NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2022 Week 15 Recap: Best Weekend of the Year (Again)

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, and Gregg Rosenthal recap one of the best weekends of football we've ever seen, starting with the biggest comeback in NFL history when the Vikings beat the Colts (3:11) and followed by Dolphins at Bills (14:21), Cowboys at Jaguars (21:43), Lions at Jets (29:34), Patriots at Raiders (38:01), Chiefs at Texans (49:20), Titans at Chargers (54:19), Bengals at Buccaneers (1:03:00), Falcons at Saints (1:09:24), Steelers at Panthers (1:15:16), Eagles at Bears (1:21:40), Ravens at Browns (1:27:08), Cardinals at Broncos (1:32:36), and finally, Giants at Commanders on Sunday Night Football (1:35:40). Where will the Bongos play after last week's controversy? Plus, the 'Guy' committee finally gets back to Marc about Tyler Allgeier. Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dan Hans is here with Heroes. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. And when Argentina took the World Cup home on penalty shots at 1257 p.m. Eastern, it felt like a hole that the NFL would not be able to dig out of. It's a big deficit. One of the greatest sporting events of the 21st. century. And I'm not going to say anything that happened in the NFL today.

Tops what Messi and friends accomplished. And shout out to France. Gave it their all. Sure. But, man, we had some bangers in our league today. It was a hard cut from, yeah, like, and yesterday, I should say. One of the most memorable sporting events ever to Jacksonville within like three minutes

if you were in the States and watching on Fox. And yet, you know what? Those Jaguars delivered just like so many others. other games today. You just don't, you didn't want to have a big lead in this weekend of games. I was thinking that this, you know, we always say, oh, this was the best week of the year. This was. This was, but also going back to the entirety of our show.

I mean, because it encapsulated the entire, we've been bathed in football since like early Saturday. And it's been nonstop. And it hasn't really had a dip in terms of the drama and the action. So I would nominate it as the best week of football that we've had ever in our podcast. That said, I, I can't really remember any of the other weeks in a weekly basis. I'm with you. I feel like we had this conversation maybe two weeks ago that it was the best week.

But also the later you get now into the season, remember what we talked about Thursday. This has got to have it Saturday and Sunday in the NFL. So a lot of these games and how they ended have immense ramifications. I mean, I think Messi was feeling the heat from NFL Network. They were like, wow, NFL Network had a triple header and had the biggest comeback ever. and that Bill's Dolphins game may be the most memorable game of the year.

We need to step it up. That's when you saw all the natives of Argentina at the game sobbing. They were saying, oh, my God, we finally outshine the Ravens and Browns. Few. That's a tall task. We don't speak about that part of the triple header.

In fact, as we get into the games, you'll notice in the structuring here. We're going to hit the two Insta Classics from Saturday. and then we're going to kick that other AFC North game down the list a little bit because quite frankly there are a large handful a bushel of great games

to get to so let's start yes on Saturday and let's start with the first game of the week and what I call the greatest lock that has ever been locked in the history of locks let's go snap spot Joseph right foot it kicks

it is done And the Minnesota Vikings have completed the greatest comeback in the history of the National Football League. From 33 down, they beat the Indianapolis Colts. The Vikings are NFC North champions. That reminds me, actually. Oh, yes, of course. Bongo's right at the top.

Al Bongo approves. Midway through this game when it was 33-0 at half, I believe was our buddy Aaron Nagler, who covers all things Packers. We either tweeted or retweeted something along the lines of, oh, I'd love to hear a sizzle reel of Paul Allen today. Paul Allen of KFAN. Well, it ends up we did hear KFFAN.

Paul Allen on this program because, yes, the Vikings do something that's never been done in the history of the NFL, which is 103 years, by the way. They erase a 33-point deficit, beat the Colts 3936 on Greg Joseph's 40-yard field goal with three seconds left in overtime. And yes, that's how they finally, at long last, clinched the NFC North. And Mark, this is a game that I don't even know where to start on this one because it's a game. you could watch football your whole life and never see anything like this. I mean, I'd start with the hole that they buried themselves in.

And it was just, it's one of these games on Twitter where the Minnesota Vikings who have been suspicious to onlookers all season for their ability to go to sleep and then maybe wake up at the last minute when these one score games, they're a regression candidate. This was the game where it was like, yeah, this is the Vikings team we don't trust. You have a blocked punt return 24 yards for a touchdown. You have a lost fumble near the red zone, a botched fake punt that led to another score, and a 17-yard pick six. I mean, all this stuff just unraveled in such inglorious fashion that the Vikings were called out as total frauds.

And suddenly we're having these Jeff Saturday on Saturday jokes. I mean, every ugly thing is happening. At one point, it looks like Justin Jefferson stuck on the ground, not moving. You might have just gone to the darkest possible place for the Vikings. And then they worked their way out of it, and everything turns around. and what we think about the Vikings at the end of the day is completely different. And I look at this Vikings team

in terms of how they must be built mentally and psychologically inside that locker room is they can think they can win any game ever and they've done it twice now this season. Well, they were let back into it in many different ways by the Colts playing it safe. It's the only way that could happen. Yeah.

The other team really has to step up in this situation. Jeff Saturday, it doesn't seem like he's getting a lot of the heat here. I see a lot of like Matt Ryan is the, the, you know, owner of the two biggest comebacks in the history of the NFL, and I'm thinking, I mean, they did put up 33 in this game, kind of like they put up 35, although they somehow put up 36 points in the end in this game with one offensive touchdown. And a lot of the reason they didn't score more is they kept running the ball on like third and five inside the 10-yard line and settling for field goals. But so many things happened during this comeback. Only Kirk

cousins could come back in a game where, like, I think his people, you know, PFF score for what it's worth in this game was like, it was terrible because he had a couple turnover-worthy plays during the comeback. Here are some things that happened. He threw an interception in the fourth quarter with eight minutes left, up 16. The Colts had a first down in this game.

Down 16, sorry, yeah. The Colts had a first down in this game, up eight with under four minutes to go. There were the two Vikings overturned touchdowns were just really frustrating. Sinful. The worst officiated game we've ever seen, and it feels good.

It was an ultimate ball don't lie situation coming back. And we also saw Jeff Saturday pass on a potential game-winning 53-yard field goal in a day where his kicker was the best player on the field. Yeah, I thought it was, let's talk about that fumble. The return, the same Vikings defensive back, who was it again? Shandon Sullivan. Yeah, Sullivan had two plays wrongly overturned that should have been touchdown returns. And the second one, it was absurd.

there was no reason the whistle should have been blown on it. It should have been right there at that point in the game or the Vikings having a chance to tie it. And then I thought it was just terrible that the officials, okay, you blow the call. That's one thing, but then not have the common sense to give that guy a little Sullivan a break there and foul him for taking off his helmet on top of it.

And then I thought about the other thing. After that all transpired and then the ensuing Vikings drive fizzles out and the Colts have the ball, and they have the fourth and one, and they decide to sneak it. I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist here, but those officials and the NFL knew they were having a terrible game, the refs. And it's just interesting to me where that QB sneak on fourth down was measured and put down and what they used, which was blowing the whistle and getting to decide where the ball goes, basically, as opposed to where did he reach out, where his knee hit or whatever. That was very interesting to me the way that all worked out, which then set up, of course, the Dalvin Cook

touchdown on another unthinkable gaffe by the Colts. It seemed like they should have called that a first down by Matt Ryan. It was a first down. I mean, Justin Jefferson had a touchdown taken away last week by a terrible call where he was ruled out of bounds and he wasn't. The first Chan and Sullivan situation led to directly the Kirk Cousins pick six. All right? The second Chandon-Sullivan situation,

led to the turnover on downs late in the game. The meltdown we talk about for the offense. These things should not have happened. This was, first of all, if you're an official, you are trained to not blow the whistle early if you don't know exactly what happened. If you don't know that it's a dead ball. That's not happening here at the NFL level.

And the Vikings basically should never, as ghastly as their first half was, this should never have gone to overtime. It should never have been as dramatic as it was. They should have clad out, won the game and regulation had it been called correctly. It was so weird. And Vikings fans have a reason

because it does feel like week to week stuff is happening. Again, that Justin Jefferson thing a week ago was huge. Here's the thing, though. It was the perfect game for both of these teams. It was a perfect showcase for these two teams this season. For the Vikings to come back and now be the author of the greatest comeback in NFL history. But for that comeback to be so weird.

But yeah, like I said, Cousins had a 57 PFF grade in this game. They also had, you know, I don't care, though. No, I don't care. Of course, a possession in overtime where they had to punt the ball away. That was like a moment where you thought they actually might lose it because the Colts started moving the ball back. K.J. Osborne stepped up, but we shouldn't forget, like, the football, you know, takeaways from this, which is like, he looks like a true one.

He made himself some money. He's not a free agent yet. Are you saying he is him? I mean, he is a guy you can go to in major spots. And Dalvin Cook, to get them within two late in the game, had one of the runs of the year. Do we have the call for that run? Because I would love to hear Paul Allen

at some point on that run because him breaking those tackles to be was one of the all-time runs that we've seen. And it kind of gotten buried and everything else like that happened. It's so easy for things to get buried. And the thing about, we talked about yesterday, Greg, you were in my living room.

That was nice. Mark, you were out of town. Otherwise, you would have been invited as well. Well, thank you. I'm sorry to miss it. Lakeisha was with us. It was very nice. it's not like Vikings as you're saying Greg played a perfect second half to the only way you could ever come back from 33 zip is to play the perfect half and the other team has to joke no the Vikings are still kind of like go ahead Colts finish this game off and they just couldn't do it they had 19 possessions in the game that's how you do it and and Kirk Cousins I don't really care about the grade or whatever all I know is he finished with four touchdowns and 460 yards in a game they were being shut out at halftime which that's certainly never happened in football history and let's hear from Kevin O'Connell the Vikings.

King's coach who by the you know had to be feeling it on a level perhaps he never has felt it on a football field when I tell you guys uh oh crying coach alert I tell you guys I love you I mean it from the bottom of my heart and that will never change I will ride with this group until they don't let us play any more game yeah buddy and bring it in tight and then I I want to hear you guys celebrate the 2022 NFC North Championship. All right. Love it. There are so many stories coming out of this game that Greg Mniewski, the linebackers coach, told Eric Kendricks just out of half time. I guarantee this will be the biggest comeback in NFL history.

Eric Hendricks basically said that when the reporters came back to it, he just said, reporters, get out here. This is our time. We don't want to deal with you right now. And Patrick Peterson was the guy that at halftime kept shouting five touch. touchdowns. It's all you need. We got you. And the one thing about Kurt Cousins, because maybe the overall grade was bad, but if you go look at EPA, for instance, in the second half, he generated the second most passing EPA in the second half in overtime by a quarterback all season, and he had more open receivers in the second half than twice than twice in the first. Just saying

that his second half grade, if they break it down the way, was phenomenal. That's what I mean, though. Like he had to have so many chances. That's why he was so interested. They had 19 possessions, like I mentioned. For instance, like the Browns and the Ravens had nine each in their games. They have 17. They were able to withstand cousins throwing that interception in the fourth quarter and turning the ball over on downs when he made a ghastly decision to run out of nowhere on fourth down and got tackled because the defense of the Vikings stepped up and just totally stopped Matt Ryan and the Colts from doing anything.

