NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 NFL Week 11 Early Games Preview

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview the early window of Week 11 action from around the NFL starting with the Buccaneers at the Bills followed by Bears at Vikings (11:00), Chargers at Jaguars (18:30), Bengals at Steelers (27:00), Packers at Giants (34:10), Commanders versus Dolphins in Madrid (42:00), Panthers at Falcons (49:40) and Texans at Titans (56:45).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Roderig and Patrick Claibon here for the big week 11 preview, starting with the early games and trying to recover from the pre-show shot that Eric Roberts was saying that he likes a lot of sound clips in the show just to break up the monotony of hearing the same three voices. So long. It's so boring. He wants to paint a picture, Greg. He wants to have a fully composed sandwich.

And we all enjoy, you know, the cheese. I do love a sandwich. But you can't have all cheese. in the sandwich. You got to have some veggies in there. And I appreciate Eric's, you know, contribution in that part. It's just an opinion.

But he went hard at it. He said monotony, like the same voices over and over. So let's just start. Let's start with some sound. Let's listen to Josh Allen right off the top. Because he's involved in one of the biggest games of the week, certainly the biggest game early.

It sucks losing, you know. But knowing the losses this year that we've, you know, we've turned the ball over. And that's pointing the thumb directly at myself and knowing that if we take care of the football and take care of what we're supposed to, we're a dang good football team. Yes, one of those turnovers was Josh Allen

against the Miami Dolphins on a sneak that he had like 12 yards and the ball got poked out outside of interception in the red zone, but now they're back at home. They are back at home, Greg. And they are taking on Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Who are dogs by five and a half points

under is 47 and a half Ian Eagle and Justin James Watt on CBS, which is an NFL broadcast partner, Greg. I have to say that now on GDL almost every time. Not the full broadcast. Why? Well, we want to highlight our broadcast

partnerships because it's great because it's a part of what makes the league great, but you have a chance, Greg, and we all do to watch this game. How do you think the bills are going to bounce back here? Or do you think they're going to bounce back? Well, yes. Every network that plays a game, you know, puts a game on is a partner.

We're all partners. Now I feel bad because it sounded like Eric and I had real beef, but I was just trying to drag him into the show a little bit. Don't back track now. I know he doesn't like coming into the show,

but I know he likes to hear other voices. That would mean we should hear your voice more often, Eric. If you're going to say, Josh Allen said, hey, I need to stop turning the ball over. Why not hear Josh Allen say I need to stop turning the ball over?

He makes a good point. Not only that, but one of my biggest points for this game before I even knew that you went the extra mile and got that sound ready was like, Josh Allen's got to take care of the ball a little bit better. Didn't have a good week last week. I'm so glad I heard it from him though.

Yeah. I trust him more. He was impatient last week. And I think this is a really interesting matchup of two quarterbacks who sometimes have similar issues. Obviously, Josh Allen's a better player. But last week especially, it seemed like there were many times in that game

where they were giving him the easy. stuff underneath and he didn't want to take it. And when he had that fumble and certainly the Red Zone interception, that was a little bit of old Josh Allen. But even earlier in the game when they went through all those three and outs in a row, I was thinking, just take the throw that's there instead of trying to hit the big play. It's something I think that both Allen and Baker Mayfield have always tried to like calibrate. And when they have the like the best calibration of aggression and taking what the defense gives you, that's when they're at their best. Yeah, and I think it's the job of the play caller as well at times to protect that guy from

himself or to help him calibrate a little bit when he sees him veering off into certain territories. And that's what Josh Grizzard, King Grizzard, and Baker Mayfield are learning and working through right now. Joe Brady and Josh Allen already have tried and true answers. We're just, we just need to see them. You know, run the ball. Run the ball consistently with James Cook, the bills are still leading the league in success rate when running the football right now. And the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, while they opened the year as the best run defense in the NFL, have dipped significantly in success rate in part because they are susceptible to the explosive plays. And we saw that last week, especially. But you need to settle Josh

