NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2022 Week 11 Recap: Nasty Little Thang

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap all the action from Week 11, starting with so-called game of the week with the Vikings hosting the Cowboys (2:35). Next, we cover Eagles at Colts (11:35) and both New York teams with Jets at Patriots (17:45) and Lions at Giants (29:49) before welcoming in Nick Shook for help with Rams at Saints (38:44) and Browns at Bills from Detroit (45:00). After that, the heroes hit Bears at Falcons (50:42), followed by Bengals at Steelers (57:41), Panthers at Ravens (1:04:29), Commanders at Texans (1:10:27), and Raiders at Broncos (1:16:26) before finishing up with Chiefs at Chargers on Sunday Night Football (1:22:23). Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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nasty little fang this Sunday football Sunday right yeah a bit of a come down from last week and I don't even mean that obviously with what would happen with the Jets today and we're going to get to that later

but it's almost like Sunday football Sunday woke up on the wrong side of the bed and was just like, I'm going to go about my business, but I'm just going to stick it to some people today. Just a little bit of a weird vibe to some of these games. Outside of the Jets, what do you mean? The Cowboys Vikings being the premier game of the week,

and I know we're going to get to it, and being a total no-show, that was a big problem. And this is universally, even though I'm referring to the League of Record and Fantasy that no one cares about, but like sub-100-point scores all over the place. I feel like there are a lot of strange happening. in our league

in this Sunday did we get some clarity in the league? I don't know. You know what I think it did a little bit? With a couple teams, and Greg and I were talking about this, teams like the Vikings, teams like the Giants,

where there's been all this national complaint about their records being inflated. Well, maybe we're getting a little bit closer to what the records are. I don't really feel that way about them necessarily because this is such a weird year.

I don't even know who's that good at this point. But maybe these teams deserved a little bit of an L to bring them back to reality. A little bit of a regression week. I like that as a theme. Some of these teams. Ravens took the week off on offense. That was a little bit of a weird game too.

Just a strange. No one's calling for that four days ago. Texans are still playing this season? Right. Fielding the team. Can I continue to? For some fan bases, it was kind of like I swallowed the sadness Sunday. Yeah.

You know, and we're going to get to all that. Got to go through that. But one of those fan bases, surprisingly, turned out to be the Minnesota of Vikings who entered week 11 with just one loss, riding high, welcoming him in a Cowboys team,

licking its wounds after a tough loss against Green Bay, and then this happened. Snap back to Prescott. He's got a lot of time. Deep down the right side. Oh, it's caught at the 45,

40, Pollard, 20, 10, Pollard. Uncle. 68 to Tony Pollard on third and 15. good night nurse yes nice call by brad sham the sham god k r ld uncle is right because just when you could start to talk yourselves into the vikings getting a stop and maybe getting on a second half bender there to make that game interesting tony pollard goes off for his second touchdown catch

of the game he finished with a career high 189 yards from scrimmage the cowboy sack kirk cousins seven times. That's the most. He's ever been sacked in the game. And when it was all over, when the carnage had completed, when the dust cleared, the Viking seven-game win streak over

because the Cowboys won 40 to 3. Greg, what did you see in this game? Because this was a first overall draft pick in our draft on Thursday for you. We were expecting this to be a great back-and-forth, close game, and instead it turned out to the biggest blowout of the year just about. Don't try to stick it to me

that once again, my first overall draft pick went bust. I think it's fair comment. You guys are calling this like the Jamarcus Russell of number one overall draft. Listen, maybe it's Swallow the Sadness Sunday for you too. I don't know. I wasn't said.

I was disappointed. Poor Tony Romo. He was trying to leave the booth by the third quarter. Tony Romo in a big spot in an NFC game. I was interested in it as, but I like good football. And so I wasn't as disappointed. Some blowouts can be entertaining. And watching the Cowboys play this well was entertaining.

just start with the offense, because when Dak Prescott is playing this clean and you have Tony Pollard as the lead back, oh, you can give Zeke some touchdowns at the goal line to make him feel good. You can start them in the game, which they did. To make Jerry Jones happy. Right. Let's be real. Tony Pollard is the lead back here. You mentioned his total yardage. Over 100 yards of that was over expectation, according to next gen stats. He's so good in terms of breaking tackles and making people miss and getting yards after contact leads the league in that but that to me was the key the vikings had one quarterback hit in this game no sacks almost a goalston we're going to make this thing happen dan who's we uh me and dack someone pointed out it was also a dirty peter at one point

and you just steamrolled it uh but let's keep going it was dirty peter years ago yeah but go ahead dac has been up and down i think since he's come back uh but his throws in this game were so accurate and I think what really stuck with me is the drive before half time. They get the ball back with 35 seconds to go inside their own 20 and instead with a 20 to 3 lead, the game's over at that point. It almost feels like and Mike McCarthy stays aggressive. They keep advancing the ball seven yards at a time and still there's no time left. It doesn't feel like there's going to be time great pass up the middle from DAC to get them somewhat in shouting distance and then one of the best throws of his life and one of the best catches of the year by C.D. Lamb on the sideline to set

up that 60-yard bomb by mayor. And it just got me thinking, like, this offense, when it's that aggressive, is right there with the best offenses in league, even without a wide receiver next to Cady Lamb. I mean, I think it's as much about the Cowboys defense. And we've talked about the Vikings, and the Vikings fans don't like to hear this about how they'll take naps. Who's your buddy again? Well, he, no, he texted me and said, no, this is a disaster.

So I think, you know, you're... I'm not looking to pile on. I'm just... Right, no, level-headed Vikings fans. I mean, what else is he going to say at this point? I mean, I think Vikings fans probably... He's swallowing the sadness. They were probably, like, waiting for a game like this to emerge at some point.

I mean, I don't know if this is a hangover from the Bills game. I don't... It's hard to describe a result like this. I, it does, again, it's so weird because last week didn't... It changed what I thought about the Vikings, like, from a psychological angle. I'm willing to take this just game and say, the Vikings are one of these teams in the NFC. They're there. Are they a dominant team?

No. I mean, there was a PFT, put them at number one. in their power rankings. I don't know what they were doing with that. Who's PFT again? Like Florio and PFT. Who's his favorite team? Well, it's the Vikings.

So I don't know if that was cooked into it. But this was a game where they punted seven straight times. Power rankings on power rankings crime here. Wow. You don't just wander into the power rankings game. I don't care who we are. Well, it's not rankings on rankings crime if I bring it up. You did not, you did not jump into that in a negative way.

Everything was bad for them. and I don't think it erases what happened. I do think there could have been a hangover from the Bills game that was an emotional game in the cold and all that. Yeah, but this is a huge game too. America's team coming in your building in the game of the week on Fox.

And you got another one on Thursday. It's the fact that it was both sides that were absolutely steamrolled. The offensive line was terrible in this game. Kirk Cousins had no chance. He was just pressured. Although the first sack of the game, the first drive of the game,

Michael Parsons gets him for a sack fumble. And that was more on Kurt. So it's like everyone had problems. And the Vikings defense, who to me isn't that special, gave up seven straight scores to start the game. Seven straight. It reminds me of like when we were all in the end zone at the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning versus the Seahawks right out of the gate.

The snap goes over his head. And you just knew it was over. It just felt like this is not going to work. And this game when it went and when it reached ultra disaster right out of it with Micah Parsons destroying Kirk Cousins. It was like they never. appeared again that was it that was the play that kind of set the tone for everything uh and yeah i think i think it's it's fair to say without being too much of a downer that the vikings are due for some

regression here that they are a team that was um eight and one with a minus point differential these are now they are now they are yeah now they have meant i all right so now they're eight and two with a minus point differential that doesn't mean they're bad that just means that there have been multiple coin flip games for them that went their way and I think it is not out of the realm of possibility that this team does come down to earth because they were never as good as their record was indicating. So I'm not putting too much into this loss. I think it's very good even though their bodies might not feel this way. Although you did get a lot of players got the fourth quarter off. You get to play on Thursday on Thanksgiving. And if you beat the Patriots, it's kind of

all washed away and you move forward and you're still in great shape. But it's humbling, I'm sure, at the very least to get beat like this in your building. Yeah, I wouldn't surprise me if they beat the Patriots. I just look at this season and I can't get too rattled by any one result. Yeah, they'll be back in the mix. We'll be talking about that game, but they won't have Christian Darisov for that game. So their left tackle, who's been a great story for them, probably headed to a Pro Bowl, suffered a concussion or was tested for a concussion for the second straight week, which is, you know,

we keep having these occurrences where guys are in. in the concussion protocol, return, and then have a concussion the next week. Now, Kevin O'Connell said they're going to be really safe with him. He's definitely out Thursday, and it could be a multi-week injury. And you mentioned there's been other injuries. They had to play Andrew Booth, who was a really high pick for them. Was he their first round pick or their second round pick? Either way, I think he was their first round pick.

He has been benched all year. He's been their fifth cornerback, and they haven't played him. And then today, when he played, they picked on him. And that's why he ended up leading their team in tackle. So they have some leaks springing up. When I see this game from Dak Prescott, 22 for 25. I mean, you were right. He's a little bit hot and cold, Dak Prescott.

That throw to Cidie Lamb, which, by the way, his arms were like 1.1 yards out of bounds, which is the most of players' arms have been out of bounds on a catch in three years, according to next-gen stats. It's a good player. It's a weird stat, but it was an incredible throw, an incredible catch. And, like, him and Lamb together, I mean, and you suddenly get pollered. A month and a half goes like, oh, just give Pollard a little bit of the workload. It's like, Pollard is an emerging star who fits perfectly into this offense. Pollard's one of the best running backs in the league.

He literally led the league in yards per touch a year ago, Danny, and he leads the league in yards per touch this year. You would think that would be like a superstar. That he would get, you know, credit for being a superstar. What's Jerry Jones going to say? He's still my running back. Zeke is still my guy with all the money. It's working.

