NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2023 Week 3 Recap: WAT!?!

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap Week 3 of the 2023 season. The heroes start off with a historic game between the Broncos and Dolphins (02:59), followed by the Cowboys visiting the Cardinals (15:00) and the Chargers visiting the Vikings (22:07). After the break, Nick Shook joins the heroes to recap the Falcons visiting the Lions (32:35) and the Titans visiting the Browns (39:15). The heroes wrap up the recap with the Patriots at the Jets (46:50), the Bills at the Commanders (58:18), the Saints at the Packers (01:03:50), the Texans at the Jaguars (01:10:23), the Colts at the Ravens (01:16:26), the Bears at the Chiefs (01:21:57), the Panthers at the Seahawks (01:30:11) and finally the Steelers at the Raiders (01:35:54). Note: time codes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Heroes both. Boys, by my calculations, which is always a little, you know, a little bit of a high wire act, put it that way. That's true. This is our 174th Sunday flagship program. Don't check the math. and we've done so many now. And many of them, they float away. It's just the nature of the beast.

This is our 11th season. But sometimes on these Sundays, something happens that you'll always remember that week and that Sunday. And what happened with Miami Dolphins today and we're going to get to it in just a second, I'll always remember week three of the 2023 season. cursed however it may be from a personal standpoint

for seeing something that I had never seen previously were in a brave new world in Miami. I would say when I think about my own memory skills at this stage, I don't know if I'll remember that it was in week three a couple years from now, but I will remember it. I will. Because these beatdowns stand out as something totally unique and we were watching it happen in real time.

They covered the spread by 43 and a half points. It doesn't happen too often. Yeah, I think it was a good luck by the... Little boy. By the West Bros. That's spread in there. I thought you were going to say something happened that you never have seen before that you'll remember forever in the luxury box in Kansas City.

I thought, because that you will remember too. Is this perhaps the most memorable week three in the history of around the NFL? Perhaps. It's in the conversation. A strong candidate. And we'll end this show because we had a beefy two, heavy two, last Sunday. Two hours. We're going for a heavy three

because the final hour today we'll just be cataloging every week three since 2000. Oh, boy. A lot of work for Big Funk behind the glass and Eric just start pulling data. Yeah.

Pull a butt ton of data from the history of our show. Big Funk thought he was going out for like a nice evening martini. Don't think so. He gone. All right. Let's get to it.

Let's start. we must start, not in the luxury suite at Arrowhead, although a pretty interesting place to be. And we had a spirited conversation that I'm still trying to figure out if we could have that conversation on this show. No. I figured it out. No. Okay. Well, hold that thought. Let's start in Miami where history was made. A-Chane, the running back, chosen a flank to the right. Wake up. Ferrios in motion to pitch to A-Chane.

Oh, 40, 50, he's gone. Oh, no. Nobody's going to catch the A.G. Touched out of Miami. Well, you want to see A.C. speed at its best. One a day. The rookie out of Texas A&M has had. He just outruns everybody.

They make this extra point. They're going to 70 points on the day. In an NFL game, you don't see that. Yeah, eight minutes left. Devon A.Cain, rush for 203 yards and four scores, including the 67-yard fourth-quarter dash that allowed Miami to enter rarefied air in football history. The Dolphins scored the most points in a game

by an NFL team since 1966, destroying the Broncos 70 to 20. What? What? Give us a what, what, what, what, what, what. What, what, what? Give me another one. What?

What, what, what. What? Make it a hat trick. What? That's not Greg. That's Sean Payton. Unbelievable. Yes.

Mike McDaniel masterclass and doing it to Sean Payton, who I have to say. And otherwise, rough Sunday and what's going to be a season of rough Sundays for the old Zusser. It doesn't suck seeing Sean Payton get a 70 burger dropped on him. Yeah, so a historic performance by Miami's offense that just scored at-will, Greg, in this game. How at will? Like, just paint a picture of how often and how easily they dominated this game. Well, they didn't attempt a field goal. So, you know, 70 divided by seven.

That's 10 touchdowns. No. Stopped on downs at one point. They went for it on fourth down and they were stuffed. Wait, they scored 10 touchdowns today? They scored 10. They had over 700 total yards. They just missed the NFL record.

football's like you can't give us some data points okay I know like I want to talk about who did well but sometimes just the stats are so overwhelming the 726 yards this actually may be crazier to me than the points is the second most in NFL history the record is by the Rams in week one of 51 against a team against a team I did not know existed called the New York Yanks I mean that's not even football that's a baseball team you know what we work for the NFL close enough If we decide what the rulebook on this one, this is the record for most of those yards. Right. That's from like four earths to go.

And frankly, the 72 points, which was the regular season record, only happened in 66, which is like, that's a completely different sport. And that coach, Otto Graham, had to take a time out with two seconds left to get those final three points because he wanted the record, whereas Mike McDaniel could have kicked a field goal at the end of this. I mean, they put up 70 in 52 minutes. A few more. Okay, go ahead. You want to hear from McDaniel why he didn't choose to do it?

Sure. I try to think through all of my decisions and hold them with, you know, the importance that they do have. It felt like chasing points and chasing a record that's not what we came to the game to do. That doesn't have a bearing on the overall season outcome. and I just didn't I saw it as you know and that 10 times out of 10

you you can see kneel down in those situations because there was a there was a attainable record that was cool

but the message that I thought it would send wasn't really in line with how I view things oh he's one of a kind he really is Everything he says, he's like one of those guys were no matter what he says, it's kind of funny.

I don't know why. Well, there's a certain delivery to it. There's so many weird stats in this game. One of them that struck me was they were five for nine on third downs, good percentage. And I thought, well, they scored 10 touchdowns. They ran 70 plus plays. They only had nine third downs.

Isn't that an insane stat that you only got to third down nine times? And when you guys rewatch this whole thing, I know you saw plenty, what I think will take you is the running game that as great as a schemer Mike McDaniel is known for getting two of the ball out of his hands quick he was known in San Francisco for skiing the run game that was his whole thing and they went over

350 yards rushing and it was A-Chane and it was Rahim Moster breaking tackles it was an embarrassing performance by Denver they each ended up with four touchdowns and some of their runs were the most exciting plays in the game and it's amazing to think how we were concerned about this offensive line like oh this one they might not be talented enough and they were

blown open some big holes. And like last year despite the explosive nature of the offense the run game was not always consistent or reliable and you're right like he the reason Debo Samuel kind of became this explosive runner was Mike McDaniel and then he goes to Miami and now you're seeing the effects

again and it's like I know it's a copycat league and we're like oh this is going to be a Shanahan offense well it's a Mike McDaniel offense is completely running into its own new worlds and territory and there are things you can't duplicate. And I think they broke Denver's will out of the gate because these players are too fast. And so next gen

stats, I know we kind of make fun of this because it's like, oh, so-and-so, everyone's running 22 miles an hour. 21. But, right, the five... If people ran 22, it would be more notable. Sure. The five fastest registered times this season are all by dolphins. That's a thing. And that's a thing. You can't, like, the next team that wants

to, like, copy this scheme. Cool, you don't have those players. Let's hear from Sean Peyton, who, you know, was embarrassed, obviously, by this performance. He came out of retirement or left a cushy job at Fox to become the head coach. Obviously, he had some big words about the previous head coach and how it was the worst coaching job in the history of the game, I believe. Checkmate. And now they are 0 and 3 and just were throttial. in historic fashion, yeah, you could imagine he's not in a great mood.

I know that you said it's embarrassing, but this is kind of an historic game. I'm aware. Third time, the team has scored 70 points over 70. What's the question? What's the question? I just finished telling you. Historically embarrassing. Next question.

Hey, man, you got to wear it. You did not have that team ready to play. You know who else I want to hear from Garrett Bowles, an offensive lineman, who has been there, I believe for seven years. And I think one thing I get slept on a little bit is that the Denver Broncos had a long, long period of success. And they won the Super Bowl 50. We were there with that great Von Miller-led defense.

And they have been a bad team ever since. Here's Bulls kind of encapsulating like sneaky, dark, dark times in Denver. And it's been going on for a while. Right now, what are the emotions like going through your head personally? It's tired of losing, man. I've been here for seven years and all I've done is loss and stress rating. I mean, that's shot of him, it's from Nine News, Denver,

sitting in his locker just looking like, you know, the world is caved in it. He kind of has for the Broncos. He looked defeated. I mean, I kept thinking the fact that, like, it's Vic Fangio, Miami's new defense coordinator that the one thing the Broncos had through all their up and down

quarterback play and lost nature on offense was at times like a really great defense and it's like Vic Fangio's watching some of the players he coached get totally boat race today and it's just that's an interesting contrast. Not too many are left and Justin Simmons was out in this game

and Cream Jackson I felt like is playing hard at his age but he had a man I've been in the NFL a long time on that Tyreek Hill touchdown that started it all off where he just seems so open and Jackson tries to take an angle and Tyreek just breaks defenses because with no Jalen Waddle today

like no wide receivers other than Tyreek Hill had more than two catches. Berrios had two for 33. Wow. And they still put up 70 points. But the thing that gets me, and I wish Wes was here to talk about this Miami team because I think he would see the poetry in it

and he was very good talking about like the poetry of these of offenses that are ahead of the rest of the league. And there is something about how Tua gets rid of the ball so fast, like immediately, and yet Tyree Kill is 17 yards down the field on a second and 16. That was like the one negative play they had. The whole game was second and 16. And I swear Tua threw it in like one and a half seconds. And yet Tyree Kill is over here.

And then you see A-Chane, who I think is a national contender champion in the 200-meter dash. crazy. Moster was the fastest player in the league. And there's just something about it with McDaniel that's beautiful to watch. Like Tua who, you know, obviously a couple of months ago like he's the question mark, can he stay healthy? Is he what was, were his high marks

a year ago actually who he is or he's somewhere in the middle? It's like 23 for 26. It's that quick release. It's just what you said because week after week he's been doing that with Tyreek Hill being somewhere of a superhuman nature down the field. Your other next NFL wide receiver wouldn't be any more close to what he's doing.

You know, I think the difference is between this team and last year's team all this talk you know and understandably so is about toa and the summer can he stay healthy nobody really picked this team to make the playoffs uh in our neck of the woods i think even if mike whites has to take over i think this offense is going to hum it just seems like they are set up to do something well mike whites uh got a perfect pass already on this season two for two 67 yards you know what after the madness of last week's lock we we kind of said, okay, take the six and a half and enjoy it covered by 40.

I mean, when you get, yeah, when you win by 50, you got to give a credit. When Robbie Chosen is burning one of the best cornerbacks in league Patrick. I mean Chosen Anderson, formerly Robbie Anderson. It was Robbie Anderson. Robbie with a Y, not Robbie with an I.E. He also switched it to IE.

He was chosen Anderson, but he has switched it now this year in Miami. He's messing with us. To Robbie Chosen. Does the government ever step in and say, too many name changes? How about the NFL? Does Robbie Anderson have more different names in the last three years than catches?

And I'm not even joking. It's going to be a battle. He's averaging 68 yards per catch with a touchdown on every catch this season. You know, this game is so crazy because we've got to keep moving. I think we should make this around the NFL game of the week on NFL Plus this week. Okay. Dolphins fans, make sure you tune in because this deserves a deep dive. Hmm.

