getting the feeling it's going to be a big Homer week for the radio guys. Two wheeze and two games so far. Chris Godwin. They need him to step up, and he did in this game with a touchdown,

and Tom Brady remained undefeated abroad by throwing two touchdown passes. The Bucks beat the Seahawks, 2116. Like I said, first game ever in Germany in Munich, at Allianz. It's a very nice facility, at least from the television. And Greg, this game was very, and we were going to get to the Packers a little bit, too, and Aaron Rogers, the old guard, backs against the wall, some big performances, the Bucks all of a sudden in pretty good shape at 5 and 5 hitting their buy.

They're in great shape. They're going to host a playoff game. I'm sorry, Falcons fans or Panthers fans. I know Saints fans have no belief left. They're at 5 and 5, and this game had all the things that you wanted to see. It wasn't about Tom Brady. Tom Brady played well enough like he has played all season. It was about both lines just pushing the Seahawks

around. They ran all over him. The drive to close the game out when Seattle closed the lead to 21-16. It was so impressive that they just run all over Seattle. They did it all game. They had 161 yards. And on the other side, they were harassing Gino Smith. They hit him six times while Tom Brady's sitting back there going pat, pat, pat, pat. Almost a Golston for the Seattle defense. A goalston is when you get no sacks, no QB hits. There was one QB hit on Tom Brady, and there were a lot of plays where he got to get to his third read, and then let Godwin make a play. Julio Jones makes a play. It was just really impressive in the trenches.

They look like the tougher team. And if they got that going, like, they're going to be a tough team. You've been trying to make Goulston a thing for 10 years on the show. I mean, it is a thing to me that I don't expect it to ever, like, carry on. I think there was about a three-year period where I gave it up and now I'm bringing it back. It's like IR boomerang. It's got about the shelf life of that. That one's got some legs, though.

It's like I've heard that. Wes and I said that that was going to take off now. I think that needs a word. No quarterback hits, no sacks. That needs a word. And, you know, Goldston works. It was a really, a really fun game because like the game we just talked about previously, it felt like a game in hand.

Tampa Bay is up 213. And Greg, I know you don't believe me, but I don't have a problem with watching Gino Smith do well. I'm okay with it. And you know what? How could you not be impressed by what he does? I know he had the big fumble that helped put Seattle in a hole in this game. But those two drives in the second half late in the game, so many money throws, like right on the, and good decisions and going through his progressions. If you get the ball back in his hands, I could have saw them, saw Seattle steal in this game.

It didn't work out that way. The defense couldn't get the stop. But I just want to throw some flowers the way of Gino. I mean, and also it was the Seahawks going for it on fourth down. The fourth down pass to Tyler Lockett. the fourth of one touchdown shot to Marquis Goodwin. Gino, every week, whether he stopped or not, and the team stopped, he continues to make some beautiful throws.

And to me, this was the Bucks offense that we had been sold going into the season. And it started with the ability to run the ball. They were able to control this game early by that. And we hadn't seen that for weeks and weeks. And Brady, to me, is not the problem in that offense when they're struggling. He's throwing great. He looks awesome. He looks like Tom Brady.

I feel like this could be Now I don't want to get sucked in here Gregi on the Julio Jones tip again Because we all did that After week one That was a flown coverage I know he looked fast But he was moving really well

And if Godwin is getting better Obviously Mike Evans And the running game is better With the four net being minimized a little bit I mean this week You don't have I feel like you don't have to squint hard To see Tampa Bay making a big push in the second half No

I could you can't you? Tom Brady knows better than anyone All that matters is how you play in that single elimination tournament, and it helps to be playing well in the few weeks before to feel good about those things. Their injuries that they've had have mostly bounced back. Their defense is healthier this week than they've been all season. Akeem Hicks was out there making plays. Winfield was back making plays. Carlton Davis is back playing plays. Fournette's injury in this game, I think, helped them out for the most part. I think Rashad White was already getting more work, and I think he was more

explosive. But there were a couple plays, and Brady's been playing well, but he hasn't been in sync with his receivers. And there were a couple of plays in this game where they just weren't making those plays in previous weeks. Some of them were the third and two runs, and that wasn't Brady. But the others were that played a Scotty Miller on third and two where it just was a beautiful throw by Brady under pressure. And then another play where Tom Brady has to improvise and finds it to Godwin who makes the right read with Brady. They weren't making those plays. They did today. I think they're a very scary team. You look at, they go under their buy, so they'll just get healthier. And then their schedule really is relatively soft down the street.

so you're right they're going to win the division they're going to host a playoff game and if you get this version of tampa bay i told you whoever won this division was going to win a playoff game on our friday fun show it's not really that daring of a prediction if you get this buck team i declined to uh take you up on that one i mean i you know that's fine but ten days ago we were talking about this team as a more abundant offense that couldn't get out of its own way that word hasn't come up yet well a it's not on the sunday show anyway it's in search of itself i mean they were one of the more frustrating watches around that's not a little tease That could be coming up.

There are a couple tonight. A couple candidates out there. My friend, good buddy, Shalin Patel, big time Bucks fan, big time listener of the show, flew from Tampa to Germany for this game, sent me a selfie on Friday night with Rich Eisen. I said, oh, do you know, say you're friends with me? He said, oh, no, I didn't think to do it. I was like, oh, it's fine. I love it.

But Shilin sent a video on our fan. thread this morning of him in the stadium and he wrote nobody leaving the blanking stadium game ended 10 minutes ago incredible vibe and we all on this show we're we're invested in the success of the game overseas because that's given the overseas audience is given so much to us so it's very cool to see this game go off in munich and tom brady had words along those lines as well yeah that was one of the great football experiences i've ever had so says a lot for 23 years in a league and for a regular season game, and I think the fan turnout was incredible. It felt like very electric from the time we took the field.

So at the end of the game, with them singing Sweet Carolina and Country Road, that was pretty epic. So I think everyone who's a part of that experience got to have something pretty amazing memory for their life. So thank you for hosting us. We appreciate it. Thank you. I went to investigate the Take Me Home Country Road scenario because they were playing it as Tom Brady received like a shotgun snap at one point but it is it is for years been a massive sing-along hit in germany during october fest and so they just they brought it to the stadium i would have

been like do hoss by romsky i know it's like gudy's team suck yeah they should make that an annual thing i mean you could see like brady's eyes were kind of shining there they seemed smiling too again they also won i mean it's been a while it was emotional and in coline wolf uh who i think we're going to hear at the end of this show. She sent in a missive from Germany. And she had a similar take, which was that it was an emotional experience, I think, for everyone there, that the singing and everything that happened, that it's still going on 10 to 15 minutes after the game.

Like, I don't think the German fans could have done any better. It's awesome. I hope we get over there with them next year. Yeah, absolutely. ATN to Germany. That sounds fun. And, Mark, when we were down on the field in London, I think you were in conversation with MJD at the time

and they were doing Sweet Caroline which I don't like the song I'm not a Neil Diamond guy I don't like Boston sports teams but that crowd that song I was getting goosebumps because they were singing at the top of their lungs that song

and everybody had just huge smiles on their face 70,000 fans the international series and this is going to sound like you know company men or I am is a huge hit like and this is something they need to keep pushing and I know they will I think it's also that you know, historically, the passion at their football games nationally and all through Europe

is insane, and they bring that to this. And this German crowd, you could tell on the television was absolutely off the hook and, like, I'm sure many spirits were imbibed going in and who knows what else, and I love it. And like everyone from NFL Network seemed to, as you called it, Greg, cited as like almost a spiritual awakening for some reason. So maybe they never come back to America. Well, they probably will, but it seems like they had a great time. And we always give, like, the UK and the, you know, Canadian and Australian listeners.

Maybe not the Canadian someone. Okay, yeah, yeah. They deserve it. No, you guys. Hey, Germany, Germany's right there. There are number five country in the world. We love you, German fans. Thanks for listening.

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Before we get to the next game, we have some developing news coming out of Minnesota, of course, or I should say over Minnesota. Greg Rosenthal. Yeah, Kirk Cousins wasn't lying. He has made the decision. or maybe it wasn't his decision to make the chains have moved on. Patrick Peterson, wearing the chains on the way home. Can I add a bod note to this news update?

Absolutely. So I think we were all surprised to find out that, not shocked, but that Kirk Cousins delivered a surprising eight-pack. And he's quite shapely. But Patrick Peterson looks like a he-man figure to me. It is impressive. He's got some D-KVic. I would check it out.

No matter who you are, check it out online. I will. All right. You too. Let's head to Miami where, yes, the Dalvin's had a chance to move into first place. Did they do it? Third down and goal from just about the two-yard line. Wilson the running back.

