NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2023 Week 5 Recap

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap Week 5 of the 2023 season. The heroes start with the Jaguars and the Bills facing off in the London (01:41), the Ravens at the Steelers (11:56), the Chiefs at the Vikings (20:31) and the Bengals at the Cardinals (29:42). After the break, the heroes run through Eagles at Rams (38:11), Texans at Falcons (44:50), Titans at Colts (53:37), Giants at Dolphins (01:03:27), Jets at Broncos (01:12:41), Saints at Patriots (01:22:30), Panthers at Lions (01:32:35) and finally the Cowboys at the 49ers (01:38:41). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, the flagship program. Week 5. Auga. I sure do love football. Well, you better, because it's, you know, on these Sundays with these London games, it's about 12 hours of football in a row. And I made a huge mistake because I got up, you know, like a professional. I got up at 625.

Bro who's a pro. Right? Started watching that game at 6. had a massive, like, jug of coffee. Came in, I've been hanging out with Greg since, you know, 839. That idea. And I had six more cups of coffee today. I normally don't drink more than one in a day.

How much is in the jug? The first one was a large mug. So that's like two. Two and a half, I'd say, honestly. So you've had eight and a half cups of coffee? I lost count and realized at some point. It's largely out of boredom a little bit. Well, we'll let our listeners decide if it's a performance-enhancing drug or not.

We'll be evaluating your performance closely. Yeah. Shaking. Yeah. All right. We're going to keep an eye on you, Mark. And we're going to keep an eye out in Denver to make sure there's not so many tears that it leads to flooding in that great state of Colorado. Oh, wow. You know, private tears for Kevin James and company. But we'll get to that later. Big day of football. Let's start where we are heading in 48 hours to London. Second down and eight from the 35-yard line of the bills. The bills are out of timeouts. They've got none left. Under center.

Eight and a half cups. They're running again with E.T.N. He burst out of there. 25, 20, 15, 10, 5. Touchdown. Travis E.D.N. I'll put a nail in this thing. E.D.N. scores.

How good is that? Very good. If you are a Jaguars fan, I like that. Traversey team again, who rushed for 136 yards and two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. And the Jaguars take out the bills, 2520 at Tottenham Hotspur's Stadium in the second of three London games this month. We, like I said, will be at the hot toddy next Sunday for Titans Ravens. But for right now, let's talk about an upset, Gregie. Let's start here.

And the obvious note, we doomed the bills with the triple lock. they played like a jet lag team that flew to Europe fueled by irrational ATN confidence and one hit us three in a row give it to us one

that's for Greg that's a dad and a two and the one more that's a big loser a trio of losers we heard from a lot of Jags fans I just want to say thanks to you guys

for following me on that lock if I'm gonna lose my first lock of the year this is the way to Like how the way your brain works. Like we were following you. I said it first and then you guys jumped on. As if, as if, Greg. But you know what?

As I said, I was okay with losing this because that would take, I'm Mercury Morris popping the champagne bottles because Greg, you just took it out. Auga. That's not the way I look at it. But look, I should have known you go against teams when it comes to the locks. And I wasn't really buying what the Jaguars had done this season to this point. but this performance on both sides of the ball was so complete and so special.

But Trevor Lawrence was the one that was ultimately special. We could have, if we wanted, run the highlight of the key play of the game that was earlier in that drive, the game winning drive, when it's third and four, and Travis, Trevor Lawrence, checks to a play. It was confirmed by Calvin Ridley afterwards. It was going to be a running play. He saw that Calvin Ridley has single coverage on the outside,

I believe it was with the safety, and he says, I'm taking that. I'm going to go hook up the guy that we signed for all this money, traded for all these picks and go to them on the outside. And it beat an aggressive Sean McDermott who had to start sending extra rushers late in the game because of injuries. It was a perfect throw. It was a perfect catch. And I don't know if they really had that outside receiver a year ago at this time

that can win that specific play and a beautiful play, and that's a game-winning play. I mean, what we saw from Calvin Ridley in the opener, I thought if we're going to get this every week from him, this offense is totally transformed. And it's been like quiet since then to some degree. Today, when they were up 11-0-0 and dominating Buffalo, who I'm with you, I feel like I don't, you can't just tag a team with jet lag,

but like they seemed like Stefan Diggs called a Josh Allen's sleepy head after he. Yeah, it wasn't joking because as we know, the Jags were there for two weeks and the bills, I think, got there like 48 hours before the game. I think that makes a huge difference. I think it's a factor, and it's like, I think all these teams are learning, like, how to deal with the London thing,

and it was a massive advantage. And, like, the bills, I think, on top of it, came out complaining about the field. I mean, outside of the result, to lose Matt Milano, who is a core centerpiece of your defense, looks like he's out for the year. Dequan Jones, a PFF darling,

they lost him. Von Miller didn't finish the game. He's, like, Leonard Floyd got banged up, Ed Oliver, Teron Johnson, Dion Dawkins. like they really like this is one of those games where it's like you lost and you were averaging 40 points a game everything went wrong like what i liked about the bills the last couple of weeks was the balance where they were running the ball so well and they had 15 yards from the running back stage just sort of everything went wrong and even they still had a chance to but i give the jacks credit for that like their run defense has been outstanding that was the worst bills rushing game since 2014 the entire mcderma era that was worse and they came into this game running the ball great and i'm glad you highlighted that past to Ridley, uh, which they hit with, uh, what was it about 309 to go in the fourth quarter. Uh, that player you're, yes. And, um, it was a perfect throw, uh, with pressure and Ridley making the big play.

That's why they brought him in here. And I think the throw is also kind of emblematic of in general, Trevor Lawrence. And I know like PFF for instance had him as the number two QB. I believe it was. Yeah, they do to this point. He had been playing well. It just the team hadn't really been playing well. was a throw that in the box score maybe just looks like a 25 yard pass whatever but that's like

that is what Trevor Lawrence is capable of I think this guy has huge moments in his career ahead of them and big games in January and we're just starting to scratch a surface so it's like as as as flat as the Jaguars have felt this game was the one that was like okay you picked up the one win last week in London that was fine you win this game it's like you're you kind of his service as a reminder they should be taken seriously in an AFC that again, Gregi, feels just so wide open right now where we stand that why can't the Jags get hot and figure some things out and with Lawrence

at the controls be a team that can get out of there? I always try to, I think September is relatively irrelevant. That's a terrible quote. They do count. I mean, the games count the same, but you want to be rounding into form. Right now, the Jaguress feel better than they have all season. Like, there are certain things that have been frustrating.

Lawrence going through his progressions too quickly and taking the checkdown. Today they were throwing deeper down the field throughout, like plus 10 throws from the very beginning. So it wasn't just the checkdowns today. I thought that was better. Like, okay, our offensive line might not be great, but let's let Trevor Lawrence do what he does best, which is avoid sacks, which he did today so many times. And I do think McDermott's changed who they are in Buffalo a little bit because of the injuries and because he's different on Leslie Frazier and sending lots of pressure. And for the most part, the pressure got there

and Lawrence just made the miss. And I think he's going to have to start. thinking about changing who he is in terms of what he tells Ken Dorsey to do on fourth downs because there were twice in this game early where they had a fourth and one and a fourth and three they didn't go for either one and I don't know with with these injuries and I know one of them was on their side of the field and so it's hard to ask but this is such a good offense I feel like you should do it the Milano injury that you referred to already that is that's just rough for them to to quote Damashuk he's the janga piece of their defense and if this is it if the way he was carted off and I don't know what the reporting out there is right now

but if he had like what NFL network described with Rich Eisen on the call that he had the air cast on it as they took him out the field that's never a sign he has been diagnosed with a fractured leg so brutal brutal loss so that that is a huge challenge now for Sean McDermott because I think this defense we were talking about it going into this game this seat was rounding up as the most well-rounded bills a team in some time and now It's like, are they going to be the, I don't think they'll be, they can't be as good. If you take Joe Davis White out of this mix and now you take Matt Milano out of the mix, that's two major pieces of what they're trying to do.

Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is trying to find the team that can survive injuries or stay relatively healthy. And I know we say that, I feel like Greg, we've talked about this like every Sunday. He's like, are there just more injuries than normal this year? And it's like probably statistically not. But it's like the bills were ravaged today, totally taken up. I think AJ Epinessa had a great game. in with a lot of these guys out right stuff like that they do you ran out of gas well yeah i mean it's just i don't know i just uh i will say one thing like i know we're kind of been hot

and cold on travis et n i thought he looked not me 1804 8184 yards from scrooge he's mr london he had 114 uh you got to give urban mire his props that draft class he had was pretty good at well is it his draft class that's the first sign that's ever said uh their draft class since irvin mire haven't really been too good but that one worked out uh uh uh you Yes, anything else to hit on this game? I think they should just stay in London. Well, here's, I mean, listen, I'm not taking anything away from the day. They put so much into growing their brand in London.

And that was a Bill's crowd. That's a tough one. That's probably a little bit of humble pie for Jack's ownership. That really has invested in being the team there. But what we've learned and what we've seen, and we're going to see it again next week when we're there, is that these games become a celebration for everyone to rep their favorite players and their favorite teams, but Bill's Mafia either traveled incredibly well,

and I was part of it, or maybe this Jaguars foothold isn't necessarily what you think of it is. Or they were pretty loud for the Jaguar too. It's one of those like sort of they're just having a good time there. Right. There could be a massive amount of UK-based bandwagon fans that jumped on the Bill's bandwagon, too. Yes.

As Hank said to us, handsome Hank, Henry Hodgson, Vice President out there, that the Patriots were like the most popular team there in the last 20 years. And that's probably going to fade away now. and we'll get to the Patriots later so we'll see what happens but that crowd is red hot there the hot toddy they were singing they were doing

oasis karaoke yeah save that energy for when Zusser gets there I was thinking I heard that driving in and like I was like if they don't repeat that simply for you alone sweet Caroline I understand that's becoming a tradition for the London fans and that was a goose bumps moment but

what I what I need is a little don't look back in it I don't know I feel like Sweet Carolina is our most embarrassing export right now. Let's be better America. Bam, bro. It's got company. Aren't you from the Boston area? Like a lot of Red Sox kids, I've always hated the Sweet Caroline thing.

Oh, Gregie. Oh, Gregie. Come on. The New England fans are in trouble. What's he doing? All right. Let's move on. Head back to our shores and to Pittsburgh where, oh, my God. This is one of the craziest games I've ever watched. Steelers down two.

trying to get into at least field goal range here's the shotgun snap blitz he's back he throws it down the nearest sideline pickens has it Pittsburgh Steelers tech now pick it to pickens 41 yards and you have to be here it's the go broke and go he did that's his sweetest my aunt nilly blueberry pie baby oh oh put that eric into the folder best calls of the year who is Aunt Millie's, blueberry pie? I'd have to go check that again, but I believe it was Aunt Millie. Okay, please do. Bill Hillgrove, and that was Craig Wolfley, I believe, with a call, WDVE.

The Steelers had no business even having an opportunity to take the lead in the fourth quarter on Sunday at the field, formerly known as Heinz. But the Ravens made 34,000 mental and physical errors. And that's an exact figure. I was tracking it. Right on the dot. Yeah, it rounded there. And Kenny Pickett delivered that 41-yard rainbow to George Pickens with 117 to go.

Allowed the Steelers to rally to a crazy 17 to 10 win. And the reason I say they had no business, boys, is this is one of the worst performances by a group of skill players around a quarterback that you will ever see. Lamar Jackson time and time again throughout this game and he's not completely innocent because he had a horrific interception in the final minutes that played a role in how things ended. But he threw not one, not two, but three balls that absolutely should have been touchdowns.

