NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2024 NFL Draft Winners and Losers

Episode Date: April 28, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap the final days of the draft. Our heroes start begin going over their winners and losers with the Washington Commandeers (2:30), they then take a look at some of the losers (12:10). We do a Winners speed round (56:01). And we find out who owes who lunch (1:10:00). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're just going to really kind of put this draft to bed. And then we are on some level set free until training camp. Yeah, it's interesting because I think day three of the draft is it's a long haul. But I was thinking today as we were creeping from the six round into the seventh that back in the days in old Culver in the old newsroom when the four of us would be together in our cube farm waiting for it to end that the minute the show would end, And, you know, West would lead the way out of the newsroom to a local tavern somewhere in Culver City, downtown Culver, and we would... Typical it would be Rockos. It was often. And like, we would sell, or the cozy, but we would celebrate what you're just mentioning,

that this is a pivot point, a turning point in what is an offseason that barely exists until now. I don't know, Dan, you know, we got around the AFC and NFC coming up this week. We got projected starter series is coming back. You know exactly what I mean. And I love it. I do love the feeling. And I can feel it on day two once you start seeing these rosters because after day two, it's guys you're not expecting to play much. Kind of get filled in. You have enough of your answers. And it's like, okay, now we've kind of got the talking points. We've got the teams that we're going to be talking about. And I'm ready to go.

And yeah, of course. The show will continue throughout the rest of the spring and into the summer. And we're going to have a lot of fun. But in terms of like what's coming up, what lies ahead? The draft was kind of the end of the beginning of the end. That sounds right. And now we're going to talk about it. And we kind of have a tradition on this Saturday show. We do it winners and losers style. So why do we get it going?

And Greg, why don't you get us started? Okay. I'm going to start with the Washington commanders who, I don't know if we gave full, like, throated enthusiasm because we knew Jaden Daniels was going to be the pick there at two. and it is a really exciting time for their franchise to totally restart with a quarterback that that's that exciting.

And then you look at what they did on day two of the draft and you had so many picks. And you know I was going to make the first winner, the team that finally stopped the slide of my boy, Johnny Newton, who, yeah, maybe he fell because of that foot surgery. But I think they got a great, great value. He's going to be ready, apparently, for the offseason at 36. They get another player who I think can play right away

in the slot cornerback from Michigan. like Santa still. And again, it's a reminder they loaded up on draft picks. I'm not going to pretend I have like a ton of hot takes for their other third and fourth round picks. They get a blocking tight end in the second round, but a bunch of day two picks. And you remember, oh yeah, they gave up Chase Young. They gave up Montes sweat. Their owner, Josh Harris, kind of stepped in with the idea of like this season with Ron Rivera is unimportant. Everything is about the future. They have a ton of day one and two picks. Jaden Daniels is going to be exciting. I love these second round picks. And it's just like a lot of young guys. It's a nice start. And I think the idea that they had

of trading sweat and young, it made sense for that team ultimately. And they're going to bear the fruits of it after this draft. I love that you went here first. I'm totally with you. And, you know, Mike Sanders still, the nickelback, like they, Nick Saban called him pound for pound the best football player in the entire draft. I mean, and that's not someone that's going to heap false praise on someone. They got Newton. It definitely comes down to how Jaden Daniels winds up. But I thought it was a big victory for Adam Peters, the GM, too, because, you know, this is a team that's been in chaos and in the abyss for a long time. And he did a number of interviews. He was willing to go on with like, with Bill Belichick and friends on ESPN and, you know, others

beyond that. And I thought he laid out to plan well. You get a sense. Because I think when you're a fan, we're in a savier time, we're like, you want to know that your GM is not a headcase. And like, he came across as someone with a clear direction, and that's something this team's been missing for a long time. They feel like a completely different team. I think when you come out of the off-season process, whether it's free agency and the draft, and you feel like, wait a minute,

this is a completely different experience. That's a victory, at least emotionally for now. Took a third round guard, by the way, but the offensive line still needs some work. So it's a shaky offensive line, and Cliff Kingsbury is your OC. That's the only concerns, but otherwise it's exciting. Those are pretty big concerns.

I think it's good that you added that part of it, But I agree with that you said. In fact, the commanders were going to be my first choice as well. And I was going to then mention Adam Peters because he does also benefit from, you know, we all get sometimes lucky or unlucky in life with timing. He is absolutely a benefactor of some fortuitous timing. And when he gets to the Washington football team, post Dan Snyder, post that messy transition Rivera year, and now they can.

really start this thing up. And it does feel like such a fresh start for the organization. Daniel's the way it all worked out. You know, they feel very excited about him. Maybe he's a little sloppy that week leading up to the draft. But it already feels like an ancient story now about the way they handled the visits near the end. Now he's their quarterback. Newton is a highly regarded guy as a second round pick. They are a team that they're going to be worth watching now. There's been a few teams in the league that have been very hard to watch for many years in a row. And this draft, you come out of it, and the commanders are one of those teams. We're like, okay, this is going to be fun now.

There's a reason when we do our draft on Thursday for games each Sunday, why you're not going to avoid the commanders? And credit to Peters and the organization and Josh Harris, who I don't think is going to walk into any restaurant and take someone else's hat off and tell them what for. I mean, that guy seems to have his act together as well. So good job by the commanders, good job fans. This could be an exciting error for the team about to commence. Yeah, I mean, I think the other team that you'd mentioned, Dan,

and you talk about like snooze fest for years in a row that you just simply avoid unless they were playing like a sexy operation on the other side. The Bears, I mean, they've been a problematic watch for so long. And like I was thinking about like when you go to pro football reference and you look at like a draft from four or five years ago, like either the name is highlighted and bold because they're still active or it's not because they're not playing football anymore. And I really don't care what happened.

They didn't have a lot of picks in this draft. But if you get to a point a couple years from now that Caleb Williams and Roma Dunes, they are still operating for Chicago and doing what you hope they're doing, this is a completely different team. And they have just as much as Washington, but over the course of two off seasons, are completely transformed. And I think Caleb Williams is a big winner. Because there were these floating questions about the millennial nature of him

and all this stuff that I think is garbage that he put to bed, I think, with his own personality. He did a great job right when he was drafted. He seemed so proud to be a quarterback for the Chicago Bears. That's been a long time coming. And you found this wide receiver at number nine that was like, this is ideal. And so I think the combination of them but the rest of the roster, Matt Iberfluse was a largely anonymous coach, two off-season. ago, you're starting to realize, like, this GM and coach together, the whole Chicago Bears

situation looks so much more promising that I put them right there with Washington as a team that you feel completely different about. And it's like, I'll be annoyed if Greg is drafting the Bears, you know, early on in week one or week two next year, because I want to watch them now. And I've not felt that way about the former Mitch Trubisky-led bears in a billion years. So that's, that's new territory for me. It's like, fine. If you're going to put them in prime time five or six times, like they seem to with the Bears every year. Now we get Caleb Williams and Roma Dunezay. I'm with you.

I also like that they had this third round tackle that, like, a lot of times players say they're always a fan with the team growing up. You know, I was always a fan. It's like now in the age of Twitter, you can go and see it. His name is Kieran Amagadje, a tackle from Yale. And they found his tweets just railing the play calling from like four years ago, saying I love watching both our tackles get beat at the same time as like Nick. Mick Foles got rocked.

Our leading rusher is a linebacker for 11 yards. Make the pain stop, please. How come no one can call plays on this team? I just love seeing like now a player on the team can see if he wants to complain about the play calling. But I like their play caller. So winners, commanders, Mark, yours was the Bears. Right?

And you guys are killing me because you've now hit the both ones I was going to talk about. The Bears was almost too obvious. a lead with those two, I think. The Bears, the Bears, like, how could you do better than than they did? So what are you saying that? You're saying that Mark shouldn't have brought it up and no, it was my two. I just being like, you get, anyone is getting too cute mentioning teams before the Bears. Maybe I was too cute even. It's like, how can you win it more than Caleb Williams? Do you not have a third winner in this selection process? I would say definitely a loser in the winners section in terms of the timing. But I'll find a way to get even.