He goes in motion to the right back to throw. Thoreau's a touchdown hill. His fourth of the year. Going backwards, Dua puts a right on the money. They are having fun because everything they're doing is working right now. Well put Jimmy Cephalo WQAM. Everything is working and it looks easy for Tuotungo Vailoa and the Dolphins offense who continued to roll over the opposition to with three more touchdown passes.

That's an every week thing. It's like 300 and 300 yards, three touchdowns almost every week. Dolphins beat the Browns 3917. That's four straight wins for Tua. And they haven't lost when Tua has been the starting quarterback who's played the full game. And to talk about this is a great friend, a man who we don't need to talk about eight packs and we got the pipe here. What's up, Nick? 26 pack.

How are you, buddy? I wish I had an eight pack right now. I mean, Kirk Cousin's doing a pretty good job there with it. Patrick Peterson. I mean, Mark, how do you get to that point in your career without having that type of body? We do all kinds of body talk here. Patrick Peterson, put him on Mount Rushmore. Oh, I am with you.

I was happily surprised by what I observed. Very interesting. Let's get into it now, Shooki. Again, like I said, the numbers are astounding for Tua. And I mentioned in the preview show last week, if he had stayed healthy, they would be on a record-setting pace. Hell, they might get there anyway by week 18, 10 touchdowns, and zero interception since returning in week seven for Tua. Yeah, you know, a lot of people are going to take this as me being a hater. But a lot of those numbers that they put up could have been prettier visually.

and yet they stand so strong in the stat sheet because of where they are. Thank you, Greg. Seven and three overall. This was their best game of the season. Tua, perhaps his best game of his career. He was clinical operating drives with no resistance, with no worry, no fear, no, no hesitation. Go look at the statute from this game. It wasn't Tyreek Hill for 10 and 150.

It was Tua hooking up with eight different guys. Trent Scherfield almost outgained Tyreek Hill. He had a great touchdown catch. Tyree gets on the board with that touchdown catch that we already played. It was spreading the ball all over. Rahim Mostert, Jeff Wilson, both running with authority. They dominated the Browns start to finish. The only time the Browns were even really in this game was on their opening drive from that on.

It was all Dolphins. And this is the game that made me a bit of a believer in Tua and a definite believer in the dolphins. They're on a role. They're playing great complimentary football right now. And it's not just throwing the ball. They can run it really well, too. Tua just fits in this offense. And the way that Mike McDaniel has the wide receivers getting open for him,

it's just like I don't really, I'm over the Tua debate to some degree. But also, because I think that the ground game has been an issue in various weeks. The balance they show today, 195 yards at 5.9 yards per pop. I know it's the Browns. And I thought after the Bengals game, maybe the Browns had solved some of their defensive issues. This game was lockable. All of us who had the lock a poppollos? Until it started.

It's a hard thing to say. I mean, it's just like, I think if this is the Dolphins team, We're going to get down the stretch. With this ability to move the ball on the ground through the air, they are legit dangerous and can beat pretty much anyone in this strange NFL season. I know we say, I know it's the Browns. With the Browns, like we said going into this game, with the exception of one week,

it either beaten every team or just barely lost. They've been competitive. They embarrassed Cincinnati in their previous game. So for the Dolphins to just hammer them here. Again, yeah, Jeff Wilson has been a perfect fit here, Shoki. 17 for 119? I mean, is it? Is it just that this offense is just so functional right now that anything they do seems to work?

Well, kind of. It is kind of like that. But you got to give a lot of credit to GM Chris Greer who went out there and addressed their need. They knew that Chase Edmonds was not a good fit in this offense. They weren't getting the production from the running game that they needed to be the balanced offense that they believe they could be. That could really allow Tua to maximize his production with Tyreek Hill and with Jalen Waddle. So they go out. They get Jeff Wilson.

Suddenly Mike McDaniel has two former running backs from the 49ers. that he knows pretty well, and they're both producing really well. They're a great one two punch. They're pretty similar. They're not too different, but Jeff Wilson, I'm telling you, man, you know, we got to see him in San Francisco once they lost Elijah Mitchell, but it wasn't quite what you would expect. He had some nice runs, but their offense overall was kind of struggling. Then they bring in McCaffrey, suddenly he's in a secondary role.

He's expendable. He goes to a place where he's a perfect fit. And it brings this offense to a height where now I firmly believe they can beat any team. If they play like they did it today, they can beat anybody. Now, their defense is going to have to play better on a week-by-week basis. It's going to have to play a lot like it did today. Get after the quarterback, breakup passes downfield. They were excellent in the secondary, multiple attempts of Donovan Peoples-Jones,

broken up by their defensive backs. If they play like this, I'm telling you guys, you got to watch out. It kind of reminds me of back in 2016 when the Falcons kind of got on a roll about this time in that season. They ran all the way to the Super Bowl. Today, they looked a lot like that team, and that's a scary team to watch. A little bit like last year's Bengals. And, I mean, I thought it was impressive. I kept checking out the box score and watching the game at the side of my eye.

And, like, they shut down Cleveland's ground game for most of this. And it was a non-factor. I mean, Cleveland's a mess to me in a lot of ways. I don't think they're the sum of their parts on offense or defense in terms of the players they have. And I feel like they keep getting out-coached week after week. It's concerning to see. I mean, Mike McDaniels totally out-maneuvered Stefanski in this one. Well, you know who was on that Falcon staff, Nick, Mike McDaniel.

You know who was on the Brown staff a couple of years? before that, Mike McDaniel, and his coaching makes their offensive line better. I feel like that's the undersold part of this whole Dolphin season. Remember everyone said the Dolph's offensive line is terrible? Tua never gets touched. I know the ball is getting out quickly, but now you're seeing it in the running game too. And Jeff Wilson is a lot less stiff in the passing game than Moster. And ultimately, they're playing mostly on passing downs.

Wilson, in two weeks, has passed him and is their main back. They did lose Emmanuel Agba for the season today, who's one of their highest paid players. They are pretty banged up on defense. But that Chubb move now looks even more important that they got them. Shucky, Miami scares me. They scare me. Yeah. They're the real deal in this division. And the bills, I know what happened the last two weeks. The bills are still the bills. This is a really good division with, I think Miami is starting to knock on the door of like we might be an elite team. We know the Jets are a team on the rise. The pats are in the mix. This is a very interesting division as we head towards Thanksgiving. And they have a win over the

bills. They do. Shoki, one and done for you, baby. Now you get more time. In and out. There we go. Just like the burgers.

All right, buddy. Love you. See you, Nick. All right. Let's keep moving on to another big time game. You never count out

number 12. 28-yard field goal attempt. Mason Crosby for the win. Snap placement. Kick is. up. And it is good. And there is your dagger. Mason Crosby, who's done it again to the Cowboys. And the Packers have ended the five-game

losing streak. A huge win for the Green Bay Packers. Wayne Larravee for the call WRNW. Mason Crosby made the kick in overtime. But it was Aaron. Rockley made the kick in overtime. But it was Aaron Rogers making huge plays all night long including three touchdown passes to rookie Christian Watson keep on that keep an eye on that as a potential major development for this team and a big connection in the overtime period to Alan Lazard I believe to set up that field goal Packers 31 Cowboys 28 and Gregie the Cowboys were up 28 14. in this game seemed to have it in control and it just got away from him.

No, it did, you know, another lock from ahead for me and Mark was along with this one too. All my locks this year. I just checked. All of them have given up double-digit leads in the fourth quarter. That's happened to me twice this season. So it's that type of year. But that is the NFL.

Mark and I were talking about it early in the game and I'm like, well, I'll just wait to the fourth quarter because nothing matters until then anyways. And I thought this was deserved to go to overtime because even though the Cowboys got up to touchdowns here. At no point did they look like the superior team. The Packers had a lot of great signs today. You mentioned Watson. That's number one. Aaron Rogers played really well for the most part. I think their game plan to stick with the running game was smart and they played

physical and it just looked like two really good teams that should have been just about tied the entire game going blow to blow for blow. And Dak had a couple interceptions where it was maybe on the receivers not running the right routes, and then Dak brings them back, and the receivers for the Packers make a couple mistakes, and then Rogers brings them back, and it just felt like two really good teams, and that means it's the

best Packers game of the season. It might have ended basically on a holding call in overtime. Dallas was moving the ball really well, chunks at a time. They were in field goal range, and a holding call backed them up for, what was it, a second or in 20, and they didn't recover out

of that. But that's football. Danny. That's football. Yeah, they passed on a fourth and four. They went for it instead of about a 55 yard field goal. And that came after the end of the fourth quarter where the Packers had gotten the ball back after a stop and had a chance to win the game in regulation. And then kind of like, I don't know, they got inside their heads a little bit played. It's a terrible last two minute drive for the Packers. Poor play calling, poor use of the clock. And it gave Cowboys a chance to to win the game in overtime. But give Green Bay credit their defense without Rishon Gary with all the issues they've had got the big stops.