All of them dropped. We also had a fumble near midfield. I mentioned Jackson had a interception of his own and all these physical errors allowed a Pittsburgh team that looked horrific for especially the offense I should say

but the defense wasn't any great shakes either they were getting bailed out by Ravens errors allowed them to hang around and every time you just felt like the game was over Gunner O'Shefsky yeah he muffed a punt in the final minutes and it's like all right after all that madness Pittsburgh had just they're not going to

they're not going to do it that's when Jackson throws the pick and that leads to the big touchdown finally picket to pickens and by the way matt canada that's a great play call because you could have played that conservative but they surprised the ravens and beat him with the big throw so it's it's a crazy game mark because the the ravens had no business losing it and it's going to be something their fans ravensons will never forget this loss because it was that bad and it came against your hated rival in a very kind of ravensy Steelers-y type bizarro affair.

This was a weird stat. That John Harbaugh, there are four occasions where John Harbaugh has held the Steelers to three points through three quarters. They are 0 and 4 under John Harbaugh in those games. A lot has to happen for that to unfur all the way it did today. And it came just in time for Pittsburgh in terms of like when they finally got that pass to George Pick and two. I thought it was sort of an edging on the world of becoming a true star.

And he's had a bit of a tough season in that offense. 0 for 8 on contested catches coming into this game. Not anymore. Turn that around today. Two for two on the game winning drive. Yeah, so that's who he is. But it's like, I mean, I feel like we were three quarters into this. And it's like, were they going to fire Matt Canada at halftime?

And it's like, this guy seemed presumably just out the door. And you get what you did. Joey Porter Jr. makes a big play. It's like, I really always love that draft pick. And Alex Highsmith had a big play. And they thought maybe he wouldn't even play today. Any of that big strip sack. So I don't know.

If you're balts, I'm with you. like this is a, this is a tough one to swallow. I didn't even mention the block punt that was nearly picked up for a touchdown, but went for a safety. Right. John Harbaugh, and we'll hear for John Harbaugh in one second. John Harbaugh also passed on a

41-yard field goal for Justin Tucker. That would have been some stat, not just stat padding. It would have given them just a little more breathing room. And yet almost stubbornly, it was like he was so confident that the Pittsburgh Steelers would never put anything together that he thought he could get that first down.

And they don't get the first down. And he leave points on the board. Harbaugh after the game said, We just got to get better operational things and clean stuff up and make those plays. I think we're that close in so many ways. But that's the difference in a game on the road like this in this kind of a rivalry game.

So we'll learn from it. We have to and get better and move forward and be better next week in those areas. It's like people talked about this as potentially the best division in football. and I see major questions marks with every one of them. Well, the Ravens, though, should be 5 and 0. So if you had asked me going into today,

who had the worst loss of the season? The game in which they had the most opportunities to win, and they absolutely blew it time after time, I would have immediately said Ravens Colts, week three. Yeah. That was the worst loss of the season to me. They had about 15 different times in that game where if they just made one player or didn't do something stupid,

they would have won that game and they lost that game and then they lost this one. And I don't think that's something that's like analytically going to continue season after season, but I do think you have personalities within a season.

And the fact that they have messed that up and that John Harbaugh coaches up one of the worst special teams units I've ever seen. I mean, it has Justin Tucker on it and Tucker has been fine. But other than that, their special teams has cost them

literally every single game. They went into this week, 29th and DVOA terms of special teams, despite having Tucker. And week after week, that that's been a huge problem for them, and they do it again. Well, and even in that Colts game, and this is not on Justin Tucker, he's super human, but to have him miss that 61-yard field goal, it fell just feet short. That was the difference in that game.

Right. But even, yeah, the punt block was huge, and it stinks because Lamar has played, you know, sounds like he played well. But he also turned the ball over there two times with a chance to win. and he will feel like he should have done. Is O'Dell Beckham still a difference maker on any level? No. Was he just fading into the woodwork here?

He was a difference maker for a few weeks, like three years ago. Well, yeah. But for the most part, he is who he is. He's hurt all the time. He left this game after missing a couple weeks. But like... That pick and catch, by the way, before the game winner was special. And that was like an O'Dell Beckham type of catch.

And that is like someone putting the team on his back as a receiver and making two plays that not too many people would... And listen, Pittsburgh's three and two. I don't really, you know, of course Baltimore could be five, five and no, but they're not. They're three and two. Pittsburgh, they could be own five. Like Pittsburgh has been, well, I don't know. I don't know about O and five, but they could easily be one and four.

Like they are a team that, um, has still major issues on offense. And, and I got, I didn't get into it, but I was catching a little bit of heat from Steelers fans on Twitter, uh, because I, I had, um, I had the surprise they can spell. Yeah. Yeah. This is your team. This is your 12 with team. Well, we're, hey, we're a quarter of the way there. I had the goal to just reference the offensive struggles, but not put, pin it directly on Matt Canada.

And that fan base is so zeroed in on Canada that every time in that stadium, they ran the ball in first down. The booze came running down. And then that's part of what their frustration is that there's a predictable nature to the offense. So it doesn't cure everything. Again, just like they made like the Cleveland game comes to mind. Like you came out of that game. That feeling great about Cleveland, at least. not on offense, but they made enough

plays to get by. Same thing happened here. Pittsburgh is by no means fixed on offense, but the defense makes big plays and there is potential there if they could just clean things up themselves. But man, Baltimore won this more than Pittsburgh won't it? You are 2 and 0 in your division if you're Pittsburgh. I don't

buy into the future journey, but that's not the worst. And Mike Tomlin's kind of owned this rivalry. I think it's 6 of 7 right now. Six of 7 or 7 of 8? All right. I called it what was it, the Battle of the Golden Retriever versus the German Shepherd. Chiefs Vikings from Minneapolis.

I thought it would be close. It was pretty close. Let's head to Minnesota. 27 to 20, Kansas City, five seconds to go in the game. The Vikings had the ball at the Kansas City, 38-yard line. Chiefs have four guys. DB's back along with Kelsey. Cousins trying to be harassed.

Stepping up, he's sacked. And that will be that. A sack of groceries to take home. It's a grab and go. Isles on line. Take it and run with it. A sack by Mike Danna to end the game. And the Kansas City Chiefs have their first win in the Twin Cities since 1996.

And Patrick Mahomes gets a victory here. The last team he has not beaten. Good little nugget. Good little nugget. Already. That's fast. Midge Holtis, who had a bunch of crazy stuff. that call there. Chiefs Radio. Yes, Patrick Mahomes through two touchdown passes. Travis

Kelsey, a real injury scare, an ankle injury in the first half. But he came back and of course he scored a touchdown. And the chiefs get that stop that they needed at the end to take home a 27 to 20 win over the Vikings who fall to one and four. And yes, this was a game guys where again, you're seeing the chiefs. It doesn't come easy for the chiefs. uh on offense right now it just and if kelsey is going to be less than 100 percent and quite frankly despite all the taylor swift drama and the excitement around kelsey he hasn't had a big time kelsey year this year he seems to be you know he missed week one and i don't want to say he's been a step slow but he's definitely been kind of banged up along the way and it happened again here

so if you don't have kelsey playing at peak form i think that's what the difference between last year and this year is and you can say the enemy's gone too but you know, Andy's calling the plays here, is that they were able to paper over any deficiencies in terms of their skill group because Kelsey was playing at an all-world level. When he's coming down a little bit here, then you're putting Mahomes in a more difficult situation.

So that said, you take care of business in this game. This was a game that Vikings really needed to win, and yet Kansas City, as they often do, they found a way. I think it was unintentional on that. call by Mitt told us that he said he said Kirk Cousins trying to be harassed but that kind of was how that play played out that Kirk Cousins went back there and almost started looking for the pressure not looking to go down but as if like he's expecting that pressure to get there and to not throw the ball up is just such a frustrating Kirk Cousins way to end that game yeah I mean

they're now one in four and one score games you know la da we know that we know that they're heading direction but this was an odd one um from a distance because like both teams had only eight drives and i know the chiefs have been i think they're kind of they're missing obviously like a chess piece a mismatch type guy that you can pair with kelsey he wasn't there in week one kelsey you missed him for part of today he's banged up um and it's like who do you turn to and like yet what i do like about them and why i trust them and that they'll work the way out of this is like you have a nine play touchdown drive you have a 12 play field goal drive you've got another 10 play field goal drive and then two pair twin 11 play touchdown drive so it's not perfect and there's

there's something about them that's like you're kind of a bit of a frustrating watch at times but i trust them worked the way out of it and they're still moving the ball and like i i think of anything that stood out to me in this game was when you're the vikings and you're trying to win these tight games because it seems like every week you're in them you can't blow your third time out with like nine minutes to go and i'm not like a time person a time out person that doesn't stick in my head too often, but it's like, nine. That was mismanagement. Nine minutes to go. You call your third time out in a game where you're scrambling on the last possession. So, you know, I would have to, where you take a delay a game penalty to turn a fourth and seven with the game on the line to a

fourth and 12. Like, and I'm not saying that they needed their time out there. That would have been a waste of it there too. It's just like the operation was struggling. Yeah. And, uh, you know, that's Kevin O'Connell and Kirk Cousins. They have to wear that. But yes, and going back to Kelsey, it was pretty frightening because there was a world where as I was coming to the office after the end of the second quarter, I was like, did Travis Kelsey just blow his Achilles? It was a bad step. The way it turned and then he slams the helmet down when he gets to the sideline.

And but he returned and X-rays came back negative and obviously they seem to dodge a major bullet. But they're not in the clear, Gregie. There seems like there's something they need on offense to click in here. Somebody has to step into a role. Maybe it's Rice who had a score today. But they're able to get through things, even though they're not the chiefs that we know. Maybe it's someone on the trade market at some point.

If there was a team that. Nicole Hardman, maybe. I don't think they want Mikul back. Jerry Judy. Because these close games, you know, we've talked all season about the regression for the Vikings. you know who won their last six games last year by one score, including all three in the playoffs, the Kansas City Chiefs,

and then three out of four this year in one score games. But to be able to win in different types of ways is still extremely impressive to me because they're a defensive team. They can run the ball when they needed to. But the whole idea of like, you can't blitz Patrick Mahomes anymore. Brian Flores, I think, blitzed them more than any team has in three or four years.

And, you know, they only ended up with 333 yards, you know, 5.2. I mean, I know they got it done, but they weren't killing them like you would previously when you blitzed. No, I do think the Vikings defense has shown improvement. Like this scheme works for them and it's like they're missing parts though.

Not enough, though. It's four or five. Who? Oh, yeah, the West Bros. Yeah. Come on. I don't have all the brothers. You could say some of the brothers pick.

The Cincinnati Zoo. I didn't even, I was busy, you know, prepping for the show, but apparently there's a all-out, like, war and the text thread between. Yes. Wesleying brothers after a lock? I checked that out.

after work. Greg, what's going on? Well, it seemed very fiery. I mean, they just picked up a game on everyone in the standings

after our, our bozo lock in Buffalo. How are they fighting? I'm now dead left. Phil sends out, yeah, that Mackey's on a roll. His son and Nick is not pleased

even that, that Phil's progeny. And he says, quote, the Rosenthal approach is working, which I don't know what that is winning. Duh, winning.

Nick says, Nick, Nick approaches ratings gold. And, uh, and that it's embarrassing. I don't know. Get them back in the cages.

By the way, I've been beaten by a youth and now sit in last place. It happens, Mark. A lot of season. A lot of season left. For the record, Marks, I know you asked about this.

You were all over this. What? Jim Nance has an update on what everybody wanted to know. Oh, sure. Does this romance between Kelsey and Taylor Swift extend to Minneapolis? In the fall, listen in.

Jim Nance. Welcome back to U.S. Bank Stadium here in Minneapolis. In case you're wondering, the seven words I thought would never leave my lips in my career. What are they? Taylor Swift is not at the game. That's a first street. I've never said that before.

There's a broken heart of people. I just saw on the stands. She was questionable all week, but it looks like it's officially enacted. I see what you did. Yeah, I see. They're like literally people consoling each other there. With Swifties on the back of their jersey. There was a girl there.