I love it. A dumpster dive if you're a Broncos fan. I mean, because it's our nature to gravitate towards for those plus games, like, you know, back and forth battles, this is just a good old-fashioned beatdown. One of the things I love the most is an old bomb drop, and that's what this is. Russell wasn't shot up to this game.

It's like, hey, I played a pretty good game. Like, I actually was one of my better games, and I just lost by 50. Unbelievable. Very crazy. And by the way, if the rolls are reversed, you know Sean Payton's going for that. Of course. He wants the record.

this is sometimes it's good to see somebody take some humble pie shovel it down shawnee shovel it down let's move up the cowboys running out of time here the clock at 315 they're going to huddle third and goal on the six they trail 28 to 16 they're going to send cooks out to the left and two receivers to the right shotgun formation for deck prescott pollard to his left 23 carries for pollard prescott the pass straight drop fires middle of the end zone off, Pysier White with the interception, and that might do in Dallas. Wow, Pysier White in the middle of the end zone. I don't know that Prescott ever saw him. Just bizarre. Just bizarre.

The Dallas Cowboys look better than everybody, save maybe the Niners in the first two weeks of the season. And they're going to Arizona to play the Cardinals, and everybody's predicting boat race. And they get spanked. They get absolutely spanked. Dack throws a miserable I&T at the end there. And even if he does get that win in through coverage,

they're still down by five, I believe, with three minutes to go or so. So, like, that just gives you an idea of a game that got away from the Cowboys who were flat and listless a few days after they lost Trayvon Diggs for the year to an ACL tear. And credit to the Arizona Cardinals and Joshua Dobbs, who come up with the 28-16 win in Glendale. Mark, this one's a hard one to figure out. NFL's weird sometimes. Well, I think things happened that you would go into the game not expecting from what we've seen,

especially from like the Cowboys defense over the last season and part of this season. They got wiped out on the ground, 182 yards rushing in the first half. Now, it was only, they only had, you know, they did what app for a rosal? Far less than that in the second half because the Cardinals didn't have the ball as much. but it's like the Cardinals came out. We've seen this two games. They'll play at least a great half. And then there was a collapse last week.

They played four great quarters this time around. And the Dallas defense and the offense never really recovered. There were plenty of past breakdowns. Again, it's Josh Dobbs, who after week one, it looked like this is a big problem for the Cardinals. Josh Dobbs just keeps making plays. And I also think that what we're seeing happening is when you've got a lot of backups, like on your offensive line and other places, penalties start creeping up. And they had 10 in the first half,

which are just the most, the cowboys. The most in the Mike McCarthy era, they were sloppy. I really think that they're missing. No Zach Martin, no Tyron Smith, no Tyler Biatish. These guys are the core of their offense, and it absolutely affected

what they could do on offense in general. And it's like, but there was a nature of this game because we watched the second half together. It's like, oh, the Cardinals are going to find a way to fall apart here. that's not what happened because this Cowboys offense that we assume is explosive. They've looked explosive. Three straight red zone drives.

All right. The first one falls apart on fourth and three on downs on an incomplete pass to C.D. Lamb. The next one, they kick a field goal after a third down incomplete pass from the eight to C.D. Lamb. The third time, it's their chance to get back into this game. Dak Prescott, terrible pick. And it's like the Cardinals just did not allow them back into this game. And it was sort of every aspect of the Cardinals team. And it's like under Jonathan Gannon, who we thought this team was like riding a tank into oblivion,

they're well-coached. They're not perfect. They don't have all the parts. But it's like we've seen them outperform every opponent at least for a half in every one of these games. And today it was for four quarters. Yeah, it's a nice win for Gannon. I think like a lot of people that the Cardinals played their hearts out the first two weeks and then had their hearts ripped out.

And then here comes the big bad cowboys. and this smelled like 3810. And yet two big runs that kind of jumped out to me. Dobbs going for 44 up the sideline right off the bat. A little bit of an eyebrow raise. Like, oh, wait a second. That was even that, just one off play. It just felt like that was strange.

And then when Rondell Moore goes 45 yards virtually untouched, you're just thinking yourself, what is going on with this Cowboys defense that has been so airtight? They were able to keep Michael Parsons in check in this game after he ran wild in the first two weeks. And, yeah, the offense was strange with Dallas because you mentioned the Prescott, I NT, which is ugly at the end. I kept waiting for C.D. Lamb to get unlocked in this game.

And I feel like that was what was missing from their attack. They needed Lamb to be Lamb and Prescott and Lamb to get on the same page, Greg. But every time they seem to need that play, it wasn't there. And you see that. They left a lot of yards on the field and ultimately enough points to lose a stunner. Right. It's a great example of something I try to remember. And then you just forget it. which is like the best and the worst NFL teams really aren't that far apart.

Like even these guys who are out there playing cornerback for the Cardinals, like Kentrell Clark came out of nowhere, like an undrafted type of guy who's just, they're trying to pick on them. They're trying to pick them over and over. But Mark, you watch this tighter closer than me. And 400 yards by the Cardinals, offense on nine drives, to me is more shocking than anything else that happened today.

Just that fact alone, that Josh Dobbs had four incompletions, and they went 400 yards. I really think Greg, we've been watching these games together on these Sundays and it's like we talked about James Connor a couple times that you kind of get the pro James Connor season

then the other one hot and cold there's been injuries there's been ups and downs he's running so hard and I think he kind of broke the will of this run defense in the first half along with the big plays you mentioned and it's like it's just ultra surprising

like you would I would have thought this would have been the game for the Cardinals where after two kind of plucky performances here comes a way. wipeout against the much more talented team that feels like a Super Bowl team. And this is if you are someone that has, and this is me, like seeds of distrust for the overall Dallas journey, like great team, good roster, they're going to find a way to fall apart.

Like, this is a very concerning Sunday for Cowboys fans. Well, losing Diggs is just so big. I know you guys hit on that, but that's something you can't come back from. I mean, you can't like get that player back. The Cardinals are sneaky becoming the team of Sestiel. I don't know if you know this. Don't say that.

I just see... They're having such a nice start. You put that bad you... No, he's just enjoying the card that they've been surprising. I'm not doing what I did. As long as you don't verbalize it. I'm not doing it to anything like that. I'm just seeing his heart of flutter, you know,

I think the thing is like... I think they're one of these teams where it's like all off season long, we think we know what they are. And they're completely different. And it's like kind of goes against everything you think about this whole concept of tanking in the NFL. It's like,

Don't tell the 20 coaches and 72 players that that's the case. It was a good Sunday. And that's why I'm not going to make too much of the Cowboys losing here. And I'm not going to go over the moon and say the Cardinals are a feel-good tail. But for one day, at least, it's very nice. This happened, though, and you're not erasing it. Not you. They aren't.

They can't do it. Won't do it. Dave Passed, by the way, KMVP with that call. And a good one. All right. Up next, the, you know, the rare, not so rare. actually, but two teams that were playoff teams a year ago in a double-wounded animal game. Oh, and 2-0-2.

And on top of that, it's the effing chargers and Vikings, the two weirdest teams in NFL history. You know it was going to get funky, and it did. Down to 20 seconds. They are losing a lot of time. Down to 15 seconds. Come on weirdo teams. Totally. Freaks.

Bad tragic. Cousins to pass to the end zone. Up in the... And intercepted! Intercepted in the end zone! Kenneth Murray! Oh, the ball was up in the air for an eternity! And Murray has the concentration to secure it.

That's Neiman who popped that up. Yeah, let's... we could fade out. Did you just fade out on Daniel Jeremiah? I like that. A nice hard fade out on the... We call him the other guy in the booth. It's untoward. But that was Matt Money Smith with Call K-Y-S-R.

I love that. After Brandon Staley completely lost his marbles, gambled needlessly on fourth down and lost, giving the Vikings a chance to steal one, yes. Interception, Kirk Cousins. After they make a bit of an odd move, Greg in that sequence as well, converting the first down. and then not spiking ball, seemingly rushing into that.

Were they both trying so hard to be what they are in the nature? Not to mention Gregi, the Justin Herbert, who was fabulous in this game. Finally, his big go-head touchdown actually goes through the cornerback's hands into his receiver's hands for the touchdown. Just as weird as you would expect a game like this to be. Final score, 2824 Charger. It was the most Chargers Vikings cornered animal game possible. They each ended up with exactly 475 yards.

There was nothing to separate this except for like a goofy Kirk Cousins as me. We'll return to the Brandon Staley fourth down because I disagree a little bit. Okay. I knew Greg would make that decision. But yeah, we'll... I mean, you can't just judge the results.

But it was about who can kind of botch the end of the game in some way more than the other. And when T.J. Hawkinson caught that ball for the Vikings inside the red zone. Where was it exactly? It was at the six-yard line. It was 35 seconds we're left in the game. 35.

That snap went off at 12 seconds. And there is something about Kirk. And I put this a little on Kirk. Kirk and the offensive coordinator, you know, it's Kevin O'Connor, where sometimes when the bullets are flying and things are going crazy, he fritzes out a little bit.

Like you need to have a plan at that point for what happens if the ball goes into the middle the field and we pick up the first down. You need to either be hurrying and have another play go off quickly, which is what I'd prefer. And don't waste the play spiking it or you need to spike it because they went crazy. They were discombobulated. And then he forces it into coverage.

It was a nice play as that guy who, he's the draft guy here. The name escapes me. But he pointed out Nick Neiman. I mean, you have these guys, Nick Neiman pops it up and Kenneth Murray makes the play and the defense, which had struggled all day, finally makes something. happen and they somehow get out of here and maybe save Brandon Staley's job, I don't know. So here it is. Here's the setup.

Fourth and one at his own 24 yard line, Gregie. Yes. They are up. They're winning the football game, correct? They're up by four. They're up by four points. So the other Vikings need a touchdown. With one minute after the play goes through,

147 to play. So they had the choice to punt it away. and again, four-point lead. So you need to surrender a touchdown to lose this football game. Field goal, it's not a field goaler or anything like that. They choose to go for it. And Austin Echler out again in this game. Instead, they give the ball to Joshua Kelly,

who gets stuffed in the hole by Jonathan Bullard, and the Vikings get the ball. I mean, Greg, explain to me what's the take other than, wow, he's got some real stones because that doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. You got to protect the team and protect the players that you represent. don't love the play call. I think it gives you two chances to win the game.

Either way, you have to stop them either way. Granted, they're starting at the 25-yard lane. But I think Staley's looking at his defense, which Bosa was barely on the field. He was off and on, but mostly off. Derwin James is off and injured at that point. I know it only says 24 for the Vikings, but 475 yards, 29 first downs.

the Vikings were moving the ball at will, punting the ball away there. I feel like they're going to get back to the 25 with enough time. And I know they didn't have timeouts, but I feel like they're going to get back in position. And you just need a yard. Get a freaking yard. But the play call was bad because Joshua Kelly went 11 rushes for 12 yards in this game. They couldn't run the ball. And they just tried to do the same thing they did all game.