This is working fine. The big person. Hey, did anybody see Zeke scored two touchdowns today? At one point, he goes, Zeke goes into the end zone untouched from one yard out. And your boy, Tony Rom was like, and that's why you got to play, Zeke Elliott. It's like, I could have scored that touchdown.

You could have. Whatever. Hey, the Cowboys, they're going to the playoffs, but they want to win the NFC East to do that. They need the Eagles to lose a couple times. And it was looking like a two-game losing streak for the Eagles until Jalen Hertz stepped up. Third down, game on the.

line. Hertz takes the snap. He's back. He's going to run. He's in. Touchdown. Jaylon Hurts. What a seal at that. Jalen Hurst. But the quarterback draw scores and the Eagles can take the lead with the extra point. Something tells me the Red Seas parting, Moses style doesn't happen if Shack Leonard is on the field there. That's one of the easiest touchdowns at a huge spot you'll ever see. Or if Moses were on the field, that would be notable. It was worthy. It was worthy. God, are you here? Jalen Hurts scores that go-ahead touchdown, or the game tying touchdown, I should say,

from eight yards out with a buck 20 to play, and the Eagles got the extra point. Rally for a 17-16 win over the Colts, a game mark that, for the long stretch here, the team of Sestiel? They are. It looked like they were going to stack wins here and become a big story, but they're off-installed again, and the Eagles found away. Well, if you're the cults, this is a crushing loss because your expectations were to come in here and do exactly what they almost did. Jalen Hertz couched inside a problematic offensive showing overall, compared to what we've seen from Philadelphia, because this is a good cult's defense.

I thought he was so resilient. He runs with such confidence. He threw the ball with precision early on. They really had issues on third down. Hertz was strips sack by Grover Stewart who's having a pro bowl season. There was an AJ Brown fumble. There was a play where Jason Kelsey, who's essentially a perfect center, snapped the ball, over hurts his head. He had to run around, grab it, get knocked down. All this stuff kept happening on third downs. You don't have Dallas Goddard.

The two backup tight ends early in the game had critical penalties. They just were at a joint. And it wasn't a game where outside of, you know, Devante Smith looking great. They just did not have that deep element to their passing game. And I give the Colts a lot of credit for how they fought in this. On the flip side, I think one of the. the stories of the game was that right out of the gate, the Colts ripped down the field. And I was running, this is the environment that this cult's offense is going to operate today.

They're going to be unstoppable. Jonathan Taylor had 49 yards on the ground. Michael Pittman, a big pass. Matt Ryan's well protected. A couple of big plays in the passing game. Bang, 7-0. Jonathan Taylor was essentially, they put the clamps on them for the next two and a half quarters. I think it was one of the best performances by Phillies run defense.

They started Linval Joseph and Adama Kinsu. especially just like 48 hours after sea. He was just on the car assembly line. Exactly. And they Chop it up. Smoking cigars. There was a great play where they combined on a sack, the two of them together. It kind of just shows you this Eagles team. Like they're going to find the guys they need. This was

not a stellar performance. I thought if anything, though, they're a good enough team to escape that two-game slump and they showed it today. Flipside, though, the cults are well-coached. I don't, like this Jeff Saturday thing is not a it's not a flu. They just look better than they have all over the

It's been fantastic the last month. They've been getting better and better on defense throughout the course of the season. I think that started when Frank Reich was there. It was joy in the early slate of games. I felt the joy coming off of Mark's body watching this team. And it does pain me that they didn't win this game. But you didn't seem that disappointed. You were really just loving football and loving being a part of the Saturday gang.

I was. And I also enjoy watching the Eagles because I feel like every game for them is so. Some of these teams is like the Chiefs, you do the same thing. thing week after week. That's nice. But like the Eagles to me are a little bit different and they had to work the way out of a funk. And to me it added on what I thought about them. It elevates what I think about them. Made a stop there at the end, their defense too. I mean, yeah, I kind of feel like the cult. The cult at that point, I was just like, nope, it ain't happening for the, on that final drive, you mean? Right. People kind of have asked like, well, what about when the Eagles, when they

get punched them out a little bit? Last week was the first time that they trailed at all and they tried to make that comeback and they couldn't pull it off this week. In a sense, similar spot. They put up 14 in the fourth quarter. So that's just like a good experience, I think, to have for a team going to the playoffs. And Matt Ryan, I saw some critical tweets about his arm strength in this game. What did you see from him in his second start back? I mean, I can see what they're saying. I think he made a couple big throws early.

He made a couple big throws early. I mean, again, I think the last two games have been a different experience from Matt Ryan. He was sacked three times today. You know, like Jalen Hertz, or five times. I believe Jalen Hertz was was was was battered as well I mean it was really a game where both defensive fronts had their way and so Matt Ryan's not going to thrive in that setting but it's better than a lot of other Matt Ryan performance we saw earlier in the season when the team was an ultra disaster tough for the Colts because if they found away in this game they'd be the story of the league right now you know they yeah well they'd be five five and one and then they host Pittsburgh um on Monday night and you know at that point the whole city's back behind the team doesn't work out that way the Eagles Nine in one. Every win gets them closer now to just both the division and with a Vikings loss, really in the driver seat right now for the number one seed in the NFC.

Right, yeah, two games up in the division, like you said. I thought it was just telling quickly that in the fourth quarter, they called four design or seven design runs for Hertz at nut cutting time. That's the most design runs called for a quarterback like in any quarter. I think in the next gen stats era. There was like, we absolutely need points. Let's stop messing around. Let's have Jalen Hertz run.

And that was the difference. He ran well. All right. Let's take a break. And we will continue our roll through Sunday. A little funky little Sunday. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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Idiot. You're essentially, would probably be flying back to. He's got some business there this week, actually, with Gatorade or Powerade? No, he wishes he was Gatorade. He's a sentient Powerade bottle. Bob Sochi with the call WBZ. Yes, in the defensive stalemate of the season, it was a rookie for the Patriots who played hero Marcus Jones returned upon 84 yards for a touchdown with five seconds to go

I will look the other way on that block in the back of the 10 yard line because that doesn't matter because they didn't call it and it is what it is Jets lose 103 Patriots win in a really really tough game if you're someone who let's say you're trying to introduce your kid to you know football for instance instance. No. This is not the game to watch. Now, I, ending aside, enjoyed it on a perverse level, not because my quarterback's mess and the offense stinks for the Jets, but there was like something noble about both defenses, the way they just kept on answering the bell over and over again. I mean, the Patriots were completely dominant in this game, making Zach Wilson look is lost as he's ever looked, even though you didn't see the turnovers in this game. He played

scared and jittery, especially as the game went along and missed a lot of throws. But the Jets defense was really, really downright heroic within the terms of football because every time they got to stop and the Patriots did cross over midfield multiple times, they would make big plays to back them up, force punts or a misfield goal or two from Nick Foke. But the Patriots on the other side were, you know, they come back with their own roundhouse rights and uppercuts on defense and send the ball right back. So it went back and forth all game, no turnovers either.

So very interesting in that way, too, until the punt, which everyone's playing for overtime at that point, one miss tackle and Marcus Jones, give him credit, and made a big play. It was such an unusual game to what you've described, that it was the first game in at least the last 40 seasons in which the first touchdown scored was a defensive or special team has touched down in the final minute of the game. That is, I mean, we've just never seen anything like it. And there is a lot from your Jets angle, or if you're a Patriots fan, obviously, a lot to take away from what this team can do on defense.

I mean, they're really well coached, and that's been a week-to-week consistent thing. It's not an aberration. But neither is an aberration that you are forced playing around a quarterback that I don't think is an NFL quarterback. To me, like- Well, that's strong. He's in the NFL, but he's having a very, bad year.

I just say it's going to, it's catchy, it's going to, it's, it's, it's a big challenge and it's catching up. Absolutely. It's definitely hit the way room. It looks beefy. All you want is just basic, if you just got basic average, lower third of the league quarterback play, we're going to get to. You're getting out of this.

All right. Let's get, we'll get to the Jets and Zach Wilson. I want to talk about the Patriots first, though, because they did move the ball. This is not, this isn't a situation of neither team could do anything. Mack Jones was actually 23 of 27 in this game for 246 yards. I think, Greg, the biggest thing with Jones for me, and I thought he was much better this week in a lot of ways than he's been in recently. I'm not coming out of this game feeling good about Mack Jones,

but I think his lack of mobility really stands out. Now, the Jets are an excellent pass rushing team, but he's one of those guys in a league where you see more and more quarterbacks that are able to get away and make place. He can't get away, and that stall as many drives for them. Right. There was a couple key sequences early when Mac, Jones took a sack, for instance, to back them up, and Nick Folk ended up hitting it off

the crossbar. Like, that was a play that I've seen a lot out of Mack Jones this year, where it felt like the first reads weren't there, and he just sort of then waited for the sack. And that, you didn't see a lot of that last year. But, you know, he was defensive. Both quarterbacks were a little defensive after the game. But Mac Jones was a little defensive saying what you said, which is like, hey, we move the ball.

You know, we got to capitalize on our opportunities better, but we move the ball. there were things to build off of here. Yeah. And, you know, on the jet side, I mean it. Like, the jet game against the Patriots three weeks ago felt like such an important game for Zach Wilson. So when he bombed that game out, for me, it lowered my expectations of him a little bit. And then this game comes off the top turnbuckle. And it's like, personally, I don't think he's the guy.

I know there's a lot of Jets fans that are saying still, we've got to give this a little more time. But this is a type of game that, I will remember that Jets fans will remember as a guy that looks skittish and scared and couldn't shoot straight. And then after the game, to compound matters, he's asked by the media his thoughts on a game where he couldn't get a complete pass in a big spot to save his life when the defense playing out of its mind. And this is what he had to say. As an offense, though, I mean, you guys are only able to score three points. The defense only lets up three points. I mean, do you feel like you let the defense down?