It just looked like she was in her 20s that had a Taylor Swift Vikings jersey. Did she, did that young woman spend like $100 to wear a jersey that game on the off chance of Taylor Swift would be sitting like 300 feet up in a lot of reasons? Is that what's happening here? Because there's no other scenario

she would have bought that jersey you know weeks ago or a month. She is the Pied Piper. I think the NFL is absolutely in love with the whole situation. The only thing worse than silence after a joke, though, that Jim names makes is Tony Romo's fake laugh. Like, that's actually worse. Silence would be better. Romo was not listening.

There's no chance. Definitely should mention Justin Jefferson, who got banged up in this game as well. He had a hamstring tweak. We're not sure about the severity of it, but obviously that would be very bad news. Kevin O'Connell didn't sound overly optimist. He didn't know, but he also said, We believe our offense will be in good shape whenever J.J. gets back. So it looked. I mean, it just looked like, oh, that's going to be lingering on his body for months.

I like watching the Vikings, but not if Justin Jefferson ain't home. All right. Let us head to the desert where the Cardinals drew another tough opponent. But are the Bengals a tough opponent right now? Well, let's see what happened today. Second and goal from the three. Burrow in the gun. He catches at the eight. He fakes to mix. Now rolling to the right, backpedaling to the 13. Throws, caught. Jamar Chase on the back line of the end zone with his third touchdown catch as he sets a new Bengals record with his 14th catch of the game.

Unbelievable. He's like, DJ Moore? I got you. Okay. Uh-oh. AFC. Joe Burrow might be back. The quarterback threw for 317 yards

and three touchdown passes all to, yes, Jamar Chase, matching what DJ Moore did on Thursday night football. See, that's how it tied together. And he finished with a season high 100. You see that? That is a professional lever pull by you, Dan. He finished with a season high $1.90, a buck 92.

That didn't match DJ more, though, to be fair. No, but, you know, in terms of, like, catches. He eclipsed him. And then he matched touchdowns. And the game, it's about scoring. Really digging in on this angle. Well, fantasy point. It was challenged.

And the Bengals beat the Cardinals 3420. Let's now welcome in a man who I'm sure watch us like the rest of us with trepidation. Which version of Joe Burrough showed up and obviously was a far more productive version, Mr. Shook. How do you look to you? almost 100%. He was about as close as it gets to 100% for a guy who was lingering at about 50% through the first month of the season.

It felt like I watched Joe Burrow go into some healing cryogenic chamber from some sci-fi movie and stepped out and was like, I'm back and I'm here to destroy the Cardinals. Maybe he borrowed Mr. Johnson and Johnson's cryo chamber in Malibu. You never know.

Or wherever they froze Ted Williams. Yeah, that is Arizona. It is in Arizona. That is the right state. So that's how he played. It definitely proved it. Joe Burrow was fantastic guys. He was great.

This is the most, I was watching this pretty closely. It's like the most hopeful thing that happened all day today, league-wide, because it's like. Well, Sean Payton lost today. All right. Well, there's coming from, depending on your POV, but it's like, we were watching a player that simply couldn't function. And it's like, I don't know what happened over the last week.

I mean, I do. His body, you know, healed. I guess that's from a bird's avie. That's what happened. But like, it happened suddenly quickly. and like Jamar Chase who was lost in space for the whole first part of this season what happens to him is insane

and it's like we can believe in this team again in a really weird AFC I kind of feel like this was one of the bigger turning points we've seen in the first month I believe Javar Chase after the game tweeted 7-11 you know always open because he was always open in this game yeah it was remarkable Mark you're absolutely right I mean it was a it was a game where you went in and thought

well if Joe Burroughs still what he's been for the last month the card also have a chance because they play with their hair on fire at every game and they're a little sloppy and sometimes they come away with victories and other times they make it interesting. Well, they made this one interesting, but they just didn't have enough to keep up with the newly reimagined Joe Burrow and Jemar Chase out to set records and give multiple touchdown pass. Why are you talking like that?

I love it. I like it. I enjoy it. He's fired up. Continue to talk like that. I thought it was very telling after the game Joe Burrow said that this felt like their game a year ago against New Orleans, I believe was the example. that I don't think they, did they win that?

They won that game in New Orleans. And that was a bit of a turning point where they started the season slow and it was the slug fest back and forth. And I also looked at those touchdowns and I wouldn't watch this game closely, but I saw enough to see those two plays were out of the pocket.

They were not first reaction plays. They were second reaction plays, you know, creative, him moving. And that just like those plays were not available the last few weeks. That makes pretty big. difference. That was the key to me. That was the big difference was that he was navigating the pocket. He was rolling out. He was even scrabling a little bit for some positive gains. I felt

like I've gone on a time machine back to last year. Maybe it was New Orleans. Maybe it was another game. He was back to his old self. Now, I'm not going to say he's 100% yet because we haven't quite seen that, but he's really close to it. He's so much further along than he was before. And like Dan said, better watch out AFC because if this is the Bengals, even without T. Higgins, if Joe Burroughs back like this, they are a force in this conference again, not just the division, but this conference and that whole month where they were not good, well, you all took that for granted. Yeah, because he's Burrow, and when

he's healthy, they're going to be good. Here's the quote from him about, he's admitting, Joe Burrow, that what he wasn't and what he was today, about his mobility, moving out of the pocket. It's something I haven't been able to do the last couple of weeks. When the quarterback can't do that, can't steal first downs, can't extend plays to find

guys, it's tough to move the ball. It felt good today. It does beg the question when he was acknowledging, he couldn't do any of those things. Should he have been playing? But there's also this like the magic of Burrow and why I think he's one of the more dynamic talents that's entered the league in a long time is that he does have that kind of that magic to him. And when they needed to gut out that win when they were 0 and 2 and avoid one, an 0 and 3 start, he got that. And now after an ugly game last week, backs against the wall again, he finds away. And I don't know what cryo chamber he was in or if it's just time is allowed the cat to get healthier.

we certainly he's not out of the woods because he's already had one significant setback but like it's just the magic of this guy and how special he is and it's why if if this is going to be a situation where he's going to continue to build on this like they are going to be a house on fire down the stretch just like they were last year yeah so far I mean their defense is playing well their defense is what's kept them in most of the games that they've been close in that's what won than the ranns game Joe makes him looked good just overall as a unit they look solid and And if they get the momentum going here, then, you know, everybody better watch it out. The Cardinals are, they're hyper frisky.

And I think that's, like, they're enjoyable to watch, in my opinion. They had a really big goal line stand on Joe Mixon when they were only down 14 to 10. And you thought at that point, like, are they going to do what they've been doing week after week? And then they, then Josh Dobbs, who has been pretty good this season. That's right. They were up 14 to 10 at that point. Up 14 to 10. And then, like, he throws the pick six.

and, like, you kind of feel the tide turning at that point. And it's like, that's a team that can't make that key mistake. I mean, but they, I will say that, like, they seem well coached to me. They're buying into it. Like, this Dennis Gardet guy is, like, out there kicking people's butts. I kind of just like them. We know. Yeah, they, the buy-in is definitely there.

But I think it's more of a team that's just like playing with a point of brew. They didn't, but I don't know what. They lost James Connor. And the defense has stung. The defense has stung. The schedule has been brutal, so that's part of it. But the defense, it's a bottom five defense in every possible category. And they got to be feeling like they got a little unlucky here.

And they're one and four and they've been outscored 6936 the last two. No, I know. I just want to like, no, no. I'm not saying like, hey, go, everyone goes on watch, go buy tickets to the game. But it's like they've got a bunch of draft picks and like, I think there's effort there. I think what's gone is the thought that they're the bottom of the league. They are, they could be a little bit frisky strong. They could be feisty.

Yeah, friskey is not the word. That's fine. But I think the story here is Joe Burrow and the Bengals. No, I think it's the, I'm kidding. I think, you know, if we, uh, shook, I just want to. And they, they didn't have, uh, Higgins in this game, correct? Correct. You did not play.

So, you know, they weren't even at full strength. So their ability to put up points. That's a good sign. Anything else, Nick? No, I mean, if the Bengals are like this for a while, you know, the next month, then they're going to be in the conversation. The Cardinals are fun to watch, though. They're a fun watch.

They're one game back, the Bengals. I mean, after all this, they're what, they're one game back and in a division that we've said is maybe not as ironclad as we thought it was back in August. I believe more than any other team in the AFC North right. Yes, the Ravens are dumb. That was dumb. So bad. All right. Idiots.

Shuki. A one and done for you today. Enjoy the rest of your song. This is what we call a cameo. Yeah, rest up because we're going to need you a big time next week. It's going to be a lot of Shucky. Heavy lifting. All that grunting that's pumping. I'm preparing for it. Yes, sir. All right. Let's take a break.

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I don't say, in the off-season. Of course I do. It depends to where, but yeah, of course, I'd like to. It feels like a quaint mid-20th century thing to just go for a Sunday drive. Well, I think back then it was like, you're one of the rare people that own a car. It's a big deal. Now it's like. What was the mid-20th century like?

How would I know that? You got a big birthday coming up, buddy. This week? I'm not turning 80. I'm just saying, it's a. a big one. Yeah, I don't, I'm trying not to focus on that, but you're right. All right. Let's get to it. Across the sidewalk, we go. Rams have to get to the Eagles 44 for a first down. Can the Eagles stop them? And in all

practicality, end the game. Stafford again in the gun. Practicality. Stafford calling for the football. Stafford takes the snap. He's back. Here comes the rush again. They hit him. We go. Head him, daddy goes. It is Hassan Reddick again. Oh, Hassan Reddick. You a dirty dog, Merrill Reese, with the call. The big takedown of Matt Stafford put to bed any thoughts

the Rams could shock the defending conference champions. And they score that road win. 23 to 14 over the Rams. Another frisky team this year, but this is the Philadelphia Eagles. Greg Hertz, Jalen Hertz, threw for 303 yards in a touchdown. He rushed for 72 and another score

and take care of business effort here by Philly. I love this game by the Eagles. I love this team. They're so good. I thought it was so fitting watching that replay, seeing Nick Siriani sprint down the field to go congratulate Hassan Reddick because Reddick's been in the crosshairs

of like, why isn't Hassan Reddick getting anything done? And all weeks, Sierraanna's seen he's getting close. He's getting close. It's going to happen. And then he gets back-to-back sacks on those plays. You know what else? See, Rianney was talking about all week. He said, don't worry.

Dallas Goddard is going to be part of this offense. He had under 90 yards on the season going into this game. What happens here? They feature him early. He's busting open those zones in the Rams coverage, eight for 117 and one. Most teams go into games, and they're just like, how do we find a way to win?

Like, the Eagles are like, how do we start pumping up the size? stars that we have that haven't quite gotten their taste lately. I bet it'll be Devante Smith next week because he's been quiet and they were talking to him on the sideline. I also think they get into these games and they kind of just feel it out and they figure out what do we need in this game. And in this game in the second half, they clamped down and they really dominated with

long drives on offense and a lot of pressure on defense and made the Rams offense in the second half look as bad as it's looked all year. One thing about them because, you know, it was like the narrative like what's wrong with they're passing a game, where's the explosive plays. And so they use the ground game to destroy people. And like, in this game, midway through the third quarter, they had 11 yards on the ground by running backs. And you're seeing Dallas got it explode out of nowhere.

And I'm with you, there's the versatility in like A.J. Brown, who is largely unstoppable. The Rams hung around in this, but it's the Eagles who just like have so many ways to attack, that it almost is like you're happily picking on the opponent with whatever player you want to choose. And it's like this week it's a different cast. the characters in last week we saw hurts on the ground a bunch more um i don't know i don't have a lot of questions about the eagles yeah it seems unfair because they have so much talent and they

they're just so well coached dylan carter had two more sacks it's the same building uh where he won the national title um in january and you know they they could have been 23 is not an overwhelming offensive score uh but they had drives that lasted 17 plays 15 plays 10 plays that that led to nine points, three field goals. So Greg, a little better execution there in this game is maybe a 40 burger or whatever. But again, with the with the Eagles, and this is what I was trying to say, I guess last week, that like their problems are like the rich people problem who live up on the hill behind the gates. You know, like they're the you need an intercom to get into the neighborhood is the type of problems we're dealing.