And I just want the ball on Justin Herbert's hand there. They tried to run the ball three times in that sequence. first and second doubt. And that's where I really think they mismanaged. They charger at the end of this game. Just let Justin Herbert get a freaking first down and you win the game. He's playing the best game I've ever seen him play in my life. Instead, they go run, run, set up a third and nine or third and ten,

and he hits it for nine yards, of course, because he's Justin Freaking Herbert. And then you're a yard short. And just in some way involve Herbert in that play. We're in the world of the butt push and like the almost indefensible fourth and short quarterback sneak. And Herbert is the size. the power, the everything to do it.

Kelly's last week, I thought, had problems last week. Today, you mentioned how ineffective he was. Kellyn Moore looked a little frazzled after that, I think for obvious reasons, because you're going to be the center point of conversation for the next, like, seven days. I mean it. Maybe Stanley could have lost his job if they,

I think so, too. It's possible. How about a direct snap on a punt? How about a little fake punt? If we're feeling so, so ballsy here. Or I'm kicking it away, but I understand what we're dealing with now, Gregi. And we should get to Herbert

in a second because his numbers were out of this world. Not to mention Keenan Allen. 18 for 205 and he threw a 50-yard touchdown pass. This game is crazy. Yeah. Is this not the game of the week for NFL Plus? I don't know. I know. I'm struggling with this one. Greggie, but I lost

my train of thought. I'm so pumped up about this game. You wanted to talk about Herbert. Herbert went 40 for 47 for 405 and three touchdowns. Now, the worst throw. Really out of 47, I think He really only made maybe two bad throws. And one of them was, could have been an interception,

and it went for the last touchdown that the Chargers scored to go ahead to Josh Palmer. So he got a little break there. But before that, it was maybe the best game I've ever seen Herbert play because there were four or five shots, 20 plus down the field. So it wasn't just Dinkin and Duncan. But he was so accurate. And whatever Flores tried to do early on, they were playing like super prevent. They were daring him to Dink and Dunk.

And he did it. And that's why Alan went 18 for. 2-15. But then when they started cooking him up, he was making throws against pressure. And I just thought he showed everything that you want out of an NFL quarterback in this game. That was why I was frustrating. He didn't have the ball at the end there, and you're handing it off. The Kellynne Moore thing's working. I think it's working for Keenan Allen. I mean, the flexibility of like, if you're going to give us this, we'll take this instead today. And it's arrow up on Herbert. Like, I know maybe Dan, you wanted to be a little more fired up or

irate in certain situations. Like, I mean, he's taking. That's exactly what I won't. Well, that's what I'm counting the table for. Get irate. Technically, this is a fantastic game. But this would have been the same story, though, because unless he had enough time, it would have been another one where the offense, even though it dominated, didn't get the first down when it needed to.

This time, the defense just made the play. I want to shout out, who is it, Tui Poloto, their defensive tackle was dominating this game. But it was kind of a Pyrrhic victory, as they would call it. Derwin James MRI on his hamstring. Mike Williams, MRI on his knee. That one looked possibly serious. J.C. Jackson was a healthy scratch? Oh.

That's weird. I mean, like... Still trouble. I don't really feel like, okay, everything's fine. No. But it's worse for the Vikings who are 0.3. Yeah, that was the point I meant to make, which is like the fact that they went for it on 4th and 1 at the 24 tells you that

Brandon Staley, the defensive guy, is completely at a loss. Like he trusts the defense to get any stops at all. And one of the things I love about sports is how dumb they are. And we're in a new era of sports where, you know, the nerds have taken over and it's great. The advanced analytics, we pop the hood on the games, not just football, all different sports in ways that we never did in the past. But like at the end, it's funny how Justin Herbert once again would have been the same storyline if that ball doesn't go through the cornerback's hands. Everything. Right.

hinged on that happening. Although everything would have changed after that. I always like to play. Now you've got the fallacy of the predetermined outcome, they're saying. You've got the Vikings in that deep lake of regression. Oh, and three in one score games now. Love it. I said it as a joke in week one that they would lose every one score game

after winning every single one last year in the regular season. We're 11-0-0-0. It got serious. I mean, if Kirk Cousins was ever going to become a jet, we don't need to go deep on this one. But it's setting up that. Save that for the Dan, and Keith Hanses' emergency pod.

All right. And yes, you know, you know, Dan, pounding that table, I want an irate Justin Herbert. I got a good quote from him. I got a good one. I'm sure it's anything other than milk toast. Here we are. Finally, we're, after what a game he had,

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, we're back. And it's time for the Sunday Drive, presented by the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander. Hit it, baby. Out of the huddling to the line. Golf is going to work out of the gun. Gibbs to his left. And goal, Lions, leading by 10, looking for more.

Goff takes. Keeps it himself, left side. Touchdown, Detroit Lions. I see you 16. I see you. No. Just a little read option there for Jared Goff. Oh, my.

Nobody saw that coming. We sure did, man. And Jared, he could put him up and down, and he made sure he put them up and down into that end zone. I don't know what that means. feet over the left side for the score. Dan Miller and Lomas Brown with the Call WXYT. He can put him up and he can put him down.

We sure know that. Love Jared Gough. I love Jared Gough's career. What a nice little like zone he's in right now. Lead in the Detroit lines once more to a 20 to 6 victory over the Atlanta Falcons at Ford Field. The nice bounce back performance for Detroit after an ugly week two. lost to the Seattle Seahawks. Let's now welcome him in from Cleveland, Ohio, or thereabouts, Mr. Beef himself, Nick Shook.

Mr. Beef is a new one. Actually, I kind of thought I hit on something with Soda Popinski from Punch Out once by the time. I'd run with Mr. Beef. That could take you places. What's up, buddy? Pick him up and put him down, I think is in reference to his feet. Jared Goff can pick him up and put him down faster than Lomas Brown ever could. We'll just say that.

Not known fleet of foot. off. Traditional passer, a pocket passer. Not a lot of vertical leap there when he tried to go into the stands either. But faster than Lomas Brown to your point. He's definitely hit the way room. It's beefy. Anyway, Shook, it looks like the Lions, this is a nice little performance for them, it seems

like after, yeah, all the hype around the Chiefs win, crash back to Earth, and now we're back to just bite kneecaps off. Yeah, I got to give credit to the Lions fans who did not let last week. loss deter them from showing up at fordfield and making it another raucous environment almost collegiate and how passionate these fans have been at these blue masks you can yeah i don't know about the blue mask that didn't make that in week too i mean but he's out for the season yeah that was bad yeah yeah that's kind of tough but uh this was an interesting game because you know this is it was an intriguing matchup the falcons are two and oh what a surprise could never thought arthur

smith's team might be here and they played like a two and o team in fact they went toe to toe with the lions for most of this game, it's just that their offense never showed up. Statistically, it was similar. They were both four for 14 on third down. They each had a turnover. Everything looked really similar, but the total yards was like double in favor of Detroit, which goes back to this lion's offense, which is humming for most of the game. Jared Goffin complete command of this offense, completely comfortable, knows how to execute,

hitting a number of different targets. The run game missed David Montgomery, but they were still balanced enough to be able to move the ball down the field. They struggled to convert in the red zone, which is why that read option was so sweet for the people in Detroit because, you know, he was saying, I see you 16. Well, 16 was seeing 93, 93 Wiffin being Kallais Campbell making a bad read on the read option there. It was satisfying for them after failing earlier on the goal line and really put this game away. I felt bad for the Falcons because I thought they played hard enough to be in this game. They just didn't get

anything from the offensive side of the ball. Not so much that it was Desmond Ritters fault. It's just they'd never really put anything together to allow him to get into a rhythm. So good win for the Lions. Way to get back on track. I'm seeing the Falcons 2.8 yards per play. abysmal. Lions doubled that. It's kind of a red flag, or it is a red flag, it's not kind of one, that if you essentially are a team

that can gather your defense and stop Atlanta on the ground, and the previously mythologically unstoppable Bijon Robinson with 33 yards today, nothing else from anyone, and then you're forced to take Desmond Ritter and throw the ball

38 times. Like, that's the formula for disaster. And that's a, that's that creates a lot of suspicion around a team that, you know, a week ago I felt very hopeful about. I'm seeing the same thing, shook, the Meadowlands where there's a talented running back, but a quarterback that maybe hasn't earned the trust or the, you know, the opposing defenses respect, are they just up on the line? Is this, are they got stack boxes all day in this game?

Yeah, I mean, Detroit deserves credit for getting after them and stuffing the run lanes. But it's also like Bijan didn't get a ton of opportunities, a strange approach, really. And it also offers us kind of a. look at the two sides of Dez and Ritter because last week, you know, they're playing Green Bay and he authors this great comeback. And he makes a number of throws where I'm like, wow, look at him. Maybe he is taking the next step forward. It just wasn't that guy this week. So why are you having him throw it 38 times when you're down 10 points at most going into the fourth quarter? It just felt like a poor approach for a team that was pounding on the ground so successfully, but it's

hard to pound on the ground when you're averaging 3.3 yards of carry with your lead back. So just a tough day for them offensively, probably something where they can look back and say, we should have done this, that, and the other different times in these situations should have approached it differently and they'll be better for it. Not everyone agrees, but Arthur Smith believes in Ritter, because we're seeing it now week after week, he's letting him throw the ball. I mean, he's

becoming a problem, but I am looking forward to watching this, but seeing Leporto to go eight for 84, it's yet another week where it's like, hey, tight ends, rookie tight ends, they never matter, except for Sam freaking Leporta. Week after week,

he's six catches, eight catches. Sam Leporta. Here's a stat for you. He's 18 catches the most by an NFL tight end through three games. Keith Jackson for the Eagles at 88. Three time all pro previously had the record was 17. So he's off to a good start.

Yeah, he 45 of those yards came on one catch his first career touchdown pass, which I really enjoyed because he scored and the broadcast goes, get that one for the mantle. And just as he says that Leporta trots over the sideline and just drops the ball and the ball and he picks it up.

You know what I love about this Lions team, guys? You know how we spent so much time in the off season? People were arguing about positional value. You overpicked a lot of these guys in the first two rounds, terrible moves by Brad Holmes. All those guys are making a difference. Brian Branch is making a difference. Jack Campbell, first career sack today. Sam LaPorte, a first career touchdown.

Even Jemir Gibbs, he's not a lead back, but he's doing all right. Like, this is a good group. You've got to start to trust this front office. I liked all their picks and I'd like to see them producing so far. The whole team feels like, and I mean organization. Feels like they're in sync right now. And they're missing about eight starters today. They lost a couple offensive linemen during the game.

They've been tough to withstand it. And that was the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places. Learn more at Toyota.com slash Grand Highlander. All right, Chuck. Let's talk about your Cleveland Browns. Hit it. Second and 15, Watson under center with Ford in the backfield.

Fake handoff. Watson looking down the middle. Chris Rose. He's got a copper wide open. for a touchdown. And Coop finally has that score with Dishon Watson. Chris Rose with the call our buddy. Sunday nights here at NFL Network filling in for Jim Donovan,

longtime voice of the Browns, who is fighting a serious illness. So best wishes to Jim Donovan and his family, Rose filling in. and Deshawn Watson hits Amari Cooper, the exclamation point. On an easy win, as the Brown steamroll, the Titans 27 to 3, Shuki. This is obviously a big win for Cleveland because you get a good Watson performance. You get another great defensive performance like Jim Schwartz's guys. And with Nick Chub gone for the year, all of a sudden it doesn't seem like everything is lost because there's enough here for this team to keep moving forward and succeed.