And this is what I was talking about on Thursday, Mark, with Rogers that he Stick a fork in them. Yeah, we did fork them. Packers. They took a message. They took it. Yeah. When he went on McAfee's show Rogers and he said, you know, I am the back-to-back

reigning MVP that really did ring a bell for me. Like, uh-oh, this sets up pretty well for them as a caged animal, wounded deer type game. And that's exactly how this ended up playing out. So credit to Rogers and the Packers because they saved their season here potentially. Well, they did. I mean, we forked them, but in real life, they are very much still in the mix. If they're going to play like this, and I, you've been waiting all year for someone to emerge in the passing game.

And Christian Watson, it's not perfect, be it 88 yards all year long until today and showed up in the big spot. I do think, though, like Mike McCarthy was freaking out after that one pass to lamb on third and four. there was a clear to me a defensive pass interference that was just not called. And I, you know, little things like that. Well, that was why he slammed it down. You're right. The holding call and then it looked like a pretty clear pass interference on Jaya is. But it's not surprising they missed that.

I'm just saying like we could be talking about something very different. It's a kind of game where little things like that happen. But again, Green Bay ran the ball really well. They found something in the passing game. It's like with a lot of these teams, if this is the version you get of the bucks, If this is a version you get of Green Bay, the rest of the season, the NFC, takes on a bit of a different complexion. Well, right.

I don't think they made some big statement that they were, like, better than the Cowboys. It's a huge win, though. They've had the wrong side of essentially end-of-game luck a lot this year, and now it kind of worked in their favor. But the fact that they went blow-for-blow, and the defense, it was like a full-team victory. The defense, you mentioned, got three stops in a row at the end. So it wasn't just the overtime stop.

They got two stops in the fourth quarter when I expected the Cowboys to be able to run the ball and do that. that fourth quarter thing that's happened to the Packers' defense, it didn't happen. I think it is a huge statement by the Packers. And listen, they've been so inconsistent this year. They run a five-game losing streak. Even with this win, they're four and six and have a lot of work to do. Titans and Eagles next.

We've got a nice TNF game. Yeah, you're going to want to say you've got to get out of there with a split at least. If you get swept there, you're pretty much close to cook there. So our fork situation, that could be still something where we don't sweat out. But at the same time, it's like, I think the running game, was better. The defense stepped up. But Rogers, if we're going to kill him like we killed him last week and he deserved it, you really got to credit him from making big throws in this game. And the Watson thing, part of the reason why they were three and six going into this game.

It's not Watson's fault. He's a second round rookie. But it is that they haven't had that guy that they could connect with and make big plays. So for one leak at least, they found him. Let's see if they build on that. Right. And the fact that he started the game looking like a volleyball player spiking down multiple throws on their first drive, which ruined their first drive. And then he didn't know the ball was coming to him on another beautiful long pass by Rogers that could have been a touchdown late in the game. He actually still made those rookie mistakes, but Rogers kept going to him because he's a real dude. If you really look at it, just those three catches alone,

Rogers only threw 20 passes in this play game. He only had six attempts in the first half. He played a close to perfect game, missed like a couple reads, and that was about it. He played awesome. So they ran the ball 39 times. I mean, the thing with, like, I think that Aaron Rogers, yes, his delivery verbally during the week. And the way that, you know, even today he was going off on Matt LaFloor big time after that one busted drive. I, like, I do get where he's coming from, though, with his frustration.

You're a two-time MVP. You came into the season. They traded away Devante Adams. And for two plus months, he has been out of sync with a wide receiver core that is young. That doesn't seem to kind of jive with their offense or know how to get into in a unison. with Rogers. He, after the first touchdown to Watson, which was, I think, 60 some on yards, they showed, you know, the classic cut to Rogers after the throw.

And he kind of threw his hands up like, it's not that hard. Like, help me out here. I'm going to keep putting on you. Help me. Right. Help you. And in this case, everyone helped out. And the Packers saved their season for one Sunday at least.

Let's move on to another game that Greg says is in the conversation is the greatest game of the year. No regrets. Blitz is on. Giants get it. Jones gets hit, throws it left, caught by Slayton, runs out of a tackle. He's got a first end of the 40, down the left side line, 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5. Dyes for the end zone is he in? Touchdown, Giants! Darius Slate, 54 yards, and a third and nine.

Heck of a place. I thought we were doing the... Yeah, I don't think you had to reference this as Game of the Year fodder. I don't remember you saying that. Don't be smirch my name with this Texans trash, please. Apologies. Bob Papa with a call on W-F-A-N. Yes, it was Dary Slateon with a 54-yard touchdown.

But it was Sequant Barclay, who again was the bell cow for the juvenile, who ran for 152 yards on 35 carries. That's a career high and a 24-16 win over the Moribund, Houston Texans. That's one, but it's not the last. That's where your thoughts on this one. You are correct about the Moribund's statement. You are correct, sir. On the Texans, that is true.

Giants, though, I mean, coming out of their by, this was sloppy early on. And what I loved about it was you got the Brian Dable, like, nucleus exploding. And he's a very active coach on the sideline. And there was a series where early on. Animated. It was fourth and one. And an offensive lineman, you know, he's all over the offensive line. They try to recrap that thing.

And he goes off sides and it blows up their chance to go for it on fourth. than one, and Daeball was just on the sideline screaming at the entire bunch. Later on, there was a 14-yard punt from the fourth and 23 from the Houston 40, which had Daibald throwing his headset down. They tried to put Kenny Goladay out there for some reason, who was an absolute disaster. I don't know. That's been one of the worst free agent signs of our lifetime. Can I jump in one second on that one?

Yes. Because I love when, I love when Roder World just gets feisty around this time of year. and their headlines, NYG colon, Kenny Galday goes off for one drop in Giants win. You get a terrible drop, and it's just like bang out of the lineup. But they did get their act together, and it had a lot to do with their defense. And I know you're playing the Texans,

but the Texans, I will say one thing. You can call them Moribund, but they do find ways to stick around in these games. We saw it a little bit against the Eagles, which should have just blown their doors off. But in this one, they, at one point, they're down 21 to 10. They mined down to New York Giants 10. And the Giants get a fumble off Damien Pierce.

That was huge. I mean, it basically kind of took the air out of the Texans balloon. There's not a lot of air in that balloon. There's not a lot of air in that balloon. No, they're one, seven and one. Team, we're going to get to five and a half or four and a half the over. Not looking good right now. You know, like when your kid, my son Harrison just had his birthday.

And you know when there's a Mylar balloon that you purchase for way too much money. And then it's the party happens, but you don't want to throw out the balloon because you paid goddamn $14 for it. So it stays in the kids' room. And then three weeks later, you realize it's still there, but now it's on the floor. Or it's like a foot and a half off the ground kind of thing. Oh, no, it's on the ground. It does have any.

It's still just, it's like in a launch period. Technically, it's still a balloon, but no longer what it once was. A depressing state for that balloon. I mean, they got Mills on an interception in the end zone on the next drive. They just, they did what they needed to do. It's a typical ugly. Is this a sentient balloon? I don't know.

Was it feeling bad about itself in my children's bedroom? No, I think it was close to the end of its existence. I think a depressing state for that balloon would be a good sound job. Just because you delivered it with the vigor of a professional broadcast. You're welcome. Anything else from this game, Mark, that really jumped out to you. Because as someone that I will be watching it for power rankings reasons, I feel like this is exactly what I would expect it here.

Sequan would get the ball a ton. They'd find a way to get a couple touchdowns. Houston wouldn't score enough points. And the Giants get that seventh win and kind of leaves you a little bit. I know you're a bigger fan market of the Giants. me um but like kind of like do what do we think about the giants no this is this is their identity i mean they pulled out the win um i think they did it with good coaching with with their main stars sort of showing up the best they could uh it was if you were to dream of this game at night

before it occurred and you would a dream realistically this would be the dream that you would have right i mean hey they covered they uh they got to just win these games boring dream they got to win that they're supposed to win and they will be going to the playoffs they are now in second place in the NFC East. We're still waiting for the Eagles to play Monday night, but now they're a game ahead of the Cowboys who are three-back potentially in the Eagles. It's just you keep stacking up these wins and it's very close.

I want to just close by saying this isn't, I'm not trying to denigrate with the Giants have done. It is pretty amazing that Brian Davey has this team at seven and two. I don't care what they're, who they've beaten. That is a great, great start of the season. The way they vote for that. One quick thing is 35 carries for Barclay. That's a lot.

is outrageous. They had a 30-1 carry game for him earlier in the year. And then at 13 the next week. So maybe they'll be conscious of it, but the history of players having injuries after 30-plus-type games when they're not named Derek Henry. Well, they're really given Daniel Jones 17-th, I mean, attempts in this game. And also, playing around Daniel Jones.