Yeah, their problem is like suddenly Jason Kelsey's exploding on the sideline because it's a fight that they're very productive, but he's upset about, I guess, calls coming in late. He just did that for his podcast. You know that was 50% chance he just did that for them to have something to talk. I don't doubt that at this point. I do think he cares about the Sunday job. Like the Jags,

I think their best two weeks of the season, though, are their last two. So they're getting better as they go. And Jalen hurts that whole discussion. And I was saying it too that he was struggling relatively inside the bucket. That's over too, because he has played beautifully these last two weeks. weeks. He's played as well as any quarterback in the league the last two weeks. And they actually did make a point today to send them on some design runs early. And it was very key early that he was picking up first downs with the legs. And that was Jalen Carter, Texer, X are just so fast. And

they just, they killed the Rams in the second half. They had five possessions. They had under 100 yards. They were just punting, punting, putting it over on downs and quick drives. I haven't seen the Rams offense look that bad in the second half. First half they look like they always looked. And Cooper Cup did return to this game. Yeah, how do you look? He looked like Cooper Cup. Eight for 118. I think he had almost 60 yards on five catches in the first drive alone.

It looks like he was going to finish with like 18 catches. Right. And I don't think he ran out of gas because he made some plays late. I don't know if Stafford's injury affect him because he had some great throws in this game, but he did miss four or five that I haven't seen him missed this year that were throws that were there. And so that's something to watch. But Pooka Nakua still is the man seven for 71 and one. I'm not, I don't feel any differently.

Check the targets there on Apucco. Yeah, like, he's not going to... Still got 11. Him and Cup dominated with 23 of the targets. I think, you know, 2-2 is not going to get as much shine anymore. It was nice while it lasted. Anything else on this game, Gregie? No.

I just like how fired up, though, Sean McVe is afterwards. Like, he really believes in this team. He's saying, like, we're not going down. Like, I think it's a frisky team. They're not ready. Not many teams are going to be ready for this Eagles team. No. Eagles get the Jets next week.

They're 5 and 0. and that was the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places. Learn more at Toyota.com slash Grand Highlander. All right, let us head to A-Town. That's Atlanta. Like if you're, like, plugged in.

Penhulmohole McCullough will snap. They makes it Atlanta's three and two. Snap spot. Flag down. Kick is away. It is perfect. Yeah, and you got a flag. Don't mess with my highlight with flags.

I think you're a flag. Houston, Texans were offside. I think. There were two fouls on the play, both by the defense. Offside. You're messing with my highlight. Running into the kicker, also number 25. This penalty is also declined.

The field goal is good. The game is over. Yeah, I just drive home. They don't need it. Okay. I like what they say the game is over. It always feels good. The ref likes to vamp there a little bit with that.

Giving us all this info. How about just come on and be like, Both against Houston, game over. Yeah, that's good. We don't need it. No, I'm with you. Put it in the NFL Jesus. Put it in the box score, the official box score.

That data, those data points. Let the celebration begin, damn it. It's a fair argument. West Durham with a call, WZGC. Good call. Desmond Ritter passed and ran for touchdowns. A big O.FU to all the bozos calling for his benching. And Young Wayku kicked a 37-yard field goal.

His time expired. Falcon snap a two-game losing streak. They beat the upstart Texans 21 to 19. Greg Ritter, he needed this game, as did Arthur Smith, the head coach that was facing mounting criticism for sticking with his QB1. Yeah, great Desmond Ritter game. It should go without saying this is the best game of Desmond Ritter's career. Like legitimately great.

I haven't seen it. For him, for him. Yeah. I mean, he went for 320. in a touchdown. I think the receivers made plays for him, but he didn't make any bad decisions. There weren't any groaners that he got away with.

They were the better team. They had 447 yards of offense. I mean, this was the vision. This was Arthur Smith's vision. Ritter, like distributing, not messing up. Kyle Pitts making some nice catches, leading the team and receiving Kyle Pitts, 7 for 87.

Drake London making... Wait, am I hallucinating right now? Yes, this happened. What you've been asking for? Drake London making a contested catch that was one of the best catches I've seen this season, 32 yards while his helmet was being ripped off at a very key moment of the game. Bijan making people miss. Bejohn got more carries than Alger, right?

No, that didn't happen. We're not all the way there. But he did get a receiving touchdown. Are we going to give up that dream yet? Can we please stop that, Arthur? He did, though, make a one-handed catch on a touchdown where it appears where he faked it behind the back or something. And so that was the vision plus a defense that is much more together and complete than it was a year ago and they get a win over a team that's maybe a year behind them

in terms of their development. I think it's interesting as like we when we preview this and I think when everyone looked at it's like, oh, well, by many metrics, Houston is the worst run defense in the league and Atlanta wants to go pound the ball against you and probably run the ball. They did for 36 times for 2.7 yards per carry. So it's like they needed Ritter to make these plays and I find them unpredictable because It's like, I don't think having Desmond Ritter, in general, throw the ball 37 times is a great concept.

You get today, that helps, but it's like, that's, I don't, it feels like not hit, like, Arthur Smith's vision in a way. Well, I guess, but I guess, but I guess, but he doesn't seem to want to give Kyle Pitts and Drake London, like, huge amounts of targets. And today it just, I think teams are just loading up to stop them so much that it's forcing their hand. And today he actually delivered. But it wasn't even great.

Like, I'm thinking of a lot of these catches, and they're great, they're a nice catches. He doesn't like put it right on you like Pitts had a nice jumping catch London. Jonu Smith is back alive, but that's what they're going to need to make this thing work. Take me through the end of this game because I was more just seeing it in the scroll and

Houston has the lead laid here. How does it all play out down the stretch? Is this you know, was this a dramatic comeback drive or how did it play out? First of all, Houston didn't have a touchdown until, you know, what, two minutes left in the game?

But it was 12-7 entering the fourth quarter, and Atlanta just kept going on these drives, drive after drive, and they lost two fumbles. They managed to win this game despite having two turnovers. Neither was Ritter. And they go on these long field goal drives, and then T.J. Stroud, my guy. It's not my guy.

It's everyone's guy. Everyone's enjoying watching and play. He gets the ball. It's down six with seven minutes to go. And just coolly goes down the field, making the right reads. They get the running game going. He gets the touchdown to go up, setting up Ritter with about,

149 to go. They need a field goal and they made it look easy. Like they had too much like they got in field goal position with about 45 seconds to go. Ritter makes a couple nice throws to pretty open receivers. Houston's defense was not impressive in this game, but you got to give Ritter and the play callers credit. And some of these were Ritter runs too on that last drive where like he made all the right moves and London got open against the secondary that's healthier now too for Houston. So I was surprised to see the Falcons put it on Houston like this. And that's a test. That's a test for Demico Ryan's defense. You have a one point lead with

149 to play. Maybe they get to the point. Maybe they're going to need some more talent. Maybe the scheme will get there eventually. We'll get that stop to win the game. But I know Ryan's a defensive guy. That hurts. Right. And they couldn't really stop them all day other than those two forced fumbles. I think it was,

Bejohn did have one of the fumbles. Maybe that's why he didn't play. And Johnny Smith had another. But Ritter had on dropbacks, 9.2 yards per play. 9.2. They had 447 yards It was a no-joke effort And I think Ryan Nielsen

And his outrageous mustache I don't know if you guys have seen this thing He's one of the twirly ones No it's like Catfish hunter It's just so bushy and wide It makes Arthur Smith almost look feminine I mean like Gene Siegel type

I should have asked for a picture But he's got this defense playing well Like Jesse Bates and AJ Terrell is a real deal duo like their linebackers are good. Clayas Campbell got hurt in this game, but otherwise Campbell and Jared, like they're a real difference. They're not great,

but they're just average at very worst. That jean seagel. Gene Shalot from NBC, the Today Show. Is it a Jean Shalett type mustache? No, it's not a Shalot. I don't know that. You don't know that.

You don't know. I know who Gene Shalette. I remember who Jean Shalette. I know Shalett. I didn't think you know. My mom watched the Today Show on like a three-inch screen. A port one of the,

remember like the people. The kitchen TV? Mom used to have three-inch kitchen TV. Like a radio attached to it and stuff. Yeah, you're like, exactly. Exactly. He was like, Mom, let's, they don't need it,

we look at. We had the today's show on every single, every single weekday in our house. I mean, hours at a time. And Gene, shallot was a large part of my childhood. That must be a great. Gene, clean it up. Like, I know it's your thing, but. His, his mustache took all three inches up.

It was, it was insane. All right. Good job. Let's see if you just string it together and make the Falcons truly interesting because that's all they just need to be average. Do it a couple weeks in a row. He doesn't need to be great. They do need

to, we got to get rid of this time share on the back field, but we'll get to that. I mean, I don't know. That's just condo. You don't need to have 400. One guy's averaging three and a half years per carry behind the same offensive line. But you want to. The other guy's averaging five and a half. Maybe give it to a guy that's got five and a guy from a year ago.

But he hasn't been very productive this year. In fairness, can I say why? He just gets hotter and hotter. Physically? He is officially. as the game goes along and so if you're going to interrupt Tyler out Jules if you're going to give us the ball to someone else

we got a problem you know that that mustache now I'm seeing it who is that? That's Ryan Nielsen there defensive coordinator that's getting a little you remember when Jordan grew the mustache I was like that's a little too close it's a little trim you know who kind of yeah a little tight

it's not it no it's not a mustache like that because the hairs are like four inches long I mean he could braid he could braid his mustache a little European a little bit Little tyranty. Part of a part of Europe. Right.

We don't need it. We don't need any echo effect. I think it's just that's a bad angle or something. Doesn't look like that. I'm just saying it was a bad look for Michael Jordan. Yeah, it was. Gene Schallet would be better. All right.

Let's go. I mean, how did Gene Sheld even eat? They don't ever think about that? I don't know. There's a lot of things that you'd question how well he did with the setup he had going on. Oh, hello Larry. All right. Two Lucas Oil Stadium.

Yikes. Danahill between the hash marks, three receivers to board of the right side. You knew what you were doing. Waiting on a shot against down. He takes a belt high. Packs to throw in the pocket. I have a theory that I can't share on the show. He'll get picked off by the Colts, intercepted by Indianapolis at the 50-yard line.

Oh. And that's Julian Blackman with the game ceiling interception with 10 seconds to go. Colts are going to win. An interception by the Colts defense. at the 50-yard line, and the streak will die today against the Tennessee Titans. Oh, those frisky Indianapolis cults. Julian Blackman snagged the pass from Nantanhill, an interception that's sealed a 23-16 win over the rival Titans. I'm not sure what the streak was.

What was it? How many? They had lost seven straight home games. Oh, I think that's what he's referring to. Those ones hurt the most. Five straight losses to the opponent. Okay, it's at two streaks. Oh, well, goodbye.

to those streaks. A victory tempered, unfortunately, by yet another injury for my guy, Anthony Richardson. More on that later. Mark, this is your guy now? Okay. He's my guy. Do you see NFL Plus on Thursday? ATN, we did a rookie redraft.

You drafted him. Second overall pick. My guy. But maybe I'm not celebrating that today. It's going great. My guy is stacking up the sick days early here. Mark, this game was hyped up as the return of the newly paid Jonathan Taylor, who got a three-year, $42 million extension that included, I believe, $26 million guaranteed.

However, Zach Moss stole the show as his understudy. Zach Moss looked great. Taylor had, Taylor came in. He barely played. Six carries, 18 yards. I mean, it's understandable. They'll heat him up, but like, I don't know. I don't know why I took, I don't know, now you pay him after all this time, but

Zach Moss, who, you know, had 280 yards. You know that, Mark, that organization is known to surprise you with decisions that seem to come out of the blue. Yeah, they do. I mean, it made sense to pay him, don't we think? Right, but it's just that organization has a way about, you know, zinging and zagging in ways that are unpredictable. Yes.