Yeah, there was a paul over the city on Tuesday after they lost Nick Chubb for the season. You know, he's a beloved player here. And everybody was pretty heartbroken over the fact that they would have to proceed forward without him. But really because he just is such a great person, a favorite, you know, son of Cleveland. So for them to bounce back in the fashion that they did on Sunday was really impressive because this is a team that that could have carried over that heartbreaking loss to Pittsburgh and the loss of Nick Chub and just laid down against the Titans team that's stout up front. And they didn't. They proved that they were the better defense among these two. they dominated Tennessee's offense.

Derek Henry was a non-factor, 20 rushing yards on 11 carries. His second least amount of rushing yards in the game, the last time he did it, also against the Browns. So apparently they've got his number for whatever reason. Ryan Fanna Hill was constantly under duress. Miles Garrett was a force, three and a half sacks. The front looks fantastic.

I'm ready to say at this point, through three games, I am ready to say that the Browns have an elite defense, or at least an elite defensive front, because of how well they get a push up front. I mean, they are just winning the battles up there. And it's helping them win games because they scored 10 points in this game. And for a second, I was like, that might be enough to win.

I mean, that's how good they're playing defensively. Deshaun Watson had a good day, only six incompletions. It doesn't look as good as the stats did. I'll tell you that right now. When you go back and watch this game, you'll be like, he really had this game with how he played. But it was a step in the right direction and the rushing attack. They put it together well enough to replace Nick Chub. It wasn't anything remarkable, but they did the job, a resounding victory for a Browns team that's going into a big one next week against the Ravens.

They used a lot of people in the ground game. But I am with you that, like, I'm trying to remember a post-Bill Belichick Browns team because their defense back then, and we're talking the early 90s, remarkable, first or second best in the league. 94 yards you gave up today. It's like, that's essentially, like, competing against, like, a drunk toddler in Madden. This is like... Wait, the toddler's been drinking? Yeah.

it's that dysfunctional of a situation if you beat someone down that hard. I always give my toddler's alcohol. There's a way bigger issue going on here than the video game outcome. Sure, but the 94 yards still stands out as an achievement in that situation. But in this and to see it, this team doing this, and it's like, oh, finally Miles Garrett,

who when he was the only guy there and that front seven was still doing it, it's like you are surrounded not only by better talent than you've had in your entire career, but like Jim Schwartz, the vaunted assistant coach of the year award. He is the clear front runner right now. He may be more head coach than Kevin Stefansky. Mark, you're not even hiding it anymore. No, I'm just like, but I, this is stuff.

I think if you're a Browns fan, right? If you're from Cleveland, like they always say, we're going to play Browns football. Well, no one, what has that been for the last 25, 30 years? It was Nick Chubb. That I agree with 100%. But defense like this is like, it's, it lasts through any season, any part of the year. Winter, cold.

the ice rain and it's like it's not going away they have a great defense midwestern fans like to pride themselves on oh it's cold weather football it's going to be smash mouth football and the browns have not been that and they are that at least on one side of the ball right now it's remarkable again to see a team transform overnight from one year to the next with a defensive coordinator that's new and has received some additions in the off season that fits how he wants to go you know with a rotation up front and everything else and just works so well and the secondary has benefited tremendously grant help it continues to have a great year they didn't even have Greg newsom today and they were still locking it down on the outside, just a really good performance from that.

Well, when the Bengals had six first downs in week one, I said that very well could be the most dominant defensive performance any team has all season. The Titans had six first downs in this game, didn't crack 100 yards. Shield Capadia, the ringer had a good stat on successory, which isn't like a perfect stat, but the best three single game performances all season defensively, number one, Browns in week one, number two, Browns in week three, number three. Browns in week two. I mean, that's outrageous.

Wow. That's why the toddlers are so drunk. I still don't condone it and it's a bigger ball than football. I don't condone it. I'm just saying before you play Madden, if you get him drunk, you're probably going to win. It's a great strategy from a certain, from a cutthroat angle. Get the authorities on the horn. Hey, real quick, before we say goodbye, because I'm curious, you, Watson, his numbers are great.

I think 28 of 33. what were you seeing were there I know there was one insane hideous play where he was falling backwards and through the ball 10 yards back was scooped up for like a 16 yard loss that was the viral moment anything else that jumped out to you like why weren't weren't the numbers matching up with the eye test for you yeah that was very jamis Winston of him I think his internal clock still not quite at the speed it needs to be at he's still just slightly slow but he is starting to speed up a little bit watching him in the pocket he always makes you a little nervous just because you're like, all right, deliver, get to the next spot in your progression. He's just not quite there. But he's finding a way to make it work. And especially on the run, he was pretty good at getting out of the pocket and finding guys downfield. And it just seemed so effortless in the second half of them.

I mean, they were just completing passes. Tennessee gave him a few breaks with penalties. So you're going to look back at this and say, that doesn't look like a near 300 yard performance, but he also got robbed of what should have been a touchdown pass to Omar Cooper because he caught the ball on the sideline. He was a foot in bounds and was ruled out of bounds. Oh, that was absurd. shy of the end zone.

So, you know, give or take. That was absurd. No, because I was watching exactly when it happens. Like, this is just like an officiating breakdown. Yeah. Titans are a good. It's so funny. I was like, welcome back, that's all.

That was like we should not have, those officiating gaffs should not be happening to any of the 32 teams. You're right. The Chargers, like if the Chargers had lost this week, maybe the number one reason why Brandon Staley should be in trouble is, look at what the Titans have done when they haven't played the Chargers. They've got about 100 yards a game A good point by you I haven't scored a duck there A good point by you

Shoki always a pleasure Get some good pumps in Spent some great time with your fiance Yeah she's in California for three months So I'm here by myself But you've been flying out there You know Yeah yeah we'll have another trip planned here soon

All that rage pumping he's doing With the girl out in California You know what I mean? In the gym In the gym All right Chuck Bye bye buddy Until next week

I'll see you guys. Rage pumping. I am rage pumping because we're heading over to the swamps of Jersey. We have the final play of this game forthcoming. One second left. Balby snapped on the 46 far and hash mark. Three receivers wide to the right. One to the left.

Oh, it's a hell Mary. For the Patriots and I mean deep at the five. I'm sure this will end well for the Jets. He lost a high throw toward the end zone. That ball will come down in the crowd. It's battered away. Oh, my God. And nearly caught by Cobb on the goal line.

It's incomplete. Patriots win it. My God. Hey, at least we gave Snowlack to scare. That's a perfect call by Wilson, man. Two yards deep and it allows for the deflection. Oh, no. And a potential catch.

And boy, did they almost get it. Hmm. It's on New York City. It's on. Bob Sochi, Scott Zolak, Sidney Carlson, WBZ. Mack Jones threw a touchdown past the Farrow Brown. Who? I don't know.

Tight end. Matt Chudan had a late safety and a desperation Hail Mary Heave by Zach Wilson. Just missed the hands of Randall Cobb. The Patriots extend their winning streak over the Jets to 15 games with a grizzly 1510 win. What? What? What? on a rainy Sunday at the metal ends.

It's interesting, Gregi, how it's different now. Like 15 games is 15 games, I think 21 out of 23. But it used to be the Patriots with Brady would just outclass the jets and kind of humble them and whatever you would think they were ready to reach higher. You'd just knock them down with some like 25, 35 point loss. In the Sala era, it's now competitive. But it is the Patriots that always make kind of one more play. And then you're seeing these games are kind of more the norm.

So 15 to 10. And, you know, here's, this is what we thought was going to happen. And then when I saw it was going to be a weather game, it was like, first thing I did, for instance, I get Garrett Wilson out of my fantasy lineup. You knew it was going to be bad. But I thought even by Zach Wilson standards, it was worse than usual. And you saw two notable people turn on Zach Wilson in real time in this game. One's Tony Romo, who has always been mostly supportive of Wilson, but repeatedly called out when the line wasn't breaking down around Wilson, just not seeing it.

Just like we've been talking about with Justin Fields, where they freeze it. There's Garrett Wilson crossing over the middle, but he waits an extra two beats. And by the time he reacts, he's either getting thrown down to the ground or he's throwing the ball, Garrett Wilson in the flat for a two-yard loss or an incompletion. And you just saw that over and over again. So the Jets who sent Dwayne Brown to IR and kicked McCailley Beckton over to the left tackle. And shift the two other guys around too. Move Verra Tucker to right tackle.

It's musical chairs. And I thought it was very notable, Gregie, that this game where the Jets, especially in the second half, really tightened up on defense, gave that offense two chances to either tie or win the game late. And that's not even counting the possession with the hell Mary. And on the Matt Judon sack, that really was the game, it was Judon beating Mackay Beckton, a lottery pick from Joe Douglas, and then sacking Zach Wilson, another high miss from Joe Douglas. And I'm just starting to, as a jet fan, this was the week for me. And maybe it's the Patriots that add a little bit more gravitas to things and make it just more dramatic, where I'm just starting to lose. a little bit of faith in the operation when you hear this for Robert Sala after the game talking about Zach Wilson and whether he'll continue to be their starter.

Right now, Zach is the best player in the, he's who gives us the best chance to win. Wow. You know, so that's basically that that would be the cleanest answer I could give you. See, I had not actually heard that. I read the quote. Yeah. And here's my question to you, Greg. Is that Sala subtly letting everyone know that Tim Boyle with no real experience

and not a guy that I believe in is my only other option and my GM won't take the L on this guy and bring someone else in or is Sala's head in the sand and not willing to give up on Zach Wilson who clearly is not going to do it at this level? Well, I think it's in between because I'm going to give Salah the benefit of the doubt that him and Douglas both believed in Wilson throughout this office. I don't think they were faking that. I think it's Robert Sallis searching for the perfect words that he can couch what he wants

to say, which is that, yeah, he's the best option we have. It's not about Joe Douglas, but I think he would be very open to having another option. Like, I don't doubt that Wilson is maybe better than Tim Boyle, although who knows. But I would say that he needs another option, and I think he's couched. He's trying to say it in a way that, like, is leaving that open. He's not trying to be too encouraging in that spot. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think number one, this is sort of, this has become a perfect storm of problems for the offense.

Like, you're going up against a Bill Belichick run team that is beaten down Zach Wilson, the Jets in general. They've lost 15 straight games to the Patriots and haven't scored more than 17 points. Only once they even scored 17. So it's like a particular matchup inside your division that no matter who's been in there, it's unsuccessful. I was coming into work today and seeing the offensive line changes they were going to go through.

I hate that in this particular matchup against the Patriots. If you even said we were going to lose Dwayne Brown, we'll find one way to plug one person in and keep the rest of it consistent. It wasn't a great line before that. But then it's like we've all had that experience

when you're, I can think of this happened at a work summit a couple years ago where someone gets up to deliver a speech, good person, you're rooting for them, and they go completely dark. They can't do it. And they're stumbling in front of two to three hundred people. In this case, as a whole nation,

that's how I feel watching Zach Wilson. It's like, I'm not rooting against them. I'm rooting for the Jets after Hard Knocks. I'm rooting for these Jets fans in general. It's like, Zach Wilson is the perfect problem that if you removed and replaced him with almost, and I would give Boyle a shot. Like, I don't know what they're doing.

