NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2023 NFL Offseason Glossary Part 2

Episode Date: May 18, 2023

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal, and Colleen Wolfe get you ready for the offseason with part two of their 2023 NFL Offseason Glossary. Before they dive into the glossary, they put a bow on some of the NFL schedule talk surrounding next season's Black Friday game (06:05). The heroes open part two of their glossary with "Nadir" to talk about the Bears' upcoming season (10:49) and "Overkill" to talk about next season's possible plans for Jim Nantz and Tony Romo (17:12). After the break, the letter 'Q" raises a question about the Steelers (28:33) and 'S' opens the door to a classic ATN moment (37:00). Finally, which team is described as maybe being "Underrated" (48:20) and the glossary comes to an end with "Zenith" (01:08:56), used to describe Jason and Travis Kelce. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I got heroes All up in the studio Mark Sessler Greg Rosenthal And one more Everybody Ladies and gentlemen Actually you know what

Hit it Colleen Wolfe Connie's the queen She is the queen of NFL media What is that? Where did that come from? That was lovely. Who did that?

Yes, who did that? Eric, behind the glass. I'd have to get back into Google, the Gmail. Yeah, the Gmail is actually at my desktop, guys, not on my laptop. Is it from back in the day when we asked for different theme songs for Colleen? Yeah, yeah, this is from, I think, a 2020 email that I got. Okay. Well, that's so nice.

Thank you very much. I will accept. All right. And we will credit whoever it is by the end of this episode. I'll drop a slack to you right now, Dan. All right, great. Connie, how are you? Hey, I am great.

I haven't seen you guys in a while. So this is nice. I'm going to Tybee tomorrow morning with Greg. We have a 6 a.m. flight. Sessler is house sitting for us and dog sitting Memorial Day weekend. So, Dan, what are you doing in my life? I am. Wait, is that a true story?

Mark really is house sitting. Yeah. They finally have hired a. professional to take care of their animals. Didn't Erica do it once? I believe it was our friend Emily who used to work here. Emily, Mitch that. Okay.

They've upgraded. I will be spending time with my family. But I will be happy to help out, Mark, if any issues arise, I know there's two dogs. Yeah, no, I could use. That's a lot of... You're a dog owner, so... I certainly am.

But I'll be busy with that dog, too. Oh, yeah, you can't... You can't bring captain. on the priority list, then you're two dogs. Dasher might murder captain, so that can't happen. He might. Okay. How is everybody doing? From the Office of Corrections and Omissions for around the NFL, apparently some whoppers in terms of misfires.

And we own these. We own it. That's a great way to put it. Let's start with the category of pronunciation. The term for excessive hair growth, Greg, on unexpected areas of the body, such as the face, chest, and back. Not herestute, it is. Her suit. I mean, I just tripped over that one again and again.

I don't know why I wrote it down, and I hope you haven't been trying to use the word her suit to impress your friends or her stute, because that would be the wrong one. It's almost like wearing a hair suit. Hair suit. If only you were here on Monday, Colleen. I was listening. You listened. Oh, you clocked it immediately. Yeah, well, Dan told me to listen to the last episode.

I demanded it. Why? I thought it was a test. So I did it. To be ready for this one? Yes. To not double up and whatnot? Correct.

So I do my homework. I'm a professional. She sure is, folks. And then we have in the Department of Mathematics, which I'm not taking any L on this one, because everyone knows where I stand in this category. I'm leaning on the other guys. 6.05 billion was, in this room, said to be, that extra 0.05 was $300,000.

Well, yeah. The actual mark, 6.05 billion is actually $6 billion plus. I don't, I'm not, I stopped doing the equate, the work on this. I'm taking the massive L. I did a Google search and probably plugged in the wrong numbers, which is, I know Dan's like the, I'm not good at math guy, but, like, I belong to that club to some degree, too. That's been a historical problem for myself.

I don't think anyone was expecting you guys to get the math right. All right, so we still don't know then. I don't know if this show needs to be delivering that product. I think the world can move on. The billionaires that are buying this great organization soon to be great. It's 50 million. Like, they've got a lot of them. It's 50 million.

That sounds more reasonable. $300,000. $50 million. So, and even to my point that I was making on the Monday program, what are we doing? Why are we adding the 0.05? Because it was $50 million extra on the purchase price. That adds up. It's fair.

That ain't pennies in the old give a penny, take a penny till. It's kind of a rounding error, though, when you're buying a $6 billion team. That's insane. That's true. Wow. That's true. Mark, how are you? You're waving that card in front of your face.

You got the vapos? I feel horrible. you should have worn the jean jacket I don't know if that would have saved what's happening here but I am here to do my best and I will that's also what we are about I don't even know what I'm saying at this point

I proceed gingerly because I know I don't want to get on your fashion choices you're wearing kind of a winter coat right now or at least a fall coat no it's very light it's very light it's a light coat I just want to say that I had been scrolling through Instagram after the Monday show and I

stopped dead in my tracks when I saw your jacket because I liked it that much. So I was aligned and when I listened to the show I was like oh my God they liked it too so it's a good choice. Now Mark's looking totally refreshed it's like he just came out of the shower

a woman says something nice to him and he's good. He has perked up all right and before we get into part two of the glossary which Colleen is 100% prepared for. I am. On just almost a absurd level. Some say two

prepared. I've been preparing for days. I want to check in with one other topic from the Monday app. Wow. My new favorite guy. Mike North. Okay. Feeder north of scheduling. Love

this guy. Love everything about him. You could have put this as the N. I suppose that's Connie's letter, though. There you go. I just want to say that here, let me put it this way before I get into it. Because I know there are If you're looking for an NFL podcast that will tell you why the swing tackle of the Bengals is an issue because he's opening up his hips too quickly in third down passing situations.

If you were looking for a braggy podcast where someone's clocking that, cool, go find it. But I dare you to find another NFL podcast that is more on top of profound bullshit like this. We're all over stuff like this. Like North coming out strong and talking about the Bengals, raising their hand and saying they wanted to be on Black Friday, not this year, but every year. Clearly that ruffled some feathers. And then North went out and did more media. No, he did not. And he's the best.

He was on the Adam Schaefter podcast. And then just listen to the wording here for Mike. The Jets, once they found out they were the host team, then started to think about, hey, is this something we could make a permanent fixture as part of the NFL schedule? maybe they didn't raise their hands in February, but now that they've been selected as the Black Friday host, I think they might be interested in it too. Love this guy. He's just kind of floating things out there

for us during the slow part of the year to aggregate. And I got to say, north to the moon. He's our North Star. Bang. Now you got on the Bengals for being a little bit too volunteerish, I would say. Now the Jets have apparently done the same thing.

Are you? But listen to the, listen to the, wording here. The Jets, once they found out they were the host team, then started to think about. And then he added, maybe they didn't raise their hands in February. But now that they've been selected, they might be interested in it, too. There's not even any proof that, according to what Mike North said that they even did that. Yeah, if you look at the wording, you're right.

He sort of danced around. Maybe Mike knows something that we don't. Are you at all concerned that Mike North, who has been with the company for 25 years, is going to get called into the principal's office and maybe told like, hey, maybe Ixnay on the EDMA, you know, a little less north.

Am I concerned? A little less north, a little more, just let the schedule speak for itself. That would be a mistake. That would be a mistake because I'm saying he's adding a lot of pop. Yeah, I mean, if nothing else,

this is a very boring time of year, and anyone that wants to bring some sizzle, you know, bring out a fajita plate sizzling, everybody gets excited when the fajita plate pops to the doors that's what mike north is doing right now so dream on mike north north make that content all right anything else did i tell you i i sat talking of group today i gotta say you're mike north you know back in the day oh you yes you shared yeah you you that anecdote was provided it's a well-worn anecdote it's a good one though did you ever go out to lunch with it no i don't think i went

out to lunch with the single member of the New York office while I was there. I mean, they weren't taking lunches.