I'll say that it's so it's it's so striking the difference a difference one year makes what happened with Bryce Young and Carolina as the number one overall pick and the way I hope teams learn from that and putting a kid into the starting lineup with nothing around him is a recipe for disaster and that was kind of a that was a perfect storm of of poop for the Panthers because to get to that number one pick you had to trade your number one wide receiver

when you didn't have much behind him at all so you took away this this gifted young player and DJ Moore and then you get the number one guy you want forget about the CJ Stroud component but just the idea of not having any help around and I just I'm blown away by the difference

for Caleb Williams who has Shane Waldron coaching him he has DJ Moore, as I said on the outside, you have this fantastically exciting rookie prospect and Roma Dunze and we know that wide receivers can hit the ground running

as big time producers. So that's a possibility here. That DJ Moore, who I think was a 1500 yard receiver with a ton of touchdowns, now has a potential superstar joining him. And oh, by the way, Keenan Allen is on this team. And Keenan Allen, before

he got injured last year, was on pace for like 130 catches. So that's how you do it. I mean, and they'll have to block for him, obviously, and the running game will have to do its work, but he is so set up well, and I should mention DeAndre Swift also was added to this team, and that's a guy who can make plays out of the backfield as a pass receiver too. So, you know, I think from number one overall pick, like confidence in a player hitting the ground running when you combine his pedigree and what we think that this player is Caleb Williams, now with what he's joining, the Bears can instantly

be a threat in the NFC. And that's an exciting thought, I know, for Bears fans. Maybe the best division of football now. And I went up, now we're going to, that Packers Bears game, I mean, that could be like Sunday night week one, I feel like. Let's flip it over to losers. And I'll start with the Dallas Cowboys. It's been a tough off season for the Dallas Cowboys. And I thought there was a chance here that they would, uh, hit on the draft in a way that was exciting and it doesn't really matter if it's buzzy, ultimately. The guys that they pick have to play

like Tyler Guyton, their offensive tackle out of Oklahoma. They take an edge rusher Marshawn Neeland out of Western Michigan with their second round pick. They take another Lyman, Cooper Beebe, with their third round pick. But there is a significant lack of sizzle here around

the Dallas Cowboys and a team that needed to find a way to get better this offseason. I just don't see it. And then you have these, I don't know, I think I think it's fair to say if you're a Cowboys fan that you're a little bit nervous about Jerry Jones as we enter these next years going ahead. He's an aging owner and they are obviously he has a huge voice in that room. The press conference heading into round two for a team that was desperate for running back help. Let's listen to Jerry Jones here when he talks about a running back.

prospect and does not do it after they take the prospect, they do it before. I'm curious if you could get some kind of assessment about Jonathan Brooks as an NFL prospect and how his recovery is coming from H.C.L. Thurgeon. In my 30 years, I thought it was the best interview that I've ever interviewed with a player. He's outstanding. And he's just outstanding. And he's a great football player. We got him high, high, high. And he's a good player. Well, I got it out of here. I'm sorry, who's on the far right on that day? I had the same question. That's Will McLean. They're their personnel director. Okay, great. So that's important. If you play the rest of that clip, I'll just tell you, Stephen Jones is next to him, Jerry's son.

who literally elbows him and says, hey, show him the whole board while you're at it. You have Mike McCarthy just sitting there essentially like a corpse, like I cannot believe this is what's happening. And then you have the personnel director who ends the interaction with media with, and there's a lot of other guys we like too.

You basically give away how desperate you are for Jonathan Brooks, who then, of course, goes to another team. And I don't know if there's a correlation, but they take Jonathan Brooks 46th in the 2024 draft. So the Panthers jump up and get Brooks. And I just thought it was, that was like a snapshot into the world of the Cowboys right now and the reporting that's coming out today that the Cowboys are now interested in a reunion with Ezekiel Elliott tells me everything about an organization that needs to find a way to get over the hump. But if anything, I feel like they've backslit a little bit this offseason. I am with you.

And like the, I think the Ezekiel Elliott part of it is uncreative. It is embarrassing because you, here's the thing. I think Jerry Jones over the last five, six plus years and his team kind of quieted some of the criticism about it being a bit of a Wild West operation because they drafted really well and they made good decisions. And I know in the past he always like overextended his own players and paid them too much. But they were a good, a team that drafted well. Like this in this off season has been a complete disaster.

And there's, you know, when it was a two months ago, you could complete disaster. That feels a little. I don't think it's, I don't think it is, here's a thing, because this is a team, this is one of the five or six teams that went into the offseason viewing themselves as a Super Bowl team and verbalize, because here's what annoys me, because you don't have to say anything. You don't have to say what you just said in that press conference. You don't have to say what you said months ago where Jerry Jones is telling the world and everyone's going to listen and talk about it. We're all in, we're going to do everything. And I'm tired of talking about the subject at this point too,

but it's like you're going to say that and then you do nothing. Look, I think they ended up with a a guy and Tyler Guyton that might not be ready to play right away. And yet they need him to play right away after trading down five. But to give them some credit, they picked up an extra third round pick because like they might need another starter to start this year. And that's Cooper Beebe. So it's like, okay, you traded down. You maybe did get an extra potential starter at guard in the third round. We'll see if that works out or not. But the Brooks thing is crazy to me. Not only did that lose me a sandwich, my Jonathan Brooks Cowboys direct hit, which I thought was going to happen. That was before the draft I made that pick. And then he said that the Panthers to Panthers

traded up. Of course they're aware of that. And they're probably aware that the Cowboys are heat seeking and running back anyways. And Jonathan Brooks, if he wasn't coming off a torn ACL, I mean, his tape as a receiver and just how he can move his feet as a big guy is pretty great. Like he could have been a potential first round running back if not for the injury. And yeah, you gave away the game and you don't end up with your guy in the second round. returns 82 later this year. And I just, if you haven't seen it, and you can check it on YouTube, if you like, where the show also lives, just seeing the way Stephen Jones especially was reacting. And Mike McCarthy, I think, was in a catatonic shock at that point, how they reacted

to the Cowboys credit. And this is to Jera's credit to Stephen Jones, to Mike McCarthy. The last three seasons, 12 and 5, 12 and 5, 12 and 5. And a lot of that has been going back to strong drafting and they've been able to become a top team in the NFC. It's just, I can't shake that feeling. Now I don't want to step on the, around the NFC in 48 minutes, but my

overall thought is like they already had, the window was the window and now they missed it with DAC and CED and Michael when they were younger before second contracts. And now they're stuck in this kind of, I don't know, purgatory. And they're not they can't really improve

the team because if they want to keep the together. They're going to have to pay all those guys. So you're kind of stuck in between. And then you have to, and you're picking late in the draft because you keep on having a great regular season record. So they're kind of caught in this twilight zone. It'll be interesting to see what Cowboys team we get in September. Yeah, the biggest concern for me is the change of tone in the Dak Prescott talks, that the Cowboys are kind of putting it all off.

And Dak, when asked about it, these charity events and stuff, has a very different tone, too. And that's an awkward situation. he has a no trade, I mean a no tag clause in his contract, which is massive as he hits free agency. And yeah, they could, they could decide to just like rip the band-aid off. And you're right, they've drafted well, but they didn't last year when I thought they kind of reached for need. And I kind of think if you look at this draft, they kind of reach for need too. Let me just, just final point when you look at their death chart, because I really thought they needed to add a playmaker to their offense. They don't get the running back they wanted.

You still obviously have CD there, although you have contract drama around him. You still have Brandon Cooks, who's a very solid guy who found his footing. Right now you have Jalen Tolbert as a starter. You have a six-round pick, Ryan Flournoy taken. You have a seventh round pick last year, Jalen Brooks on the roster. Cavante Turpin is there as an option. It's just, it's not hot. It ain't hot on that depth chart once you get past the Super Bowl.

Dupor star and Brooks. So cooks, I should say. All right. How about another winner or a loser? Anything you want, Greg. Well, just because you mentioned it with Jonathan Brooks, just a quick winner on Bryce Young. I thought the first round pick, you know,

moving up to take Xavier Legate was a little risky. He's a risky prospect. He kind of reminds me of Jonathan Mingo, the guy they took at 40th overall last year. He's not really a guy that gets open. But when you see him running in the open field, is just like a sight to behold. I would like guys that could get open.

I know that they're hoping the offense, you know, helps you out a little bit more. But then in the second round, you get the best running back in the class with Jonathan Brooks. You get a tight end in Jatavian Sanders. You spent all that money in the offseason on the offensive line, just like an exorbitant amount of money. It's like, okay, we're trying here. Like, they went into this draft trying to help Bryce Young out as much as they could.

Jatavian Sanders is a pretty explosive tight end. Maybe it takes them a year to get ready. but like, okay, three more offensive pieces. We spent much on the line. It's like, at least they're trying. Go Bryce Young. Don't give up. I'm with you.

I thought they had a good draft. And I mean, I think it makes sense because we saw the bills do this with Josh Allen in a hurry. And this was the Kyle Shanahan thing wherever he went was like amass weapons and get your kind of offense together quickly. And I like what they've done for Bryce Young this offseason. Yes, there's some question marks about parts of it,

but it is wholly better than where it was a year ago. And it's like you're going to get a better read because I don't give him a total mulligan for last season, but it's just kind of hard to assess who the player is going forward based on that, you know, a total mess of a campaign where the coach is getting fired. You're already on your second. I like the idea of you're bringing a quarterback in Canales,

a guy that's saved two quarterbacks in a row. That's a good fit. And then they're putting him in a position where we can assess what Bryce Young is. And then you've got to make a hard decision if he's not improved. All right. Give us another one, Mark. So I'll give you a winner with a loser folded inside of it.