I just like, there seems to be this, we can all see it. And then you get Sala having to say that. There's a blind spot. and it's so frustrating. It's like you find another quarterback. You've got a great defense and a good roster and you sit on the precipice of dividing this locker room

and cracking it like an egg. And the bluebirds reach the medal ends at 1402 to play in the second quarter that is only going to intensify. And last year, this isn't a projection. This is, we already saw it happen with the exact same core roster and the exact same quarterback.

There was a revolt within that lock. locker room that forced Robert Sala to turn to Mike White. But there's no Mike White now. There's no Joe Flacco now. There could be Josh Johnson, for instance, who was on that team. It was cut this week. It's overdue. It's overdue. I just think, and I said this throughout the summer, that it was never comfortable with Wilson

is number two. And I think we're now three weeks after the events of Monday Night Football with Aaron Rogers. The fact that the only thing they've done is check in to see if Chad Henney wanted to come out of retirement is in default. And the fact that Jet fans are furious right now because we're sick of watching the same thing with Wilson and seeing him flame out. They had, like I said, two possessions. Once they had one drive, an 86-yard touchdown drive in the fourth quarter to make this a game to pull within three. They had two possessions after that where they could have either tied or won the game and both times Wilson cratered.

And I'm just, I think Jets fans are sick of hearing because we've been dealing with for two years now, two and a half years are going on now. of knowing this guy isn't the guy. So why can't the organization see that? And the thing that gets me mad and the first time I've ever had doubts about Joe Douglas is because it's his guy. And I've talked to people that know Douglas. That was his pick, his baby.

And I think there's a bit of stubbornness here of them not willing to take the L that is haunting this team. And it sounds like we're going to run back Zach Wilson against the Chiefs on Sunday night. In New York, I don't like that situation at all. Just imagine. And the Rogers injury,

continues to compound. I knew it was going to be miserable, but as the weeks pass, week one, ruined by Rogers. Week two, trip to Dallas. Rune because now Rogers isn't there. Week three, Pat's Revenge Week. Rune because Zach Wilson is the quarterback again. Week four, our return to Sunday night football for the first time in over a decade. Rune because we're going to face Pat Mahomes with goddamn Zach Wilson is QB and nobody's taking them out of the game because nobody wants to take the L. Take the L, Joe Douglas. I mean, look, we just talked about the praise the Browns get for holding the Titans to 100 or 100 yards in the game.

They had 10 yards passing the Jets in the first half. This is a great Patriots defense. It's very good. Like, we saw that against the Dolphins. They're very competent, especially against this opponent. But every opponent is going to look competent against Zach Wilson. It's like this is going to explode on Sunday night football. It is going to explode next Sunday night.

I mean, the Patriots defense is good, but they also were missing three of their top four cornerbacks, Jack Jones, Marcus Jones, and Jonathan Jones. They hit the Jones trifecta. Their offensive line is a total mess. And this game shouldn't have been just, you know, numbers-wise, as close as it was. At one point, it was two hundred and six, at halftime was 260 yards to 39. At one point it was 180 to 6. So the Patriots are moving the ball.

And in very 2023 and really post-Bradie Patriots, they're a sloppy kind of undisciplined team who makes a lot of mistakes and right now they're not very good on the offensive line. But they were allowing the Jets to stay in the game and the Jets' defense is so good that they're making plays in big spots and that Zach Wilson just keeps getting chance after chance.

Like this shouldn't have even been a position where he has a chance to go for a Hail Mary. Some Pat stuff. I think Christian Gonzalez, he's announcing himself as a stud. Yeah. He shut down Tyreek Hill last week. Garrett Wilson was rarely,

I mentioned he was open and some crossing patterns and the quarterback was late, but he was covered very well by Christian Gonzalez. in this game. Also, Zeke Elliott getting a lot of work in this game. Remandre Stevenson hasn't done a lot in the first three weeks. And now Zeke kind of split carries with him in this game. I don't know if maybe Stevenson was banged up. We'll have to see what that potentially means. And this is also now the third straight week. And we talked about him earlier this week. And I just want to see more. Damocook not making anybody miss. But Breeze Hall's not making anybody messy either right now because the offensive line is such a mess. But yeah, I'm starting out my doubts about the brain trust. And I just don't know if Sala is also hypnotized by this idea of Zach Wilson being salvaged or he's trapped on the ship as well. I don't know. He's a defensive guy. He's got to be going crazy. I think he's trapped.

Either way, it's a very tough situation. All right. Let us move on. We were talking up the commanders as a potential team of ATN. Well, with a caveat. With a caveat. Wanted to see how this went. Wanted to see how this went.

Didn't go well. This didn't go well. Not at all. Spoiler. Not great, Bob. Two receivers to the right, two to the left. Howl on the shotgun. Gibson next to him in the backfield.

Here's the snap. Five step drop. Rolling to his left, going to step up in the pocket. And it's picked off by AJ Epinessa going the other way. Blockers in front to the five. Touchdown. Buffalo. A.J.

Eponessa with the fifth takeaway of the day. and this one goes for a pick six. Woo! Chris Brown, a little Rick Flair, WTR. Good job by you. Yes, AJ Eponenza. Is that how you say it? Epinessa.

Epinessa. With the pick six, one of four interceptions, Sam Hal threw to Buffalo Bill's defenders. And the Bills, Eric Roberts behind the glass. Eric are feeling no pain in these last two weeks. 37 to 3. They route the previously undefeated commanders. Mark, here's a quote from Mike Ahai. It looks like I didn't even play today.

All white jersey. Not even dirty. The guys up front were getting after the quarterback. It was just awesome to see. Not even dirty on a day where it was pouring rain during half of the game. Not even muddy. It's like you didn't even touch the ground. Mike Hyatt had a couple of plays, huge plays in this.

It was, you know, it's like Sam Howell's been frisky, fun to watch. And, like, I think that's why we had the conversation we did about the commanders. It's like there might be something. Did we jinks them, maybe? I mean, likely. Conversation needs to be had. Likely, or the floor is going to fall out at some point when you're playing a Bill's team that, you know, is there too much pressure here?

Are they, as the window closed a little bit too much, are they not really the cream of the crop in the AFC? It's like, and all we talk about is Josh Allen and the offense, and they were fine today. Great, Stefan Diggs had a huge game. The defense, to me, is looking as good as it's ever looked under Sean McDermin. It is just absolutely generating total chaos, five turnovers, nine sacks. You allowed three points. The commander's drive chart, interception, punt, downs, interception, interception, punt, fumble, interception, punt, field goal.

Wacky little field goal at the end. You prevent the shutout. This was a dominant performance. two weeks in a row we've seen Josh Allen I think reenter that world where he just looked completely in command and you know

I think you just they broke the commanders early if I said to Greg and he didn't I mean you didn't know where this was in the game but he hit Gabe Davis on a bomb early on

or it was like there was probably five six of the game to still go I said game over and then how when the commanders start to climb back and like got deep into Bill's territory I thought why did I say that to Greg

it was technically a two score game entering the fourth quarter, 16-0. Which is kind of wild. Then they just exploded. But, like, how will really... It's on the fringes of two-score. Howell really melted in this game? He really melted, and it was a systemic disaster for watch.

That doesn't surprise me just because he just is a guy who's going to try to keep making plays. And, like, if it keeps getting worse, he's going to keep trying. And sacks are a bit of a quarterback stat, or they are a quarterback's stat, nine sacks. Like, that's partly on him, but it is crazy when you just look, 15-quired. quarterback hits for the bills. That is a crooked number. And then over on the other side, young and sweaty, one QB hit, no sacks, almost a Golston.

I mean, in Washington, still trying to make Gulsden a thing all these years later. It is officially when you have no sacks. If one other person says Goulston, then, you know, maybe it becomes a thing, but it's still just you. It's just, but it's my thing. I know. It's like IR Boomerang hanging in that scene. No, that's different.

Is it different? I feel like that's picked up some heat. I think Wes and I created that literally a decade ago, and I've heard no one other than West I use it. I think I started Holden, and I'm not getting any royalties for that. I don't even talk about it. So do you think you're a mulligan, essentially, on Golston, which is never taken off because Holden's great. And Holden is great.

Holden has become part of the left. If Goldston wasn't a jet who the Patriots had tried to trade up for, but then they were snagged or whatever, the jets took them, you wouldn't have a problem with it. Yeah, but also, I don't think you would have ever made. at that name if he was if he was a wasn't a jet maybe maybe so it's just the fair counterpoint the mass hole within you just pouring I guess at this point it is time to let go I am gonna let me just say I'm gonna I'm gonna promise yes Goldston is dead we're gonna think of a new guy we're gonna think of a new name and I'm gonna try to make that someone's got to be that bad though yeah it's kind of mean to Ron Payne Jonathan Allen Montes Sweat Chase Young everything's gonna

kind of roll through them if if Washington's actually gonna have a chance the season to go to the playoffs, no sacks and 32 past attempts by Josh Allen. And like you said, it's a QB stat as well. And Josh Allen again, after a miserable week one in prime time, has bounced back with two very good games. I really also

think, like, James Cook, we talked about his brother, Dalvin, but James Cook makes a real difference in this offense. They never really had that consistent ground game. And it's three games in a row where he looks superb. All right. Bill's roll. Let's move. to Lambeau Field, where the Packers were looking to make magic.

And they did. Line of scrimmage, 28-yard line of Green Bay. And he's going to want it spotted down to the 36-yard line left hash. 46-yard field goal to 10. Zach Wood on the snap. Lou Headley down on one knee. Do I trust the guy named Blake Groupie? It's not a good name.

Not a ton. To get New Orleans of the lead. Here's the snap. Placement kick is up. End over and it is. No. No good, no good. And there is your dagger.

Oh, my goodness, jubilation here in Green Bay. Come on, Big Funk. Celebrate, baby, behind the glass. Seconds ago, New Orleans has one time out left. What a fourth quarter by the Green Bay Packers. Wow. Whoa. Wait, can I get Big Funk's music for this?

No. I think I love that Randy Chavez. Real Deal Packer fan. Oh, for sure. So let's give it to him. Oohie. Blake Groupie, 46 yards, wide right with 105 to play. And Jordan Love rallies the Packers from a 17.4th quarter deficit.

What? To an 1817 win, a big what week. Sorry. I think the podcast title, What, Slammer, question marks. slammer week three recap.

I just feel like that's the word of the day. We're heading in the Meebies playouts. Territory. This game

could not have started worse for the Packers who were shut out through three quarters and then four minutes into the fourth quarter and then they score

18 points in the final 11th minute to win their 11th consecutive home opener opener and Big Funk knows this they played like hot garbage

for three quarter. They were penalized like mad. They repeatedly failed on fourth downs. Jordan Love had a terrible interception early in the third quarter. And it just felt like this was not only going to be a loss for the Packers, but like one of those games where you're starting to think, ooh, is this maybe going to be a long season for Green Bay? Missing again, Christian Watson, Aaron Jones, who actually worked out on the field before the game, but then was a scratch. missing multiple players, key players. Bakhtiari was out again.