It was, the way it unfurled, like, was, why did your, why did your whole philosophical approach to Jonathan Taylor suddenly, I have a theory, but I'm not going to share it. I have a... But you know what it is. I have another... I have a theory that I will share which is more just... Well, they just waited for the boss to calm down.

You know, they wanted to do this the whole time. Yeah. It's just like, Larry, let's just... Maybe after a month he'll calm down and we can do what we want. Right. It's one or the other, right? It's either the boss demanded it to happen

or the boss wasn't paying attention or didn't care anymore. It's like one of those things. Well, you snuck it by him. I don't know how 26 million gets snucked by someone, but he's of a different pay class than we are. I mean, this was a game where I was like,

I kind of like, Tennessee's chances, potentially, you've got this pretty gnarly run defense. And you've been running the ball. Like last week, they ran the ball real well. Tennessee, I mean, Derek Henry, 43 yards on 13 carries. Couldn't get going. You give up 193 yards. Zach Moss played the game of his life.

I just think that his performance this season has been huge because I think he was someone we would have just written off a month ago in general. So here's the thing. Anthony Richardson goes down. and the diagnosis from the Pell Razor is that he's got an AC joint sprain in his throwing shoulder. MRI to come, x-rays are negative.

I thought the season was over when it happened. We'll see, but it's like, the way he was walking, because we're always just like trying to, like, when you say you see the helmet slam, I think it's like body language telling you something. He was just like, it was just had, there was maybe a broken collar bone, he was just hanging off his body, his arm.

Here's the thing about Richardson that makes me nervous because, obviously the ability to stay on the field, that's a skill set you know and like you this is now three separate injuries there was a lower body injury in week one there was a head injury uh in week three i believe and now we have a shoulder injury it wasn't it he only finished one game he's played four he's finished one mark did that seem like an especially vicious hit to you that's the thing like i think you just

you landed funny on yeah i think it's like it gets me nervous is like it's one thing when you get absolutely your clock clean but it's and I didn't follow him in college enough to know if this was... We didn't have many starts in college. He didn't have a chance. There isn't a big cycle size. I would say this.

Like, if it was like the cath thing with Burrow and it's like he keeps re-aggraving and it's like, all right, well, it's different types of injuries and the body's breaking down in different types of ways. They're really lucky, because this is a watchable, enjoyable team. They're lucky to have some of these teams like there's no one behind Burrow.

That's why Burrow's playing. Like they have the bills, the Bengals had these shoddy backup situations. You've got Gardner Minchew, who in two relief appearances has thrown for 326 yards and a touchdown and gone 30 for 37. It's a luxury.

Yeah. And like he is a fringe starter and he's such a different player than Richardson obviously. But with Stike in running the show, you kind of trust that like when Minchu's in there that they're going to do things really well still. And there were a couple things about Minchu today

that I just thought, showed me who he is. Like they were up 20 to 16 outside the two minute warning and he had a 10 yard store. strike to Alec Pierce, who's played a little bit better over these last couple weeks. And Minchu got absolutely rocked on the play. And he knew it. He knew he was going to. And he just did the thing where you're like, I like this guy. I guess he stood in the pocket and delivered the ball and was, I mean, it was like,

are we going to lose him too? Because he took the kind of hit that does knock a quarterback out. I'll say one thing, flip side, that this like Colts defense, I feel like it's DeForest Buckner, Zaire Franklin today was insane. And like this defensive front seems to create punishment and do something special. week after week. And today they handled Derek Henry, who last week looked like he was completely reborn. Ryan Tannell had a pass or two of his own where he does

the Ryan Tanna Hill thing where he got absolutely leveled, unfurling a shot down field. I always think he's courageous. And DeAndre Hopkins, who we've sort of been waiting for this game, eight catches 140 yards, totally unstoppable. He's been good this year. He's been good this. This was the one where it's like, I think he can

I'm not so concerned about their wide receiver group in general because he looked like the old DeAndre there was also a Derek Henry halfback option played the goal line where he just missed Hopkins getting his second foot down. That would have been a touchdown on top of it. So yeah, he, he's not the same nuke anymore, but he's definitely an option. This is not a Julio Jones situation in Tennessee. No, I mean, this is a throwback type of game. He got Julian Blackman, who, what, three years ago, Wes was talking about on this podcast, just loving, like, looking like maybe a defensive

rookie of the year type of guy and has kind of been in the wilderness making a big play. And then them, you know, being able to run the ball, them stuffing Henry, the key sequence was that they had a fourth down in the fourth quarter. The Titans did fourth and one on the Colts five. They stop it. And then they basically kill the rest of the game on a seven-minute field goal drive. There was only seven possessions in this game. I mean, after Minchu came over, they were pretty spotless with these long drives.

Like, Titans on paper, have a decent defense. They had one punt in this game. And they didn't have a turn over. And Titans fans... The Colts, rather, only had one punt. Titans fans are going to want to make sure we mention this, that that final field goal drive was sustained on a pass interference penalty on Christian Fulton, where I thought it was a bad call.

He thought it was a bad call. In fact, Christian Fulton said after the game, I thought it was a bad call. It's hard when you got to play against the refs and the wide receivers, but that's the life of a DB. That was on third and 12 in the fourth quarter. he got tangled up with Michael Pittman. There was some contact and that allowed that drive to continue and it took a lot of time off the clock and essentially ended the game.

It's tough. You see those calls every week. Obviously, I was pitching and moaning about what happened to the Jets against the Chiefs last week. I just don't like tickey tack. No. Defensive holding or PI calls in the final minutes of games unless it's something where you got to take the laundry out. Look at the Super Bowl. What happened to the Eagles against the Chiefs?

That was a carbon copy of the Jets thing to some degree and it seems to be dotted across games on a weekly basis and you know we're kind of just stuck with the result. Curious about the staying power of these two teams. We'll see like three and two. Colts are three and two. They're a real team. It's such a, it's disappointing

on Richardson because like we said he's a small sample size in college. Well now it's a concern. Well now it's like you now he's only, he's going to enter year two with only a very limited amount of well I don't think they're thinking it you know by the way the reporting is I don't think they're thinking it's

season ending no or anything i was saying that's how it looked at the time the reporting out there rap sheet said that it's an ac joint sprain which is the same thing that uh derrick car didn't miss any time with uh and hopefully it's one of those situations but derrick car looked like he was in a lot of pain when that happened on the saints richardson looked like a guy that was like yeah i'll see in two months so we'll see like how how it progresses and how careful they are with him because yeah this has gotten to the point now where it's a major concern for this team and there's an irony to it because we've talked about no one looks more impressive physically

like to ever play the quarterback position than Anthony Richardson and yet that body is refusing to cooperate. The one thing I think you have though is a it's early but a special coach in Stike and I just there's something about this offense the way it's organized and they've been through a lot and they continue to produce. You know what else is special?

Mike McDaniel and that offense in Miami. Correct. Transition. out to the 24 yard line in golden motion they give it to a change oh stop it reach me down the sideline nobody's going to get you he don't touchdown Miami what great speed on top of that safety takes a bad angle on it I think he forgot who he was chasing and trying to tackle what is this song what is happening in Miami what's going on Have a good old time. That screams football.

I just watched the Beck. Or a hayride. Yeah, the Beckham documentary on Netflix, David Beckham, the footballer from England. And he just bought a Miami football team for MLS, pink nets. Like, we're just, we're in a whole other world down there. It is. We went to the Super Bowl down there. A lot of strange things occurred.

And I like the color pink, Greg. Don't twist it. Weird that you thought I was. Greg, I'm a feminist. How dare you call out the pink? net. I'm just saying things are a little different down there. I'm troubled that that's where you think I was thinking about. I was thinking about the Beckham.

He bought that team a while ago. You know, give the, give the MLS some props. That was a good doc, though. Check it out, everybody. Really feel good about the staying power of the posh spice Beckham marriage, like a legitimately healthy relationship. Yeah, it seems to be. Good take there by me. All right. Let's get to it.

Devon A chain delivered once again, zipping through that hole pay dirt, 76 yards Dolphins Cruz 3116 over the wait for it Moribund New York Giants Mark some teams have shown

how the Dolphins can be slowed but this version of Big Blue they're not one of those teams No they had no chance I think part of it is you got to you got to give your defense a chance by producing on offense and it you know

they had 11 sacks on Monday night less than a week later they gave up the Giants gave up seven today This is an offensive line that has drafted five linemen in the first three rounds since 2020 more than anyone league-wide, and it does not show. They are a raging, boiling mess. Daniel Jones left with a neck injury at the end, and it was like, you're kind of just wait. How long until Daniel Jones is hurt? Because he's getting killed back there.

TBD on where we'll be with that. He's getting an MRI. I just, I mean, I don't know. And then they have Tyrod Taylor in there, and he's getting killed. And it's like, this is just not sustainable. And it's like, you can blame Brian Dable, play calling, all this other stuff. It's like, you can't function. But in general, like, you can't function when you're watching Miami go up and down the field.

I mean, their amount of, they're huge play. So today, they fully amassed after the start of the season, 2,568 yards, the most by any team through five weeks of the season. And NFL history, it was the greatest show on turf, the 2,000 Rams that were second in that category. and it's real and it's legit and I know what happened against Buffalo but it's like you're not going to take away the speed and the big plays they have seven touchdowns

seven touchdown drives this season of less than one minute again leads the league obviously like the seven fastest speeds recorded we know that it was five a couple weeks ago now it's seven Dan I know you this is not news to you because people were tweeting you left and right

but you asked for this many a tweet you asked for it I did you wanted a player and not a not a defense defender or someone else, but a ball carrier to run 22 miles an hour finding. Do we have that tweet? Let's fly it up. Do we have that X? I mean, it doesn't make sense. Let's see. Marcel Louis Chavez. Great name. Tyreek Hill clearly. He blah, blah, blah, he proceeds to hit 22.01 miles per hour on that 68 yard catch and run. He did it. So it wasn't even the A chain score. It was Tyreeks. Catch and run. 22.

With the ball. With the ball. So that was a 60 far yarder. Get back to me when you have the ball behind the line of scrimmish and then get through. Your demands. And then you break into the open field. Your demands must cease at this point because it was a very specific. Honestly, congratulations.

Because hashtag 22 is something I've been waiting for. Well, you got it. And apparently where he moastered, again, I did get a lot of tweets about this. Against the Jets a few years ago hit 23. So now it's like, hey, if that was already done like multiple years ago, I don't care about 22. Get me another 20th. Well, they're lucky Mostert didn't do it today. I mean, he'll had another 69-yard touchdown.

A. Chan had that 76-yard. Like, A-chan right now, you didn't even play the first week. 460 yards off of 38 carries. This isn't like some, this isn't some freak wide receiver that had three carries. I think like 25 more people have more carries than him. But he has 460 yards. He's averaging 12.1 yards per carry. It's crazy.

And I do think Mike McDaniel, they keep asking about these stats. in the in the post game um here's what you had to say um mission accomplished we had the whole time the whole off season all we that was our goal was um output after five games um you know i mean i think it it speaks to what what the what the group is capable of but you need that Facial expression. It's, um, and you're, you're honored to be in the same breath for any statistical. Um, yeah, he's,

by the way, it's not, it's not a record. Okay, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, wow, they broke the record for most yards in a, after five games. It's like, that's not a record. Oh, stop, right. No, no, no, no, such an ill-nude about this. Come on. No, because I've seen this, too, like, they actually made a big deal about, like, you

hate all early season thing. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because you could, you could say like... No MVP talk. It's not a... It's not a thing of like, he, you did this. This is the most after week six.