They weren't asking me to go to lunch. Occasionally. You were there for like over a year, right? I would only... Manhattan,

you can go out and get like a hot... I would only get once or twice a week in the, in the office. And one of those days was Sunday when basically no one was there.

But everyone just went down and they got... I know. They went down and got street food because as good as the hudder was the street food banging right there. You just get the street food.

You get the huddles, the commissary both here. You go back. You see someone you know maybe down at the street food. Yeah, you sit there, but it's kind of a quick thing. Truth, truth. All right, let's get into it. Okay. Is everyone ready?

Colleen, your nails are outrageous. My nails are nailing. I think that's a whole industry of audio files. Some ASMR for you guys. Do it. It's wild. All right, get us going. We're picking up with the letter.

An incredible sound effect right there. N. Okay. So for N-N, I went N-D-R. Oh, we already did that on Monday. You did not. I know. I mean, just as proof, I took notes.

Yes. B for Boing. Yeah, I was like, how do I spell this? B-O-I-N-G. Okay, so N-D-E-R as in where the bears have been. But it doesn't quite feel that they are at their lowest or had been at their lowest. because I think there's so much optimism around all of the moves that they've made. So I think the clouds are lifting this off season.

And I feel excited about the Bears, which is kind of strange. I think that it's going to be by the time training camp rolls around, maybe I will be sick of this talking about them. But especially with Rogers out of the division, I really love the way that this Bears team is intriguing me right now. Like, of course, the coaching staff kind of struggled to find an identity out of the gate last year and they didn't have any pass catchers for Justin Fields. But I love them bringing in DJ Moore.

They finally have a number one guy for Justin Fields. They fixed, or at least they addressed the offensive line, drafting Darnell Wright, have a new face at Wright Guard, too. And then the defense bringing in the Eds, happy about that, T.J. Edwards and Tremaine Edmonds. I mean, I just think that. Ed Wolf. Eds.

Eds. The Eds. Eds. You guys have Eds in your family. Uncle Ed Hanses. Everyone has Eds in their families. There's always no ads. I have no, it's done.

It's good to have an Ed that doesn't bring a little heat himself, a little sizzle on the feet of plate. That's very true. Ed Sessler? Oh, absolutely. Let's fly with Ed. It's all sizzle with Ed. Yeah, so it's one of the youngest rosters in the league.

Dad, I finally found a show that you should listen to. You know what? Ed is in on the Bears. Are you? Nadir. Ed is for Nadir. I am a little concerned because it was about a year ago at this time that I recall you deeply hyping up the

Colts, the Colts. And that was just apocalyptic. But I think the thing you have that you're completely right about is the Bears on offense were vastly entertaining a year ago minus all these parts.

They already were doing it because of their quarterbacks. So it's like I, the only thing that stands out to me is like if they really thrive, probably their offensive coordinator gets yanked out for a head coaching job and you're stuck with one of these

defensive-minded coaches and Matt Eber Flus, who's the most to me. I just don't understand who he is at this point. I'm waiting. It's kind of how I felt about like Zach Taylor a couple years ago until you learn. I don't know if he's the guy to do it, but like, why not?

The Bears are far more interesting than they've ever been during the run of this show. Iber Flus was absolutely the coach, one of the coaches that Travis Kelsey when he went through and it was like, who's that? Who is that guy? That guy's in the NFL? The coaches are my biggest concern.

You mentioned, you know, maybe their offensive coordinator gets plucked. That would be a great problem. I don't know what I'm getting in Luke Getsey. He was a first time play caller last year. They weren't great. They didn't have a lot of talent, but they weren't great. Defense, they were terrible.

And I think you're right. They've hit the Nadir. I think there's a reason to be excited. They better have. I love that Chase Claypool, instead of trying to be a savior, is like a three. And I kind of like Tyler Scott, their fourth round pick, kind of getting in the mix is a nice four, and you have Cole Commet. So now, you know, maybe Chase Claypool is your three or your four,

Behind DJ Mord, behind Mooney. The offensive line's definitely better. It's more of the defense that I'm concerned about. Up front, they're not great. And Iber Fluse didn't show anything. I'd like to see a little bit of schematic advantage if you're a defensive coach and they were the worst defense in league. And Bears fans will say, oh, they had no talent.

Like some other teams had no talent too. And they were closer to okay. So I like them, but I think two things can be true. They're getting better. They're more exciting. And I don't like the fact that they have the same over under win total as the pack. and only one less than the Vikings. I don't see those three as close.

You've got to show it to me a little bit. I think they are, and I'm with you because I've talked about this, and I talked about it with Adam Rank, a huge Bears fan on his Bears podcast, that they do check all the boxes for a team that's going to make a big jump and potentially contend in that division, which as much as everyone's gassing up the Lions, would it shock you if that's a very tight division in December

with no team running away with it? it would not shock me at all. That said, are they maybe the fool's gold pick for the team where everyone says they're going to be better? Because you do need the defense to figure out something and be more competitive. And then you are putting a lot on Justin Fields, a quarterback who's dynamic and exciting, but has had some issues with injuries himself. And as a passer, there's still room for growth. I love that they have added weapons.

I love that Fields will enter a season healthier with a better offensive. line. But there is a way and you don't have to squint that this doesn't work out and coaching is a part of it too. There's a concern there. I need Iber Fluse

to have some type of like spicy fun fact that drops this summer during training camp. We need that. I just need a little more personality out of him and then maybe

I'll be more of a believer. Some texture. He's quite tall. Spicy food stays spicy for the most part. They call him Fluth his friends. Fluse.

It's pretty good. That's okay. My thing is, if they get to seven wins, that's more than doubling their win total. That'd be, to me, a big jump. That's still a double-d-jit loss. That's going from three to seven. That'd be a big jump, but you still be on the under and you still, you know, wouldn't be a contended. Oh, my God, this is going to be my cults.

Don't let it in. Don't let it in. There's concerns here, Connie. Don't let doubt creep in. They hit the Nadeer. They definitely hit the Nadeer. They hit the Nadeer, though. You can't say they did it.

And I do love, they open the season at home against a. Packers team in transition big Fun game. Week one is big for everybody. For the Bears. If they can get out a week one with a big performance and everyone's fields lights it up and DJ Moore has 120 yards receiving, man, that could set you on a trajectory.

They did beat the 49ers. What are you looking at? We have a panel of glass here and there's like a school group watching us and I feel like I'm about to faint so I hope that happens in front of a school group. Is it Chrissy Stapleton? Is it Inglewood High School? Yeah.

They're here in the building And they just want to take a look at you, Mark, specifically On a field trip This is why Mark is sweating This would be a bad episode to faint If like 14th school children saw you Could change their lives Why is that man in the park

Sweating so much? I'm having a weird day O is for overkill Actually, you know what I do this? Overkill Okay This according to awful announcing I like that site

I read that site, a fair bit. Old school blog. Mm-hmm. Back in the day. Jim Nance, here's the headline, says he and Tony Romo could call nine Kansas City Chiefs games this season. Here's the quote from Nance. This is what it used to be like. Back in the Brady Belcheck days, Phil and I would do eight or nine Patriots games a year.

I want to say to that, is that the right way to use your number one team? is there a case to be made that you don't essentially make the chiefs and whoever they're playing the focus of your top one team, not just your top announcers, but also your top production team and all that. Is there a better case to be made for spreading it out, Connie? And give them, of course, you're going to cover plenty of cheese, but you want to spread out your number one team across the landscape. If the chiefs are as good as we always expect them to be in the playoffs, cover all the chiefs you want during the AFC. that side of the postseason.