I thought the Bengals had a good draft. And it's, it may be, maybe you don't love all of it. Because I know, you know, we're communicating and we're hearing from like, you know, the Wesleyan brothers and they seem kind of hot and cold with certain stuff. But like, if you get the right version of Mary's... They weren't big on a Marius Mims, which I thought was a shot worth taking at the spot they did. I'm with you. And that's the thing.

I think if you get like the upside and, I think they trust that they can do that, then that's a good pick. All right, let's take a break and we'll do some more winners and losers. Just getting warmed up here. We'll be right back. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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Welcome back. We're going to do some winners and losers coming up in a second. What was that? Why are you talking so fast? Why are rotating in the chair, too? You were giving a little audio, Fantasia there for us. I like that. I don't know what Fantasia means, but I love it.

Welcome back, everybody. We are going to get back into Winters and Lillars. losers and we are uh let's talk about a guy that's you know he's been in our life for a while now and he's always struck me as a unique individual and it's hard to it's hard to really put your finger on it what it is that makes him such a unique individual what like what makes Chris Ballard tick Indianapolis Colts general manager

since 2017 and I guess I will say that it's good to have the Chris Ballard in the league because he is going to come at you and he's going to surprise you sometimes sometimes we'll be by the way he looks

like he's growing his hair out like 2011 era Tom Cruise right now like Tom Cruise Scientology video leaks era hair? Or 2011 Tom Brady. I feel like he's bad at a little bit. Which is by far my least favorite Tom Brady hair era. That one just, that one threw me for a loop.

But anyway, with Ballard, it's like, okay, you're always going to keep us on our toes. And with that said, he kept the entire media on their toes when he sat down after the Friday drafting of a wide receiver. Donne Mitchell, who is a very talented player who, I guess, fell down or fell off some draft boards because of reports, this is important, reports of character concerns, okay? And a lot of these reports were not necessarily strongly sourced, but it stuck to Mitchell, whether he deserved to or not, I can't, I don't have the data or the research to tell you whether this man should have been getting dinged with character concern reports. But what, uh,

Chris Ballard doesn't, like, are people throwing it out there and not putting their names behind it, so hit it, Chris. I don't, I don't know. I mean, I read some of the bullshit that was set on TV. I mean, just the typical, excuse my language, our typical league, unnamed sources, you know, bad interview. That's such bullshit. I mean, it's fucking is.

It's bullshit. Like, put your name, like, put your name on it. I'm tired of, we tear these young men down. These are 21, 22 young men. And if you can, if people out there can tell me they don't, they're perfect in their lives, it's crap. It's crap. This is a good kid. And, you know, for that, for those reports to come out, like, you know, my, I said it last year.

It's bullshit. I'm sorry. I apologize for the language. I don't, but I do. So he obviously, that's, that's mad. He's big mad there about it. And I did like, and we'll learn more about Mitchell and his NFL journey here now. But he was asked, Mitchell, the receiver was asked to describe his game later that same day.

And this is good. His response, the best. That's like a Liam Gallagher type response. That is a wild journey there. And look, I think it worked out for about. He ends up taking Laitilatu in the first round, the top defensive player on his board clearly, because he was the first one off the board

and knowing this is a deep receiver class and to have a guy like Adi Mitchell who everyone expected to go in the first round and had some real number one receiver type traits fall to him. It worked out well, and Ballard's mad. I mean, that's a close, it's a friend of Lance Zerline, who's a friend of the show. So that's a strong character connection there.

I think the issue with Mitchell, though, and I'll put my name on it, and I don't know about the character stuff. There probably was stuff out there I didn't see. But my issue was when you watched him, it just looked like he was going half speed like a lot of the time. Like he just didn't go all out every route. And so that's not a character issue. And there can be conversations about why that happened, why that didn't, but that's going to take him off some people's boards of like a guy that you didn't feel was giving 100% every single snap in college. And there might be reasons for that. And clearly the Colts don't mind. And he's probably going to play right away over Alec Pierce. He's

a better version of Alec Pierce. Ballard definitely, I mean, we've got a lot of, you know, track record with him. He certainly likes traits and players. He wants big, strong, lanky, tall guys and, like, the cults are built around him. And, like, in other organizations, like, I'm not sure he would have survived because they misfired on the quarterback situation post-Andrew luck so many times. But I will say this about Ballard, Dan. Like, he looks about 12 years younger to me right now. The hair, the skin. I don't know what's going on. It's like, um, There's a bit of a glow up happening there. And, like, it's, yeah, we, like, I know you've had, like, Ballard personality.

I don't know what it is. Or just, like, the overall vibe of them, you know, the favorite type of frog thing, too. That's, that's out there, but, like, he, to me, looks about as good as he's ever looked. He's had an incredible, what was the frog thing? What's your favorite type of frog? Well, what's your favorite type of frog? We know. We should just gaslight mark and say we have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh, that would be absurd. But, you know, the two of you were on that hill together. because of a combine experience. I understand that. But like would you would you famously ask that? Would you say that he, do you not agree that he looks younger and fresher? And this is one of the biggest takeaway I have from one of the biggest takeaways I have from the draft. Sure. Yeah, I think he looks good for his age. And I think, uh, I think going back to that standing in Indianapolis, uh, Greg, you and I next to each other and, and watching him address the media for the first time all those years ago, like this, what happened today is kind of hammering home that like what

that initial observation. Like, this guy just feels a little different. He's got a little, he's got a little something to him, a little piss and vinegar, a little bit of an unpredictable nature to him. Maybe he's a perfect GM for ownership with Jim Ursay, you know. Something you can't quite put a finger on. Can't do it. But Eric, Eric Ebron did this story got passed around so long that Eric Ebron responded to it and said, this is the same dude that trashed my name throughout the league, said, I quit after I played knowing I needed surgery. This is Cap.

He's saying that Ballard's just grandstanding about A.G. Eddie Mitchell. And I think he's the worst GM ever. So that's Eric E. Okay. I was like, okay, I didn't know this was a thing, but I guess it was a thing. All right. I have one connected to that Colts team because I thought they were connected,

that the Colts and Chargers were winners for the same reason. just that they passed on wide receivers at spots that they absolutely could have. And if the Chargers had Malik neighbors or the Colts took Brian Thomas Jr., like I would have liked those picks. But if you look at the combination of what they got, the Colts got Latu and Mitchell, and then the Chargers got Joe All, like a really great tackle prospect. And you get Ladd-McConkie in the second round. You make those decisions not in a vacuum, knowing that receiver is deeper this year,

that the two-pack you're getting with your two premium picks is going to be better perhaps if you pass on the wide receiver early. And I just think the Chargers had at a nice week. They also got Junior Colson. It was probably going to start right away. Just a David Harris clone is kind of his M.O. And he played for Jim Harbaugh. And it's just like, it's just so nice to have Harbaugh.

I mentioned the quote the other day. Randy, behind the virtual glass, let's play the other Jim Harbaugh quote, talking about his brother texting him during the job and my brother texted me you know after the pick and he said that's that's who i would have taken if if he was at that pick what was your response to your brother's text um um checking the phone let's see checking the phone Oh, I haven't texted him back yet. What would be an appropriate response there?

Thanks? Thumbs up. I'll just go with the thumb. Joe, you've got it. I'll give him a pound. I give him a pound. Oh, wow. That's cool.

Like, my dad, Keith Hanses. I feel like in the last 18 months or so, started rocking with emojis for the first time, and it's a jarring moment. And I think Jim Harbaugh using emojis is not something I could ever admit, and I think he was playing along there. He had no idea what they were talking about in terms of putting a thumbs up. He probably wrote thumbs up.

That would be a move. That feels like a Jim Harbaugh move. I'm glad you brought up the Chargers there, too, because I agree. I think the only thing I was nervous with the Harbaugh hire was that he's such a huge personality and character at this point that he's almost too big for a team like the Chargers and it could lead to some chaos with him being unchecked power-wise. some strange stuff going on, like, for instance, you know, answering the phone when the Patriots called about a trade of Justin Herbert. I just feel like it's been a sensible. I know it was a little

dicey there in free agency when they, they essentially dumped their top two wide receivers, but that's also there's a logic behind that. Those are 30-something receivers with injury histories. And to take the best offensive lineman prospect in a couple years, number one, McConkey feels like a very Jim Harbaugh guy. And as much as we all can argue about Justin Herbert, about at what level and how special truly is Herbert entering year five, like, give him weapons and give him stability and give him a good offensive line. And you're going to get some real hard answers. So I think the Chargers are set up well here.

