NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2023 First Round Draft Recap!

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal, fresh off a 4-hour livestream, break down the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft, covering the biggest storylines and surprises from Night One (2:11). We finish by running through the best available players heading into Day Two (1:12:37). Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Around the NFL podcast has too many red flags to be a first round pitch. From the Chris Wessling podcast studio, it's Around the NFL. 2003 NFL draft. Round one edition. I'm Dan Hansis. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. It is coming up on 10 o'clock Pacific time as we record this. Just finished a nearly four-hour live stream.

Shot up to the Chris Wessling Podcast Studio Boys. And now we're going to go through it all, round one. And all the excitement and surprises in that, in there. During that, during those the picks. The 31 picks. We're a little... Nailed it. We're a little loopy, potentially, but I would say...

They're in. That's what I was looking for. They're in. We've never put out anywhere close to this amount of content on day one of the draft, and I had a great time with you guys. It was a lot of fun. People can still... If you're a true diehard, and if you're listening to this, you may or may not be. It's up on our YouTube channel, the Around the NFL podcast YouTube channel.

It'll be there forever, so you can see us lose our mind in the heat, and you can see us react as history was being made Anthony Richardson going to the CX. But more importantly, us doing a live stream together and Yessica being featured prominently. Yeah. Well, anytime you could do a live stream where you have Yessica featured prominently, you have a huge personal announcement, which go check out the stream. I won't even tell you. We got a lot of football.

We got a lot to talk about what it was. Right. And during that stream, you could turn the temperature up in the room. room to about 120 degrees and watch us melt in real time. I mean, that alone. Who said this podcast doesn't have sex appeal? Exactly. So check out the stream.

We were happy. It was an experiment that we're happy with. And now we turn our attention to round one. And it was the big storylines, boys. Bryce Young, not a big story, although it is the big pick, number one overall. The number two pick. and we have sandwich props. We'll get to that on Saturday.

But all the talk about the Houston Texans moving out of that spot, maybe not taking a quarterback. Why don't we start there? Let's start with some quarterback talk going right through what the Colts then did at four. But let's start, Mark, with C.J. Stroud going to the Texans, the two. How surprised were you that that happened? I was because I felt like there was this sort of impact,

critical mass impact of like the Texans are going to go somewhere else with that number two pick, and there wasn't a lot linking them to C.J. Stroud. You know, CJ Stratt, I think, took a lot of damaging PR over the last couple of weeks, and he... For what, too? It's stupid. Now it's when you look back at it. I think, I think it's differently, it's different compared to what teams maybe think about these players, but for all of us, it was this S2 test and everything else about them. The Texans instead went and got their quarterback, and I mean, just watching CJ Stroud's tape, I love the way he throws the football. I think it's, it's, it's, it's, changes everything for the Texans, Sue.

Had they gone down the road with Davis Mills as their quarterback next season, it's like you didn't complete the test. Like, good job by Jeremiah sticking with Stroud on his mock, and I think he even had the trade for Anderson, right, which is crazy. Because it made too much sense. And that's what I, when I say for what, I mean, all this honking for what? I give the Texans credit. I think what happened was there was a draft information vacuum.

And just people just started filling in the vacuum of things that, they were hearing and it was all probably nonsense and it's interesting and i do think we should we should talk young a little bit because we haven't talked specifically that that that combination but you're right the draft felt like it started at too and it's interesting to think of all the s2 talk dan because the offense that the texans are going to run bobby sloic who they brought over from san francisco the one thing that kyle shanan wants more than anything is just processing it's why he always wants these guys like kirk cousins and brought Rock Purdy that are kind of just like, I can answer the test, one to two to three.

So what if I don't make, like, huge game-breaking plays and improvise on my own? And the S2 test, in theory, was supposed to be testing processing. So they didn't care about that. They cared about the tape. And what they saw on tape was a guy who was extremely accurate, who takes coaching really well. And maybe he's not as exciting athletically as Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson. but he feels like a quarterback where his floor or where I see him as is like a Derrick Carr, Kirk Cousins type of quarterback at worst.

And I think he's an even more talented thrower and he has a higher upside. So it's just interesting. They didn't care about the S2 test whatsoever. That's the quarterback they chose. They didn't care, but like Brock Purdy, for instance, like led everyone in the S2 test a year ago. And we saw what happened to him on the field. It is a case study to me, though. and I know these late-season meaningless games

that win over the cults allowed Carolina after their trade to go decide which quarterback they wanted and the Texans are, they took CJ Stroud but would they have it number one? I don't think so. Who knows? We don't know. CJ Stroud could turn into a superstar

and Bryce down can't play or can't stay in the field. So it's so early. And just like the Panthers are saying, we don't care about the S2 test. Well, if he's a terrible pro and part of the problem is the mental game is what he struggles with, Then we'll see. Right now, this is why the draft is so fun and such a great fan event is because it's hope season, it's optimism.

It's the idea that all these guys are going to hit. And, you know, I have to say, like, when you see going back to Bryce Young is the number one overall pick. And the same thing happened with the Jets. When Bryce Young, when the trade goes down weeks ago, and it's like, oh, man, the Panthers got fleeced. I can't believe they gave up so much. Well, what do you think about the trade now? When you see this team as excited as it is, as this guy comes out on the stage and hugs rog

and they hold up the jersey and you know the Panthers feel like they are now moving forward again. Same thing with Rogers and did the Jets give up too much. Well, go check out that building and the energy at Flore and Park as he, as Rogers was introduced. It doesn't hurt as much. So I really do, I think that both of these teams are loving the fresh start. Would the, would, in a different world,

Should the Texans be drafting number one? Sure, but I think they have to process that if they haven't already. I think they probably have us as football fans. We haven't maybe because it was so wild how that played out. Well, even weeks ago, they were desperately trying to draft Bryce Young. So that is why you can at least question the process. In the end, it might work out better that they have Stroud and we'll get to Will Anderson.

But the reporting that came out on Thursday from Jay Glazer specifically about how close the Texans were to making that deal happen and they got a little indecisive at the end that initially Carolina thought that they were going to trade up with Chicago at two. Chicago thought they were going to trade down from one to two. Presumably the Texans were ready to take Bryce Young and then Carolina was going to move up from nine to two. Who knows who they would have taken at two? We've heard some scottled but it would have been Anthony Richardson actually at two.

But Texans get a little indecisive and they must have at. some point decided it's okay we love stroud this much anyways and maybe we can now use some of the picks that we didn't end up making in that trade of the number 12 pick use that as a resource to get all the way back up to number three and and we'll see which works out but it's just a reminder not to trust all these draft reports coming up into young turns into a super duper star yes it hurt giving up DJ more but if that's what ended up getting them over the hump to get that pick and make this happen, it will be looked at as one of the great decisions in franchise history. Yeah, I mean, it's not a, you know, Peyton Manning Ryan Leaf scenario.

It's just that I just think if you, first of all, the Texans to turn around and get Will Anderson the way they did at number three makes the night extremely successful because that's who I thought they were going to go get and then be without a quarterback or have to get one down at 12. They were very savvy in the way they pulled off this night. And it's kind of a rarity. I mean, I don't think of the Texans that way and haven't for the past couple of years because, They've been lost in their own wilderness. They've been not even a competitive organization for two years. And now they have something where it's like, look, they think they're going to compete this year. I think they should.

And Will Anderson was a great pick. I do just before we wrap on Young, because we haven't hit it too much. I think he's entering a better situation than most number one picks. Partly because they weren't that bad a team last year. They have a really good defense, I think. And they have a good coach in Frank Reich, who I think is perfect for a young quarterback. And they have a good offensive line. They don't have great weapons around them.

And that's like the next thing. And they'll, I'm sure, add in the draft and they had to give up some picks. So it's not perfect, but compared to most number one overall picks, like I think he's entering a nice situation. And our favorite Panthers fan in the building, David Ely, did release a statement upon this draft pick, quote, we love.

For people that don't know David Ely, you remember, David Lee was the number one cam stand. He's a guy that he grew up in North Carolina. He famously had a bottle of champagne that he was going to drink with his, I believe his then-girlfriend after a Super Bowl 50 win over the Broncos. It's close enough to the story. Well, I mean, he brought it to work.