No, no. Thank you. It's the wrong answer because it's a. an easy one. That's a layup. That's Media 101. As the quarterback, you represent the offense. You say, yes, we did. The defense played great. The special teams outside of that play. They really played well. We need to be better. So then you leave it to your rookie wide receiver, Garrett Wilson, to speak the way that the quarterback should be speaking, which leads to disconnect in questions about the locker room. Here's Garrett Wilson. It's not okay. I mean,

straight up, he's not okay. How many total yards we had? A little over on. Yeah, that's not. not going to fly. So, you know, we got the doos. It's time. You know, it's time to be consistent. It's time to start winning the games we should win. And it's time to do all that. They had more punts than Zach Wilson had completions

and more punts than they had second half yards, 10 puns. And the... They had two yards in the second half. And beyond, yeah, two yards and seven possessions. Behind all the gnarly stats, beyond that, beyond the words you heard there, you see it on the field, too. Some of the body language.

of the Jets receivers when Wilson was just sailing throws high and skipping passes. This is a thing. And Bob Salat, you know, he's done a lot of great things. Just like Joe Douglas has done a lot of great things to make this team worth a damn this year. But the protection of Zach Wilson could be frustrating when after the game, Robert Salas says,

it was the furthest thing from my mind is taking Zach Wilson out of the game or benching him. And I get it. get it. I understand as Jets fans, we need to maybe swallow some sadness and go through this season because you invested a number two overall pick. You got to give it two years. I'm willing to live with that. But if this is what the experience is going to be, unless we see something big in terms of gains in the last eight weeks, the Jets need to aggressively address quarterback. I disagree with that approach by Sala because I think there's a way to try to do both. And Garrett Wilson, they, they, they, he was seeing Stormy into the locker room saying, I'm done with this, you know, when he's, like, walking into the locker and before he talked to reporters.

And at one point in that interview, he said, hopefully this is a wake-up for some people in the facility. And you don't know, but... It's a rookie. Just hopefully, I think he might mean the quarterback decision because when you're going through all of that, Dan, you had to be thinking, you know, give Mike White a shot here to try to win this game.

And yeah, it invites all sorts of questions. And do you go back to Zach Wilson next week? I would say yes, you would in that scenario. But like, try to win this game. It's still three to three, and you owe it to the people in that group. Because by the end, it was the Patriots are just teeing off. Three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out. The Jets defense is playing their hearts out, and it doesn't make a difference.

Believe me, it crossed my mind. And I understand why they're going the route they're going. But it clashes with what you're seeing with the rest of the team, especially that defense. that is a Super Bowl-level defense that you're potentially wasting the season on with Zach Wilson. I don't agree or understand why they're doing what they're doing. If the record were flipped, if they had two wins right here, then I'd say you stick with Zach Wilson

and you give it at least just use the season to go into the off-season with clear heads about what to do with the quarterback position. What if you got a lift from Mike White? Why is Joe Flacco not even given a shot? It doesn't end his career if you bench him. It doesn't. If he's going to ever be the guy,

you getting bench at this point in this season doesn't mean it wouldn't end it. It's not just that it's a chasm between the offense and defense. It is a drumbeat of your own wide receivers and skill position players saying stuff the best way they can say it without saying his name. I don't disagree. I really don't. What I'm saying is I see where they're coming from

because I think also the way, especially energy in this room, the frustration I have as a fan, we don't think the quarterback can play. I think they do. I think in that building, coaches. I'm just saying the things, the way they talk, I think they see a path to him getting better. But the coach, the players obviously are pushing back on that. So I think when Garrett Wilson is, he's talking about Zach Wilson, sure, but he's also talking about Michael LaFlor. I think the offense court. I think he's talking about Robert Sal. The whole thing. The whole thing. I think it's just a lot of frustration because they know, everyone knows how good that defense is. And what happened today is embarrassing. And we got. And they got swept. They got swept by a team that I'm not going to.

say the Jets are better than the Patriots after you get swept. But there is not, there's no reason the Jets should not have at least split that series. And the reason they didn't is the quarterback. So you could spin it however you want, but that's the truth and those are the facts. It's true. It's the quarterback and it's another one of these, this Patriots team is bizarre. This was the first win that they had without scoring an offensive touchdown since the Teddy Bruske's snow touchdown game, which fans of the Patriots from 2003,

I'll remember it was a similar type of game where he intercepts it at the end. end and then end it. They're starting to like stack up these bizarre defensive performances. They were number one in the league in EPA per play. They've turned into a good defense. I don't know if they're a great defense, but they know how to beat up on the bad guys. I was going to say, especially at home, especially against quarterbacks in over their head. Right.

They eat them for lunch. They kill them. And this Marcus Jones pick was a fun pick that they made in the third round. I think they took them essentially as a return specialist, which very few teams would do. 174 pound, like 5 foot 8 cornerback to basically be their returner because he loves special teams that much. And he showed up a little bit at cornerback, but he's basically a returner.

And he's been great this year. I think he's like a future Pro Bowl type returner, and it really paid off today. Let's move on, but let's stick a pin it because I do want to talk about Gregie and we'll do it because this week's a little different because of Thanksgiving and the Pats do play on Thursday. I want to talk about Matt Patricia in this offense

because the Foxborough fans were booing again. And it wasn't Mac Jones. It was some of the play calling, which I thought was terrible by the Patriots in this game. But we got to move. We'll get to that this week. Let's check in with the other New York team that was flying high. Problem is, they welcomed in the team around the NFL to the medal lands. Golf leans in from the four-yard line.

Golf gives the Swift up the middle. End zone. Touchdown Detroit Lions. Those guys up front have done the job all day long, and they opened that thing up wide. and D'Andre Swift ran it right up the gut for the touchdown and the Lions have extended this league. Get on your airplane. I'll meet you there.

That doesn't even make sense. But this does. Three games. Get a row. We're in the T, T, T. Come on, Mark. I knew this was happening all day long. I was doing it during the game.

You were singing it during the office. A T.L. The Pulse went down. The Browns lost. Come on. I'm happy for them. He felt like when I was singing this during the game, it was almost like a shot at him.

Why? It's a great song. It's our team. Dan Miller with the call. Team! D. Swift, touchdown. Put the Giants away. Jamal Williams ran for career high.

Three touchdowns. The Lions beat up on the G-Man 31-18. How did we open this New York dual New York segment with a sad song about New York? New York. It was really only just pointing at one of the teams, right? The yin and the yang. The other New York team were dancing on their graves today, and everyone in the nation can be happy because the Giants' fake record is being brought back to the Giants fan.

He was so upset at this result. No, this is just like the Giants, we're so happy that the Giants have been. We chose the Lions as the team of ATL. I'm not really even referring to the two of you, but I think there's a national call for the Giants to be put in their place. Let me just make something clear from a production standpoint. The sad New York song was for both New York teams. In fact...

Oh, we sound real sad right now. I move them together. Listen, we're talking about the team of AT& here. I move these games together because both New York teams went down. I mean, I get the concept. Now, you need to understand that we love the lines in the studio. Yeah. At least the majority does.

And it is very nice to see them as bad as this season started. One and six, questions about whether Dan Campbell for all the bravado and grit, and how much we like the guy and the program to now having results, which they desperately needed. And back-to-back road wins after never producing one in the first whatever game, you know, 18 games of the tenure,

this was a huge win. This is a huge win for the Lions. I just loved the way they did it and you're right. I was singing in the newsroom. I was saying this is a very special honor because it is a special honor when you're out. It's a great song. Holman is, I mean, you've got to come be a part of it, Dan.

Like, it was just, no long Sunday. I didn't know you were so mad that the lions are winning. I'm not so mad at all. Like, I actually can be, I, I'm thrilled for the lions. It's the anti-Giants thing that I, that I'm personally peaked by. Well, it was more about the lions in this game. Well, that's Greg Rosenthal you're talking about. I was happy.

I got the pick right to, but it was so many days. You know about, you know about 42 and 46, right? I've heard of the legend of 42 and 46. This segment includes him getting to dance, his, Fugazi Patriots team beating the Jets. And the Giants losing, this is a Gregi segment of the year. I'm going to be dancing on top of the desk.

Aaron Glenn, Dan Campbell. It was nice to see them. They outcoached Brian Debel. Not that Daibel hasn't done a great job. He would be my coach of the year at this point. But they had a game plan defensively. I want to start there that I think worked to perfection. They loaded their front.

They played four or five guys. They loaded that box. They just refused to let Sequin Barkley be. them 15 carries for 22 yards and they just went man coverage on the outside the whole game and these like these wide receivers other than darius slayton just try to beat us i know we're not good in the secondary but we're going to load up up front we're going to blitz quite a bit and we're going to see if you can beat us for a big play and you couldn't do it alim mcneal not a player that we've heard a lot from since he was drafted in the i think the second or third round last year he was like erin donald in

this game. He had like eight or nine pressures. He was all over them. Aiden Hutchinson turned this game around with a leaping interception. He's starting to make some plays now. He's starting to stack some impact moments. He had a sack. At that point in the game, I would say the Giants actually might have been out playing the lines. It shouldn't have been this big of a blowout. Roderigo's making plays. They forced three turnovers. It was just really good energy. I've seen good energy from their defense since the buy, and I think it's been building. And the Giants, you know what? On the giant side they're just like the Vikings um they're due for a stinker this is a stinker they're still in really good position the giants at seven and three but i think like the Vikings maybe more

I think more so um than the Vikings just I would keep an eye on the giants and see how they react to this game because there's been a lot of positive buzz around them vibes confidence building that's a bit of a humbling loss they've lost two of three now you go to dallas on thanksgiving home against the commanders who are obviously a little frisgier than we give them credit for and then you get the Eagles and then go to Washington

then the Vikings. So the story of the Giants has not been written yet, really. No, and I don't disagree that like they are, do they look like a 7-2 team that we would think a 7-2 team looks like?

No, I get that. I just think like the story of the Giants is that Brian Daibel, a first-year head coach in a year where a lot of first-year head coaches are floundering in epic fashion has been the coaching advantage week after week.

