NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 All-Pro Teams with Ollie Connolly

Episode Date: January 1, 2026

Gregg Rosenthal and Ollie Connolly make their selections for the 2025 NFL All-Pro teams starting with the offense and selecting the quarterback (01:30) followed by running back (06:20), wide receiver (14:50), tight end (24:30), and the offensive line (27:40). The show is wrapped up with the defensive side of the ball starting with the selection for EDGE (36:50) followed by defensive tackle (42:05), linebacker (46:45), cornerback (49:30) and safety (55:50). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Greg Rosenthal, here with Ali Connolly. We are the Saturday sickos, but it's not Saturday. It is a holiday, though. Happy New Year. to everyone. And yeah, we didn't want to delay this show any longer with the games on Saturday. Let's put it out, Ali, and let's talk about our all-pro teams for this year. I'm asking you, in your words, to be my Joe House to my Bill Simmons, as I try to construct an end-of-the-year all-pro team list before, you know, we're on to coach firings and playoff previews, and we forget all about all that stuff.

sadly not a drunk house episode i wish i was the takes would really be flying if i was labeled to have a couple of a couple of beers doing the show no i do find that some sometimes we just get lost in that like day-to-day shuffle and so much is going to start happening next week fast and uh we are going to do a quick final awards talk i'll do that with jordan and kaleen next week but i did want to go through position by position i love listening to that as as a podcast listener. And I love me some year-end lists of albums and books and everything. I start diving in.

And so I know I would like it as content. And so you can help me go through position by position. And I'll just bounce some ideas off you and we'll try to come up with our all-pro team. And we'll start a quarterback because, you know, we've probably talked about Drake May versus Matthew Stafford enough this week. I haven't really planted my flag of which way I, would go. First thing I would ask you, though, did you consider, you know, for your team anyone else other than those two in terms of first and second team? No, over the read optional

because we are weirdos on the read optional podcast, we do a third team, which always gives me a free out compared to the real true all pro team. So the only other guy I would have in that mix, I think would be Justin Herbert. I would consider that. But I think there's such a clear distinction between Stafford and May that he wouldn't get into this conversation. Yeah. Ultimately, I'm leaning May. And I don't like to just lean on the numbers, but when I'm struggling to separate them, I think that's a data point that I will use. And just for the listeners out there, for what it's worth, using the numbers that I was using on QB Island, in terms of QBR, May's first, EPA per play, second, success rate, second, first and completion percentage over-expected by a lot.

first in completion percentage, if you care about that, too. PFF had him fourth. Now, Stafford's numbers across the board there are all still outstanding. Fourth QBR, fifth EPA, third success. He actually is first in PFF. So the kind of subjective, you know, play-by-play grading, that's one advantage that he had. He's down at 14th in terms of completion percentage over-expected, so maybe not quite as consistently accurate.

And all of that makes sense to me. and ultimately I do it more off of just what I watched and who I think played better and I just I think you're splitting hairs I don't have like a big like difference between the two of them. I'm giving Drake May the slight edge and yes I grew up of Patriots fans

and maybe I'm a little biased not just because the numbers ultimately back up what I'm seeing but I do think a lot of the things that he's done with the people, pressure around him and the types of throws that he's making have been just like more consistently excellent and difficult. And he maybe doesn't carry as much a load as a veteran quarterback like Matthew Stafford does, but it's not that far off. And on a play-to-play basis, I just give him like

the smallest edge. But it's very small. See, I think he does carry just as much a load. The complexity of their system is actually shapeshifted more week-to-week than what the Rams have actually laid down for Stafford. To me, I found this really difficult. I really do put value in the fact they call the most valuable player award for MVP, so I do think about the value side rather than just most outstanding quarterback. And so I do the coward's way out thing of saying, well, I think May is more valuable that you couldn't just drop Stafford on the Patriots and get the same results.

You could probably get the Stafford results dropping May onto the Rams, but I'll give Stafford just down to down, excellent to the position. I'll put Stafford as the first team quarterback in May as the same. Okay. So Ali is, that is kind of cheating, though. I mean, so you are one of the three voters or whoever who gave Josh Allen the MVP last year. Because essentially the reason that Lamar Jackson won is, there were a couple of Ali Connollies out there that split the difference. And, no, I'm not doing it as a fairness thing, which I think some voters do do. I'm doing it strictly by the definition of the award versus the other award, which is just who is the best to operate

this position, I would have picked Lamar Jackson last season, which was the correct pick, the most exhilarating, exceptional anyone's ever played the position in human history and yet didn't come away with the award. I think it's so tight this season that May's value to a team that is just in a worse ecosystem, worse situation is more valuable than what Stafford has done with the Rams. I think you could drop four, five of the guys on that team get similar levels of production as Stafford has done, but you cannot knock just the consistency he's played with throughout the season for who has just been the best all-round quarterback. So we're confusing our producer Eric Roberts here

who, yeah, check us out on YouTube and he's putting up the graphics. You know, ultimately, I'm getting the final vote here, Eric. We're making one team on this show. Ollie's got his own show. Check out the read optional. And I do want to hear Ollie's picks for a lot of these but it's more that I'm bouncing

off of him. And the fact that he tried to split the baby tells me that either way is fine. I didn't need to be told that anyways. I think you've got to go MVP and all team all, you know, first pro, you you know, All-Pro first team the same. And so I'm giving Drake May the little bit of an edge.

So Drake May is the official NFL Daily All-Pro, but it's fine either way. We'll talk about that enough, and we'll hit Jordan and Colleen where they go for MVP. Running back was as difficult. A little buff. It's crazy that A-chan and Jonathan Taylor probably can't even get serious consideration.

Like, I have a hard time putting H. Chan over Jamir Gibbs, if Jamir Gibbs is going to be third in this competition. But my God, A. Chan had an incredible season. And it's reached levels where he's just a player that's gotten better, I think. Tell me if I'm wrong. Like, where have you seen his development? And yet he's not on the top two podium for me. But I do just want to give A. Chan a little bit of love before we move on.

Yeah, between the tackles running, it used to be with him. If you just get him in space, there's a clear runaway. He's clearly one of the most explosive plays in league. Now he actually does thump between the tackles. It'll square up to people and knock them in the hole. That just gives him more of like a 360 degree ability to attack a defense, terrifies everyone. You get one little crease and then he's just gone. So, yeah, tell me if I'm forgetting anyone.