And the Colts would be back in the little in the race, in the hunt, graphic. if not for this result. Thankfully, they're not. That was nice. And yes, I did lock up the Vikings. That is a, that will never happen again either. I did send a text at one point that, you know, I got to stay in lock mode, get it to 30 to 7, start forcing some turnovers and let it get weird. Look it too.

So, but I also was outwardly like pushing for the cancellation of the Minnesota Vikings in the first half on Twitter. I love how when the Vikings are down by 30 plus points and I lock them up, they just lose. 40 to 3. But when they're down 330, you lock them up, they come back and win. That's cool. That's how it works. Shake it off, buddy. All right, let's keep moving.

All-time game there. And then the late game on Saturday night, major implications in the AFC to a snowy orchard park. We go. Here we go. The game on the line. The snow is fine. The snap is good. The hold is good.

The kick is up. The kick is good. It is good. The fireworks go off. The bills go back to the playoffs for the fourth. consecutive year. The bills win it. 32 to 29. Amazing. Amazing. Beautiful John Murphy with the call. W.G.R. That is Tyler Bass hitting a 25-yard field goals. Time expired. Pushing the bills to a 32-29 victory over game Dolphins team on Saturday night. Buffalo

overcame an eight-point deficit in the final quarter with Josh Allen. driving his team to scores on each of the final two possessions. And yes, it's the fourth straight playoff berth for the bills. They're five, fifth and six seasons under Sean McDermott. Gregie, like I said, you got to credit the Dolphins. They went up there. They played a really good game. I challenged on this podcast to have any ability to throw the ball with any level of success.

And he had plenty of success. In fact, those receivers let him down pretty big time in some big spots. and yet Buffalo found a way and as a result they're going to win this division I just think of those last two drives they're down 29, 21 at home it almost felt like it was scripted

by NBC let's keep the field nice and clean good weather let's have some offense early let's add the snow in the fourth quarter as the big finish let's get the stop from the bill's defense a couple of time it was NFL network by the way oh that's right what am I thinking

top your employer they get a couple couple stops with Tua where there's miscommunication, not exactly bad plays, but they get a couple steps down eight. And those two drives were really telling because the first one was running the ball down their throats. The Allen, when he needs to, can just take off and run and they get a big run from James Cook, and they get that touchdown quickly. Then they get a, they get the stop to tie game. They get the ball back with almost six minutes to go. And they do the type of drive we don't think that bills can kind of do. A six minute drive where they just take. take the will away from the dolphins.

And it's not really with the running games. It was with those armed throws that Josh Allen can make that Tua can't, that nobody can, except for maybe Patrick Mahomes. Some of those opposite field hash throws, including on that last drive, including a third down play there, like are just plays people can't make. And he made a few of those in this game to score touchdowns early. But I love that he did it late using his mind, knowing exactly when they were blitzing, when they were dropping off coverage,

exactly who to go to. Every decision was just absolutely spot on and then you win a division. Well, in a different situation, you know, with the Bills team we've seen, maybe they melt because at one point, it was second and 18 at the Buffalo 13 after Allen had been dropped on a big takedown,

and he completes the 15-yarder to Gabe Davis. That's an arm strength throw right there. There you go. Then he converts the third-down, third-and-three-throw as well. So you're right, they were two very different drives because the one previous were Alan,

who accounted for 381 yards on the day and four touchdowns. It's like, okay, he's back. We're good with that. 52 yards on that one drive. And the game time two-point conversion. He had offensive linemen out. Mitch Morse got hurt in this.

They were already missing a guard. It's like they've been dealing with offensive line issues for weeks. He just put it on his back in a snowy environment, and he did it. I loved it. I mean, this was the Bills team we were waiting for. What can he do? Like, when you're watching this, Dan, aren't you thinking, like, this is one of the best quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life?

Like, this game showed him doing every different possible thing. that you can do as a quarterback. Yeah, I think what makes him so special is that that variety of skills he brings. If you need to make a Herbert-like throw, he can give you that. If you need him to truck somebody, he can do that. If you need him to get down the edge and shoot down the sideline, 50 yards, he can do that. He's the perfect quarterback in a lot of ways. And in the perfect city, in the perfect region, like he's built for this type of weather.

I just thought, yeah, it was a special fun game, a Saturday night game in December. Everybody in that stadium will remember that one forever. And again, like to circle back to Miami, I think, you know, this is where they, I think not just to me, but to anybody else who was doubting them, they can, they're not going to collapse, I don't think. I think they're going to get one of those wild card spots and they could be a tough out in the playoffs. I don't think they're a perfect team, but being able to hang in that setting really showed their abilities, as frustrating as that was. And I mean specifically on the offensive side that they were able to go into the elements and move the ball when necessary. Yeah, I think that, right. Number one, Mike McDaniel psychologically kind of prep them for,

we don't care about the weather. That's not going to be an excuse, which I'm not saying that's what Dolphins teams have been, but some kind of would go up there and fold. But secondly, the concept of like, oh, had they been figured out after the Niners and Chargers meltdowns, the defensive coordinator is now of a roadmap to slow down too and the whole thing. Well, last night, I mean, it wasn't perfect, but I don't think that was proven at all. They're going to figure out their own way to counteract what people are doing to them.

Their defense didn't come up big in a few crucial spots. You know, they came back in that game down 14 or 13, 21, 13 at one point, all the way to up 29, 21. So they ripped off those 16 points. And then the defense didn't play as well. But you got to love what you got out of Rahim Moster. You get the big play out of Jalen Waddle. Like, Moster and their running game can change it.

And it's just cool they even have the dolphins involved in games like this. I'm with you, Dan. I don't think they're going to collapse. I think they make the playoffs. I'll remember this game forever. I was watching it in Hanano Cafe with Kisha, and there's a band playing there. We wish Chris Wesleyan was here with us, obviously, for this show,

and I really wish he was there with us last night. You know, there's a band playing, and you're seeing the snow falling in Buffalo, and you got all the holiday lights and Keisha, and we're having a good time just watching, like, a classic NFL game. That's the good stuff. I have a question for Greg. Yes.

Were you in Buffalo observing this? Would you have been one of the people, throwing the snowballs, or do you not approve of that type of behavior? Good question. I don't have a hot take on this much. I don't think I would be throwing snowballs at anyone, no. I mean, maybe at my friends. I would

not be throwing it on the field. So, all right, so at a friend, okay. That's fair. Yeah, the dolphins did have 405 yards of offense in this game. They ran for more than 100 yards for the first time since week 10, but they've also now lost all three of their December game. So they have the Packers coming up, and that's, they got to win.

They got to end this, um, losing streak, but at the same time, if they would have went up there and gotten their doors blown off, we would be right in a ball. It's an avalanche. See how it all ties together. But I don't think that's where they're at. Let's see how they close their season. Let's take a break. We continue to roll through week 15. Let's get to Sunday. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development To team-building philosophies, coaching trends in how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision-makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else.

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All right, two games Saturday. Let's get to Sunday, starting with, man, who would have thought here as we edged toward late December? We'd be rushing to get to a game from Jacksonville. But that's where we're at because the Jaguars are on the prowl, and the guy behind the glass gravedigger knows it. Let's go. He dropped to throw. Looking, looking, fires middle of the field, and that ball.

is picked off. It is picked off by Ray John Jenkins. He's running it back along the right sideline. That is going to be a touchdown. That is going to be a touchdown. The Jags are going to win it on a race Sean Jenkins pick six. Are you kidding me? How good is that? Wow. What a finish to this ball game. Oh, I think we might need to isolate how good is that, Justin for our podcast going forward. Okay. From Frank Frangy W. Okavirayshan. Jenkins, have a game, kid.

Marron. Jenkins intercepted Dak Prescott's tip pass in overtime, took it to the house, 52 yards. And the Jags stunned the Dallas Cowboys, 40 to 34. This was a Jaguars team down 27 to 10 in this game. And then it became a big time back and forth affair. Gregi, the Jags. They're coming and they got a kid QB that's figured some things out as well. There's a period at every Trevor Lawrence game now

that for one quarter he just like levitates and just hits target after target in an impossible spot. And that was during this comeback. And not all of them were even caught and they made it. And I wasn't surprised. But I'm glad you mentioned Jenkins to start. start it because the play before the pick six, Jenkins comes up in a run fit, and he was doing this all day. He ended up, I think you mentioned, with 18 tackles and the two interceptions, and he

stuffs them on second and four. Before that, it was the second drive of overtime. So all the Cowboys needed was a field goal, and they had moved the ball well all day. Tony Pollard rips off like a 20-yard run, then they get 10 yards. They're at midfield, and they have a second and four. Jenkins comes in with the run stop to make it third and four, and then he does the pick six right after that. He also really started this comeback going into overdrive with an interception that people are going to get on Dak Prescott about, and they should.

Dak Prescott played a great game otherwise, and it's weird I've seen people blame this. It was literally a great throw that was the pick six at overtime. The guy dropped it. It hit him in the bicep on the move. It was a perfect throw. So I'm not blaming Dak Prescott that for all, but there was one moment when the comeback was going on

where Dak totally panicked under pressure, threw it up. Jenkins got it, and they caught up quickly. It was one of those comebacks. Time was not a factor. They caught up 17 points in no time and took the lead. It was the Cowboys who had to come back and take the lead. Something about this offense, because it feels like Trevor Lawrence totally connects with someone different every week, and they explode.

Like, Zay Jones, three touchdowns. Zay Jones, like, was essentially on the edge of not having a career a couple of years ago. So it's working. I think this is a massive win for D'SXATTS. Doug Peterson. This is a team that knocked out the Ravens. They beat the Titans. They got a chance to go against the Jets.

And suddenly, who would have looked at that Jets Jaguars game back in September and said, why on earth is that scheduled for as an island affair late in the season? Or even a month ago. Right. Actually, the game, like the Jaguars feel like the more relevant team now. I mean, we forked the Jaguars. Wee. Oh, we were bound to get in trouble with one of them.

Let me check out the standings here after and we'll get to the Titans. but, spoiler alert, it didn't go well here at SoFi. Jaguars are one game out now, and they play each other in week 18. So it's all there for the Jags to steal this division. It is a team that I, listen, as a Jets fan, I don't want anything to do with them right now because they're playing with confidence. And let's hear it from Trevor Lawrence because, again, it's not just Lawrence. It's the whole operation, which is vastly improved with Doug Peterson leading the way,

better roster, better scheme, and now a young quarterback who's, you know, reaching his potential a little more suddenly than we expected compared to where we were in, say, early October. Yeah. Let's listen to Lawrence, who, by the way, he looks like the lead singer of the most popular Christian rock band in the world. I think it's accurate. All right, let's hear from. I don't really care, honestly, what people think. You know, I say that. I do think, you know, it feels good to to win a game like this on a, you know, a big game, national game, like you said, against a great team. It feels good just to, you know, show who we are. So I can't, you can't lie. I mean, that feels good to show people that. But it doesn't change anything about us. You know, we're the same

group. We lost five games straight in October and everyone wrote us off. So, I mean, if you listen to what people say, you're not really in a good spot. So directly at us. I think also, Dan, looking at looking at him in that the presser there, maybe the, maybe the fourth Hansen brother that had less theatrical ambition and just decided not to join that group. Right, the one that, you know, played sports instead of went to the garage and wailed on the keyboard. Well, now we're talking about him. The ones that that's a foot taller and runs a four-fourth. Well, there's a reason he played sports.

