NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2024 First Round Draft Recap

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap all the action from night one of the 2024 NFL Draft. The heroes start by breaking down the Falcons making the surprise decision to draft Michael Penix Jr. (05:35) followed by a recap of the top-ten picks of the draft (20:00). The heroes then run through picks 11-20 (43:14) and the final batch of selections from night one (01:03:05). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. With the first pick in the 2024 NFL draft, the Chicago Bears select Caleb Williams, quarterback to the California. Washington Commander select Jaden Daniels, quarterback LSU. The New England Patriots select Drake May. Quarterback, North Carolina, with the eighth pick

in the 2024 NFL draft. The Atlanta Falcons select Michael Pennix, Jr. Well, there it is. Wow. The Minnesota Vikings select. J.J. McCarcy. Quarterback, Michigan. The Denver Broncos select, Bo Nix.

There it is. Quarterback, Oregon, six for 12. Six quarterbacks in the first dozen picks. To quote Rambo, they're all gone, sir. Prior to tonight, seven offensive players to start the draft before we saw our first defensive player taken was the record, and we have doubled it. 14. That record may never be broken, and you'd have to say six quarterbacks.

backs in the first 12 picks is something that will never be broken as well. Wooee from the Chris Wesleying podcast studio. It's around the NFL. The 2,024 NFL draft is underway and we are through one round. And tonight, we are here to recap all of the madness and oh my goodness, was it mad? Dan Hans is here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. You heard it there. The face. Rich Eisen.

NFL network coverage of the big day from Detroit where there were 275,000 people there. Is that a real number? They had to stop letting people in an hour before the draft. Is that possible? 275?

Anyway, that breaks the all-time day-one draft record. That's like Mark, it was your era of pro wrestling. The old Pontiac Silver Dome. They packed 93K in for WrestleMania 3 when Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant. I do recall that actual event. So Detroit goes big and they did it again. And, and yes, six quarterbacks go in the first 12 picks, a draft record seven wide receivers go in the first round.

The offensive lineman, also a heralded group wiped out in the first round. So and Greg Rosenthal. as you heard, 14 offensive players go off the board before the first defensive players. So, I mean, we talked about these things and the way it seemed to be shaping up, but it never goes that extreme. So this has been the draft of extremes so far.

I woke up this morning, and I was so excited for this draft in a way. And I thought, like, is this just because the Patriots have the number three overall pick? It really does seem like the most intriguing draft. A lot of juice. Like a lot of juice. And then for it to deliver,

like that. Another record 23 offensive players in the first. And at least speaking for myself, I'm basic when it comes to the draft. I am more interested in the skill position players. Of course, offensive players includes all those tackles coming off the board. But I kept getting flashback, especially when Bo Nix got picked back to 2011, which to me was one of the most exciting drafts. 2004 was another one. And in 2011 was the one where I believe five quarterbacks went in the first round. Maybe it was four. And then it was Kaepernick. and Dalton and Carr early in the second two, and it was just like six quarterbacks very early.

This was like that except on Mesklin or something with Bo Nix going 12 and it going that fast. Yeah, I mean, to have six go and the Raiders, for instance, not be a team that takes one of them, it speaks to the fact that a lot of teams had deep quarterback needs. And there's risk there for sure. But I would look at this, like the 14 consecutive players,

that threw me. like on offense, because I thought at some point you're going to get your Dallas Turner or verse or someone in there. But nothing, I don't find the rest of it that surprising. For like a month plus two months, we've been talking about like huge amount of quarterbacks go, best wide receiver class we've seen in ages, and a great tackle class, or offensive line class. It's where they go and it's the aftershocks. And the place everyone thought defense was going to go was Atlanta. I know we're going to get to all the picks.

But it is these little aftershocks and it's the little reports afterwards. And you mentioned it. I think it was a perfect storm. All these teams, and Daniel Jeremiah pointed out, needed offense, and a lot of them needed quarterbacks. Our guy James Palmer reported after the Jeff that Seahawks, Saints, and Raiders were all trying to get up for Pennix, and that's one of the reasons why Atlanta didn't feel like they could move back at all.

We had mentioned Seattle. That many teams were in on quarterbacks. Who's we? Many didn't even get it. Mark. Just say I did. It's okay. Well, because I'll say we because, you know, it's just information that was out there.

I didn't like talk directly to John Schneider. You said it and then actually he dismissed it. Yes, he dismissed it that I don't want. So don't, do Royal Wee say I said that and Greg, you dismissed. That's how the show works. I said second round. Take your glory lap, Mark Sessler. I don't know.

Remember, oh, Lance Airline, love the guy. Yeah. He hung up the phone when you suggested Michael Pennix could go early in the first round. I think we should start there. And we're going to get to the top of the first round, the very tippy top, which went chalky, but still important. for obvious reasons but i think in all my years here with this company and um uh and that's a while now i've never been more confounded and stunned by a pick like the atlanta falcons

fresh off giving uh a massive contract to a 36 year old kirk cousins finally once and for all addressing the quarterback position that has hexed them since Matt Ryan got old and then left and eventually retired last week. To take Michael Pennix Jr. 8th overall is an absolute stunner and it's a stunner to obviously

everyone that Yes, I agree, Greg. Everyone that has been following this process, obviously the Falcons weren't going to take a quarterback. It makes no sense. I want somebody to make sense of it to me. Is there anyone in this room? that can help me

and other people like many Falcons fans I presume absolutely Kirk Cousins because we're already hearing reports that he was really stunned by the news and was made aware of their decision making minutes before it happened why?

I have my questions about Michael Pennix as a prospect. I have been trying to lead the take your quarterbacks as much as possible. You can't take quarterbacks too much, too high, too many resources. always defending the Patriots when they would take a second round pick on a backup,

defending the Packers when they took Jordan Love, which a pick that got made fun of for multiple years, by the way, after they did it. And this one stunned me because Pennix didn't seem like that level of a prospect, but they obviously believe in them. And then you think about the Cousins contract. And here's how it makes sense, Dan. It's a two-year contract.

I think that's it. That it's a two-year contract. Pennix is being signed for a five-year contract. and they said afterwards, they being Rahim Morris, we won't be picking this high with the guy that we have and Kirk Cousins trying to pick up his guy. We don't want to be picking up here anymore. They plan to be a very good team starting right now

and they want to get their quarterback of the future in the building right now. And I don't think it's crazy. First of all, Kirk Cousins is coming off at Torn Achilles. That's like a little under the radar. Greg, four years, $180 million, $100 guaranteed. Two-year contract, you had made a $100 million guarantee to that man to be your quarterback. But it's all in the first two years.

They have $10 million in the third year. And if he's great, then that's great. Then you have your quarterback solution. And you have Kirk Cousins and you have someone behind. I don't think it's that crazy, especially when half the picks bust in the top 10 anyways. Like people act like it's so crazy to like invest in. a pick you might not use when a lot of the picks don't work. I agree with you.

I do understand, like, if you're the nuts. Sure, maybe, but, and I get that there's a Falcons fan sitting out there thinking we could have taken Roma Dunzee, we could have taken the best pass rusher, that's fine. And that's not incorrect thinking in terms of how the draft works and how people respond. But Pennix is the perfect guy to slow cook behind cousins for a year plus. I don't hate the idea. And if he is what some people think he can be. I think this says a lot about Arthur Blank,

who has been in a quarterback wilderness since they annoyed Matt Ryan by chasing after Deshawn Watson and lost Matt Ryan and it's been of an abyss since. And I think it's planning for the future. People, when you draft someone in the top 10, people want someone who will start and affect games right away. And I think that's where the disappointment could come from,

especially when you're going to track and see how some of these other players perform. But we don't exactly know what Kirk Cousins is at this point. and it is really only a two-year situation and you can point to Patrick Mahomes, you can point to Aaron Rogers, you can point to Jordan Love as guys that you bring in that sit for a while and then they shine.

And I think Pennix is a good candidate to benefit from that. Now, let's point out, those are good examples, but Patrick Mahomes is arguably the greatest quarterback ever. Jordan Love coming off, obviously a big year.

But in general, this is not something, this is not really how the league operates anymore when you take a quarterback and especially if he take him this high, he's expected to play and that doesn't mean he should and that doesn't mean that's a bad pick. The reason my thinking is if you really love this guy, Michael Pennix, they do. Draft them. But don't sign Kirk Cousins like or signed Kirk Cousins. It wasn't that long ago. I mean, but like I think the thing is the offseason happens and in waves and in chapters. And yes, you can say

these two things shouldn't have happened to the same team in the same off season. But a year from now, six months from now of Kirk Cousins is injured, like this looks great.

So you hedged your bets on Cousins. But you didn't really because you paid him like a superstar. But Cousins is a short-term veteran solution at quarterback. Let me tell you this also. It was 10 years ago. I'd have a problem.