Allen down, even though I know that sounds condescending. It's not intended that way, but he's, he's pressing and it's very clear. So he needs some help. He needs to have some help being calibrated. And I think that goes to the other very big piece of the Bill's offense who's James Cook, who was pressing a little bit, had ball punched out from behind where like Khalil Shakir ran 38 routes. You got nine targets. The average separation is 3.1 yards. Now the separation can be a little bit proximity alertish from next gen stats and we can't necessarily always take like, hey, this guy's not getting open because Jalen Waldo had 2.3 yards of separation. But it's just the way that the

Bill's offense looks. Sometimes it gets bogged down, which is why you had Bill's fans clamoring in the preseason to maybe get some help at one. Maybe that's why Brandon Bean was actually on the phones, despite what he said in the preseason, to try to get a wide receiver to get open. You're pointing the thumb at yourself, Jordan. Jordan's pointing the thumb to himself. I'm Brandon Bean.

Because if Josh is going to point thumbs or one particular thumb, then you've got to go organization wide. And I say it all the time, this organization, this group of people has so many ties. to Carolina and that era of Panthers football. And it feels like the direction is similar where you have this mechanized machine of a quarterback and other places, the outcomes are not so great. The most regrettable Josh Allen take I had,

which was there were many on the around the NFL podcast, was that he could be a poor man's Cam Newton if everything went right. But that was always the comp for him. The thing is, though, the defenses are telling the bills that they agree with you. Because, and I think the Bucks are really well equipped to do this, they are loading up to just stop the run. They are copying the Patriots playbook, and they're daring these receivers to beat them.

And I think that's why Josh was looking for those big plays. And I think the Buccaneers run defense was incredible last week. The Patriots, I mean, except for those two plays, which is a big deal. Patriots were literally dead last and success rate last week against the Bucks. So I'm not worried about them overall as a team. I know they've given up a couple big plays. I think that's a, certainly, and it did against the lions as well, and those are explosive players. So you've got to be careful, but I think on a down-to-down basis, they're well equipped to have that strategy against this Bill's team and make Keon Coleman or Josh Palmer, who should be back this week, beat you.

My fear with the bills, because I do think that that is exactly the strategy that they're going to take is to try to get Josh to throw the ball, right? And then Todd Bowles, who's not really blitzing relative to a Todd Bowl season, is still blitzing at the seventh highest rate in the NFL. So he's going to bring the pressure, if so. The interesting thing about what happens to Josh Allen when he's being blitz, he's still very effective. He's got over 100.6 passer rating against the blitz, and he's throwing touchdowns. He's very clean. He's only thrown one interception against the blitz. But the completions go down.

And when the completions aren't there and it's not in a rhythm, Joe Brady seems to tend to sort of deviate from the game plan. And it's sort of like, okay, we really want to see them stay on schedule and stay on rhythm, even if maybe a couple of plays aren't there, you're missing a couple of passes in a row. You get that situation where you've got a Lambo in the school zone. And it's like you're asking Josh while he's, right. I immediately went to Lambo Field, but I got there. Yeah.

Well, I mean, there's a school over there. I just pictured a car, you know, remember that show, hit my ride. Yeah. Just a replica of Lambo field just pulling into a parking spot. Does that happen at your school? No. No. At Ramona Elementary School,

there's there are no Lampos. Most folks are walking the kids to school. And this is a big game. In terms of the conversation, we have two quarterbacks with negative scores, both of them with losses last week. So trying to get a big eight points for a game against contender for Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.

Man. The bills have been solid fantasy-wise against quarterback's. Problem is Baker Mayfield gets a chance to throw a ball to a where that is a clear mismatch, I think, in the bill's second. Yeah, and I thought he looked great. I went to back and rewatched. That's how you know. I am owning being a Patriots fan

watching that on all 22. I thought he looked awesome. Last week, I mean, petition to maybe take Baker out of the conversation. Wow. What? After the start to the season he had? The season is long.