Yeah. It's kind of like we talked about the commanders and the Bears feeling different to us. And the Chargers to me, you know, year after year, like no matter who was in charge, seem to be snake bit by the same football god ill luck and misfortunes. They just seem the same to me always. And it's like they feel very different to me now. And I think like Ladd McConkey, and we've talked about him a little bit before on the show, I mean, Justin Herbert's going to love them. And I think that Alt is an absolute home run pick. So it's like the Chargers to me, there's some different energy. And I think the Harbaugh thing is not just, you know, a bunch of

headlines and a bunch of personality. Like there's a real plan here. And I identified him with as like an aging man who very often like sees a text I enjoy kind of look at it laugh but I'm in the middle of something and then I completely forget to ever respond and then you're just I just figure well I guess don't ever respond it's fine you know people people they're going to have to understand it it's a totally different vibe with the chargers though Jim Harbaughan we got to get to this at some point in the offseason is living in an RV park next to Greg Roman I mean that is just it's amazing content and the chargers have built out some content for I think we did bring that up, actually, when you're on vacation.

Yeah, we did bring that up. But that doesn't mean that we can't dig deeper into that topic. I have a winner that I'm like a little hesitant or flat out kind of scared to bring up on this show. I don't, so I don't know if I should or not, but it's up to you guys. Please. I mean, now you have to. I mean, I know it's a little on the nose, but if you're the Eagles and you get, Quignon-Mitchell falls to you. But we already did this.

I remember I preemptively named them winners on Wednesday. But there's more to it, I would say. I think that, like, for instance, some of their other picks, like Will Shipley is a very interesting running back. Like, Cooper DeGine, who I think is a loser in terms of money, because I had him going like at 20. And a lot of people had him going in the 20s. But he falls to the second round.

He goes at 40. But it's a great landing spot. So he's kind of a winner. It's kind of if you ever, like, were younger and you took a job that felt better to you that had a little bit less money attached to it and you made a good decision. On top of that, like they re-sign A.J. Brown,

we talked about that, but Jeremiah Trotter is the, we've mentioned that. We'll get in that. The Sessler move of the draft. But it's like they did, they did, they did, they had, they didn't over,

they didn't trade up to get stuff that they had to overspend for. Quality fell to them. So there's some luck there. It's not all Howie Roseman is a demigod from a different part of the solar system. But it's like luck, but smart decision making.

They got better. Like, their secondary quality. needed a lot of work, I thought, and, like, they addressed it. And so it was just a very solid draft for the Eagles, where you're walking away thinking, like, this was a chaotic end of the last season, but we've kind of reset the board to some degree at this point. There's two, there's two conversations. And there's separate conversations. So that's, that's important. Like, my take that I've shared, that I feel like NFL media in general is filled with a lot of copycats and people that just,

crib the notes of people who are seen as pacemakers in terms of opinion. I think that's, I think that is a epidemic that, that as somebody who, listen, you may think Dan gets a lot of things right, a lot of things wrong, but I tell you, every opinion I have is my opinion. And sometimes I think, and it's something that actually comes from how I feel and I share it, there's too much, there's too much out there people aligning themselves with people whose opinions are respected on a higher level. Greg's part of the problem with this. And I think no, you're not a part of the problem. But Greg, you are one of the tastemakers, by the way.

And that's a credit I'll give to you. I know that's why it makes you a little uncomfortable. I bring it up because Greg has- I don't think people are consciously thinking like this. They just like like the same sort of team building that like Howie is into. We've been honking about the Eagles since 2017. But they, Greg, Dan is right about it. There is a howie hero worship element that like i'm not even on twitter i don't tweet but i do check it out once in a while and i think dan's got a point there and you have that you have a platform gregg within the football cognizanti and you're not alone and there are other people that think howie and and his team are really sharp and and so that's that's part one of this now part two is

a theory i have and i think why this keeps happening every year i believe the eagles are very online. This is a theory I have. And the Eagles, so when all of these boards come out about these draft boards about who's a good value, these mocks, isn't it funny that the guys that are widely mocked in the first round and then fall to the later rounds? It's always the Eagles that are the ones that get those guys. So I think the Eagles are the decisions they make are very similar to the mock draft community, the top mock draft community people. And then when they take take that guy that, oh, wait, he was supposed to go 23, but he's going 38 and they, you know, everybody's like, oh my God, the Eagles done it again. Maybe the Eagles aren't doing any work at

all. And they are just like basically studying like Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 or Mel Kiper's big board and they're taking whoever's the highest left pick. It's like the guy in your fantasy league who doesn't know anything, but just takes best available player. And then you're like, whoa, how did that person last into the third round? I think that's a little thing that's going on to Eagles. So I got multiple theories out there. Greg, I respect your football knowledge. You are, I'm not saying you're part of the problem, but it's people that then follow the people that are deemed the intellectual taste makers of football universe that are on my radar. Good job, Eagles. It looks like you got better. You better get better.

I love this theory because it just shows what a boondoggle it is for the roughly 37 men and women, mostly men, let's be real, in suits in a white shirt with no tie. There's like an eagle's uniform. That is the most crowded draft room I've ever seen. There's 30 dudes with suits on, but all they're doing is printing out the consensus big board. And you know what? There's actually a real answer to that you might be onto something here in reality, because the Ravens and the Bengals are like this too. There are a lot of analytical thinking that like if you go by the consensus big board, if you go way off. for instance, the Consensus Big Board, like, over time, it's been proven production-wise.

Like, the Consensus Big Board actually does outperform basically anything else that you could do. You really could draft off. And the Consensus Big Board, Arif Asan, who's been on a show, he puts it together, is from, like, 100 big boards. And you're kind of right that if you do go off that, over time, it's been proven, like, that's pretty effective to maybe not be like the Jaguars who are always taking guys like 50 spots before they were supposed to go. I think you make a compelling point, Dan, with your theory, and there is probably an element

of truth to everything you're saying. But the other way you can go in the draft is be a team like, you know, like we talked about this a bunch the other night, but like the Falcons that takes Michael Pennix when no one thought you would take them there. And then they took a defensive tackle, you know, next that like people are saying, wait a minute, that guy's meant to go in like the fourth or fifth round. And it's like suddenly things start to look nonsensical, slightly dark, slightly crazy. Like that fan base, that front office is thinking differently

and not thinking the way of the public things. But do we like that? I think I've made my point on the Falcons clear. But like I think the Eagles are very well run and not overthinking things, I think helps you a lot. I also think there's the NFL. Now forget about the cognizanty. The NFL is also a copycat league in thinking a lot.

And when a player starts dropping down the board, I think there's a lot of teams that go like, oh, if so-and-so doesn't like them, why should we like them? And to the Eagles credit, I don't think they think the same way. I think if they like a player, they go and get them. So I guess the overarching theory here is that the reason why they keep on being the bell of the ball is their draft style and their draft methods and methodology, methodology, connects with what everyone's obsessing about for four months.

months with their mocks and all the things that they're obsessed with. So when the Eagles make the pick that everyone's been spending weeks and weeks about these certain players, it's like, yes, the Eagles, they did it. You're right. They've legitimized not just their roster, but me. You're right. But Greg, I'd ask you a question. Like, why do you think that Hooper de Gene fell, I think that was a genuine surprise that he fell that, even that far into the second round? I think he can do a lot. He's a good return man, which matters a lot this, at least this season, as a you know in today's NFL it's like he seemed like almost any team could use him and it's like a lot of teams did not agree with the value yeah i i think that maybe people viewed him as a tweener

and they didn't quite know where to put him and like honestly being a white cornerback i i honestly think that's that's that's an issue like pomani jones talks about it a lot like joking it's like white coaches let let your athletes stay at cornerback they always end up moving them to safety they never end up getting a chance to stay and play at safety like this is a crazy athlete but he did show versatility and maybe just people didn't quite imagine like he didn't fit the profile and in they saw him as a safety and a guy you move inside uh who goes later by the way you share your opinion dan with bill barnwell who said his he responded to something i said about howie that like you you know how he's done it again was trending on twitter and he was like as my curse

with how is he could and i think he's basically saying the same thing as you in a different way that i think he's consistently a b plus uh gm and uh when when when he's down people don't like him because he's sort of defending him, but mostly when he's good, people are mad at him because he points out, you know, the bad picks, like the Andre Dillard pick and the Jordan Davis pick, which he got a lot of credit for, the Keely Ringo pick last year. He got a lot of credit. He has plenty of misses, too. He was hot. You mentioned it last week. He was hot for Zach Wilson.

I mean, some of this stuff is. You know who's got to becoming the Eagles? And just a quick winner is the Lions, like the Lions secondary and the Lions' confidence, like their Hutzpah right now that you trade up for Arnold. That was a great pick, Terry and Arnold. And then you stick and you take another corner who was by far the highest guy on the board for Daniel Jeremiah's big board, Enis Raykstra Jr. And you just kind of take the value.