But let's, we don't need to do it the way we've always done it. Changing things up. The wizard is still wizardry. But if the chiefs are the best team, don't you want your best team on it? Not really, though, because there's so many exciting players and teams across the landscape. I guess how many times, Mark, do we need to hear Tony Romo talk about how Patrick Mahomes is a wizard? He's out of ways. Is this a Romo?

It's been on Mark's radar for you. Absolutely. because I think it's been seasons in a row where I feel like Tony Romo, who's maybe literally overly critiqued in general at this point, like let's find a little bit better things to do with our time.

But like he runs out of stuff to say about Patrick Mahomes like we all do and it's like I don't need them to do nine Chiefs games. I think also for them it's not a great exercise to do the same team over and over. I just feel slight exhaustion when it's the same subject matter

time and time again. Tony almost seems bored these days because he's doing the same thing. It's Ground Dog Day in that booth. I mean, I hear you. But if you're picking different games just so that your guy making $30 million a year doesn't get bored, it's too much. He's not making $30. It's like, how about just be a pro?

How about us, though, as the fans, don't you want to hear it? You have other guys in the booth. Maybe you'd like to hear what their thoughts are about the Chiefs. Sure, but nobody's going to be more prepared to talk about the Chiefs than the guys who are only covering the Chiefs pretty much. I agree, too. And when you're a Patriot, when it was Sims and Nance for all those games, there's an absolute fatigue for the fans, too.

It's like I heard Phil Sims' Bill Belichick stories so many times that after a certain point, you're right. Yeah, I think you run out of content. In the course of one season where they're doing nine games, there's going to be a week where they do that back-to-back at something. I mean, how many times did you hear Romo last season go like, Jim, I can't believe it. my homes,

I'm out of things to say. Well, then find someone who has something to say. Right. When it's the bills, when it's Bengals, late in the season. Editor's note, he never said that.

I do love that they set the bills and Bengals games up in December for the Chiefs. Because to me, that is getting back to what Jim Nance is talking about, whether it was Patriots Colts, whether it was 49ers Cowboys in the Day.

To me, Bill's Bengals, Chiefs, that's that right now. And I want Nance and Rome on those. But you're absolutely right. When it's earlier in the season, it's like at Vikings, they're set up for a 125. Yeah, we don't need that. Like Chargers, let's give that to Enneville Network or something.

Chief Chargers is always pretty good, though. That's true. That's often a part of time. What? What? P. Gregg. All right, P is for the panic pivot.

And that's what I won't have to do today. So the panic pivot, if you're a fan of the glossary going back. It's like, we don't necessarily plan what we're going to do ahead of. It's up like 17 hours ago. I'm just making things like. It's what happens, you know, if someone took your topic already, you've got to do a panic pivot. Panic pivot.

And you're going to come up with a whole new way to spin that word. I'm not going to have to do the panic pivot because I'm taking the Raiders who have been in the news. I wanted to revisit the Raiders. To me, this was a hot topic. So it's a regular old pivot. I'm just letting the audience know what a panic pivot is. Power pivot.

That's part of the glossary. Somebody is getting, someone's just been put in a tough place. that's what I was looking for. I kind of wanted someone to... Power pivot into a panic pivot for Sessler. I thought that L already covered the Raiders, though, if I remember correctly from our last episode. Was an L for loss?

He's prepared, folks. There's a reason to be on the Raiders beat, and I know where you're going with this, and this adds some context to where we were with the Raiders on the last step. More news has happened since we talked. I also wanted to revisit them because Mark put them in a body bag and, like, threw them into a river,

and it just might not have any Raiders fans left That got on to Good Morning football I was told this morning. Oh, my God, that's amazing. How about you get on to Good Morning Football? They use the content from the show? Apparently, yeah. But you know what, Mark deserves a little credit

because I'm guessing you asked for that social clip and then they see the social clip or the social team put together the social clip and then they see that and then they put it on Good Morning Football. We'll have to do an autopsy, a full life for this. So they used a clip from our show on their program? That's what I was told. I didn't witness it with my eyes,

but someone in the newsroom informed me of that when I walked there's no reason to doubt. I don't doubt. Jeremy Bergman or whoever it was. You know what it makes it feel? I want Mark, if they like that clip, bring Mark on the show. Dan, Greg, all the guys. Well, that's very early in the morning. Totally fine with how they handle it. Welcome to my

regular season. So we're revisiting the Raiders because of this Devante Adams story and another one that I'm going to throw out. But Devante Adams said a very interesting quotes to The Ringer. It was a really good article. It's by Marine Fader, I believe.

believe it was her name. She wrote this great book on Janus, too. She's, she's one of the best sports writers out there. So check out the whole article, because I think it deserves to be read in context. But the part that got people's attention was him saying him in the front office aren't seeing eye to eye right now, that they kind of talk to him about what they were going to do with this offseason. And they think the route they're going is the best bet to be urgent, but he doesn't quite agree with that. He said, I'm going to have to buy into this and try to be as optimistic as possible. It's not what I expected to have. happen, but it's something that's the reality.

And I'm like, what is he talking about exactly? I guess bringing in Jimmy G. That's part of it, because he's kind of a deep threat. And Jimmy G's a very short thrower, a dink and dunk kind of thrower. And then Adams does later say it depends on the style of ball we play. If we play a certain brand of ball, I can get Garapolo to conform to whatever. I like that. But if we use him a certain type of way, and I'm reading into this the way that they're going to use them,

then it's going to make us tough to maximize who we should be this year. That's compelling. So I went and looked at like around these quotes, what else was happening. And he went out of his way to sort of say, he doesn't know Jimmy G. And everyone that's come out of the woodwork to tell Devante Adams, he's a great leader. You're going to love him. So it wasn't like, there wasn't animosity. No, no.

But these were really strong quotes, I thought. And like the first thing that came to mind and the reason that I was going to use it for my upcoming letter was that you're going to have to panic pivot. Yeah, he is. I already told you yesterday, like I have contingency plans because I knew this. what happened. Oh, so, yeah. But I will say, I think that I could just see a world under the Josh McDaniels system. This is my issue with the Raiders little.

I think Josh McDaniels is a bit of a tough guy to get along with for certain players. I wouldn't be surprised if Devante Adams is somewhere else by the end of the season. I just think if it gets, if it just grows more and more cantankerous, it's like what's the long-term plan with Devante Adams? I had this as one of mine too. So I'm totally under control pivot coming up later. It's a panic pit. Try to pretend it's not opinion.

Because it was for W, so I'm totally under control. I got so much time. I think there are three pound the table Hall of Fame wide receivers active right now. Tyreek. Justin Jefferson is obviously a little more of a projection, but he's special and we know it. And Devante. And I'm with you. I feel like right now, he made that other point.

I don't know if you said it, that he was like, this isn't that whole thing where it's like, I came here to be cute with. with Derek, like that was the narrative, the dominant storyline going in to last year. Oh, how all these college best friends are now playing together. Like, he came there to be on a contender and win a Super Bowl. Yeah. And also show that he could do it without Aaron Rogers. He did it.

He showed he could do it without Aaron Rogers. Um, but he's not on a team that's close to a Super Bowl. So yeah, would it, would it be shocking if he was on the move? No, I don't think it'd be shocking at all. He is a fascinating, uh, uh, chip to dangle at the trade deadline for, a team that wants to get over the hump, especially maybe a team where their quarterback has a lot of familiarity with

the wide receiver and maybe they have a little bit of a hole in their wide receiver room. You guys could put that together. I don't know who that might be, but it's something to watch. I agree. I was kind of fascinated by the fact that he said that this was the first year, meaning last year, that he would have cared if he didn't get that

all pro nod because his whole goal was to just show everyone that like he was the guy and that he had been overshadowed by Aaron Rogers in Green Bay all of these years. And he's a, his friend that was quoted in the article was saying like he's getting used to be in the face of the franchise, which is a little different. And that's probably true right now.