Not for nothing, running back who is known for getting injured. Keep an eye on that. Just give Matt Breda some carries. You'd still beat the Texans. And now, Greg Rosenthal's submission for greatest game of the season ever ever here we go boys let's get off this field there's the shotgun

snap the field he's back field's looking feels pressure he's going down no he stayed up oh yes this is fun oh angel he tries

angeloni julio great mom finally took it down oh my goodness I've never seen anything like that In your life, have you seen anything like this? Gregie, you're right.

The team of A.T.L. is back. We back, baby. We back. Turn up on my headphones. The team. Team. Sing it, Gregi. The team.

Team. Team of A.T. Sing it, Mark. Oh, he's not feeling it. This is why I don't quit on him, Mark. He is feeling it. I don't like... I don't like...

I don't like... I don't like the caption. Respect the songmark. Oh, A.T. Listen to this part. Very special. Ow! I don't like this caption that I...

Suggesting that I quit on them. I just, I was disappointed in them. Let the audience know what you're talking about. On the YouTube copy of this, it says, Hey, Mark... Such is YouTube. There were many, multiple platforms. Very many platforms.

This is why you don't quit on the team of ATL. Well, tell yourself that. I didn't quit on the team of ATL. I just was disappointed in them weeks on it. I was trying to get him excited during this game too. And he was like, well, I do. I kind of like Justin Fields. And that's fine.

We all like Justin Fields is a superstar. And that's why this is one of the candidates for the games of the year. Oh, different show. Because Justin Fields lit it up. He does everything in this game. 147 yards on the ground. Wait, I didn't even say what happened in the game. Hang on.

Hang on. That was the big stop by the Detroit Lions defense, the much maligned Detroit Lions defense in a game where Justin Fields Again, pounding on the door of the Superstar Club. Not yet, son, because the Lions and Dan Campbell get the stop. Win 31.30. I think there's a P.A.T. shenanigans involved here, Greg, you're going to tell us about. Okay, there is the table set.

We got a little carried away. I get carried away when I talk about the three and six bears versus the two and six lions. It doesn't get any bigger than that NFC North action on real grass. They're trying to play us on artificial turf. Check out those injuries. It's not happening in Chicago. They just did a survey where they... It's kind of similar in terms of the injuries.

Don't be a company man here. Literally, that's the data. This was a beautiful game. A 14-point comeback by the Lions, so improbable because it wasn't just a 14-point comeback in the fourth quarter. It was one where the Bears started the fourth quarter with the ball. And to that point in the game, the Lions' defense had created one stop. The Justin Fields just had them in a torture chain.

every time that they thought that they had him, he scrambles out and gets a touchdown. He did it scrambling on a third down. He did it on third downs throughout the game, but he also had a ton of great throws. And because of the run game, they would just bite on the play action and leave guys wide open.

And they didn't know anything. They didn't have any clue of what to do. And yet in the fourth quarter, you got to give the lines defense credit for forcing a three and out, for getting a pick six where pressure and Aiden Hutchinson in the way of the receiver

made Justin Fields frizz out and throw a terrible pick six. Right after that, Justin Fields gets that 62-yard run that I'm sure our listeners have seen that was incredible. But after that, a couple more stops, including that one to end the game. Meanwhile, just Jared Goff is doing his Jared Goff fourth quarter thing and making plays. And this Lions team for the second straight week, look, if Dan Campbell's ever going to turn his career around, this is how it would look. at home against the Packers in a game that felt like you shouldn't have won. On the road against the Bears down two touchdowns. What's the last time they won on the road?

Not in the Dan Campbell era. Two times in the road in the division. This is how it would look. It was stirring. I don't like to do this on the show, but sometimes there's a lot going on on a Sunday. I don't know this. I just saw a couple tweets from angry Bears fans

that they said the officials played a major role in how this game closed it. Did you sense anything officiating-wise that was fishy? I need some more specifics on which. plays their calling. I mean, they could have their kicker hitting extra points. So they're just crying in their milk.

I'm sure there was some questionable call at some point. All right. So there you go. We'll never get that time back. Oh, no. How disaster. Who is this?

Speaking of missed extra points that banged me in a big spot. Locked up the Bears, Justin Fields against this defense. Was everything I expected until the final drive attempt to go win the game and then they lost. The locks that hurt the worst.

are the ones where they're in your back pocket. And you'll even move on with your day. Two touchdown lead in the fourth quarter. I'm like, here we go. Good job, Bears. And it happened to you. Sorry, Justin. The witching hour got me.

Yeah, you didn't lose any ground, though. Nobody lost ground today. Some credit for Jared Goff here, though. I was about to make this whole thing of like 20-22. This is like a perfect example of Stone Age ponies versus like the new NFL. That's what it looked like through three quarters. But Goff was just hanging back there. This bear's defense is terrible.

they created no pressure, and he hung back there and made a lot of good throws in the fourth quarter. Amon Ross, St. Brown, with over 100 yards, Jamal Williams, with some big runs at the end. And yet, Goff is in his final swan song as a starter in Detroit, I would imagine. Sure. And the Bears, I don't really, Bears fans, you could be annoyed with the refs. You want to win these games. You want to hang around in the NFC. You've got something special.

You've got a future. I mean, if anything, literally, it's another one of these things that four weeks ago, Justin Fields was viewed, I think, widely as sort of a bottom seven quarterback in the league. And everything has changed, right? Everything's changed. Some of my favorite plays from him today were when the rush got there

and he kept his eyes downfield and it looked like he was going to run and then made a really nice throw. He's doing it all. I mean, they ran for 258. They were like a bear's dream. So they set that record. They became the first team in NFL history

to do that five weeks in a row, that 200 plus mark, that the 76 Steelers held that. Mark, previous. Fields has a rushing and a passion touchdown in five straight games. He also has the most rushing yards in the history of the NFL in a five-game stretch for any quarterback. I mean, it's just outrageous. You don't get into the Superstar Club without a really good resume and team success as well. But what he's doing right now, it is eye-opening.

I think he's there as a passer yet, though? Maybe not. I think it's just that his overall game puts them in there. Mark, will you, going forward, give the Lions your full heart? I, see, here's the thing. Like in hard knocks He can't even give a yes or no answer I absolutely support what the lions are

I think Dan Campbell is totally enjoyable Going back to Hard Knocks I absolutely adored them I was just simply disappointed them In them the way you would be with a child Yes or no Will you give them your heart? Yes I give them my heart

They already had ever stopped talking Greg It is just another fabricated narrative on this show This one's not fabricated I do like other teams the comments that maybe regretted, you know. Let's finish strong lions. Let's take a break. Showing some heart here, lions.

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26 to 10 oh i love it i love when mitch holtis hits us with the sweet nectar Great job by the radio guys today. Great job by Drew. They were on it. Justin, everyone behind the glass every week. The work that's being done behind the glass does not go overlooked. It's pretty good. WDAF and Patrick Mahomes threw for 331 and touchdown passes to four different receivers.

The Chiefs offense nearly 500 yards. Three turnovers, too. In the end, Greg, 2717 win over the Jags. I'm seeing some talk out there. There was a good quarterback play on both sides in this game. I would agree with that. And one of the turnovers was on a kick return to end the second half. And it was a reminder, like, how many things have to go right to beat the Chiefs?

In the first half of this game, the Jaguars had a couple turnover. They forced a couple turnovers and they had a successful onside kick to start the game. They stole three possessions. And they were down 20 to 7 at a half time. Despite stealing three possessions, both quarterbacks were great, but only one of them was Patrick Mahomes and only one of them was coached by Andy Reed who kind of had it all over.

Doug Peterson just, Doug Peterson played a little cautious despite that onside kick. He decided to punt in multiple situations where he should have gone for him. How do you do that? How do you go from onside kicking to start a game to play in conservative attack?

It was crazy. Go all in. Like the routes that in the route combinations that the Chiefs had just had the Jaguars scrambling where it felt like they almost won this game before it even started. Were we with the, I know you picked this largely because Tony Romo was operating as the color broadcaster. What happened with him fawning over Patrick Mahomes?

It was one of my like safe bets on the Friday Fun Show. I'm so glad you asked. I have this little note card of things to talk about. I circled Romo plus. And what that means is I think Romo has his fastball back or at least he did today. He made a lot of really incisive comments about the development of Trevor Lawrence on some throws that he didn't see Trevor Lawrence that I was like, okay, you're teaching me something here. He talked about the way that Kelsey was running his routes and Juju Smith-Schuster,

how Juju's kind of getting how Patrick Mahomes thinks that don't run it like it's written up on the textbook, start adjusting in the way Mahomes wants to. And he had a couple great examples with Juju and Travis Kelsey that were both big plays. And I think we're one of the reasons why this game never felt that close. We're going to watch this. You mentioned Tony Romo. I went his eyes, the eyes of Patrick Mahomes. how Mahomes is just dominating this game with his eyes.