And between those two guys in Carlton Davis, you've really remade your cornerback group. And that's great. But the thing that makes me realize, like, they're a little getting high on their own supply in a good way. They've been confident to take bold picks. They traded a third round pick next year to draft Giovanni Manu, a player that was was not invited to the scouting combine with pick 126. So they paid a third next year for pick 126, a 360 pound tackle from the University of British Columbia.

And they think it's like they're Jordan Milata and that he wasn't going to necessarily fall that much further. And that's great. They have conviction about it. And they believe like they are the team to turn him into gold. But that's a gutsy pick to trade a third for a guy that, you know, it was playing in Canada. Mark, you got one? I do.

And it's a player who's already in the league. And I think it's Brock Purdy because we were in this 48-hour window where, like, I think at the right situation had been presented, either Debo Saniel or Brandon Ayuk are not on the team anymore. Instead, they're both on the team. They're not going to get traded. And you add Ricky Parasol. So it's like you actually just added a weapon during a weekend

when, you know, cap, money, whatever, situations, relationships could have taken Brock Purdy in a very critical third year. year with a Super Bowl window open and taking one of his biggest weapons away. So, you know, some of this stuff that we had talked about for 40 days, like Ayuk and Samuel came up more recently, but it's like, in the end, like, what the move that doesn't happen could end up being the biggest move for one of the best teams in the league. Did you see Iyuk texted the Niners, maybe it was Lynch or Shanahan after the Pearsall pick. He's like, that pick was fire, not going to lie. And then I saw somebody on Twitter pointed out, like, that's like the

That's a text sent from a guy that feels confident he's not the guy that's going to be traded if a trade gets made. Exactly. He sent like an IG story too, like dancing around this weekend. I think he is going to get paid. But Debo spoke to Diana Rossini and said the team, he didn't say that the team told them about possibly trading him or not, but she asked about the reports. And he just said, I know what's going on.

It is what it is. I'm good with staying with them. I'm chilling. And the way the 49ers talked about it afterwards, I think they were probably. open with him that like hey we did have these conversations and the way they spoke publicly it sounded like that door is closed now and that they're all going to be there and you so you're right purdy's a big winner um this one's kind of tough to classify uh Tony con who's the right man right hand man of shod Khan jaguar's owner uh first of all I believe he's

still wearing the neck brace. And that doesn't surprise me. He was today. He was today. Yeah, because when you suffer a neck injury on a pile driver. You're still paddling this one. It's not the idea that you're going to get better in a day. It might be months. It could be years.

So I hope Tony's okay because, you know, despite Greg following, you know, tens of thousands of people that are. wrestling fanatics, you seem to not understand that the bumps are very real. Well, here's another one. On the Pat McAfee show, he was getting on Tony Kahn. He said, if you're going to wear the neck brace and sell it, stop moving your neck around and walking around as if you're not injured at all. Like, Wally's wearing the neck brace, Tony Kahn's just looking around and having a normal

thing. So Pat McAfee, a wrestling, you know, enthusiast, employee was saying you got to sell the neck brace better. See, this is when, and I was just throwing you flowers, Greg, for saying that you are part of the Illuminati of the NFL media sphere. But now I'm going to have to give it to you a little bit the other way. You're coming off a little uninformed because Tony Khan is with, I believe, the AEW, which is a upstart wrestling federation. I know the rival things, but it doesn't change the point. And let me throw it to our own network. This was wild. Mike Arafolo and Steve Weish with Tony Khan talking about all matters of not really Jaguars, just kind of Tony Khan, which is part of my

greater point. Let's listen in. And we're up against a really evil juggernaut. WW is our competitor. That's who we're facing. A.E.W. like the Pepsi of pro wrestling, WWE's like the Harvey Weinstein of pro wrestling. And I'm really proud of what we do down here. All right. All right, Tony. We're going to hold on real quick. What's the prognosis? What are the doctor's telling you. Well, you know, to be honest, I think you're going to have to tune in to AEW to find out what they have to say. There we go.

Really me. Yeah. That was Mike Garifolo and Steve Weish are friends with him. Steve Weish, so uncomfortable in that moment. Anytime Harvey Weinstein's name has ever been uttered on NFL Network in any capacity. So you see on live television, Steve, the, the bells going off there. so yeah that Pat McAfee is paid by Vince McMahon so I'm just saying like obviously he's going to be critical of Tony Khan and not try to legitimize his injury which is seems very possible that I think it was good scouting when I watched Tony just filling there thank you sir and and and one last thing Mark I want to throw it to you on this now let's say for a second that it is all a work right and there's no neck injury and it's just a promotional tool how does this make the Jaguars look?

I don't, I'm not the like, I'm not the, uh, I like fun stuff. I love when people in football don't take themselves too seriously. There are on some levels limits. And when he's in the war room with the neck brace and then he's giving interviews and dropping Weinstein on NFL network and like, it almost starts to feel like, are we, I don't know, man. Like, what were your thoughts, Mark? Yeah, because I thought some of the more notable images from the,

the weekend where when he's sitting there and I'm with Greg that there's a lot of neck movement underneath that neck brace but um you know he's turning to his right better yeah he's turning to his right but to his right is Doug Peterson uh former NFL quarterback and head coach a large man who's you know serious is a very serious pivot point in the organization his career is on the line yeah and you got Trent Balke who's you know trying to mend fences after you know what happened to him in a press conference a couple days ago and it's like the looks on their faces where my favorite part of the draft on one level because it's like, wait a minute, what's going on with the son of the owner and a neck brace? And we've had him on the show and he's

entertaining and like, I think it's all for sport on some level. I'm not sure of the accuracy of the injury based on the industry that he's trying to apply to us. I tend to side with Greg that it's not accurate. For his vanity project, which is this wrestling federation, it's gold, obviously. Right. But it almost kind of overshadowed everything the Jaguars were doing. It just That felt tonally, I would think, maybe a little off amongst Jaguars fans at the very least. Jags fans let us know. I would point out that, you know, we're only a couple years removed from Mike Rabel's teenage or 20-something-year-old son during the Corona draft. Dressing in a full-body one-sy that was quite revealing and strange.

And that happened on national television too. Was that during COVID? Yes. It was like when they were going to. Yeah. Nothing counts. Maybe that's why the dog was taking picks. You know, he drafted Tychoan Thornton, I believe.

I have one last loser, and then I'm going to throw it to you guys for your last ones, and then we've got to get to our sandwich props. Oh my God. And this one's quite serious. We're just having a little bit of fun, but this is serious. I feel weird even saying it because I've been, you know, a vociferous defender of this individual, which a lot of people have found ironic. But so it's going to be misleading at first or seen that way.

Bill Belichick was a loser and I don't like it I don't like anything about it because I think that you guys did this to him and I point to everyone you put him on a television set this weekend with a fake milk hyper

you have him asking Adam Peters questions about his day two draft plans like ask Bill Belichick so what do you think you're going to do tomorrow you want to tell us you know the exact exact type of inane and sepid

buries that Belichick would dismiss in his heyday. I believe this is crass. This is beneath him. This is tragic theater is what it is. Is this what you meant when you said the greatest coach of all time

needs to take a year off to better understand the modern game? Does this tap dancing entertain you? Because I see a legendary figure in our game debasing himself at the altar of lazy group think. Stay in the picture, they say,

show a different side of yourself. Smile. Or else, imagine putting Vince Lombardi through these same paces. Imagine asking Bear Bryant to sing for his supper. Shame on you. Shame on all of you. That's it.

I mean, I love what you said there, but on Saturday morning, like, I went back and watched about two and a half, three hours of that Belichick performance. And you are right, that it was a bit, there were a lot of antics on that set. And at times he seemed a little disembodied from it. But I thought in a different way, it helped Bill Belichick because he was awesome in his analysis. And I thought he looked up to Pat McAfee and gave McAfee his correct spot on that show doing it for the first time. And so I see where you're coming from. But like, I thought Belichick kind of shot he's shown bright. I thought he did a wonderful job. In a tough setting though, because it's not

it was weird to have Belichick sit there and have to like, it's not unlike, you know, a young boy in a neck brace with the coach two feet away. It was like he's having to deal with the like the second best Mel Kuyper parriter out there on the scene. So it was just, that was strange. Are you referring to Frank Caliando

is number one? Well, I think Joey, Joey does the best Mel Kuiper for my money. Like I love Joey Mulanaro, I think his last name is, but he's incredible. Oh, wow, he called by his first name alone. That was pretty good. Well, he does all sorts of stuff, but he's, in a way, Mel Kiper's a winner.