But yeah, Jonathan Taylor, outstanding season, especially in the first half. But to me, it then comes down to Bajon, CMC, and Gibbs. Even though Gibbs might be the guy that I would hand the ball to, if I just hadn't to have one run to save my life like if you need eight yards even though he might be that guy i think the way the season ended obviously he's impacted by what's around him but the way the season ended and just how stupendous that pejohn and cmc are he does not make it into the top two teams for me is he your solid third to me the toughest decision is going who is one who is two i i think it's tighter between mcalfrey and james cook than it is between mcalfrey

and Jamaica Gibbs. Ooh, interesting. Okay. And that's a fair point that I didn't even mention the league leader in rushing yards, James Cook, who does everything that is absolutely

asked for him. Did you ultimately go with CMC or Cook? And is that given away that Bajan is your first team guy? I think Bajan is the first team guy. I ultimately went with McCaffrey. Again, I'm able to cow it out

with the third team on my own show. But this is the tides. those four, you can just throw it up and come down in any order and feel pretty comfortable. It's as stacked as I think a position has probably ever been where you're just kind of pick him favour to that point. Cook, I love, I think he's the most aesthetically pleasing running back to watch. And he gets into this one-off shot, I think, with Jonathan Taylor, where it's just straight running back and you remove some of the receiving side of the game.

And then it's just Cook versus Taylor, and I would just edge it to cook in that department. Whereas with McCaffrey and Bejohn, you bring in all the receiving side of the game, which is where McCaffrey has a pretty clear edge. Well, this is where the Joe House comparison really falls apart because he doesn't have some separate podcasts where he's actually going deeper and longer. But, yeah, my official choice, I think, because I don't think you're going to talk me out of it, is going to be Bajan over CMC, just in terms of raw numbers. Bajon Robinson has 2,249 yards from scrimmage. A little under the radar, he is only 174 yards off of second all time. and he's only, quote unquote, 254 yards off of Chris Johnson's all-time record,

which is like, okay, that's crazy, 259 yards, four years. I mean, he got within 15 yards of that last week. So it's possible that he could break a great mark and obviously he's getting an extra game to do it. You know, it's the receiving, and we'll get into why CMC is so incredible. But it's probably the receiving efficiency. Not that, like, maybe he's, you can talk to me about the route running and the types of things they're asking Bejohn to do, but just the efficiency that when Bejohn Robinson has touched the ball as a receiver this year, like he's averaging more yards per catch than Brock Bowers and Fanon and Khalil Shakir and Trey McBride. Like, he is getting almost 11 yards per catch on the season on top of, you know, the efficiency that he has running the ball and you saw it on Monday night, turning all those potential.

negative games into five, six, and seven. So to me, he's kind of checking all those boxes of crazy efficiency along with the crazy explosiveness. And it's also just trusting your eyes that as awesome as CMC is, Bjaon has the advantage of youth. And that I think he is in his absolute super duper prime on a snap-to-snap basis. And that just gives him a little bit of an edge

over an epic Christian McCaffrey season. and I would say degree difficulty both in what's asked of him within the offense as a route runner where he plays with a true receiver flexed outside the formation no one else is doing that all these guys catch stuff from the backfield

maybe they wiggle to the slot or something like that he plays all over the formation as a true receiver then in the run game he's playing in the most predictable offense in around six years by formation and motion you know exactly where the ball is going

it's why he's hit at the line of scrimmage so consistently and yet it doesn't matter he always makes one guy miss and if you make one guy miss against him, it's going to be a, you know, everyone's hairs on fire for at least eight, nine yards and it could even go to the house. So the degree of difficulty in what's asked of him in the passing game, coupled with the predictability of the run game and everyone knows what he's going to be. To me, it's just extraordinary while he's done this season. Yeah, we're watching him

every week. So it really isn't Troy Aikman talking about him on Monday night during a great performance. But it does help, you know, make me even feel a little better that, you know, when Troy is like talking about Barry Sanders and he is loath to go too crazy on the competition, and is comparing Bajan to him that I do think he's the right choice. What was the offense six years ago that was more predictable than Zach Robinson?

Any of the Arthur Smith ones? Turn around and Derek Henry Wise. Well, you know, there was one that Bajan was in a few years ago. I guess that's less than six. But, um, okay, so let's talk about CMC's season, just raw numbers, 399 touches

right now, which is just crazy. And I thought it would start breaking down maybe by the end of this season, but I think he's actually cutting sharper and looking more explosive right now than he at, than he has all season long, too. So it hasn't seemed to wear on him at all. And his receiving numbers, he has 96 catches for 870 yards and 7 touchdowns just as a receiver. So that's, it's like in the ballpark, depending on how much you, you know, value yards per catch or touchdowns. It's like, he's basically production-wise, been around Justin Jefferson as a receiver while still having more than than Sequin or Gibbs as a

rusher. It's not like his rushing numbers have been low. Obviously on a per rush basis, it's not as crazy. But just the intelligence and the way that you can build essentially the best offense in the league around this one guy is what gets him solidly on the second team for me, even if he's not going to go over Bajan. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, it's one where the advanced metrics are oddly unkind to him.

and it almost makes no sense to me some of the rush out over expectation. I don't know if the expectation factors in like rotating the offensive line, guys taking massive L's up front. Again, predictability that they have in the run game this season compared to previous years

trying to deal with all the constraints and concerns at quarterback and then obviously the old line. So I think he's in kind of his own bucket with some of the advanced metrics and it's a straight eye testing that without him, that would not have been functional

for probably 10 weeks this season. And for at least six of those weeks, seven of those weeks, it was purely, we just got to find a way to get him in a matchup and that's how we move the ball down the field. And when eyes go to him through motion or movement, we can finally funnel the ball

somewhere else in the field to keep us whole for the entire game. So him carrying that kind of loan through Mac Jones to Purdy's return when Purdy was not as his best when he first came back as it's just as good as it gets. Yeah. And he's over 2,000 yards from scrimmage for a third time in his career. And I don't think he was a lock Hall of Famer before this year. If he had never fully come back from this last injury, which felt on the table, it would have been an interesting case because he really had just popped up for four seasons in his whole career three outrageous one which was pretty close to outrageous but then this this one puts it over the top just carrying a team to me that is this good and i like what you say about aesthetically

pleasing it's crazy though because about james cook going back to him because he just looks like dalvin cook i mean we just had the same right i mean looks the exact same as dalvin cook to me i don't know if that's just never i've never seen anything quite like that all right let's Let's go to receiver. Puka and Jackson Smith and Jigba. Sometimes in these exercises, we just skip past the guys who are obvious, and they seem like the two obvious first teamers. Now they do three guys on the first team, so we will too.

But what stands out to you most between these Puka, this Puka and JSN season? And I'm relieved. We don't have to choose between them at wider season. It doesn't really matter. It's very helpful. JSN just becoming an all-around threat at all three levels, quick-in-breaker, the intermediate,

more timing-based stuff, and obviously you can just rip it down the field on the deep ball. I never thought that would become his game. I thought he would max out as kind of a beatie guy,

slightly overstated because he flashes on red zone every week with a deep shot. Him being a chain mover, as well as the explosive threat guy, just did not think we'd see that in his career. And so it's to his credit,

whether it's press coverage, zone, stuff, whatever is demanded of him in the route path. He just gets himself wide open and then you can't touch him once he's deep in the stem. Yeah, and Puka...