It's turning 24 in two weeks. I think that's a good point. So that is also, so now, like unless cousins is a disaster, an injury riddle disaster, which is possible, uh, he's not even touching the field now as he's edging into his late 20s. I just, I don't, I just don't. It doesn't make sense to me. And here's the thing. When you do invest, we can talk about all this thing like it's not a long term signing, but it was a major

signing for this organization. And when you invest that much in a player like cousins, you're expecting him to be there two years at least. And then if he's playing, at a high level maybe beyond that okay and then what you do like my team the jets like you need to with his window that you just opened with kirk cousins you got to build around him right now and you have a chance to bring in the guy that goes off next off the board roma doones a like that would have been a very logical move for them now does this now does michael panic's junior turn into a stud maybe but here's the other thing he is a very raw prospect and it's a total right and and why at the very least great my last point of this then i'll

shut up. No, I think this could move back. Move back. Well, I don't think they could based on that James Palmer's reporting. If he's not there, if he's not there, it's not like you're left hold in the bag. You still have Kirk Cousins in the building. And you could take a gambit and say, maybe we can make it work out. It was overly aggressive. And I think it speaks to a lot organizationally in the last few years. I don't think they know

what they're doing ultimately. Well, I disagree. Everyone's saying, oh, this is a ready-made team. I don't think they're there yet. But you're saying you've got to hit this window right now. It's like, I want to applaud teams that value the quarterback position correctly. The reason they're making all this money is because it's worth so much more than the rest. So I don't think you can invest too much in the position. And the idea that like, we want to set our franchise up for eight years, for 10 years to be good at the moment that Kirk Cousins inevitably starts the decline. He's not going to be a great player at 38. He might not be a great player this

year at 36. That's another conversation. And so you try to set up a situation and Rahim Morris said it. He said, we took note of the Green Bay model. So they were looking at that. It does make you wonder and you were talking about... But it's a different situation, Greg. Aaron Rogers

is a franchise legend that was there forever. Sure. Whereas Kirk Cousins, someone they sought out two months ago. The point is, though, I don't think it's crazy and I know the Patriots didn't use a first round pick, but they used multiple seconds to back up Brady. Like, the position is just so valuable that you almost can't spend too many resources on it. I have some issues just with

Pennix as a prospect seems very divisive, not incredibly accurate, like a great arm, an old school quarterback, kind of like Kirk Cousins is in a way, but more like a Joe Flacco type of model. That was Daniel Jeremiah's comp. Right. And I totally see that when you watch him. Like he gets super hot. He's a big time arm. He's a pocket passer. Is he going to be? The player, I don't know. But the process, I kind of like it. You mentioned the age. A couple people hit me up on Twitter with that, too.

It's like, well, but you're thinking about the next seven of years. What's wrong with a quarterback coming in when he's 26 years old? Like, you're thinking about a guy that's going to try to last for a while. And I actually like the Atlanta Falcons thinking long term, thinking a little differently, process-wise. I just hope Pennix is a good enough player to make them look. Right. You also need him to hit the ground running like Jordan, And so like, wait, but they have to be a polished player when he gets there or

wait, but Jordan Love was as raw as it gets. And he looked totally unready for multiple years. You need him. That's hard to do what the Packers have done and they've proven it now over 25 years. They know how to do this. The Falcon saying, we want to be like the Packers with this. You need Pennix not only now to likely sit for two years. When he enters the fray, he needs immediately be a difference maker.

And if he's not, if it takes him a couple of years, guess what? His rookie deal is almost over. Well, and it's also. like, you know, 65% of other draft picks in the first round that don't work. I mean, it's like, I don't have a problem with this.

And this is another outlier scenario, but it reminds me a little bit of when the Cowboys under Jimmy Johnson drafted Troy Aikman. And, you know, terrible first season. Team was terrible. The next year, they go out,

Jimmy Johnson turns around and drafts Steve Walsh, his former college quarterback, totally agitated Troy Akeman. Who is his guy, Jimmy Johnson's guy. He wanted Walsh to that job. Right. But then they turned

around and they had two quarterbacks. Troy ickman's developing. The team's getting better. They turn around and traded Steve Walsh, who really never did anything as a pro for a lot. I'm just saying that's another thing you could do at some point is move Michael Pennix. It's just a possibility. Or move Kirk Cousins. Or move Kirk Cousins. But there's one other thing about this version of the Falcons that I like

is that no one knew this was coming. There's no leaks inside that building. I mean, there was reporting that they liked Pennix a lot. We've known that. But no one saw this coming. one, not a single soul. Rapsheet had it in the hour before the draft. Give credit to him. He didn't say it was definitely happening,

but he pretty much threw it out there. Don't be surprised if Pennix goes to the Falcon. So right before the draft, and that was the first I had heard. Even one person mentioned that. Stunning. The problem is, though, they are human beings here,

and you mentioned the cousins part of it. So our guy, Rapsheet, reported, you know, he got a call like while the Falcons were on the clock to let him know. but, you know, DJ and then also the athletics, I never seen, you know, kind of mentioned, like, the agent, you know, it was a surprise. Coming into tonight, Cousins had no idea.

I think they used the word stunned. And these are two people and cousins especially that are going to have to go and work together. Cousins is coming off an injury. So I don't know if he's going to, he's not going to be ready to be on the field right now. Like when they go to OTAs in a couple weeks, it's going to be pedics with the starting team. That'll be his moment for the, you know, next couple of years. He'll have that OTA in the spring. well it's a little awkward because you did mention like if he got to be ready the funny thing

about as ready as anyone he's played he started 48 games over five seasons in college but he's not ready he's old play for him but what i'm saying is you got a guy it's ready to play that's not going to play he's i'm saying he might i think it's been a little who's crying for taylor heineckee greg taylor heineckee like who took a hometown discount to stay with the falcons is you know take the next bus next gray hump bus we got to move on all i'll i mean it's just but you two are not you're never going to agree

Dan you're not going to agree with Greg and like it's not so much I just want to point out that no one's kind of brought up the fact that why are we assuming

Kirk Cousins is ready for week one at 36 years old coming off a torn Achilles it's like the human body I would say in recent years

players that have that injury are ready now he could have a setback or whatever and well they didn't give him that money thinking he's not going to be ready too

I'm just saying maybe there's something we don't know about Cousins and maybe he had a step back. Maybe there's something more to the story. But my last point is I don't think Cousins obviously isn't happy.

I don't think Michael Pennix is happy either. He's happy as the first round pick. But he went somewhere where he's not going to play. That's not great either. And if you see him when he picks up the phone, you can see in his mind. He's like, wait, what's going on? His agent probably was like, all right, you're going to the team that just signed a guy for $100 million guaranteed

over the next two years. But it's cool. You're a top 10 pick. It's a bittersweet moment I would imagine for Michael Pennix Jr. Sure. From one other angle, though, from like a more cutthroat angle, Like, there are people that were mocking him to the second round. He's getting top eight money. No, that's great. That's great.

And honestly, like, if he does a Jordan Love thing where, you know, a couple seasons from now, he comes in and shines, like, he gets his fifth year option picked up, too. There's less bad tape or raw tape, potentially, to learn behind cousins. Right. I am a little worried about him. Although, Jordan Love was a tricky prospect, a surprising pick, too, and that worked out. One last, my last thing is just the video of Terry, Fontenow talking to Arthur Blank in their war room was a fascinating video. I really want to know.

It really sounded like he was trying to explain the pick. Because when this pick happened, I was like, is this ownership? Because we've heard how Blank wants his guy, his quarterback. And I was like, is ownership kind of making them take a quarterback of the future? Like based on what we've heard over the last few years, like, you know, Arthur Blank could be involved. But then this image of Fontenow almost like going through and explain. and then he was like moving it down. It was almost like he was, to me, if I had to guess,

was explaining like why we couldn't trade back to maybe take panics. Arthur Blank was born in 1942. I would imagine he, you know, he's a guy that's looking for some results this year. And the player that they added this year probably can't help them this year.

So wild. All right. So that's like the big crazy story that came out of the day. And we told you about the overall numbers and the bulk of certain positions. Let's start at the top of the draft. And so it's Caleb Williams as expected to the Bears.

Jaden Daniels as expected to the commanders. Drake May as expected to the Patriots. Take away. Let's check out, by the way, Caleb Williams. And good job by our company, which has blown this draft thing up into things that I can't even wrap my head around as someone that used to go to Radio City Music Hall. Sure. Years ago, what it is now compared to what it was then.

It's absurd. So now all the guys run down. I don't think they want you to use the word absurd, but you can't. In a positive way. That's a positive absurd. There's like a 25-yard runway with a matching color scheme for the player. And then they get their hat and their jersey. It's the whole thing.

It's made for television, like the halftime show for the Super Bowl. Here's Caleb Williams and check this out on YouTube if you haven't seen it. Speedwalking down and then letting out a big old Rick Flair. He's about to put a bear's hat on and introduce him. to the world and head to Michigan Avenue. He might not have ran a Ford in Indy, but he's running one here. I mean, he is flying up there. He's excited to get this journey started.

He really sold me both the way he came out there, the way he spoke in his interviews, just seems like a dude. Yeah, he also had that how he finished his interview with Kaylee Hartung making her NFL network. debut. The Bears. That was how he finished that. Yeah, I loved that. And we don't have to spend a ton of time I know, but I, man, we just haven't talked that much about Caleb Williams. And when we say, like, he can make every throw, like, I mean, like every throw. And I, I heard Ollie Connolly talk about it on his podcast. And I thought it was really smart the way he put it. That, like, one drive he can kind of look like Mahomes. And then the next drive, he can kind of look like Manning. And then you watch how he navigates in the pocket. And that, that, like, reminds you of the very best people in terms of inside the pocket. And he has the experience with the RPO and he has the quick release.

He just feels like he has every single club in the bag. And he kind of brings out different things based on what he needs. And it's just, I'm very excited to watch me some Caleb. And he's just so accurate. He's the most accurate guy in the class too. So it's like, no prospect is perfect or whatever. But I am so excited to watch this dude. It's going to be a value ad for the league.

I think we saw that with his personality. And I'm excited that I get to watch him with Roma Dunsey. Well, and he's, you know, it's a, what an incredible introduction from an NFC North standpoint. He's coming out there and he's booed lustily by Lions fans who have packed the place. He doesn't seem to care at all. And it's like, you have to go back to 1947 and Bob Fenimore, the blonde bomber, the last time that the Bears picked a quarterback first overall. That's crazy.

That's, that's, there's no team coming close to that stat, I would imagine. And I do think it matters that on USC, there's a lot of like Ballyhooed USC stuff. when they brought in the new coach. It's like they were a hundred and twenty-third in scoring defense. So he was under the gun to fire the ball down field over and over. I think it's a deep passer. He's incredible. The Bears haven't had someone like this in eons.