The new Tony Romo in my eyes is Mark Sanchez. And he will be on our show on Tuesday. Mark Sanchez on around the NFL Tuesday. Keep getting these incredible guests. Tune in for that. How about this, Cadarious, Tony, touchdown, he's catching the ball, he's running the ball. We've talked about why he potentially can be a big-time fit in this offense. Once he gets reps, you're seeing some of that in this game?

It was only a couple of plays, but you could see his athleticism. The run after the catch that he made not on the touchdown was just outrageous. And he just skied high for another catch. I guess it was like three different plays. This is athleticism. And they might need them more because Juju Smith-Schuster got hit in the helmet in one of the craziest non-penalty calls of the year. They didn't give a intentional or a roughing. But they threw the flag and then picked it up.

And it was a clear targeting where they hit him in the helmet. We both watched that replay. It's like, what compelled them to pull the flag off the turf? It was Andre Sisko of the Jaguars. So we're not happy about it either. Right. Cisco of the Jaguars was taking out the entire receiver group. He then took out Valdas Scantling on a play where it looked like he kind of launched himself.

Valda Scantling did end up returning. And that one was a little more borderline. But the Chiefs should have been unhappy. Jaguars fans got to be happy, though. These were two great games by Lawrence in a row. I know you set me up to start there. For the most part, he played outstanding and had four or five just beautiful throws in this game. So another nice step.

That's like all you want to see from the Jaguars at this point in the season. I mean, they're not a playoff team at all, but like a definitive growth from Trevor Lawrence to go into next off season. They got two dudes, him and the E.T.N. And Kirk is a great slot receiver. It's good signing. Like that ended up being a good signing. And the Chiefs are now seven and two. They get the Chargers next week.

They take care of business there. That division looks like it's going their way. They're number one. I think how recently that last game of the year was against Buffalo. That was kind of the game of the year. People were trying to say, I didn't think so. And they were down a game and the tiebreaker, and now they're up on the bills.

Speaking of the playoffs, the number one seed last year, the Tennessee Titans, they've been on a roll. They look to keep it going against the Broncos. Wilson, under pressure, stepping up, firing downfield. It's tipped and intercepted by Mitchell, who takes a knee. at the one. Yeah, let's take that one home.

Get out of here, I am scanning for a flag. I am not finding one. And the tights are going to win this football game with 11 seconds to go. All right, there we go. So we got two wheeze today. And now we got a let's let us.

Two wheeves and an us. They are literally team employees. Right. Get like a Super Bowl ring if they win. I enjoy them leaning into it. I have no issue with it. It's something in the New York media they were taught not to do. So if you're from that land area, the country, you didn't hear it as much, but you hear it all over the place.

I think it's nice. Mike Keith with the call, WGFX. Yes, Terrence Mitchell had the interception to ice the game and Ryan Tannahill, who they're rolling. They lost wet last week, but I think that's six out of seven now for the Titans who take care of business against the Broncos, 17. 10 wasn't easy. They rallied back from a 10 point deficit to do it. Tannahill, obviously on the bad ankle. And you could see it. He was limping after one scramble, but he made a couple big passes, touchdown passes on a day where Derek Henry was unable to get going at all. So that is a good sign for the Titans that they can win a game when Henry does nothing. And Tannahill,

I thought, played very well. It's bringing the grave digger on this. And when I say he played very well, it's not going to statistically, it's not going to jump out at you. But I thought given the fact that clearly he's not 100%, and Denver, even without Bradley Chub anymore, this is still a good defense that was playing well. I thought he really muscled up, including at the end of the half of that big touchdown pass, that kind of changed things. Yeah, Tanna Hill put together a great two-minute drive with Henry barely on the field for that, for that drive, drove him all the way down the field and threw a dot to Nick Westbrook-Akeena

in the back of the end zone to make it 10-7. at halftime. And then he had the huge play to get to 14 with the flea flicker touchdowns, also to Nick Westbrook Aquina, who really stepped up and had a career game, five catches, 119 yards, and two touchdowns a week after the Titans receivers all combined for zero catches. So obviously, Tanna Hill being back is a huge part of that. But also guys stepping up and making plays helped a lot. Traylon Burks was back for this game. But this game also featured a combined total of 17 punts between the two teams. It's going to be a tough game pass.

This is the recipe for a 45-minute game pass. And this game ended like a lot of games had already gone final and this game still had like five minutes left in the fourth quarter. Yeah, the Titans, you know, they gave the Broncos a chance in the fourth quarter that bring Malik Willis on the field and a key third downplay that leads to a fumbled snap, which gave the Broncos life. And yet, and this isn't breaking news, but, you know, It is so hard to watch.

You thought maybe a buy week and a chance to reset and maybe Russ gets healthy. Maybe a different version of the Broncos offense shows up. But Wilson was just completely under siege. Great job by the front seven of Tennessee, obviously. But there's also a lot of stuff going on here with the Denver offense. It just seems to me that Wilson, and again, this is everyone seeing this, but you watch it and it just, it's glaring when you think about what Denver gave up to get him and how in deep they are, that he's a beat or two or three.

three slow to recognize pressure and he doesn't seem to have the athleticism Russell Wilson to escape in addition to accuracy issues he's had it's kind of it's just he's not a very good quarterback right now and I don't know what they do about this that's the bigger concern for me it's just like wait a minute this isn't a just now thing potentially it could be who Russell Wilson is going for they lost Jerry Judy that did not look good it looked like an Achilles when it happened on the first series of the game they said it was an ankle and Ian Rappaport reported that it's not an Achilles but it looked Pretty bad.

Judy in the locker room said he hopes he might even just be a low ankle sprains. Yeah, we should be. He was grabbing at the back. The fact that they come back from the buy and then in the second half of the game have five punts in an interception. And Judy gets hurt in the first. O for eight on third down in the second half the Broncos were. But also they came into this game without their starting right tackle Cam Fleming

and their starting center, Lloyd Cushenberry. Whatever. The Titans were down seven defensive starters. Literally seven defensive starters. I know that. But then they also lost Billy Turner and Graham. Glasgow, their backup center and their backup right tackle. And so they were down to third to, they had a rookie third string center snapping the ball. And they had multiple mishandled

snaps in the fourth quarter after this guy came in the game. I think it's important that you say that, Justin. But also when you give up what you did to get Russell Wilson, he's supposed to lift your team up a little bit. And they get down to the red zone in that final minute. And I think it just says so much that I know you're a fan of the team involved. So it might be different from you. I had no confidence at all that it was going to end with a touchdown for the Broncos, just because we've seen it too much this season. And I just want to play something, Mark, and I want you to react to this from Nathaniel Hackett, who he knows his job is in danger right now.

And he knows why his job is in danger. And I wonder at what point he is going to start pushing back on it's all on me. Who else should you be blaming here? It's another close game, another one-score game. And we feel like, you know, the defense stepped up to the challenge with Eric Henry, I give our defense so much credit. And, I mean, the offense has to find a way where one scores each time. But I think what you're pointing to a little bit there is that this has to be a fractured locker room.

And if you're Nathaniel Hackett, the one thing we've heard from players, guys, like when you talk to MJD, other stuff, is like coaches, a first time head coach has to come in with a special trait. It's really unclear. In fact, it's clear to see that Nathaniel Hackett is not offering a special trait right now. And the players in these meetings week after week, you just start to. lose them. Well, what I'm saying, what I think he's saying there, and of course, who knows, but the offense has to find a way. I think he's saying Russell Wilson has

to find a way. Help me. Help me, man, because we need, we need you. We need to save us because you were supposed to save us this season. The only thing is, though, you could point to, especially early on the year, five games in a row where coaching decisions and coaching management sunk the team. He should be in danger. So it's a shared issue. He should be in danger. They're giving up less than 17

points a game. In 2020, This is amazing. And they're three and six. That says it all. That's hard to do. All right. Let's move to Sofi Stadium where the Rams and a battle of backup quarterbacks, same old problems popping up.