I mean, you can say a lot about this season and the contested catches and his ability to continue to add elements to his game where he is just more explosive than ever, that he is doing everything in that offense. Like, he has added something to his game each and every season. But the biggest compliment I would have is I will go to my grave believing he did catch that ball on the sideline. And I know there's a freaking screenshot where the ball is away from his body.

but I feel like there is because we're slowing down everything so much he caught that thing like he caught that thing and you can have control of something and that's for a split second like there was no way he was never not catching that ball because he's freaking Pooka Nakua and he did have firm grasp with that and he does have the and it's just his body control and everything that he does I just think receivers and every position is like that like the next generation is always better And for a fifth round pick, for me to be taking the position to, like, new heights is just outrageous from Pooka Nukuha this year. I mean, this is the same stuff going through all these years now, same with Tyreek, who obviously followed the draft for different reasons.

But year after year, you can just find, like, Hall of Fame caliber plays seemingly in the fourth fifth round at this position. It's crazy. Yeah, I think it's harder to find the third pick here. So I did a social video a few weeks ago, or they clipped one. where I had Nico Collins, maybe, as my third All-Pro. And I love me some Neo-Collins. Like, if I'm just starting the team with a wide receiver, it doesn't take long to get to Nico Collins for me.

It's Justin Jefferson, it's Chase. And you've got to put the two guys we just talked about right there, obviously. But, like, I'm thinking Nico Collins in that category, and he's probably next for me. And at the time, you know, Jamar Chase hadn't put up quite his big numbers. And I didn't notice, but this, I checked it yesterday, because I was looking at something else, and suddenly I have about 700 comments telling me

I'm the biggest dumbass ever. And it's been viewed by like 130,000 people. I didn't even realize of just people thinking this is an outrageous take. I am leaning Jemar Chase now as my first team, because I don't want to punish him ultimately for having to not play with Joe Burrow for a chunk of the season, and he still is Jemar Chase. So I give him a slight edge over Niko,

who's going to be on my second team. But I am curious just what you saw out of Nico and how you tried to divide up this third spot on the first team, because they're obviously not the only two candidates here. Are you positive those comments already late to that video? I mean, no, they're just like going. Why are you saying? What else would they be about? It could be taking general shots at you and, you know, how you hit again is. No, it was a lot. It was a lot of people going back and forth against each other. but it was a lot of just like Nico disrespect that they didn't think he was in the class.

Absolutely, assanae. I cannot tell you how constipated their passing game is because they trust absolutely nothing going on with just the general operation of the offense and so much of his production is tied to the formation skinny post, you are going to get your head rocked. That is just the design of the system.

You've got to climb over a lineback a safety is going to hit you square in the chest. Are you willing to do that five, six, seven, eight times a game and hold on to the ball. And there's every now and again there's a play against Jackson where he can grab it and make something happen after the catch. But for the most part, he's like a catch and impact type player

where it's just big body go up and get it and make the team look right, even though it's not open by design. So to me, he is when you're listing, who would he start a team with, you named Jefferson and Chase. He would clearly be the third guy. I think there's a compelling argument for him to be

on the third guy on this team over Jamar Chase just because of the degree of difficulty with Sastafin. Okay, this is what this show is going to be about. Let's go through the other potential guys on the second team because we're going to award six guys here. So Puka and JSA are locked in. Chase and Nico, my other first team is probably going to be between the two of them. Who are the other options?

We got Amon Rae St. Brown. We have, you know, we got to mention the Cowboys guys. George Pickens, by the numbers, is right there. I have a hard time with him maybe at this high, but maybe. Citi Lamb certainly. Justin Jefferson, I can't ignore him. despite just not having the production this year, that's probably where my short list ends.

Where did you think about? How are you sorting these guys? Help influence me, because now I might go, Nico, first team, now that you're making me feel better about it. I went with Pickens on my first team because I think he's had the most games this season of all these guys, including Puka,

where it's just straight unguardable. There's just five games this season where it's like no one can get near him. He's living in his own space for the entire game. And I can't think of anyone else, being quite at that level. Some people have better production in individual games, but just full on,

we have no one-on-one match-up to deal with this guy. We can't double the guy because we're afraid of CD-Lamp, and he just roast people for five games. So that's where I put picking slightly above everyone else. I think a Monrod numbers-wise gets there, Chase, you mentioned. I would have Tett McMillan in that. I think Devonta Smith has been unbelievable this season.

He's lost in the shuffle because the Eagles passing game is such a national nightmare for everyone. And then there's all the AJ Brown stuff that we just forget how dominant Devonter Smith is. So that was kind of my shortlist. Ooh, I like that choice. And you're sneaky giving a rookie of the year take maybe with T-Mack in terms of what he meant to that offense

because suddenly it's Tyler Shuck. Which is laughable, by the way, because Shook has been really, really good and is really exciting for the future. It's a full season award. Just deciding this thing, the final three weeks of the season, same with MVP. I know Claiborne is on this island with me,

but to strip away 13 weeks to just decide the final few weeks, the season who the offensive rookie the year is a joke i'm with you when it comes to shook because when we're talking i know what patrick is talking about in the terms of the mbp award and that is unfair but drake may and matthew stafford have been outstained like drake may has been outstanding the whole year i do think games played matters here for a quarterback to win an award for any player to win an award in those nine games he's got to be one of the greatest of all time like one of the greatest rookie seasons we've ever seen. He'd have to be like Dan Marino rookie season,

but only over nine games or whatever. And Chuck isn't even close to that. Like you could still make the argument if you want, like Jackson Dart versus like Chuck for the season. It's not crazy to me. There's not an obvious choice. I'm leaning McMillan for a rookie of the year. We'll talk about that.

That is interesting what you say. Look, Harold Fanon Jr.'s like got a top 10, tight end, you know, receiving yards in the history of the game right now. Now, Loveland, like, there's a lot of guys. Loveland and Warren, I guess, has fallen off. But I have a hard time with that, too. Okay, with your input, I will put George Pickens on my second team. I had him there.

He was right on the borderline, but I'm at least going to put him on my second team. I am going Nico Collins on my first team. You made me feel better about it. So I'm going to go Puka, Jackson Smith and Jigba, and Nico Collins with my first team. And then I'm going Jamar Chase, Amon Ra, St. Brown, who at this point, I don't think it's fair to even say he's, like, underrated, but he's not just a lion's, like, slot scheme merchant. He is a very unique player, and so he's on the second team,

and that's where I put George Pickens to. So there's our first and second team, wide receivers. What did you think about this Amman Ra season, other than kind of ruining the mini-Lions dynasty by doing the Trump dance? Yes. It hasn't been the same. that at least takes about a first team consideration for me.