It's like they feel like, Fields had that one nice season, but it's like this is a team that kind of, even when they went to the Super Bowl against the Colts, it's like always minus the star quarterback. And I think it's a completely new organization at this point because of them. And I think, you know, I was at the end of the last season. I still think Justin Fields has a chance to have a really good career.

And we'll see what happens in Pittsburgh or wherever he ends up being potentially as a long-term solution for somebody. But when you see a player like this and you start to really dig in on his background and you see the way he came out there, it's like, okay, this guy is someone that you're, you hit the reset with with him. and then you pair him, like we said, with the number nine pick after the falcons stun the world and take a quarterback. That leaves this great prospect, Roma Dunezay, who some people say, you know, Marvin Harrison, who goes forth to the Cardinals, we'll get you in a second. He was the kind of clear-cut number one guy, but people think that Adunzee could be an absolute superstar. And now you got D.J. Moore across from him, and you have what you have what Bryce Young, for example, did not have last year, which is a real supporting cast around him. So the Bears suddenly go from one of the most boring teams to watch over the last 10 years or so.

They are going to be kind of must-see TV, at least in the beginning of the season. And it happened quickly. And it's like the only thing I think they've got to focus on more offensive line help, they had the highest pressure rate in the league last year. So it's like that's one, we saw fields getting destroyed by that over and over. And it's like that's not a wonderful thing for Caleb Williams.

But they have done a lot in two off seasons. And that trade last offseason with the Panthers looks better and better and better by the minute. Right. They got very fortunate that the Panthers ended up being the worst team in the league.

Like that is true. They probably didn't think the Panthers were going to be good. So they were taking a shot and you're rolling. They nailed it. They nailed everything about it. You're hoping for the best.

They pound it. But they got like, you know, one of the best quarterback prospects we've seen in a long time. And now Keenan Allen can play inside, by the way, too.

It's like, of course the Dunes, they can move inside sometimes too. And King and Allen can play outside. That's right. They are Keenan Allen?

Of course they're going to be flexible, but Alan is now at his best inside. You have come at there. DeAndre Swift was a nice pickup. They absolutely are going to see that over under, which was an eight and a half, I believe. Like, I mean, that's just going to, with the dunesay, I just feel like that's going to keep that. That division has turned semi-psychotic. All right. The commanders, they do indeed take Jaden Daniels. Don't believe anything about moving out of that pick. They take Daniels. So he is the future for Washington. And then, Greg. we could talk about both these players,

but Drake May then goes to the Patriots who apparently there was a report out there. This is an interesting report. You see this report? It was the Patriots and Vikings reached out to the Chargers about Justin Herbert. It cannot... I loved... Yeah, it cannot hurt. This is from

Adam Schaefter, by the way, to kick the tires on that one. And just because Jim Harbaugh? They're nuts. So you just like kick the tires? Call the crazy guy and just see what's going on with him. And they were rebuffed, obviously. and then they go back and they say, okay, we're cool at this dude.

What do you think about this dude? How excited are you? I am a 10, Greg. I am a 10. This is what I was hoping for the whole time. I love this for the Patriot. That Drake May would fall to them. I didn't think was going to happen on Christmas Eve

when they beat the Broncos in that weird game. And I was enjoying the game. You know, it's a lonely Christmas for me. And it's like the Patriots brought a little joy. I was like, oh, it's worth it. but they're not going to get Drake May now. And for Jaden Daniels to become this consensus number two pick and going into today,

I was just worried they were going to get too cute and trade down. It's like, when are you going to have a legit superstar potential quarterback sitting there? Hopefully you're not drafting that high. And when I watch him, he is just box office. And he is an incredible runner. It wouldn't surprise me of all these guys who can all run well if he has the most rushing value. If he's kind of a Jalen Hertz type of player,

early in his career. You can build a decent amount of the offense about his running and his deep passing. And that to me is just an exciting offense. I'm glad it sounded like they never even considered it. You could tell Gerard Mayo is totally different because he basically told the Patriots draft party an hour and a half before the draft. We're not trading the pick. We're just got to, you know, don't worry. We're going to make our pick early and you're going to like it. He's a great player. And it's like, okay, I guess they're taking Drake May. They already were saying like the, forget about the trade. We're not thinking about it. He's fascinating. He is someone that I think is going to be an immediate fan favorite for his physical nature or play, what he can do on the

ground. I mean, there is some, there's been concern about, like, the little things that he's got to grow at and some of his, like, accuracy on passes that, like, he does these incredible things, but then he's like, wait a minute, what happened right there? It's almost like, there's an a version of, like, you want to see the way that Josh Allen grew in certain little ways when people would kind of were ready to throw Josh Allen out the window like he improved but he improved as a pro

but that's unusual that's atypical and so Drake May needs to do have a similar growth pattern for certain elements of his game but it's like this is like a whole new day for the Patriot

I don't see him as raw though as like I don't think is as raw as everyone said I think he did a lot of next level stuff he was just in a brutal situation he's about to be again they kind of have talked about already that that Jacoby Brissette,

I have a feeling will be the, the weak one starter. We'll see. It probably won't last that long. And it was funny. You mentioned Josh Allen, I know you want to go, Dan, but Bill Belichick was on McAfee,

and he was quoted saying, Drake compares himself a lot to Josh Allen. He's been doing that for quite a while. I haven't seen that. A lot of people compare them, did he? We'll see about that. And then he kind of negged,

he kind of ngged Drake May a little bit. But to be fair, he kind of nagged all the top five picks. That's when I watched the Belal portion of the McAfee. He, it was very different. Is that the portion

of the telecasts where the audio was working for Bells? Yes, that it, the pre, you know,

they had some snafus on YouTube and whatnot. But, uh, so I've heard. He, he, he was trying to,

he really calm everyone down, really about all the picks and pointing out the negatives, but especially May, he seemed to, that's refreshing.

Yeah. I thought the, uh, what did he say, was he freaking out about panics, look everyone else? I left,

I left, I left the, that telecast around pick five. I'm a loyal company man I was trying to watch both It was too hard Okay

I was just curious If anyone else picked up on the NFL network The way they were talking about Drake May As if it was almost a foregone conclusion That he wouldn't start And that they were going to bring him along slowly And that's to what you're saying

That I guess he needs polished In the eyes of some But I just that doesn't really happen Like doesn't really happen three or week four. But Jacoby Brissette. But that's not the way it was being discussed. It wasn't like he's going to start by October 1st. It kind of was being

talked about like, you know, this is going to be sitting behind him for a year. Like, that's this, this, that's cool until like they're 0 and 2. Right. I mean, Mac no, but wait a second. We're not going back down the sort. Michael Pennix isn't going on the lineup if Kirk Cussons is over. I know, but I'm saying to your point that Pennix is a way, to your argument

that you're not getting someone who's going to help you right away. Like, Drake May is completely different. If they're, if they're right, they're rebuilt. water. Drake May is going to be in the lineup by half time a week one potentially. I don't want to hear this sitting for a year as a starter behind Jacoby percent. Yeah.

I don't. I mean, it's like Mack Jones played a lot as a rookie. Played pretty well. Like, I don't. If they're good enough coaching staff, like, he will be playing. There's no reason to be that. Pay it no mind what people say

about rookies waiting on the bench. In almost all cases, they end up playing very quickly now. Marvin Harrison Jr., yes, goes to the Cardinals. for overall. A lot of discussion about them moving back and letting a QB needy team trade up. They obviously did not have either the interest to make that move or they didn't get an offer that they like. So they sit home and this is something I thought they should

have done all along. I thought it was the right move. You get yourself a potential superstar wide receiver. Pair him with Kyler Murray, who despite being under contract for big money, is coming back for his first full season after ACL and you just got to like find out if this is truly going to work. Now you give him an absolute stud to play with. There is value if they were if they were you know, you know, treated to a monster deal by the Vikings to do what they talked about being very and open to doing. But I think if you're a Cardinals fan who suffered through many rough seasons, this is basically saying we've gotten our next version of Larry Fitzgerald. And he's not he's not exactly explosive as like a Malik

neighbors. He's different. But he does like everything so well. that it's a rare player where I think it's a little unfair to him but it's like oh it's a disappointment if he isn't a Hall of Fame wide receiver like if he'd made two Pro Bowls and was a top 10 guy it's like that's a disappointment like the expectations

are through the roof and I think for once if you're the Cardinals this was a need that matches up with arguably the best player in the draft I have no problem with this I love it I love not getting cute but I don't think they had the option I don't think they were offered I mean the whole McCarthy was

never in the class with May and Daniels. I think teams were just seeing which quarterback for sure was going to shake out to three. And our reporting on NFL Network was that the Giants and the Vikings both tried to trade up with the Patriots. And they even made a last-ditch effort of like raising their offer to trade up with the Patriots. And it's safe to assume that's for Drake May. Patriots didn't want to do it. They stayed and picked. And once he wasn't available, the Vikings were fine, just letting McCarthy fall down the board. Obviously, they end up getting him, and the Giants were never going to take him in the first place, apparently. Right.

It tells you how much the Patriots think of Drake May's potential here that they would, that could have been a real boon for them to get additional picks at a time where they really need to stock that roster. But if they love the QB, you take the QB. This is also where my mock draft went into a fiery dumpster or began to. And we're going to hit that at the end of the show. but yeah, it's a tough thing to do. It's not easy business, Mark. You know that. Don't beat yourself up.