That's a record. No, it's just a stat after week six. Okay, but I think it's an indication. It's a measuring stick of how explosives are. It's not like literally anyone in the world, including the Rams were ever, you know, conscious of that before this week. They almost made a big deal out of the CJ Stroud,

like, you know, he broke the rookie interception list streak. And even that, like, they said, and then this and the record is broken. And it was literally on a throw out about. Can I just ask one question? That's not a record either. Can I ask one question? It's a stat. The difference is got a real

B up is. Can I ask you the one question? Yes. Who the hell do you think you are? It's not a record. It's a stat. That's a good question. Can I mention one quick thing? They're records to me. I think it's a fair thing to point out. Would you rather they don't point it out

at all? You can absolutely point out. Just don't call it a record. Just don't use the word record. All right. Well, at this point, after five weeks, they metrically sit in a certain position compared to teams. That is superior to any team in the game's history. You said it that way.

You could just say they have the most yards in history. I will say, that's what he said, Mr. Accompos, Brownie. You are no fun at all. You can't say it. I'm echoing Mike McDaniel here. I think you are to some degree. I will say like Tua had a little bit of trouble in this game real quick.

Like A. Chan did fumble in this, but then they got real down, they got down close to the, the goal line and there was a hundred and two yard pick six by jason pinnock with the giants um and they also had another bad pick doesn't it doesn't they're just messing around with a team that's not even the giants before this game had not had did not have one takeaway they stink they are you want to talk about metrics through four or five weeks Greg like you know he doesn't I know well I if you did I like to talk about it just if he's like oh we're talking about the giant setting

records for futility I'm all into it let's hear them get that haystack you know get that all right like I can't wait till you break the. record for sacks like between weeks three and five that's that's what i mean it's like it's not a record that was mcdato's whole response is like yeah thanks you know on my uh uh new york new yorkers chain got more than a couple buddies that are diehard fans man still watching these games no got the old i'm not watching yeah because it's like it's got it's not fun that's how quickly and how bad it's gotten they might be the worst team in the in the NFL but there's another option there's I was going to say, they're a long time.

I have another team I might bring up that could potentially. There's a reason they got the coveted title in averse of first to be called Moribund on ATN. Because it's been that bad a start. It's been a stunningly terrible start. Even people like you, Greg, that weren't very high on them entering in the season, you didn't predict them to be laughably terrible. But I did take them in my over under wins lost draft. I'm going to see. Under seven and a half feeling good.

I'm going to data wipe this file in NFL.com one way or another, go into the, you know, the... Where did you have them going? To the wild card game. Oh, that's not too bad. It's not too great. It's not looking like a great prediction right now. Good day for the Dolphins, too.

It's like you get to see the bills lose early. You get to cruise. You get first place. Our buddy, yeah, our buddy Connor, we'll talk about the Patriots later, but he wrote an apology column for... Well, let's save it for that. Spicy hot take on the Pats. All right, let's before we get to that,

Let's move to Mile High State. You know what happened in Mile High Stadium? An entire organization declared vengeance. Upon a smug little man on the side to Mile High. 41 seconds remaining. Second and 10, Denver, at their own 41-yard line. They still have one time out. The Jets against show Blitz.

Russell Wilson and the shotgun. Are the Jets going to bring pressure? Yes, they will. Russell Wilson being chased. He'll be sacked the ball pops out. Lose on the fourth side. It's scooped up. Brace Hall runs down the right side line at the 10-5 touchdown.

We go. As the ruling on the field was a fumble by Russell Wilson off the pressure from Quincy Williams. No doubt about it. Quincy knocked the ball out. It was scooped up by Bryce Hall. He took at the distance. The jet defense score. to put this game away.

Woo-wee! Oh, the bongos! And well-deserved. Eric knows how to make his host happy. I think the bongos are going out to Nate Hackett today. Yeah. Did you see, and throw it up on there for the YouTube viewers, did you see Nate Hackett glowing on the sidelines at the end of this game?

And it's not even like the Jets offense balled out and, exposed John Peyton for a lot of the criticisms with Hackett and what he did in Denver last year but look at he's like a boy on Christmas there's Peyton eating dirt like oh I'm going six feet under the ground before Halloween and look at him and everyone coming up to Nathaniel Hackett who was targeted just unfairly by Peyton

when Peyton was feeling himself in the summer and things have a way of coming back to bite you when you do that because the Jets score a 31-21 win over the Broncos at mile high, a win that gets the Jets to two and three. And all things considered and the absolute disaster of Aaron Rogers in week one, getting out of these first five games with two wins, it keeps them relevant in the AFC picture as we get closer to the middle of October.

Because if they don't find a way in this game, wrap it up. They get the Eagles next week and it gets dark, very dark. but they did find a way and Zach Wilson was not very I wouldn't say he was terrible in this game non-competitive he made some throws but he also had a brutal interception that

led to eventually that big Quincy William sack but it opened the door for the Broncos to steal this game after the Jets had it in control with a big third quarter but he did hit a couple throws in this game and in general

wasn't completely lost at sea but he's still a major problem the the thing here is breeze hall who um you know the best story around this jet's team is that breeze hall is fully back from the uh knee injury so he suffered in denver uh one year ago uh he had a 72 yard touchdown and as i was watching the highlight of the bruce hall touchdown boys i was thinking to myself been watching the jets for you know 30 plus years but then i was thinking i know the history of the team as well has there ever been a running back like Breeze Hall like the on the in the history of the organization that's this explosive this fast this type of game changer because when you guys watch this game you'll see

there are I'm going to say maybe up to five plays before he bust this one where he just miss it he just misses it he just missed one last week against Kansas City and you're thinking man he keeps putting himself in position to to just roll out these monster plays and he's now hit on a couple of them this year and so he finishes with a 177 yards on the ground and the Jets defense, which has been good, Greg, as you've been pounded the drum and you're right about it, good, better than great this year. They failed the test in week one when they had a chance to close out the bills on the last drive of regulation and gave up the field goal. Another test here in Denver, but this time they step up and

it's Quincy Williams and Bryce Hall to get the job done. Quincy Williams has been a revelation to me, not to Joe Douglas and the Jets. Give them credit. They gave them a contract this offseason that I thought, hmm, that's surprising. That's surprising because I thought he was good and bad last year. It kind of reminds me of like a Kwan Alexander type where he makes huge game-changing plays, but he gives him up too. And this year, he's a pro bowler. I mean, he's been a beast.

A couple sacks in this game, and they sent pressure late. And that's one of the, I want to get back to Brise Hall, but while we're talking Quincy, like that's one thing I'll remember from this game is how they sent pressure a couple times on that last drive. And you saw this exchange after Quincy Williams. gets the sack, and Sean Payton talking to Russell Wilson, and some amateur lip readers out there thought he said to Russell Wilson, like, the running back was the hot. The running back was the, the where you want to get. And twice on that drive, the Jets confused Russell Wilson

where he didn't know where to throw the ball quickly. And that's been a problem for him for his whole career. Give credit to the Jets. Yeah, like their strengths are still their strengths. They've been through obviously total darkness and chaos and had their season kind of tossed up sundar but the defensive line comes in waves and it's like what happened today shows you what they can be and like

Brees Hall is I mean I guess I could point to like Curtis Martin as a true Jets hero I love Curtis Martin he's one of the best running back of the generation but he didn't have that you know it's funny though it's the player he reminds me most I was thinking about this today in the NFL actually as a former jet as well it was not not the same when he was on the Jets Chris John

That's, because it's that feeling where, it's kind of that feeling where that went, because he had 100, what did he have in this game, 177. He had over 100 yards, even if you took out that 72 or got eight, nine. And it's just, you're right. It felt like when they're getting him by the ankles, like, oh, that was almost 35. And that's what Chris Johnson. Yeah, there's this, like, like this thing. And it's not, it's not because it's your team, Dan.

But like, so you lose Elijah Vera Tucker for part of this game. Mackay Beckton's in and out of the lineup. Joe Tipman gets hurt. You don't have a good offensive line to begin with. And it's like to do what they did with a really shaky quarterback play. And it's like they had the drive where like, you know, Zach Wilson doesn't even get the ball off before it was at the half. And, you know, there's these, you've got to get around this.

And I do think that like Nathaniel Hackett is there's nothing about him that says, hey, wow, this is a super creative approach to attacking opponents in the ball. And like, it's not, I'm not sure what huge, incredible strength he brings to the team. But there is something I like about this team. And like, I have to say. I just want to fly around like a butterfly. Well, I think it's his personality. I really think they'd love them.

And it's like to see all those people coming up to him at the end of this game. Everybody. I mean, it's like he had eye black on his cheek because players were just hugging him like face to face. And they adore him and like, you know, whatever happens to this Jets team, there's just these things to like about them this season. And I think they are resilient and they could have completely mailed it in. I see a completely different opposite effect in general. Their efforts very high. They're using their strengths.

And I don't know. They're hard not to root for. And it's like, I kind of, you know what, Sean Payton? And it's like, I'm not going to judge him. Like, we all make mistakes and do stuff like that. But he created him a villainous element for himself. I wasn't necessarily rooting for against Sean Payton. But it's like, in this game, who's rooting for Sean Payton outside of a Broncos fan?

It's like you went and completely shot down someone in their effort, a fellow coach. And not trying to be precious about it, but like the right people won today. Zach Wilson on Nathaniel Hackett right here. Told us that Hackett got a game ball. I'm wondering, I know you just touched on it a minute ago, but were there any cool scenes in the locker room? words if you could describe if you had any interaction with him and you know the celebratory yeah you could see the emotion on his face a little bit and he's trying not to show it but we all give him a big hug told him we love him told him we're grateful to have him here and it means a lot to us obviously winning's

hard in this league so that's that's first and foremost but but you know obviously how things went for him this past year it's tough so you know it means a lot uh Denver 1 and 4 0 and 3 at home at Kansas City next week, home against Packers. It's not been a good couple of years. It's not been a good couple of years for Broncos season ticket holders. It's been a little rough. I know people that schedule is screaming 1 and 8 right now. And

they're going to be mentioned with teams that are going to trade players. They traded Randy Gregory and now we're going to hear it. You know, our guy Ian Rapporte said... This is October for Kevin Saunders. Right. Kevin Sanders. Back in the mix. Players that he went and got, Kevin

Saunders. Right. And I saw Ian said, well, Frank Clark could be available. It's like, ooh, you know, it's like, you think? It's like a player that was available in August that no one wanted then and hasn't had, you know, hasn't been helping this year. Right, quite frankly, like, I'm so sick of hearing that Jerry Judy and Cortland Sutton could be had. I was like, I don't know. Like, I'm not, they don't have the same shine to me that they did a couple of years ago.

But Jerry Judy on the Chiefs and it'll suddenly be catching like a third and 20 to win the Super Bowl. Probably. Probably. Uh, okay. nice though. Zach Wilson is still a quarterback that you have to hide and that doesn't work in the league. Here's a Jets troll by the way on Twitter. The old Kevin James. I don't know. Everybody had a good time at Sean Payton's expense, but the Jets still have a problem to quarterback and that is something to keep an eye on. But two and three, given everything,

I would take it. Let's move on to the one team the Jets will never be able to beat. The New England Patriots once again had their hands full. this time against the Saints. Empty back field for Mac Jones, but now brings Stevenson to his left and now to move a few people around. Takes the snap out of the shotgun.

Saints bring four and Carl and fans of the balls picked off. That's Tyre Matthew 15. 10. He will walk into the end zone. Pick six for the Saints. That's how you do it. Don't wait on your offense. Let the defense do it.

That is the third pick. Six for Mac Jones, and this is week five. I know you're not going to believe it, Greg, but they show that cut to Belichick on the sideline. And maybe it's just that's like the passing of youth. Yes. It's weird to see Belichick look confused and helpless on the sideline because everybody has a party when they play the Patriots these days.

On Sunday at Gillette Stadium, it was a Saints turn. Tyron Matthew scored the, started the scoring with a pick six of Mac Jones and Alvin Kumar to rush for a touch. touchdown, dark car through two touchdowns and a 34 zip. Wow. Hasting of the erstwhile throne of ease. God, dang.

Greg, mark down another win for the iconic Flashpoint Focus series. The Patriots ineptitude will be one of the biggest stories in football this week. I think that is the main takeaway here. You guys have done it again. Hit it. Go ahead. I do appreciate, though, that you recognize my. my efforts as an associate producer on this last episode.