It's crazy because kind of similar to the Kirk Cousins game, oh, the Lawrence played really well throughout, including in the first half. It was a clean first half, too. He had an interception in the third quarter, which was his first in a long time and was on him. and he fumbled the ball with under a minute and a half left in this game on a wild scramble that appeared to be the moment where the game was lost. All the Cowboys needed to do at that point was get a first down to win or at least get rid of the Jaguars timeouts, but they decided to throw the ball on 3rd and 10,

kind of a prayer down the field. Mike McCarthy doesn't force him to use that last timeout with a safer play call. And usually I'm for going for it there on some level. But the fact that it was like a deep shot to Noah Brown like 50 yards down the field ended up coming in very handy because the Jaguars needed that time out to force overtime and get the field goal. Yeah. And I do want because I'm going to be checking this game out tomorrow. And we have so much to get to today. So we shouldn't really focus on what's coming up next.

But I do want to have the conversation at some point this week, Greg, is where are we, where are we out on the Cowboys now after two? so-so games leading into now this loss. And the NFC East is now pretty much gone. A 10-and-4 and the Eagles are in total control of that division now, even though they still have a head-to-head. So costly loss for the Cowboys who are probably now going to be a wildcard team and watch out for the Jags who not only have moved into the In-the-Hunt wildcard area now themselves, although, you know, a long shot in that department, they can outright win this division.

I think they graduated from berser category to legitimate title threat in that division. I think that these Cowboys teams who have had some bad Cowboys vibes over the years of like blowing it at some point have to start being a little worried the way this game ended up on offense, four and out field goal, interception, three and out punt. Then they get the touchdown, three and out punt and interception and overtime. That's a rough way to end the game. To Cowboys fans who have felt a lot of disappointment in December and January in the last quarter century. All right, moving on. How about an NFC team that graduated from berserker to actual playoff participant, possibly? Let's head to the medal ends.

Golf's going to throw it back and looking, throws wide open left side. Brock Wright with it to the 30. Brock Wright 25. Brock right 20. Come on. To the 10 to the 5. To the end zone. Touchdown Detroit Lions.

Oh my. 51 yards. Golf to Brock Wright. And the Lions are back in front. Oh, baby, how big is that? This is a, the announcers losing their voice week. Go ahead. I opt out of this week.

VATI. I'm not going to pretend I wasn't loving seeing that highlight. Are you kidding me? Oh, we'll get to the Patriot game soon. The Stones. Oh, there was no Patriots game. The only game in town is the Detroit lines. That was amazing.

I don't know. I've known Dan for over a decade, and I hesitate to dance on his situation. You know, you've got a real gift for pitch, Greg. This is a very special honor. I didn't think we were breaking that out right away. We always do. And that shows that old Zusser, Tugboat, he's looking out for the show, first and foremost,

because that was not a pleasant moment. Well, you're a showman. You are a showman, Dan, first and foremost. Well, you know who put it on? a show. Brock Wright. What? Fifty-one-yard touchdown. Catch-and-run on a Jared Gough pass on fourth and inches from midfield with 149 to play. Puts the lines ahead after the Jets were that close to sealing a massive win. And it wasn't over, though, after that play, which made it all the more painful. The Jets get the ball back. Zach Wilson, who had a very up-and-down

game here, completes a couple of Miracle. throws third and 18, I think they convert. They are fourth and forever they convert to stay alive. But some really suspect clock management by Robert Sala, where they had all their timeouts and yet put themselves in a position where they were kicking a 58-yard field goal with one second to play that never really had a chance. Greg, the leg pushed it left.

So, yes, the lines escape with the win. I wouldn't say that the, you know, the Jets outplayed the lions in this game. I think Detroit overall felt like the better team for most of the game. And then the Jets were able to make some plays and put a drive together in the second half to put them in the lead. And once they had the lead with about four minutes to go, you thought, okay, the defense, which again, this jet defense, even without Quinn and Williams was doing really well. So it slowed down the lines in a lot of areas they've thrived during this winning streak for the Lions. But in that spot, I got to give credit to Ben Johnson specifically.

for a play call that had the Jets completely caught off guard at midfield there. The whole defense followed Amonrod St. Brown across what they thought was going to be either a run or maybe a short like drag type pass to the right. And that allowed the backup tight end to sneak out and make the play of the year for the Lions. So it hurts. It stinks for the Jets. But for the Lions, it's another big win for a team that really is everyone's darling. I mean, they've unlocked a star with Ben Johnson because I think that,

That was the takeaway from the Vikings win a week ago for Detroit, was that Ben Johnson was just a step ahead with each series, with each play. And then so to see that he tricked out the Jets, too, I mean, I would ask you, I mean, Zach Wilson may have to start Thursday. I saw one throw, the one where Garrett Wilson was so frustrated after, I think it was the third and 12 where he just totally missed Garrett Wilson. That to me is the kind of throw that in recent weeks, Mike White was making that throw. And that was sort of the difference in their offense and their passing game.

Wilson was not as, I mean, at least had a couple of big plays. I know some of them seemed a little hokey, but it wasn't, it was just more like a major roller coaster, it seemed like. It was a roller coaster. I would not say he had a good game at all. He was, he threw for 317 yards. He had two touchdowns. Like I said, if they get the stop on fourth and inches there before the touchdown by Detroit, everyone's talking about how he made a big throwdown field to Garrett Wilson.

Then on a third and goal from the half yard line, he throws the ball to CJ Azama for the go-ahead touchdown. So it's a totally different story. But now that they lose, you can actually be a little more clinical and look at what he did, which was, yes, he hit on some throws downfield, but still way too many misses on throws that have to be made, whether it's a wide open receiver or a receiver that, you know, they talk about an NFL open versus college open. Throws that aren't easy, but for a better quarterback and even for a guy like Mike White has been money in the bank. So that's what you saw Garrett Wilson. and some of these guys should calm down a little bit about some of the histrionics on the field because that's, I don't think, necessarily helpful.

But what you saw there is that this team, you know, they want Mike White playing. Yeah. And the Jets were so desperate to have Mike White playing that, and Ian Rappaport reported this morning that he has three fractures in his ribs and he's going to miss two weeks at least. They almost put him on the field in that state.

So I think this is Zach Wilson's last stand here, I think as the Jets quarterback, and this was a very uneven result. And I think if Mike White is healthy, he absolutely will play Thursday. But I think the timing of this matchup, it means we might get the final Zach Wilson start as a jet. They did get to Zach Wilson from a PR, how to answer questions perspective. Because they asked him after the game, do you think you should start Thursday? Let's see what he said.

Nice setup, Mark. Oh, it's good. I think you played well enough to deserve another start. I like that. No, I think that's not up to me. Compute, compute. And for me, I think it comes back to how can I watch this film? how can I improve and can I keep trying to put our offense in the best situation to win we talked about it on the Friday fun show with Claybon like I said he's under a lot of pressure in this game and Patrick as Patrick sometimes does he pushes back on things and he said pressure isn't a thing it's just that he's not good but no I think there was a lot of pressure beyond the pressure to perform also to handle that situation it's just been there's been a lot on his shoulders and he hasn't always been up to the task but it wasn't all bad but it's certainly

wasn't good. It was very up and down. Well, the crowd was on him, too. I don't care what anyone says. I don't think that feels good when you're a young player. When I watch him, I'm like, I am old because he looks 12 years old to me in that press conference. He's getting younger? It's like a little boy with like a little eye shadow under his eyes. It's a massive step

and test passed for the Lions, too, to go east in a cold situation. In a matchup that was basically even. You look at any stats in this game in terms of yards, average per play, certainly the score throughout the game. They each have their strengths and weaknesses,

but it doesn't surprise me that these two teams who came in about it almost as a pickum played even. And the Lions weirdly haven't won many of those games. They've lost a lot of close games. They've won some blowouts. And it's just sort of another box to check that you don't need the Lions' offense

to necessarily score 35 every time for them to win. I know they got helped out by Zach Wilson starting this game. But you get a couple sacks out of O'Quara and Kaminsky gets one. James Houston gets another. sack. It's crazy, this rookie pass rusher. And it's like they, they are getting contributions from a lot of different players. And they're now a half a game behind the final playoff spot, both them and the Seahawks at seven and seven, only half a game back with three weeks to go. And how much

one play can change everything. Just like I said, if the Jets get that stop at midfield, everyone's talking about Zach Wilson, perseverance and leading that drive. If Jared Gough airmills that throw to the tight end and they lose, we're talking about how Jared Gough got found out again. against a big defense on the road when actually the cards were down. But since the play call was brilliant, and it was a can't-miss throw, he hits it, and the tight end does the rest and saves his numbers, and they win the game. Not a great golf game. Something to keep an eye on now as we really get to the crucible.

And so they have the Panthers, the Bears, and the Packers. I locked it up. You did? Got to have it Sunday. I got, I had to have my five-game lock streak. Shame on you. Loss has come to an end. I finally got to win.

Why does no one, like literally no one even has a recollection of that. Were we all there when you do this? I guess so. Congratulations, Justin. That's a big effort for you. You had a personal setback as well with your favorite team. I did. Also, Sean Kelly picked this lock for me.

So credit to him. Oh, there we go. There you go. You got to go to the experts. Go to the sharps. All right, let's take a break and we'll get to more football. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

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Gotta have it Sunday. Let's keep moving with another game that will not soon be forgotten. Mack Jones hands it off on a trot of Romandre Stevenson, breaks out of a tackle at the 50, has the 45, breaks away from another tackle, pitches it backwards, and now Jacoby Myers spinning around, he throws You're not losing. To Tampa Jones in midfield. You're stiffle. Taylor Jones, racing towards the end zone.

Oh. It's scores. Another cracking boys. I can't believe what I just saw. On the first night of Hanukkah in the mirror in Florida, Vegas. A lot going on there. Wow, I did not see the Hanukkah plug. Put that in the best calls of the year, please.

I did not see that coming. The call. there is by Jason Horowitz. There you go. Can you really say I can't believe what I just saw? I can't believe that in this case. I guess. I feel slightly trademarked to me.

KRLV. Horowitz in a big spot with the call Chandler Jones, the former Patriot, probably no love loss between him and Bill Belichick, to be the one just standing near midfield, minding his own business as everybody in the building, Players, coaches, 50, 60, 70,000 people in attendance getting ready for overtime. And Jacoby Myers throws the ball up for grab. Grabbs Chandler Jones catches it, stiff arms, Mac Jones into Middle Earth. And then scores in stunning fashion.

Final score. 30 to 24 Raiders over Pat's. Unbelievable. We now welcome in the great Nick Shook. The Raiders 6 and 8 and probably still there in the hunt, whether we want to believe it or not, they, at 6 and 8, they're still there. And the Pat's in a crushing fashion fall to 7 and 7. I don't think, have you ever seen anything like this, Shoggy? High school, Pop Warner, college.

No, no, I've seen it all now. I think this is where I call it a career. I'm going to move on now, guys, and right off into the sunset of retirement because this is never going to be topped in stupidity, in unlikelyhood. in the fact that he's stiffed arm, not just anybody, but the quarterback, like you said, into Middle Earth, sent him through the turf at Allegiance Stadium. Just a remarkable finish. I don't think you can say I don't believe what I just saw, but I truly did not believe what I saw today.

I mean, so Chandler Jones wound up with more yards after the catch than any pass catcher in this game, which says something about the offenses. But at least, the one thing that kind of bubbled up as the game ended is people saying, This is the stupidest thing that Bill Belichick has ever done. It's the most un-Bill-Belichekian strategy at the end of the game. He didn't do it, by the way. Yeah, exactly. That's the point.