Now, I think Dan Campbell's a good coach, too, and his plan and the Lions plan showed itself the last couple of weeks. Absolutely. So it's like, you know, I think you can look at both teams. I am kind of coming in with an angle on the Giants thing. But, like, I do look at the Lions and say, it is so important that this happened. Because had they dropped these last three games and look completely incompetent on defense, you start to wonder if major changes could happen. Now it's making me think the flip side. Dan Campbell can point to this and say, I have a plan.

It's coming together. I love their coaching. And, you know, I think they had a lot of bad luck early where they lost some games they shouldn't have. And then they won a couple games. Maybe they shouldn't have won against in that Packers game. Certainly the Bears game they stole. Even Stephen.

This game, the way they had Jared Goff on the move, and sometimes it was boot in boot action, but sometimes it was him reacting and running away from the Blitz. Not considered a strength of him. He played really well in this game. DeAndre Swift has turned into their third running back. That touchdown he scored at the end. was kind of like when they give Zeke Elliott the touchdown.

It was actually Jackson was the backup to Williams in this game, and both of them ran really well. They had a lot of creative play calls, and I do worry about the Giants' injury situation. It's been a problem for them all year. They lost two more cornerbacks in this game. It was later in the game. They were already losing, but Adory Jackson got hurt on a punt return.

That did not look good. Another starting quarterback. Two offensive linemen got hurt in this game and a safety, and they have a short week. So that was five more players playing significant snaps, four starters. Like, it's just been piling up a little. Well, you mentioned, like, the future schedule. You do start to worry that, like, the positivity around a surging early season could turn slightly dark in a hurry here.

I do wonder if this game is maybe a pivot point for their season. But, listen, just like we were just talking about the Vikings, go win on Thursday, eh, wipe us away. Like, this season is literally the opposite of even vague. predictable, so they probably will go beat the Cowboys. They were due. Their plus one point differential. But yeah, if you lose that game on Thursday, we'll get into it. They'll be third place. But I love the Lions.

They made Thanksgiving better. Even just looking forward to them. For the first time ever, thank you. I haven't been this excited for a Lions Thanksgiving game since Third Eye Blind played halftime at the Pontiac Silver Dome in 99. They got all these teams that play each other. Unbelievable. Thanksgiving teams playing each other this week. That's smart.

Third I, I thought it was. I thought it was. Who was the other one that had the more famous Thanksgiving? Creed? Creed, yeah. Oh, Creed. Well, they played at the old Cowboys Stadium, right? Okay. Or Jerrower.

I thought they also played in Detroit, I thought. Creed had... If they brought Creed back for Thanksgiving performance, everyone would love it. Creed had, like, dancers flying through on curtains with, like, painted metallic green faces. And Scott Stapp was singing very seriously while all of that stuff was going on behind them.

Like, it was wonderful. Ah, it's America's holiday. Finger looking good. The team of 8th. That will be fine. Three in a row. Keep it going, boys. Let's take a break.

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And see you later by Chris Salave with the touchdown. That's how you go from second and 23 to a touchdown. That's so funny. It's skinny Tom's face after that. Always amazing. Mike Haas with the call. This is like the Joe Montana wins a Super Bowl song. Feels a little over the top for this particular game.

Dennis Allen won a game. Anyway, Andy Dalton threw three touchdown passes. Matt Stafford left the field in the middle of the game to be evaluated for a concussion in the second half. And the Saints beat the Rams 27 to 20. The Rams now 3 and 7, the defending Super Bowl champion. You have to go back. This would be, we should take a look at this. Most disappointing defending champion seasons.

This one is a rough one. Nick Shook, here we are, buddy. Welcome the pipe to the show. Unbelievable. His body is a temple. But the Superdome was Andy Dalton's temple on Sunday, and he praised. I mean, Andy Dalton, you know, he gathered those saints up in the huddle. He looked down and he said, hey, isn't that John Candy,

behind the goal pose? Hey, let's make something sweet. I like your callback. He's a touchdown pass to Chris Olavet. He just had this look. If you watch it on YouTube or watch the highlight, he kind of like looked to the crowd and just be like,

can you believe that? Can you believe I just do that? He did the MJ again and the finals. I think it was more that was a duck and it worked out. Just quickly forget about the five interceptions I've thrown over the last two weeks. Please, everyone. Football is completely different than basketball. That's true.

Go ahead, Chuckie. He did the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Randy Orton, where he gets up on the turn buckle and he just turns and looks like this, puts his arms up in here. Like, did you not, you know, did you do you, do you not, are you not entertained? That's what that's what he was on Sunday. Are you not entertained Saints fan? 21 of 25, 260 yards. Wow. Phil Simsian. Three different past catchers. We had Juan Johnson, who's on a roll by the way, guys, five touchdowns and five straight games. Jarvis Landry got into the mix and Chris Olave. Dalton has been under fire kind of indirect. more Dennis Allen under fire for continuing to roll with Dalton for the last month or so when James Winston is not entirely healthy, but healthy enough to be number two, healthy enough to play. That's a whole weird story over there now with Winston. So this helps this helps Dennis Allen too, right? Chuck, you know, you don't have to worry about having that conversation for another week. Absolutely.

You need vindication. You just hope that the Rams come up on the schedule. And all of a sudden, your quarterback looks real good. This is his best game as a saint. He powered this offense. They were able to get some running going with Taysam Hill and Alvin Camara. provided the balance the offense they've really needed for the first time in what feels like a month plus they had some life offensively and and you know this is a matchup of two teams that

have both been struggling with the football have both had issues at quarterback matthew staff were getting knocked out last week he wasn't able to play he got knocked out of this game they had to go to bryce perkins and the saints just ended up being the better of two bad teams so it's not a game that you look back on and say that was the moment our season turned around i don't have much you know belief in the saints from here but it was nice for them to get a win and for Randy Naldon to actually put together a nice game when he struggled so much. But for me, more importantly than anything, it was good to see Chris Olave play an important role in this offense and not just be an afterthought, like, man, he's such a talented receiver.

He's probably the best receiver in this class. I don't care about the numbers. He's been the best player, I think that's a rookie. I totally agree. He's been the, he was my number one receiver coming out of this class. And that's maybe some Ohio State bias. But I just thought he was the most pro ready receiver in this group. And often they don't use him enough because they've struggled with the football.

when it comes to Andy Dalton. So to have a game like today, it's very encouraging. You know, the ramp side, big bummer, man. I mean, talk about disappointment. They're on track to be the first team since the 2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers to finish with a losing record after winning the Super Bowl. And frankly, I don't see any reason why they're not going to end. I mean, they could be five.

Five and 12 feels like they're over under. Well, here's the question now because we learned this morning through some reporting that Cooper Cup after having that ankle surgery is out six to eight weeks. do the math. He's probably not coming back. And now Matt Stafford with the head injury recurrence here, I mean, what's to stop the Rams to rightfully play this very safe at this point in time? I mean, nothing in my opinion.

Right. I'm surprised Stafford played in this game. I think that's odd, too. It just, it was odd all last week how Sean McVeigh handled it from answering the question from Jordan Rodriguez about what was going on with him. He's back in. It's another player with concussions two times and two weeks. Right. And they never actually confirmed that he had a concussion.

And you said you thought his answers were weird. Like he kind of talked about Stafford's family. And it just he didn't answer a question straight about whether he had it again. He's not even in the protocol as of right now. Okay. So they tested him and he's not necessarily in the protocol. He's going to test tomorrow, Shook, right, on Monday. But I mean, this is a Saints defense that didn't have Marcus Davenport.

No Cam Jordan. No Mars. Sean Lattimore, no Pete Werner, and this, and Sean McVeigh for all the bells and whistles about his genius has not coached this team out of it at all. Matthew Stafford or not. I don't think the offense seems to change one iota without him or cup in there, whether Stafford's in the lineup or not. The only change from them today was 2-2-at-well actually did something. He caught a long touchdown pass. Otherwise, it was more of the same. I thought the entire, it was the one moment that was, I think, emblematic of their entire season in terms of what they have on offense

when it comes to talent was Bryce Perkins dropping back on a third and long he had Ben Scoronic open and just overthrew him and they ended up having to punt. It's like that that's the Rams in a nutshell just not good enough

not talented enough. This is who they are. Their defense isn't even that banged up and the defense keeps giving up these kind of games. Yeah. Jalen Ramsey got cooked on that touchdown to Olive by the way. All right.

Let's now move. I was going to say to Orchard Park but it wasn't an orchard park because you know, the snow and stuff. Let's head to Fort Field. Allen puts McKenzie in motion over the right side. Now the snap.

Josh wants to throw, scans the end zone. Fires an end go, got a man right open, and it is caught. Touchdown Buffalo. Touchdown bills, they take the lead with 14 seconds left in the first half. It is Stefan Diggs, targeted, and one catch, and it goes for a touchdown in a Buffalo lead. Oh, yes, the Buffalo Bills got themselves back on track. Josh Allen throws that five-yard touchdown past the Steph Diggs late in the first half.