The last three weeks, they are 27th in EPA. I think last week was one of the worst games I've seen out of Baker. I think he was maybe their biggest issue. I agree because guys were open. Guys were open. and he's just in a little bit of a slum.

That's what I like about the season, by the way. Like all these things that we talked about the first month or two, it's like you have such different eras of the, even within a season, like a three or four weeks stretch. Like, and now this Bucks team, this offense to me is a much different looking buck's offense than we saw. I think Bucky Irving and Mike Evans coming back would certainly help, but that's not happening this week.

Yeah, Buck Ehring is at practice, but obviously it's still, could be still a ways of it. We just don't know. And then on the bill side, they are still so banged up. And they're trying to bring in reinforcements along their defensive line. They signed Morgan Fox to the practice squad. They added receiver Mikul Hardman to the practice squad. And, you know, Sean McDermott was quoted by reporters there being very excited about the addition of meekle Hardman, which, you know, I guess you could see as two sides of the same coin as a comment.

Also Christian Benford, Terrell Bernard, Joey Bosa, Terran Johnson, Cam Lewis, Khalil Shakur, Shaq, Thompson. and Dorian Williams are limited to start the week. They are so, so, so, so banged up. I'll take good news from that because most of those guys didn't practice and missed last week's game so that at least getting Benford and Theron Johnson and Epinezaback would be huge. It's a monster game for both these teams,

especially the bills, because the bills could fall right out of the AFCs. Trying to bait me into taking it as the number one pick, I see. Yes, I am. Yes, you are. I was successful. Greg is that, and we'll see if Jordan provides the final vote. which we will have to update later to take Baker Mayfield out of the country. No, we are not talking. Oh, well, never mind. No. I mean, we're going to have a vote next week. He might not be secure on QB Island.

I know if Baker needs a big QB Island. Oh for two on NFL daily properties for essentially for Baker Mayfield. Let's go to the Chicago Bears who are going on the road to take on J.J. McCarthy, just Jefferson, Aaron Jones, the entire skill group of the Minnesota Vikings that has a J initial for some reason, which is something that I don't notice. this past week. The Minnesota Vikings three-point favorites. The over-under is 48.5. It's Fox 1. Kevin Burkhart, Tom Brady, Jordan.

Do the Vikings bounce back from a frustrating loss to the Baltimore Ravens and get a win here against the surging bear? I think they will look better, yes. Especially against this bear's defense that has been either hit or wildly, wildly miss over the course of the season. But having a game where we have a record eight

false start penalties And part of that is on the quarterback because he's in charge of the timing and the cadence of all of the orchestration of the play pre-snap and at snap. It's an entire unit that has to get cleaned up to actually get like a clean eval on J.J. McCarthy. He had a couple of really tough plays. He started the game great. Had a couple really tough decisions on his throws. I would just like to see more balance. And getting this run game going, I sound like a broken record, but they have to actually be just better, more efficient, more sustainable running the ball.

in order to settle J.J. McCarthy into this rhythm that he quite clearly needs to get into to start, I guess, having nine emerge again. He just feels very unpredictable, what you're going to get on a snap to snap basis. Because there was a lot of good, like you said, I think Aaron Jones has looked like a different player, a better player, since he's come off the injury. So I think that's a positive. There is a little bit of KOC panic going on as not only Matt LaFleur panic in Green Bay, not in terms of job security, but just people being unhappy.

with KOC for maybe the first time. And I do think it's a challenge, Patrick, for him to, like, figure out, like, how aggressive to be with J.J. McCarthy. Because you see the pass attempt totals last week, and that game was close for most of it. There was a crazy stat. It's a little unfair because most of them were clear passing situations.