Bakhtari out once again, even though he's playing on grass. Not today. Everything changed. Everything changed in this game when Derek Carr gets slammed to the turf, shoulder first. And you knew as soon as he hit the turf, you know that's a certain type of hits a quarterback gets where he gets grabbed in the pocket and then whipped down to the ground

and landed right on his shoulder. And sure enough, Ian Rappaport's reporting after the game. He left the game. He goes to the tent, then goes back, and we don't see him again. And according to Rapsheet, he seems to avoid it a more serious injury than originally expected according to Rapsheet, but he could miss some time, but potentially weeks. When he plays, will be determined by the swelling and how he gains mobility. When they're saying things like, we think he'll be back this year, buckle up because

it's James Winston time. Winston, they go three and out three times in a row before he takes them into field goal range and then the kicker doesn't help them out. So you have Winston who's at least an experience backup here, but everything kind of fell apart here for the Saints, the defense, which had been so good, really, for the first three weeks and again, three quarters, all of a sudden it couldn't stop a nosebleed and the offense was not able to get those last three points there that would have saved a disaster. Could not be a more disappointing loss if you're a Saints fan because of what you said.

I think there was a feeling and there's a belief that this could be a special Saints defense. And as much as it's terrible to lose car in the fourth quarter, you give up an 82-yard drive, but then you stop them on fourth down and you think, okay, that's probably going to end the game. Then you give up a field goal drive, you give up a touchdown on a short field after a turnover, and then you give up the 80-yard touchdown drive. So there's something about this Jordan Love group that they're winning games without Watson and Jones and Bakhtiari, and they're making comebacks, I mean, I think a team can get a

personality, and I know they gave up the big lead a week ago, but I do think a team can get a personality when they start having games like this early in the season and believing that they can win any type of game. Yeah, like, I think if there's a benefit to having some of these guys out, it's like the Jaden Reads of the world, the Romeo Dobbs, like, they're developing and growing and you kind of see this offense going together.

One thing is like the Aaron Jones thing, I think, is stymie them two weeks in a row. He was so explosive when he was on the field. It's like they have, if you take 39 yards away from Jordan Love, and that's a big part of his game, and I love that about Jordan Love. Like him on the ground has been a factor,

but they're a mess on the ground otherwise, and that does not work for this offense. And it's time. I mean, the Packers came very close to getting to 3 and O here, and they've survived. I mean, this game, like I said, I mentioned Watson, we mentioned Backthiore, I mentioned Jones, also without Jaira Alexander,

Elton Jenkins on the line. This is crazy. They just saw their best players, other than Rashad Gary, who had three sacks I saw in four quarterback hits. It was a great ball player. Yeah, they have to get healthy. And it's like, do they have the week five by? That would be tremendous. I don't know if they do.

But this is a loss that will haunt them potentially because, you know, this is a type of game. Potential playoff ramifications down the line, two teams. Can't let this one get away. I kind of like it, though, just because I feel like both of these teams being two and one. Saints didn't totally feel like a 3-0 team. And now the Saints are going to get Alvin Kamara back next week. And hopefully the Packers get their dudes back. Green Bay plays also Thursday night against Detroit.

So it's a, it's not great for these injuries. Another great week, by the way, for Chris Alave, Greg. 104, offensive player of the year. He's so smooth. It's on track. So good. And, you know, and Michael Thomas, again, he's staying on the field. So far, so good is a nice second banana.

But Alave is the dude on this offense. So much for trade. trading James, by the way. I guess you need James. Yeah. I think you need them to do better. Well, also, yeah, you might find out you don't want to trade. Works for everybody. All right, let's take a break and we'll continue on. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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All right, we're back. Texans, Jaguars, easy dub for Jacks, right? Right? Brandon McManus will kick off from our left to right with Mike Boone back deep. One yard deep at the end zone. Last time he let it bounce and this is going to be inside the 10. Don't get in the way. Oh, he's fumbled.

Oh, no, fullback. Beck still going right to the right side. Beck has some room. No. No, he's not going to turn the corner. He's at the 50. He's at the 45 of Jacksonville. What?

That's Wadi, the 15, 10, 5. Are you kidding? Rock and roll. Touchdown, Houston. My goodness. What? What? What?

I love that these announcers have no idea they're in a five-man booth all of a sudden. The earth started shaking in North Florida, and he ran to the right side. Listen to that crowd. And down the end zone. The upback? Wow. Andrew Beck? The 255-pound full-buffer.

He became the heaviest player This is a great stat from the AP The heaviest player in NFL history To return a kickoff for a touchdown That is a great stat How does one find that out? He was pretty fast I want to tell you one other quick stat

Like he's the first fullback Yes Since 2016 to reach the vaunted 20 miles per hour mark Not 21 but 20 No he had 20 Fullback first time That's a good job I beg He also did a bad job

Stealing the kickoff from the kickoff guy and then fumbled it. Like, he ran right in front of him. Like, honestly, I know he's not the intended kickoff guy, but after he does that, you might want to give him on an extra look. I'll try him out again. Anyway, 3717. This is a weird week.

The Texans pound the Jaguars in Jacksonville. Weird, wild stuff. Greg. What? Yes. I can't do that sound bite anymore. Mark Vandivier with the call, by the way. What?

What? Mark's head's going to explode. I've only said it naturally in this show. I'm not asking for it. A lot of what. I almost feel bad that we didn't give C.J. Stroud and Tank Dell the highlight just because... Andy Back needs it, though.

Yeah, he needed it. But Stroud was the big takeaway yet again. Four starting offensive linemen out. Larry Mutunzel didn't return. And Stroud was under pressure in this game. And yet he didn't take a single sack. Sacks are a quarterback stat. He was making great reads.

And look, the throw to Dell that really put this game away was a 68-yard touchdown pass, blown coverage. We've seen too much of that from the Jaguars. Stroud's shown he can deliver in that spot. But the bigger play, to me, to Dell, was early in this game. It was a statement of intent, 46 yards into tight coverage where Stroud makes the perfect read. And that's just a professional throw. He had some outroutes in this game. And I know it's just one game, but you just watch these two quarterbacks.

And for this one game, C.J. Stroud was. definitely out playing Trevor Lawrence, who was a little afraid to go deep and wasn't always making the best decisions. And it wasn't like Trevor Lawrence was a disaster, but Stroud was making up for what was around him. And Trevor Lawrence wasn't. And the Texans deserved to win. You can take that S2 score and stick it where the sun does not exist. That's true. I forgot about that whole thing. I mean, he just looks like a guy. We talked about the first three weeks. Like, it doesn't matter what the rookie. It doesn't matter what you do if you have a good record. Now you're winning in Jacksonville by 20 points.

Yeah, this is a troubling performance by the Jaguars. And, you know, what did you see from Trevor Lawrence here? I mean, I'm expecting him to take the leap this year, and this doesn't seem to point. He took it last year. I think he was just okay, and I think he's been okay for most of this season. The broadcast talked about him just not seeing the field because mostly he's just hitting short guys and they're punting. but it was also kind of one of those everything that could go wrong

did go wrong in the first time. I just want to go through their first half stats. I mean, their first half drive. Ridley dropped a dime from Lawrence that would have been a 30-yard touchdown. Just beautiful throw. Ridley just totally drops it. Drops another one, by the way,

that kind of killed the drive later in that. Next drive. Third down, Travis E.N. Trips over Trevor Lawrence, who kind of ran into him. That was kind of on T-Law, but just a bizarre way. Next drive, blocked field goal by Will Anderson, who also made an impact on defense,

but just a beautiful block where he just leapt up in the air. That's weird. Then a penalty on a fourth down conversion, like a holding call, they end up having a punt, and then they fumbled the way a catch. So I didn't come away thinking, like, oh, the Jaguars' offense is cooked. It was just kind of one of those weird games. The average gains and the offensive yardage was fairly close, and they just made a lot of boneheaded mistakes.

But I am concerned about the Jagger's defense in general. Yeah, you're giving up 37 points to an in-formation offense that we thought might slow cook the entire season. Instead, they're very much in this AFC South race. If they're going to play like this, I mean, and it makes like the Jaguars lost last week to Kansas City, like all the more troubling because they came so close in that one. And now you're one and two, and we assume they'd be three and oh and just running away with this division. And the Texans are just finding players. To me, that's what the season's all about. Tankdale, nice slot receiver.

He's not going to go five for 145 often. But I think a nice rookie slot receiver, Nico Collins, exploded last week. Like, they're fine players in the strapped. Did Will Anderson block that field goal? Yeah, yeah. It was one of the best field bowl blocks I've seen in a long time because he just steamrolled the guy in front of him and his vertical leap was just outrageous. It was not on the kicker.

It was actually the first miss kick or block kick of McManus's career. So I wasn't on a tough special teams day for Jacksonville as well. Yes, very tough. I mean, you gave up a freaking kickoff return for touchdown to a fullback. And Agnew. Oh, that was on offense. as their kick return or lost the fumble. So it was just like an ugly, ugly game.

Let's get out of the, let's get out of the theater of the bazaar. And, you know, no more upsets. Enough upsets. So the Ravens at home will take care of business. No doubt. Come on. With their backup quarterback. All right.

Let's get this under control. Wait, what? So this again is a 50-3-yard field goal from Matt Gay. It's between the hash marks. Matt Gay, baby. Luke Rhodes will snap it. Measuring the kick is gay. waiting on the long snap there it is placement kick is on its way it has the distance it's up

and it is good oh my goodness oh my god what a great win mad gay stroking the 53 yard or an o t in the house the tucker bill is this the kicker corner oh we are in the club baby and deep in the club gay it's gay night at the kicker club behind the velvet ropes popping bottles by the way also hit another 53 yarder in a 54 yarder in this game it and i think justin tooker was short on a bomb yes i want to talk about why i think that happens mark yeah anthony richard out with a concussion we know gardner mitchie was a very capable backup how do the ravens not take care of business at home here well number one thing's Shane Steichen is, like, turning out to be what we hoped.

And, like, Gardner Manchu was, I think, in this situation, not a major downgrade from Richardson. I think we kind of felt that way going in. He was very competent. The Ravens, though, uncharacteristic to what Baltimore typically looks like, they had some weird stuff going on in this game. So Gardner Manchu, the one major error he made, he had, like, a Dan Orlovsky-esque safety, where he stepped out of the back of the end zone.

Tuffy. That made it 19 to 16 late in the game, okay? And so the Ravens get the ball back with 203 left on the ensuing kickoff after the safety. And it's like, here's your chance. You're up by three. Convert a first down or at least do what you can to give the cults in bad weather, no chance back. They have the ball for 22 seconds. The cults get the ball back.

That's where you get Matt Gay's first, 53-yard field goal that ties at 1919. All right, but the cults themselves did that so quickly that they left 57 seconds on the clock. A second problem I have here is Lamar Jackson opened up wonderfully five for five. You only had seven completions in the first half. Their offense was kind of hinky and at one point now you've got, you're on this drive and you

need to get into Justin Tucker's amazing range for a field goal. And on, let's see here, it was first and ten on the Baltimore 49 with 23 seconds remaining. Lamar Jackson starts rolling out. There's a lot of Colts pressure. It's the third week in a row where the

Colts defensive lines playing well. It's a clear place where you throw the ball away. You're not in a good situation. It's raining. And instead of it, Lamar, like, you know, assuming that he's got this escapeability, which he does, he doesn't escape. The cults are all over him. He's being dragged to the ground and then at that point tries to whip the ball flinging out of bounds, but it's ruled that his knee touches. So you're now sitting at third and 20, and he hits Nelson Aguil for 18 yards, but then you're in this fourth and two position where had you been smarter, you might have gotten further up. That's why Justin Tucker is forced to try to hit a 61-yarder

that is like a foot short. He thought he made it, though. He thought... He thought it was Tucker Knight, and then suddenly, this guy who doesn't get a lot of credit, but, oh, by the way, hit a ton of big-time kicks to win the Super Bowl, gets the biggest contract in kicker history,

and it's Matt Gay Knight. Hey. Yeah, well, I think it would have been Justin Tucker Knight had they done a few things. in the final two minutes of that game. He thought he made it, though. He was disappointed. It was right down the middle.