Joe Alt goes number five to the Chargers. So a little bit, I would say it was a surprise. A lot of people had him pegged for seven to the Titans. You know the Titans were not happy with this because, well, we don't know it. But they take J.C. Latham from Alabama also a tackle, but you would think they wanted to have the choice of the two or Alt outright. So you have those two linemen go. around, yes, the New York Giants. So the Giants, if Drake May or Jade and Daniels were on the board, that's probably the new quarterback in New York Giants. But once those three players went off, they stayed home and they took Malik neighbors. I have obviously Giants fans, friends back east that some of them were like, I wish they took Roma Dunzee. He's a guy that's gotten a little bit more buzz leading up to the draft. However, you talk to people, this guy has every opportunity here to become a superstar as well if putting the right.

such a situation. Yeah. And the Giants aren't the right situation, not now. I mean, they haven't been. Maybe they can become that. He's another, he's another receiver who, who probably works his best over the middle of the field, which they, it feels like that's all they've got is all these different guys. And yet he's like three tiers above. He's so explosive. I think there were probably more teams that had him over Harrison than even maybe there were teams that had a dunzee over, over neighbors. I think people just felt in love with his explosiveness. And I did like what Harbaugh said about All. He was like, people are

going to say like, what about your weapons? Where are your weapons? And he said, uh, with the Chargers, like, we're going to look at the offensive line as weapons. Yeah, they have real football. Remember his thing about the, the five fingers, make a fist with the offensive line? I mean, he kind of let it be known from the very start.

I love the pick for them. They have Roshan Slater too, but they, you know, Tray Pipkins is not going to be starting at that point at that position. Joe Alt, like the one thing is like, you know, a lot of these guys weren't at the draft, but they cut to his house. You know, he's almost like, he's like six, eight. He stood up and was like two feet taller than anyone else in the household.

Like, there's like the 30 people around him. You love it. You love big humans. Well, I think actually, like, to me, it is, it was like some of these teams did not do what we expected, but for the Chargers, who I thought were a trade down candidate, to go get Joe Alt, it's like, that's a hardball player. That's a Greg Roman type player. And he dominates in the run game.

He's massive. And it's exactly the setup point. He's six nine. They want like seven or seven. He's almost six-line. There are almost no comps, like, to his height and size. Jonathan Ogden is one of them and was one of the greatest players of all time at his position. There's a few other here and there.

But to be that athletic at 6-9, it's just like, we're seeing this across all sports. Like, humans are testing the bounds of, like, how athletic tall people essentially can be. You see it in tennis, you see it in basketball. It's just, like, preposterous how athletic. athletic now like a six nine tackle could be not horse racing don't see you that not in horse race no in fact you see a lot of bad things happening horse racing when you push the the animal too far and in baseball the game for pitchers right now there's like an epidemic right now with pitchers suffering arm injuries because uh things like spin rate and velocity keeps going up up up

and they're dealing now the sport with like how do we rein this in because the human body can't take it you know, be careful with these big men. Don't let him get too big. We're mere humans. That's all I'm saying. We're mortal. Tell it to Randy Johnson. Tell it to the bird that he hit.

Tell it to the... I think we can. Tell it to like the 230-pound linebacker that's trying to get around this mountain. That sounds like the end of baseball, by the way. We're creeping towards the end of the sport. I think it'll be... It does. I mean, there are people like you

who want baseball to die. That's not true at all. It never will, well. There's nothing. nicer to do than go to a baseball game out on a summer day, but you're saying that literally the most important position is losing the human body can't keep up with

the sport. I believe they'll find a way. That's all. But I'm educating you on something going on there. It's completely different sport. I don't know that. It is kind of a let's... Football is completely different than basketball. Of a Titans draft. It's just like...

You've mentioned it's not as exciting. I know we'll get to the Jets. Like when you take the But at least it was like, ooh, this is we got the guy. This is a tackle that would have gone maybe top three some years. Like it's certainly a better prospect. I will say this. Or Eric Fisher were like when they were coming out. I think Joe Alt was like an outlier.

He's the one offensive lineman where you would come out of the job. Like, yeah, we got the six, nine beast. Right. But instead, J.C. Lathen, by the way, could end up being way better than Joe Alt. But it doesn't in right now where we stand. It doesn't seem as fun or exciting. All right.

let's finish off the top 10 and then we're going to take a break. So we mentioned J.J. McCarthy, the last quarterback standing and there are the Vikings. And the Cardinals were hoping that maybe the Vikings would pick up in a panic and try to do a trade there, perhaps. But they don't. The Vikings hang back. They hang back. And McCarthy stays on the board.

Even when the team at number eight stuns the world with a quarterback pick, it's not J.J. McCarthy. So what do the Vikings do? They pick up the phone at 11. They call up the Jets. Or the Jets call the Vikings. I thought, Daniel Jeremiah, I have to give him a little pop. He expertly foreshadowed this, like minutes ahead of time.

That the Jets, he's been in a situation where you just pick up the phone, if you're the Jets, perhaps, and say, hey, you want to move up one ahead of us before somebody else jumps ahead of you? and they ended up the Jets trade out of the pick they gain a little bit of draft capital moved back one spot and yes J.J. McCarthy goes to the Minnesota Vikings there is their quarterback of the future.

I will say I thought that like Questi, the GM for the Vikings like you've got to kind of, if you're a Vikings fan this was like a nice hand of cards. Like he did a nice job here because they could have, they were the candidate to ship both their first round picks to get J.J. It wasn't to get someone else.

It was, in theory, to get J.J. McCarthy as the fourth quarterback. They tried to, but it was for Drake May. But it was sure, but I'm saying, they didn't value McCarthy like that. But even in the days leading up, it was like, the thought was they would have been okay with McCarthy and they would have moved and it would have taken a lot. You gave up a little bit, but you kind of got your guy or the guy that was most likely to fall to you at where if you moved up to number four here.

And it's like, it's good for the Jets, but it was good for the Vikings. And I kind of like the fit with Kevin O'Connell. I think a quarterback's in a good. place there. You've got wide receivers. You've got a good tight end. Like, your offense is kind of ready to go. And I think what happens to McCarthy is one of the more interesting subplots to next season. It's not great for Sam Darnold. But I think there was always a plan to get a different quarterback. Donald knew that too. Once they traded for that second first round pick, the writing was on the wall. Yeah. Now it just becomes, again,

there will be, and they'll play their cards close to the vest. Like, who's going to start the beginning of the season? But J.J. McCarthy is the quote unquote proven winner. He's a guy that's one at every level he's played at. I think they're going to view him as a guy that's going to be ready physically and emotionally to take that gig and they're going to hope he's going to run with it. I was a little spooked. Like if I'm a, even though they didn't, they were smart the way they played, they didn't panic. And I thought if they wanted a quarterback and they couldn't get those top three, more or less staying home or as close as you can to staying home was the right play. But then, you know, you see like people that been studying this player

from months and months and years saying, oh, he's like, maybe like an Alex Smith. Like, oh, okay. All right. Well, he had some good years, but, I mean, is that what you want out of your, like, number? I guess. I don't know.

Is Alex Smith, is that a ceiling that's acceptable for the pick? I don't know. If that's what his ceiling is. He's been compared sometimes to cousins, like to the next gen cousins. It's kind of like. You can deal with that. Right.

That one I could live with. And it's kind of like when you're comparing these guys, Penn X to Flacco is another one from DJ where it's like next Gen Flacco, Next Gen Cousins? Because, like, every quarterback now is extremely athletic compared to those guys. It's fun. Like, J.G. McCarthy's almost talked about it's like, his athleticism is boring. He tested off

the charts for some of this stuff. Like, his straight, he's not, like, going to make you miss, but his straight line speed is three cone. Like, that sort of stuff. Like, he has a big arm and he's an athlete, even if that's not the main part of his game. But he did seem to be the guy that the

Sean McVeigh tree, of which O'Connell is one like the best because he's like the one to two to three. Like maybe not so much, um, cousins or Alex Smith, but like a better Brock Purdy, which obviously you would take if he actually can deliver on that. I, I wonder if the Broncos wanted J.J. McCarthy. You know, because that's the reason you trade up is, well, I think more than, probably more than Bo Nix. If we could truth serum. Right. Well, we will never find out. Hold that thought. Let's take a break. And when we get back, we, uh, check in on the.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, welcome back. So the Jets moved back one spot and Brock Bowers is there. I think they really, you'll never know, but I think they were hoping Roma Dunezay was there. And I think they maybe

would have pulled the trigger there, but maybe, maybe they always were going to take the best offensive linemen available at that point. And it was Olu Fashnu. Yeah, you got it. First try. Olu Fashino from Penn State. So, like I said, on our last show, when your team takes an offensive lineman, it's never overly exciting.

However, they have a left and a right tackle, even as high as the potential is with Tyron Smith now. They're left tackle. 233-year-olds, Morgan Moses on the other side, Smith's injury issues are well documented. If either of those guys go down or both those guys go down, all of a sudden you have a 40-year-old Aaron Rogers coming off an Achilles injury. and you're right back where it feels like you've been. So it makes sense. It's a sensible pick. It's if Brock Bowers,

who then goes two picks later to the Raiders, turns into George Kittle, like his comp that's out there. And Faschinoe becomes yet another offensive lineman who kind of just kicks around the league and it doesn't quite take if it becomes McKay Beckton. You got to, you have to live with it.

But it makes sense. It's a logical pick for the Jeff. That's the whole like psychological dynamic of the draft is you, no matter what kind of fan you are, or even analyst, if you like a team, you're kind of just dreaming of the showy, sexy weapons type

guy. And like, you don't really value offensive linemen out of the gate. But this guy's been compared to Laramie Me Tunzel. Jason Zumwalt, when he announced this pick in the mock draft, like, was salivating over the 6'6 frame, 317 pounds. And you know what's not exciting is having your quarterback

swarmed by bees four plays into the season. And the season is destroyed. So I like the idea of protecting Aaron Rogers and not having the whole thing crumble minutes into campaign two. Right. I didn't like when it was positioned as like well do you take a pick for now

with the Jets with a pass catcher or do you take a pick for the future or the tackle? It's like no, this is for now. Like hopefully he's not starting week one but it would be a shock if he wasn't needed to start this season and I really liked him. I think

he was probably the consensus tackle too, certainly over Latham, in that, like, we've seen with tackles that it's a really developmental position, maybe even more than quarterback, where it takes me one year, two year, it takes a while. And Fashton who kind of combined maybe better than the others, a guy that could play sooner than later and had some upside behind probably only all. And he's definitely a guy that's like better in pass pro than run blocking. And it's like, sign me up for those guys.