But they had 23rd and fourth downs last week. They did not run the ball on one of them. I mean, it's a lot. They're in so many negative down in distances. Right. But they also had the highest, like, even when in a neutral game script, situation, the highest pass-run

ratio in the entire league last week. So, I mean, I think that's a fair stat to point out. And he has generally had the highest pass, you know, run ratio in neutral situations like throughout his coaching tenure. It's kind of what KOC wants to do. And yeah, you've got to figure out the right plays

two call for his quarter. Well, I mean, especially when you consider that Aaron Jones is averaging five yards of carry. Right. Jordan Mason was averaging 6.3 yards per carry. And we got that play where Malikas Starks picked off JJ McCarthy. An ocean of green in front of JJ McCarthy and he oddly like takes a crow hop into throwing a ball to Justin Jefferson into double coverage there where I think you'll get a chance to you know

have this young quarterback go through the learning process which is going to have its ups and downs it's a reasonable thing in a guy and what I think is fair to call his rookie season where you're going up against a bear's team now where they had five drops last week yeah it was a weird game. Caleb essentially saying fine, I'll do it myself in the final couple of drives with those one, a run down to the one and then a touchdown run to kind of finish things off and excited to see what the blitz opportunity is going to be like for a defense that I know like field goals are bad and we don't like it for teams kick field goals. But the Vikings offense, I feel like would have looked a little bit different if Baltimore wasn't consistently getting three points on all

those possessions. He said we like, you don't like it. You too. Yeah. That's how you said. weed. It's the royal week. It wasn't the royal we. It's not seven. It was the Minnesota nice we. Yeah. It's three points. It's not as good as seven. I think it could be a defensive, more of a defensive game than you would expect. And I love when the season gives us a little moments like this. You saw the week one and we've seen the Caleb Williams evolution and right now he's

playing with more confidence. He has the highest mistackle force rate of any quarterback in the league. I think it's an interesting stat for him. Like him playing the style that he played a lot in college is paying off more. And then you hear Ben Johnson this week, and it's crazy because, you know, I have many ways to pick games incorrectly. And one of them is like, do the Bears really feel like a seven and three team

while the Vikings are a four and six team? No, that doesn't seem right. So it seems like they should equal out. But the Vikings already, you know, did beat them. And I got to say that the vibes in Chicago, sometimes you win some of these games that it didn't feel like you should win. Like they have a little something,

that you can't measure in the numbers. Ben Johnson maybe spoke about something that's a little less magical this week. We found out a lot about ourselves over the course of the season so far. We're a different team than we were week one, and so is Minnesota. So this will be a completely different matchup as far as I'm concerned. I have, you know, the trust level has grown for a number of players in our coaching staff. I think we really can hang our hat on a number of guys now at this point. and feel really good about what we're going to get on game day.

What a swing game this is for them. Because you can kind of bury the Vikings behind you with a win here. And I think they just are taking the bears more seriously if they go ahead and win this game. Well, you touched on it. I like that the bears are also learning how to win close games instead of watching, you know, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory like we saw and have seen for so many years from the bears. this team has like a little juice to it where maybe it was really finding itself. Ben Johnson's no longer really quietly internally seething at the lectern about sloppy

mistakes and self-inflicted errors and you're never going to have a fully clean game operationally. But little reveals of confidence, whether it's how Caleb Williams fired off that throw at the end of the game or how he moved outside of the pocket or Darnell Wright, for example. this offensive line, like really starting to come together as a unit and find itself first gathering itself in the run game the way that it has. And Darnall Wright, who's like one-handed, like preventing spin moves on Brian Burns and like doing cartwheels between plays and things like that.

I mean, it's a group that's playing all together with confidence. It needs to now start to bleed into the receivers who have more weeks than not struggled with drops and being in places where they maybe shouldn't be. And Roman Duneze's father is very confident in his son's ability. And I believe in Roma Dunez. Yes. He was great last week. He was spectacular.