He ended up drinking the bottle alone in a hot tub. The girlfriend was out of the picture as well by that point. I think she had been out of the picture for about half a decade. I mean, I don't think that... But he was still thinking about it. Sure. Like, mentally, she was still in the picture. Anyway, the statement from Dave.

Quote, we love our short King QB. Keep pounding. So short and simple, David, like myself, not a large man. Yeah, we're looking to Bryce Young to really represent the short guys out there. Although he's really not that short. I mean, he's 5, 10 and a half. For NFL players, he's short. And we had David Carr on our live stream.

And I asked him about, like, the Bryce Young Heights. situation, just another quarterback, what he would think. And he thought it came out really strongly saying in today's NFL, not concerned about it, that it's, there's some misconceptions about what it would actually hold him back from doing. I hear that a lot, and it's all good. Stay positive. 510-204 is his listed weight. He's got to be able to take a pounding.

He's really like 190. That's the bigger concern. But he did take a pounding last year. It's a fair point to make that he got hit a lot in the SEC and it was okay. Keep pounding. Ha. It's well done. Great digger.

One last. I didn't hear anything, actually. Oh, no? Now you have to do it and do the bit again. And that's it. Keep pounding. There we go. Magical.

Wow, we got the same crew here for the show. Everyone's a little loopy. Everyone's doing double duty back there. Kendall's here. Eric's here. It's all happening. We've all lost roughly, individually six to seven pounds each because it was roughly the duplicate

temperatures of Iraq in the studio that we were just doing this. It was a live stream but also a fat farm and it was really enjoyable to shake some of the weight. Can I just read the terms that they gave up for Will Anderson? Because it is worth noting that they traded a first round pick next year. Now I lost it here. A first and a third next year. So they gave up an incredible amount. They gave up the 12th pick, you know, so they gave up the 30 third pick.

the Cardinals ended up moving back up from the 12 and then a first and a third rounder in 2024. So they really gave up a quarterback type of haul. Like even though it was from 12 to 3 and they didn't take a quarterback, they basically paid for a quarterback. They paid a lot for Will Anderson. It's just worth pointing out.

A first and a third next year. But they got, I think in another world, you get one guy to build a round. I know they had that 12th pick too, but in theory it was going to be quarterback or Will Anderson. They got both. and you kind of did two years draft work in one if they both work out?

The Texans defense was not good last year, at least statistically. 27th and points allowed. 30th in total defense. One of the worst run defenses ever statistically allowed the six most rushing yards for a single season. So this is an area of need.

Yep. Anderson, great run stopper. Very tough. I'm glad he ended up going ahead of Tyree Wilson, although I did lose sandwiches on that, So I'm not that glad. But he just made more sense as a guy that was outrageously productive, and it would have been maybe outsmarting yourself to take someone else ahead of him.

And so he's also the type of guy. It kind of reminds me of when the Raiders took Cleveland Furrell, and that was a terrible pick, and people were like, what is happening? But the whole thing was like, well, this is a guy who the way he is as a human, like that's who we want to represent us. And that was Mayak's first pick, whereas now it's the Dimeco Ryan's era. Everyone says this about Will Anderson that he's like the best leader

If you want to be one type of person But oh by the way He's also like the most productive pass wrestler Of the last five years Well just as a side note An asterix here This also essentially sealed my Mock draft victory over our producer

Oh snap Grave digger in the grave It's not a I'm not trying to slinging air You're smashing on him Not trying to drop a bum on you But it was A strange turn of events He's got some like post-mortem

like rigor mortis happening. Yeah. And you're just throwing the dirt on him. So it's over, maybe. It wasn't a thing of beauty. I think you got six picks right and he got five. Is that correct? Something like that.

Or we both got five, but he nailed the correct spot. We had a scoring system. Excepted about 20 minutes into it. It looked like we were both totally on fire. And then it went about as cold case as possible. The final score was 13, 12. And I believe it was 1312 at about pick 15 or 16. And then it just held.

It turned into a real... Project Jones was the last correct pick. It turned into a real defensive struggle down the stretch. But, Mark, congratulations on getting back your mock crown. Thank you. And we'll have a decisive third match next year, barring... What up, Biatch, Earth-based disaster.

Let's move to the fourth pick, and let's stick with a big... You know, I was kind of relieved. I've got to be honest with you about Anthony Richardson coming off the board early because you know how it is. And, Greg, you were among the chorus, but it's not a personal slight... certain players like football Twitter get so like excited that I could I could feel like the anger

if Anthony Richardson would have slid people would have been furious because so many people had fallen in love with Richardson during this process so when he went to the Colts at four I was like okay I don't have to deal with those takes it was a surprise at least I mean it was to me I really thought he wasn't going to get past five with Seattle and maybe not six with Detroit, and there was some whispers that that was the case. There was a strong feeling he was going to go high, but maybe it was the Colts all along.

I give them credit for not giving that away in any way. A couple hours before the draft, Will Levis, who did not get drafted on Thursday, we'll have to wait until Friday. Rough, he was in the room, too, the draft room. Biggest surprise, I would say, of the night

overall, was minus 400. In betting Parlands, he was four times more likely to go number four overall than not. And yet he didn't even get taken in the first round. So for some reason, he was this heavy favorite to go there. There was all this chatter all along that it was Levison Colts, Levison Colts and Levison Colts. And this might have been a smokescreen that was intentional from the Colts to try to prevent

anyone from trading ahead of them where Arizona was at 3 and maybe taking Richardson. Because apparently Richardson was their guy all along. And I think it's a great fit with Shane Steichen and after what he did with. Jalen Hertz. Yeah, I mean, I just think about where we were with Jalen Hertz a couple years ago, and now he's MVP-level talent and the face of the Eagles franchise. It's like, I kind of love the coach player match with Stuyken to develop some of this with Anthony Richardson, you know, limited college experience. I love what Bucky Brooks said, that this is basically sort of like an NBA draft pick where you're not necessarily taking the most polished

example from a college player. You're taking potential traits. And he brings all the of that. And he feels like the future of the position to me. And I think it's an incredibly exciting pick for a Colts team that has really flatlined with boring, awful, unwatchable quarterback play for years on end. Let me go through it since Andrew Luck's surprise retirement in 2019. Jake Brisket, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan. So obviously this is a big turn. Now that for the first time they are investing in a young quarterback coming out of college. It's crazy. Throw foals in there. That is like the least that way. group of quarterback you could come up with since luck and so Richardson is a total swing in the other

direction and there are you know there were we talked about it leading in there are some concerns about whether he's polished enough to to attack the game in a successful manner with a short game but listen we'll see it's worth I think it's worth I think we all graded it in real time on the stream as a great move and if the Colts if he does develop the way they hope it there's a good chance this looks this is one of those things like oh he went forth but he was the best player in the draft yeah and he's an immediate headache to defensive coordinators I mean it's like there aren't a lot of comps of a quarterback like this and how teams are not to stop him and it's like you talk about this like he's going to take take so long to develop he's going to start right away well he's

only started he only started 13 games at flor right and so you can look at that two ways like he's inexperienced no doubt but I think there's a way to look at that and think like he actually kind of needs to play and I think playing will help him I mean he was a red shirt he was a sophomore red shirt sophomore and so he's he's a couple years younger than like will levis for instance and I think he's got to learn by playing and when you have that running ability that gives you like a baseline where I think you can have an offense that's capable enough as he gets I like that and Shane Steichen of course helped turn jalen Hertz into a superstar in philly and yet I've seen it happen, Zach Wilson.

Sometimes a raw prospect gets thrown out on the field and then when it's not going well, you're like, man, they maybe should have given this kid a little time to learn on the sidelines or he's 20 years old. He started 13 games and he had a completion percentage south of 55% in college. So there's, is he going to be able to be starting against NFL defenses in September? Right. I mean, if he can, he is an exciting player. doubt. But it's a big

ask for a kid that has not a lot of experience. You know what though? Like the same way you talked about Rogers and Bryce Young, it's like when we pick our games for week one, like I'm zooming towards the cults if I have the chance because it's like they're a must watch team and they have not felt that way about them for a long time.