He is a, he is their leader. He is their best player. He's also like incredibly intelligent and is good in front of a microphone and everyone respects him. But the part that I guess maybe you have to give McDaniel some credit that he said that they kind of involved him in these moves that they made, they talk to him at least. And they don't see eye to eye, but it was like, It sounded like what we want, which is mature adults actually talking about the direction of the franchise,

and there's some disagreement, and he's saying it in a respectful way here publicly. So I don't think there's any screaming, like, headline or anything. It's getting aggregated in a somewhat disrespectful way to what he was actually saying, but that's part of it. But part of it was there's this other thing out there, and our coworker, David Carr, retweeted it yesterday. And I have to admit, I was not familiar with the source that he retweeted. It's a man named Hondo Carpenter who works for s.i.com. And it's like a fan site, but he is there asking questions and is part of the media, Hondo Carpenter.

And he says that he thinks Hunter Renfro is not going to be on this team. That he thinks that something could happen post June 1st. And I'm thinking, why would it happen post June 1st? Like they could just predate it if they wanted to cut them. But that would be a trade post June 1st. And this guy who has been around the team and says this is what he's hearing. and our friend Derek, David Carr is wondering, hmm, maybe we can get old Hunter over to New Orleans.

That's why he was tweeting about it. But it's just something to watch because Hunter Renfro would have trade value. And then if like Devante knows a little bit about that, maybe that informs it. It's all just interesting. Little thorny. Let's take a break and then move on. What's up everybody?

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I have a little something on the Pittsburgh Steelers. So Q is for QuizMe this. Why are we sleeping on the Steelers? Why are we acting as if the Steelers are nothing more than a side piece in the AFC? a plant being destined to produce only dark fruit. When the Steelers will win 11 or 12 games and ship all memories of Big Ben deep into the world of yesterday, there is no more Big Ben.

Big Ben is days gone by, horse and buggy. Big Ben is a texture mill in central Oklahoma. Big Ben is a parabolic Mike along the interstate. The Steelers will win a playoff game at the very least. In middle December, Mike Tomlin will march into a dive bar in Moon Township and buy the entire house a cocktail of their choice. They will laud him as a king. 25 cartons of Chinese food will be brought in.

General Sal's chicken, various chalmanes, platters of white rice, and then the tavern will quiet as a young child named Wedgley stands atop the bar and reads from a fortune cookie. Lucky numbers, 7, 21, 36, 49, 55, fortune. Animals will be able to speak telepathically with their owners by 2049. My Fortune, Steelers, 12 and 5, AFC title game. Seacrest out. Put that on GMFB.

That was not your panic. The whole thing. The fortune cookies, all of it, Kyle. Let's put that on the show. Get Wedgley on. Yeah, Wedgley on. I'm going to say early in the show, as early as possible. He'll be awake.

He'll be awake and away. You're perfect for good morning football. I feel strongly that the Steelers are being massively overlooked. You want to go telecast nine Chiefs games? I think the Steelers, when they have an off year, Mike Tomlin wins nine games. Right. I guess my only thing was like, I would not want to watch a ton of Steelers games in the number one slot on CBS. I don't find them to be exciting. You know, I also don't, I don't see it in this conference, like a path to 12 wins.

But is Kenny Pickett a star? In this equation, I think that we get year two of Kenny Pickett, who, I mean, I thought down the stretch. Because he's got to be kind of like close to a young star caliber. Yes, I think he is the perfect fit for Pittsburgh. He might not be somewhere else, but there's something about the whole thing. And I thought it was just super clutch late in games when it mattered in November and December. And we saw improvement. And it's like he made Mitch Trubisky a complete memory.

I keep thinking about that Christmas Eve game against the Raiders, where Kenny Pickett through, I think it was Pickett to Pickens. You were there, right? Yeah. And that game was so exciting. And the Steelers, like the Raiders lost that game 27 different ways. but then Kenny Pickett had some juice with the offense and Najee Harris and I kind of like what they have going on there. They're not the most exciting team on paper, but they could be.

I like their draft. They've addressed the offensive line. We talked about that after the draft that get back to being the Steelers and see if Najee Harris is really worth what you invested in him in terms of as a producer. What do you think, Reggie? I love what Mark's selling here. To me, I don't know if they're going to win a lot.

11 or 12. The trick is I like all these AFC North teams on paper. Yeah, where do you get 12 wins if they're playing with the ring? And it can't work out that way. But the over, under, I might feel the strongest

on it and the entire division would be them over eight and a half. Like, I agree that that is underselling where they are in their development, that they should be looked at. And I think I'll be putting them in the playoffs as well.

So I'm... I mean, they won nine last year. Eight and a half, you said. Loving eight and a half. I would bang me over on that. Yeah. I think nine or ten feels right 12 is a little rich

but this is the game you play you have to say this now and so when it doesn't happen no one remembers but when it does I'll make them remember just a quick look at the before we move on so you got Cincinnati coming off they're at 11 and a half a 12 win season they're still going to be great the Ravens got Lamar and added to the

wide receiver room nine and a half we like the Ravens the Browns we just talked about the Browns as a team that if Deshawn Watson Bounds is back at all they're nine and a half too so they're at the same level over under as the Ravens this can't have See where, like that we have everyone in the, I predict that like two of these four teams we're talking about are going to flatline due to chaos that we don't see happening. It can come close though because we mentioned it on the schedule release show.

They play the AFC South out of division and the NFC West, which, you know, it's got a couple good teams, but the Rams and the Cardinals might not be so great. This is going to play out very well for yet another one seed for the Chiefs because while they get to beat up on the Raiders and the Broncos and torture the Chargers. I feel like the AFC East is just so competitive they're going to cannibalize themselves a little bit same thing with the AFC North where I think 10, 11 wins probably takes that division in the South

I'm not ready to take seriously as a real entity in terms of the playoffs I think that will depress the win totals of the teams because I do think you're right there's always a chance one or two these teams tank but right now they all look pretty competitive

with quarterbacks Well they had a 9, 10 and 12 win team a year ago so it's you know business as usual Yeah. Okay. Quiz me this. That was a good one because you could just slide it.

You slid out. You could put anything in the quiz me this. Slid it out. Like the way that a professional operates here is that I actually had that entry in three different letters. Like no, I just, wherever it, wherever it happened. That is smart. Smart. I got very distracted reading about the Steelers new secret offensive coordinator assistant,

Glenn Thomas. So maybe that's something that you guys need to put on your radar. I remember when Matt Canada, who's their in peril, OC that no one likes, was once kind of the secret offensive assistant that was helping the former offensive coordinator until they got rid of him and lifted up Canada. You have some Canada anti-Canada takes, too, don't you? I did in the middle of last season, but I warmed up to him a bit. I'm not a big Canada guy.

All right. Up next, R. Connie. R. Rich. That's where I'm going here, as in I'm waiting to see when Joe Burrow and Justin Hurry. Herbert get that quarterback money. They both have these two years left on their deals, but now that Lamar and Jalen Hertz signed theirs, there's some more comps to work with for the front offices. Joe Burrow says that he's pretty clear on what he wants in the negotiations that are

going on right now. The Justin Herbert talks are pretty quiet, but I'm really interested to see how, what the years are on both of these deals, because Jalen and Lamar both signed five years. deals. I think that these, both of these, the Bengals and the Chargers, both of these franchises, are owned by families that I think that they're going to want to push the years hard on these deals. So I'm interested to see where the years land and where the money lands for both of these guys. And the guaranteed money, because you mentioned it, I don't think these teams have as much cash as others because of the nature of their ownership. We went through

the whole escrow thing. We don't need to talk about escrow. But it's kind of like for these fan bases. All right, Chargers, Bengals, let's be grown-ups. Let's just take care of this. I think both quarterbacks are so low-key. They don't want to have any big drama publicly. But there was some talk in Cincinnati. It's like forever that was Paul Brown Stadium, remember? They just wouldn't get a naming right. And the whole idea of them getting the naming rights was literally like looking ahead to this Joe Burrow contract. Like, oh, we better we better sell it to Accresure. I don't know. Is it Accur? Who's Accurion. I think it is. Accure is in the mix.