This is a step up in class, though. You were looking good on offense against the Bengals and the Giants. And so it's exciting. But it is like you're seeing D'Andre Swift run through tackles on fourth and two. I do think that the problems for the bear's defense have been probably a little understated. Like Tyreek Stevenson is out for this game. Probably Jaquan Brisker is probably out. Like they're so banged up and not.

great to begin with tj edwards or linebacker might be out so uh show up minnesota yeah an opportunity to maybe not predetermined so many throws where when it looks great and he's hitting jalen nailer on game winning uh routes you know uh running wheel routes it looks great but when it's justin jefferson and there's a million people over there yikes got to make the decision during the play young man but he'll be fine let's go to a quarterback who's who's gone through those those ups and downs and Now he's on the upside. The Chargers. Three point favorites all the way across those Estados of Nitos in Jacksonville, Florida.

43 and a half points is the over under Spirotid is in Adam Arjoleta on the call. Greg, you were one of those who doubted the Chargers in their capacity to beat the Steelers. Are you sorry? I am. And will you take them to win against the Jacksonville? I mean, I'm sorry in multiple ways. I feel sorry for doing that to the Chargers and I'm just a sorry individual

and not to have faith in my boy Herbo and enjoy that win. I mean, I did still enjoy it. Ultimately, I, you know, the heart wants what it wants. And it wants the Chargers to win this game too. It will be a really good test for the Jaguars just taking away the X's and O's of it all. Liam Cohen talked about this week

that he doesn't want what happened last Sunday. Still one of the most amazing NFL games, I believe, of the decade. Davis Mills has authored two of them, by the way. And you called that one, by the way. I mean, he's been just part of Total Magic. John Shipley, who does a great job covering the Jaguars on SI. Yeah, we love your ship. He thought it was easily, he thought it was the worst loss of the Lawrence era

and the worst loss since he's been covering the team, which extends even further. Just in that spot for their defense to give up those drives to Davis Mills, and the offense was certainly part of it and Trevor Lawrence needs to play better. But for the defense to really continue a trend, they gave up a game-winning drive to Jake Browning. They gave up four straight touchdown drives

to Gino Smith and the Raiders, right? Or I think it was three in a field goal. And then you give up that fourth quarter, their defense is facing huge problems. And like, the one type of defense that you could think Herbo can succeed against is one that doesn't have much of a pass rush. And that's what the Jaguars are.

now. And I'm, I'm looking at the tight end usage, too. I know always, but like in this game specifically, because actually when the Raiders played the Jaguars, you could see the Raiders using almost identical past concepts out of 12 personnel specifically that the Rams had killed the Jaguars with especially in the Red Zone. And that is some word is out. That is something they seem to be so susceptible to. And with Justin Herbert able to actually have playmakers in in that phase. I know he's missing linemen all across that front, but to have these playmakers and it almost doesn't matter to me that the Jaguars blitz at the 10th highest rate in the NFL right now because Justin Herbert is getting pressured at a 42% rate despite getting the ball out

at 2.25 seconds, which is like one of the lowest among all quarterbacks in the league ever for a game. And certainly like one of the lowest all year in a game. And he's still getting the ball to these playmakers. They're getting yards after the catch plays. The Jaguars are so susceptible to these types of things in combination. Yeah, and they've had injuries too on the back end. I think Jordan Lewis being out really hurts them. I think Travis Hunter at cornerback being out

really hurts them and your boy Ladd McConkey, Patrick after that quiet start to the season since week 6th fifth in receiving. Pretty good. They even out. Lightning Ladd. Yeah, these things eventually

will kind of regress to the norm. uh not just to the mean uh because lad macaque is one one of the better uh separators explosive receivers in our league and yeah the quentin johnston opportunity i think a lot came for teams planning for lad uh and left q j wide open and now you have to deal with all of them including rondea gaston junior who is dealing uh with an injury which is a little bit of a ding to the chargers where the jags have struggled um in coverage against these explosive guys whether they be a slot guy, big slots or tight ends.