You're on your own network, and people are like, you know, trying to do impressions of you on your own network. I thought that was kind of like a Mel Kiper fan boy session. You know, we're a show that appreciates the lighter side of the game. We can get a little wacky. the fact that Belichick could do that, I think it's great. And look, those breakdowns were serious. No other broadcast is going to let Bill Belichick just go for three and a half minutes on every prospect.

Like, I've been trained to watch these broadcasts and just TV in general that, like, once he got through about 45 seconds to a minute of it, I was like, oh, wow, this is going on a while. This is going on and going on. But it was cool. It's cool to hear of Belichick. Like, if you were dorky enough to just want to hear him dive deep on all these players, like they gave him the rules. It's like they gave him the runway to do it. I'm sure they gave him a massive bag of cash, so I don't feel bad for him. He seemed to be having fun.

And there were some bad, you know, let's call it for what it is. Not every editorial decision we've ever made is work. Not every bit we've ever made is great. Like the fake Malkyper was a disastrous idea. Just like, not good. Not funny. There's a song by The Who called Behind Blue Eyes. And I guess while everybody saw Bill Tap dance in there,

I was looking behind those blue eyes and I saw a guy in his own prison that could not believe he wasn't in a war room trying to find a way to win yet another Lombardi trophy. I'll stand on that. I'll stand on it.

I'll stand on it. All right, guys, what do you got before we move on? I have so much. I'm going to go speed round. I'm going to go speed round. Winner speed round. And I'm going to do a loser speed round too

after Mark. I don't care. Singing for his supper. Cardinals hope, seven picks in the top 90. They're the first team since the 1991 Cowboys to have that many picks. They quietly had a really solid, I would say B plus, a minus, considering where the picks were last year in terms of their rookie class, four, like, real contributors, seven picks.

I don't know if they're all going to work or not. Like, I'm not going to break down, like, if Darius Robinson is a day one great player. But Marvin Harrison Jr. adds juice and, like, just a lot of guys in the top three. So there's a lot of hope. I like the Packers always take guys that, like, don't have a lot of pop. It's meat and potatoes, but they end up playing right away. Jordan Morgan's going to play right away, their offensive linemen. Their linebacker, Edger and Cooper, second round probably plays right or well.

They had another second round pick at safety. Jvon Bolder probably going to play right away. Marshawn Lloyd, I liked him. He was DJ's top running back. He's a little buried at that position, but he'll play eventually. And then they make the pick of the draft. I don't know how Michael Pratt from Tuline fell this far. He changed the entire program.

Maybe the greatest player in the... In the history of the program and a legit quarterback, I will put sandwiches on it that he will outlast at least one of these first round quarterbacks in the NFL, that he's going to have like a 10 year plus career. I get why he doesn't have a big arm like maybe there was medical stuff. I'm shocked he fell to the seventh round, but at least a team that knows quarterbacks will have picked him up. So the all around, I think a nice meat and potatoes draft by the Packers. That's good. That's what they needed, right? This is a team that's really loading up now

and they're ready to make a real attack in the NFC. You don't need to take big swings. Just continue to build the roster in a sensible way. Yeah, I think the running back stable looks really interesting right now. I'm going to give you a TBD because there are open questions about this team. But you mentioned the Cardinals, and I'm with you,

there was a whole different feeling around them. They had eight picks at one point when the Browns had made only two. And the one thing that did pass with the ending of the seventh round is that from a draft pick angle, not a money angle, we get that, but from a draft pick angle, the Browns are free of the Deshaun Watson trade. And I think Andrew Berry is a winner outside of the Deshaun Watson situation that through these seasons where they've been hamstrung without first round picks, that they've had good drafts. And I think that they took a defensive tackle Michael Hall out of Ohio State who's got a lot of upside. They took a guard out of Zach Zinter out of Michigan

who looks like a badass to me. But then they had no fourth round pick. And then they're picking a bunch in the sixth and seventh round. And it's like the cost comes home at some point, not only for Deshaun Watson's contract, but the fact that you're one of the few teams in the league that for seasons in a row cannot build through the draft correctly. And I think Barry's done a good job navigating that in free agency

and through the draft itself. But I still wonder if this is one of the biggest mistakes, an organization that has a lot of mistakes on its resume has ever made. And a lot has to happen this season with that quarterback for people to feel differently about them. There's some weird stuff going on with the whole experience. But from a draft angle, it was, it was not fun to follow a team that has nothing going on in the draft.

And the reason for it isn't because of something that you can really get behind. Well, especially on a weekend where you're watching, like the Steelers I think they've added a lot of good draft picks over the like they sneaky had a great draft last year they added two offensive linemen early too that I happen to like higher than others

they take Peyton Wilson this linebacker and Roman Wilson like another good mid-round it's like you're watching the other guys in your division add quality players as well that the Browns have been sitting it out for a couple years It's over though here's the good news at least from this portion in the NFL calendar it's over

the draft compensation now is all rolled through with the Texans and Browns. Now you just have the quite messy issue of Deshaun Watson himself, who is entering year three now. And the idea was we were going to able to stomach these couple drafts of just being wiped out because we got this guy that was going to be warts and all, a franchise star at quarterback. And he hasn't been. He's been an injury riddled mess. And he's been inconsistent when he's been on the field. So yeah, I think where things stand right now. If things don't change, I think it becomes the worst trade of all time. And he's off to a huge head start. The Browns are in that race.

All right. One more speed round here. Yes. Winner, Drake May. Next five picks after him were all offense. They didn't mess around, including two receivers. I love when teams do that. One of my favorite draft tropes, team that needs, needs doesn't actually do the best player available. They just say, we are only drafting one side of the ball. It's a little dunderheaded, but also I love it. It makes sense as well. Yeah, Gerard Mayo was like, we feel pretty good about our defense. So they added receivers and they added offensive line.

The Rams are just like a tougher team. They add your guy, Blake Corum, in terms of in the running game. And then they pair their first round pick with another Florida State kind of run stopper. So just like better on the run on both sides of the ball. Brian Flores is a sneaky winner. They've really added a lot on their defense all offseason. Like he was kind of playing without really a full. deck last year. Aiden O'Connell

winner. Somehow they didn't draft a quarterback, and I do not believe in any world where Gardner Minchus starts 17 games. So Aiden O'Connell will be back in our lives. Wouldn't surprise me if he plays quite about. Loser, Saints fans who have to be worried about Marshawn Latimore getting traded again

because they drafted a cornerback high, although it was a good pick, Cooley and McKinstreet. And then I thought the Bears, you know, the bills taking Keon Coleman with the first pick of the second round, they just have a bunch of guys who all win over the middle of the field. Like, he looks like a slot receiver.

And Kincaid is that, and Shakir's that, and Samuel's that. And that would be a good spot for OBJ. Darren Waller's chances of returning. That's a loser. They drafted a tight end. It really seems like he is going to retire. And then people who drafted Devin A. Chan in way too early fantasy leagues, loser, because they drafted yet another speed demon at running back Jalen Wright in Miami.

Greg, why are people drafting fantasy teams in, like, late April? They're crazy. These best ball leagues, I don't know. People are talking about like average draft positions. I don't know. They just can't stop doing it. I don't know what it is. Best ball leagues, I believe.

I hope everything's okay with Darren Waller because not only has he, you know, having this moment where it looks like he's ending his NFL career. I saw a report out there that he like suddenly ended his marriage. It seems to be a lot going on with Darren Waller. Guy who's had issues in his past in terms of his personal life. So it looks like the Giants are ready to move on. And that was not a good trade. either. All right, let's take one more break. We come back and we're going to do some go get my lunch

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, back. Let's close this thing up. Let's empty out. We had some odds and ends just from the draft. There was a fan, a super fan. I feel like there's a good chance he listens to the show. Mark, if we could get his name because our international listenership is strong. He got to announce a Panthers pick in the draft from Detroit. Let's listen to how we ended that. with a one-out and first pick in the 2024 NFL draft, the Carolina Panthers select. Jetavian Sanders, Titan, Texas, keep pounding. I mean, I just love that guy. Love everything about him.

Yeah, love them too. And I love that as a nice supplemental key pounding drop for the show going forward. I also have Brandon Graham. I love teams hating each other. I love, like, division rivals just, like, talking-ish, because they don't, they, they have an opportunity to, and they don't care if it's going to be offensive. Here's Brandon Graham announcing a pick in Detroit. A, E, A, G, L-E-S, Eagles. And y'all already know, all day, Dallas sucks all day.

Whoa. Let's go. Let's go. And I like it. I always enjoy it. And Greg, you have one as well? I do. C.J. Stroud is a revelation.

Incredible analysis on a, like, live first round reaction show for Bleacher Report. It was hosted by Adam Lefco, who I got a chance to meet once. Like, great guy, like, C.J. Stroud seems like an incredible football analyst. He was breaking down, like, the Ricky Pearsall pick wishing why he had it and just explaining all this stuff. But I especially liked when he was not afraid to confront. another analyst on the desk there, which was Micah Parsons talking about the best division in the league.