And from there, the Bills cruise, never mind the score. They cruised to a 31-23 win over the Browns in a game. Yes, that was moved from Buffalo to Detroit due to several feet of snow covering Western New York. Chucky, I watch this game as well, so I want to tee up this way. The Browns came out playing really well in this game. They looked like the better team for the better part of the first.

half to me. So that's how monumental I thought that final drive of the first half was for Buffalo, not just in this game, but potentially in the season as they spin forward because that kind of seemed to calm everything down and the bills got back to being the bills from that point onward. Yeah, you know, they looked like a team that had to dig its way out of several feet of snow just to get to the team bus to get to the airport to get to a game that's a home game that's not actually a home game. And the Browns looked like a team that didn't deal with that type of snowfall. Now, granted in Cleveland, we've gotten a little bit of snow, but nothing like that. But the thing is, it's just as you said, Dan, this was the moment, I think, that the

bills rediscovered who they were offensively. It wasn't perfect. And it did include an element that I think a lot of people have wanted from the bills for a long time, which is a bit of a commitment to the run, because that's actually would help them move the ball, especially in the second half and really salt this game away, handing it to Devon Singletary, handing it to James Cook, watching them run hard, pick up first down through this poorest Browns run defense. That was what was most important. It wasn't Josh Allen throwing the ball over the field. In fact, he couldn't even get to Stefan Diggs until that touchdown pass just before half. And again, though, it's a team that we're talented, we're playing poorly, but we still

capitalize on these situations after having a really bad first quarter. I think they had 15 total yards in the first quarter and then blew the doors off the Browns and the remaining three quarters, which you like to see that because it's a group that, you know, everybody's favorite. Everybody loves the bills. They're flying high and then they run to a little bit of trouble. And then all of a sudden, you're like, are they good enough to get out of that trouble? Well, today they were.

and maybe this is the launching pad for them as they enter the stretch run of the season. This isn't a shift to jump off, Buffalo. This is that this team is, it's too good. And you're right. They did a much better job running the ball. And it was interesting, speaking to that, the vibes around the team and the frustrations of the recent weeks

before that touchdown drive at the end of the second quarter, Stefan Diggs, there was a shot of him on the sideline. And Sean McDermott was kind of like talking, like calm down a little bit. He was upset that he wasn't seeing the ball and the offense wasn't doing well. So this was a team you could feel some tension riding within them. So this was a really nice win to get back to 703. They almost like woke up out of like a super hungover, it seems like in this game. Because at one point it was like 124 yards for Cleveland to 10 for Buffalo,

midway through the second quarter. Josh Allen did not like he looked like he was still deeply in the slump. It's important for them to have turned it around. I mean, I look at this box score, Nick Chubb 14 carries for 19 yards. I'm trying to remember the last time that occurred with Nick Chubbs. That's impressive. They shut the run down too. that the bills could be like such a run dominant team.

You mentioned Singletarian Cook both with 86 yards on 29 combined carries. And then to be able to shut down Nick Chubb. I mean, that shows a toughness. I like the way you set that up, Dan, because if you're going to be a Super Bowl team, you're going to have these ebbs and flows and you're going to have different moments of the season. And in this little Detroit two pack that they have with the Browns and now the Lions here on coming up on Thanksgiving, it could be, you know, something they look back on. And this was real quick on the Browns.

This was a big game for them. the heavy underdog even after the venue change to try to get, you know, a win here that would have put them within striking distance with Deshaun Watson now two weeks away. They don't have that. So they're three and seven. David Nujoku came back. He made an incredibly athletic play on a leapfrog play. His ankle looks good. And Amari Cooper has been awesome all year. He's exactly who the Cowboys need right now, by the way. So Deshaun Watson, when he does enter the fray, he's going to enter, he might be rusty, but he's going to have some guys to play with. He's going to outplay Jacoby Brissette the way he played today? Come on.

Preset was great. Shook. The last word. I'm going to offer something here. Yes, go ahead. I'm going to offer something, guys. Deshaun Watson's going to give you a reason to watch the Browns, especially with Amar Cooper, as they did, you know, kind of develop their rapport. But I'm going to volunteer this now in case you guys haven't. I'm sticking a fork in the Browns because they're going to be entertaining enough to watch on a week-to-week basis, and they're going to keep committing the same mistakes that they've made. At this point in the season, I've seen too much to believe that

they're suddenly going to transform. The fact that the 3 and 7th, they're out of the race. The only reason to watch them now is he how Deshawn Watson fits in for the rest of the season. All right, this is the respect I have for Nick Scho. So much. Let's take a fork in a bowl. Call to order an emergency session, fork session. With

DeShon Watson back in two weeks of 3 and 7 Browns, are we comfortable forking them? Absolutely. 100%. I too shall agree on that. The order has been carried or something. And And the Browns are forked. Nick Shook, you will never be forked on the show.

You're vital, bro. Not even Creed could save the Browns right now. All right, there he goes. Let's keep the train rolling. Let's head to Atlanta, where the Falcons were looking to get off the map. Midnight train to Georgia. Great. Cardero Patterson out of the end zone.

He'll hit the 20, 25. Here goes CP. 35, 40. Patterson on his way. 30. He's got the 20. 10, 5, touchdown Atlanta. Holy smokes.

There's the record for the ninth time in his career. Cordero Patterson has returned a kick for a touchdown, and three of them of the nine have come against the Chicago Bears. Oh, what a career, Corderole Patterson. Making records with another kickoff return for a touchdown. unbelievable. That was a huge play for the Falcons and a 27-24 win over the Bears.

Patterson's score was not the decider. Youngway Coos, 53-yard field goal, 53. He's a great kicker. Gave Atlanta the lead with less than two minutes of play. And Greg, the Falcons, get to stop on D against Justin Fields and another win for a team that just kind of grinded its way through his season. They're staying relevant. You know, this keeps them alive for another couple weeks.

The bucks are in first place. Sounds familiar last year. Yeah, but they're better this year. We've sort of been debating, you know. At one point, I said they were spicy. That was maybe too much. They're definitely frisky. Frisky, yeah.

I mean, like, if we think about it in terms of, like, the Chick-fil-A menu, they famously don't have Chick-fil-A open on Sundays anywhere, including inside the stadium. Because of God. Maybe they're just like the nuggets. They're the Chick-fil-A nuggets. They're tasty. I mean, they're sticking around.

They're spicy. They're salty. They're salty. And they've got Patterson who, it's just time to give Patterson his flowers. He's a special teams player of his generation. Like, he's literally the best special teams player of his generation. Not just all those returns, but he's been a top-tier gunner on punts and kickoffs throughout his career. That's why Bill Belichick loved him so much.

Jesus kind. And in a game that, like, was somewhat predictable and a little depressing from the bear side and didn't have as much offense overall as they thought. Like, Patterson gave it some juice. Remember when we're using that Vilma drop seven years from now that that was in reference to Cordero Patterson running over someone at the goal line. His career mark has been amazing because he's always been this incredible special teams player. And then Arthur Smith, to his credit, found a way to make him a real offensive difference maker. He's just been a great weapon for them two years running.

I mean, he was a fetish of Bill Belichick for a while. I mean, it's like this is someone who can do so many different things. I think with Atlanta. 10 for 52 on the ground today, had a nice day. The way he runs, like his first. frame, he just is so much more powerful that I recall him, like, earlier on in his career as a runner. And, like, I think Arthur Smith deserves credit on a strange roster for what he's done with him and other players. And I look at this Bears team on the flip side. It's like,

they call shootout games when both teams score 24. I'm not sure I totally agree with that category. This wasn't a shootout. I know it is. That's for the category, but they're 0 and 4 in these games. They're 0 and 4 this season because you talk about a team where it's like all these great defenses that have no offenses helping them out. There's like four or five those teams. That's the reverse. Who judges this as a shootout? Is that an NFL score? I agree that this one was not, but that is a category. The NFL research department. At least one team needs 30. I would think it need to be 30. That's what I would sign off on that. One of the teams has to get over 300 yards.

24 plus. See, when you watch this, it actually was more defense than you expected. Glad we settled that. Yeah. I don't think we settled anything, but the Falcons defense played quite well. They kept Chicago under 300 yards. They forced two turnovers. Their defense had to like bow up on short fields. We had the special teams touchdown here. And Justin Fields wasn't a full Justin Fields. If you look at the box score, it looks like an 85 yards on the ground, 150 through through the air, had an interception, had two touchdowns overall.

But in the second half of this game, he wasn't the same guy. He had a hamstring injury that I think was bothering him. He had 14 carries in the first half. That was the most carries, I think, for a quarterback ever in the first. half of a game, which in only five of them were scrambles. Most of them were design runs, and it was like they pushed it too far. They finally get to a position where they're down three at the end of the game. It's money time.

They called design runs on the first two plays, which was weird because he was kind of limping out there. He didn't have the explosion, and he kind of re-injured his hamstring, and he hurt his left shoulder on one of those. He was hit, I think, with a late hit in the head on a slide on the second downplay, and then he throws an interception, which was more about footwork and just a bad throw on the third place. So it was an ugly drive, and he came out of this game pretty banged.

He didn't seem right to me. Like the hit to the head, he was slow to get up after that. And then you saw him, I mean, this never seems to work out well. You saw him clutching at the, what I thought was a collarbone at first, but it's the shoulder as he was coming off the game. And they asked him about that, and he said that he was in a lot of pain. So, I mean, first of all, the way his game is, If you're going to have a major shoulder upper body injury, you're not going to be the same runner.

He kind of begged out, not begged out, but he stopped scrambling in the second half. Like he had chances to run, and you could tell he wasn't feeling great, so he decided to just stay and throw. And they had a long touchdown drive. That's a good recovery, by the way, Greg. Especially us three in this studio should never be saying any player begged out of anything. Oh, right. Now, I don't mean begged out. He, I think, adjusted and adjusted well.

They actually had an eight-minute touchdown drive to tie the game, and he had some good throws in there. But he stopped running and you could tell it was it because of this hell. I mean, he said after the game, after the X-rays, I'm hurting a little bit. And you saw a shot in the bowels of the stadium, him on the cart holding the left shoulder. So, yeah, we'll see. And he's against a very tough, as we know, Jets defense next week. So we'll see what's going on with the Bears. So that's their fourth straight loss.

They're losing games. They're three and eight. You know, there's still a lot of hope. And so much of that centers on fields, but he has to be healthy. One last point. Yes. Falcons did a great job protecting Mariotta, who did not play well again in this game.

I don't feel any differently. I want to see Arthur Smith of the quarterback. Right. Arthur Smith is the one refusing to play. 131 yards through the air. Didn't have a good running day either. But they only had one quarterback hit in this game. No sack.

So very close to a Golston. Do you know who had that quarterback hit for the Chicago Bears? Oh, it's got to be Jack Sanborn. It's Jackie Sanborn. Also, a fumble recovery. He had to play. He had a big miss tackle. He had a big miss tackle.

He made a lot of place. It can't be perfect. Well, God created us all to have flaws to show that we are human. You learn humility through that mistackle. Exactly. Maybe. Who among us is without flaw? Save it for the theology podcast tugboat.