But considering the offense looking clunky, trying to adjust without BTJ as well as Travis Hunter, leaning on Parker Washington who is a good player. But to have him out there and Jacoby Myers just adjusting, you kind of wonder where it comes from. And unless... Kobe looked good. Parker Washington looks good. Yeah.

Travis Cetans look good. Where did this running game go? I mean, it's been pretty good. It was great last week. Davis Mills was the problem. it was yeah so I think there is a world there is a world a route but man they feel like a route for them to win this game and I think that's running the ball on the chargers but man the chargers are you just don't know what to to do with them I saw it because their defense is suddenly back right I saw that in scene stat from your colleague Daniel Popper that they were literally dead last in EPA per play over a three weeks stretch from weeks what would have been five to seven I think and then the last three weeks they are first I mean that is that is that is that coaching job came open or something. Or, yeah, it's partly based on opponents,

but it's more that they should be a good defense and they seem like they're back to being a good defense. I think that trade for Adafioui really worked that well for both sides. Yeah, and we've noted this before on the show, but Trevor Lawrence struggles just reading zones or making decisions quickly against some of the zone looks that he sees. And this will be no different, in my opinion. Where I think that Jaguars have had a spark since the beginning of the season

and continue to have a spark is on their special teams unit, not just Cam Little in the records that he's set this year and just a quality kicker, but also their return game is potentially very, very explosive. The Chargers have historically been up and down in terms of their coverage. They have the best, most consistent kicker in the league, so factoring them aside.

But I do think that the Jaguars have to start understanding that they have to win in the margins because their defense is incredibly shaky and missing players. And their offense is not consistent and still lacks this identity that we've been hoping to see by now. Question for you guys. So the Jaguars have been a mainstay in the if the playoffs started today graphic. Will the Jaguars still hold a place in those first seven seeds after this week or for any point for the rest of the season after this week?

Right now they are five and four. They are the seventh seed. is this the last time that we see them as part of that graphic? Not in the hunt. I'm saying in the playoffs. I think they will get back on the graphic.

This week they slide off the graphic. Okay. They're going to fall off, but they'll be back. You're not giving up on them long term. The whole playoff leverage thing, and I'm not making some declarative statement, but the whole, if the playoffs started today, they don't. Right.

So like that, that being the key part of that. Yeah, it changes all the time. They do have a softer schedule down the stretch than some other teams. So even though if they lose this game, I feel like it's going to feel easy to bury them. They're going to hang around. I don't know if they get back in, though. I have cursed many teams and many players this year. So I guess maybe I'll try the reverse.

I think they'll miss the playoffs. So now go make the playoffs, Jacksonville. Okay. You were messy fun once. Let's bring it back. Let's take a break. And yes, we'll try to beat the monotony allegation when we talk Bengals. Steelers.

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It's fueling us to try harder to be less monaugh. I mean, sometimes I feel like back in the day, Rodney Harrison or Brady, they would just make things up about people doubting the Patriots. Yeah. You need the bulletin board material. You don't actually need the bulletin board or the material. You could just summon the anger from within. Because imagine if the Patriots had to do six or seven podcasts a week.

Yeah. the type of internal toughness they would need to pull that off. Yeah, I mean, you know, amid all the scandals and investigations and chicanery, imagine if they were distracted. Would the Patriots have ever won a Super Bowl? Let's get to this next game with some good veteran quarterback play. The Cincinnati Bengals taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers who were favored by five and a half points after getting ran out of So5 Stadium.