Everyone was the playoff team. AFC North was the best division of football. Washington was argued that... Washington was in nothing, bro. What are you talking about? That meant the Giants. The Giants either. What are you talking about?

What do you mean? They lost to the Eagles. That's two years ago. Yeah, but I'm saying going into it. Fam, you don't know what you're talking about. Going into last year, no one in the planet, except for Michael Parsons, thought the NFC East was better than the AFC North. You can't argue that.

I can, bro. Oh, I love it. And that was just like a snippet. That went on for about a minute 45, and he just flayed him. And in Parsons' defense, he was talking about, like, going into last season, but he was, he was off base, and scout was on point with all this stuff. You can tell how much that guy knows ball and loves ball. Well, I also think also what I love about him is he, you know, Michael Parsons is an

incredible player, but there was, like, absolutely zero willingness to play ball with his comments and it's like Stroud reminds me of like my son Colton is like a huge soccer fan and a soccer player and if you if you bring the wrong take or mention the wrong players just like no dismissed you're wrong you're completely wrong and it's just like I love it so I totally think he was on point and like big loser the C2 test that a year ago were telling us that you know CJ Stroud didn't have the acumen or the wherewithal to lead an NFL team it's like check you later test well you it should be noted I haven't heard much at all about that in this draft process. Well, it lost so much a change to the C2 test. It was the S2 test, I believe.

Oh, the S2. I can't even remember. But you're right. It didn't come up one time this year. It's dead. It's dead. They took a dirt nap. While we're on Sun Corner here, before we started recording today, we have the Royals, the AA Royals that my son plays on. I'm one of the coaches on the team. And we were a little shorthanded getting warmed up. So I jogged over there. It's only a block away from the house. And thank you guys for bearing with me during that. So I got the team ready for the game. And then my son Harrison was starting on the mound. So I was like, all right, I got to watch the first half inning. And I don't know where he gets it. I can't imagine where he gets like this a maniacal competitive streak in him. But he struck out the side for

starters. So good job by you, Harry, in a big spot. But also the other team that we were playing the expos who somehow the expos are are in this league they're not the nationals um the team was chanting they were doing a chant from the opposing dugout that went pitcher pitcher look at me i'm a monkey in a tree and i kept on seeing harrison kind of his eyes darting over he didn't like that they were making doing that chant and after he struck out the third batter this is a memory that will stay with me forever he walks off the mound just staring at the dugout of the opposing team to the point where he starts just back peddling back toward our dugout staring at them at the striking other side no smile dead-eyed like like max scherzer like

it was an incredible moment uh that uh showed that he might be uh as nuts as his dad and i i love him for it shout out to harry uh my co-coach jeff grundel and the rest of the staff we are we've been fighting through it this year but that was a nice moment You shut that other team up. That's what I like. Maybe he's like a young Albert Bell in the making. That would be wonderful. I'm a big celebrations guy. I'm always loving the celebrations. And it is fun. And I feel like Walker played his basketball game today. And there is a fine line of like, when do you get too old to be? Because if they hit like a couple shots early, like some of the players, you know, in the 8, 9, 10, 10 age, it's like, oh, they're going to show the other team up. They're going to do a little, they're going to do some celebration.

They're going to do some dancing. At some point, the other team is going, you know, that other team might come charge. Jack, who knows? At some point, like, you have to maybe dial back, but it's fun to watch little kids do that. I would not, I would not pick against Jack even if nine kids ran at him if he is fired up. He's got a, he's got a wonderful temper on him. It's the one thing of difference between when we were 8, 9, 10, and kids now, they all know how to dance. Right.

Because they all play Fortnite and stuff, and they have like, they're all like Fred Astaire now. It's absurd. So I can imagine, especially in basketball, if you hit an 18 footer and you're 10, you're going to be doing something completely elaborate. All right. Shall we? Turn our attention to the annual game of Chance skill. Go get my lunch. You nothing burger?

Pitcher, picture, look at me. I'm a monkey in a tree. Unbelievable. All right. This year, we had some success, but as usual, not a ton overall. Let's start with Mark Sessler. Mark, you did not hit on a prop this year. Let's go through them.

Eagles select Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Got that. I feel like, Mark, we tried to warn you on. on this. Like, you don't have to make it two parts. We can't give you credit for having half. This is not horseshoes. This is not hand grenades because you also added and the Chargers select Blake Horem, who did go to SoFi Stadium, but to the Rams. Well, I did, I did like, you know, I went in knowing this is hyper-specific and that I would pay the price. I still felt, I'm not saying it from a sandwich angle, but when Trotter went to the Eagles, I felt good about that because it

was, it came from instinct and also a little bit of, you know, listening to some whispers. So there you go. You deserve to be happy with yourself. That's good. You've done it two years in a row. Porter last year, Trotter. It's a thing, especially in like day three when teams are, if they're kind of stuck between son of franchise legend and Joe Blow, they're probably going to take the legend.

It's just smart thinking. You just went too hard. You went too specific, but, you know, maybe next year. You didn't know Sean McVeigh was going to sweep in and. annoyed Jim Harbaugh and annoy Kairn Williams' fantasy owners next year. The Cowboys selected quarterback within the first two rounds. This was saucy. We took you on it.

They ended up taking, I believe, a tackle and a defensive lineman, was it? Yeah. Did they take a quarterback, period? I don't think so. I don't believe so. I was kind of hoping they would be a spot for my guy, Pratt, in the later rounds, but didn't happen. You know, they got Trey Lance, their quarterback of the future. Oh, my goodness.

Let's see. They took Guyton, the tackle out of Oklahoma, Nealyn, the Edge, Cooper, Beebe, the guard. They did not take a quarterback. Yeah, they didn't take a quarterback. All right. Up next.

Well, I had a third one there, I believe. A major non-sports-related news story takes, quote, wholesale precedence, close quote, over the draft. There is a lot of, there are a lot of important issues going on, in the world right now. A lot of troubling stories out there. I believe the Republican presidential nominee is currently on trial, for instance. There's just stuff going on. But no,

nothing seemed to pop up over the last three days. Nope. I think I might retire that personal flavor of major news story overtakes what we're attempting to do with our work because it doesn't seem to ever occur. It's going to happen in one of these one of these years and then you'll be sad. You didn't. All right, Greg. So you went 0 for 3. Greg.

You went 4 and 9 overall according to go get my lunch that order. Yeah, with all the takes and non-takes. You'd say Patriots select Drake May. Was this, did you do this on Monday or is this an older one? We did it on Monday, right? Yeah. No, but I mean this

I don't remember this. Oh yeah, that's what you said. you're going to go straight forward with it. That was very chalky. In fact, only Mark took you on it. I did not take you. So you make one saying, you know, throughout the process, he was plus money,

like less than 50-50 to go third. People just thought, I don't know what they thought. Like that's exactly to the Patriots. Even as late as Monday, it's funny that by the time we got to Wednesday, then it was totally expected. Why did I take you on that one?

In my own mock draft, which I, you know, in theory believed and had him going to the Patriots, absurd. Yeah, that was a tough one. bad beat. Also a bad beat. The owner of the Cowboys letting every team in the league know

you better go get Jonathan Brooks because we're in love with him and we're going to take him in the second round of the draft. So the Cowboys select Jonathan Brooks with pick number 56. He went about 10 picks before when the Panthers traded up. You were, your thinking was very

sound to Greg. In fact, Jarrah's speech monologue while misguided makes you look good. because it tells you that that's exactly what they're thinking. However, it costs you sandwiches in a big spot, two sandwiches down. I think only two running backs got taken in the first three rounds. Like that was Brooks mid two, Trey Benson went early three, and that was it.

To the Cardinals. And this one, Mark, we're going to have to kind of just dissect this one a little bit because there's elements of it that are straightforward, and we're all having fun, it's just a game. And then there's some more troubling aspects. to this. Jersey on Johnny Newton is selected within the first 31 picks.

That was a sandwich prop that Greg put out there. He really loved this defender and Dan and Mark took him on it. And we were kind of caught off guard by the Newton prediction. And

here was an explanation from Ian Rappaport on Friday why Newton fell out of the first round. Let's start here which cost Greg the sandwiches. Johnny Newton considered by many to be a first round talent. That is a guy like that, fall to the second round. Still dealing with the effects of a Jones fracture at surgery in January.

He's got any medical red flags? Got any off-the-field issues? No, no, no. Whoa, whoa, wait a minute, though. You mentioned the Jones fracture. You and I dug in on our laptops after we did, remember we wanted to go do our own homework. Well, that was after that. And what is the suggestion that we take this off the board? Maybe a plane fast and loose. What I'm trying to say is, first of all, it was a rainmaker, too.