Bill Belichick. Jacobi Myers did at least say, I mean, I'm glad they got the interview quickly, but that he just didn't see Chandler Jones there. Whether he did or not, this was not a Patriots plan here, Nick. Wait, wait, can I just say something? No. Well, you're the host, so please. Well, no, I was going to say, does it, what's the thing that was the most stunning to me

immediately in the seconds after it, and by the way, Greg's fandom might be RIP. because I'm standing next to him. And he's just standing there. And all he could see him do, I could see him computing all those different picks and, like, would he do in this thing? What are he doing his game day picks? Like, did I cover the spread in this thing?

And I'm just like, what is what happened to this guy? I picked the Raiders in this game and this Patriots team deserves a dirt nap because they're so sloppy and the ending will kind of, that'll be the focus. And it should be the focus, but they're just a bad team. And so I'm fine with them taking a dirt nap. My end's losing fans left and right on this show. So that's the problem.

My, yeah, I'm Malona and I, there's Shooky, the Browns fans still. But I have to say, do the Patriots not know that game's tied there? That's what to me really was the most stunning part of it. And maybe there is coaching. You can't say, oh, this is Bill Belichick's fault. But yes, all this criticism around New England about maybe this coaching staff is in over its head. And you've seen a lot of uncharacteristic mental errors all season by this team. You saw a block punt in this game where the guy on the edge for the Raiders was untouched on the block punt.

a huge bus by New England special teams. This is just stuff that you can't ignore some of this, Nick. Yeah, and you see, you know, Mack Jones getting frustrated week after week with the offense and the fact that they can't move the football consistently. It's very unlike them. It's unprofessional. It's just untidy and it's not like the Patriots.

But again, you're right. They had to know. They had to not know that the game was tied. This is J.R. Smith in the NBA finals all over again. They did know because they called the clock. They knew because they called the drive. They didn't call that that's at least what the players are saying unless they're really trying to cover for the coaches.

They said, no, they just call the draw, go to overtime. Romandre actually gets a big gain on it and just in the moment decides to lateral it. It's on those two players. Jacoby takes it to it. So sometimes you don't need that much crazy analysis of it. It was just like a beautifully insane play that two players made mental errors on.

But the rest of the game where there's 13 penalties by the Patriots at pre-stop and Mack Jones throws for 112 yards. They had 31 dropbacks for 112 yards. Like, that's on them. That's on them point. And this is a game, it was, this was like five games and one. But this is a game, the Raiders, after that block punt, and then they scored, touched on right before the half. They are up 17.3.

They're once again up 14 points, 13 or more points at halftime, and immediately gag it all away and give up 21 points in the fourth quarter. Derek Carr, this gets totally lost now, Shooky. leads the team on a long drive connecting on a touchdown pass that was very close and probably was an incomplete pass with a toe on the out of bounds line, but there wasn't enough evidence. They kicked the extra point, which sets up the madness that we saw. Do you want to hear from Josh McDaniels, who, by the way, on the top of everything else, this was him against the master, the pupil against master. I didn't see the midfield handshake on this one, but that had to be a little bit weird for Bill. Here's McDaniels after the game.

Don't get tackled by the quarterback. I mean, literally, I just was thinking, I couldn't, you know, it was obviously very, I don't know what the word would be, but I was, I was, you know, once Romandre pitched the ball to Jacoby, you know, I figured we'd probably just tackle whoever had it, and then that would, that would be it, and we'd go to overtime, and then when he laterled the ball, I had no idea, you know, it didn't seem like a lateral play to me, you know what I mean, when they handed the ball off to the back. So when they handed it to the back, I thought, you know, okay, tackle him, go to overtime. And then when I saw the ball up in the air and then I saw Chandler underneath it, I'm thinking, oh my God, we might have a chance at this. And then when he caught it, I just, I saw Mack was back there and just hoping that he could avoid, you know, whatever effort that Mack had to tackle him. And then hopefully had enough juice left in his body to get to the end zone. So I watched the hug, Dan. And it was, it was got to be the worst two seconds of Bill Belichick's week was waiting for Josh McDaniels and Mack Jones to

stop their embrace as Josh McDaniels is telling him like a lot about things like life offenses probably like stick with it all this stuff they're embracing and Belichick is just standing there next to him waiting for McDaniels to be done then they give them a quick hug it leaves well it's better the last the last time they faced each other they faced each other in 2009 when McDaniels was the Broncos coach and that was the team that started it was 2009 or 10 they started 6 and oh and there were shots of after they beat the Patriots Josh McDaniels running around the stadium pumping his Oh, I remember that. They caught heat for that.

Right. Then they just lost that the floor fell out and he never did again. How about this Raiders season in general? I mean, this has got to be going down as one of the most bizarre. It might not end with anything. It probably won't. It's probably an eight and nine team or whatever it's going to be. But almost every game is memorable and quite frankly bonkers.

Memorable for their bad reasons, usually the fact that they blow so many leads. But they've had a few go the other way now in the last month. Yeah. Yeah, their offense, they can't get to Devante Adams in the second half. That's consistently a problem for them. Yeah, it's been a balker season. You know, at one point in this season, I was saying they're probably like the best one in four, one in five team, whatever they were in the history of football that just couldn't get the job done. But it had way more talent than their record indicated.

But now at this point, they are a six and 18 because they make so many mistakes. It's just that this time around, it paid off for them. And, you know, it was not a great Sunday for Zusser and got knocked out of my fantasy playoffs. That's not pleasant either. But then I remembered after this, right, was we were coming to the studio. Oh, Scott Zolak had to react to this on live radio. So let's check in the Sension Powerade bottle with his partner, Bob Sochi, I believe, reacting to an insane play by the Patriots. Jones will give it to Steeleyn.

He started right. He runs it up the middle hit by Chandler. Jones slips and hit across the 45 for the stiff arm off attack off the 40. He lost the football. And Jacobi Myers picks it up. He circles back and he throws it across the field throw. Oh, my God. He's picked up by Chandler Jones.

He breaks away to the football. 30. He runs to the 20. He runs to the 10. He runs to the end zone. Unreal. Touchdown. Raiders. This might be one of the dumbest teams I've ever seen. And a victory for Las Vegas. I don't know what to say. This is a heads roll type freaking play right here. Oh, my God. Zolak never thought he was going to sign up for negative times. Oh, did he just insinuate Bill Belichick should be fired? No, I think it's definitely the lieutenants under Bill Belichick, but I've seen enough little reports popping up

that there will be pressure on Bill Belichick to change those lieutenants. And you can be sure Bill Belichick is aware who is putting out these little bubbles because it's the only person above him or people above him in the organization. It is ugly. I thought Bob Sochi had a great call. He did a really good job.

And that was, I think, Zolak. Jackbutt, baby! Musburger would have been great on the call, too. But Harwoods came in hard with a Hanukkah hit, and that's memorable as well. It's all beautiful. And I just want to say, Nick, no more calling this uncharacteristic of the Patriots.

It's actually been three years. This is the Patriots post-Brading. I just mean they're heavily penalized and they're inefficient and make big mistakes. Like, they've been one of the most heavily penalized teams a couple of years running. Like, this is who they are. It's not uncharacteristic.

That's all. Penalty on fourth and goal. How about, yeah, you can't get a, the Raiders had given up 32 straight first and goal touchdowns. The Patriots have a second and goal at the one, and they choose to throw a couple of passes and they don't get a touchdown. It also got a pick six to open the third quarter. They had shut down the Raiders for most of the second half, and then things got insane.

But we're openly rooting for them to not make the playoffs, not because they're the Patriots, because they're an eyesore. Well, speak for some people for both reasons. Sure, but I'm, like, I'm comfortable with the ladder camp. Right. Shook, you want to hang around for another game here? Absolutely. Let's go to a game that did make it to overtime,

and I think everybody was kind of surprised it did. Mahomes, hands at Austin McKinnon trying to dart left. 25, 20, downfield, black, 10, five, touchdown. Kansas City. Terrific run by Jerich McKinnon to win the game in overtime. And the Kansas City Chiefs have won the AFC West for a seven consecutive year. Seven years in a row. Mitch Holtis with a call, WD.A.F.

Jerich McKinnon, he is a player. 26-yard touchdown run in OT. Chiefs get three touchdowns for Patrick Mahomes. 30-24 over a game Texans team, which is fighting hard for Lovie Smith down the stretch here. Mark, I'll start with you on. on this one. Why was this game an overtime contest at all?

How did this happen today? Because I think everybody expected this to be a total blast job by Yeah, Andy Reid summed it up well. He said it was a weird game. And it was. I think it was just an example

of the Chiefs being a little bit off. And they've been a little bit off on offense for stretches. And then when you throw in mistakes, you get a game like this. This wasn't the Texans really stretching their legs here and showing us that they're turning into something more powerful.

It was that you got an Isaiah Pacheco fumble at the Kansas City 17 that set up a Davis-Mills touchdown. It held them go up 14-0. There was a touchdown drive before the half, but Harrison Bucker missed the PAT. So that's 14-13 going into half for Kansas City. Juju Smith-Schuster had a big fumble that led to another Texan's touchdown that put him up 21-16. And then Harrison Butker, who we've been so used to seeing reliably nailing kicks from all over the place, missed a 51-yard field goal with seconds to go that put it into over. time, Nick. But, you know, the Chiefs also had Patrick Mahomes completing 19 straight

passes at one point. It's like when they're bad, their version of bad is better than anyone else's version of bad. It made it close, but were you ever really in doubt that they were going to take this thing? I was surprised I got to overtime. I wasn't entirely surprised that Bucker missed that kick. He's just another guy that's just kind of been off this year in general. You kind of saw it with the P.A.T. that he missed as well, like you mentioned. But, you know, it's still the Chiefs. They still move the football. And I like that they're actually getting their ground game kind of going a little bit with Pacheco and then Jerich McKinnon making a difference in the ground and through the air. It's two straight

weeks where those two have combined for over 120 yards of all. Actually, I think it was close to 200 yards of offense the last two weeks, including today. So that part is encouraging, but you're right. They're not at their full form yet. They're not hitting their stride entirely right now, which is fine because you still won the AFC West and you still win this game. It's just that for the last two weeks, they've taken, you know, teams that they should be beating. They've had them take them almost to the wire in each game and had to really earn them at the end and that's just a little concerning.

You don't see any overtime games where it's 502 yards to 219. Well, the Texans have the Texans average 3.6 yards per play. So that wasn't a Houston thing as much as a... So there were special teams. Well, no, they just like, again, they got the app and short fields. Yeah, they got the ball to 17. They got the ball deep in Chief's territory in the second touchdown. To your point on Jared McKinnon, a little fantasy nug,

he has 30 plus PPR points in two straight games. Whoa. The only two running backs to do that all year have been Josh Jacobs and Austin Eckler. So McKinnon has fit in really well. Nice fantasy nudge. Hashtag league winner. From the fantasy corner. From the corner.

But Pacheco is an interesting part for this offense, too. I think he runs the ball differently than any Chiefs back we've seen in a while. Can I tell you the Chiefs are 11 and 3? They're obviously in great position as they jostle with the Buffalo for that top seed. I don't put too much into, you know, they were a little sluggish against the Rams a few weeks back. the Broncos, that game is closer than it should have been. This Texans game now, this feels like a team that's been doing this for so long now that they're just grinding through the rest of the schedule.