It was a bold move and I love that. Right. He's got a couple receivers, Pearson Pittman. He's got a good offensive coach. Jim Bob Cooter is back in the building. The offensive line is okay. It's not good, but it's not terrible. Yeah, him and Minchu. You have Minchu there if you really don't want to start them right away, but it's the pocket presence for me. I mean, we'll talk about it. Plenty

in the coming days, but I love it. And I love that it kept me from feeling mixed things about Seattle and Anthony Richardson, because I really think they would have taken him. I think it would have been a smart move, because I do think you can compare him to two guys, Cam Newton and Josh Allen. We'll see if he gets there. I think he has better pocket presence than either one of him he certainly has a lot to learn though too in terms of you actually said on the live stream that you if they picked will levis in that spot the see which seems insane now because uh he didn't ended up going in the first round uh you were never going to support the seahawks ever i was going to renounce my seahawks fandom if they took levis that would have shaken the building in seattle

richardson felt okay if it was going to be levis and you're ruining my genot time i would be unhappy instead they just improve the team around every time they um yeah we're going to get to that every time they Cut to Levis in the green room. Greg did the Nelson from the Simpsons laugh. That's not true. I was like, bro, he's a human. He's a kid. What did I say?

On our little preview show, I said, I think Levis is a good prospect. He's kind of like an early second round type of, like, has a chance to be a pretty good starter prospect. That was it. You said he was like Ryan Tannahill. I said he was like a Ryan Tannehill type of guy. He's had a, I don't know. He did do that laugh, though, Dan. He did the laugh.

Yeah, I know. Every time we cut to them. That's two. That's two people that said it happened. It's not true. The Seattle Seahawks, they had that pick from Denver. It's not true. They took Ten with a spoon.

Cornerback out of Illinois. I'm going to do three here, and then we can just talk it over, and then we're going to take a break and keep rolling. The Arizona Cardinals from Detroit via the Rams. It gets a little complicated sometimes with the drafting or the trading. Paris Johnson Jr., the first tackle comes off. the board to the Cardinals and then the Raiders a team that needs defensive help take Tyree Wilson defensive end out of Texas Tech go ahead boys have at it I love Tyree Wilson to the Raiders I mean they

to pair him with Max Crosby if he works out you've got a genuine like tornado there on the front of your defense genuine tornado I mean and part of the reason is that comp they know Chandler Jones is not long for Las Vegas if it wasn't for the guaranteed money his contract he probably he wouldn't be on the team this year. He'll be there for one more year. So I think you have Jones, Tyree Wilson. To me, Tyree Wilson is maybe the biggest boomer bust pick of the draft. Paris Johnson might be the other one.

Just because they were both taken so high, they're both traits guys. Those two positions get pushed up in the draft. We've seen a lot of edge players and tackles get overdrafted. And I know that's like the analytical thinking, take edge players, take tackles. But you also have to get it. Right. And, like, you want, I know you don't want to go for singles and doubles, but these two guys, Johnson and Wilson especially,

feel like they're going for home runs, whereas Seattle went with a guy in Devin Witherspoon who felt like the clear best cornerback in this draft, very physical, just kind of a classic, like, got that dog in him. A little surprising Seattle took him because they haven't taken cornerbacks at eye, but you figure Pete Carroll will know what to do with him. And I think a player that Seahawks fans are really good. Well, they hit on Tarek Woolen.

in the draft last year as a late round pick and now they go and make a lottery selection. That's a great cornerback. Tandem, who knows? Physical. I mean, that is a physical duo right there. If Jamal Adams can come back healthy, as another physical player in their secondary

and I'm not saying it's Legion of Boone, but it could be a really good back end. And I'll always wonder with the Seattle Seahawks here if, and it kind of speaks to Gino, like, we talked about in the old days the Gino coaster and how we would just be up and down, up and down. that's been a great I guess down is good for a roller coaster

so it's kind of a confusing thing but Gino it's just been a long down like celebration arms up even here because who knows the way Seattle's GM if Schneider and Carol had Richardson available

do they take him and how does that change their trajectory instead they take defense and then we'll get to it later they go get help for Gino so Gino's one of the big winners as we talk about winners of losers If you have Anthony Richardson behind Gino, the problem is that about 14 minutes into week one, Seahawks fans are going to be wondering and clamoring for the concept of seeing Anthony Richardson replace any ups or downs that Gino had. Gino really signed what amounted to a one-year contract, very similar to what Derek Carr signed a year ago, a little different in terms of money, but very similar in terms of structure, where it's like one year, if it goes well, it'll keep going.

If it doesn't go well, we'll take a little bit of pain and we'll say goodbye. I don't think that's going to happen, especially after this night. Yeah, we'll get to it, I guess. But I'm ready to crown the Seahawks, 2023 NFC West Champions. Let's go. Dan, are you enthused about another campaign, Gino-filled campaign along with our friend Greg here? I mean, the Gino thing is kind of whatever for me, but the Seahawks fandom, it seems like it's going to be coming on stronger than ever. Yeah, you can feel it.

Just seems like a lot. All right, let's take a break, and then we'll keep rolling. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that?

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And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team-building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just

love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full. picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We're back. All right. We're seven picks in. Let's keep rolling here. So the first running back is off the board. In fact, why don't we bookend this? Eight, nine, ten, 11, 12. I'm not even going to get to the middle, but I just want to say at number eight overall, The Atlanta Falcons take Bijon Robinson, the running back out of Texas, and then the Detroit Lions from the Arizona Cardinals via Houston through Cleveland.

That's how that. That's a journey. That's a lot. They take Jamar Gibbs, the running back out of Alabama. So we have two running backs that come off the board in the top 12. Let's start, though, with the Falcons Mark Sessler, a team that is, you know, in a very important year. for the organization, year three under Arthur Smith.

They add a dynamic running back. However, there's a year guy in the mix that's probably like, bruh, what else did I need to show you as a rookie? And now you brought in this kid. Tyler Alger cannot be thrilled. Tyler Alge here, Algear is officially your guy. Kind of like the phone in the background.

I'm not backing off him as my guy because I think that Arthur Smith, this is something another team wouldn't have done because you had value at the position already. I think Bejohn Robinson is just an absolutely beautiful fit for the Falcons. They punished people on the ground a year ago. This is very much Arthur Smith saying, we're not going to veer away from that approach.

You're in a way, because I think there's still the concept that if the Titans ever took Well, Levis, later on in this draft, probably won't happen, but that someone like Tanna Hill would become available and go to the Falcons. You've essentially built Titans 2.0. And I think Arthur Smith's like, I'm going to continue to do what worked in Tennessee. And you know what? Because I know a lot of people are like, what's the deal with Desmond Ritter?

How are we? Where's all this trust in him? But this takes so much heat off a quarterback if you can dominate on the ground the way they did towards the end of last season. Like the argument against it is they already had a great running game. So how much better can you get? You know, you have Cordore Latterl Patterson there, by the way, too. Like he's still around. You have a good runoff game.

What if he's Laddani and Tomlin's on? That's what I was about to say. He is Ledani and Tomlinson to me as a prospect. That's who he reminds me of. I've seen the edge comparison too. But to me, Bejohn Robinson is just so smooth. Part of the value of him is I don't think you ever have to take him off the field. He's just a hoss.

And he's so good on third downs. His hands are so good. He can run routes. He can make you miss. He's a power back. And when I'm talking about like Paris Johnson, who got taken sixth overall, the tackle, who I think most people probably wouldn't have had him in as a top 15, 20 most talented player,

but he plays a position that pushes you up. Like, if Bejohn Robinson is a four-time pro bowler, not even LaDadian Thomas, but a four-time pro bowler, that's a good pick. I don't care that he plays running back. And I just feel more confident in him than almost any player in this draft, and it makes me more excited to watch the Falcons.