I suggested Tom. Wait, what was that? Did you just give yourself a title? Yeah. Yeah, associate producer. That's that bonus money that hit during the podcast. They were like, great job getting Tom Curran, wanted to do the Patriots. That's why I appreciate that, guys.

What's another title? I mean, that feels strong, aggressive. Yeah, I'd say like, you know, quality control assistant. Hey, assistant. Best boy? Best boy. That's how Josh McDaniel started. Look at him now.

Junior grip. Before we get to the junior grip, that's it. The Patriots total mess. We can get there. I do find it funny, frankly, that I think Pete Carmichael, the Saints offensive coordinator was pressured by Saints fans and media into updating to 2023 this week. That he was destroyed locally for just running this old school offense. And they literally asked him in the press, like,

how come you never use any motion? And he was just like, actually, that's, he was just like, actually, we can. That's in the offense. I just never call it. That's on me. And he listened to him. And this entire game, they're going motion crazy. They were last in the league on motion.

And like all their touchdowns were set up by motion. You know, that's okay, by the way. Yeah. Like I'm saying it's not what you want in your coach because you want them to be ahead of the game like we are with a flashpoint focus. Sure. But it's also a good sign that you're open to. ideas wherever they may come. He also didn't really want to be the offensive

coordinator the year ago. That was the reporting. It's always been kind of whispered. And so, yeah, I think he was happy to get suggestions. And look, your defense has to be pretty great to win 34 to nothing. On a day, you probably got like a B minus C plus Derek Carr. Really a B minus C plus offense. You can just call it Derek Carr. They got a million

chances and they had 304 yards. And yet they were so dominant defensively. only give up eight first down. Carl Granderson, who got a contract extension during the season, has been incredible. And I think the Saints are built for this matchup. Here's what they're built for, to swallow up bad passing teams because they're secondary.

I think their cornerbacks are elite. So they can play well from ahead against mediocre to poor opponents and kind of stomp on team. They remind me a little bit of last year's Patriots. I think they have a little higher upside than that. But when they play a bad offense, they can just make them look ridiculously bad. Mark, do you want to hear Mack Jones on Slashions?

low start or Belichick, Mac Jones is still our quarterback. So I want to hear a Belichick. Okay, Bill. Bill, what went into the decision to sit down Mac there in the later stage again? Is he still your quarterback going forward? Yeah, there was a lot of problems. It certainly wasn't all him.

Oh, my God. And, you know, you know, flashing back to Tom Curran on the show, you know, Bill, he's besieged right now. It's like coming from all angles and now he's, after years of almost having the upper hand on the media because no matter what they would say to him, he could

just point to all the rings and everything. But now it just feels like he's he's left to answer things that it's clear he doesn't have any answers right now. And then the Patriots are lost. Yeah. I mean, you've been outscored 69 to three in the last two outings, which is like a shocking. I

in one of those was against the saints. Yeah. The saints. I guess I'm really like with you, Dan, on like the fact, I don't particularly take any joy or entertainment from it on some level in the sense that like the look on his face right there and if you see it on the YouTube like it looks like a man who's lost and like you have a coaching staff that is like smaller than any other coaching staff in the league you're the GM you've created this punchless offense it's on you it's fully on you and like I think that it's an interesting historical point in time as a football fan or to watch a watcher of the sport to see what is without question to my mind the greatest football coach of all time going through this totally dark period. And to the point of the flashpoint segment, like, we're openly asking if he'll be here after this season.

And like, I'm at the point with the flashpoint thing, that we could literally pick any topic and do it again this week, and it would become something massive by next Sunday night. It's that pressure, it's that on point. And like, you know, we dialed up our topic, and then now it is a national firestorm in the media. We should test that theory out. I don't know how.

We'll have to pick a very arcane topic. We should. We, uh, my boys love watching, uh, they became baseball fans this year. And we watched the MLB app a lot. And, um, they'll be like in the next room playing Nintendo and I'll be watching a game. And somebody will hit a home run and then I'll quietly rewind it back 40 seconds. And then I'll say, guys, I got, I got a feeling again. This is ridiculous.

And then I go, um, it's a, it's a pull from. the old Peewee's playhouse, rest in peace, Paul Rubens. Mecca, leka hi, mecahine ho. Meccaleca hi, meca chiny ho. And then Giancarlo Stanton hits one, 512 feet. And it works. They're still into it. They believe.

See, you know, your dad did not have this technology to, I wouldn't say trick, but it's tricking you into thinking he had a superpower. Keith didn't have that gene at all to do anything like that. Even if you were like, Danny, get over here, scrambling to take the VCR back. I don't even know what that ties into the point we were to make. But you are creating these moments with a, you have a psychic, almost an ESP type element. And we do with our. But we actually do in this case.

Yes. You absolutely do. And Greg, too, to some degree. Yeah. Associate producers matter too. Junior grip. I, uh, like everyone's going to talk about Mack Jones. Assistant to the junior grip.

And Mac Jones is playing some really dumb football. The pick six comes on where he's trying, he's trying to make too many plays. He's making it worse. He's falling apart. Obviously. But the reason that I'm so convinced Belichick is losing it slash has lost it is not Mac Jones. It's that their special teams is maybe the worst in the NFL. He's poured so much money into the special teams, and that's his baby.

That's his thing. Like, we're going to be better on the details. I think they were 31st or 32nd DVOA heading into this week. They got rid of Nick Folk, for instance, and their rookie kicker, you know, Yanks another kick when this game was relatively a game. at this point. Their rookie punters, a disaster. All their, all their return units, like coverage units are disasters. Their offensive line since Skarnakey at less has been a total abomination. Their right tackles right now, that Lowe Verderi and Lowe,

who's just getting Mac and Bailey Zappy just killed, like is unplayable. Their offensive line is one of the very worst. So these are the things that they were so good at line play, special teams, details, where it's like, that's just as bad as the more higher level stuff. And it's just as any team in the league, and that to me is a sign that, like, they go on. Yeah, I think, um, I think Matt Patricia has too much respect and love for Bill to be dancing

in his home wherever, or wherever he is. Where is he now? He's on a sideline somewhere, right? I think he's like a special assistant to the Eagles. But it did kind of, I was thinking about that as like Pittsburgh fans were coming at me also that sometimes you just point to the scheme or the coordinator and you put all the blame

on that. And then you see like with, as the Patriots as an example, sometimes it's more than that. It's not just the play caller of the scheme. There are more issues, and we're seeing New England has issues that go very deep. Right.

There's no, there's, I don't know what they do either because they brought in Billy Zappi these last two weeks. Zabby was worse. You know, if like Zappi had done well in this game,

people had been like, oh, it was just garbage time. Actually, they cut his ass. He went for, he went three for nine for 22 yards and like went backwards and all this stuff. To, very quickly,

congrats to Alvin Kamara is the all-time leader in Saints touchdowns. That's pretty cool. That's a long. history that asked Marcus Colston. And Cam Jordan is the all-time sack leader. They got two like Saints legends playing on that team.

And I got some tweets, or at least just one, that asked Mark, can the Saints, the Orleans Saints, get their new back after winning 34 to nothing? They get the new. They're tied for first in the AFC. That was like the new bowl. Yeah. Yeah.

So Orleans for England, now the England, I'm sorry to London, but let's the England Patriots right now. Yeah, we're trading you. I don't know why. Careful. Suddenly they're stuck with. We're getting on a plane in a short amount of time. I'll revise that probably before Tuesday night.

All right. Let's head to Detroit where the lions look to keep things rolling. Off the takeaway. Gadget play. They're going to go with a flea flicker. Groff Groves, man, wide open. Touchdown Detroit Lions. Sam Leporta.

Razzle, dazzle, and six on the board. Woo! Dan, I know I was getting close to holl. Halloween. I know we like to play tricks. That was some trickeration right there. Ben Johnson, he's coming with him. Coming with him today. Oh, man. You heard Dan Miller there was Lomas Brown as well. Dan Miller. I brought this up before, but for my pain ranking series on NFL.com, I picked one figure connected to the team to interview as part of the article. And I spoke with Dan Miller and it was about all the sadness and all the badness and all the pain of the franchise

and people connected to it. And he couldn't have been a nicer guy. And you hear, you hear his voice on that call. And what a party it is to be part of the Lions as a fan as the play-by-play man, as the color guy. You got to love it. Jared Goff threw three touchdown passes in the first half, ran for another score and in the fourth quarter. Man, he's got fleet feet now too. And And the Lions cruise 424 over the hapless Panthers. Mark, Dan Campbell's team is telling us every week. They're not just some cute underdog anymore. They are truly, well, lions.

Oh, they are. There's the joy coming from them. And they, you know, this is three straight wins of 14 plus points. It was a dominant crushing of Carolina. Not a good team, but like they went and blew their doors off. and I kind of get the sense they're kind of just coming into focus we're just starting to see

what they can become even this year you have done you're watching this team transform and I think GM Brad Holmes I don't know what he learned under less need in Los Angeles but like I know the L.A. is like we refuse to draft players

we don't really operate in the draft for the most part like Sam Laporta three catches 47 yards two touchdowns today Jack Campbell week after week is doing something special like everyone was laughing at that draft pick. You brought in Josh Reynolds from the Rams, golf's old teammate,

played a huge role today with Amon Raus St. Brown out of the lineup. Jamir Gibbs out of the lineup. You've had so many injuries. That's part of what's impressive. They've been as injured almost as any team in the league. Right. You don't have, you don't have Gibbs.

Dave Montgomery coming off a great week last week, 109 yards today to touchdown, dominant. Jared Goff, 22 for 28 for 236 yards and three touchdowns. It is like a campaign of beautiful revenge. for Jared Gough. And I'm kind of overt whatever I thought of him before because we say it out week

after week. He fits like a puzzle piece in this offense. And then you just go and look at someone like Aidan Hutchinson who had a masterful interception on like a tight end screen type today where he made

Bryce Young look silly and not able to see the field. And that's a whole different part of this conversation. I'll mention one thing that Chandler Zavala, the rookie guard, went down with,

he went to the hospital with a neck injury. I don't know where we're at with that, but it was one of those things that looked very, very scary out of the gate in the game pause for a while and he gave a thumbs up

as he was leaving the field so hopefully he'll be all right. But this Lions team, wow, I just, I honestly think that they're this, they're not a sleeping giant. We're seeing it. They're here.

They're right there at the top of the NFC. I mean, the good teams in the NFC are really good, but they're one of them coming out of the gates. Again, I'm also the one that says like September is not going to matter that much in the long run. And they're building up and we'll see if they can keep it going. The schedule has definitely helped them out.

But that's that's the best sign of a great team to survive injuries and to beat bad opponents and to start mixing in new stars. Like Aleem McNeil has been playing really well. He had a force fumble in this game. They tried to get Jameson Williams involved and it was kind of a disaster. That's maybe the only flight in the war. It was a disaster. Well, he had a big drop. They had three targets, two yards.

Disasters maybe over stadium, but a big time drop. All right. Anything else? On the Panthers side, it's just, you know, more of the same there. Just like, I'm waiting to see it with Bryce Young and I keep, like, the kind of the comment about him is like, well, you see it in little moments. It's like, I guess. I'm not, I mean, the interception by Hutchinson was just a bad look.

He had a terrible read on a second pick. and I mean, look at the team around him is a mess on offense and the offensive line's not good, but it's like even if all that were the case, if he were like a, when we were looking at like an Anthony Richardson, you still see these special qualities and I'm just waiting for it.

It was Kismet for Aidan Hutchinson to end up where he was where he ended up, you know, as a Michigan guy and all that. It's amazing. Like he has a lot of interceptions in his career. I know. He has the most in three is, or

or whatever it is three or four is the most in NFL history through two years from a defensive lineman. Does that stat count? That's a stat, but it's not a record. God. I don't think. That's not a record. I just want to rip this table apart.