Those are like kind of the tackles I want, the guys that. Yeah, DJ said he would have been a top five pick a year ago. So, I mean, like, I think this is just one of these drafts where he's getting pushed down the board a little because of the positions that are going ahead of him. And I'll give Joe Douglas credit. I think when you look at what they've done this offseason, he could have done the thing that would have made a lot of sense, which is almost make it a absurd all in year where you're doing things like you trade up for Marvin Harrison or you make that extra assigning or two in free agency. I thought all of his moves that he made for the most. part have made this team better in or giving them a real chance in 2004 and while they're going to have a lot of work to do next year if Aaron Rogers is gone or can't play anymore, they

haven't mortgaged the farm in terms of a lot of their spending. So I think there, I think he has handled this in a responsible way considering there's a very good chance he's not around anymore if the season goes poorly. I don't think he is GM that way. No, but we want like to be fair. I'm not, it's not a panic situation. But if, you're going to take someone at 11, you want him to contribute and play very soon too. I think he will, though. Yeah. Well, also, because invariably, it's the Jets. They're going to

lose like two linemen, you know. That has been the way. I would be very surprised we don't see Olu on the field this year. You got to come up with a nickname for him. Olu Foshana. I mean, Olu's a good name. Pretty good. So, yes, Bo Nix. So he is

the sixth quarterback off the board in 12 picks to the Denver Broncos. Greg, what were your thoughts about this selection? Sean Payton seemed to be pretty happy with himself in the war room after went down 24 years old. Auburn transfer to Oregon. And now he is entering a quarterback room that has Jared Stidham that has Zach Wilson. And now Bo Nix, who I would imagine is going to be playing very soon.

I want to get into Nix, but as you mentioned, like being proud of himself in the in the war room. This is the first draft I've ever watched partially. with Emika, my wife, along with Walker, you know, she was there, just coming in and out. But she's like, why are they so proud of themselves when they, like, make a decision? It's like, oh, you know, like, she really cracked up about that they're all, like, high-fiving. There is something awkward to an outsider of, like, hey, we just called in the pick, and then, like, 15 different guys are, like, high-fiving each other. There is something.

I mean, they've been working on it for months, though. I mean, but also they're all in the cusp of probably, like, separations and divorces. Hey, we did it. We just called it a name. That is that moment. And you could tell Emika, I said that, I'm sure she'll be thrilled to hear me mansplained. She has never listened to the show and we'll start now. That's the culmination of months and months.

Of hard work, Dan. Of grinding. Right. That was my answer. And we appreciate that. That's my answer. She was like, oh, you beat the 10 minute clock to make a phone call. I was like, okay, that's fair.

I don't love what I've heard from Sean Pate afterwards. It almost sounds like, in all. all these little leaks coming out. And Sean Pate. He's coming after Peyton. I love it. Well, it's just like. What is it now?

What did he do? Nothing. Just that they're so high on Bo Nix and they're just leaking all this stuff. Of course they're going to say they're high on Bodex. They just drafted him with the 12th overall pick. Of course. But no one thought he was a special enough player to go in the first round. And so I said he gave me Jake Locker Christian Ponder vibes.

And it wasn't because of his playing style at all. Maybe Ponder. It wasn't because of his playing style. It's just like it's the end of the. quarterback run. We have to get a quarterback. We can't wait any longer. That's fair. Let's take the last one before we feel like there's a drop. The one thing I do

like about him, he had 3,724 college snaps. That's more than like Burroughs had in the NFL. And it's like he did transferred and had like two totally different types of playing styles. Like it he was a better, different, more accurate type quarterback at Oregon. But I'm with you. I mean, that whole thing where it's like this guy

played a ton of snaps in college. It doesn't do for me. Sixty one. career starts. That is, so then there's like Achilles Smith who had 12 starts and went like second overall or something and flamed out. Like I think, I think having more tape on a quarterback is a good thing. I don't know, but odds are the six quarterback off the board in the first round is problematic. He, look, his like super high tier comp was, was breeze that he's just like a point guard,

a quick decision maker. And who coached Drew. But also sort of an Alex Smith too. Right. And Peyton is such a good coach. His quarterbacks always have good numbers, always are pretty efficient. Like, he's going to make it work well. It's just with the 12th overall pick, you're taking a quarterback.

You want someone that can maybe make all the throws. And that has shown an ability to withstand pressure. That was a thing watching him. He didn't face a lot of pressure when he was at Oregon, but when he did, he had like no answer for it. Well, he also had 45 touchdowns, three picks last season. season and a 77.4 completion percentage. So it's not, some of these guys, like, well, we hope they can be accurate as a pro. We love their arm and all this stuff.

It's like, I think this is a Sean Payton type guy. Like, so that's, I can understand. I don't think it's all false PR that, that I know that anything that comes out of Sean Payton's mouth, Greg, is Ann Amica apparently, are going to disagree with or Sean, but it's like he can work with this guy. He wasn't coming on Sean Peyton specifically. It was a different war room. But he actually admitted after, too, that he's like, well, I may.

have been directly responsible for making people think that we were going to trade up. So he was bragging afterwards how he like, I mean, I verbalize that like 12 times. It's almost like Sean Payton has an exceedingly high opinion of himself. I just get this feeling. Anybody else get that feeling? There is a, there is

an energy. All right. I'm going to do the next five picks and jump in with anything on any of them. Okay. So you got Brock Bowers, the tight end, going to the Raiders. So they find their Darren Waller replacement. Look at it that way. It's a hyperathletic playmaker, maybe not a high end blocker. The Saints

draft a tackle. I'm not going to get this one. Talisi Fuaga at Oregon State. And then at number 15, the Colts say, you know what? We're going to end the streak and we're going to take a defensive player. So they take Latu Latu defensive end at UCLA. So you get high value there as the first defensive player off the board in the middle of the first round. This was an outlier, obviously. And the Seahawks take Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle

out of Texas. So there is 13 through 16. So Bowers going to the Raiders was fascinating. No one had that happening. I love it because they just need more weapons. But the reason no one had it happening is because they just took Michael Mayer last year. There's just like a high second round.

That's right. But it was a different regime. And I'm with that. First of all, Bowers is a whole other level of athletic. You could make two tight ends work. Absolutely. Right. You want to.

And mayor is a little bit more of the, the in line. tight end who can also catch some passes but isn't going to be going for like a thousand yards and Bowers could be that guy and you just can't you can't make decisions based on what the last GM did like like oh he took mayor

so I can't take him if you think Bowers is the best guy and a lot of teams probably at that point is good value especially the last Raiders GM but now generally but from like a Raiders fan perspective last year used the first round pick on a tight end you weren't second high second on a tight end like was his ceiling here like inline blocker who has 600 yards in a season like right it doesn't sound like

a team that's you know but that's the risk when you blow things up and the regimes change it leads to it's great news for gardner minchu because it's like you're now you're starting it's your team at this point but i i will say the one pick i think it's not great news for devante adams but yeah no you're right but if if you're mike macdonald i just watch what he did with so many Ravens players on defense last year. I didn't know what the Seahawks were going to do in this. I kind of thought they might go for quarterback. But Byron Murphy, to me, I loved watching him.

And I think Mike McDonald is going to get something out of Byron Murphy right away. It wasn't like it was the biggest need on the play at other needs. But like, I love it. I think it's a Seattle Seahawks type player. Right. And the Saints pick, they kind of had to make it. This has been bubbling around, but Ian reported how Ryan Ramcheck might be

retiring. So I talked about how they blew their left tackle pick a couple of years ago, Trevor Penny, who can't get on the field. So they needed a left tackle. They also needed a right tackle. So they just had to take a tackle, and they took the guy who's, like, most fun to watch and like a brawler type, which is very saint-y. And I will say, I have to lot to, like, his past rushing was I'm pumped for him as a pro,

him and my guy Newton were my two favorite defensive players in the draft. Only one of them got drafted tonight, though. We'll talk about that on Saturday. Yikes. But little Susie ain't getting the braces this summer. Not this summer. Maybe next summer. Don't count on it.

Old Bucktooth, Susie. It gets tougher and tougher to correct teeth with braces as you age. Got to keep her in the dark. Hey, I didn't make you guys follow me, but I did get a tweet from Ta-Hutch 76. Rainmaker blanked me again. All right. stick a pin in that uh defensive run the third defensive player in the row so in a row because the vikings they uh make more moves they try yes great no go ahead pointing at me now i just want to jump in

on the vikings okay i just let me get it out minnesota vying via trade from the jaguars get dallas turner outside linebacker from alabama that uh nice value pick there greggie it was you know what he i had a harder to time with him, but he's a great, a lot of people had him as the top edge rusher, DJ had him, like great value to get up there. But they gave up, you know, a three and a four to move up five spots. And it did make me think about them. Maybe not a value pick. They've just been building this team up for three years now, even though they have like a new quarterback that it felt like this was a little bit of go time for Questi. They've been accumulating picks. They've

taken a lot of different guys. And it was like, we got to start getting our guys and we got to kind of push our chips in the table. We got to be a little better this year to help out our rookie quarterback and Sam Darnold on the defensive side. So they're kind of taking a swing here by giving up all those picks just to move up five spots. That was expensive. It was a fit

along with switching first. It was a fifth this year and a third and a fourth next season. Now, Mark, I don't put it, like I don't get too jazzed up about guys that play a million snaps in college. But I do get nervous when guys hardly playing.

college. Right. And so the Bengals and a lot of people saw this coming. Mark, I think you had Cincinnati going for the offensive line in your Mark draft. Yeah, not this guy. Uh, Amarius Mims out of Georgia who's got everything you could want out of a tackle in terms of size and athleticism, but this man made eight starts in college. So that is, uh, obviously you are, you're looking at his traits and you're saying this, this is an NFL player, but you barely saw him college but the tape and and his testing was enough for the Cincinnati to say maybe we have something special here that's that seems like a roll of the dice at 18 yeah I'm with you I like I think like you know injury history and durability matter like he allowed one QB hurry on 297 snaps

last year and he I don't know um I think that if you read the positive traits the bengals are hoping traits are great I mean because he's shown those things it's not like they're guessing that he has them. It's just that he wasn't around. 6-8, though. They have a type. Their three tackles right now are Orlando Brown, one of the largest humans ever created.