Got it. All right. Let's move on. Let's head to Pittsburgh where there was a lot on the line, at least in the newsroom. Burrow in the shotgun now. Two-by-two formation. P. Ryan in the backfield. Burrow back to throw.

Clips it out to Pryne, looking for his third. Touchdown catch, runs over the pylon. Touchdown. Bengals, Samadji, Pryne with a three touchdown catch game. I love it. I love parabolic mics, too. That's what I love. You know, there's a difference, though, you know, with Zolak, so that's Dave Lapham with Dan Hort.

You know, there's difference exuberance, and then the. Powerade bottle who's just, who's just like taking shots at a fan base that's not even listening to the radio call. Yeah, but I mean, he fits that fan. He fits his own fan base perfectly well. They love it. Joe Burrow threw four touchdown passes, three to backup running back. Samadji P. Ryan, one of my favorite names in the league, by the way. The Bengals rally past the Steelers, 3730.

Bangles up to six and four with their win. Mark, you and Mr. Rosenthal lock this game. That's right. Here we go. Lock bros! It doesn't work. It works today, Greg. It worked today.

It worked today. But anyway, you guys sweated it out a little bit. But Cincinnati took care of business in the end. They took care of business. And I thought, you know, it was an impressive win in the sense that, like, you don't have Jamar Chase. You lost Joe Mixen to a concussion early on in this game. Coming off a game where you had five touchdowns and they finally got off the shelf, running the ball well. P. Ryan steps in.

T. Higgins had an insane game. It's just like he completely completely stepped up to play that role. Tyler Boyd had a couple big catch in this. Our guy Trenton Irwin, who was just activated. Cricke. Came in and had a couple big catches as well.

He looks like the crocodile hunter too. It's a rare. Our guy. It's all three of us. I think we all in unison. Let's call to order. Our guy. I don't even know who Trent Irwin is.

I bet I'm along with it. Yeah. Go ahead. He became our guy. I mean, it was also just the Bengals defense down the stretch. Is it the Bengals defense or the Steelers' offense? Call to order. Our guy committee?

There's so many committees. Their offense is getting consistent. And that's what we've all. It's all we've asked for. This was the game where their defense, and I've got questions about their team. A ton of injuries to give up this many yards and points to the Steelers is not good. But if their offense is consistent.

Hold on a minute. I'm just saying, then we have something to believe in with the Bengals. There were problems in the first half, but the Bengals gave up 16 yards to the Steelers in the third quarter in about 60 total in the second half and completely shut down Pickett and Pickens. I get it, but they gave up 30. This is the best day Kenny Pickett's had as a pro,

so you can't give them too many flowers. I'm not, I don't know what this endless giving the flowers to everyone. Every show with the giving the flowers out. But it's like they're in Pittsburgh. They don't do well against the Steelers in general. And like they hadn't won an AFC North game. And they surged down the stretch and I thought that Burrow made a couple

great throws throughout the game It's a division game You go handle it If we're going to give the Division Road game If you're going to give the Bengals Flours Like a complete pass

To get crushed by the Browns A terrible Browns team a couple weeks ago Well then I'm going to give them a pass To like the all-star team of the Earth Just long term That's all What's talking defense I'm annoyed now

You know you guys locked this together Why are you fighting? This is why we are not locked bros Listen Listen, this is interesting. You know, I think the Steelers are at least, T.J. Watt made such a big difference. I mean, he had an incredible acrobatic interception in this game. And Joe Burroughs just pulling his hair out with the Steelers team because he's had, you know, big counting staff production days, but a ton of turnovers in both these games.

But in the end, yes, they get the job done. Jamar Chase is off crutches we're hearing now. There's a report on Sunday morning. So maybe he's getting closer to the lineup. Hopefully that hip allows him to be the Jamar Chase. We know I'm looking forward to what the season holds for Cincinnati. I think they're going to be an exciting team that will play into January. They're just often not pretty.

And I think, like, it's easy to remember how dominant they were for weeks in a row and then their magic carpet ride to the Super Bowl. They're not that team right now. You know what else isn't pretty? Lots of things. When you lock a game, right? And then on this podcast, we cover that game. And you get the wrong lock.

Oh. And you don't. And you control the soundboard. Yeah. And all you have to do, who would do that? All you have to do is hit the Price's Right Sandhorn and say, hey, I locked up the Vikings to beat the Cowboys and they lost by 37 points at home. That should be easy. And yet it didn't happen.

But now since we're talking locks, Mr. Grave Dicker. What happened there, buddy? What happened at the top of the show today? I locked up the Vikings and they lost by 37 points at home to the Cowboys. Can we have another committee meeting and possibly? All right. If you lose by more than 30, if your lock loses by more than 35 points, can we make it a rule?

That's losing a lock and a half. You get a loss and a half. I deny that motion, but I see what you're going for. Okay. How about moving forward? We won't even put it on Graver. But moving forward, if your lock loses by 30 plus points, you should have an extra half on it.

Well, how about just be vaguely accountable and interject in the show as the producer. I think that's real. You skirt it around the issue thing. I was going to hit the horn and jump on and take accountability for my terrible lock. But then Dan was, he was already transitioning to the ego. I didn't want to cut off your flow, Dan, and, like, ruin the transition. And it was such good podcast hosting. And now he started into Aaron Rogers on the Macapie show.

Oh, yeah, the receivers weren't in the right place. No, no, it was just such a good. You had to start cutting Dan's reps. My host is difficult to deal with. Dan was hosting so well by transitioning so smoothly that if I cut that. If I cut that off, he got me back. We're fine. You think we're just simple to, well, Dan did accept that answer.

Do you think, by the way, do you think if I was doing that transition and it was 43 the other way, do you think he would have hit the Grame Digger jumps in with an eight-minute soliloquy about how brainiac he is with the locks? I love Grave-digger. I joined his team. I'm a Titans fan now. He and I, this is one of my favorite things. Mark goes off on Justin and then he's like, his brain's like, my mind. re-adjusting. But I love Justin.

I adore you and think that you're wonderful, your job. Justin is one of the more likable people in the building. So I'm not going to pretend I don't like Justin. Over corrective steering. It's like my actual driving. All right. Let's move on. Let's head to Baltimore where the Ravens had a layup against the Panthers, or was it?

Jackson will keep it on the read option. Jukes a man, stumbles at the one, dives in for the touchdown. Lamar Jackson extends the Ravens lead with the first rushing touchdown and the first touchdown of the game. I can tell you what, he had me for, because I was lead, Drake,

and Lamar went to the right side with the ball. The Baltimore Ravens forced three Panthers turnovers in the final eight and eight minutes of 14 seconds of game time. I don't know why that was so hard to say. Lamar Jackson took advantage of it with that game icing one yard touchdown run final score 133 let's bring back the grave digger who had some eyes on this game for us just in everyone kind of had this one circled at

baltimore as you know a let's i'll throw it out there um a 31 to 10 type win you know maybe a 27 6 win but this game was 3 3 in the second half yeah it was uh baltimore was 12 and a half point favorites and this game was just kind of you know another one of those defensive struggles punt punt punt like the first this is a possession count punt punt punt punt punt punt punt interception punt and then the ravens ended the first half with a field goal to take a three nothing lead into halftime but both teams were like really committed to stopping the run which seemed to hamstring both offenses pretty pretty badly and the ravens end up getting it done because the last four possessions for the Panthers

ended in turnovers, including one on downs, fumble and two interceptions. And Baltimore capitalized on good field position. Like, they got a field goal on one and they got a touchdown on the other. That's how they were able to win the game. Here's my question, Justin. Because we just gave the Bengals a bit of a pass

as I think you should. It's like, just take care of business, especially on the road against the division rival. The fact that they weren't able to score points against Carolina, Carolina doesn't have a bad defense but are we worried about the Ravens offense after this game? I wouldn't be worried about it. The Ravens really just

couldn't run the ball and it seemed like that. They need to run the ball. They need to run the ball even against teams that are built to stop them and that's how good their running game needs to be or else they're not going to the Ravens. Well it was also weird because they didn't commit to running the ball. They opened the game with a five play drive and it ended

a pun and all five plays were passes and even the commentators, Mark Sanchez on this game was wondering like this is a team that runs the ball. Why have they not even attempted to run the ball? And then Kenyon Drake takes a few handoffs and gets stuffed seemingly every time until late in the fourth quarter

and it's like, oh, maybe this is why they aren't running the ball. But I agree. I mean, if the Ravens want to be the team that we think they are, they need to be able to run the ball. But on defense, they look like super legit. Roquan Smith was making plays. They were using him as a blitzer.

He looks like he's fitting into that defense right away. So from that standpoint, Baltimore seems like one of the AFC's best teams, but the offense, I think the offense will come, I don't know, it just seemed like they were having a little bit of an off game in this one. I wonder if there was sort of a match-up offense, which to your point, they can't be. They have to be able to run the ball no matter what. But like they dominated the Saints, baffled the Saints. But against that, the week before on that Thursday night game, they did come out throwing the ball to a strange degree against the Bucks.

And it's like, to me that throws me a little bit. I mean, I think the takeaway is if you can do the Panthers of anything, and I know they had Baker-Mayfield in there. I wonder if that kind of messed up their flow a little bit. They were so dominant on the ground a couple weeks in a row, and you held them to 36 yards at 2.1 yards per carry. Like the Ravens' defense is heating up and can shut down almost anyone, it seems.

It's crazy that Baker-Mayfield coming back into the lineup and playing this game in Baltimore is just not even a story nationally. Or even on this podcast. We're just like, oh, yeah, it's Baker. He came in. They scored three points. They didn't choose for a couple picks.

That's what we, that's what. what we expect. It's just crazy we got to this point with him. Does he get another start? I don't know. I mean, he didn't, he obviously didn't do anything. So the Panthers are just B.J. Walker's. They're moribund. The Ravens aren't that talented at the skill positions. I mean, they have Lamar Jackson who makes you talented and they have an offensive line that could be talented. Ronnie Stanley had an ankle injury that Lamar said it sounded like it maybe isn't that bad. We'll see. But their number one receiver and their number one running back were both on other rosters this regular season. Like DeMarcus Robinson,

was on another team, so is Kenyon Drake. And those are their top guys. I know Andrews was back, and he's really the one. And Gus Edwards was out. He would have been the starting very bad. Yeah. And I think there's the O'Dell Beckham Jr. There was a report that he's very close to picking a team.