You can't see if it went in or not if you're in front of it. But, like, they are missing so many guys. I don't know it. They didn't have Justice Hill or Gus Edwards at one point in this game. No Ronnie Stanley. No, Tyler Litterbaum, no OBJ. Their injury report was preposterous on Friday. It was seven starters.

Yeah, and I think, like, Marlon Humphrey absence, Marcus Williams, like, that's where some of the big plays came for the cults passing. I want to mention one other guy before I passed off, like, Kyle Hamilton. Three sacks in the first half. He tied the record for most sacks in the game by a defensive back in NFL history was absolutely dominant. Tackles in the backfield, batted passes,

created so many problems for the Colts. They have a potential star player. Annoin loss for the Ravens. You've got to get the 3-0 here. How about the first place Colts? Three weeks into the season. All by their lungs. Every week.

Just feisty. Every week this season. They've been interesting to watch and for the most part successful. In fact, the game they lost was the home game. They've won both their road contests. In that AFC South, this duck's going to hunt. Pittman's a real player, too.

I think they've found a slock guy in Downs. Pittman having a nice contract here. That's hope Anthony Richardson's on the field next week. It signs are pointing toward him clearing concussion protocol. And you put him back in the line, but as much as I like Minchu, the team gets dangerous. And Jonathan Taylor, hypothetically, returns at some point. All right, let's keep moving.

All right, seriously, though, enough. Time to restore order, Chiefs against Bears. Enough. Wait a second. No, just kidding. It was in bloodline. It was a bit of bad. Third down goal to go for the Chiefs at the three-yard line.

Holmes, looking right. Back of the end zone caught. Touchdown. Kansas City for the 48th time. Finds Travis Kelsey, nine yards deep in the end zone, and the Chiefs lead 40 to nothing. Three touchdown passes for Patrick Mahomes. I'll tell you what, that felt strangely important

because the game obviously was way out of hand. The Bears aren't even a real team right now. But yet Taylor Swift, Swift, potentially the most famous woman on the planet right now, flying to Kansas City. Oh, yeah. Travis Kelsey. Yep.

If you're boat racing a team the way the Chiefs are doing, and you got T-Swift up there, you better get Kelsey a TD in this game. And I really think they were that last drive and Mahomes exited shortly after. He's like, Kelsey's scoring here and then we're done. Sure enough, Blaine Gabbard entered the game shortly thereafter and the Chiefs Coast to a

ridiculously easy 4110 win over the Bears, who again, we've covered a lot of bad teams on the show. we've covered teams that didn't win a game on this show but and I know it's the chiefs and that's important to point out and the chiefs that were hungry to get right

after a frustrating start to the season but the bears just look like they're not even coached like the bears and I know their defensive coordinator just stepped away and he's no longer with the team and Iber Flus has his hands full trying to figure out how to get Justin Fields going which by the way they still haven't figured that out three weeks in but there's just

just wide open prairie lands for these chiefs receivers and in fact if juan taylor who got benched again by the way their right tackle wow doesn't continually line up um off side or an illegal procedure by being too far off the line of scrimmage they would have scored another touchdown at the end of the half on a completely uncovered chiefs receiver wandering into the end zone uh that costs mbs a score so the chiefs make it easy look easy and the bears have never looked more long Well, I think you can put it, like, yes, it's the Chiefs, but it's the 2023 chiefs who had struggled in back-to-back weeks against defenses who've had pretty bad days this season. You know, so you can put it on Eber Fluse. He's a defensive coach, and his defensive coordinator left.

There was some more reporting about that. That was something that he did in the building. But they were dead last in every single possible defensive category since the day Eber Fluse took over in, 2022. And they've put all their resources or a lot of resources in their draft halls in defense. And so that being a failure is really reflected on Eber flu. I think they came in with essentially on paper non-existent pass rush. I'm with you, Dan. They stand out. It's the terrible week they had off the field too. You know, I think on top of everything else that we've talked about, do you know that thieves, robbers broke into Soldier Field during the week and stole over $100,000

dollars of loot. I don't know sure what the loot was. It's like, you're having a bad week. You're having a bad year, bears. And Mahomes has made a lot of defenses look sorry in his brilliant career. But it never looked easier than it did for Pat Mahomes in this game. His numbers are great for, he played like three plus quarters.

24 of 33, 272, three touchdowns, no picks, wasn't sacked. Passed rating of 127. He could have easily had five touchdown passes in the first half in this game. One touchdown got called back. Half yard line. Like I said, DeWan Taylor got another one waived off with an illegal procedure.

And it was just like, man, I don't know. Like you guys, we were talking about it in the newsroom. Like I feel like I'm waking up tomorrow and Matt Eberflus is fired. I wouldn't be stunned just because the team I watched is not competitive and doesn't seem like they're even listening to coaching right now. That's just the way it seems. It's the second week in a row where they're spending the second half panning the bear's bench. and they talked about a tangible kind of downbeat low energy a week ago and like you saw it all over again.

And I think Justin Fields got hurt at one point in this game for like the fifth time in like a year. And like Justin Fields, the passer, who seemed to grow at the end of last season. Obviously we don't solve it could do on the ground. The ground thing's not happening the same way and he's not evolving. Well, and again, he's also, this is a team-wide meltdown. He throws a beautiful dime to DJ Moore,

who is supposed to be the guy now, goes right through his hands. you could not have thrown a better ball. That's like a 50-yard game wiped away because his number one wide-out can't make a play. But otherwise, he throws for under 100 yards in this game. Like we predicted, he did run the ball more, but still, not even in the ways that you would think. Like, you didn't see a game plan in my mind

where it was like they were going for something different here. They still, and the final stats don't really tell the story. It makes it look like they ran the ball of some success. There was just nothing there during the game when this mattered. And it was just, it was a. grisly bloodbath. Well, you saw some disturbing reports if I was Eber Flus on Sunday morning

kind of like, actually we rally the troops and it brought us together and there was high energy and we had great practices. When you hear the great practices, you know it's trouble. Like, we feel really good about this going into the game and then you come out and

this shows up. And I think Eber Fluse could lose his job, Dan, but there's no one to replace him on the roster because gets he's been a bigger mess you don't have a coordinator and and so it'd have to be outside and it's so early in the season for like the total reset they play the broncos next week it's i just feel like that would happen later it's also an ownership group that has you know that they're slow to the draw yeah they're maybe a little slow to the draw older and i think it's i actually think it's a big thing for the chiefs to put a hurting on someone just to show that they

can't again you know not that i doubt it i know a lot of football fans are not even interested in the Taylor Swift side of things and find it annoying how many times they were cutting back to the booth. But like, she exists in a very special tier of celebrity right now. Like, there are

very few people in pop culture that have attained a level of success and fame that she's at. Like, if she is actually dating Travis Kelsey now, this is, I'm not going to use the D word. Distraction. But it's a, it's like a,

It's a crazy thing. Like, she is one of the most, if not the most famous woman in the world right now. And now Travis Kelsey is going to be dating her. And it's kind of just wild to wrap your head around it. Like, this is now a real thing because she was at the game sitting next to Kelsey's mom. And the repeated cuts to her and the photos from the social team in NFL. I mean, you've been a big time Swift fan for as long as I've known you. So what are your feelings?

I know you haven't watched catching Kelsey. Wes and Keisha's, you know, favorite show back in the day. I think they were the only two people that watched. Are you happy with her? With her choice? What are you, what are your feelings?

What are your feelings? I think, yeah, I think he's a, he's a good catch, nailed it. I also think, uh, uh,

it probably feels pretty doomed. I don't know. It seems like, I don't know. I gave her like good, really good, like girlfriend points for, like,

the way she was interacting with Donna Kelsey up in the little sweet there. They seemed to be getting along for real. It seemed real and organic to me. There's no way to talk about what we were talking about the news. No, but no, there is not. Not on this show. No. I'm looking at some footage of her and Travis leaving with like the Chief's jacket wrapped around her waist and stuff. I mean, it's... Ask this one question, Mark.

Answer this one question, then we'll move on. Yeah. Are they both having a light dinner tonight? I'd say certainly. Yes, I believe it. Let's move on. For the first time, are they having a light dinner? Absolutely not, in my mind. down and goal now from the five. Play fake. Gino's going to throw back in the end zone reaching up, making the catch.

Is it a touchdown? Agreed to disagree. It is a... Do disagree. Hard. Touchdown. Seahawks. We're still waiting.

Yes. Touchdown Seahawks. Jake Bobo, a high throw back line of the end zone and took the official forever. Yeah, throw that official under the bus. I love it. who said who said that cool names are gone

who said there are no more cool names Jake Bobo yeah baby Steve Rabel with the call K-I-R-O the Seahawks were back at it on offense after a tough week one, big week two and now a big week three

they rush for 146 yards on the ground Gino Smith throws a touchdown throws are nearly 300. And the Seahawks roll, 37, 27, over the Panthers. Greg, 10-point final. This is a pretty close game throughout with Andy Dalton starting for the rookie. Yeah, and Andy Dalton, I think, gave them a much better chance to win. He played well.

It just proves the infinite wisdom of the Dalton scale. I think the Dalton scale still exists. I think Andy Dalton is still the perfect person for the Dalton. line in 2023 because you throw him in there in a terrible situation where he has no running game and he's under pressure and he kept the minute for like three and a half quarters only because he could deliver under pressure. I think that numbers were crazy. It was something like 70% of plays he was pressured on and their offensive line is terrible. And the Seahawks, who I don't think of as like a rugged team dominated both lines. Ken Walker and Charbonnet end up running through

this Panthers defense who had a lot of injuries in the The Seahawks defensive line, as I mentioned, got after Dalton, despite him putting up 361 and 2, and the Seahawks move on with it, when they better have gotten. Is there any world where, like, maybe you keep Dalton in there for a while? Or is it like, you know, no matter what, we just need Bryce Young to, I mean, I think that's the latter, but it's just like. But why would you?

Don't you want the rookie to develop? I do, I do, but I think it just, they seem more competent. I don't know. Yeah, so Theelan goes 11 for 145 in a touchdown. DJ Chark had four for 86, including a beautiful throw by Doughton really played quite well in this game under the circumstances. I would say he outplayed Gino, I guess, for most of it. Gino had a couple turnover where they plays early that he got away with, did have one interception, and then he played really well in the second half, and they steamrolled.