The season imploded from there, and then Dan Campbell, a guy I love, I know everyone loves, but kind of disgrace himself down the stretch of the season by turn the lines into this vertical passing attack whilst having no interior offensive line and rotating his centres. One of the silliest things, any coach, and this is a coach of one of the sharpest brains in all of football,

to try and pivot the offense that way, which limits what Amman Ra can do was just laughable. So among the circumstances, I think we can only really go off the pre-Trump dance portion of the season when the offense was designed, differently and was featuring a Monroe Moor and was, you know, played his strengths and he fried everyone in front of him. Okay. So we give him his love and he gets to the second team. I like, I like the Devante Smith shout out as like a third team type of guy in this season. All right,

let's do a tight end and then we'll take a break. Trey McBride has the numbers. He broke the all-time receptions record for tight ends. He was the offense statistically. He is far and away the choice. And then I think of what they ask them to do as a complete player, blocker. It seems like it's one of the more obvious consensus first team picks at any position. Do you agree? I agree. I don't think it's all that close. Okay. Then who, who's your second team? This is one where I was like, oh, I'm not, I don't really know where to go here. You could, you could make the case for about five different guys. So who is, who is on your short list? and where did you go in the end?

Yeah, we've been cleaned out by injuries, I feel, in this category, which makes it really difficult. I ultimately went with George Kittal, who I know hasn't played as many games as other guys, which kind of, you know, dings some of my other arguments about what you should do with awards over the course of a season. But when he has played, he's just been a tier above everyone, including McBride. He's a significantly better blocker than McBride, too. He does make them completely whole in the run-pass conflict for everyone and makes that offense

singing a completely different clip when it's him and McCaffrey and you stick together. So I just went with Kittle over everyone else. Yeah, because the other guys would be like, I mean, Brenton Strange missed a lot of time. If he had played the whole season, I don't think he would be out of the mix. Darno Washington would be in the mix, I think, just for second team. If Kittle hadn't played all season, then you get to the rookies. Like, you know, Loveland wouldn't be that crazy of a pick.

But ultimately, I think it's all of a stretch. I was like you. I thought Kittle ultimately is so much better than everyone else. It's kind of like I was saying with Tyler Shuck that like you would have to be so much better than everyone else for your games. And Kittles did still play 10 games. It's not like he didn't play for much of the season.

It's interesting to me you would say that you would have taken him over McBride if he had stayed healthy for the season. It's kind of crazy that we've gotten two like vintage total peak Kittle seasons right now at this stage of his career. Like guys, I mean, considering, how much they've put on him over the years.

This is usually when tight ends would start declining, and he really hasn't, at least when he's been on the field. Yeah, the decline with him is, is he on the field or not? If he's on the field, he's one of the five, six most valuable offensive plays in the league. It's just whether he stays healthy or not. And it's been awesome to see McBride, like, kind of sustain his gains and continue to improve. That's one of the hardest things to do as a pro,

and it's what puts you in Canton right now, and it's crazy to think about. but Faye McBride is very young, but this is what Hall of Fame tight-end careers look like early in their career. So that's the type of start that McBride has had. Let's take a break. We're going to come back.

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and your weaknesses and I'm sick of pretending I have super hot takes on offensive line at this point I really do want to dive more into the all 22 and like going to back over this season when we get to the off season. But with this blur of the season and I watch all the games as quickly as I can and stuff, it's like I have general feelings about who's played well on the offensive line. But I'm going to lean on you and your picks because I'm curious. These will be fresh to me. And it is a lot of the same names that you would think at tackle I think would pop up.

Like Trent Williams started off the season poor, but by the end of the season he just seemed like Trent Williams again, which is hard to. ever leave off. Same thing with Tristan Worf's after an early start, like, you know, wasn't healthy, but then he was very much Tristan Worth. Garrett Bowles is a guy maybe that stood out to me that had a really good year, but I'm curious where you went for tackle. I appreciate your humility.

You could do the traditional vote to think of just pull up PFF and treat it as gospel and file your ballot, which I think is what most people do. I went with Bowles and Tristan Wirth is my starting time. Well, so then I didn't, who needs you anyways? I nailed it. Oh, wait. So that's over Penae Sewell this year. And why, okay, why would that be?

Sool has had now back-to-back seasons away in Pass Pro, he just isn't the caliber of play. He leaps off the screen so much in the run game, particularly when they feature him, when he's a puller and a mover in space. He's so clearly head and shoulders above everyone else in the league as a mover in space. But he just has so many major Ls in Pass Pro when it's straight one-on-one. The other guys get caught up when there's some kind of two-on-one conflict. You put two guys over and they've got to figure it out. It becomes more about the protection plan than just those guys are straight-up.

pass pro players, Saldos has more losses in straight one-on-one pass pro than the other top guys in the league. No, if I actually had a vote and not that voters are listening to this show, maybe a few. You know, I would, that's, those are the positions, and I would try to do this with all the positions to some degree, but where I would just talk to people inside the teams who have been game planning and preparing and watching and who's giving you the most, like all that sort of stuff versus, yeah, checking PFF or asking. See, that that is, difficult, though, because Penny Sewellis, when you have to game plan for, whereas I don't think you go in worried about Garrett Bowles, you just can't get past the guy for the entire season.

He's gotten, yeah, what has stood out to you about him as he's gotten older in his career? Because he does seem like someone who, his development arc has been really fascinating. But now he's at the point where, yeah, he might be the best, like, past protector in the entire league. Yeah, and he's not as flashes of the guys. Trent is obviously more flashier. has more of a size speed combination doing than Garrett Bowles is even at his size

what he has going for him is he's in the best protection based unit in the entire league Sean Payton is just the best at divisive protection plans the interior is outstanding but he gets isolated a lot one on one on his own

to one side of the formation and he's just never wrong and that is the job ultimately the end of the day is just stay in front of the blocker doesn't have to be as flash as everyone else when you've got to be aggressive and engage early against someone

he does that stuff when you got to sit back and play more patient football he can do that too so he can just play in a varied number of ways and he just doesn't let guys past him, which is ultimately the job. Yeah, he's been that dude too when you, when you hear from people that are around the Denver Broncos, like he is maybe the biggest leader on that team. He is kind of Mr. Denver Broncos, certainly for the

often. So yes, Garrett Bowles, Denver Broncos, Tristan Worf's, of course, the left tackle now of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And he's just someone that I don't think you need. to have as great an eye for offensive line play when it comes to him. When I watched Tristan Wirthes, I just think, like, oh, yeah, that's exactly what you want, like, in a left tackle. That's kind of teach tape. That's athleticism. It's everything that you want.