I know it's believed that the Cowboys are the heavy favorites. I wonder if the Ravens would get involved with that. The Giants were named. I would imagine the Giants are fading in that picture. Tweet about the Cowboys today, too. They went crazy today, I emoji. I will say on the Ravens offense, I feel like today, was just a lot of miscues that is not necessarily something you would expect from the Ravens.

Like, Isaiah likely dropped a pass that hit him right in the hands he should have caught. They had a lot of penalties that, like, pushed them back, including some that weren't really penalties. Morgan Moses got called for a face mask at the right tackle position where he didn't really even touch anybody's face mask, 15-yard penalty. That drive is killed. Shall we excuse them, too, the way that we're giving everyone sort of a week? You get a win, you're fine.

It doesn't matter at all. It was a nasty little Sunday. Yeah. This is another game. A little rough one. Nasty little game. It took a little punch. Swallow that sadness.

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We all, everyone gets their flowers. Washington at Houston. Let's check it out. Flowers has been suspended for two weeks. Snap the mills is throwing again. This time I'm like picked off by Fuller. 30 by 30. Down the sideline, he goes.

Pitch six, he's in. Touchdown. Touchdown, Washington. We were just talking about Fuller and how he has been playing dominant. What a way to start the game. Indeed. Julie Donaldson with Bram Weinstein, WVIG, Kendall Fuller set the tone with that pick six.

Taylor Heineke threw for a buck 91, clean. Commanders roll 2310 over the Moribund Houston Texans. Mark Sessler, take us through it. Imagine a first half where the better team has 246. six yards and the lesser team offers five yards it's an outrageous half five five the lowest obviously by any team all season now if you want to go back well the jets had seven then the second so that's great that there was competitive that's the kind of sunday it was the only the team the team essentially the same thing last year was the texans against the bill so their low point is low and

the low point for davis mills is low and he had that kendall fuller pick six he had a he had another bad interception on a deep pass they couldn't get anything going. I mean, Washington was dominant on defense especially. Montez Sweat, half of the young and sweaty duo. We'll get young back soon enough. We need it. We need young and sweaty together. But Jonathan Allen operated the second part of that duo. They combined for four sacks. So they just made, the Texans have no way out in these situations when someone like Damien Pierce isn't running the ball well. And he obviously wasn't on offense. They did just enough. I really think that Scott Turner, and we talked about Curtis Samuel on the previous show a little bit,

has used Curtis Samuel so creatively, and that was another case of that today. But in general, just the way that he sets up their run game, I think they've been tough to beat. And Taylor Heineke will give you enough throws a game that in a game like this, this thing was over 10 minutes in. Yeah, it's kind of typical that Davis Mills has the pick six early, and then Heineke had, it might have been his first throw. I don't remember threw it right in the gut of a Texans defender, and then they just drop it.

And that's kind of partly the story of Heineke's season. But you said, you know, a clean game. That's nice to run the ball. I like that they gave the ball to Antonio Gibson more because to me he's a little more dynamic right now than Brian Robinson as a runner, but they both ran the ball plenty. 33 carries combined. And you just got to wonder, how are Texans colored Air Jordans, you know, going to play? Are they going to look great?

The Heinekees Jordan budget is really popping up. Can I just say, can I, because, you know, I'm not a sneaker head. I know a lot of men my age are now. but I have to say I've been unplugged on the Heineke's story with the sneakers just because I just, it was like Tommy Lee Jones in the tunnel. I don't care. But you know what? Please explain to me what this is because I don't know and maybe I'm not alone.

He wears sneakers of the team, like shaded in the colors of the teams that he slays. He buys sneakers for the whole team, Jordans, or for his offense, I don't even know. In the colors of the team, in the colors of the team. maybe it's his offensive lineman that would make more sense or offensive players special order those guys got big old feet yeah so he's dropping like i mean i don't think they charged by the yard or anything by the whole team let me look at that's what you're not maybe no it's probably offense it's a lot that's all i know it was going to say it was rude for loss the all i know is that adam shepter tweet which was more uh notable to me for the fact that

adam shepter tweeted it at all than then the jordan shepter i saw him on tv the shirt off recently. Is he going nuts? Well, we know what he was, he was mimicking the Kirk Cousins thing. There's probably a bit that producer said, please do this. I got to get, I got to get caught up. I got to be. I mean, this commander's team six and five. I know you're saying this is the stink bomb portion of the game of the show here,

but they've won what, five of six? They're in the NFC mix. They could be tied for the last last. Houston dragged them. Right. I'm just saying, I'm as surprised as anyone. Yeah, Washington has really. It's like the third year in a row where, we're like,

Ron Rivera's won like four games in a row with a strange team. I think we know the ceiling here, right? This is a nine or eight, nine and eight and nine team. But you know what? Considering all the garbage that surrounds this coaching staff and these players. I've got some developing. It's disappointing developing news. Oh, no.

It has to do with Taylor Heinecke. Oh, no. He just buys the. Jordan's for himself. That's what I thought the story was. Where did you, like, I'm too, I just assumed, well, here's why, on Tuesday, he indicated on the Pat McAvey show, he might buy his lineman Jordans for the Eagles win. Previous to that, it was only Jordan's for himself.

By the way, his base salary this season is 1.5 million. But he gets a $125,000 bonus for every victory. That was part of it. Yeah, but then you take taxes out of that, you know. And takes a bite. Yeah. You got to give a cut to your representation. That takes a bite.

He's doing. 70 players if you can't be practicing. He's doing fine. And he has guaranteed himself employment in the National Football League for about six, seven more years. If you take out all the different, you know, hands that are out, he makes $350 a week. That's a true story. Yeah. John Madden told me that in the John.

Let's move to the last game of the week. This was a hum-down. I'll tell you what. Zusser pulled the straw on this one. This was a good game. It was a good game. It was a good game. It was good.

To Denver. First and 10 on the Broncos 35. Gar. Play action again. Walking downfield. Lofts in your corner. Adams went over at the five. He walks in and the Raiders walk off with a win.

Touchdown to Vante Adams to win here in Denver. I like Jason Horowitz. KRLV? Wouldn't have mine here in Brent Musberg on that call? I hear you. Anybody else?

Miss Brett? It's nothing to do with Horowitz. No, no. It's not a reflection on his skills. Maybe even just that call. Jack Pot, baby.

I miss that. If you call, I think he has a 1-800 line, Musburger. Maybe he'll just do the call. Maybe he'll do the call for you for a fee.

Musburger is living it up in Sin City. Derek Carr hits a wide open, and I mean wide open Devante Adams. 35-yard touchdown pass. Third play of overtime.

Thank you. Raiders, 2216 over the Broncos. And overtime, you know, the Raiders never even led this game in regulation, but they get a field goal from Daniel Carlson with 16 seconds to play to push the game into overtime, you know, and good for the Raiders. Because even though Rachel Bonnetta was on her show on Friday,

and she threw out there the idea, like, Derek Carr, is he, you know, gunning for an Emmy with some of these press conferences, how upset he is? I disagree. I think this has been a very emotionally taxing season when you go by how hard things have come for this team. And to finally be on the right end of this type of game, I'm sure it feels very good for the Raiders as they get on their plane to head back to their city where the opposing play-by-play color guy would be in that city waiting for them. I don't know. You got to have a little lack about that. But anyway, nice win.

That hurt my brain. For the Raiders and the Broncos just more of the same, Mark. Again, first drive of the game or the first or second possession, Russell Wilson looks excellent. He leads it right. First half, he played pretty much perfect. Right down the field. They score a touchdown.

He's making good decisions. He's buying some time in the pocket. He's making throws. And I almost tweeted it. And I was like, oh, shut up. So I didn't. But like, you never get sucked in with this Broncos' office. because they will stall forever even when you think they're turning a corner

and it doesn't matter if it's no longer Nathaniel Hackett calling the plays. It's now Clint Kubiak didn't change anything, St. Broncos. That is pretty dark. If four months ago, five months ago, we would know that Nathaniel Hackett, who was hired for this skill, particularly, his offensive mind, is in a week before Thanksgiving, days before Thanksgiving, turning over play calling duties. That would be telling, there is an incredible stat from this game.

This season, when teams are leading by three or more points with two minutes or less remaining, they are 102 and 6. The Broncos are two and two in those games. I feel like the Raiders gave up some of those losses too. They were down 10-0 in this game. You felt like Raiders probably aren't coming back. Adams, that route in overtime was so good. He's amazing. The other defender wasn't on.

It looked like it was a blown coverage, but it was no. He just like ran the route out of, you know, got him out of his shoes. He's been incredible. Derek Carr had a big time drive to set up that game-winning field goal. But the final drive for the Broncos before that game tying drive from the Raiders was so disappointing. They run two times. They're coming out of the two-minute warning. The Raiders have no timeouts.

We were having a discussion. I kind of said don't let Russell. I'm usually the aggressive person, but if you could take 50 seconds off the clock and punt, you either run, which I would think would have been fine, you call a very safe pass, or you tell Russell Wilson you've got to take a sack unless something's wide open.

Russell Wilson is in shotgun, no play fake for the run whatsoever. He's looking down the field. It's a third and ten. I mean, how often have they picked up third and ten this year? Twice. Nothing's open. And he throws it in completion after the game they ask Hackett about it.

And he said it carefully, but he said his wish would have been that the clock would have kept moving in that situation, which is his way of saying you have to take the sack there. If I'm going to trust you to do that, you either have to take the sack or you have to run. You know, you could have run for five yards and then punted. And that's just a total brain cramp by Russell Wilson that leads pretty directly to them losing this game. That's weeks in a row. where Nathaniel Hackett is suggested verbally that the quarterback is not

He's killing him. Like he's going to get him fired. Right. And he's being asked about it after the game. I mean, Nathaniel Hackett isn't like pure in this, all of this. And you know what? I liked the call as bad as Russell Wilson has been,

as bad as the season has been for Denver. In that situation, that was Clint Kubiak saying, hey, Russ, win the game for us. Then execute it. You got to make a play. And all season. Well, you got to just take the sack. Like if something's not open, you got to run for five yards.