Trent Brown, one of the largest humans ever created. With a baby face. Now, Ameris Mims, who a lot of people, the people that are super into tackles and the draft, they're thinking he's the most fascinating guy in the draft, the boomer bust guy in the draft, could be a total top five talent and total, who knows.

But they have a good development. Six, seven, 340, gifted with size and athleticism, McKaybeckton. Like, it can go both ways with those giants. Yeah, but what do you want him to be 5-9, 180? No, I want him to be exactly 6-6-3-18.

And then I'm totally fondly to pick. You asked. Well, I mean... Point, Mark. Thank you. You don't even make a point. Be on the field a little more. Yeah, I guess that's what you want. That's the question. What was the point that you don't want him to be small?

I thought I made it. I thought I made a point that I think if you're listening to this, you're thinking that was that I took Dan in a different direction there. Um, wheeled them around a little bit. The Rams at 19 finally pick. This one was fun. I enjoyed this on the, you love the pick. I love the player. Okay. I love this. All right. So Jared verse is, uh, very talented defensive end. A lot of people say, oh, maybe the best pure pass rusher and all that. However, I'm, you know, enough enough. However, I loved this from Charles Davis, who while Jared versus, you know, off the board and it's this big moment in his life, here's Charles Davis asking the questions I need

to be asked. I talked with a top level NFL scout former GM and he said that, hey, this kid had had the reputation of being, you know, kind of a you know what. So I asked him point blank, are you a new, you know what Jared versus? And he said, I am on the practice field and on the game field. The rest of time, I'm an okay guy. He knows how to turn it on. Just like Charles David, so you're an ass.

Like, be honest. You're an ass shit. I love it. I don't know if I saw anyone, like, on the defensive side of the ball that made me more interested in this player. Charles was kind of working blue tonight because he also tried to quote, why am I forgetting his name, Brian Cox's character in succession, F off during the telecast.

Davis was out there today. I like that. I like that version of him. I love that Charles Davis. Sorry. Jared versus. You were very excited. You love that Jared versus. Like, you know, the way he rushes the pastor, like, I mentioned on that other show, watching him just like take, you know, these 6-6, 340-pound guys and just like smashing them into the quarterback and they both fall to the ground.

Like Toy Soldiers. It's like, this guy like makes the Rams. I mean, it was a need for them too. But it's like it is someone that can come in and like punish people in the NFC West. I kind of love him the way he plays. So nice team. I love him. with Byron Young.

It's kind of the total opposite. You have the bend the edge, speed, edge rusher, and then you have the big, strong, maybe set the edge a little better in the run defense with Jared Verst. So they're a nice little team. And if he's a little bit of a butt head, hopefully he could deal with it.

You know what I mean? You said he's a good guy off. He'd claim. He said he was. Yeah. Well, how would you, how would anyone describe themselves? Well, if it got to the point where, like, a lot of the chatter was like, you know,

this guy kind of sucks a little bit. He seemed to have a very nice, loving family setup. He had a heartwarm. I'm not saying it. I don't know anything about the man. I'm just saying it had reached a level that Charles Davis brought it up to a national audience minutes, seconds after he was taken. And then it was so important to Charles, CD, that he asked the man himself if he was an a hole. The reporting hit a tipping point and he had to, you know, ask the question that needed to be asked to get that.

Do you want him to be, I don't want to be too friendly. So my curiosity is peaked. Like, what is going on for that to be, like, a main storyline from one of the top college analysts seconds after. Eric, can you put in a request for Jared Verst when we go to rammed spinning camp? What a great point, Dan. Give me a ding. Give me something. Nobody's asking these questions.

Well, Charles Davis is. You got a bully for a ding. It's not worth it. It's handed out dings and grades points to Sessler. He's not even making points. Why do you need to turn into this person during this, during what? what has been a, you know, a relatively well-natured show. You're asking for praise and sound clips and all this stuff.

You know what I... Can you get out of the show without endless praise? Can you get out of this show without endless praise aimed at you? Do you know? Do you know? I don't know. It seems absurd. Do you know what you think I'm being right now?

You're being... You're being... Write it back around. I don't know if I'd go there. I just brought a background on you. He did bring it back around. You got it, man. I like it.

All right, let's take a break. And let's finish round one. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else.

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We are at pick 20. Let's hit the rest of the first round now. the Pittsburgh Steelers they go to their offensive line adding help there with Troy Fattanoe from Washington so interior is that the first guard off the board Interior alignment

I you know they're listing him that way but he he was fantastic at tackle and could be playing there like a lot of these offensive linemen actually Graham Martin coming up too could play multiple positions but I have a feeling they will try him at tackle he's incredibly yeah pf called him labeled them as the most versatile alignment of any of them

so that's you know multi position diverse and the best overall athlete of all the linemen it's saying it looked more like a tight end it's excellent to have yeah the alignment that could play all over uh now the dolphins they go defense they take chop robinson uh edge at a Penn state and uh that is a move you know some people thought greggie maybe the dolphins would take a burner and just go totally hog while on their offense, but they do address their defense, which seems to make sense. Well, I thought they might go. Your guy. Newton

there. That was where it started to feel like this might not work out for me. It was a big need because Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips, just bad luck are coming off massive injuries. Both of them might not be ready for the start of the season. So you could be starting or certainly asking

Chop Robinson to play a lot of snap. Shaq Bear is on that roster, too, quiet signing by them. And they were like, their pass rushing fell apart at the end of last season. I like to pick for them. I thought that like Chop Robinson was interesting to watch. I thought Xavier Worthy there would have been

fascinating, but he landed in a pretty fascinating place. I thought it was, I thought it was weird and that you don't usually see this. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who said that Chop Robinson, his nickname of Chop, is because of like the choppy steps he takes. He's known for like,

that's the way he kind of moves. And that's one of the things that perhaps they want to coach out of him. So you want to coach out the thing that his actual, like his nickname? Wow. Yeah. I don't like that. I didn't like that at all.

Old regular steps Robinson. Yeah, that's troubling. Anyway, let's move to the Eagles who have done it again. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, as you heard, you heard it here first that the Eagles won the draft night one with Quinion Mitchell at a Toledo cornerback, high value. and I was seeing it everywhere, but let's call this one up. I saw this.

Quinion Mitchell electrifies Eagles fans at number 22, comma, heist of the 2024 NFL draft. So rest easy, everyone. The sheep are still herded together. Oh, don't be so mad. The old trope of, guess what? All the smart people say the Eagles do everything right.

So I will say that immediately on instinct. and then I'll be amongst the safe people. Well, this bit must be, this is all in your head, this bit must be really resonating because after this pick, and of course I complimented something about the Eagles, everyone's like, is that going to be okay with Dan?

Hey, all we heard all week is like, there's no chance Howie Roseman's sticking and pick and he's got to trade up and trade up. But Howie's so far ahead of the rest of the league, he knew somehow that he was going to have his pick of any cornerback in the draft, his number one need. So we think alike after all these podcasts together, Dan. I also collected some reaction to the Eagles picks.

We have a series of tweets. I love it for the Eagles. Doug Farrar, what grade is higher than an A-plus? You need a higher than A-plus. There is nothing higher than an A-plus. Lindsay Rhodes, our great friend, I like Lindsay. It would be fun to be an Eagles fan on Drafton.

Every pick just feels perfect. Always-in-law. No, what are you talking? We got one more. We got one more. This was my favorite one. Howie can't keep getting away with this. I think Dan's point's been made.

Howie, motherfucker. It's a perfect, it looks like a great pick. I'm just saying it is a good way. People in our industry tend to want to gravitate toward who are the thought leaders on social media. And they know that the Eagles are very popular amongst those people. You're over-thinking it. And so they'll just say, oh, let me immediately get my takeout. there. My little keyboard. Yeah, get my little keyboard out there. I'll get my take out there and I'll

align with the smart people and then people think, I'm, I think, I think, I think all these people have the same opinion. It happened all the time. I think Dan is absolutely on to something. And they're like, and Roseman got going early. They signed A.J. Brown to a three year deal right after the Devante Smith thing, which I thought cleared up what could have been an offseason, you know, drama. Drama gone. Howie Roseman. What do you get, what great to give that? A plus plus. It was that was like a sneaky big contract. There was by far the biggest. gave a huge contract to a wide receiver. $84 million guarantee.

Right. If 32 a year in new money, which is easily the most, and we'll have to look at all the details and stuff. But this is setting the bar. I think these these wide receiver contracts are going to get crazy. Everyone's trying to get in before Jefferson because the Amon Ross same Brown contract. We never hit that on this on the pod just because of the timing. But both him and Penae Sewell got monster deals from the Lions. Classy moved by the Lions.