Pittsburgh. That is Pittsburgh. Don't they have to have more guaranteed money than Lamar Jackson? Paycor Stadium. Don't you have to pay these guys more than Lamar Jackson? Right. So, and Patrick Mahomes, who signed that 10-year contract, which was interesting, is probably going to get a new contract this offseason two,

like a restructured one where he gets more than Jalen Hertz, too. So it's all, that's a fun one to watch. Spicy. Whoever gets, yeah, who gets more? That's good. Who's the highest paid player in the league? That's how this ends, right? I think it'll be.

It always does. Mahomes. Well, yeah. Let's see. S, that's me. Spoon. Perhaps the most underrated rock band of its era, all things considered. Everyone likes Spoon.

Greg, they just don't know it all the time. We were just talking about it. Yes. They have a song called The Underdog. I don't know if you guys know it. You probably do. You're like, oh, I liked the song. You didn't know.

It was Spoon. It was featured prominently in one of those Spider-Man movies. With the new guy. Yeah, I'm not aware. Not Andrew Garfield. Oh, yeah, with the tall girl's boyfriend. Yeah, I like that. We're really talking like middle-aged.

You know the kid. You know the tall one with the glasses. I don't track Spider-Man. He goes around with him. Boyish charm, charisma for days. Very good actor, young actor. Anyway, that leads me to the Arizona Cardinals. They are the ultimate underdogs entering 2023.

You ready for this? Here's a stat. The Cardinals have opened as underdogs in all 17 games this season per draft kings. Ladies and gentlemen, am I going to do it? He's going to do it. Is there an 0 and 17 possibility in Arizona? Oh, that's dark. I think that's so tough to achieve.

And yet your team did it and almost did it again. it's possible. They did. I would say this. Like it's, let's say there's a world, and I think this is very possible, where they start out terribly, and Kyla Murray, it's just sort of agreed that we're not going to put Kyla Murray into the middle of a car crash. And so you've

got a combination of Colt McCoy, if he's even able to play at this point, David Blau, Jeff Driscoll, a quarterback. So that's the roadmap to not win games and to get destroyed. And I think they're the one clear team that, like, has a reason to get the number one pick and has

a reason to not put Kyla Murray in in week 12 and try to win a few meaningless games down the stretch. So it's possible. They're the first team I'd say. Yeah. I think it's possible because of the out-of-division scheduled. So you're at Washington, say, week one. Like that should be a somewhat winnable game, but if Colt McCoy's starting, it's less winnable. I mean, as much of a mess they were at the end of last season, they were in all those games and they won some of them. Do they win that Atlanta game? No, Atlanta won at the end. But like, you look at their schedule, and in each site I go to on the side,

it's like tickets as low as blank. And usually for most teams, it's like $150, $234. And with the Cardinals, it's just like $20, $25, $35. Like, you can get in if you're into the Cardinals this year, you can get into the building. I wonder if there'll be a team that is like so, that goes so sideways that it's actually fun. to watch at a certain point. Like it comes back around. It goes so far haywire and so it just becomes comical at that point.

I mean, that's if they get the Carson Wentz signing done. Yeah. They got a wild of Carson Wentz is on this team. In at Houston, week 11. You're right. It's not, it's like not the craziest thing.

And unlike the NBA, which just had the lottery, you know, you get that worst record. You get that one pick. And if you listen to the, draft people, the quarterback draft people, some people like Drake May more than Caleb Williams.

So this is a year where I think there's going to be two quarterbacks people absolutely love, and there'll be a lot of motivation to get to the bottom. Here are some great spoon songs if people want to check it out. Wild, which is one of my favorite songs the last couple of years. Anything you want, the underdog, as I said, you got your cherry bomb, do you, sister Jack, inside out. I turned my camera on.

I think that was in the pilot. That's a lot of songs. You're named a lot of songs. The way we get by, it's a great band. But as we were talking about, it's a band. You hear the song, and you're like, oh, yeah, I like this song. Who is this? And then someone goes like, oh, it's spooned.

And you're like, I always like that. I always like Spoon. But then you don't follow up and actually listen. That's been my experience. I wonder if that's impacted their bottom line in a really egregious way. And it's probably very frustrating. But shout out to Spoon. Speaking of Spoons, you remember Mark back in the day?

We're coming up on the year anniversary of one of the most famous questions in the history of around the NFL to Kvon-Tibato, the Giants defensive end. Let's listen in. You know, you've just gotten to know Brian Daibald, your new coach. Would you, just instinctually, do you think he's more of a front spoon or a back spoon when he is spooning someone? I don't, I answer those type of question. That's a tough one.

That's a tough one. I mean, there was this decision because just like right now, I was staring at, you know, my laptop and it'd come up with a variety of questions for him. And we had talked to him before, and I thought that, you know, he was going to be game for. He was a humorless boob. Yeah, but that wasn't the case prior. No, he was great. We were friends. We were famous.

When Greg was here, everything was under control. I connected with the youth. I was like, looking, I had a decision. And I was like, I know this is not going great. I make the decision to ask this question or pivot off to something. to panic pivot to something much more mundane. I was like, well, no, of course we're asking this question. It was the right move.

As a journalist, it was the right move. And you know, there were some events that came after the fact, after that interview, that the public got an eye on some things for that young man that maybe he does, you know, he could stand to rethink some decisions. Put it that way. I do love, as part of that clip, before, it's like, Tibito barely had the words out of his mouth. And Dan's just like, oh, yeah, that's a hard question. It's like, man overboard.

It's like, let's throw Mark from the boat. Well, no, you have to see his face. You have to see his face as the question is being asked. Because it was like a slow motion car crash from my seat. I was like, oh, no. And then front spoon or back spoon is, I've never really heard it describe that way. It's usually big or little. Right, I did not describe back.

I actually agree more with front or back because in certain worlds, like the back person could be a smaller person, I'm the smallest big spoon you will ever meet. Right, but you can play that role. I don't like being a little spoon because I feel claustrophobic. It's not surprising. I don't think he necessarily likes it. Greg pilfer is poison.

I wasn't throwing you under the bus. I was trying to like, it was going poorly. I tried to pivot out of that. Yeah. We were, we got through that together. I know. That's all I'd say about that. Because there's another, it was like another fleshy, like 17 or 18 minutes to that.

Jesus. Like this guy over here. I don't know about that question. I didn't do that I didn't do that It was a tough one though But I had like a 25 minute conversation I remember being in my car after that

Like just like trying to figure out What it just happened Yeah what it was like a bomb it dropped I do there is a part of me that always Has thought We got to bring him back I think so Now I just called him a humorous boob

That could be an issue But if it gets back to him But he was And maybe if he's on the show again With Greg most importantly vitally Yeah He'll be back in, you know, better spirits.

Big opportunity for him. More playful. Yeah. You'll have to ask him again, obviously. Yes. Now that you know, now that you know. That is a great call. Let's say it goes great.

And he's like flying with us. And then one last question. It's on. Like we didn't really get the answer last time, but we've been wondering the last couple of years. Maybe you change your mind. You do answer those questions now. T. Greg.

All right. My word is a truculent. defined as eager or quick to argue, aggressively defiant. Have you been called this? No, but I think that could be accurate on some cases. The sentence described, you know, they use an example sentence. It was his days of truculent defiance were over. But let me tell you, mine are just starting.