So that alone makes it a good pick. I've been pushing this falcons thing for a couple years, Dan. We might finally get our way here. They have a nice little roster here, the quarterback and the receivers. Wrong for two years, and now maybe this makes more sense. They've been getting a little better. They've been getting a little better.

All right. I believe in Arthur Smith. I think Bejan Robinson has to be the best running back in football or be in that conversation after this season for this to be the right move, in my opinion. Although. But like who else? Who else do you going to take? You could have, listen, this is, this team's not a finished product.

I think you could have looked in other. positional groups that had a bigger need because I'm just saying if Algeir and Patterson are already there could they use another pass rusher could they use somebody in their secondary could they use a weapon as a wide receiver another weapon on offense like they felt it was too rich for Smith and maybe he is ladenian tollinson I'm not saying you can't come back to me in October and be like hey you said Bijin Robinson wasn't going to be good he could be but it's to me he almost has to be that special for this to make sense if he's just like a four-time pro bowler and they move on after half a decade.

That's the thing that surprised me. Well, what is Derek Henry? Or the equivalent of production. That's like a Hall of Famer to me. Yeah, I think that's what they're seeing him at. I could see that. I also think he can and should be the number one overall pick and fantasy drafts like as a rookie.

I don't know if that's ever happened before. But to me. Do you not worry about the timeshare there? No. So. Well, I know they did that last year, but still no. Do you move on from like ship Tyler Algear or Corridor Patterson somewhere else? It was a fifth round pick last year.

It was a great, great backup. You give them 75 to 100 touches, like backups of your. Sorry. But, you know, I thought it was really interesting now to tie it back to Jemir Gibbs, the running back at Alabama, who went to the Lions, how you had two running backs go in the top 12. And in both situations, they were, they're going to teams that A. didn't make the playoffs last year, which kind of flies in the face of the Jeremiah theory

that I like, like, like if you're going to draft the running. back, be a loaded team, a playoff team looking to finish off your offense. And B, both teams had pretty good running back rooms. So I don't hate either fit. I was just surprised that these were the teams that grabbed these two. Very

exciting unprospects. Well, the Lions went out and got David Montgomery, too. I mean, I feel like that is a backfield where we could see someone on the way out at some point. DeAndre Swift seems to be maybe a little bit out of favor. That one was kind of shocking to me. Now, I think the Lions

did a good job. They traded their first and a third with the Cardinals for the Cardinals first and second. So the Lions have the, what, the fourth pick on Friday night. They have the 34th overall pick, and they got that by moving down six spots from six to 12. Gibbs is a really exciting looking player, great receiver. He compares himself to Jamal Charles. Stylistically, he could maybe see that, but he seems dynamic. as a receiver but it makes it makes weird no sense to me that they gave david montgomery all that money like why are you spending that if you're gonna maybe there is another shoe that drops here well yeah swift has got to be gone right now dandre swift is your third running back it doesn't make

sense um jaylon carter if i guess it's a fall he he goes at nine to the eagles who uh had 70 sacks last year but we're very busy bulking up their uh front seven still um the bear is followed by taking Darnel Wright, a tackle out of Tennessee. And then Gravedigger's Tennessee Titans take Peter Skoransky, the lineman at Northwestern, could be a guard, could be a tackle. Let's start there with that trio. Grave digger, I know you were happy with this pick.

Skronsky was on many mock drafts, like the guy that was coming off the board first at the tackle spot or the line spot. And yet that's not the case, and you ended up getting him. Yeah, I was pretty excited about this. I wanted the Titans stay a quarterback. They all kind of went. I wanted them to get C.J. Stratter, Anthony Richardson, and that was obviously not in the cards.

So Skoronsky, I mean, he was the best offensive linemen in college football last year. And his only real concern is that he may not have long enough arms to play tackle. But if he comes in, the Titans don't have really a starting left guard on the roster right now. Andre Dillard is slotted in as you're starting left tackle. If, you know, you put Skoronsky at left guard because you're looking for, a long-term, you know, fix at left tackle, great. If you put Skronsky at left tackle and Andre Dillard has played guard in his career, like, they're going to figure it out.

And I think that... Dillard also gets hurt, like, usually after a couple weeks. So, I mean, to me, it's like, we're not exactly sure where all the pieces are going to fit on the line, but we have good pieces, especially, like, I think Skoronski could be one of the best guards. Well, versatility is, he's been compared to Elijah Vera Tucker. If you've got to be like, oh, we need a guard, lock him in there. And I saw Zach Martin compare. If he can be the best guard in the NFL, kick him out to tackle, and he'll do a great job there.

So I think that's a good... What about his short arms, though? He's got short arms. Well, that was what moves Zach Martin inside. I mean, he was a tackle at first, and then he became a Hall of Fame team guards. I'd rather have a Hall of Fame card than like a so-so tackle. That said, you told us, Gravedigger, you did a seven-round mock, Titans. That's a lot of...

Sounds like a lot of rounds. Well, we did like one of those, you know, the draft simulators. How is we? Pick for the Titans. My co-hosts and I on our podcast, the Music City. How long did that take? Get that plug in there, bro. How long did that take?

It was about an hour-long pod. Okay. But you had Skoranski going to the Titans on that pod. And if you had just picked, who'd you pick for the Titans on our pod? Stroud. I had them trading up for Stroud. I was buying into all the smoke. Market credulous.

What, no, I thought you, like, what you literally went over seven rounds of picks on a pod? Just the Titans. Oh, all right. I thought you did. It's like a white noise machine in the middle of the night. So if you had just picked Skoransky on this pod, Gravedigger, you would have won the competition. Now, I have a question about that.

So close. Not that it matters anymore because I'm already losing. I'm already losing. Filing an appeal? There we go. No, no, no. No, you can't return your Harold Landry the third jersey. They're not taking returns on that.

That's the answer to your question. If Mark has 13 points right now, right? Not right now permanently. What if the Titans pick Will Levis at 41 tomorrow? We're not engaging in like Then you get 15 points to beat me by 3? I don't know Oh, because I picked

You picked him Well then maybe it would be applicable to know That was a La Reveal Magnifico right there I would say like the scoring is locked down at this point right Yeah I mean there's no like something happens in the third round I do want to see what happened Right what would happen though if they did that Then I think our Tanna Hill to Atlanta plan

becomes much more tangible. Now, Gravedigger, we'll get to sandwiches on Saturday to recap them all, but you said there wouldn't be any top 10 trades. Top seven, but yes. Oh, was it top seven? And there was a couple here. The Detroit trade, there was the Arizona trade.

So you got it pretty hard. It went pretty quiet from there, though. There wasn't overly trade heavy. You're cool with the short arms? I'm cool with it. Roshan Slater has fairly short arms too, right? And he was amazing. He can come in here an absolutely clean house.

Well, let's talk about the other top 10 trade, though, which was the Eagles trading up one spot. Oh, yeah. Gave up very little. What a night for Howie. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. They're the winners. I think we could talk about their two picks together because they're kind of a

They're a combo platter. To get Jalen Carter, the number one player on Daniel Jeremiah's board before the off-field stuff really popped up. The guy who pops off the screen more than any player in this entire draft where you just look at them and you're like, oh my God, that guy is just going to destroy in the NFL. He's one of the best defensive tackle prospects in years. To get him at nine, and all you gave up to move up was, what, a fourth round pick to move up that one spot. And then you get Nolan Smith late in the draft,

who to me was like a top 15 type of player who looks a lot like Hassan Reddick. You put those two guys, and what's already a pretty good defensive line, and it's just the rich get richer, and they know who they are. I really love the way the Eagles build their team. Half their defense is from Georgia. You're playing in a pretty weakened NFC right now where the landscape feels very manageable. Who are the top five quarterbacks in the NFC right now?

Well, you'd have to, you'd be giggling by the time you got to number five, I think. Hurts, DAC. Good luck from there. Yeah. Then it gets, for me, it gets weird. You know. You need fields to take a job. Cousins is in there.