So you're costing people money. And you're costing Susie braces. But you also threw out that prop. And when we asked you if there were any medical red flags, you told us no. So you've told us no. So you've fed us erroneous information, but I just want to say, like, that's, that's a little bit dirty pool on top of everything else. I'd agree. But I fed you erroneous information that hurt me. I made it more likely that you wouldn't take it when I clearly was operating from a position of ignorance about his foot injury or else I wouldn't have done the thing in the first place.

I mean, you're, you're correct to point out I was an idiot, but I was not being a devious idiot. I made, I put myself in, you think I would have gone, uh, I think I would have gone that pick. I just watched the tape and I was like, this guy's a top 10 pick. When Mark and I are trying to decide whether to take you on the idea of him going top 31. Yeah. Um, if he does have a red flag medically. Yeah. That's going to make Mark and I more confident that. Oh, I see. We'll take you on the wager. Oh, I see. So when you caught. You did take him on it. You almost just, only after Mark and I did some research on the fly. But if we would have, as I typically do with what you say, Greg, by your word, we would have been cost sandwiches and we would have been

misled. And I think there's something else going on here potentially. The worst aspect to it is then you have to start to, you know, dial back through time. This, in fact, this very episode to start and wonder what Greg has said about anything. It's like, do we have to go do our own research on when he picks a winner or a loser. We should, but we have to go, you know, check those facts too, Greg. So it's a troubling... This is some Kaiser-Sose stuff going on here.

I mean, I own up to my mistakes. This was a space. I think I knew that at some point and somehow it was totally gone. I would not have put, you know, little Ollie in Worcestershire in England's Christmas gift on the line. mine if I had known about that necessarily, but I still can't believe it. And history is going to prove me right.

All the NFL teams are wrong. Johnny Newton's going to have a great career. How did you let this guy go? You finished six and six when you factor in all the sandwiches with one right. Finally, I almost had one of the all-time sandwich weekends. Let's start with almost. First round selection order. I said I thought it would be QB, QB, QB, QB, wide receiver, wide receiver,

or tackle. It ended up being QB, QB, QB, Wide receiver, tackle, wide receiver tackle. So was Jim Harbaugh and the charges? Yeah, one off. Not trading out of the pick and then a team, or not picking a wide receiver or a team trading in and taking a wide receiver that ultimately cost me. So I got

six out of seven, but I had to get them all. So I cost me two sandwiches. I had the chiefs trade up for a wide receiver. They indeed did do that and took, I believe, Xavier Worthy, And that trade, in my mind, I kind of saw, I saw them moving up to, you know, the middle of the first round or even getting really bold and moving up into the top 10. But they only moved up a few spots, but it was within the realm of the wager and they went and they got their man. So I got two sandwiches there.

A pro bowl player slash all pro slash all PFF team player is traded prior to midnight Friday, April 26th, 2004. for, you know, that the San Francisco 49er stuff was very interesting. But I also, I should have kept it open for the entire draft process. It wouldn't have mattered anyway, but nothing was done by the end of night one. So I lost two sangages. And then at the end of our Thursday podcast, when we recap night one, I actually, or excuse me, I had one extra one. Detroit drafts a player present at the draft.

I said there's no way, given the amount of people that were going to be. either the celebration that the Lions were going to, you know, throw it to someone's living room in central Arkansas. And I was proven absolutely correct because they made, who are they picking that? Terry and Arnold. And he walked. And the Lions fans went mad. And we had a great moment for everyone there. And I got two sandwiches there. That is an example of, you know, people can pick apart what we get right or wrong here there. But that is an example. of you having a hand on the pulse of not only the league, but how show business works and how, you know, this was the biggest crowd ever, live crowd ever. Detroit can own that.

And there's no way you disappoint the biggest crowd ever. And you were absolutely correct about that and well done. That was pretty savvy. And they needed a little luck for Arnold to drop down. I guess they could have taken Darius Robinson. My guess is by the time they and they traded up for that pick, I think there were only two players left. him and Darius Robinson, but maybe they just would have, just for showman's sake, taken Robinson no matter what. That is an impressive two pack of ones you got right there, Dan. I went nine and four.

You are the winner. I went nine and four. You could have helped you out. There was one trade. Trades kind of were the loser. We talked so much about trades leading up to the draft and nothing happened. But your jets traded Jonathan Franklin Myers to the Broncos for future six. So that was the only veteran trade I can think of.

And Nick Fortier does awesome work on go get my lunch.org, which is a living document of the history of this podcast in many ways, has changed some of the layout to the all-time standings and clarified it a bit. And I don't know if these standings are updated, the all-time standings, Greg, but I am now five games clear of you in the win column, 235 and 205 all time, 53.41 percent, your second to 52.55.5. 1%, 2.30 and 208. Wes,

and we miss Wes always, especially weekends like this. He finished 163 and 155, so he finished 51.26%. And Mark, you are at 196 and 225. You're sitting at 46.56%. I mean, okay, but I think if we were to track why that's happening to me on some level,

I always have to parse this, but I never took anyone on sandwiches early on in this and that's a bad strategy that's on me and then some of mine are just you know you're shooting for the moon I don't think you'd be fair in this particular edition you came in last

I think I've like almost regularly come in last and I think you'd have to question my overall team building and strategy I'm not about that and I'll just do this will be a nice roll call as we wrap up another season in a lot of ways of around the NFL that here are the guest pickers through the years.

By the way, Eric Roberts, who's correct, he's 3 and O, and ETP, and he doesn't want to pick because he doesn't want to mess with his perfect record, but he's not the only perfect record. Lakeisha Wesleying, the wonderful, beautiful Lakeisha, wife of Chris, 5 and 0 all time. Did anybody know?

5 in a lifetime. Here are the other names who have made sandwich props through the years and people that go back all the way to 2013 with us know all these names Lakeisha Roberts Cynthia Freeland Patra the Irishman Connie Fox

and even 25 and 25 all time in the sandwich props Connor Orr handsome Hank Kyle Brandt is 3 and 3 in the sandwich props Claibon TD our original producer

Erica Tamposi the gold standard Ali Ben Perry's O in one lifetime Kevin Danger Hansis my brother oh in one lifetime Spice rack

Z-Dampos Drizzle, Zach Dressler. I loved Zach. If you know, you know. Grave Digger went 0 and 7. And Sidney Carlson, the great iconic La Cid O'Nine lifetime. We might have to get her out of Utah just to get one right to get her out of the Schneide. I mean, oh and seven is, in O'Nine, is somehow better than 1 and 13 from the gold standard.

One in 13 is just a preposterous record. I had lunch with the gold standard recently. good guy good buddy love that dude too we've been very lucky to work with great people speaking of which you might have heard or read that Andrew Siciliano is no longer with NFL media which is a major loss for the company and and whatever comes next for Andrew that company gets better while our company didn't shout out to Andrew and hope to see him in Hermosa Beach in the near future. James Palmer also, who's been on the show, and he'll no longer be with the company and bigger and brighter things ahead for him as well. It's been a long year. It's been

at times a difficult year for NFL media, but those are two names we wanted to mention on the show because they were obviously huge contributors to what we did. I think also like any fan out there has logged hours watching both of those gentlemen and Andrew on, you know, every type of football show there is all season long. And a lot of times you're wondering, like, who are these media people? Are they good people behind the scenes? Are they quality people? Or is it just all, you know, the negative stories you hear? It's like, no, these, Andrew Ceciliano is one of the kindest, nicest people that's ever walked through our newsroom and literally knows everyone's name, talk to everyone, like treats everyone equal. And James Palmer, who was often not in

our news, but whenever you'd see him at events, like, the same goes for him. And it's like, you're losing not just incredible professionals, but high quality people. And they're not, you can't just replace these people. You don't replace them. They're just, they're not there. Yeah, I've watched a lot of NFL network over the years. Rich Eisen obviously had the massive lead of just like hours logged on NFL network for a decade. I bet Andrew, past them at some point. Andrew Siciliano has literally been on our air more than any person, I would guess, ever. Part of it is because of the name of our show.

Remember, we changed from around the league to around the NFL to synchronize with the show that Andrew was hosting around the NFL, which lasted a year or two. And then they kind of changed the name to NFL now as it happens. We got our name. And he was so welcoming on that. And I told him this, and it's true, like there's no one I respected more at the entire company in terms of the way he does his job and what a good job he does

and you heard that echoed from so many people. It's just an awesome host, just an awesome guy. All right. Okay. So we'll be back Tuesday and Thursday. It's our around the AFC and around the NFC specials and we'll hit obviously on every team and where they look and how they stand

as they come out of free agencies and now they've come out of the draft and they head into the off season and the programs and then the wheel turns, turns, turns. Thank you to everybody for listening. He'd the call.

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