It's truculence off-season. Let's hear some things this off-season maybe that will inspire truculence. Or just to kind of like get familiar. you're worth the words. Roman Roy right now. Love that guy. I don't care what he does. Truculent as hell.

I mean, he's chucking. There's something there, by the way. I think maybe you see yourself. I think Craig sees himself. I hope not too much, but I just think he's a great. Because he's like a monster on the show now? Craig's eyes just sparkled on you guys. He's a funny monster.

I've always been a Kieran Colkin fan going back to Igby goes down. I think he's just a great actor. But he cracks me up. I think he nails that whole thing. He's an enemy of democracy. Well, now, yeah. With the political stuff, it's been less funny that he's trying to ruin the country. No spoilers, though.

No spoiler. Catch up. Catch up. All right, anytime like any reporter or analyst or someone on Twitter tries to draw any meaning whatsoever from OTAs and mini camps that go beyond injuries, that will make me truculent. Like, it doesn't matter. I saw some of that with your boy, Anthony Richardson recently. He's like, oh, the spirals are unbelievable from those. kid.

I can't. Relax. Just, yeah. I think the Rams are going to get truculent when anyone says rebuild. This is on my radar. They're going to be very sensitive if they're not rebuilding. When you cover like eight teams with one letter,

you're just scattering me. I'm being scattered left and right. But they're just one sentences. I'm going to revisit one of these teams. I feel the necessary team. I think the important thing is people leave this show understanding what truculent means. After my pursuit, uh, disaster.

the other day. It is getting hairy right now. Do you step on one more Sessler topic? I have like, I have four more. Bears fans. We could double up a little. It's like Bears fans, anyone, time anyone points out how little Iber flus

added to the defense or like even there's like a note of caution. Didn't she point that out earlier? Yeah, I think Bears fans, that they'll get truculent. Deshawn Watson or anyone associated with the Browns will get truculent. If anyone dares mention the reason he missed the season and a half and like he didn't go to jail man it's america like they get very truculent it's a bit of a blanket on the entire fan base like you can't mention it uh sean pey and if anyone mentions he was

the broncos fourth choice to be head coach oh i think that's got to come and then bill belichick not truckingling at all this is bill bellichick's season he's so happy in the off season i think he loves this because how can you tell oh actually his he's like wearing the shorts he's spinning the whistle. Was everyone a negative spin except for the Patriots one? Is that how to split? Yeah. He's spinning the whistle. In the press conference, he's at ease. He's like, he still loves football. I don't think he loves

losing and the stress of the season, but this is his time. He's just like teaching. He's a coach, like he's a teacher, and he's just like in a great mood. I bet a lot of coaches are like that. This is where the pressure isn't on them at all and they just have the ability to do what they love without

peering eyes and all that. They could just swing the whistle swing that big old whistle. Hope I didn't make you panic pivot. No, I'm not, like I know where I'm going. Let's take a break and finish us out. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

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We've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, we're back. Mark, you. I want to mention one of the teams that Greg did. reference. So I'll say you is for underrated. I'm asking a question. I'm not sure. Is it possible where sort of blanket level underrating the Rams? I just wonder because when I read like

what Jordan Rodriguez describes what the team is doing, like there is an incredible youth movement occurring. So and Sean McVe decided to stick around through this. Like I wonder if it's a gateway to see that we're maybe underrating the powers of Sean McVeigh in general, like to coach up like a super young roster that still has a star quarterback, arguably the best wide out, and the finest

defensive player in football. Little top heavy, but there are pieces. Or, like, to your rebuild truculency, like, do they get to a point in the season and be like, or even the offseason and say, actually, this doesn't all fit together the way that we thought.

And Matthew Stafford and others, are out the door by Halloween if a team needs a quarterback or someone else. And it does become a full rebuild. I just wonder how they view themselves because they seem to be more confident in who they are and what they are than I feel about them looking at the roster. If I'm Sean McVeigh and I guess less need, I'm loving this setup right now because no one, like you're saying, thinks they're worth the damn right now. Everyone thinks the bill came due and they were terrible last year.

they're just going to not be competitive this year either. And I think that's a little, yeah, that's a blanket statement just to assume a lot went wrong for them last year. I mean, a lot. And it's even under the best circumstances, returning after winning a Super Bowl is a very hard task for teams. So now you get past that hangover thing. You get all the terrible injuries. You got a fresh start there. And I think what they're trying to do, Connie, a little bit, is thread the needle.

I think they know they're not a powerhouse maybe internally. But I think they look at it. And they say, you know what, with this core, with these superstars we still have in the building, there's a path to 10 wins here and being a relevant team and playing in the postseason and then who knows what happens. Sure. And it's not crazy to me. I guess at this point, they're a team that could be looked at as playing with house money if they do exceed expectations because the expectations are so low. But even just pulling up the death chart and looking at who's there, the defense especially, like, yes, they have Aaron Donald. but it's a lot of names that really are not big names at all.

And you have Jalen Ramsey gone now, too, with the secondary. I mean, their corners are Robert Rochelle and Darien Kendrick. Like, there's a lot of names that aren't household names. And sure, Cooper Cup could come back from this injury and be great with Matthew Stafford. But I'm just, I'm not really buying it. I don't know if they can do it. to the point of what you were saying, though, Mark, right? Is that this has to be for that building.

They're like, we like some of these young guys. We're excited about coaching them up. And people don't think we're going to be able to turn these guys into players. But I think they probably do. Yeah, they signed a ton of undrafted guys, too. I just think it's more, it's not that this is this 11 win season in hiding. I think it's just that maybe they feel like the plan is not just, this is a throwaway year. We're not the Arizona Cardinals.

There's maybe a lot more going on here in like a weakened NFC. And I just want to, I think it's kind of like we've seen. Sean McVay coach, a star-studded team, and we saw the result. But, like, this is a different version of it. For some reason, this Rams journey is more interesting to me than the sort of, like, prepackaged Super Bowl team that was foisted upon us by the entire NFL. You know, I could see them almost as, like, a lions of last year, because we saw, we watched Hard Knocks, and, you know, of course, our expectations are always high after Hard Knocks,

but there was a lot of names that we didn't know how they could play or what they would be like in the NFL and how they would play together. and then they came together and exceeded expectations. So maybe that's what the Rams do. Right. And I don't think they were happy with their coaching staff last year. They bring in Mike LaFleur, their O.C. They're asking a lot of Rahim Morris.

The problem is I think they're over under six and a half, one of the lowest in the league. I think they think they can beat that. I think they think their recipe is we can be a legit good offense, like a top seven or eight offense with these veterans. And the defense, like Rahim Morris, like we are asking a lot out of you, man. We know we're not giving you much talent,

but can you just make them respect? expectable enough for this offense, which has a lot of veterans. I mean, we say they're a young team, but like Stafford, Higby, Acres, Haventstein, Note Boom, Cup, Jefferson. Those are all Super Bowl starters, essentially. You said six and a half? Six and a half. I'm banging the over.

I would, too. It's just not a very good conference. Bang it. That's true, too. I don't know. I think six and a half feels about right. Bang me under there. You're saying that's an 11 lost team.

Okay. I'm sure McFey is saying, yeah, go ahead. Good point. They won five in a total bottom-out situation. That's a good point. Up next is Colleen with the always difficult letter V. V is for votes and vetoes. We have the owners meetings coming up next week in Minnesota.