Maybe that makes, that's an insult. We're missing someone that are going to get people really mad But just imagine we didn't forget it That's a different exercise for a different day Matthew Stafford Who do we forget anybody in the NFC Brock Purdy

Gino Smith Gino Gino might be five He might be the telephone Daniel Jones I guess From a talent perspective Kyler Murray

But he's not even present No that's fair That's fair Say talent from a talent angle Jared Gough I mean it really It's depressing landscape

Like that pick of the Eagles Was what the Saints pick last year And it just goes to show when you're not When you're always thinking about the future And I think the Eagles think about the future better than just about anyone They do everything like a year in advance Like that trade at the time was like Oh yeah that was a good trade

They got a picked up an extra first Saints moved up for a lobby But the Saints are happy Now you look at it a year later Because you weren't getting too antsy You waited a year you get maybe the best player in the draft for just waiting a year. Here, I think we taught, he pled no contest to misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and racing.

And then this is according to ESPN, he was nine pounds heavier at his pro day than he was at the NFL combine two weeks earlier. He couldn't finish his positional drills. So, listen, you could see that stuff and it affected. It affected it most likely. And maybe, and this is where you kind of trust the organization. This is why I'm not saying, raving a red flag myself. Okay, if Philly felt like he checked out and they could get him on the straight and arrow,

I buy it, especially joining a veteran roster here. You got veteran like Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, guys like that. This is a perfect spot for Carter. I mean, Seattle was the one a lot of people pointed to, and that would have made sense to, but Philly is a great landing. Yeah, you have a new defensive coordinator and Sean Desai, although there's a lot of stuff they'll do similar from last year on defense. and, I mean, they're just ultra-loaded.

The Bears, that was a very smart decision. They have to better protect Justin Field. So Darnell right there, a clean prospect, a tackle there. Any thoughts beyond that? Right tackle. You know, they're happy with their left tackle. Braxton Jones, I think they hit on a fifth rounder a year ago who really looked quite good at left tackle.

And so they took a guy in Wright who, you know, the way explained to me, the more you watched him, it was like, why isn't this guy getting ranked higher on draft boards? And then eventually he did. He looks like the most ready

kind of guy to go play day one. He's just a right tackle only, but for the Bears, I don't think that's going to bother. It's a similar situation to Seattle where when they hit on a late round cornerback last year, and now they come back

and they get a big prospect. And if they hit on this guy now, look out and you did it without giving up two lottery-type picks. I keep clicking by mistake, and I just texted out, on Peter Schrager's mock draft and thinking those were the picks that actually happened

and it's blowing my brain. It's like, what? What, what is it? Hit it. Let's go. Let's fly. Give me a long one. Give me a long, Gregi, what, what, what, what.

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What? All right. Okay. You're going to lose me soon. So this part of the draft frustrates me a little bit. So the Packers, as a part of the Aaron Rogers trade, swapped number one picks this year. So they move into 13, and they say, we want to get some help with our defense.

They do it all. By the way, this is what they do all the time in the Packers. They take defensive players. They didn't stick it to Aaron Rogers. In the first round, and Lucas Van Ness out of Iowa goes there. Well, so, yeah, I mean, I had a sandwich prop saying that they would take at least four wide receiver type. end combinations. Still could happen.

It still can happen. Because it was nebulous, the prop. Yeah, but this is like... They've got 11 more picks. This is where I thought it would happen, though, is like you go get the best wide receiver and you build around Jordan Love. And I guess it is frustrating from that angle, except that Lucas Van Ness to me, along with Roshan Gary, is I just think he just strikes me as someone that's going to come right

in and be ultra-destructive. And I just, I've liked him a lot through this whole process. He's sort of an athletic freak. And it's something, it's good for Green Bay. From that angle, it's not like it's negative because he's not a wide receiver. Well, he also is wearing the shirt, I think, of any draft prospect that would have been most likely to be worn by Mark Zessler. Like it was a pretty wild, beautiful shirt that was really a change to what we mostly see in men's fashion. Mark is trying to be the change that he wants to see in men's fashion.

He's been very frustrated for years ago. I at least complain about it. I don't know what change. Well, this shirt. Look at this. I mean, people should check out the YouTube of this podcast. What are they called? Paisley? Is that what that is?

I don't know what to say. Something Prince would wear in his estate. Earthly flower arrangements or something. I mean, I'm sure Vanness will be good, but color me less excited that we got like Preston Smith's replacement. I don't know. I just wanted something more poppy. But he fits very much with Gary and Preston Smith. He reminds me of Preston Smith kind of.

He's a guy who's going to get a lot of pressures, probably not a lot of sacks. These guys from, like, Iowa, they don't care if it's, like, one degree. That's not the pick that annoyed me. The next pick is what annoyed me because the Pittsburgh Steelers trade up with the New England Patriots. And, you know, we talked about this leading into the draft. It's time for Pittsburgh to shore up that offensive line

and get back to, you know, dominating up front. We had Damashek on the live stream. Check that out. And he made a point of that as well. They go and get Broderick Jones, which not only costs me a sandwich, it I think causes the next team, the Jets to have to pivot and go in a different direction.

So that was an area in need for Pittsburgh. They have a second year quarterback in Kenny Pickett, a running game that I feel like, you know, they have a first round running back from a couple of years ago. Nausea Harris? Yeah, Naji Harris, that you feel like it hasn't ever really totally clicked. And I think a lot of that goes back to QB line play. Maybe now everything's in line for Harris to truly take off

and pick it to take the next step with a big-time lineman if, if Broderick Jones hits. I think you started to see that run game come together at the end of last season. The line got a little bit better after being an abject disaster early on. Damashek, who is pretty accurate with his Steelers' prognostications, called them an 11-win team in a rough-and-tumble AFC. The line, I think growing up, the Steelers always mauled you with the offensive line. And it's been a real problem lately.

And their offense now at this point feels so different from where they were a year, a year and a half ago because you got all these young talented players on sort of the first contract and quarterback, George Pickens, you're improving the line. Najee Harris, it's like you can really see something there. There was kind of a run on tackles here. So it's telling to me the Patriots traded out. I thought they might take a tackle, but they traded out. They picked up, you know, an extra, I think it was a fourth, to move down a few spots.

And maybe they were just happy to extra stick it to the Jets. They somehow knew that the Steelers would take the Jets guy, although we don't really even know it was the Jets guy. It just seemed to make sense. I think it was the Jets guy because the Jets, they take Will McDonald out of Iowa State, who is known as Bendy or Mr. Bendy, and despite not having ideal size is a very athletic, talented edge rush.

You need, Jets are still looking for that consistency in their pass rush. And yet, yeah, I think they were kind of caught a little bit. here because remember they have carlossum uh it's kind of a forgotten thing but they had all those first round picks last year they took germane johnson uh last year as well they have uh a ton ton of a lineman and i know sala is going to try to keep all those guys in the mix but i don't know i was definitely it's it's all kind of

there's still a lot of afterglow with the rogers thing so i'm not really that down about it but the offensive lineman felt like such the move and they just they ran out of the big four yeah i thought you made a good point on our live stream where they are basically going into no, there's more picks to come, but you're going into the season with last year's line that that's

fine if they can stay healthy. And if Mackay Beckton, no, he's had a good offseason. There's a lot of praise around his effort and everything, but like you got to... He doesn't play in two years. You got to stay intact, right? So this would have been a big, it felt like a really ripe place for an offensive tackle. I would assume they'll take one in this draft, but it might

be like a fourth rounder that you're just crossing your fingers that you can develop. Will McDonald is a little bit different flavor than the guys they have? I mean, he's a different flavor than most of the league, but we're seeing the league get lighter. I mean, he's like Nolan Smith in terms of his size under 240 pounds as an edge rusher is wild. But just a total, like, Tasmanian devil of just getting after the quarterback

and just tough as hell and didn't, like, blow up the combine quite as much. So I think a lot of people thought Nolan Smith would go ahead of him and Nolan Smith ended up going 15 picks later. But an exciting player, a little different flavor than the other guys. It's just not what I was expecting. I even thought there was a chance they might go get one of the wide receivers or a tight end, but they take another pass rusher. And he's going to eventually replace Carl Lawson.