McCoy drops back to throw a deep ball left side and a one-handed catch by Rondale Moore. What a dime by Cole McCoy. Incredible grab by Ron Dale Moore. Oh, my goodness. Cole McCoy just dropped a P and with Fimble. You've got to be. kidding me yes yes oh what a day for the radio crews Dave passed but that was Ron Wolfley yeah mister it's a Dewey leaf our sunlight moonlit night so I don't know he's the best

KMVP we highlighted that we all watched together in the newsroom because Colt McCoy hung tough came back from a banged up knee earlier in the game and then delivered that strike on fourth down to Rondell Moore that basically put this game away 27 17. The Cardinals beat the Rams here in L.A. across the sidewalk. And let's start with the Cardinals, even though I believe the Rams are the more intriguing story. You've got to give him credit. They took care of business here. Rams team that was playing with John Wolford at quarterback. But it was Kyler Murray out with a hamstring mark. And he gets replaced by Colt McCoy, who does the job and leads his team to a win. I mean, Col McCoy did this last year. He came in and he's just, I'm not, I know that when I'm around you guys, I'm like a huge Colt McCoy guy named my child Colt after Colt McCoy based on stuff from a long time ago and he was on the Browns.

Here's the thing, like he comes in, he's just solid. The chemistry that Kyler was showing with DeAndre Hopkins transferred to Colt McCoy. The A.J. Green, who's essentially vanished from the atmosphere this season, suddenly making big catches with Colt McCoy. So he just came in and did what you need a backup quarterback to do, which is not really what John Wolford did. And I think if you're the Rams, you're a burning house right now.

This is a big problem. Well, we get on Cliffs so much for not providing an advantage. I mean, this is kind of a coaching game, and the Cardinals won. You could, you could, like, Dan is so down. Like, I get it. I'm just saying, John Wolford. Well, no, my point is, if they had lost to John Warford, would be the flip side. The point is, it's like they threw the ball 11 straight times to start the game.

They showed a lot of confidence in McCoy there with the fourth down, and they, like, threw the ball the whole game. They ultimately had the better looking offense, and I was disappointed by the Ram. defense. I did not expect the Rams defense to allow 27 points to Arizona. I know the Rams' offense contributed to that, but ultimately, Colt McCoy led them on three really long touchdown drives. Terrible. Jonathan Vilma was all over it. He was like, even when the Rams are making big plays on defense and getting off the field, they're not that excited. That like...

You know what I talk about bad vibes in a locker room. Right. That like they don't think their backup quarterback's going to make any play. So even when they make a big play, they're not celebrating. I mean, listen, it's unbelievable. We talked about going into this game like, oh, Matthew Stafford might not play with the concussion, but, you know, how much more of a downgrade could it be? I'll point to Cooper Cups that line today.

Three catches for negative one yards on five targets. The last target, a throw sailed out of bounds. That cup gives everything he has to grab in the second half gets rolled up on. And what looks like a bad potential lower leg ankle injury, looked like a guy that was going to miss significant time potentially. We'll see what happens. what we learn in the next 24 hours.

But yeah, you take cup out of the mix and there's just nothing there. And like on the Friday fun show, just because, first of all, it's well documented. I'm not a fan of this Cardinals regime or this team. And I thought the Rams would have some type of muscle memory to keep their season interesting here. And namely their big name players like Aaron Donald to step up and have a big game. And I look again, Aaron Donald, nowhere to be seen in the statute. One QB hit. And it's just this team is not.

They've no-showed, let's face it. The Los Angeles Rams have no-showed this season coming off their Super Bowl win, and you're seeing it week after week. There's going to be a lot of empty seats in this building in December. There were booze raining down at so-fied today, which is this is a team that is months removed from having won the Super Bowl. I think the frustration is at peak levels. I will say this about one little thing about Col McCoy, too.

I know Kyler Murray is an incredible talent, but the characteristic of that offense has been weird, bizarre gaps. Is you going to do it? Well, I'm just going to say, Paul McCoy is someone that came in and ran a cleaner ship today, cleaner offense. I saw this from a longtime Cardinals writer who is like, I think this is the offense Cliff wants to run. I think that says more about Cliff if that's even true. And then I thought, wait, this is the offense. Cliff has been running five yards per attempt.

They didn't go over 300 yards on the play. You're right. You didn't make it wasn't any different. The Rams offense wasn't even that much difference. The surprising thing here is that, yeah, the Rams defense got run over. And, you know, guys, presumably they come to mind because they're playing together behind PJ Walker right now. But Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, you could look as you spin forward in your career and look at Gino Smith as maybe the North Star after what he's been doing this year. Longtime backup has his moment.

But you know what? You could also calibrate this. Go for Colt McCoy. Play 12 to 14 years in this league. Make $3 to $5 million a year. have a couple good moments every year and then that pension and that notoriety and

the private jets, it stays in your life for years and years and wearing tears down. He's had a nice little career. He did it last year. He's doing it right now. Become a hard-knock storyline this week. I mean, there'll be a little more interesting this week now coming off a win. I'll let you guys

cover this hard-nox season. It's going to star Cole McCoy now. You guys should do a hard-knock's podcast. Mark, Dan's taking this personal because he's not doing a podcast. He's like, How dare they do it in season one? No, I was, they asked me to do the podcast. And I said, I'm not really interested in this team. And there's a lot going on in the league right now.

But it doesn't mean that you guys. We could. Couldn't do it. Let's see what the next episode brings. It would be, lock them in. That's a yes. It would be an absolutely flawless production to start two weeks into Hard Knocks with the podcast. Let's pencil, Greg and Mark in for, when do we wrap up the Tuesday taping?

Usually about one o'clock around lunchtime. I'm not agreeing to this. Just roll straight into a hard-knock's day. You can already say this is a hard no. Let's stress with a pencil, not a pencil. By the way, I thought you were going to break out the Moribund L.A. Rams. Because this was a fork off to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Let's see how it all started for Saturday on Sundays. It's confusing. Close downfield into the end zone. It's broken up by the Colts by Stefan. more. Devante Adams, the intended receiver, and no flags on the play, and the Raiders have turned it over on downs with under a minute to go. Oh, my God. That's good on good right there, and we won it. Yeah, we did win. That's three whee's bingo. Well, this is a deserved Wii. We got one, two, three hat tricks for whee's and an us. Matt Taylor and Rick Venturi.

Venturi with the big we there off the top term. Buckle out of nowhere. Macho man style. WFN.I. Yes, Matt Ryan got his job back. That was random this morning. And then he said, okay, might as well play well because I'm probably going to Hall of Fame and I'm better than the Ellinger guy.

Maybe shouldn't be in the league. Everything I said is true just now. Final score 25 to 20 Colts over the Moribund. Las Vegas Raiders in their building. I mean, are you kidding me? Mark Sessler, you were emotionally invested in this game. You're a fan of chaos. And the cults for one week at least prove the doubters wrong.

I mean, this game was bathed in ultra chaos. I can't really remember witnessing something like this from a thing where everyone all week long, like you said, just looked at the cults and said, you clowns. What a clown show, what a clown car you've become. And then suddenly, days later, Jeff Saturday, who was on ESPN a week ago, is winning a game as head coach of the Colts. And they actually looked functional today compared to weeks past. Now, you pointed it out.

I mean, Jeff Saturday arrives and suddenly Matt Ryan's starting. It's so unfair to Reich. Totally. Frank Reich has got to be. Now, Frank Reich's sitting home getting paid. But Frank Reich is a man of pride. We know that. Like, I mean, he put his heart into this job.

And he's watching Matt Ryan. play good football with a healthy Jonathan Taylor looking like Jonathan Taylor I get the number 32 defense I mean just it's it they I will say this though from the flip side from the Saturday part of this I wanted to see like if you're going to come in

out of nowhere you've been nothing but a high school coach you're a television analyst you've got mere days to organize a coaching staff that had fired their OC fired the quarterbacks coach you hand the offense over to Parks Frazier a 30 year old water boy like what this had This had the chance to be an epic disaster. Instead, I will say, like, they kept cutting to Parks Frazier up in the booth,

and you can tell he's a little underwater. Of course, we all would be running around, giving out coffee, crullers, calling plays. He's doing something different this time. He is calling the best cults offensive show of the year, and I'm telling you, like, it's kind of incredible and probably a little embarrassing to a lot of people that the cults in this situation, this was functional. Saturday seemed totally in control emotionally, and they won.

Well, I think you could be two things. I think everything last week was kind of a clown car for the Raiders, for the cults, the way they handled certain things. But at the same time, it's like, hey, these guys are all professionals. And you cannot sleep on one of the reasons why someone that is super plugged in like a Zach Kiefer for the athletic was like, I think maybe this team has one win in it. Because the organization is so strange and out of control right now that they went from having Ellinger as the quarterback on Friday to Matt Ryan, back after we were told, like, very specifically that he will not be the quarterback again

about four weeks ago. You put Matt Ryan back in, a guy that I think, if he's not a Hall of Famer, Greg, he is right on the cusp. He's a former MVP. It'll be discussed. It really changes things. And I think it's kind of a disgraceful look, quite honestly, for the Raiders to get beaten the spot. And what season mark is just crashed for this team. Well, you do look at a team that you don't have Darren Waller, you don't have Hunter Renfro. It's so much more than that, though. It is, but you've lost a bunch. There are, like, legit parts of this roster that are a mess.