And I know he just missed Week 17 for the Bucks. He missed a couple games early, but ultimately he hasn't missed that much of the season. It sounds like he will be back on Saturday for the Buccaneers for what could be Gene Decker-Hoff's final game. but we won't know. Big news breaking on, what was it, Wednesday, here. But yeah, what stands out for you for Tristan Wurfs? Worf's is just the combination of intellect and size and speed.

It just should not be allowed to be in one package. You should have to take one of those out to make it a fair fight for everyone else. In the run game, everything is on the menu. He can kill people on the backside to have people pull around him. He can pull into space himself, opens up the screen game for them entirely. So he is truly like in that bucket of Penny Sewell where he's a weapon offensive line, which is so rare to find at a tackle spark. you're so worried about Passpro.

It's hard to make that guy be a featured weapon. He can do that stuff. And then he just also doesn't make any errors or mental mistakes in Pass Pro whereas we'll you get more of those breakdowns. Yeah. And like it's one thing when they're missing their guards. It's another thing like last week. You could really see it when they're missing Tristan worse.

I think that was a big reason why they lost that game against the Dolphins. All right. Who are your choices? Give me the players and the teams for the interior offensive line. I'm handing this one over to Ollie Connolly. Okay, we'll start at Guard. We'll go with Joe Tunney from the Bears at Guard, and we'll go with Quinn Miner.

It's the guard from the Demer Broncos. Okay, so you think that Quinn Miners, who I know you have loved his development, has kind of kept up his run blocking more than anything as, like, the definitive run blocker in the NFL right now. He is definitely the definitive run blocking NFL. Just one-on, head up, man-to-man football in the trenches. He controls big human beings better than anyone else in the league.

and I actually think the separation with him to every of the line position this season is the biggest gap we have, the biggest goal. You can make a case for different right tackles, different left tackles. He is like streaks ahead, I think, of every other guard in the league because now he's added so much more balance

and fleet footedness in Passpro where he used to not lose the initial phase of the rep, but as guys would throw moves at him, he would kind of get lost and confused. Now he just doesn't let anyone by him for entire stretches, and then he is an absolute mauler in the run game. He moves the pile individually

more than any of the player in the league. So when you combine those two things together, you get the all-around guard that you need. Not quite the overall skill set as some of maybe the most explosive guards in the league, but for what he's asked to do, he's doing it a complete maximum capacity. And there's no one else I see in the league doing it quite at that level as consistently week-to-week. And you've got to give Ryan Poles, or maybe it's Ben Johnson really pulling the strings, but ultimately the Bears executing that trade for Joe Tuny.

And you think about all the different reasons why the Chiefs fell apart this year. Like, trading Joe Tooney and giving Trace Smith all that money, it'd have been part of it. Like, I get it in terms of age. But it's interesting to me that you think he ultimately, even though there's a golf between minors and the rest of the guards, deserves that spot as kind of the guy who helped ignite a running game and really a transformation on that offensive line,

which really came, especially after the buy week. Joe Tooney, getting it done, possibly got to make the, speaking of the Hall of Face, Like, him doing it now for another team, I think, is going to be a big feather in his cap one day when they're talking about him for Canton, too. Yeah, and a bit of a mere culprit pick for me. I like to do that with these teams. When I just get takes wrong to open the season, I reward the people for myself being wrong. I thought that was a reasonable trade. I thought he really backslid last season was kind of getting through on some of the name brand value.

Looking at how he's played this season, I wonder if he was fully healthy at the end there with the Chiefs, not just when he was forced to play out at tackle, which he couldn't play in space. like that he just has such a beautiful like old man vet savvy game in passbro particularly gets away with all kinds of dirty deeds inside to just end the rep as quickly as possible then you mention the run game stuff no one is more sound an assignment base than Joe tuning the run game and he has a I would say an easier assignment down to down this one like quentin Nelson it's so double team base he's getting an awful lot of help but he's just been as clean as anything throughout the season I love also that you're going so hard in the paint for minors because I don't think his his pff grade is incredible because they knock them for pass pro.

And so we're planting our flag here. All-Pro first team, Quinn Miners, by a lot. Who's your center for the All-Pro team? Aaron Brewer from the Dolphins. Has to be. We've given him a lot of pop this year. He was on our all underrated team. And I do think that one has sort of caught fire in terms of the cognizanty,

not necessarily from here. But I do think people are recognizing Aaron Brewer, Miami Dolphins, a lot went wrong for the Miami Dolphins this year, but the development, not just of Aaron Brewer, becoming an all-pro type player at center, but the development of Patrick Paul at left tackle was definitely a positive, although I feel like he's had some up-and-down games lately, but overall he's been good at left tackle. Not an all-pro, though. Aaron Brewer is. We've got to get to defense. We spent a lot of time on offense. Let's go to Edge. Annually is the deepest position. Feels unfair that there's only two edge players. It's like you almost want to find a spot for everyone else. I guess we got to go top down because in the end, as deep as it is, maybe I'm wrong, but I actually didn't have that hard of time with my first team. I think it is Miles Garrett and Will Anderson.

Am I crazy? Oh, well, you say, Will Anderson. I think Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons, I think. See, okay, I mean, he was my solid number three. And so that was my thing was, I figured if, If Micah had stayed throughout, and maybe I'm knocking him too much for the injury, that it's Garrett and Micah, and Will's a nice, like, kind of third, but because of the injury, I just bumped up Will and moved Micah Parsons down.

I guess make the case for why missing, how many games is it now for Michael Parsons, isn't that big of a deal? Because, yeah, when he was on the field, I think it's pretty clear one and two, him and Garrett. I think it's perfectly valid to have Will Anderson ahead of him. I would say that they've been comparable production-wise. There's a slight added benefit of the defense one plays on versus the defense sealer plays for where Mike was the entire engine that made the thing run when he comes up the field to see what that really looks like when Jeff Hathley's left to his own devices without maybe the most dominant pass rush for in all of football. I just think with Garrett and

Parsons, these are the two Hall of Famers at the peak of their powers and everything else is kind of overthinking it. I adore Will Anderson. I love him so much. He is. as technically sound as any edge defender we have in all of football, he is a dominant one-on-one pass rush. He is as good at run defending as any player in the league. So putting him there would be no shame. And if he's played more games, I think it's entirely justified.

I just think Parsons and Garrett have been as good as you could ever hope a pass-ritcher to be that I just put them there. Yeah, and I hate, and I do kind of like putting Parsons in some way on the first team because it pushes back against, you know, just some of the like light grumbling over the year, you know, during the season, it was like, was he worth the trade or, or Cowboys fans or even Bears fans trying to say, like, you know, because the sack production wasn't

there early, although it got there in the end anyways, that he somehow wasn't Micah Parsons and that he didn't make a massive impact on their run defense, which I think you've seen, uh, over the last couple of weeks. So ultimately he plays 14 games and Anderson will play 17 and it's not that huge a difference. Parsons was a little limited on his snap count early. I don't know. I kind of like rewarding just total greatness.