And he should know better. He should know better. I mean, he's trying to make a throw. I don't think it was a throwaway, even though it looked like it. I think he was trying to complete the pass. It just didn't happen. And he just, that has been his season in a nutshell. He doesn't make plays.

There was no one there, much like the last play in regulation, which they weren't going to score on anyways, but no one looked up for the pass. It's just a lot of that. For the Raiders defense of all defenses to hold you to 16 points is a new low. It's tough. They're one of these teams for you. season cannot end quickly enough for the Denver Broncos. And I think Hackett is in very

deep trouble. Yeah. New ownership. Come on, y'all. Russell Wilson. Holy shit. I remember the owners. The owners were not there. That was such a great, like, open press, that press conference. That's an example of how quickly things change in our league because

Nathan New Hackett thought he had, you know, got, and he did have the opportunity of a lifetime. He takes this job in Denver. He ends up with this Russell Wilson borderline. Hall fame level quarterback joining you on a big blockbuster trade. And I cut to nearly December and he's on the ropes. Three and seven.

All right. Let's finish this thing up with some Sunday night football, a gem. Kelsey alone on the right. Coming across to the left on the right, Kelsey, Kelsey touchdown. The hat trick. All right, Gregie, me and you are going to take this thing home. You know, this is a tough day, Greggie, as you know, for me. Swallowed some sadness.

Getting a lock on Sunday night is good. But you know it was really good, what was a real victory for me, Gregie? The NBC, you're supposed to say what, Dan? Yes, yes. The NBC telecast doing a win probability blurb as Patrick Mahomes took the field with 146 to play with two timeouts against the Chargers

who are just the Chargers and a very tired underman defense and at that point it said the Chiefs had 24% chance of victory and the camera is literally on Patrick Mahomes

one of the greatest players to ever play the quarterback position in the prime of his career and what happens yes Patrick Mahomes goes right down the field and finds his buddy, Travis Kelsey for the third time. I mean, every time Kelsey plays the charges, he rips their hearts out. The third time was the decisive score for the Chiefs and a 30 to

27 win over the Chargers. Just a heartbreaker for the Chargers who had a chance to really be in the thick of the division race. Instead, Greg, the Chiefs, yes, improved to eight and two. The Chargers fall to five and five and this division is all but over and i know they're they're swallowing sadness tonight the chargers and their fans and you said uh week 11 was a nasty little thing but i mean the only thing was that was nasty was the Travis kelsey like celebrations he gets you know the ladenian tomlinson tea drop with with the you know the before he even gets in the end zone and then he almost celebrates too early on the third touchdown and you're right i think you got a takeaway win probability

forever after lining up that graphic at the end because as someone who was rooting for the Chargers in that moment because I admit it, I have a soft spot for the Chargers and I wanted you to lose

your lock, the combination. I guess. I would just assume the Chiefs were going to do exactly what they did because you know what? Mahomes did it the whole second half. Every third and long throw that needed to be made,

he made it. And the only reason they were even in that spot really is because they fumbled. It wasn't Mahomes on their previous drive. I had no faith the charges were going to get a stop, and they did not. Yep. And we've heard about it between Joey Bosa's injury, all the issues on their front line for the Chargers.

It just set up that the old, oh, they scored too quickly. And they absolutely did. And you got to give it up for the Chargers because, yes, they came out, they came out very strong in this game. they were up 2013 at the break as they went to the half they battled with kansas city uh scored that touchdown laid off their turnover to put him ahead but yeah when they needed to dig down and find a find a way to make a huge play they couldn't and derwin james is a great player and he had one of my favorite plays i've seen all season by a defender on that sack he had where he just destroyed the running backer the running back slash blocker and then uh took out mahomes uh he gets toasted by

Kelsey. And I just think like, I'm just thinking about Kelsey this year and how amazing he's been and how that's been even more important with Tyree Kilgon. I think gronk for everything that gronk was as a all around great tight end. I think he is on some level peerless because he was so physical. But Kelsey's the greatest offensive tight end I've ever seen. And I include Grunk and I include Tony Gonzalez and Shannon Sharp and whoever you want to put in the league in the last 40 years. I think Kelsey is just unbelievable. The touchdowns he had today, specifically the last two, the athleticism he shows, he's just a brilliant player and he happens to have an all-time quarterback with him. I guess it shouldn't be so surprising. You're right. And yet at this

age, like I am surprised. And Derwin James was doing a great job on Travis Kelsey for most of that game. And some of the yardage that Kelsey piled up, he ended up with six for $1.15 and three touchdowns. He's going to set a career high here in touchdowns in, what, season number 12? I don't even know what number this is. You're right, but I do got to defend Gronk. I mean, you can single up Gronk with the AFC championship game on the line in Arrowhead and just go to him play after play after play. Are you doing that for Kelsey?

I guess you just kind of did it just now. And to your Kelsey point, he has to do more on this team right now, because they lost Cadarious Tony in this game. They were already down two wide receivers. Marquez Valde Scantling is just not reliable and not someone they can trust. And so, yes, Justin Watson and Skymore pop up and they have better games at receiver, but it's like it's more on Kelsey than ever before and he delivers. And Kelsey is 33 years old.

He turned 33 in October. I think he's older than Grog actually. So for him to still be playing at this level, it's pretty remarkable. So, you know, this was a. a really fun, exciting game. The Cadarius Tony thing is a bummer because it's a hamstring again. And it's just when we all were starting to get excited about what he can mean to this offense.

We'll see what that is. Mike Williams, my goodness, you know, in a game where Keenan Allen comes back and makes huge plays for them and looks like Keenan Allen despite the one turnover. Mike Williams goes down with, again, an ankle injury. So it's just like the Chargers can't catch a break. And, you know, as a fan of a team that's a hard luck team. the Chargers are just one of those teams you just you expect something bad to happen to them I don't know if they expect expect it to happen but cosmically it always seems to work out against them especially when it's these two teams involved just another chapter in that story these two teams play such great games I hope that the Chargers can somehow take something from this that they can play this well because this was overall I think the best that I've seen the Chargers play in a while they put up 365 yards off and they They get the key touchdown when they need it late.

Justin Herbert was going down the field in the first half. I know that's kind of stopped for the most part in the second half, but he delivered the touchdown when they needed it. They're different with Allen. Joshua Palmer had a big game. Like, they need to play like this. And I know defensively they gave up a lot, but they actually hit Mahomes a lot.

Mahomes had to make some outrageous throws on those third and longs in the third quarter. I thought were the difference to keep those drives going. And so if they can play like this, they're at 5 and 5. I actually think they can get better. But it's always these little plays. I don't know if did you listen to the radio in this game at all? I heard DJ and money late in the first half. And at that point, the Chargers, you know, came back from 1310 down to almost score two touchdowns

to close the first half out and be 2413 up. And they called the toss play on second in inches when they could have just called Herbert to pick up that first down. and take all the clock away. And the second they called that play, Money and DJ got as upset as you'll hear home announcers at the play calling. And even before they ran third down,

DJ was like, that's a four point play right there. You've got to just take the first down. And they were right. And at the end of the game, I'm just thinking about them in that moment saying that's a four point play and thinking, man, how big would those four points be? So many tough losses for the Chargers.

Unbelievable. And the Chiefs roll up 485 yards in this game and Patrick Mahomes, I believe, Greg, you picked Mahomes to win MVP. I don't think it's going to be close. I think he's going to walk away with this award. And sometimes it's these primetime games that help to decide it. And everyone will remember this as yet another memorable game for Patrick Mahomes, who stepped on that field down four points with a minute 45 and two timeouts to play

with only a 24% chance of winning. And yet he got it done. I got it done too. I did lock it up. And that was a little too close for comfort, but I'll take it. I think the Wessling brothers, the prodigal son, Nick Wessling, he got it done with a lot. Who do he lock up, Gravedigger? The commandos.

Sorry, Justin. So I think we all kind of got back to our winning ways. Well, besides Justin, who, yeah, the 37 point loss by the Vikings. Yeah, that's a lock and a half loss. I don't know if ATN lockups will run. recognize it. But like the Wesslings, how they keep their own standings, which is nonsense. It's like they're going to make some argument that one of the Wessling brothers actually should have won. I'm having my own standings. And Graver, you're now a half game even behind what you were going to be.

He can't even get in. He doesn't want to talk about it. He's upset. All right. Everybody, thank you so much for listening. Again, this is going to be a different week this week because of the holiday here in the States. So you will get a regular Tuesday show, but it won't be quite regular because it will be kind of a Thanksgiving Day preview of the three really good games to come and then we'll get you caught up on the news. Wednesday will be our full preview as opposed to Thursday.

You will not hear or see us on Thanksgiving proper, but Friday morning will be up and Adam early ahead of USA, England, by the way. No Friday fun show, but we'll release a recap of the Thanksgiving games very early. And you forgot, you know, the biggest podcast of the week. The Monday night football recap 49ers Cardinals. I didn't forget it because I wanted to cycle back to it because it's Jason Zumbalt, the voice of God, quite literally for this show now.

And Greg Rosenthal will recap San Francisco, Arizona on Monday. So big week of show. Schedule's a little different, but plenty of content as always. Thank you for, thank you to everybody for listening. And I hope if you did, like me, have to swallow sadness. on this Sunday that you chewed properly and carefully before sending it down your gullet and into your digestive track and then get rid of it and I'll leave it at that. Just get it out of your body and we move forward. There's only one way I can get out.

Yeah. We're ending the show talking about poop. All right. Here we go. Dan Hansa's signing off for The Quiet Storm. The old boss. Grave Dick. the pipe. Until Monday night, heed the call.

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