It just becomes a matter of, is that happening next year? Is Lawson potentially, is that something that can happen? Will he be moved or even released? We, Chelsea, let's take a break. You'll always have your chant. well uh see you can't hurt me you can't hurt me right now it's teflon baby uh let's take a break and uh we'll hit the back end of the first round hey this matt jones i'm drew franklin and this is nfl cover zero we're just here to

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Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from Scouting Reports and player development to team-building philosophy's coaching trends and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year.

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Jack Campbell, a little bit of a surprise, inside linebacker out of Iowa. So they go running back and inside linebacker with their two first round picks, Detroit. You've got to be thrilled if you're the Patriots to have Christian Gonzalez, who I don't know, that seemed like a top 10 pick or the first cornerback off the board, potentially to follow to you at 17. It's a place where I really would want to be a cornerback and go play because I trust the development there under Bill Belichick. It is exciting for them to have, and so rare, to have a draft

that worked out so well for them conventionally. I mean, it doesn't matter what the mock draft grades are, but they'll get a good one for once because Gonzalez fits a need. They certainly could use a cornerback. They could certainly use a cornerback that's like taller than me. I mean, their cornerbacks is just a small group. Jonathan Jones, you got Jack Jones, you got Marcus Jones. All the Joneses, they're not terribly tall.

Neither's Miles Bryant. It's just like one of the smallest groups of cornerbacks in the NFL, maybe in NFL history. I guess they used to be small back in the day. Can you check every cornerback group in the history of the league and see? But now you're bringing a guy who's like smooth as hell. I mean, just the way he moves is nice. It's like a little Stefan Gilmore vibe.

Emmanuel Sanders said on NFL Network before the draft that Christian Gonzalez was exactly the type of corner, as a smaller wide receiver, exactly the kind of cornerback you don't want to deal with. So the Patriots are excited and... Forbes is fun too. Under 170 pounds is a 6-1 guy, but like just a ridiculous boss.

Sorry, sorry. That's okay, Greg. I was just going to say Christian Gonzalez was not overly excited, it seemed, after he was selected. I think he was disappointed to fall to 17. Yeah. How much money? How much money does it cost you to fall from 17?

like if he went top 10 is there that I know it's a it's a big difference but how big are we talking I don't have the exact number for you at this moment but I can do some work on that Justin once you get through every cornerbacks group in the history of the league just the exact money all right okay I got an article number seven let's say where a lot of people mocked them to the raiders 27 and a half 27 million number 17 guaranteed well this is the whole contract which they almost always all 16 million. So that's a $7 million difference. Jesus Christ.

Pretty big difference. Maybe I wouldn't be smiling as much either. But he's still first round pick in the NFL. Are we surprised about the Lions pick, Greg? After they take the running back going Jack Campbell there, not a lot of people had them there, but they do need to boost that defense. Yeah, that was shocking.

Jack Campbell, though, is a guy, I think they kind of are living in an age that Dan Campbell played in. You know, they draft the running back. They draft an off-ball linebacker. Like, Jack Campbell is the type of guy who 20 years ago would have got taken in the top 20, and you wouldn't have blinked. He won the college award for the best linebacker.

He's extremely athletic. He blew up the combine, just like, you know, a nice corn-fed boy from Idaho, that just made play after play, like racked up tackles. But he was not getting a lot of buzz in this draft because that position is not valued. And he wasn't like a total freak, like a Devin White who is getting top 10.

2020 Butkus Award winner. Cornfed. I don't know why you always say that about, I always say that or people say that about like Iowa. I usually know what that means, typically. I think they're out there work in the fields, they're farmers. It means you played in the Big Ten,

you're like a white guy. Yeah. That's essentially what it is. It's the crafty wide receiver, but for like a linebacker, yeah, cornfed. Yeah, it doesn't suggest a slight individual. It's always like, I always see them in mock drafts to be like, this guy just like looks like, he just seems like a patriot.

And it's just always a white guy. Let's keep on moving. I like this next pick. All right, the next pick. Go ahead. Set it up, Belle. Coliza Cancy, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Todd Bulls gets, you know, baby Aaron Donald.

I just, I want to see him play because, I mean, there's like. Baby Aaron Donald, what a cop. Yeah, but it's like he's like, he's. His arms are also a little short. That's maybe an issue, but, like, he's explosive, and they could use a little juice right there. Yeah, just like a pure pass rusher. I always get a little worried about Todd Bowles

just seems like all he cares about is defense. And so Canty is a fun pick, and he's not going to be playing on running down necessarily all the time right away, and that's fine, but he'll juice up the passers. But I just, I just, you do need to play offense. This is when I got a little or increasingly worried for Will Levis, because this seemed like a potential landing spot for him.

I know when the draft board plays out a certain way or whatever, but they're serious about this Baker thing, I guess, Tampa. Yeah, I think they are, at least for this year. I mean, but there's... Is that a surprise? It's a little surprising. I don't know. He's been flailing for years.

He had a couple good games last year, but he's going to be there like week one starter. They keep talking about Kyle Trask whenever they talk about Baker Mayfield. But what's so exciting about Kyle Trass? They could be a Tannahill guy. I also think they're among the most likely Will Levis. landing spots in round two. I thought they would take Levis there.

That was the first spot where I was like, hmm. I'm with you. Let's head into the 20s. All right, this is a great pick. The Seattle Seahawks after passing on a quarterback and instead addressing their defense in the top five, they then take Jackson Smith and Jigba out of Ohio State, seen by many as the best wide receiver in this class. So they have Tyler Lockett.

They have D.K. Metcats. and now they have Smith and Jigba a very nice trio. One of the bad. Who was that? Damn. If he hits. Wait, that's Kevin Hart talking to who was it? When he found out somebody was old, it's an actor.

Don Cheadle. Don Cheadle. Oh, and Cheadle got pissed. Cheetaheal got pissed. Every time I hear Kevin Hart talk, I just think of himself. saying, you know, damn. Anyway, Smith and Jigba hits, that's a really nice trio. And again, everything broke Gino today.

They don't get Richardson. They address defense in the first pick, and then they add another playmaker. Very nice, very nice. I think he's going to be really productive for them, out of the gate, great route runner, fits right in. And, you know, I thought he could have gone to the Jets. I thought he could have gone to the Packers. it's a bit of a coup d'etat for Seattle

to get him here. He's like the option route master and where just him and the quarterback have to be on the same page. He looks at the leverage and he picks which spot to go. Basically a better version of all those slot receivers and the Seahawks have been desperately needing

that for years. Like he's just good at setting up defenders in the open field. Like he's kind of got like a crossover in terms of how he gets past people of vision. Like he's just a great runner and man, the three them compliment each other very well those three receivers yeah a great pick and you know what we were in the the heat of the moment doing the live stream i did not even process that this started a run of

four straight wide receivers off the board so uh as we said smith and jigba to seattle the chargers take quentin johnston adding another playmaker that was a smart move out of tc u the ravens then and by the way we're going to get to lamar in a second but let's start by uh talking about the draft still Zay Flowers, the wide receiver out of BC who had been connected to Kansas City as a potential option. He goes to Baltimore. And then with the 23rd pick, another wide receiver, Jordan Addison out of USC, goes to the Vikings, obviously replacing Adam Thielen. Or that's the hope. Wow, four in a row.

I'd start with the Ravens because it's a big win for, I think, Rashad Bateman, too, who, you know, he's been injured. He's had durability issues. but I think it's a very good wide receiver. You know of Odell Beckham, Flowers, Rashad Bateman, Mark Andrews, a new offensive coordinator, and you have Lamar Jackson. Is it good news for Rashad Bayton? I mean, I guess I should say that more that I don't want him to be your number one wide receiver, and now you've kind of put him probably where he's tiered.

It's not great for his production, but for the Ravens who have struggled for decades to draft anyone, like I thought Zay Flowers was almost a home run to be chased after by the chiefs who seems so interested in him and it would have fits. so well there, but this passing game has hope for the first time in a while. Well, Steve Smith watched flowers and thought, he kind of reminds me of me. And now you put him in Baltimore and you can't help but think of Steve Smith's years there and Anquan Bolden, they've always had a good, I know it's totally different staffs. It's not necessarily connected, but I can see Lamar throwing well over the middle of the field.