They're going to get their 13 wins or so, maybe 14 wins, and then they're going to be ready to cook when it matters in a big spot in January. So you just, they're checking boxes and trying to say healthy. It reminds me of Buffalo because their slump. They never lost during their slump. Samezies. All right. Shoki, thank you very much, my friend.

and, you know, well, if we don't see you before, the holidays, Merry Christmas. Oh, thanks to you guys as well. Thanks for having me, as always. Happy holidays and start celebrating Hanukkah, as I just found out started today. Yeah, there we go. It's in a big spot. The Shook family, that had got to be a fun Christmas. He's got like 17 cousins and siblings and all over.

Got to be a lot of Miller Light being ingested. Very a very beefy crowd. Plenty. You know my, you know my favorite there. Thank you. A lot of Boggs Light. All right. See you later, buddy.

All right. Let's keep rolling. A lot to get to. Let's head across the sidewalk to Sofi Stadium where the charges were looking to solidify their wild card spot. And the Titans were looking to get things calm down. Spoiler alert. They didn't. Locking up to against the jets.

This will be a 43-yard kick from the right hash. Uh-oh, there he is. Snap. Kick is up and it is good. Voice crack. Come on, money. Oh, Kimmer. And Dicker puts the bolts up three with four seconds to go.

What a drive. Money's voice has never cracked. So on the day where all the announcers are amped up and frying their vocal cords with screams from the booth, Money, the great professional, cannot be undone. Money with Jeremiah in there somewhere. K-Y-S-R on the call. Let's get some kicker club music in here. for Dicker the kicker.

Dicker the kicker for a team of chargers who have long struggled to have any type of, you know, trust in the guy that, as we all know, and why they're celebrated on this podcast, have such a huge role in getting teams to playoffs and separate seven and nines from nine and sevens or nine and eights from eight and nines. Dicker, he's been doing it all year long and he did it again there at the gun, allowing the charges to move past the Titans. a 17-14 win those chargers are now 8 and 6 and Mark the Titans keep losing now 7 and 7 and only game up on the Jags I feel for them in this one

because you have Ryan Tannahill and an offense that's struggling all game on third down they've been awful on third down all year and it came down to a last stand for Ryan Tannahill is playing on a messed up ankle he left the game for a while early had to go have it heavily taped and just refuse to come out.

Like, he's just the tough. We just get this every week. There's some example of why I think he's the toughest quarterback in the AFC. Other people have other standards that are higher than him. That's who he is. He made a couple of key throws when they were down 14 to 7 with less than three minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Chico Conquo, Austin Hooper, Derek Henry had a big run.

And then Henry got stuffed and then Tanny barreled in for the tying touchdown. And you thought what? The Tennessee has worked their way out of this dark corner they're in. But they left Justin Herbert. They might go for two there to take the lead. They could have. I mean, they didn't, but they left Justin Herbert too much time. And he got to work.

It was the Herbert from last week on this last drive. A 16-yard-o to Mike Williams, a six-yard-old-Evirt, and an insane on-the-moved throw to Mike Williams. Who is, Greg? I know you mentioned this on the Thursday show. It is just doing things down the field that other wide receivers are not. And we used to see it in flashes. He's now doing it regularly.

That went to the Tennessee 20. they spiked the ball. Then they got a weird delay of game. And this is why this was happening right when that Raiders thing was happening. And down in our newsroom, everyone's on a, I'm on tape delay on game pass at my desk, and everyone's ahead. And I thought, wait a minute, Dicker's lining up for this after the delay of game kick. He must have missed this thing.

People are going crazy. Then I see the Chandler Jones thing. I see Dicker hitting the kick and the game is over. But it really kills me, and we should bring in Gravedigger. It kills me for the Titans because their defense today, I thought played one of the best games they have played all year. Joshua Kalu, DeAndre, like what he did when he blew up DeAndre Carter on a big run, guys like DeMarcus Walker, Roger McCrary, who had a tipped interception leaping out of bounds to Kalu.

The best interception I've ever seen in my life. I have to say it absolutely was. It was like an orchestrated volleyball play. It was like a cricket play. I thought the Titans were just going to find a way to do this. So I can't imagine what it was like for you to be in the stadium, which was very loud today. See, Mark wanted some validation after jumping on the Titans bandwagon. This was going to be his time.

Well, no, I feel bad for our producer. As Mark alluded to there, Justin did go across the sidewalk and attended this game. And he's a pro because he's back in the studio now. I got Robert Woods glove. How? Can you believe that? Wait, you're a go-by-the-tunnel guy and wave your hands? Does he know you have it?

I had to leave the game at 4 o'clock, three minutes left in the game before the Titans completed their comeback. Oh, wow. Randy Chavez was also in the stadium randomly with tickets by the tunnel and he got this and gave it to me. What a good dude. What an amazing cool thing. Also, like Robert Woods hasn't really needed those gloves this year. We were kind of joking that they're a little small, actually. Doesn't smell normally.

I didn't not give it a whiff. I'm not really curious. I think there was a turning point in this game. Titans missed a 51-yard field goal, which, like, you were just saying, Dan, the reason we played it for Cameron Dicker here, by the way, is that there's the difference between a 7 and 9 or 9 and 7 team. Like Randy Bullock has missed a potential game-winning field goal early in the year for the Titans. That could be a huge win when it comes down to the standings. And then a 51-yarder, which like 51's not automatic, but there are some teams who have kickers where 51 yards is automatic, and the Titans certainly do not.

Like zero wins so-fi. Well, exactly. I mean, he should be able to hit a 51. I mean, NFL kickers these days, 51 yards is like... You know, I hit a 30-yard field goal at Sofey Stadium at the holiday party. Maybe you should kick for the Titans. So let's make that kick is what I'm saying. On that sequence, the Titans end up in their first and 10 at the Chargers 25-yard line.

And they end up kicking a 51-yard field goal because they lose eight yards from there and get a fourth and 18. After a second and 16 following a Tana Hill sack, they run the ball second and 16 for seven yards. You're at third and nine, back to the 24-yard line. I'm thinking just be safe, run the ball, and kick a manageable field goal. Titans call another pass play, give up another sack, two sacks and three plays, pushes them back, makes it a 51-yard field goal. If they just stay conservative there, you have a chance to. I know.

That's all part of what they are, which is a terrible offensive line. Not many offensive lines have made the Chargers pass rush look fearsome this year. And it comes down at the end, I think, to like, the Chargers have Justin Herbert who can make that throw at the end. And almost every team in the league doesn't. And going into these last two weeks, we were talking about Sean Payton's going to take this charge of job. And I said these two weeks to decide Brandon Staley's career here,

Dolphins, Titans back to back because the schedule gets easier now. He ends up finding a way to win them both, good defense, timely Herbert plays. And now they have like, according to the projections, most out there, the playoff projections, like a 70 plus percent chance because they're the six seed at eight and six and their schedules. I would also say the Titans get in their own way because I was counting their, they are the worst third down team in the league. They have the most three in outs. They were one for nine today, I believe.

They had multiple third and two scenarios where Derek Henry is not even on the field. I get that we know it's going to go to Derek Henry if he is, but you're putting Tannahill in a situation where he's got a complete throws and he had a bunch of wayward scenarios on third down. Well, he's trying to target Robert Woods on a quick out where he got Asante Samuel Jr. all over him. It's not open. He's trying to throw to Chigaquanko on the sideline. Kyle Van Nuoy in coverage, doing a great job. It's not open. I think the Titans' offense is one of the worst in the NFL.

I kind of feel like Greg feels about the Patriots right now, where I'm just like, this Titans team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs. They got a lot of work to do. It's not Tanahill's fault, though. The Jaguars are playing right now so much better football. The Jags, the Chargers, and I'll throw the jets in, that make, I'm putting the Dolphins in, too. Like, that makes the best playoffs. Like, so if we're shuffling in the chargers and the Jags for the Titans and, let's say, the Patriots, like, that's just a more entertaining product.

Yeah, it's more fun. The Titans are one of the most boring teams to watch, and their offense is terrible. And it's happened so quickly, this flip that's happened in the AFC South that it no longer feels stunning if the Jaguars take this thing. They do have the Texans next week, but it's like the Texans are playing right now. I don't think the Titans are going to win that game. You're in a lot of trouble, buddy. It really did. I mean, it did.

turn on the dime the moment Mark jumped off the band on the band. Yeah, but I've now been thrown off the bandwagon, so you can't, that, yeah, it was nice to blame me for it. The team actually has issues. You can't just blame some guy in Los Angeles talking about football. Let's take Mark. Let's take a break and we'll continue on. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team-building and philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find

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Let's start with the team that everybody thought was going to cruise to the title. And today it looked like they might have gotten themselves figured out. But guess what? They still stink. Bucks, Bengals. Let's go. Chase out to the left. Burrow looking, his throat.

by chase heads for the end zone touchdown bangles joe burrow with his third touchdown pass of the second half unbelievable burrow would add a fourth touchdown pass later in the game the final touches and a 3423 win over the bucks for the bangles a game a gentleman that had Tampa bay up 17 nothing with about a minute to play in the second quarter. Bangles kick a field goal and then score 31 points in the second half as they continue there to just cruise through this section of their schedule. Gregi, the Bengals flexing their muscles now up to 10 and 4. It felt anything like a cruise though. I don't know what to do with this game. It was so strange that they were down 17-0. And dead in the water.

Late in the second half hadn't moved the ball at all. It was clearly the best half of football the Bucks had played overall all season, I would say. On both sides of the ball, they were fantastic. Brady was really sharp. Cincinnati gets three before halftime, but you don't think that's big a deal. And then it just becomes a turnover fest. Four straight possessions, one on a fake punt where Gio Bernard didn't appear to know the play call.

It would have gotten them the yard, and they snap it right to his helmet. So that gives the Bengals the ball in-field goal position. But they don't get anything. Again, the Bucks like stand up, and it's still 17. at that point. And then the next four possessions, bad interception by Brady, touchdown for the Bengals. Fumble, I believe that one was by Brady, too. The pressure got there quickly, but I think Brady will be mad at himself for fumbling that

ball for either not getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing it away on third down or not securing it. Obviously, his offensive line was not playing well. He didn't have Tristan Worf in this game in Donovan Smith, then left later in the game. they fumble again the next possession and then Brady throws another interception on a pass where it hit him in the arm the next position. So all four, the Bengals have the ball in Buck's territory

to start their possession and they clean up with three touchdowns in a field goal and suddenly the game was over. And at no point did it feel like, hey, like the Bengals have solved everything offensively, but it didn't matter. They have something special about them as a team that when they fall down, they make the big plays and the guys like Trey Flowers and Logan Wilson

are making huge plays. They're without their top two defensive ends because Sam Harvard left and Trey Hendrickson was already out and it's like it doesn't matter. Someone steps up for this team. That's a sign of an awesome team. I thought they found another way to win. Sure, the Brady fumble gave them the ball

at the Tampa Bay 13. They got it at the 39 when Fournette fumbled. But I thought there was this other big play, Dan. We were watching this when Burrow, you know, weaving backwards on a fourth down play. and gets sacked for a 27-yard loss, a very unburrow like operation right there. But the play is called back by holding,

and seconds later he's hitting T. Higgins for a five-yard touchdown, and they've scored in a two-point conversion to Tyler Board, they scored 20 unanswered points. And at that point, it's just like, oh, wait, the bucks were great for this half. And it was a very unusual thing to watch because they've been such a mess and such a tough watch. But then they shifted back into who they were.