You maybe have convinced me to just go Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons still as a first team because years from now I'll just want to see that extra all-team all-pro first team.

Not that my vote actually counts. All right, let's put Micah and Miles Garrett as the first team and anyone listening will know that I have Will Anderson

as a very solid 1B number three. And the hard part I guess is going number four. I'll throw out some names. Nick Benino is certainly in there. One of the things I like about him, which I mean, I like a lot of things about him,

but like his time to pressure just stands out compared to the rest of the league, like where that matches what your eyes are that when he gets the pressures, it's not the same as the other pressures because he's there and like the play is just ruined. Even compared to Miles Garrett and Parsons, Like when he gets there, it's there right of the way.

Aiden Hutchinson, I think, fell off a little bit down the stretch, but still an outstanding season. I think Josh Hines Allen had a great season and closed very strong. Daniel Hunter and Byron Young, if you're going to like a third team, are players worth mentioning at least? Is there anyone I'm forgetting there? And where are you leaning for that last spot? Jared verse, I would throw in there as well.

I think it came down to me. really difficult to pick between all those guys it came down between Benito Josh Hines Allen and Hutchinson which is again as a three-man shortest for one spot it's just really difficult to pick those guys apart I would maybe lean Hutchinson but I think the impulse of Benito

was probably as I think about it more the right one he was my you know and that was my list in order Benito Hutch Heinz Allen as the next three it sucks because this is where I wish there was and you have a third team

so you can give a third team But I just wish there was an extra spot for Edge. I just feel like they deserve it more than like a second safety or off-ball linebacker. It is difficult because you want to reward the players who you feel don't get enough publicity for being excellent. Josh Hyand-Ellen is so unbelievably dominant, and I don't think many people even know who he is at this stage of his career.

But it just so happens that Miles Garrett and Micahubon's are famous because they are just the best of what they do. So what can you do about that? And Benito this year, he's had a couple quieter games in December, but overall that is where, leaning, even though Hutchinson first half of the season, would have been on my second team. I'm going Nick Benito, also because I'm afraid of him because he tweeted negative things about me.

Defensive tackle, maybe you said guard was the biggest gap from one to two. Could I argue that Jeffrey Simmons, the gap at defensive tackle, maybe from one to two? Maybe not an overall play, but just in terms of, I feel like he obviously, to me, has to go on the All-Pro team. And then the other spot, I wasn't really sure about, is there, do you think there is that big of a gap? Or is Jeffrey Simmons for all the big play, like he sometimes is not a big play merchant, but like his great snap, his 20 best snaps are the best 20 snaps of like any defensive linemen. Whereas down-to-town consistency, maybe you can convince me that other defensive tackles are in the mix there too. No, I still think his down-to-down consistency is outstanding, frankly.

his average time to pressure the season is 2.58 seconds that is by far the biggest gap of any interior defensive alignment it's almost half a second quicker than everyone else in the league over than christian barmore who plays real snaps so it just shows how quick and dominant needs off the ball the other guy I had in the first team who I think is just having one of the most underrated seasons we've had in a long time is cam haywood with the Steelers for him to still be doing it at the level he is at this stage of his career playing hundreds of snaps more than the other guys in the list to attend to 12, 13 years younger than him is one of the wildest things I've ever seen. He is still the fulcrum of the defense without him, the entire thing collapses. You watch the steals against the Browns and it's just him and Highsmith trying to make up for everyone else losing their mind

every the plane being in the wrong spot. I think he has been so, so dumb, and to do it at this stage of his career, I think it's pretty close with him in Simmons. There may be a slight gap to the second team. So I had Simmons kind of by himself and then, yeah, I had Hayward, and it was just a list,

but this was the order. of Rough Border. Hayward. Our guy, Kobe Turner, on the all underrated team, we could give him even more love, had him in the mix. Leonard Williams is still Leonard Williams

and playing well, having a good season. Zach Allen has like the splash production. Give a little love to Jordan Davis in Vita Vaya, maybe, if you're getting further down. But ultimately, I think we parked our car in the same garage,

which is Cam Hayward. I don't know if there's anyone on a long list that you just want to give love or if any of those names stood out to you. But just the fact they even wrote down Jordan Davis on the long list was fun. I think on that second team, for me, it was the two Seattle guys.

I think Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy, comfortably the number two guys think. Murphy's intelligence is one of the most jarring things I've seen in a young play coming to the league at that position. When he has all the physical capabilities of someone like a Jalen car, the size, weight, speed, phenom,

that's all in there. He's just so far ahead of guys where he's at in his career in terms of his development, addressing blocks, taking on blocks, double team, single stuff. It's just freaky to watch him play at the moment. So that could maybe be something where by the end of next season, it's like, oh, this is the guy.

We were looking for Jalen Karts to be a down-to-down, absolute destroyer. It's actually Byron Murphy. But that has happened over the course of the final 10 weeks of the season. And Leonard Williams, if you think of his career playing, you know, for those two New York teams, and he still is getting a little lost in the shuffle in Seattle just because there's so many good players there.

there's still like another world where I just feel like he would have been more recognized consistently throughout his career and would have a better Canton case in the end where right now just knowing how these things go

I don't think he's going to get seriously considered because he's always like the fourth best interior defense of line which is an incredible thing to do for 10 straight years and is probably worthy of that And now he's fallen into this spot where you get with like the March Madness tournament

where it's like the coach and them boys is like how people describe teams in March Madness. It's like well Mike McDonald is the guru. So the defense is good guys Mike McDonald is there. And then you rattle off maybe five, six players and maybe he's the fourth or fifth player in the list. That thing does not roll without Leonard Williams in my mind. He would need, I don't know, like a Super Bowl MVP with a strip sack fumble, I think, to actually wind up, you know, getting the case. That is not off the table this season, I guess.

but he's unfortunate in the sense that I think that by next season he won't even be the best interior defensive line on his own team even though he's won the five best in the league. He's never made all pro. That's crazy. I thought he did last year

because there was like a little bit of like Leonard Williams' defensive player of the year buzz, and he did get 14th place in defensive player of the year. So not a lot of buzz, but only a couple pro goals was almost defensive rookie of the year.