That's where he's at his best, Tuesday Flowers. And now you have all sorts of different flavors. between Rashad Bateman and O'Dell. It's just a much different team. And oh, by the way, you can have a fully healthy J.K. Dobbins, not like just coming back from injury halfway through the season. You've got Linderbombs now a year older. Their first round pick, I mean, they still need to stay healthy,

but on paper, it's a great day for Lamar Jackson. And we might as well get to it. I mean, it's crazy that this is an afterthought. Lamar Jackson's new contract is an afterthought, but that's what happens on drafting. That's the first night of the NFL draft. And Lamar signs a, it comes to agreement on a five-year, $260 million contract. A rap sheet had the reporting there.

The deal includes $185 million in total guarantees per Rappaport. The $52 million per year annual salary makes Jackson the NFL's newest highest paid player. So Jalen Hertz had that title for all of a week. So there are different ways to look at this. Of course, it's Deshaun Watson who still has the strap for the most guaranteed money at 2.30. That was what obviously Lamar was shooting for,

but he ends up in a very good place. He gets a five-year deal. 185 million guarantee, and he's not going anywhere. Do we have some Lamar sound making the announcement on social media as the kids in sports do these days? Yes, courtesy of the Baltimore Ravens.

All right. you know for the last few months there's been a lot of he say she say a lot of nail biting a lot of head scratching going on but for the next five years it's a lot of flock going on let's go baby let's go a lot of flock can't wait to be there can't wait to light up m&T for the next five years man let's get it M&T the stadium right A lot of he said, she said scenarios there. I mean, there is going to be a lot of flocking going on. We're going to be flocking up a storm in Baltimore.

Let's go. Who's we? I don't know. Just watching football. People that are happy, this is over. You were right, by the way, to ask if the Hertz contract had an impact. I was like, I don't know. No, I didn't think so.

I'm loyal to football. And he ends up signing essentially Jalen Hertz's contract plus 10%. That's why you don't need an agent, apparently, in the end. Is you just like, oh, yeah, give me Jalen Hertz, but like, add like, seven, I mean, I really don't have a super strong feeling about to have an agent or not, but it made it a lot more tedious for all of us. Yeah, that's kind of the most important thing. Yeah. At least for us.

It's over. And it's in a nice spot. I'm just happy. Do we know, do we, yeah, there, is there anything about the contract we don't know? I don't, I have no idea. But all we know is it's no longer a story. He is going there. And I said it about when O'Dell signed, the writing was on the wall there because O'Dell is a certain type of guy and he was not going to. to go play with Snoop Huntley.

Lamar was going back. It felt like it was going to happen. The only thing then was like, do the Ravens, how far did they want to take this? Did they want to do something like they did today by adding a playmaker and then have Lamar play on that franchise and see how he does with a better supporting cast before they, I kind of maybe would have thought about doing that.

But at the same time, things had gotten so. I don't know if he would have done that. Because the negotiation was so grim that I don't think they even had that as an option. They almost had to make Lamar. happy and keep it from being a circus, which is kind of what it was. I think what was lost a little in this is how much the Ravens wanted Lamar Jackson to keep being their quarterback this whole time. Now, they had a certain way they approached the negotiation, but they did not want to be in any world where they were starting over at quarterback when

they have this quarterback that they really love. That's why they offered him $133 million guaranteed six months ago. The problem was that price just wasn't enough. They get to the finish line. I'm glad it's over. And I'm glad. like this is a good looking team overall. That's why that 11 wins for the Steelers seems rich to me because I think the Browns have a chance. They have a pretty good roster if Watson plays well. And then you have the Ravens and you have the Bengals.

Man, it's just a loaded division. When Damashek said that, that was before they had taken safe flowers here too, not that that's the complete turning point. I mean, I think if we knew all this was going to happen that Lamar Jackson was essentially going to go to market months ago and someone said not a single other team would show any tangible interest in him. That's an upset.

The Ravens really want them, but no one else did. Well, they didn't want to give up, yeah, multiple first round picks and that. I think there were probably aspects of it that were humbling for Jackson, but at the end of the day, things kind of worked out. And it's sort of gotten lost in the shuffle, Todd Monk, and the new offensive coordinator. You know, it's going to be a totally different offense. We'll see what it looks like.

He was in college. You know, he had been in the pros before, but it's not going to be that weird. just crazy, run-heavy Greg Roman thing. Well, I think the Greg Roman thing, as it does, kind of ran its course and probably the moving on from Greg Roman was a big boon for Lamar Jackson, too, I think. I just wonder if, you know, they had a potential opportunity to see if Lamar could stay healthy this upcoming season.

I just don't think he would have... If his production was going to kind of get back to what he was a few years ago. You think he would have played? I could have seen him. I don't think it would have. I think it was... Yeah, I'd see him stay out the year. It was kind of the well was poisoned from that perspective.

So they're rolling the dice a little bit, but, you know, that's how it works. Yeah, if Kyler is getting that money, if Deshaun Watson's getting that money, like this is an MVP, he's getting that money. Here we go. The Giants, who, by the way, gave a lot of money to a quarterback that maybe you need to see more from, they take a cornerback. Deonti Banks out of Maryland. That is an area of need. The bills, speaking of area of need. at 25, take Dalton Kincaid.

So the first tight end comes off the board out of Utah, giving the team another offensive playmaker. Everyone was saying the same thing there. They need to add players. Now is DeAndre Hopkins next? Maybe not through reports that came out today that the Cardinals now are more likely to hang on to Hopkins, but maybe that smoke.

Still would like to see that. Get Kincaid and Hopkins in there, and we're flying. And then the Dallas Cowboys at 26 overall, take the Wizard of Maas. Mazzie Smith, defensive tackle out of Michigan. So they want to help out

with their run stuff in game and Smith is he's good at that. I love Kincaid for the Bills. I think that this would have been a wide receiver area too had there not been that run. The one thing about the Hopkins, like just going to look at like over the cap,

I think I mentioned this the other show that the amount of dead money that the Cardinals are still stuck with if they move them. I know they're in rebuilding mode. Yeah, they're dead anyway. So you get something for him. You've been trying to, by all accounts.

Rap Sheet said they were trying to include them in a deal that would have included the Titans potentially. Actually, that was a tricky trade though. That was a true football talk, rather, that reported that, I should say. Well, then why not Buffalo go get him? I mean, like, that makes. Right. I'm a little concerned about the Stefan Diggs thing, too. Like, he's not doing the off season.

Like, it seems to be some discord there. For what it's worth. Cardinals general manager, Monty, Austin, Ford, had this to say after Thursday night. I don't foresee that happen. Asaport said after Parish Johnson Jr. was taken at number six. I don't know what is going to happen here in the next couple days. Right now, I don't foresee that happening now. So that's not definitely.

Oh, he also added DeAndre's a Cardinal and we're moving forward. Oh, well, that's pretty strong. I would have led with that quote, but it's okay. I do love that Kincaid pick. They actually gave up a fourth round pick to move up to spots because I think they were worried Dallas would potentially take Dalton Kincaid. Who knows if Dallas actually would have? Because I was sure they were going to take Michael Meyer there,

the Notre Dame tight end. It just felt like the Jason Witten replacement, if there ever was one. But man, I really love Kincaid. I was totally with Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah. He had Kincaid as a top 10 player in this entire draft. I thought he was the most exciting pass catcher in this draft, period. Just the crazy hand. The test, Gregie.

This is the test, right? Yeah. We talked about it's time for a tight end to come into this league and ball out. You demanded it. I demanded it. If not, stop taking him in the first round. I mean, he's the 25th pick, though. I'm saying, first rounder and you're putting him in Western New York with one of the great

quarterbacks in the sport and a great, they got Stefan Diggs in the building. You have no excuse for this guy not to be a baller. It's not too much for you to ask that. You also just gave Dawson not. Knox a ton of money. But I think they're very different players, Knox, you know, a little bit of a blocker. But still, it's interesting, give that much money to Dawson Knox and then take Kincaid. I do want to mention.