Can you imagine living with me? Well, like, it is a great record, but I really consider the most important record like that. The defensive lineman who has the most interceptions through year four of his career, wow, what a record that is for, right, but even from it from... For nobody knows. Nobody knows who has that.

Any of that stuff. Even to your concede about this whole thing, even that wouldn't have any meaning. That was my joke. That was the point. That was the joke. Now I had to explain it. That was it.

I'm just taking Greg serious. I feel like he's stuck in so heavily on this. I mean, come on. I feel bad. This panda's team is sad. All right. Let us head to one more game, and it's the game everybody was waiting for Sunday night football,

Niners Cowboys. Yeah, Jonathan Hankins right in the A-gap here. What's he going to do here on third down and one? I can guess. They can give it. No, it's a play action. Purdy, get a roll left throw for the end zone. Caught by George Kittle.

He has the hat trick denied a career high. Three touchdown catches for George. Touchdown! San Francisco! Greg Papa. 49ers Radio. Man, we've been here. hear it a lot from Greg last few years because the 49ers have been one of the very best operations

in the game. And once again, in prime time against a Cowboys team that thought they were up to the challenge, they proved when they're humming right now, are they without equal? Eagles have something to say about that. And we'll find out in time. Forty-two-10. Niners over Cowboys. And Greg, that score accurately sums up what we witness, which was carnage, an absolute stomping. One contender, maybe one pretender. I don't know.

I am stunned by how thorough it was, and it just gets me thinking about what kind of NFL do you want. We want better Sunday night games, first of all. We want these games that look like, hey, this is the latest game of the year, like Bill's Dolphins last week. We want it to be closer.

We want it to be a great game. but I also love an NFL where the great teams are truly great. I like having the Chiefs there year after year. I like that the 49ers and the Eagles right now are 5 and O, and the rest of the NFC is just going to have to deal with them or catch up. And the 49ers are a team we know so well. Like it feels new because Purdy's there. But so many of these guys.

were there in 2019 when they were a couple of plays away from winning the Super Bowl and then they're back knocking on the doorstep in 20 and 21 in the conference championship and now the offense and the defense being this great together where both sides of the ball

can dominate a good Cowboys team this thoroughly is just impressive but I like an NFL where a 49er team is this good this early in the season. Yeah, because we can look at the schedule. You can, I mean, I don't like this game

but I'm just impressed And I'm impressed with greatness. I see what you mean. Because I mean, I, you know, growing up as a fan in the 80s and early 90s, their parody that we have now was something they were, you know, longing for, I guess, on some level. But it was typically like when the NFC won the Super Bowl, like 15, 16 years in a row, these dominant, roving, massive teams that were dynasties, essentially.

You go from one dynasty, the next. So I look down the schedule and they play in December, Philadelphia, and San Francisco. I'd rather be a Titanic thing that we're sort of on the horizon. Because I look at this game, I was talking to you, Dan, like, you know, on the preview show, I'm saying, well, Dallas needs to prove something to me. I've been suspicious of them, and it wasn't just the Cardinals game, but it's like, who are they? And, like, are they, like, as good as they seem in some of these high moments when you blew out the giants, which now looks, you know, like, so ho-hum. This game really doesn't tell me too much about Dallas, to be honest, because I think they can still go win. Oh, come on.

Well, no, but they can go win 11 or 12 games. Well, here's what, like, I don't trust them. But I didn't trust them before this game. And I don't trust them in big spots. And I don't trust them in January. I don't trust them in this matchup because this very well could be the same matchup in San Francisco at some point in the place. Sure.

All I'm saying is it, it's telling me more about the powerful, almost indestructible nature of a healthy Niners team. Yeah, I'm a little, I'm a little bummed about the game because what I will, I know the Niners are a superpower. I know the Eagles are a superpower. But then look at the rest of the NFC. Maybe Detroit. Cross your fingers. I mean, they're looking as good as you could possibly hope.

But it's early. Okay, right now they look great. The Cowboys, to me, this was a clear measuring stick game where you, to me,

you were exposed here. You're going to, you'll be okay. You're going to probably get a playoff spot unless you get hit with injuries. But I'm not now, now I'm not really looking forward to if that game happens again, whether it be wildcard round or divisional round. The Cowboys and the Niners playing against each other. There's not a lot

of juice to it because I know what this is about. There's a 49ers team that is much more talented and a Cowboys team, they're never going to admit it, but this team's in their head on top of it. And they played something during the pregame show on NBC of DAC getting indignant in a press conference ahead of this game this is earlier in the week and a uh a reporter asked if like the playoff game last year and or how the last two playoffs have ended your seasons against san francisco is that kind of stick with you and he he kind of glared at the reporter is like thanks for reminding me and he's like yeah it does bother me it bothers up and he kind of walked off and i don't know he was kind of playing it up a little bit also like this idea that there was a

chip on my shoulder and we have a grudge we're going to settle things this weekend and And then you don't even show up. You had eight first downs. You don't even show up. And Dak is terrible again in a big spot. And he's not alone. Nobody else shows up this defense. I know Trayvon Diggs isn't there now after the ACL.

But man, like that, that is a horrific, horrendous performance. And Brock Purdy's been throwing with a lot of pass protection and with wide open receivers flying all over the place all year. So wide open. But it wasn't supposed to be like that this game. Like the Cowboys were supposed to be a top defense. They certainly were exposed in that sense as well. I think one thing is because it's like, I get it,

Dak Prescott, it's a Dallas Cowboys quarterback, it's always going to be the centerpiece of these conversations about, can he rise to the moment? It's like, I think what happens tonight

a little bit is like, conversation over. But, what, rise to what moment, when? Like, I mean,

it's not, because of a week five, what do you mean? Like, right now he... Because over and over, Dak Prescott in big moments has not. And not against this team.

Like, really, like, all these things boil down to, like, the team you can't get past. Like, when the Bulls couldn't get past of Detroit Pistence until finally they could.

It's like they can't get past the Niners. And instead of getting better or getting closer, you're getting farther away. It looks worse. Kellyn Moore was your scapegoat coming off the last season. What was the plan tonight? They looked disorganized with no plan, no strategy, and no edge on a team that they cannot get past. Right. We've done this long enough that I always feel that in week five, like you always allow for the room that these teams could be totally different by the time they do play in the playoffs.

Because we've just seen it so many different times. but everything you're saying is also true. And the reality is there are two games back of the Eagles. Like that's a very real thing in a conference where Cowboys fans are almost assuming, well, we're in the playoffs. Well, you're in the playoffs needing to win three road games in a conference with the 49ers and the Eagles, unless you make up those two games that you're already down against Philadelphia.

I was surprised that the run game was so effective against this Dallas defense and that the receivers were so open. I think Draven's like this is a big loss, but still, come on. I am really impressed with Purdy's ability. I think you saw it on the first and the third kiddle touchdown. It's hard to keep track, but how does he naturally moves away from the pressure? And it's just like a small little subtle thing,

but it's like, okay, if there is a little pressure, it's like he's just going to back up three or four yards and go to the left. And then it makes the throw even easier. And by like an extra second or two, he does have a very nice feel. He obviously has nice accuracy. And we watch the game with Daniel Jeremiah, who knows like, look, he's just driving a Ferrari.

And he's good at driving it, but it is a Ferrari. And that's all true. They might have, they might have like five or six Hall of Famers on this team. But he's doing all the subtle things that you want to see that make you believe he can continue to do it all the way until Vegas. Yeah. He has been pretty much perfect as a starter. Yes.

I mean, he is the all-time safety net. bailout for this team that we've done Tray Lance and then took Purdy with the last pick and this is what you're getting. He's old. Yeah, but wouldn't they be four and one with Tray Lance or Sam Donald? They wouldn't be as good. Right.

But they'd like be we wouldn't win in games. They'd find a way. We kind of said it right before we went on. Like it's almost, it almost gets you like maybe again this is like some have not type fan talking. But like how do you mortgage your entire future to go up to number three and go get a quarterback

whiff on that on an almost unimaginable level to the point where you lose all that draft capital and you end up trade in the pick after two years of him doing nothing and then be in this position where you are a super team it makes you think oh what if they nailed that pick or what does that even mean maybe Mac Jones is doing the same thing

that Brock Purdy is but I feel like and you'll like this point Mark because I know you agree with it I feel like every time we have these conversations it goes back to somehow kind of taking a little air out of Purdy's balloon to show how great the Niners are where it's like maybe this all just came together in like a beautiful happenstance and now you have a perfect quarterback for this perfect team and my last point was before I throw it back to you is I love a good unstoppable force versus a movable object I grew up on Cowboys

and Niners NFC tilts in the early 90s and it was like you knew what the matchup was in September, barring some, like, crazy injury. I just, I was hoping that the Cowboys might be the team that's in the mix as well. Me too. And I know it's early, Greg, but I just, you just get the feeling that they're not at this level. Maybe the lines are that team. Maybe there's another team that will rise up in the next two months. But this, I mean, 12.3.

The Hawks look pretty good. Oh, but come on. That's a different tier. December 3rd, San Francisco at Philadelphia is the date to circle here is the game of the year now. And I feel like the last weekend in January, NFC title game. we're going to see those teams again. If the Cowboys aren't that team, please, give me one more. Let's get the NFC, get a little more juice in the NFC here.

I think it's a two-team conference right now. I'm with you. A lot can change, and it's like you don't want to overreact, except this isn't an aberration for the Niners. They've been doing this for years. And in a way, like, for the fact that they lucked out on Purdy, I would say that there were many seasons where quarterback injuries and injury chaos, like, took the Niners and Shannon.

of it. And so it's like there is like, you know, you keep drafting quarterbacks. You keep developing and we already trust that Chanahan can maximize. I'm with you. It's the last thing I'll say too is like this thing about Purdy where it's like we're kind of always looking around them as for why they're succeeding. It's like I don't know what else you can ask quarterback to do. I think it's because he's not like a physical specimen where he's not Anthony Richardson. He's not Cam New and it's like he looks a little bit kind of like a high school quarterback playing in the NFL to me. And yet he is, it's not just Shanahan. Like he's making these throws. He's seen the field. He's calm on the field.

Like, his teammates totally love him. The coaches totally dig him. Daniel Jeremiah was telling us that he's known as this, like, hyper-intense, competitive quarterback in practice, in games. Like, this is who he is. He fits what they're trying to do. But that's, it's why football's a really fun sport to cover, because it's everything.

It's all interconnected. You could say that on some level, we were talking about this too, that Debo and Iyuk are, they're not products of the system, but it's hard to evaluate how they would be outside of this system just because it all works so well together. The cornerbacks are all shading on the way that they cover IUC and Purdy and their eyes are all in the back field

because so much is going on before the SNAP because they have so much responsibilities with the running game, which is so dynamic what they do before the snap and how they run the ball, that that offers IUC and Debo the chance to have these free releases and get one-on-one coverage that, like, other receivers wouldn't get, and it all works together. And then, oh, by the way, it works on the other side.

You get Cleveland Farrell, a certified Trey Lance of the Raiders for four years. And, like, he shows up there, and because their defensive line is so loaded in that system so finally, like, he turns into a really productive player. So it's a credit to all of them. Or the fourth coordinator switch. It's everything. It's freaking everything. It's awesome.

And just to give you a snapshot of how. how out of hand that game was. They cut to Jarrah's suite, and he doesn't even look like he's that bummed. It's almost like that whole suite for about an hour was already an hour and a half was like, oh, okay, we know where we are now. And then you cut down to the sideline

with four minutes ago, and John Lynch has handed out handshakes. Man, hey, how about, how about a week? What do we got coming up? Week six? Yeah. We are headed to London, yes.

How about we get some nice, like rockers in prime time this week. You got the Giants on Prime. Let me use the parlance of where we're going. Let's get some quirkers. You got Giants bills. Your hope is that that's a corker. We've got Broncos Chiefs.

Broncos Chiefs and Giants. Okay, but you know a corker. You know what? We got the London game, Ravens Titans on NFL Network. That one's got to be good. We'll be there. All right. Good stuff.

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