And I think that's who the second half is who the bucks are, for most of this season. And I think I tweeted about it. Like Tony Romo, I think, I don't know if it's because he kind of, he's a Tom Brady, he's a contemporary when he was a player. He's obviously, and the respect you obviously have for a man like Tom Brady. But, you know, you could tell like Romo wants Brady and the Bucks to figure things out. And in that first half, Tony was just like over his heels, like with the praise of the Bucks that this is the best they've looked.

And, you know, he was right, though. That's why this is, I think, is disappointing as. any loss all season there has been for the bucks because you get to this point of the season where you're six and seven and you're playing the defending AFC champions and you're kicking their butts and it's late in the second quarter and you're thinking to yourself as you go to that locker room even after you give up the last field goal all right like everything's still in front of us we can win this bad division and if we get our personnel right and all of a sudden Chris Godwin's looking better and Mike Evans is on the same page with Brady maybe we can make a season

of it I don't think there's any way that this team can wake up tomorrow morning and and think there are anything else than just also. No, isn't it just flipped from their other games where they're horrid for three quarters? Then Tom Brady has the big comeback for one quarter. It just was, it happened early. But this is a team that rarely plays 60 minutes of football. They'll give you 21, 22.

It has a lot to do with the coaching. It does. This one felt fluky just because so many turnovers in a row. But Bowles feels how you feel, Dan. After the game, you said we've got to keep fighting. We understand what we're doing. It's not good enough by far. It's not even close.

We've got three games left to try to save our season. When was the last time you heard of a team who's in sole possession of first place with three games left of the season saying we've got three games left to save our season? How many times in recent history has a team been six and eight and they're in sole possession? They're kind of an uncharted territory. But I don't think that sounds like a team that doesn't believe in itself and they shouldn't because they're not very good. And we keep on thinking they could be good, but they've given us so much evidence now for three months

that they ain't. They're the NFC's Titans. Right. And it was a mature and like resourceful game by the bank. Although I think they'll be a little concern. The average 3.8 yards per play on the day, they never got the ground game going. They couldn't buy an explosive play from Burrough. It was a strange, strange game, but they've learned how to win in any situation.

So got to have it Sunday. The Bucks didn't have to have it. They were going to be in first place no matter what, even if they lost. Who locked it? I locked it. And so did the West Brothers. Sweating it out a little bit early. Actually, wait, no, I should have played that once.

I forgot. Mark was thinking about changing his lock, but he stuck with the Niners. It was just great. Westbro's locked the commanders. Great. So, good. All right, let's move to another NFC South,

a matchup, a got-to-have-it game for the Falcons with their new quarterback, Desmond Ritter, and the Saints who just needed a win to get into the, well, not into the hunt. They don't do that for the division race, but in this division, nothing makes sense. And a Cincinnati, low snap, looks to throw, does throw, complete across the middle,

balls lose. Oh, no. The Saints have it. He was hit by Justin Evans. He was complete to Drake London, and Evans hit him. And if they say that that's not a complete, I'm jumping out of this box. You never know. By the way, they said it was complete.

So Mike Haas did not jump out of the box for WWL because Justin Evans stripped Drake, London. It was the defining play in a 21-18 win. for the Saints over the Falcons who did not get a boost, it doesn't appear so, from Desmond Ritter in his first start. So as bad as the Saints have been this year, they're 5 and 9 and still have a pulse in this division, and the Falcons drop to 5 and 9, and they've had many chances to try to stake their claim to this division,

but just another L. I hate to say after beating the drum for Desmond Ritter for so long that my biggest takeaway from this game is the Falcons would probably win if Marcus Marry. Oh, no. That is a day. emming indictment of any quarterback. I mean, just because Ritter played, you know, one of the bottom 10 games by a quarterback,

I would say, in the league this year. Maybe now we know why the head coach did not want to play him. And they still almost won. None of you seen this guy. I've seen them. I've always wondered about that because you would think Mariotto would have been taken out of the lineup before this, but it was like, you guys don't understand what's going on in practice.

Maybe Marioato is so mad I'm getting bent. I don't know. Ritter showed some things, certainly in college and in the preseason, but he was confused. He ended up 13 for 26. for 97 yards. And that was after tacking on a couple throws at the end. You just couldn't shoot straight.

Basically, any time they dropped back to pass felt like they were doing the Saints a huge favor. The Falcons were able to run the ball, including Redder, who had 6 for 38. They had 231 on the ground. Tyler Algier was out there looking like Peyton Hillis. We got to hear from this committee because this is Mark's guy.

It was Mark's guy. It's been six to eight weeks, right? It's funny you should say, because I did get a voicemail during. work today. Okay. Hello, my name is Ted Becker. I am calling from the

My Guy Committee. I am attempting to reach one Mark Steven Sessler about running back for the Atlanta Falcons. Tyler Al

Guy Guy or Tyler Algeier. Tyler Algeyer. Tyler Al I'm sorry, I've never I've never pronounced this name. Tyler Algeaer, Algear, is officially your guy. Hey! I'd also like to apologize.

It seems that this request was put in some time ago, and we've just been backed up. We've had a lot of absences lately. People coming into the office, giving everybody the flu. Just crazy. I myself have had it three times in the last two months, and quite frankly, I feel a tickle on the back of my throat already, so. Ted. Anyway, Tyler Algeyer is your guy now, Mr. Steven Sessler.

And feel free to use that title for that player in conversation, either in media or out of media, but not in print. That was not approved. I think you need to refile for that, unfortunately. There's a time limit on that. And there's a tickle in the back of my throat. Oh, God. Oh, there it comes.

What a victory for you. Worried for Ted. It is a victory. This is nice. I'm not expecting that. Again, this happens almost every episode. There's a point in every episode. It's like you need to watch the YouTube version of this show

or wherever you get this program. Because for the first 20 seconds of Ted Becker's call, Mark's face was as tight and angry as you can imagine. because he thought the Charlie Brown moment was coming, but no, Mark, you got your guy. Well, I, you know, I held out a long time. I was prepared to critique that corporate office for basically the guy in the phone,

Ted Schneebly or whatever his name was. Ted Becker and his entire presentation. But it's worked out well. Tyler Algier, 17 carries 139 yards, a touchdown 8.2 yards per carry. Everything was after contact. He was running over. He leads all rookies with rushing yards over.

expected. He is a special player, and he is my guy. We haven't mentioned the Saints yet. Yeah, the Saints are now one game back. You do think about that comeback the Bucks had on Monday Night Football and think how the Saints would be in first place sole possession, if not. Well, they look like a first place team.

No, they don't. They got a 14-0. This division stinks. It's so bad. They got a 14-0 quickly and then did what they could to almost blow it. If you're a Saints fan, though, I think you're at least happy. Joanne Johnson is one of the most improved players I've ever seen in my life was a wide receiver now a big year now a tight end of fantasy touchdowns

Rashid jahid every time he touches the ball it's a 60 plus yard touchdown and chris olivie another nice smooth game so at least they have some fun offensive pieces that's about it for this game all right did we cover all the teams of nFC south i don't think we've got one more next in fact i do want to say though this is the first time since the first ever game between saints and falcons that the saints now owe the all-time lead in this rivalry 54 to 53 What a day. You are the on the beat of this rivalry, if anyone ever has been. That is good to know.

Thank you, Greg. Yes, there is one more team in the division, another team, booting an opportunity to make a play and get to January relevance. It was the Carolina Panthers welcoming the Pittsburgh Steelers. Well, let's see what Mitch does. He does. He goes up over the top. Touchdown, Mitch Trubisky.

And for Mitch, his second of the year rushing. That's the way to go, Mitch Trubisky. Take that ball in your own. hands and then pound it in get it across that goal line that's a great job of leading the way that reminds me of a what was the character in the office the woman who eventually married Michael Scott she took over for Toby and HR and Holly Flacks yeah Holly and Holly thought someone had wrongly told her that Kevin Malone had intellectual disability and so she was being really nice to him every time but it

Kevin doesn't have any issues like that. And it just led to a little comic. Like a true Mr. F. Disconnect there. And that's the way it sounds like these announcers, like, great job, Mitch. I'm really proud of you there, buddy. Getting over that line.

But Mitch Trubisky, you know, he went into this game knowing full well that maybe a lot of people in his locker room didn't even want him on the field. Everybody is really into Mason Rudolph in Pittsburgh for whatever reason. And there was some heat about him playing in this game with Kenny Pickett out with the concussion. But Trubisky played, and he played pretty well for Mitch Trubisky,

including the reason I chose that play, specifically in the 2416 win for the Steelers over the Panthers, was that was the final play of a 21-yard, excuse me, 21-play, 91-yard touchdown drive by the Steelers to start the third quarter that chewed up about 12 minutes of the clock. you don't see too many of those and it kind of for a game that Pittsburgh really controlled

for most of the game this was the game it was most typified what we saw down in Charlotte where Carolina Panthers had some momentum and you thought they had a chance really to make a move

and find their way to first place in this bad division but the Steelers as they've been doing for the most part now for the last five or six weeks they're showing that they're a team that can play and they can win games and they might get

keep that 500 street going for Mike Tomlin. Their offense has improved bit by bit consistently for five or six weeks. And, you know, I think if you look at one of the major discredit to this team early on was the offensive line, and they've been better. And they're Pat Meyer, the offensive line coach is someone that like was on the hot seat, I think, heading into the season. And everyone's improved a little bit.

And I mean, it didn't fall off entirely with Trubiski. I have to ask you one little question on this game, though. I read that this is maybe one of my favorite things. I'm just going to read what I read. Steelers linebacker Marcus Allen just made an incomprehensible error getting called for unsportsman-like conduct for going into the Panthers' huddle

on their sideline while Carolina faced fourth and 27. What was this? I've never seen anything like it. It was a timeout was called before this play. And you just see him and he had the replay. He just wanders over to the far sideline and just inserts himself into the huddle of the Panthers and is talking,

And it's an automatic first down. They were going to punt. They scored a touchdown after that. And I was thinking, if the Steelers lose this game, that's like an all-time penalty. And they had another, I'm trying to think who the other one was on. They had another unsportsman-like conduct foul earlier in that game. And I was just thinking to myself, like, Mike Tomlin is going to be cracking some skulls if they end up losing this game. But they didn't.

And on the Panther side, Sam Donald, it was a very Darnold-esque performance. He's done well in terms of. protecting the football for the most part, although he did have a fumble in this game. But the offense was a little bit just stagnant in general. They struggle to score points here, and that's going to continue. You need the defense to be great, and they weren't great in this game. And part of the reason was Deonté Johnson absolutely killed the Carolina secondary in this game with so many big catches, including big throws down near the end and give Trivisky credit for that as well.

Well, he was the guy who said he wanted Mason Rudolph to play, Deonti Johnson. It's funny how it works out. 10 for 98. Yeah, and the Steelers had a 13-minute edge of time of possession. They converted 12 of 16 third-down opportunities, and that's when Deonté did a lot of his damage. So there you go. The Steelers continue to get better.

The Panthers are, you know, just the team in the NFC South, which means a deeply meet over. I just thought that was the coolest thing that's happened all season. Were you jealous that I had it? I mean, I still have access to watch it. He does have his 17 windows. In real time? In real time, I was burning with envy.