And one of the things they will be voting on is whether or not Amazon, those TNF games late in the season, can be flexed from Sundays to Thursdays to Thursdays. Thursdays, which I think is super interesting. Goddell was pushing this in Phoenix a couple months ago. They had 22 votes. They need 24 votes, so they just needed to get two more for this to go through. And I mean,

it turns out when you're paying $1.2 billion, you can get better matchups. Yeah. 1.05 billion you could do it too. You lose me on the math and the decimal points. So, yeah. I mean, I think that it's tough to

to move any games in and out of Thursday because it's so early in the week, but they'd be able to do this with a 15-day advance notice, so teams would know ahead of time whether or not they'd have a short week or maybe they're getting out of a short week. Truth? I like any flexibility that allows us to not get stuck with like a stink bomb on Thursday night late in the year. I think the teams and the players have to feel very differently about it.

I think in a way we get to a point where they're just being moved around the board for our pleasure and like from a health standpoint and a planning standpoint they're the they take the yell I feel like we we've come a long way in terms of like comfort as in like a Western society

I can live with like a stinker of a Thursday night game here and there like I think we can accept that maybe Amazon can't hence the billions but if you give me like four three total stinkers on a Thursday night just don't watch it you don't want to watch it was it Broncos Colts last year on Thursday

That's happened to overtime and there was no touchdown. That was early, though. That's what I mean. You can't prevent that. That looked like a good matchup. As Al Michael said, schedule's a little leaky last year. Love that. A little leaky.

But that part of it was because Russell Wilson was so heavily involved in so many prime time games. A little bit leaky. Who's up? I'm up. Time for a poised pivot. Uh-oh. W. You went down the Amazon path, too.

that's true no I'm asking if you that what caused you to have to pivot oh way back Devante Adams okay got you that's why it's so poised I've had time I love it the Washington football team

formerly known as the Redskins now the commanders and there is a thought now that Josh Harris and his gaggle of buddies have you know rolled in or about to roll in

why do we have to stick with commanders. Like, what's a point? Like, that was, just like we talked about, who was the, um, private pile? What was the, the pig they rolled out? Private pork. Commander. What was it?

It was. Commander Carnitas. What was it? It was. The absurd, uh, they got rid of it. They rolled out the mascot in, at halftime of their final home game, uh, months before the hot, the hot, dude. Commander Tuddy. Major Tuddy.

Major Tuddy. Major Tuddy. I've just looked that up. Yeah. Can't say Commander Carnieth is better. I mean, you can't just change the name again. Why not? I think there's provisions that prevent that, but I, why not?

But I guess you're right. I take that back. I don't like commanders. Why not? Just go back to Washington football team. I like that all along. We all liked it. Dan didn't.

He stepped in the way. It was kind of a take that was kind of like, everybody agrees. That's not good either, Washington football team. Why not? It's different. It's like other sports. So it's somehow familiar. Is it what?

Because it's like the... It's like soccer team. Yeah. Yeah. So that was kind of... It was interesting. But this is the other football. I know, but that's just,

it's just for one team. So that's kind of fun. Commanders just doesn't feel right to me. I'm not, yeah. I just think maybe that's a little cute, but it's, this is the Washington. This is Washington. I hear you, but like where...

What are the names that you want? Like, Joe Thysman had a pretty good point. Let me get at this. There's a lot of commanders in Washington. There are many commanders in Washington. Okay. And Joe was, right. And now I want to say

my take here is not that the commanders should change their name. I'm saying why wouldn't Josh Harris have the ability to? It's his team. He spent not just $6 billion, an additional $50 million on top of the $6 billion. Joe Thaisman, who once told

us about, you know what? So many throughout Washington, scattered across D.C. He says chill. Chill. I wouldn't be a fan of rebranding because we've had, you know, We've had three different names in four or five years and to go through it again.

Now, that's one side of it. I think just to change for change's sake doesn't make sense. It never has for me. But, you know, what would be the reason to change? If you think of the San Francisco 49ers, the 49ers basically speak to the history of San Francisco of what they did in Gold Rush time. When you think of the Washington, D.C. area, it's the seat of command of all military. he's right he was right then when he leaked the name which he wasn't supposed to do

and he did by the way that was grant and danny on 1067 the fan and he's right now the seat of command maybe we should call them the seats the seat of command is truly wonderful Joe um he's called on the pentagon is Joe still going to be like the kind of figurehead with the new ownership because he sort of had like an unofficial uh statesman role, which I believe was paid by the old ownership. Are there any, I know Englewood High just walked in, anybody that's a big Rams fan back there?

Anybody, Rams? Yeah, legit. Some hands that went up. A couple hands. They're not actually listening to the show. The audio might not be available. There are a couple. Eric, they're a couple. Do we want to ask one of the students, their thoughts on the Rams in

2023? I mean, that's putting them on the spot, but sure, I'm down. Eric, you mind handing over the headset? Yeah, yeah. Let's talk to the youth. Let's get connected. Yeah. Does anyone want to talk about the Rams?

This is what it's about. No sailor. They're deciding. There are roughly 44 students behind the glass right now. They're deciding who will speak on behalf of the youth of Southern California. All right, here we go. Here we go. Someone stepped up.

All right. Who we talking to? Hello, my name is Isaac Ramirez. Isaac Ramirez. What's up, buddy? you from Englewood? Yeah. All right.

And you are class of... 20, 23. All right. The best class, sorry to say. I'm just going to say that right now. I love it. I love it. Welcome to Around the NFL.

Were you aware that this podcast existed before you came into the building? Not at all. Okay. That's something we need to work on. He's honest. We need to connect. We need to connect.

All right. I'm sorry, your name again? Isaac Ramirez. Isaac. Isaac, you, as you know, the Rams have called Englewood home for several years now. What are your thoughts on the Rams entering a new season?

Excited. You're in. Yeah. You're in. All in. Because a lot of people are saying the Rams not so hot anymore. They won the Super Bowl. They were bad last year and now they should be overlooked. As an Englewood native, you're saying people got to respect the home team. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying. What has it been like for you

as high school students? So you were here, essentially, when they moved into the area, when SoFi moved into the area. Have you seen, like, Rams fandom pick up? Are you emotionally, tie? Like, what has that been like for you? Well, for me, since my last name's Ramirez, you know, I got to represent. Gotcha. Yeah.

So technically, they're my team. Just saying, just saying. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Mark, is there anything you want to share? Class of 23, your class of 91? 92.

About 4,000 years ago? Kind of looking as we spin forward. Oh, my God, that was so long ago. Do you have anything you want to share with the youth of America? I have no wisdom to offer young people on any level. Okay. What about Texas? What about Texas?

I think you're probably going to do a better job of it than I did over the course of time. So I wish you well. Isaac, what do you want to do? Actually, I'm going in the Navy. Whoa. The Navy man. In the Navy. He doesn't know that song either.

Oh, I do, actually. Oh, you do? I do. I'm not that young. Finally, finally, last question, you don't know us. What can we do to kind of get into the neighborhood and let people know that this podcast exists on any level? Well, to be fair, I don't really know anything that you guys talk about, like to that extent.

Okay, football. We're on fire. Yeah, yeah, football, like pigskin, things like that. Yeah, pigskin, that's fun. Had you ever heard the word truculent before today? Yeah, truculent. Your suit? It means eager.

or quick to argue or fight. So you can impress your Navy friends with that. The more you know, I learned that today, too. Everybody behind the glass classmates, give up for Isaac. Thank you, Isaac. Yeah, of course. Good luck with everything. Yeah, thank you.

See, I feel like we've connected with the youth. Now, whether that makes a difference in the metrics, word of mouth, you never know what could happen here. Is that the only reason you're connecting with the youth for the metrics, Dan? Correct. Well, I did notice a lot of his friends were recording that, too, on their phone. and so we could get some major social. A little soch.

A little soch bump. New audience. All right. Anything else? Are we done? No. No. We have three more letters.

I do have to go save my sick, my sick. All right. Let's roll through it here. All right. I think I'm up. We'll do it quick. Yeah, Greg's up with X. I am.