Just the guy that yes, is not created by Mike McDonald because he's been the same guy basically his whole career. Let's go to the linebackers. This is your favorite position. I don't know if it was obvious. I feel like who stood out the me to most this year when he's on the field. It was Devin Lloyd, so I'm not going to knock him for his injured weeks. And then I think it's running back, Zach Bond for me. Do you want to make a case for anyone else on the first team? No, those two, I think are the correct answers. You get more of the splash play.

with Devin Lloyd Bourne gives you some splash plays. He's the best all-around linebacker in the league when Fred Warren is not healthy and playing, so Bourne is the obvious one. Then I think it's Lloyd, but it's a pretty small margin for me to the second team where I had Aziz Al-Shayir, who I still think is understated

for how good of just a player he is, because he's more of like a brand as being like this absolute freakazoid on the field trying to decapitate everyone in his line of sight. Then my other second team guy was Devin Bush, who we've always, the cognoscenti, you mentioned, talks about Carson-Swesti throughout the season, who's had a sensational rookie season,

I think is the defensive rookie of the year, but overlooked just how excellent down-to-down Devin Bush is beside him, yeah. Wow, what a career arc. And I was afraid, I mean, he shows up every week, including that, he was great in that Steelers game last week. First of all, we agree too much. I purposely didn't listen to your show

just to, you know, have my own things. But I guess that's good that we're agreeing a lot. I had Lloyd and Bonn, and then I had Jordan Brooks and Al-Shaier. Jordan Brooks, to me, just, he is, from that position, what I want is someone I see every single week, like, making a real impact and is consistent. So maybe I'm overrating him slightly, but I had him in Alshayir, and that was my second team, but a nice season for Jordan Brooks, too, coming from Seattle and going to Miami. I think a little bit of inflated production with Jordan Brooks. When the defensive line is getting bench pressed into your lap, you really do rack up the tackle numbers, makes people inflate.

actually how well you play. Devin Bush hasn't been fortunate with that because defensive line is completely dominant. You can just kind of play sift and fine football. So I would have Bush pretty comfortably out of Jordan Brooks, but he has had a good season. Yeah, and Jordan, you know,

Devin Bush with the Browns, we should point out. I mean, he was basically viewed as a first round bust has been bouncing around the NFL since then. So it's cool to see him develop like this. But yeah, Bonn. And I feel like I'm forgetting one other person at linebacker,

but I don't know who is. But you could throw in to Mario Davis, who has been unbelievable at this phase of his grade. You could throw in Edge Cooper. You could throw in Nate Lambon, Divine Diablo. That would be kind of the long list. But I think there's a pretty clear separation. Yeah.

Just because of the impact in production with Lloyd with the past deflections, all the interceptions, obviously he's had game-breaking plays and has been good enough down-to-down where the other guys would be probably just as good down-to-down but haven't quite had the game-breaking plays.

Okay, we're to the secondary. And you set me a video of Kamari Lasseter before we started upon the threat of physical harm that if I did not put Kamari Lassader on the first team you would get on a plane and come after me and so I guess we got to do it

so yeah if you're watching on YouTube you can put together or watch a video that Ali lovingly put together and I felt good about putting him on the first team let's just start with him before we get to maybe who else would be there Why is Lassiter your guy?

He just looks everything like an all-pro cornerstone to look like in 2025, which is in-out versatility, the tight to the formation, playing on the boundary, all the run defense stuff. He is by far the best perimeter run defender in the league now. And in a league that includes Quignan Mitchell and some really good attack-the-run type cornerbacks, he is just leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. Then in coverage, he does every single thing you want to, textbook technique, where it's bump and run, picking guys up on the fly, play more off coverage. And he's doing this in a defense with no bells and whistles.

They are declaring what they're going to run before the snap every single time. He's opposite Derek Stingley, so you know he's going to get targeted more. He's like, what, in the top 10 in targets this season? People know they've got to go after him. Stingley freelances a whole bunch. Lassett is just placed with his assignment and is perfect, basically, every single snap. And you see the impact when he goes off the field with the knee injury against the charges. The first thing the charges do say, we've got to go hunt the new fish.

Lasters off the field. They hit a 60-yard shot right down the field because they know that Laster's no longer there. It's just to me he is by technique, the best all-round. corner in the league this season in part because Pat Satan has dealt with some health stuff. He's not moved quite as fluidly for stretch of the season, whereas Laster has been able to do that. I just think he is, as like coaching goes and what do I want a cornerback to look like, both attacking the run game and playing in coverage, he's had the best all-around season of everyone.

I love that, and I love a complete physical corner who also just moves as fluidly as he does. He is an awesome player. So he is part of our first team. So you mentioned Sartan, who has had great moments this year, had the injury, and it seemed to affect them for a little bit. The All-Pro team does give three cornerbacks because they kind of reserve a spot for a slot, which I don't think you have to make it into a slot unless one is obvious, but Cooper DeGine is certainly a good option to put there if you wanted to.

You mentioned Quinyan Mitchell, you mentioned Stingley, I think those are some of the best options there for the first team. I was leaning, I was probably leaning Quignan and Dijin. But I don't know. Where are you looking? I think Dijin, if you're just having a set nickel spot, you go with Dijin. And that is really tight because then you can bring in Petrie.

You can bring in Brian Branch. It gets pretty squarely. I think I want Petrie on either my second team or is at safety. It gets a little confusing, yes. Yeah. So, but I would go with DeGene at Nicol, the second cornerback spot, if you're just saying perimeter outside boundary corner, that is really tight.

I went with Stingley. I like the playmaking upside with Stingley. I like reward and the Texans for having, I think, the best back seven in recent times. They are the best defense in the NFL playing. As I said, head up, straight up. You know what we're doing football. Everyone else running all these confusing systems and schemes. And they say, no, we run exactly what we run.

Every other down, you know what's happening. And we lock people down because our corners are so dominant. And so I wanted to put Laster and Stingley on the team together. And some of Stingley's coverage numbers in terms of just, you know, people not throwing at them. And when they do throw at them, they are just absolutely outrageous. I do like making a statement that it's this epic, like historic secondary. And like Caden Bullock isn't that crazy of a guy to think about for like a first or second team at safety. But there is a world where we put Stingley on the first team and then we put Petrie at

safety and you have three Texans defensive backs on the first team all pro. Are you comfortable with that? Because I think Petri is where I would go as my safety. If that was the case, then taking care of, you know, the cornerbacks, I think I'm putting Quinyan on the second team. Let's wrap the cornerback discussion because I think that's where I'm ready to go along with you there, that I would put Quinyan on the second team. And then there's, you know, some other interesting names.

DJ Turner is not a crazy name. I don't think Christian Bedford is not a crazy name. Jamel Dean had his moments this year. Maybe he doesn't get across the finish line here. I love me some Jordan Lewis. I don't, like if I'm making a third, I don't know if he quite makes the second team here, but if we're allowed to reward six cornerbacks,

basically we'd have the two Texans and Dijian on the first team. I think, man, I guess then you've got to go Sir Tan and Quinion. Tell me your thought process going through the second team. Yeah, so Tan has to be on the best corner I've studied since Dorel Revis. And as long as he's alive and healthy, he's making my team every single year, I just pencil him in there. And he's had a good season. It's not exactly like he's been surpassed, I think, this year, the other guys.