But I do watch all the games at the same time on this. Can we go just quickly big picture? Pittsburgh's 13th in the AFC at 6 and 8. So they're kind of in it. I mean, they're really not in it, but they're two back with three to play. So they're that much in it. If Indianapolis had won that game, we would have 14 AFC teams still alive. But there's so many of these 6 and 8 teams.

Jacksonville, who has a better chance because they're in, you know, division race. And then Las Vegas, Cleveland, Pittsburgh. Maybe one of those three teams goes total berserker and gets to nine wins and gives them a shot. That's a bad thing. Yeah. It's not good that five and eight teams are alive going into week 16. NFL wouldn't agree with that. I know they wouldn't.

But this is what they wanted, but I don't think it's, I don't know to sit around telling you it's a great thing. These teams, like, those four teams are a perfect example, but especially Jaguars, Raiders, Browns. I would throw the Steelers. Like they weren't as bad as their record before, and now it's all evened out. They all deserve to be. They're all like six and eight teams. Jaguars may be better. A shout out to Pittsburgh's defense, which sacks Sam Darnold four times and completely shut down the Carolina running game,

which had average close to 200 yards in their five wins, had 21 yards on 16 carries. So you know that I am a Darnold defender, but if you take away his running game and you say, Sam, you need to lead this offense. Sam, it ain't going to work. Let's take a break and we'll be right back. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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No buys. Pulling on, let's head to Soldier Field where the Eagles are looking to put the NFC in a vice grip. They line up and they sneak and there's a penalty flag. They call the touchdown. Now, it could have been defensive. That's what it is. Pinch me with his call. Mark, this is your hand-picked off.

He now has 13 on the season. You can always pivot. I don't know how we got to that point. That was Jalen Hertz's third rushing touchdown of the day, which, by the way, has not happened on QB design runs by any quarterback ever in the next-gen stats era. So I thought that would be an interesting call. It's a seven-year era.

They also, I'll get into why this was a little bit of a different game and why we had to go there. Let me set this up, yes. I did not think it was feeling, oh, there might have been a fly. Somebody jumped. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I mean, I agree with you.

That was milk toast. Jalen Hertz, yes, tied a career high by running for three touchdowns. The Eagles beat. The Bears 25 to 20. Interesting. Eagles are 13 and 1. That matches the best start in franchise history. But Mark Zessler, this was not easy as many of us anticipated.

It wasn't. And I would say that, you know, we say the Eagles keep finding different ways to win each week. This would be the case, again, because they had overcome a lot of their own issues. Jalen Hertz uncharacteristically through two. receptions. The Eagles were outplayed for a big chunk of the first half. Jake Elliott with the team up 17-13 missed a 38-yard field goal. They allowed Byron Pringle to essentially run in for a bomb. Did you got a text there, Graver?

You want to share it with us? I have the Do Not Disturb on. I don't know what's happening. It's just sometimes. Was that Yessica perhaps? It was. Well, can you let her know we're doing a very highly rated podcast? I will. She's watching, actually.

She's watching the live stream, which you can go to NFL.com. Do you realize what she just did to Mark? Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. She actually would love to know that she just did that to Mark. I'm not surprised at all. Although, Dan, you stopping Mark, you could argue that's doing it. And then Greg stopping Dan from stopping Mark from stopping Justin. So it's just like, I'm going to fold up the laptop and go home.

It's utterly exhausted. As the host, I'm sorry, Mark. I had to address it because the audience obviously was thrown for a loop there as well. And I just didn't want to leave them out in the cold. I was a delightful bell. We didn't need to delve into an episode. sound in the podcast version. Well, it would be very strange for you to take it out now.

Now you have to. All right, go ahead, Mark. Well, it's just a saying the Eagles, like they were not perfect like they've been the last couple of weeks. They didn't even give Miles Sandel. By the way, we got to wrap up this episode to him because Mark is starting to get fired up. Next show. Go to the next game.

What is the point of doing this? I'm just saying I'm starting to see the anger building and I know. I apologize. I will not interrupt. I find it tedious to take notes. on a game, and then none of them are given to the listener. I feel for the listener. I feel for the listener.

Yes. That's the ultimate loser here. They struggled, and they overcame their struggles. That's all I'll say about it at this point. Anyway, what else? Give us some more. Hassan Reddick, seems like their pass rush. AJ Brown, and this is not going to be favorable for Justin's ears,

a career high 181 yards. He was dominant. When they started to make plays, this was their bad game. It kind of reminded me the Chiefs game. Like the Chiefs had a bunch of issues. They got out of it. What were the Chiefs on the other side? Mostly what we think.

This was Philadelphia's version of. They still had 400 yards of offense. They still had a defense that had three players with two sacks that dominated the bears. Outside of Justin Fields doing a couple magical things. Fields got hurt at one point. It came back in. They've clinched the division. They basically have Dallas next week.

They can be the number one seat that they win that. This was a Philly's bad game. I don't know who's going to stop him in the NFC and left San Francisco plays one of their best operation. one of their best outings. And yet, it's like box office, Justin Fields in a game against, you know, Jalen Hertz, who's in the mix for MVP. I'm not saying Justin Fields should be in the mix for MVP in any way.

But think of how valuable he is to the Bears, that he, more or less by himself. Oh, you're being most valuable player guy. I like that. No, I'm saying, in this game, how much value does he now have that he runs 15 for 95? he's on his way to having the greatest season rushing the ball any quarterback in the history of the league's ever had. Someone say he's almost too valuable to this team. Like they might want to work on that. But the fact that he has them competing in this game is pretty special.

And at least it's exciting. In a weird way, the Bears keep stacking these losses while Justin Fields keeps bawling out is perfect because they're going to have the two or maybe the two or the three pick in a draft with Jalen Carter. Like they, you know. They also have about 47 million more. cap dollars than the next closest team the Falcons. Although I've been doing the free agency list,

like it's a bunch of players you don't want to be spending a lot of money. The point being they don't have a ton of cash tied up in a bunch of junk. Anything else in that reporter's journal mark? There's a ton more, but I think we need to, you know, we're being told it's time to hurry the show up and move to the next segment.

But we don't want to deprive the listeners. If there's something else in there. Well, I'll email it to the listeners. All right, let's then move back to Saturday. Why don't we? We're the Cleveland Browns. They were trying to stay in the in-the-hunt category, but they had to beat the AFC North leading Ravens to do it, could they?

Watson, five-step drop, looking left. He slings it, Left People's Jones. He's in, standing up touchdown. The touchdown pass from Deshawn Watson to Donovan People's Jones from three yards out. And Cleveland expands its lead. All right, so there was a historic opening game Saturday. There was a highly memorable game in the snow in Buffalo. So at the end of the night, in the middle was, you know, you don't usually have this.

The worst part of the sandwich was all the meat in the middle, which was the Ravens and the Browns. And the Browns take care of business against Ty Huntley with a Lamar Jackson inactive, a 13 to 3 win. That Donovan People Jones three-yard touchdown catch came from Deshaun Watson, who was making his home debut for Cleveland. So there you go. The Browns have won this game in Baltimore. entered, having won six of seven, now drop behind the bangles who are looking up in the AFC North. This would be like two beautiful, perfectly created and cooked,

heated, buttery pieces of sourdough bread with some stale mayonnaise in the middle. Out of date, meat at all. No, just mayonnaise out-of-date mayonnaise. To your parallel. You don't like meat, and this game lasted about two hours and 50 minutes. It was perfect for you. Right, but Greg, I don't like stale mayonnaise either.

just to throw that out you. But I'm just saying, get the meat out of there. I don't think I dislike this game as much as you guys did. It was serviceable. It happened quickly. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, I mean, it just was over so fast. There were so few possessions, nine each. The Ravens only punted one time.

You know how hard it is to score three points when you only punt once? Here, here's how you do it. Uh, you get inside the 10, call a play for your fullback who has like space and he can't get a half a yard on John Johnson, who outweighs by about 40 yards. Nice defensive play by John Johnson. You get inside the 10 another time. Denzel Ward picks off a pass.

Deshaun Jackson doesn't fight for, really. Not a great throw either. Zero points there inside the 10 twice. You get Justin Tucker to miss two field goals. What the heck happened there? That was weird. You throw a fumble and then the only touchdown that you give up, or you have a fumble,

and then the only touchdown you give up in the game was after you stopped the Browns on a three and out, but there was a penalty on a face mask by Justin Houston, it was just a really sloppy game from the Ravens, and the Browns, to their credit, been playing better defense overall and didn't make many big mistakes. The Browns hurt the Ravens in every possible way you could outside of a dominant offense.

I do think Deshawn Watson looked better. There were moments where you thought he looked a little more comfortable. Their offense is not what it was before, but even, you know, I think it was important for Nick Chubb to have a bit of a better game. He's had a tough couple weeks. But Cleveland's defense, which just really costs them this season, sometimes against these divisional opponents they show up and then they vanish again.

But the Ravens, they've had these close games with the Ravens and this was another one of them. And Miles Garrett, like, I don't know, every week he seems to be, I know he's not a defensive player of the year because their defense isn't special and what does that really even mean? But he is among still the top five defenders in the entire game right now.

They kind of play like a lot of weeks. They play like an 8 and 6 team, which they easily could have been if they just closed out a couple of those brutal losses they had earlier in the year. So there's certainly no pushover. And if Watson continues to get better, although these are baby steps to say he's getting better, you know, they're going to be trouble maybe as soon as next year. And they could be in berserker mode for the rest of the season. By the way, they have a pretty easy schedule.

I looked at the six and eight teams. They have the easiest schedule among them, all winnable games here. Well, remember, it was Nick Shook who forked the Browns. So that comes down. He needs to reach out to a local food bank in Cleveland if the Browns and probably make the playoffs. But you know what? I think he would sign off on that. This was a wonky game in terms of scheduling as well because you had the first game,

which was the classic with all the scoring and it went to overtime. So NFL Network held all these games. So they throw it to this game in the second quarter. So you miss the first quarter and then the game goes super quickly. And then all of a sudden, and props to Colleen and Steve Smith and MJD. And I don't want to leave the last person out. Who else was? Real Rob.

Real Rob. They all of a sudden had to fill like 45 minutes to an hour, I believe it was, and they did it expertly. So really a strange stale mayo. I think it has to be a meat product in between the sourdough, though, for the sandwich. Lamb's tongue. So this is the lamb's tongue of the sandwich. I would sign off on that. I was at a place at the base of a mountain called the Party Doll watching Colleen and MJD and the rest try to get through that.

And it was a very strange time. She was tough out there, no gloves on. It did have some... MJD and Steve were hurting, man. MTD was ready to go home. They were getting after Mike Robb, too. Ravens are going to be killing themselves, though. They ran...

Edwards went 7.9 yards per carry, and Dobbins went 9.6, and they managed to, like, not be that competitive in this game. It's a pretty costly loss. I liked a Real Rob's leather jacket that zipped up, like, indent left, and he kind of looked like a Zed's friend in the leather from a Pulp Fiction, the third act of Pulp Fiction. No, it was a very sharp...

Sharp outerwear. The game collection. Anyway, let's move on. We have one more game to hit. Back to Sunday. It was at Mile High Stadium, and this will be quick. They toss it left side. Here comes Marie, blocked her out in front of him.

Inside to five. Murray leaves the ball to the end zone. Touchdown, Denver. Nice stretch. Gets up and goes celebrating. He's around one of this year. Dave Logan with a call, K-O-A. Russell Wilson.