They give their stars huge contracts way before the draft. and then they bring them out to introduce the draft along with Megatron and Eminem and that should be a tradition obviously pretty good sense of the moment every team the moment every team that's hosting should do that with their here their legends because it's a great moment for them and the fans that are there for 10 hours all kidding aside I think it's a perfectly good pick for the Eagles they do know what they're doing and I did I think it left me uh I felt a little I felt a little bad quite honestly about I don't want to be in a like a blood feud with Philadelphia because I I don't have any issues with Philadelphia apparently not I really don't

about those Sixers Nick series going on that that's great and that's fun and the Sixers got off the mat tonight so good job by them but um so there's a there's I guess that's a rivalry but I'm not a Mets fan so like the Phillies don't bother me and I'm not a Giants fan contrary to popular belief by people who listen to the show. So I don't have an eagle's hatred. In fact, I'm going to share some things I like about Philadelphia. Oh, wow. Let's take a brief aside here.

Hall and oats. Love haul and oats. How about cheese steaks with the cheese whiz? Mark can't wait until Are both Hall and Oates? He's like, we're going to be here five more minutes. I give them both. A lot of people say, oh, I only like

haul, not oats. I like them both. from Philly? They're Philly. Yeah, they're Philly for real. Is there a third item? More mark. Okay.

Randall Cunningham's 91-yard punt. Love that. Oh, yeah. Yep. Remember that? I mean, it gets the giant. How about the 90s team, but? How about like that 92-yard throw that touchdown?

Love that too. And I love that move, the Superman dive in the end zone. Love it all, but the 91-yard punt is better. I like Bryce Harper. Speaking of the Phillies, he's a fun guy to watch. I like Questlove. I like The Roots. I got good songs.

I like, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. You're listening to it right now, the theme. Yeah, I mean, that's a Hollywood product, but okay. You know what I like? The Declaration of Independence, bitch. That's American. Where was the sign?

Near that cracked bell. I get it. I like Silver Linings Playbook. Okay. Do you? I do. I love that movie, actually. Even though Bradley Cooper's in it.

Yeah, I feel like that one of the main star you seem to dislike. I love several of the M. Night Shyamalan films. What, I'm fine. Several of them. And most of all, I love Colleen Wolf. So, okay. Put it all together, and it's not all bad.

So I want to make peace with Philly. If you want, we could bury the hatchet here tonight. I think Greg and I are watching you evolve before our eyes on this episode of the podcast. If you watch us on YouTube, you should check that out. We'll have it up. You'll see Brian Baldinger was there with, with Colleen also from Philly.

Yeah, Paul lives in Philly. But I did notice you didn't mention, you know, Gonso. Oh, I love Gonson. John? I think it goes without saying. I mean, I could sit here all day just naming every person I've ever met from people. Well, right, but he's the husband of the, you know, the woman. This is very... It's very Greg.

But, yes, John, too. Okay. I didn't want to leave now. Greg's like, let me not get out of this segment without some feud being created between you and someone's husband. All right. Let's move on. the Jacksonville Jaguars. Oh, I love this one. This one, uh, this is via a trade with Minnesota through Cleveland from Houston. Hey, Brian Thomas, the wide receiver out of LSU.

And the writing, this would have been, I feel like an easy sandwich, Greg, uh, if anybody threw it out there because they, they badly wanted Calvin Ridley back and they thought it was in the bag. And then, uh, they ended up getting losing him because another team blew him out of the water. So now they replaced Calvin Ridley, and that was a need. If a different team made this trade, everyone would be like, oh, they did it again. Like,

Trent Balke played the board perfectly. This is not typically what the Jaguars did, but they were at 17 overall, where I thought Brian Thomas, Jr. Would have, or could have been the pick there. They also could have taken a cornerback certainly. But I thought they, I love Thomas. People just don't move like

him. He reminds me a little bit of D.K. Meckoff, just in the, not like he's as big as is physical. He's more of just a burner and smooth, but just like he has one skill set that is just so exceptional that he can learn the rest as they go. And so they move back six spots.

They got all those picks. We talked about that the Vikings gave up a third and a fourth next year. And I think really added some juice to that offense. That is a speedy offense with ETN, Gabe Davis, and Brian Thomas. And I mean,

if you look at their wide out room, Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Gabe Davis and Evan Ingram at tight end, like this is a, there's a lot. going on here in terms of right speed downfield speed and Thomas is a deep ball threat did you guys

see the Jaguars war room at this time yes that was good pretty tough Tony Khan who's been on the show he's the son of Shad Khan and he's a you know a big figure obviously with the Jaguars and I believe he owns a wrestling yeah he was like

all lead wrestling I believe this like in the last couple days was body slammed we have a wrestling event he got pilot driven yeah uh into the ground uh and listen wrestling is scripted but the guys take real bumps and tony con takes a bump that requires them to wear a neck brace and i just have like a take here neck braces in general they're rough like you like no one looks good in a neck brace there's something truly vulnerable about being stuck in a neck brace the way you're like stiff and you

you have no range you're like michael keaton in the first batman like you can't move yeah and you're just eyes are darting around you just don't look very good good. It's tough, tough, bad beat. Come on. Well, how do you have a contrarian take about neck braces? Because it's Kay, it's Kate. What do they call it? Kay Fab or what it? Like, he's playing it up. It's a wink, wink to the whole wrestling community.

Yeah. Of course. It's a bit. He got, no. It's wrestling. He's making it real. He's making it real. I would say if you, in that everyone loved it. He did seem to be to have full, uh, full motion in the neck. He was struggling with his. I mean, are you, are you, are you telling me that people, don't get injured in wrestling?

Of course they do, but I follow, I guess, enough wrestling fans on Twitter that were just going nuts that, like, he took it this far, that he actually, they were like, basically people were begging and hoping he would wear the neck brace to the thing, because he's not really, he's not really hurt. And he did it. He did it. And he did it last night on, no one would do it such a thing. He did it last day on national TV to set it up.

He's one step ahead of you. He's promoting the EW. Yeah, his injury is one step ahead of the draft. I think he wants to be on national television and a neck brace Yes Yeah I think it's a bit of a weird talking about it It's an act

Yes I'm just saying it's a tough It's tough You're not wrong about the look The neck brace Have you ever watch wrestling in your life Yeah you watch Injuries happen

Injuries happen I know but in this case How can you be so sure Because he like you be so sure Because he owns the company And they set it up That happened He was he actually pile driven

Yes And then they Is it possibly could have hurt his neck taking the pile driver. You'd have to say it's possible. I will defer to all the wrestling enthusiasts that are into it night after night who all acknowledged and embraced that he's having

some fun here. I love that they could let you. Greg, Greg, like any, on any pocket of Twitter, Greg is one of the largest followers of every pocket on Twitter. I'm just saying, Dan's got a terrible take. Greg has never mentioned wrestling once on this show, but he is also one of the largest Twitter followers. of wrestling fanatics there is apparently.

Breaking news, Greg knows everything. But there's no question, you're wrong in this case. No question. It's impossible. Wait, what's breaking news? That he, well, yeah. That you're wrong?

Oh, yeah. That's impossible. No. All the time. But in this case, you're wrong. But how do you know? I'm just curious like you must know.

Because it's... I wouldn't this happen. I sort of was like, he did it. Like, it's an amazing, that's an amazing marketing bit that you set up. It is good marketing because it does. Set up your national TV appearance the night before. I think he turned, put it this way. I think he turned lemons into lemonade.

I think he got dinged in a big spot. I think you're, you're trying to save. Amarius Mims is like, could they have spent seven minutes on, on my, on the greatest day of my adulthood? The Lions via trade with the Dallas Cowboys, take Terry and Arnold, the cornerback out of Alabama. The Packers take offensive tackle Jordan Morgan out of Arizona. The Bucks select Graham Barton tackle at a Duke,

a center that apparently the Cowboys wanted a piece of and don't get them. And the Cardinals via the Houston Texans, they had that extra first round pick from their trade. Last year, take Darius Robinson defensive end at a Missouri. Thoughts? I think for Detroit, they were fortunate, as were, you know, a number of teams that the cornerback run came late. That, that this really was sort of the final position that Detroit needed to address.

And Terry and Arnold falls into your lap. He's from Alabama. You know he can play. And you added Carlton Davis in the offseason. You've got Brian Branch. Suddenly it looks like a strength. If Arnold works out, you've got a strength. He was probably the safest cornerback in the draft just because he's from Alabama.

He's a lion's type of guy. And then to see him come out and the crowd just go crazy for him. And he was, like, ready for that moment and, like, embraced it and said, I'm home. I'm home. I just want to say Detroit. Y'all got a start, man. Hey. Hey, I'm home, man.

I'm home. That's awesome. Well, I dig that. All right. Let's stop down right here. Take a quick break. And we'll be back with more of round one. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how. how teams put it all together on game day.

Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it.

Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, we're back. Number 28, the Kansas City Chiefs. They move up. They trade up.

They trade up for a wide receiver. Does that sound familiar? We'll talk about it on Saturday. And they take Xavier Worthy. And there's a lot of reasons to be excited about this pick because that is the same Xavier Worthy that ran a 4.21 at the Combine setting the record at that event for speed.