The one that is difficult to leave off if you take it down to three, I think is Christian Benford. Then kind of changing midstream and saying, we have no pass rush and no way to stop the room. the only thing we can do is fire Christian Benford into the line of scrimmage as often as possible to fix everything for us

and it actually worked for a time people see the first football against Joe Borough in the game against the Bengals where he made a whole bunch of plays but that was just their recipe down the stretch of the seas is like the only thing that can save us

is more Benford and so if I see a defensive staff decide to do that with a defensive head coach tells me they believe the guy has won the best in the league all right and I think he was right on the border and so that means the second team

for me, I'm not putting Petrie there at cornerback would be Quinyan Mitchell, Christian Benford, and Pat Sertan, which is an outrageous second team at cornerback. And so that's our second team. And then I'm bumping Petrie back to safety because I wasn't sure where else to go at safety other than him and Kyle Hamilton. There's certainly other options like Caden Bullock.

Who else stands out? Are you okay with Petrie and Hamilton as your safeties? I'm okay with all things. I would have Petrie's the MVP if the league would allow it, if it wasn't just a quarterback. If I don't have children, if I had children, I'd have a hard time loving them more than I love Jalen Petrie. I just think he's the best of the law.

I mean, you're similarly aged. You're a young man. So maybe maybe a brother would make more sense, yes. Go and look at the on-off splits, which is tricky with football compared to the NBA or something like that, but the on-off splits with Jail and Petrie are so profound for a team we know is loaded with talent. You just put two corners on the first team all pro.

You talked about but in Will Anderson. on the first knee more pro, it is dramatic night and day difference from being historically one of the greatest defenses in the history of the league to really, really good when Jalen Pitchie is on the field or off field in every single facet at the game, run game, past game, everything. So I think it's difficult to not have Jalen Petri on there. If you don't put him at nickel, you've got to put him back there at safety. Other people are doing James, I think, has been unbelievable the season in a redefined role, has to play more of a blitzer close to line of scrimmage, has answered that bell.

So he's the other tight one, but if you're into a one-off head-to-head, I can't book. Derwin James ahead of Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, that's, he was the next guy wrote down Derwin. I mean, it's really picking Nits because he's been incredible. There was like a three-week stretch where that defense didn't seem like

they knew what they were doing and he was a part of it, but the rest of the season he's been like a new, I wouldn't even say peak Derwin James because it's like a new Derwin James and an incredible career. He's going to have an interesting case for Canton some day.

So if we're doing a second team, he can go there. But let's go Hamilton and Petrie on the first team. and then Quentin Lake was having a great season. Xavier McKinney's still a good player and is in the mix. Antoine Winfield, I think, rebounded this year. Kevin Byrd's still making plays at his age,

but I feel good about her. The other guy I would throw in there is Telanoa Hufanga, who, again, another Mealcoup one from me where I thought he was completely cooked in San Francisco and had gone from underrated to grossly overrated because he flies around and has the hair. People could just see him on the field and thought he was outstanding.

and I just thought his legs had gone by the time they got him to Denver and Denver hired Jim Lender from Wisconsin this offseason to get more of the safety involved in attacking the line of scrimmage and he has returned and played at a level I think even better than he was in San Francisco you go and look at some of the

the run stop numbers, the run stuff numbers he's just all over the field at all times and they've changed their entire pass for a structure over a couple of seasons from the all-out crazy wonky blitz stuff to more of a four-down rush because they've got Nick Benito and this season a five-man pass rush because they tagged Telanoa or Afanga into the thing

and he's played at a crazy level. So I think him and Derwin, for me, is pretty tight. We need to write these downs, etch them in stone. I want to get it onto the PFF site that our All-Pro team also gets there. And I want them to recognize Kaimi Fairbairn, too, is my All-Pro kicker. I don't know if you went All-Pro kicker,

but I love me some Kaimi. You can go in a few spots. The kicker position has never been better, but I'm going Kaimi Fairbairn. Why not? And to Mary D.K. for All-Pro Returner, getting a rookie to do that. Yeah, the, it kind of snuck up on me that he set the all-purpose records,

which is like a weird stat, but because he was, you know, punt returner, kick-returner, and also getting it done as a receiver. Yes, he would be the All-Pro returner this year. What a sneaky good rookie class by the Titans, they just got to build on that and find a coach. other than Mike McCoy. As we got to the end of the season, I was like, what was the point of hiring, I mean, of firing Callahan and Daibald so early?

Like, yeah, I guess they were worth getting, but there was no point to it. It just got worse. Whenever you can get a head start on interview, Matt Nagy, it's got to be done. You just got to do it. Like, at the time, I wasn't questioning it, and then I get it.

You just feel like you need to get like some satisfaction and make the fans happy. But then the rest of the season was pointless. and your quarterbacks probably were worse off for it. But that's another podcast. We did it. We went longer than I expected, but I'm really glad we got our all-pro team in.

And like I mentioned, we'll do some awards talk next week. But we got big games to talk about this weekend. And then the playoffs, you're going to be along for the ride. Are you scouting these college football playoff games over there in the UK? I'm excited.

I am deep into them, the most loaded lineback of class we've had in a long, long time. On one team, we got two first rounders. It's very, very exciting. Oh, I'm going to put you on the spot then. Give me like a non-quarterback. Give me a defensive player or two to watch this week specifically

that's playing in these college football games that you like. You go to just watch the Ohio State defense. My boy, Matt Patricia, cooking everyone alive in college football. You watch Arvel Reese and Sunny Stiles. The lineback is from Ohio State. Arval Reese, the most dominant player in the country should be the second. an overall pick in the draft. Probably won't be by the time the draft rolls around.

Sonny Stiles should be a top 10 pick in the draft. C.J. Allen with Georgia, another dominant linebacker. We are truly rolling about six, seven, eight linebackers deep who should be worthy of first round consideration in a pretty, I would say, weakish, mediocre top end of the first round this year. All right. Get you an analyst that can do both. We're going to be hitting the draft heavier than ever on NFL daily this off season with the help of Ali Connolly

and then on 40s and free agents with Daniel Jeremiah. which will be back weekly pretty soon. Before that, though, we will have our PICS show in the speed on Friday. Cynthia and I, unfortunately, my 12 straight winning week streak came to an end because of the Atlanta freaking Falcons. But we're going to get back on the winning side this week,

so that'll be on Friday before all the games this weekend. We will see you there. What's up? It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, The Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. It's happening every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars from the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment, about anything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season, the season of more on the Off the Edge with Cam Joom podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday

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