Derek Carr, like, did not play. He played a good game. He at one point had 13 straight completions, 10 in a row on a drive that finished with a touchdown. They kept coming back, and, like, he and Devante Adams, we've seen this before. They got electric for, you know, 15, 16 minutes in a row. And they got enough from Josh Jacobs where they had a chance to win this game. But I don't think there's anything about the Josh. McDaniels experience right now that is anything other than a mess.

We just saw Josh McDaniels hugging Jeff Saturday at midfield. And McDaniels must be thinking myself, how the hell did I get here? Jeff Saturday, who as an analyst a couple weeks ago, we mentioned this, tweeted the Raiders basically suck. He was right. An analysis was great. You're saying like people must be embarrassed, you know, people who went hard on the Colts this week are like almost annoyed that they won this game. You know who also might be quarterback's coach of the Colts, Scott Milenevich, who turned down

the offensive coordinator job because he thought he was putting him in a bad spot. That's what our guys, Ian Rappaport and Tom Pelliserro reported. They weren't going to revise his contract either. And he was like, no. But here he is out on the field. And you must be watching this be like, oh, maybe I should have called. On the other side,

we were told that Derrick Carr was very emotional. None of us have heard this after the game. Here's what Carr had to say. Two and seven, the Raiders out. More abundant. Sorry for being emotional. I'm just pissed off about some of the things you know

that a lot of us try and do just to practice what we put our bodies through just to sleep at night and for that to be the result. And for that to be the result of all that effort pisses me off oof

I feel for Carr he seems like a good dude he's caught and there's a lot of criticism around this team he deserves some of it but two and seven this was not the plan and to lose to this Colts team like you're saying Mark and Greg

it's kind of like the low point and what's been a really low season in general you couldn't create a season to make you more emotional and upset if you are a Raiders fan. Because it's not like they've just looked like the worst team. Think about some of these games they've had.

They had the 20 to nothing lead against the Cardinals. They had the Titans game that they blew right at the end. They had the Chiefs game where they, on Monday Night Football, they look like they play amazing and go into Arrowhead and then blow it at the very end. They get it shut out in New Orleans, which is just incredibly deflating. They had the 17-point lead that they blew a week ago to the Jaguars,

and then you have losing to Jeff Saturday. I mean, that is a torture chamber. That is the worst season I've ever heard. And Mark, you were very excited. You're a man, an agent of chaos a la the Joker in the Dark Night. I mean, I'm not looking to create that kind of problem in our society. I was not, I thought the cults deserved whatever they had coming. Until for me, it hit a pivot point this morning on CBS's pregame show.

When the great Bill Cower shared a. long prepared monologue that ended thusly for an owner to hire a coach who's never been an assistant at the college level or the pro level and overseeing a very much a lot of candidates that are qualified for that job as we see in steve wilkes an opportunity to build a resume it's a disgrace to the coaching profession and regardless how this thing plays out what happened in Indianapolis is a travestoon. And like not, it's not that I don't disagree

with everything there, but it's just like serious football men has serious takes on a very serious issue. It's just football. The owner gets to do whatever the hell he wants. The owner liked Saturday. And I understand. But like, are we all crying in our beer

because John Fox didn't get another chance to do the head coaching thing in the NFL? Bill, calm down. Everybody relax. It's just football. And also, Jeff Saturday is, like, this is not someone with zero football experience in life. I get it was a totally out-of-the-box higher,

but, like, the drumbeat from the minute he got there was like, wait, this guy, we like this guy, this guy's good with us. It could be good for the cults. If either Dan or I, I would be more annoying, was sitting next to Bill Kauer as he was saying that and laughing like we were on this show, like, then that would have made for some good TV.

That would have been really spread. Perhaps he should hire. He would have punched us. That was like, like, like, You could put like Walter Cronkite reading the bullet newsflash from Dallas next to Bill Cower and Derrick Carr right now. You wouldn't tell what's the most serious situation. Except there were like tons of people saying similar things all week. I know, but it's just the way Bill said.

No, the delivery separates. Like a dad that's mad at you for bringing home a bad report card. Do you think this goes anywhere? This just like is a one one week fun thing. Well, I mean, I think what goes somewhere is if Matt Ryan's going to play the way he did today and Jonathan Taylor is going to run. Jonathan Taylor has not been in the all season. Taylor was excellent today. All right, let's wrap up the early games

with a trip to the field formerly known as Heinz. From the 38, third, and 10, getting the gun, Andy Dalton, gets the snap. He's back, has time. I thought Bill Carter is going to start crying. Because the Colts fired their head coach. Yes. And hired the ESPN.

That would have been amazing if he started crying. is up once again. And he shall be called Levi, the great one. No doubt about it. All right. Nice play there to seal it by the Pittsburgh D. Bill Hillgrove and Craig Wolkley, the call.

WD.V.E. Kenny Pickett and George Pickens ran for one-yard touchdowns and the defense with T.J. Watt back. Shut down the Saints. 20 to 10. Watts still believes they have a chance. to make a run at three and the six maybe probably not but mark um it was nice to see them getting the wind column and the saints are just a mess this year saints are a mess

Pittsburgh has been a mess they've been tough to watch but I think two things happen today for Pittsburgh their ground game which has been I think one of the root causes of why you know Kenny picket's been put into a tough spot passing the law because you don't buy their ground game Naji Harris has not been good today they just started they exploded They have not had a run all year long going into today of more than 20 yards. They had four of them. It was Najee Harris with a Titanic 36-yard run. Pickett ran for two of them over 20-plus.

He is good on the ground. And Jalen Warren end the game with a 21-yard run. On the flip side, Andy Dalton just had a classic sort of late game. Andy Dalton meltdown. He had a meltdown. I mean, this defense, they had T.J. Watt back and that changed the game right away. They're a different defense, obviously. but guys like DeMonte Cazio has not played at all

had a huge pick of Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton was stuffed on downs on a big fourth down attempt at sneak that went nowhere. Levi Wallace ended the game with an interception. So when you get that version of Andy Dalton because he still makes, he still throws the ball well.

And I think it's like, it's not just him, but they really couldn't get anything going with Alvin Kamara. Landry was back, Jarvis Landry. Chris Olave does wonderful things. But when Andy Dalton's going to give you those interceptions and that meltdown content,

a team like Pittsburgh with what they have, their defense took care of the job. I mean, the Saints had 10 first downs in 186 yards against the Steelers. 186. I know T.J. Watt was back, but they also had 10 penalties. I think they had a pre-snap penalty before they had a play, which is just their season. They are so injured, too, right now. So it's a combination of things. I think they're really poorly coached and they're incredibly injured.

And so, Greg, to your point, they had a new left tackle, left guard, and center in there. and I think that caused a lot of problems. Right. On defense, too, they were just like, they're just losing role players. And Pete Werner, my guy was gone to. Andrews P. Like, Callow, just a lot of guys were out, but they're sloppy.

And you talk about buy-in with Hackett. It's weird that there really are few one-and-done coaches, you know, in the last decade. And yet we've got four candidates. I was going to say we might need. Hackett, Lovie, D.A. and McDaniels are all at least conversations right now. And to me, I think the saint might be the most likely and has the potential to just get the ugliest moving forward.

Because that also feels almost like an interim hire. It's not like we went out and got this guy that we see as our dude for the next four years. It's like one and done. Check you later. I mean, they were talking them up as a guy that they really believed in, I thought, when the job changed hands.

I wonder if the old guy would potential be back in the mix. I don't think he's going to come back to this situation. He doesn't want to. That is ugly. We'll have a lot of time for that. but he could go to a two-and-done L.A. Chargers team potentially. Hey, at least the Steelers won a football game. The Steelers did get a W.

And how did Kenny Pickett look in this game? Really up and down. I just don't think he reads the field really well. I think his mobility really helps them. George Pickens and Pickett have a nice thing going on. You know, we'll make a couple throws. He's aggressive. I like that about him.

But I was almost surprised they didn't bench him at one point. But I know they just want to stick with him and see him through. What's a point. Whoa, really? I mean, I just like the first half of this, was a mess like it just he looked to me it was one of his one of his he's had a lot a bunch of a string of ineffective appearances just it didn't look like ready for prime time they had the ball for 30 or 1 p.m. Eastern 38 minutes the saints defense like just has no no back bone to it I know

it's okay it's great no it's just crazy like I know you but you had a lot invested in the 2022 saints and I did not do you did like you have a sort or fifth you have a saint you have a saint's Fourth or, oh, yeah, now I'm fascinated by what's going to happen next. But there's like I did like the Saints. Then they lost some games and the Seahawks started winning games. So now I like them. Exactly. Like, that's why you spread it out.