Oh, yeah. Commanders, change your name if you want, but I think follow Joe Thaisman. Whatever he says. All right. Go ahead. X. All right.

My word is Zeister. I'm not sure how to pronounce. I'm careful here. What? You're doing this again? I don't know. I asked Eric during the show if he could play a pronunciation guide of this word. It's X, Y, STR.

I saw this word, and I was like, what a word. Let's try to hear the pronunciation. Oh, okay. Zister? Let's hear that again. I don't know if I trust. Zister. I'm not sure I trust.

What is it? What does this mean? So the zister is a surgical instrument for scraping bones. Gross. And that's, I feel like the Vikings have been using a zister to the, their defense this off season, just picking it clean. Their top four cornerbacks are gone. Their top four cornerbacks last year, Patrick Peterson was one of them.

Who else? Duke Shelley, Cameron Danciler. I don't know who was the fourth. Who cares? They weren't very good. Peterson was okay. It's all a bunch of new players. You get rid of Eric Kendricks at linebacker as well.

You get rid of Zadaria Smith. And on one hand, I'm like, what is up with this defense? And then on the other, ooh, you brought in Brian Flores. That's a big upgrade. You actually can't get much worse than you were last year. So worst case scenario, maybe you're the same. You're asking Brian Flores to do a lot. You need young players like their picks last year at the top of the draft who really got no playing time.

Who was seen their first round pick who got hurt right away, Lewis, seen. And then Andrew Booth, Jr., their second round pick. So they have some young players, they have Danielle Hunter still. If they can just improve to a little bit, maybe that offense is enough to carry them and they're not a total disaster this year. Eight and a half is there over under right now. That feels fair.

But defensively, they took the zister. Isn't that kind of remarkable? And we all know 13 and 4 was weird last year, but to get banged all the way down to eight and a half. Yeah, I think that's my only pushback. We're hearing that a lot. Like, oh, Brian Flores is there now. They're going to be much, much better.

Yeah, but you've got to have players to coach up. And maybe it's the same thing in, like I was saying with L.A. They like a lot of these. They're a one-sided team. I think they're hoping their defense. They're hoping their offense can be a top 10 offense. And the O-line's pretty good. And they have weapons.

I think Addison could be a big upgrade from where Adam Thielen was a year ago. So the offense could be good. I wonder what they told Brian Flores. Because of any team in the league this offseason, it was the Vikings that have had to make like really severe moves to, they couldn't even pay the rookie class. No, that's why they had to get rid of Zedareas. That's exactly why that happened. So, I mean, if anything you have to give Brian Flores like a total mulligan, they were awful to begin with, you've taken parts away, and you're essentially putting them into a completely new scheme where probably if you're Brian Flores saying a lot of these players don't necessarily fit what I would handpick to start with. So it's going to be a long year, but to Greg, to your point, like they were literally with the worst defense in the league last year.

So if they're the second worst, he's done an incredible job metrics-wise. A lot of pressure on the offense. The offense has to be great. And then the defense, if the defense goes from, like, the 30th best defense to the 20th best this year, is that enough to get back to the playoffs? Maybe. What's that pronunciation again? Zister.

All right. Let's move on. A surgical instrument for scraping bones. Oh, surgical. I was going to ask you, is that like a butcher shop? A surgical instrument for scraping your bones off. All right. It's like an undertaker.

Is that a mortuary? All right. Anyway, Mark, why? All right, I am panic pivoting. And this time I have no backup plan, but I do have a question for you. Did you have the Vikings? I had a little bit of something there, but I'm happy to ask this question. Why is for you, for a Yolo, I guess, a term that I think I banned in the past.

This is classic panic pivot. I would ask this. The panic is, the flop sweat is building. Give me something this off season that you're going to do. to change your life before all hell breaks loose in August. Something that you vowed to do that will improve your life between now. You're throwing it back to us. Yes, I am.

That is a perfect pivot. That's a perfectly executed pivot. There we go. Okay, Colleen, you're up then. I will be figure skating more because it makes me more of a grounded person. That's a great answer. I adore that. Greg?

Dan. Okay. Panic pivot. I will be spending time with family in Texas and New York and New Jersey. Sure. Catching up with friends. And that is revitalizing to me after a long football season. So that is what I, that's how I will yolo.

Bro. Lo. Back to you, Greg. Yeah, I'll be in Japan in the hottest part of the seat year. It's about 95 degrees in humid every day. and I'll be there for a couple weeks. And I really hope to just lose a lot of water weight that way. John and I are coming with you next year, by the way.

That's my goal, too, to lose a fair amount of water weight. I'm just saying it's sweaty. Also listen to more spoon and spread the gospel of Spoon, the Austin rock band. There you go. Well, what about you? Lose water weight. I'm dead serious about that. Okay.

Some of that. Z. Colleen, close it out. Z. Last one, Zenith. I started with Nadir. I'm ending with Zenith. Very nice. And that is exactly, thank you, thank you. That is exactly where the Kelsey brothers are right now in their lives. They are living. They have never been more powerful as siblings. They were both in the Super Bowl. They're hosting, well, Travis is hosting SNL. But Jason was there too. Jason was involved in some of those bits. Exactly. They are the big get for any time, any show, any radio show, any TV show.

that's on right now. They had Kelsey Jam at the draft. Jason Kelsey was smashing beers with fans in the audience. Kelsey Jam was like a party, right? Yeah, it was a huge concert. You got invited to that, right? I didn't go. You're Philadelphia royalty.

The fact that you even got the invite and then said, no, I can't make it work, just shows you got juice. You know, you say Philadelphia royalty. I feel like I reached my zenith when last week, Andy Reid told me I have Philadelphia hair. And I was like, well, There is nowhere to go from here. I am at the top of the mountain.

And he said say hi to Gonzo during a live interview on television. Andy Reed. Did they keep that in the show? I don't know because I didn't. You were a little worried they might edit that out. What was Gonzo's response to that? I'd be on the top of the year. I don't know if he knows.

I have to tell him. You know what else? Like, relatedly, you didn't tell John. It's a busy day. A busy busy time. You told me. So that's the preference. You told me about it.

I saw you right after it happened. It was a pre-tape early in the day. One more Philly-related Zenith. Yeah. The Sixers about midway through the third quarter of game six against the Celtics. Can we not? Can we? Maybe really fourth quarter.

Not. They can't get out of that round. They can't get past the Celtics. I'm done. They're ruining Joelle M. Lambeed's career? Go ahead. Keep going.

Get it out. I'm done. I'm done with the Celtics and their stupid parquet floor. I mean, Joe, you're saying ruin in Joelle's career. I actually think it's beautiful. Hit out. It's just paint now. It's not a real parquet, but it does look nice.

It's over. It's all over. Five for 18. I mean, he's got to help himself. None of the sports in Philly ended up going all the way. So that's cool. Well, we feel for you. Why don't you come over to the.

Philly side. Me? Cess? Yeah. I'm fine where I am. I'm absolutely fine where I am. Well, fine. We don't want you then.

Never mind. I mean, you've sold it well. I'm sorry, Colleen. Not really. We've reached the zenith. We've reached the end of the Yellow Book Road. The glossary of terms, 2023 off season is complete. Thank you to everyone behind the glass.

You know, again. And also thank you to Englewood High School. Shout out. And Isaac. And Isaac. Ramirez, who is going to do some damage in the Navy. Isaac's going to go far in life because he was in a room full of people who are all just looking at each other and saying, like, who wants to take the mic?

And Isaac's like, I'm taking the mic. What's the highest level of the Navy? Admiral? Total Admiral material. 100%. There's a lot of admirals in Inglewood. Definitely are getting that wrong, right? Is it an Admiral?

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