He's undersized Mark Sessler. However, the chiefs have been missing this element of their offense since Tyreek Hill was traded. And we will not go into a new season in Kansas City being like they haven't added something new and exciting. This, whether it works or not, whether his, as an undersized receiver, he's able to translate at

165 pounds, a buck 65. We'll see. But this is an exciting idea. Yes, and they went for it and he's getting to Sean Jackson comps and you added Hollywood Brown. So they've addressed it. And I think the one of the

more fascinating, for me, unpredictable turns in this draft post Pennix Jr. is that the bills allowed the chiefs to trade into their spot when they also needed a wide receiver and we'll get to what they didn't do later. But the chiefs of all teams to trade with allow to come into that space and take a guy that amps up their offense. I don't know. You know what? Just because it's the Bills, I guess it could have been anyone. It just

seems to me if you're a Bills fan, you're like, excuse me, you did what? Where now, today? With the chiefs. Well, let's ask Eric the producer. Eric, where you at? Um, yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, yeah, it's definitely the situations, you don't do with the chiefs. It's, they might as well be in your division. It's like, it's even worse. I think it's worse. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, I mean, the jets haven't ripped our heart out, you know, every year. No, like they're the ones that won't let you go to a Super Bowl. You're on the blacklist. Yeah. And then you give them, you know, a speedster that we're probably going to give you a Tyree kill flashbacks. And, and yeah, and then like Mark alluded to, they, you know, eventually trade themselves out of them first round entirely and don't address anything.

It was a weird day. I hear that, but, like, if the value was good and it didn't get that much, actually. They just got a move up from the third to the fourth. It's like 27 straight teams didn't want Xavier Worthy. The Bills didn't want Xavier Worthy. Can I argue? Maybe Xavier Worthy would have felt like two or three more picks. I think it'll be a good pick.

One argument, though, Greg, because the way it turns out and the bills will pick, you know, first from all. Two more wide receivers went off the board before they'll pick. again. So it's not just about Xavier Worthy. But maybe, yeah, maybe they... If you're a Bill's fan, you're like, what are we the AFC's Cowboys this offseason? What are we doing? But there are a million more... Like, Adi Mitchell, who is a lot of people's

wide receiver four or five, is still there and was commonly mocked to the bills, including I think by you, Mark, because I think that was the one pick you and Walker had the same. And they could still take them there at 33. I do think Worthy, though, is going to end up being a big part of our lives because he's with

the Chiefs. And he's, he's He's not John Ross. He's not Henry Ruggs to me. Like, he's a great route runner. Like, he has real, like, lateral movement skills. Now, can he survive, like, at that weight? That is a larger question. But he was on a team with another guy who's going to get taken very early tomorrow,

A.D. Mitchell. And, like, Xavier Worthy was clearly the one. And his speed just sort of made defenses have to approach them completely different. And I think he's going to be a weapon. the Dallas Cowboys that pick 29 they want to make that splash this season but it just nothing seems to be going their way they they do end up with Tyler Guyton who is a very big very physical very fast and athletically gifted tackle prospect out of Oklahoma but another guy like Mims so we're talking about only 15 college starts he's seen as a raw prospect

and for a team that's very much all in now there's a little bit of a gamble here that you can you get him up to speed and have him be a contributor right now, especially within a hole on the line after Tyrant Smith. Now, supposedly they really wanted a tackle, and Graham Barton was a tackle in college, but some people see him more as a center, an interior lineman in the pros. But like, that was like our guy, Nate Tice, one of his very favorite players in the draft thought he's being way overlooked, like a top 15 player just going to be as safe a pick as you could possibly have, a guy that can play right away.

and they end up trading out of that pick when people thought they might take them, maybe hoping he'd fall to 29, and instead they get a guy who kind of looks like a project and they need guys to play right away. And Guyton is supposed to be one of those guys that might need a year or two to develop.

I like what the Cardinals did too, by the way, Darius Robinson, but back to Graham Barton. I think Graham Barton is, the Bucks took him, is one of the more intriguing linemen in this entire draft. And we talked about him a couple shows ago can play all over the place. I think that's the steal for the bucks.

I thought he was going to go to Philadelphia if they didn't go cornerback. Jason Light's been, I think he good, remaking their offensive line. And the picks don't always look good like the first year, like Godacchi didn't look great the first year, then it looks pretty good a year or two later. He's done a nice job. The Ravens take Nate Wiggins, the cornerback at Clemson. The Niners take Ricky Pearsall,

the wide receiver out of Florida. That sounds a very spicy potential. in that offense and you know more questions about what's the future in that wide receiver room because you're just adding another big time player or first round pick and you already have debo samuel there still have obviously have brand and iuk there's still room for him all greggie but just something to keep an eye on and the panthers then they have the first pick of the second round but they say no we want to get into the first round so they trade with the bills who trade out of the first round entirely uh and uh they take

Xavier Leggett wide receiver out of South Carolina the final wide receiver taken tons of wide receiver seven in the first round thoughts well the pierceal pick I was really keeping an eye on when that

went on the board because earlier in the day Tom Curran put out there on one of his shows just talking that the Patriots have been working on an IUC trade that it's not it's not definitive but when the 49ers get on the

keep an eye if they take a wide receiver, then we might be talking a lot on Friday whether the Patriots end up trading that number 34 overall pick. They have the number two pick in the second round as part of a Brandon Ayuk trade. John Lynch, you know, laughed it off a little bit. They asked them about a press conference Thursday night saying, why are we always the ones that, you know,

people are talking about with trades, which is not a denial. And it wasn't as specific, but Mike Silver and Diani Rossini separately reported on Thursday that the 49ers had been offering IUC and or Debo Samniel in different trades. They said maybe trying to get way up in the draft,

like trying to get to the top 10. That clearly didn't happen. That was before the draft, but it really makes it sound like they're open to trading. Man, if the Patriots could get that, do that. I thought that it certainly seems strong that they were trying to get up into the first round

to make a move to get a different type a wide receiver somewhere else if they're going to trade one of those guys. But throwing Debo in there, that kind of threw me for a loop, that they're both available. I don't think they're both available, but one or the other is available. That is pretty wild. And that would be a salary cap as a real trade if they traded Ayuk for the 32nd or the 34th overall pick that they thought whoever was on the board would be worth it. Piercel is more of like a vertical slot guy.

You know, got a lot of pop from Harmon on our wide receiver. He sure did. He's a 24-year-old rookie, but I don't, you know, again, get him for four years. Well, college football, and now it's going to kind of end. It's so weird with the COVID-year thing. Right. We got a lot of older rookies. Jaden Daniels was once throwing to Ricky Pearsall at Arizona State.

Okay, that's not that crazy. Sure. And Brandon Ayuk. It's like, what? Brandon Ayuk's been in the NFL and feels like for a long time. Jaden Daniels was throwing to, I don't know. And also Steve Smith, Steve Smith, senior. He threw to him too.

And none of them on the team that you associate them with. It was Herm Edwards' Arizona State team. All right. There you go. That's the first 32. Why don't we check in, Mark? You had your Mock Sessler, Mark draft. What were the results?

Let's bring it up. What do we got here? All right. So you're going three for three out of the gate. I think pretty much everybody did. You got Bow Nix to the Broncos. nice you had him at 27 just for everyone listening we also have a and he went 12 i believe but we're giving you that obviously and neighbors giants malik neighbors to the new york and also we got the saints

pick there oh you got talese fogga to the saints that's nice but overall humdrum let's be honest sort of a failure so you got not up to my standards one two three you got five out of 32 is that six six because you got j j j mccarthy it was a later pick but that counts One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. I see what you guys are trying to do. Seven. Four, plus one, plus one, plus one is seven. Seven.

Wait, I still don't see the seven. Because you're colorblind. I'm not making fun of you. You told us that. The one in the middle, the Saints one, looks like the other ones because it's Saints colors. But it's like, the top four, then the Giants, that's five. Then in the middle column.

That's the Saints. That's number six. And the bright orange Broncos, Bo Necks is seven. This is great podcast. 25, can we keep in mind that one of the co-hosts is a killer blind? That was not the issue. Just the tough

addition. So 7 out of 32, I feel like that's probably around industry average, I would guess. I mean, I think some stuff, you know, I had also for the show, and it's not, if you, if I had like, like, you know, with a gun in my head, I had like 18 trades in the first round and a lot of that

stuff just did not happen. I thought Mark was going to sneak in one with Buffalo with Mitchell in the last couple picks. I thought I was going to sneak in one more. Yeah, but the bills are like we're we're determined to win six games they ruined my niece's night she she watched the draft for the first time new buffalo fan or new to understand what's going on well they're giving her a heads up of what to expect over the next 80 years all night got a video also you taped it Wednesday it's pretty you know relatively early on uh there's some last minute reporting that you probably would have changed it's kind of cheating the people that put

out the mock draft after the last second report yeah and I refuse to do that I don't see a lot of And you know what? You absolutely destroyed my son Walker, Rosenthal. I mean... Like on the tennis courts with children. Well, I wasn't... That wasn't my main goal, but how did you do? He could not have done worse, you know, kind of chicken scratches.

I love that he's so committed to his mock draft. He would not let me take it in or even write on it, but I did take a picture and highlight. He got two picks right. He got Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison, right? And that's it. Now, he made this two weeks ago. So that was especially early. Wait, he should have done a 2.0.

He didn't want to. I'm surprised he didn't want to. He loves this stuff. Well, he was doing, he was doing mock draft simulators just on like websites over and over repeatedly, but that was his one. Not a lot of nine-year-olds are getting any of these rights. So who knows to maybe this, I think you can, and I'm sure you did let him know because he did disappoint you.

I know. But that doing a final mock draft two weeks before. is putting you way behind the eight ball. That's a good point. When your competitor did it the day before the draft. I admired tonight. He was taking notes and he was writing all the picks as they were happening with he loves it.

He is a certified young super fan. That's what the NFL craves. They are craving what he's offering. All right. We hope you craved what we had to offer on today's episode. We will be back on Saturday. So Friday, we're going to let it all soak in round two and three. And then Saturday, 45, 6, 7, we will be recording that afternoon here from Los Angeles

and have something up for you shortly after the draft wraps up. And that's it. That's a good rundown of round one, I feel like. I would agree. I'd agree. What we needed to do. Yeah. Someone's got to take our guy Cooper to Jean, whatever happened to him.

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