You just like team. You like a bunch of teams. Gino Smith. It's almost like you're loyal to not a team, but the whole of the sport. There we go. Come on, Justin. I know you got it in you. I'm loyal to football.

There it is. I was never pumping up this team, but it is, it is wild to get. have 21 minutes time of possession against this Steelers team who hasn't been able to like exert their will at all. All right. Good stuff. You know what else is good stuff? A little Sunday night football.

It's just going to be me and Mark. Dan has taken off into that dark Los Angeles night. All right. Let's do it. No timeout. It's 53 seconds. Need a touchdown. Sideline shot.

And ball is Hufunga. Picking it off. and run out of bounds at the 42-yard line. Omenah, who got the pressure, got the arm. Hufonga gets the pick, and the Niners are going to get the victory. That was Talanoa, Hufunga. Dan's boy getting it done in Dan's absence. 22 to 16, the 49ers get it done.

They shut out the Chargers, 12 to nothing in the second half. good offense, good defense, and ultimately smothered the Chargers. Mark, is this what Kyle Shanahan envisioned when he traded for Christian McCaffrey? Well, I think the second half was. I mean, the story of the game at halftime was the Chargers defense, which allowed 51 yards rushing after getting gashed weekly on the ground. And you thought that would have been the way the Niners would establish it at the outset. But in the second half, you got to the point where the banged-up chargers were down to three healthy defensive linemen.

And I think it allowed behind Trent Williams and the rest of the Niners' offensive line for them to just pound it away. I mean, they just, they were, the second half went by so quickly because that's what the Niners want to do. Just controlled, long drives and a couple key throws by Jimmy G. Right. It didn't feel like it's some great game by the 49ers offense when you finish with 22 points. And, you know, until late, until the fourth quarter, I think what they had 13 points or 12 points going into the fourth quarter. But after it was 13 to 3, they have a long touchdown drive that ended their possessions in the first half. Then they had a long field goal drive to start the third quarter. Then they have a long touchdown drive to start the fourth quarter.

They kind of did what they needed to do. They don't really get that much from McCaffrey. But this team is just like, someone's going to pop up out of all these guys. And today it was Ayyuk, and it was Elijah Mitchell. Kind of is weird that Elijah Mitchell got more carries than Christian McCaffrey. and looked better than Christian McCaffrey, but I guess that's a good problem. Also down at the goal line,

I don't know why they were using him the way that they do. But, I mean, for me, was also the defense because you look at the Chargers' second half possessions. Punt, punt, punt. Very little happened there, obviously, a drive that ended on downs. And then that final interception by Justin Herbert when they had essentially a minute to try to go downfield

and win with a touchdown, and they couldn't get going. Right. It's tough watching the Chargers. Like, you want to give them pass. on the back because, okay, nobody's out there and it's DeAndre Carter and it's Joshua Palmer and their injuries on defense have obviously been a problem too. But in the end, you look up and they had 12 first downs in this game and 238 yards. And I thought until the end, Herbert played

well. I do think he's going to have to get to a point where he's willing to force the ball into tight places that maybe he hasn't been willing to force it into because after that first touchdown drive and he had some beautiful throws on that drive and elsewhere in the first half when they got the ball down to the two he was throwing it short on third and long quite a bit and that's kind of been a Chargers theme that he profiles statistically and sometimes when you just watch the game as like an Alex Smith in Kansas City or a Drew Breeze late in his career and that shouldn't be Justin Hurray. No, like Brandon Stillie had those comments that you know now he's finally healthy no matter what we've been telling you and he's ready to be aggressive and be the old Justin Herbert.

And we just haven't really seen that guy in a while. He did have an incredible touchdown pass tonight to D'Andre Carter. It was like a typical like Herbert absolute dart. Right. And he had another great, he really did play fantastic in the first half. Like, Trey McKitty dropped a potential touchdown. He had another gem to Palmer that set them up inside the five that they didn't score a touchdown on. I thought that was a key play. But like, he needs to. to be brilliant. It's kind of like the Atlanta game a week ago. I thought he played great, and they end up with 20 points against Atlanta.

I thought he played really well in the first half tonight, and they go into halftime with 13 points. Even despite the fact that they got a couple things breaking for them, they got a recovered fumble, they had a special team's turnover, or special teams big play, and still nothing. Yeah, and it's like they talked about how Brandon Staley had a little bit of an edge to him in their meetings, the broadcast team with them, saying, why aren't we? being talked about. We are banged up to

like other team as we have this five and three record and you're five and four and I think this is we kind of saw tonight reasons why the Chargers aren't really talked about

in a certain special light potentially. Give me a break. He was the same guy that said a few weeks ago we've won three in a row but it doesn't feel like it. So that's why and they're doing fine.

They're five and four the season isn't over for them but they are in a Sunday night football and back-to-back week. So if you weren't inspired watching them tonight, they're going to be home against the chiefs. And I have a feeling there's going to be like a lot of Kansas City fans here in Los Angeles.

A lot of traffic here at our workplace, too. That is a concern. What do you think the traffic's going to be like tonight? There is a post-Malone show at the forum right next door. Concerned. I'm Ubering. I'm trying to catch an Uber somewhere. So as long as that employment type job for people that are drivers and driver, I don't know.

We don't know. We don't know. I think hopefully if they're in the post. Malone show, then we're good. No, yeah, that's true. This show won't be over. And, yeah, the 49ers end up with 157 on the ground. So it wasn't McCaffrey that got it.

Elijah Mitchell had 18 for 89. McCaffrey goes 14 for 38. McCaffrey, more involved in the passing game. Juan Jennings makes a couple plays. This team just has so many guys that are difficult to tackle that when Kittle and Debo are almost silent in this game, Debo had a couple runs, you still look fine. So they have a lot of different ways they can win games. That's why, like, I don't.

Yes, Grave-Digger. Yes, Grave-Digger. I just want to jump in to address the controversy that's going around on Twitter about this whole should have been a touchback towards the end of that game. Yeah. If you had any thoughts on it. I don't, I guess, you know, they weighed in that officially it should have been, like, to my eyes, it was like, the play was over.

At no point did they mention, though, that they blew the whistle before he got pushed into the end zone or fell back into the end zone. So at that point, the play's over. Right. And, yeah, maybe they made a mistake and blowing it too soon, but his feet were stopped. I mean, we're just picking nits. We got other things to be worried about when it comes to officiating. I'm not that worried about the guy, like, slowly moving back.

I'd agree with that take right there. Including the ejection in this game. That was a bit of a loose ejection for Jake Greenlaw, who clearly deserved a penalty on that play against Herbert, but that was a quick ejection. Asking defensive defenders to, like, simply move their bodies and shift in mid-air, depending on where the head of the quarterback is when he's tackled by someone else. Penal, but ejection?

I mean. All right, so the 49ers move to five and four. They have the seven spot right now in the NFC. It's not too early to start looking at this stuff, but they are tied in the lost column with Seattle. The Chargers now fall a couple games back of the Chiefs. The AFC West can be decided next Sunday night. But that's basically clinched next Sunday night, but that's next Sunday night.

This Sunday's over. Started in Germany. It's ending here. Dan's somewhere else in Los Angeles. You know who was in Germany, Justin Graver. Colleen Wolfe. Colleen Wolfe. And it was such an exciting day there.

We asked Colleen for some of her thoughts late in the German night. And after the outro here, we're going to say goodbye here. We're going to have a little Easter egg if you guys are curious what it was like to be there in Munich. But until then, for Mark Sessler. Dan Hansis. For Bono, for Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt, is it this Bono thing? For Nick Shook.

For Justin Graver. For Hufanga. For everyone. He'd the call. The end of that game, when we started the post-game show, I was supposed to start talking about how the bucks can build off this win. And did they turn the season around? And immediately, that felt so wrong.

And I just wanted to share what it was like to be in that stadium. while everyone remained in their seat well after the game finished. Nobody left. And everyone was singing and holding on to each other and swaying. And their lights were out on their phones. And it just felt so cool and so powerful. And just like a true connection where everyone was present and just living in the moment. And it was undeniable.

I don't know what it was like to watch on TV. I hope it came off that way because it was like the coolest thing that's ever happened in my life. And I know that it sounds like crazy hyperbole, but I have chills even just talking about it right now and to see Henry Hodgson and to see the German fans like really, really embrace. race this night and this day. It was so cool. I miss you guys. I feel really vulnerable at this point, so maybe it'll play it.

Just use it as background or, you know, use your judgment. Don't ruin my career. Okay, love you. See you guys soon. Bye. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here.

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