Cleared concussion protocol, but the decision was made. by Nathaniel Hacking and the Broncos to keep them on the bench after that, get a knocked out last week. So Brett Rippin steps in and gets some help from Latavius Murray.

And the defense plays well again, has been the case all season for the Broncos. That has never been the problem. And against the Cardinals' team without Kyler Murray, they get the win. 24 to 15. Murray, Greg, ran for 130 and a touchdown. He's looked good.

And Marlon Mack look better in this game. Like, keeping careers going here in Denver. It was sad game, though, because Colt McCoy went out with a concussion and considering his concussion problems over the years. It's concerning it was on a third and one, uh, QB sneak. At that point, the game was close. Trace McSorley came in and was overmatched against this Broncos defense. And it wasn't that close. It was interesting. I saw that there was not 18,000 plus no shows, empty seats. In Denver. In Denver. That's a, that's a, that's a deal that is a football crazy town that has always loved their broncos that tells you i mean the owner it's new ownership they're freaking out when they see all those empty seats yeah that's i mean i think it's a top

three football town of any NFL city and i have friends that i've seen season tickets there and i you know they've been unhappy obviously but to not show up because even when the team's bad and they had a lot of bad teams it's still a great party and so it's like it really a basically a very loud voice saying fix this now and I don't know what you go into next season with but Greg I mean not to belabor this conversation if Brett Rippian is going 21 for 26 is it just a little short dump off passes and screens what are we looking at here that's that's so much better than what Russell Wilson was he had some like wild not good throws but I don't know he had a couple darts in there too across the field well he's an NFL quarterback you know and the son of us either related to

an NFL champion I just mean there were some pretty nice throws in there I'm not going to say Brett Rippin was terrible. His father's name was Mark? Mark Rippian. But I wanted to make sure that it wasn't his, I don't make sure it wasn't his uncle or something. What was that, though? What was his last name?

Ripian, I say. Ripian. That's how I've always said it. I know. You always say it that way. There are things I say that... I think they say it Rippin for what it's worth. Well, then I should probably correct how I'm saying it.

The reason why it's not one of those last names where you hear it different ways. Right. I've only heard it from you, Ripian. It's R-Y-P-I-N, so I think even as a child a young football fan. I was hearing it. Exactly.

I understand. So if it was in your head back then, it's not going to be easy to get out. I'm not trying to stage a confrontation with the family over how they're pronounced it. Merry Christmas from the ripians. Exactly. All right. We've come to the end of the Yellow Brick Road Sunday night football from Landover. Giants commanders.

The winner, 70 something percent chance of making the playoffs. The loser, 30 something percent chance. of making the playoffs. Yeah, you could say it's a big game. Giant fans on their feet here in Washington trying to urge on this defense. Heineke in a shotgun set. Who was this?

He's back to throw. He's under pressure. He backs away from pressure. Still looking. Now, rolls left, grows into the end zone, and it's knocked away incomplete. Darnay Holmes knocked it away. Tibino had a monster game,

but Darnay Holmes makes the key play on Samuel and the giant fans. Joyce here at FedEx Field as they hold on on a fourth and goal at the 6 leading by 8 New York If you're hearing the

Tinseltown tune stars You know The Geman came out on top With some help from the officials Man the officials did not cover themselves in glory this weekend I'll tell you what Loud Owen, that was pass interference.

Anyway, the Giants get the big stop. Kavon-Tibito had our friend, our buddy, had the big sack fumble recovery touchdown earlier in the game that set the tone and Washington looked like they were going in for a score. In fact, they did go in for a score and were setting up for the two-point conversion to try to push the game to overtime, but no.

Another controversial call, and Terry McLaurin wipes away a TD and then, yes, that final play you just heard, 20 to 12 final Giants in control now for that playoff spot. And Mark Sessler, good job by the Giants. Again, this kind of harkened back to the earlier part of their season where they kind of find a way. Yeah, I mean, I'd point to Brian Daibald making what I thought was the call of the game.

There was that really incredible, and we've seen a couple of great drives today. This was an 18-play 97-yard drive that eight-up eight-plus minutes. And he went from fourth and nine from the commander's 35, and they converted, and went on to score a touchdown to go 14 to 3. I'd love that about Daibald. That's the one thing about this team all year long. Are they a talented team? Are they their record? No.

But Daibald has put them in position to do those types of things, where I flip it around to look at Riverboat Ron, who is not riding on a riverboat at the moment, who chose to at two points punt from the Giants' 34-yard line and also from the Giants 40-yard line. And these are two teams that look at similar situations in different ways. Everything you're saying, I agree with, but I can't get past the end of the game in the way that this was handled by the refs. Because Terry McCloran looks twice to the officials on the side to see if he's lined up properly. Because when the guy in the slot moves out, he now has to be at the line of scrimmage. He looks over twice to the official. And twice it appears he doesn't get any signal to say, no, you're not there. I would love to hear what they're saying after the game about that.

And then a clear and obvious P.I also goes against Washington here. And yet, Greg, I guess the way to look at it is, yes, they kind of got job there. But there was some fumble luck and interception luck dropped interception by Taylor Hineke on a fumbled snap. So it was a bit of a sloppy end in general. But, God, what people are going to be talking about is the officiating, which is stinks. Right. A game like this. It was fitting for these two teams that it came down to the end like that.

and it was a little ugly at the end because Washington could not finish drives throughout the night. Did they score a touchdown? They score one touchdown in the game, and they got inside the 10 a few times there at the end. But the pass interference was so beyond blatant. It wasn't just at the catch point where he has his hands all over him

and is restricting Dotson Dotson, who made a great catch earlier in that drive to set up the game ending sequence. he also grabbed Dotson's arm earlier in the route to the point where Dotson had to like move up his sleeves during the play. I've never seen that before. Like, do you need to have your sleeves back in place during the play? But that's how much contact there was.

And it is a disappointing end to the game. But I don't think it should take away from that Sequin Barclay performance either in terms of him breaking tackles in that last drive. That felt like kind of a great Saquan Barkley moment in a season where he had been struggling over the last month. I mean, is there not a better argument for reviewing pass interference? Maybe you review pass interference in the red zone. We've been through this.

I know, we could be through it, but if the answer is we don't, and you get this tonight. Because, Dan, I agree. You asked me to, like, there's no bigger play in this game than that, and that's going to be the talking point, and no other play kind of matters. But the thing is, there were a lot of other plays that mattered in this game. When it comes down to that, if that can't be reviewed, the McLaurin thing is actually more mystifying to me. Well, here's the thing, and Collinsworth said it, and Collinsworth, obviously, he's been doing this a million years and he played the game.

And he makes the comment that the officials do not want to make a call in that point of the game. And I agree with that when it's tiki-tack. When it's just hand-fighting, yes, you let the game get settled. But when it crosses that line where it's very clear what's happening, you just can't miss that call. And I just think after, especially the way this weekend started with the Vikings and there were some just terrible officiating. game as well, to have another island game at the end of a otherwise great weekend of football, it's crazy. That's just the way it played out. But, you know, Washington, it feels like if they look back on this season and it's outside the playoffs, it wasn't just those calls.

It was the previous possession where they're going towards the end zone again and Heineke gets knocked down and loses the ball and they review it and it's a fumble. Another huge turnover in this game. And I think for Washington, all the momentum they had coming off the buy with the Giants in a lot of trouble to let this game get away at home, that hurts. Yeah. And there's, there are little other things. Like they were, it was 14 to 9 and why? Because Washington converted a two point conversion. There's an OPI. So it's taken away. They line up Joey Sly for the P.A.T. And he misses it. I mean, just little points and plays left on the board here for Washington because they are a sloppy team so are the Giants in many ways and it's like all right

that you could play this thing 12 times and they probably would each win at six I don't see a huge difference between these two it's crazy this is a case for having a week off arrest is like overrated because they tied the Giants dad the week off while the Giants are getting blasted come back and then lose got to give the Giants defense credit for playing with a lot of energy I know the stats ended up being in Washington's favor but especially early in the game. Tibido was all over the place. He gets seven. We said, I think going into it, they're going to need some Heineke mistakes in this game. And Heineke threw the ball well, but he lost two fumbles. He fumbled twice against the Giants in the first game against them as well. And those two fumbles,

and Tibito scoring seven and getting a few other tackles for loss. Also, 12 total tackles. Like, he's in coverage on one of the biggest plays in the game. I'm not sure about that. But it's like, he was all over the place. Oja Lari had a big play at the end, too. like their defense played with energy. That was on that third and six where he's dragging Heineke down to the ground and Heineke throws the short incompletion which led to the fourth down play.

The Giants probably just need to win one more game. They're at eight wins. If you get to nine in less Detroit or Seattle wins all three, Giants are probably in. And according to ESPN analytics, the Giants now have a 90% chance of reaching the playoffs in Washington is down to 36.

So just a massive swing in that game. I have our friend, Mark, Kavon Tibido, he did that thing on the field where you take your camera and you do the selfie video and you're very amped up. I'm going to play it for everyone right now. You see, I only got one eye and you see my hair crazy, but that's December football. It's below two degrees and we came to play and we came to finish, man. Go big blue. I wish we had that guy in the studio back in June, Mark. He got poked in the eye at the end of the game, Tibido.

But this is why they made him a top five pick in the draft to have this type of impact game. primetime that was his coming out party big game yeah i think if we could have um you know seen the future and told him how the last couple the last month or so would go for him and share that news with him that interview might have gone a little bit better but uh i would say this he is has been a successful pick for the giants so far last like four or five six weeks he is making plays every single time they finally have someone i i now the giants are in a much better position and yeah i'm just going to be real with the listeners i don't want to watch either of these teams in the playoffs. I'm rooting for a scenario where

they both fall out. I don't know if that's possible. The Packers even could get in there or Seattle and Detroit. What do you do with the Packers? I'm just saying two of those three teams. I've seen enough NFC football. Washington has San Francisco. Outside the Eagles and Calvian. San Francisco, Cleveland, and Dallas. So Washington

is no easy slate for Washington. The first round of the NFC playoffs isn't going to be so hot because you're going to have an NFC South team and one of these types of teams. Ford is Worth. NBC's Terry McCauley who's their referee guy said it was definite DPI on Giants in end zone, and he wouldn't have thrown the flag

for commander's wide receiver lining up off the line. But how do you see the problem? So they botched both. Right. I got to say, Macaulay, I could be wrong here, but is Amir, does it seem like some of the other officiating analysts sometimes protect the officials?

I think Macaulay comes for the heads. Yeah, that's why McCauley goes after him. He gets bricks through his window with the paper with the rubber band, like stop now, Terry. But he won't. He won't stop. He can't because he's a beacon of truth. You can't stop a man named Terry.

Can't stop it, Terry. Okay. Who? Oh, it was the... Westbro's locked the commanders. Oh, did they? Well, they called the Giants Fraud. Why do I not remember that?

We tape too many shows. Yeah, really. Okay. All right. Good stuff. Good app. Not keeping up this week, Nick. I don't know.

Ouch, why you got to do that? You don't need it. Nick, hang up. there buddy keep fighting we'll be back on monday night football uh recap greg rosenthal and bill barnwell coming back oh billy b to talk to talk rams and packers from lambo field and uh then we'll be back tuesday and then we go through the whole thing again the wheel the wheel in the sky keeps on turning steve purd all right folks thanks for sticking around Heath the call.

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