Can I just say the great Eric Roberts behind the glass, one of the people behind the scenes that make the show go and a diehard Bill's fan pointed out the exact contract specific. So it was a 13 million a year in that extension of 52 million. Four year 52, I think. Like, that is a lot of money. Yeah. And now you just brought in another tight end. maybe they make it work and then Knox

those different things but it's a lot of money it was an overpay for Knox a lot of money fine but that was if there's any reason to check out our YouTube live stream go to the last

you know 10 minutes or so and check out Eric's bill shirt it's just fantastic just check out Eric's in general yeah no I mean there's kind of a striking looking guy yes he's got a dark hair a lot of comments in the stream the mustache and then like he's got

these cool piercings nice torso area and then a really nice-fitted shirt. This is getting... Everything okay, Eric? He doesn't have sex with you. Yeah. Are we cool, Eric?

Okay, he's giving me a thumbs up. HR has actually just walked in. HR is at home. HR is sleeping. HR went home two days. There's no rules after 10 a year. I'm falling asleep as well. Yeah, we're going home soon.

But so that charges in Vikings fans don't complain. Quentin Johnston, nice little Mike Williams replacement. That's interesting, though. I kind of think Mike Williams is not long for the charges, one more year on his contract. And then Addison was my personal favorite wide receiver in this class just because I feel like he is going to get open. That's what Quessi Adofo Menta said in his press conference.

Just like this guy gets open coming off the bus. He just runs great route. So good luck to cornerbacks trying to guard Justin Jefferson and Addison. Addison's your number two. You can't double that guy. Yeah. And famously, it was the Vikings, a different brain trust, obviously. So maybe it's not one to one.

And it's not even close, actually. But they laughed when it was, who did the Eagles take ahead of Justin Jefferson? Jalen Rager. Jalen Rager. So they're hoping. Who's now on the Viking? History is going to repeat itself and they end up getting the best wide receiver in this draft class. Even if he isn't the first off the board.

And you know who else could just, in his heyday? He just always got open. Randy Moss. It's different. Okay. Adam Thielin. Oh. That's what he did.

Well, I'm not. He's surprised. He's like, it's always open. I'm correct about Randy Moss. It's absolutely right. It's not feeling. Thank you. Thank you, Greg.

Martin, you're muddling the process. I was doing that on purpose for you. He was okay. Remember that game on Thanksgiving and he had three touchdown catches? That was the only three catches he had in that whole game against the Cowboys. Just think about that. Is Randy Moss truly elite? Well, I wouldn't have happened if that Cowboys team had Mazzie Smith defensive tackle out of Michigan.

The Wizard of Maas. All right, let's finish it up here. The Jags pick they got. from Buffalo, take Anton Harrison, tackle Oklahoma. We should mention that Cam Robinson, their left tackle, apparently tested positive for PEDs and is facing a suspension. We don't know how long the suspension is unless something else was reported. But he's out for the beginning of the season.

So here's Harrison, potential six-game suspension, it appears to be. Never a great sign when you're, like, taking a guy because your other guy just got suspended. I don't know. I'm not sure that's why they did that. but it feels a little desperate. The Bengals take defensive end Miles Murphy out of Clemson so they add

you know, we talked, we connected them to those running backs. But they were long gone those running backs by the time. The Cincinnati Bengals got on the draft board. So yeah, they focus on defense there. The Saints from San Francisco through Miami and Denver take Brian Breesie of

Clemson, the defensive tackle. The Sean Peyton pick, yeah. The Philadelphia Eagles, as we talked about already, Nolan Smith out of Georgia. And the final, it's got to be, because it's the last pick, it's got to be the tough one. The Kansas City Chiefs take Felix.

Anudiki Uzama, defensive end out of Kansas State. Nice pop from the local crowd there. Great job by Kansas City in general. Since we were on air, we weren't really hearing the broadcast. Yeah. As much as I expected. I guess I don't know why.

People seem to be having fun. It appeared enjoyable. Just the visuals of it was wild. And then when they announced Indyke Uzama's name, they went crazy. And I just was like, wow, that's a lot of pop for him. But a Kansas State guy makes sense. Kansas State.

Deep brain. You know what? Speaking of Eric Roberts, we asked Eric Roberts, we asked Eric to give some breakdown of that. He said, you know, loyal to the soil. But Kansas State and Kansas City, different. States, right? Yeah, but they're close.

Missouri, yes. Maybe a little disloyal to the soil. Well, I mean, I think it's a regional pick. Right. I mean, people get, yes, Kansas City, Missouri. I mean, there is a Kansas City, Kansas, but that's beside the point, I guess, in this conversation. I've been pointing it out. It's a fair thing to point out, but I understand.

He said loyal to the soil, perhaps disloyal to said soil. You've just made things awkward with Eric after so many nice compliments Just minutes ago. Okay, you know how long right now, it's currently 156 in the morning in Kansas City. If you get on I-70, you're getting from Kansas State to downtown Kansas City in 16 minutes.

That's loyal. The soil's the same. Got to get over the border, though. You're very into the state line scenario. Yeah. I understand. There could be a toll road. Now, you could stop at the supermarket

in El Torito. It's about halfway, if you want. I'm sure there's a rival supermarket for the Kansas State side. Yeah, exactly. Read that, read that to us. I wish I could pronounce his name. Felix apparently said, quote, I got drafted by literally my favorite team growing up.

That's pretty good. So your argument continues, your argument continues to crumble, though, from a certain angle. You are a factory of sand it. Some things are working against me. argument i would say so but the only thing i have on my side is the fact that it's a different state and you can push back all you want but that's not changing well we can discuss that later

can we he's a top 10 football inside the only thing you have on your side is that we just wrapped it all up well congratulations saints you took another like toolsy defensive end that you're not in love with uh at least that your fans aren't in love with they always take these guys so who yeah obviously let's see who is the best best available players as we end. By the way, the Steelers have the first pick of the second round. Steelers, Cardinals, Lions, first three up. Some of these tight ends?

Does Will Levis go to one of those teams? Hand and Hooker, I don't know. Hennon Hooker. How about the Rams picking fifth in the second round? Hmm, interesting. What do you project for them? They need a little bit. Oh, you know who didn't go?

Joey Porter didn't go. Yeah, Joey Porter, who I. Oh, and the Steelers are up first. maybe that's at the spot. I think you've got to. I hate when teams don't do this thing. They might not think he's that good at football, though. I know there's a connection to the dad.

It's a relative surprise that he fell out of the first round. A lot of it, you know, yeah, a physical guy that most analysts had in their top 20. It's like it's not an obligation, though, for them to. They could use a cornerback. It's not, but I hate when teams don't do it. Like, Joey Porter was the heart and soul. And quite annoying if you were not a... Do the claimant.

No, but if you... Well, it is reminds me when the... Browns passed on the son of Clay Matthews and he becomes a or it's like oh let's pass on JJ or on JJ Watt's brother because there couldn't possibly be another Watt that's just as good as him it's a fair point how did one Watt get so over under drafted after the other Watt got overdrafted Taco Charlton went ahead of T.J. What are doing here? Let's let's use that as a cautionary tale here. Brian Branch who the best safety in the draft like do a little bit of everything, not like crazy

athleticism, but I thought he might go in the first half of the first round is still out there. Michael Mayer, as we mentioned. Those are kind of the biggest. Your guy Darno, Washington. A lot of receivers. I can't wait to see him. A lot of good second round receivers. I'm a big fan of

a few of them. Mingo is a good one. I think Cedric Tillman's a good one. T.J. Watt went 30th overall in 2017. Absurd. It's going to Hall Fane. Utterly absurd. Good chance. So, listen, you might have picked the first, second, third, but you can get a Hall of Famer in the back end of the round.

You can get a Hall of Famer in the second round. You can get a Hall of Famer at $199. Greg, remember? Remember that Tom Brady? Can't wait to check out the Tom Brady pick, day three. Always my favorite. All right, that is it. So check out the stream.

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