The injuries on both sides are, though, just outrageous. I know we probably say this every year, but it really feels like more injuries this year. Both of these teams are missing, like, eight or eight. nine guys. But here's who went out for Carolina just during this game. C.J. Henderson, who had replaced J.C. Horn. Frankie Louvo, who's been maybe their best player this

year. Xavier Woods, starting safety. Jonathan Mingo had concussion at receiver. The Seahawks at one point lost the fourth of their fifth starting offensive linemen. So they're playing without three starters. They actually got them back later in the game, and Darren Reed

played well in Metcalf. And I'm encouraged that they have a running game. Ken Walker, some of the moves when you see it. Like, he's a boomer bust runner. He's the definition of it. But my God, the booms are outrageous. He had about four runs in this game that took my breath away. I like Charbonnet, too.

And Mark. Yeah, Mark and Greg. Yeah. Zach Charbonnet, what he did to Sam Franklin. That was on the goal line. I'm sure if you want to get a, like, a detailed, multiple angle look at it. I have a good feeling without consulting with the talent or the producers that that is the angry run of Good Morning Football Monday Telecast. um that poor man sam franklin got thrown five yards near the goal line like you don't really

you don't come back from that that's kind of it now i need to see the replay again because i feel like that's the rule i feel like he got up so quickly i hadn't heard of him either i think he's like the backup to the backup well he was just looking he was yeah he's not around anymore has been completed he i think he's gone yep remember in the old video games where the the bad guy would die and then he would just like disappear sure that's what happened to poor Sam Franklin it's unfair because I think

he I got to watch it again but I think he might have done the thing where he popped up and pretended to try to celebrate almost to throw the people off the set because it wasn't a touchdown he did he did go out at like the one yard light so he was like yeah I stopped you but Roberts and Chavez are all over

this we're going to watch watch us on YouTube you haven't seen this is not fair and this is what you're talking about Watch the finish. No. Jesus Christ. Give me a little Jonathan.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. He went not an exaggeration. It's also like, it's serving on his left leg and that almost propels him even farther away from the scene. That's, Sam Franklin's probably the greatest high school athlete that ever graced his particular school. Right. And he was just thrown seven feet, seven yards and then evaporated.

Not a high point. Tuffy. Anything else? I mean, this, you know, was a courageous lock that Gino came through for me in the clutch. We see what you're doing. Thanks, Gino. Good job. Nice job by you.

All right. One more game. It's Sunday night football. Can he run over 10 yards is chunk? Now this fake bootleg left. Those for the ex-out touchdown Steelers, Pat Firemooth, his second of the year. Mooth. feels it

sweet mooth that's what it is right there what a great job I'm telling you what that's a great corner route by the moot the mooth Bill Hillgrove

with a call WVE beautiful drive there led by Kenny Pickett the clinching score for the Pittsburgh Steelers who withstand a late comeback attempt by the Raiders in a 2318 win in Vegas.

In a game attended, forget about Taylor Swift. Kerry Underwood was in the truck at NBC watching her own Sunday night football theme and like bobbing her head. Well, that, okay, a bona fide star, but don't even forget about Taylor Swift. You know who I want to forget about? And we're going to talk about the Steelers.

Josh McDaniels. I can't do it. I mean, and I imagine. imagine how Raiders fans feel the I mean what are we doing like what what are we trying to do okay it's 23 7 and they score a touchdown they get a two point conversion it's 2315 it's an eight point game they get stopped what around the 25 or so Gregie and they bring out the field goal team and then they kick the field goal but wait there's a penalty leverage kind of a soft call, but whatever. Absurd call. I didn't believe. I didn't agree with the first decision to send out Daniel Carlson.

First one was crazy. It's fourth and six. You're down by eight. It's in the second half of the fourth quarter. Three, fifteen to go. They then get down inside the 10 yard line. It's fourth and four. You're down eight.

Four yards. Six plus two equals eight. And you kick a field goal because you're so confident all of a sudden in your defense to get a stop and get the ball back, which of course they don't because the football. Gods are like up your nose or the rava hose. I mean, Josh McDaniels, it boggles the mind.

Like, this is, this is an offensive guru who has like 400 Super Bowl rings. I, I'm surprised we didn't choose Daniel Carlson's 26-yard field goal as the highlight. It's a disgrace. That's Josh McDaniels' favorite play. It's so insane. Like, make a monument to cutting the lead to five Josh McDaniels because in the world that you're this confident in the world that the two. 2023 Raiders are going to get a three and out.

Like, you're making that bet. You're saying the only way we win this game is we're definitely getting a three and out. And then we're definitely getting down the field past the eight yard line where it would be easier to score a touchdown. We're definitely got to do all that in two and a half minutes. The only way that that even makes any sense is the same world where you can be confident in that same defense to get a three and out on the Steelers. Thank you.

Inside the 10 yard line and give yourself a chance to make it a next time. What's happening? This is like under Josh McDaniels, the Raiders are an identity-free offense beyond Devante Adams. Where other coaches around the league have gotten more aggressive. This is how he approaches the end of the game. We watch this in a different place. I was sitting there baffled by this. What are we doing?

Because what to suggest, number one, that you're going to get out of a second try without a Jimmy G interception or turnover? He leads the league in picks. They can't run the ball. Beyond Devante Adams, you've got nothing going up. and you're going to put yourself into a perilous situation like that. Josh McDaniels literally lowers my enjoyment of the game. I was watching that being like this rate, I am friends with some Raiders fans.

The texts are coming in left and right on this group thread. And they've lost, they're just like, how dull to the eyes can the Raiders possibly be? What do they do well? What is their identity? But it's like dull of the eyes, sure. But I'm saying just a strategic standpoint, there's nothing dull about.

2315, fourth down inside the opponent's like five yard line with a chance to potentially tie the game. Well, it must have been fourth and 17, right? And then you kick the field. Oh, no, wait. It's fourth and four. I'm sorry, four yards. And you, and you, and you know what?

Not, it wasn't just me. Gregi, I think you felt the same way, Mark. I'm sure you felt the same way when that candidate, to his credit, has the perfect play call on that third down or second down to pick up the first down that effectively end of it. You know what? Good. Take it. Yep.

Josh McDaniels. Learn from it. Yep. But the clock's ticking, my friend, because I would imagine, I don't know what you guys think about Mark Davis and his football acumen and his level of patience, but that had to be a very annoying game to watch as the owner as well,

watching the decision making it was made in crunch time. I mean, Jackpot, baby. You've given Jacobi Myers $16 million guaranteed. He's an incredible number two receiver. He's three times. the receiver that Juju Smith-Suster is who got the same amount of money from the Patriots. Greg was going through some things.

I mean, it's the one receiver the Patriots have developed in the last 15 years and you let him walk away for Juju Smith-Suster. Tuffy. Then that's on one side of the field, match up against Levi Wallace and Patrick Peterson. On the other side of the field, you have a first ballot Hall of Famer who has 172 yards and two touchdowns. How about we give one of those two guys a chance to get five yards? Couldn't do it.

Wouldn't do it. On the Steelers side, progress for offense. And you needed that. You needed something. I'm not saying they were over the moon here with offense. They only have 333 total yards. But like I said, at the top, that drive finishing with the fire move touchdown was really clinical. It was you guys watched the games that I didn't in preseason.

I bet that's what it looked like. That's how they drew it up in preseason. And it finally looked like. Now, is that something they can build on? We'll see because they're not a finished product by any means. But for the first time, as I'm watching, I'm like, okay, you see it. You can see how it could work. Yeah, I'll take it in streaks.

I mean, they had a period in this game where they scored on five of six drives. And then they were kind of quiet at the end. And that, you know, it's like you can't count on them the whole game. But I just see guys like Calvin Austin, Jalen Warren, George Pickens. And then Kenny Pickett in that stretch where they were productive tonight. I thought he threw the ball with confidence. It's like he was pretty well. And, like, he'd had one near terrible pick-six on a throat of Marcus Peters that didn't happen.

So, that would have changed the game. Absolutely. But, like, but you got a better version of Kenny Pickett tonight. It's, they've been a mystery to me because Matt Canada, obviously, like, the subject of much ire. I don't, I'm surprised he's still on the team, to be honest. But there are a lot of, there's a lot of young talent. And you started to see them get a little more creative and comfortable. So it's like you build off it.

I mean, it helps, you know, going against the Raiders, pretty limited pass rush outside of, Max Crosby, but I agree with you. They got into a rhythm. He made some throws inside the pocket, which was nice to see, not just scrambling. And, you know, they do have a defense to rely on. Look, T.J. Watt, another couple sacks. He's up to six. Leads the league.

This defensive player of the year race, I hate people talking about races after week three. But it is, it is kind of a race. I feel like there is something here though. A race, Graham, once and for all. I think there is something here between him, Watt, Garrett, especially, and Parsons starting off the three of them, like a house on fire. Those are three truly great players that are going to have this race. And then they found someone else.

They always uncover these defensive linemen. Keanu Benton, who's more of a nose tackle, defensive tackle, but getting up the field. Like, he's had another couple good weeks here. And he took over that game for a little bit in the second half. So he got some olden, too. That sack he had. He was in the backfield in the blink of an eye. and the takedown of Jimmy G.

All right. Any other thoughts? Big win. No, that's it. I don't, I will not select when we do our drafts. I will not select a game involving the Raiders unless I'm forced into it with the final pick. Again, this season, I cannot, I have to do it out of protecting self. Well, this is a primetime game.

And they have, I think, four more marks that you can't. That's generous. Why on earth were they given four of these? games. I mean, I know why it's the Raiders. By the way, you're in Las Vegas and your shiny new stadium. You guys didn't have sound where you were. Like, it was essentially three rivers. It was terrible towers left and right. I had the AirPods. Yeah, we put the iPod. I don't have AirPods in the film room, which by the way, I got off a joke that got Steve Smith howling with laughter. Well, that's why you go in that place.

I just turned back to Greg the row behind me and just bang, gave him a thumbs up. Ice up, son. Ice up. That's why you're in the film room to get that type of reaction from a Hall of Famer. From Steve Smith. And, yes, the sound wasn't on in there. And there's like 14 guys sitting in there just watching a screen with no sound. And I just, my mind was blown that everyone was just sitting in there in total silence.

Well, that was my reaction. I don't have my AirPods with me. I'll bring them next week. If the place is going to be non-functional, it's like, I was out of there. Smart. Sorry, I didn't make Steve Smith laugh with my exit or entrance, but, you know. It was guffaw. We also got some good juju, uh, juju takes from him.

I mean, it was fine. We did. Leave it there. Let him share those if he chooses to. What was the, what was the bit? Oh, I want to hear the juju stuff much more. What was my bit? It was something about nothing.

A thumbs down is, is, uh, oh, yeah, just so happens that on a, a P.I. call in the end zone. The defender for the Steelers gave a thumbs down to the referee. And I said, you know, I think I said a good thumbs down is kind of like underrated. You don't see it enough.

And Smith, he went off with laughter. And I just turned back. I look at Craig. Gave him a thumbs up. Yeah, as you should, I think that, you know. You know, in life, especially as you get older, it's kind of like the little things that you.

you take joy in wherever you can find it little pockets of happiness good up good up by the way i was off by one you guys reminded me that um the 18 games second year of the 18 game schedule i thought this is the third this is the third this is the third yes um so i think this was our 75th uh sunday flagship show on the regular season 175 feels that way 175 yeah that's because it is according to our conversation. All right. This is when you know. It's like Sunday night at 9 p.m.

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