49.5 is the over-under, Kevin Harlan and Trent Green, on the call as Jordan it gives us another opportunity to talk about the 2025 Cincinnati Bengals defense will they be enough to make Aaron Rogers and this offense feel better

no oh wow wow oh feel better yes I was so ready come on maybe Al Golded and Zach Taylor they got in the lab during the by week you don't have faith I was like why is Patrick so surprised

I was like oh Jordan knows something about Al Golden if I don't No. I mean, yes. Yes, I do think Aaron Rogers of the Pittsburgh Steelers offense feels much better this week, not just because the injury status of the opponent still no Trey Hendrickson and also the Bengals defense has been politely porous this season. And the thing that the Steelers are very, very good at on offense, despite the fact that they're lacking in explosiveness and they've been pretty inconsistent, especially of late. The thing that they do have is they make a ton of yards after the catch plays. Well, what is the percentage

of yards after the catch that the Cincinnati Bengals defense has allowed 62 and a half percent all yards amassed against them have become after the catch, which also happens to be the majority of yards that the Pittsburgh Steelers' offense

has amassed themselves. Oh, wow. Circle gets the square. I love that for Pittsburgh. I love any game that's just in the 30s, and that's every Bengals game. Sometimes it gets in the 40s. This feels like a bigger game now because of the Joe Burrow news that I think at this point,

I think the over-under is he's going to return on Thanksgiving. And yet I do wonder, like, how much better can they get on offense? They're literally first in the league in points. And I think EPA per place since Joe Flacco took over. So maybe it doesn't even matter if Joe Burroughs back. of course it matters because we are going to watch the games and everything matters. But I feel like they have to win one of these next two games and they're not easy. This is going to be the easier one for Cincinnati before Joe Burrow plays.

Which is a hilarious proposition, but why? Like at this point, you would like Joe to be healthy for 2026 in terms of the long-term aspirations of the Bengals if they don't win this game. Like I think conceivably you could just shut them down. I understand Joe Burrow. wants to play. But this defense is so bad. It's just a waste of time. Maybe they came up with some answers.

Don't you have faith in Zach Taylor to come up with some answers during the by week? I don't. But the fact that no one even thinks it's possible shows us, forget Matt LaFleur coaching for his job. It's Zach Taylor. This is not even about like, I mean, it is because he's the head coach. But like, you just, you guys have just said it yourself, this offense is playing great. Everything is fine.

Yeah, but he's the head coach. He's the head coach. To me, it's 100% on him. Well, I'm saying in terms of answers on the offensive side, you can't really come up with much more at this point. It's the defense. It's Zach Taylor hiring Al Golden. It's Al Golden and just a lack of personnel as well

and injuries that have hit them at the wrong times and a lack of identifying the right guys for the system and the wrong system and all of it, all of it's bad. So no, I don't believe if they haven't made adjustments to this point. Yeah. I don't believe one week in the lab is going to. do more. No, I don't either. And I think this is a particularly bad matchup. This could be a moment where it all caves in on them. Because

one of the stats have been watching with Flacco, as great as he is. He gives up the second there is any pressure. His pressure numbers under pressure. Stop. I mean, you shine when the lights turn on. That's when you're the brightest. The second there's any pressure, he just gives up on the play. It's over. I think he's second or third worst in the league, EPA per play and PFF grade, all that stuff when there's any pressure. He just throws it away.

And they've played, you know, some poor pass rushing teams. Now I know they beat the Steelers, but I do think home game Steelers, in general, it's a tough matchup for this offensive line for Cincinnati.

And I kind of believe in the Steelers players. And I think their pass rush is playing better the last few weeks, including against the Chargers. He just got the ball out. And I think it could be a situation where Pittsburgh, like, wins this game convincing that actually the offense doesn't show up for Cincinnati. Yeah.

The only reason to not think that is a couple of plays against the Chargers where the pressure wasn't there. And I understand Aaron Rogers has been trying to get rid of the ball quickly and he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. But that throw to Jonu Smith that ultimately got overturned, one of the worst Rogers throws, I think I've ever seen, where Jonu is all by himself and he has to climb the ladder to get the ball, comes down, a ball pop, out there was a DK touchdown that Rogers just whiffed on and you just wonder if you're watching on YouTube you can see like Johnny leaning back because he thought he thought he's going to get that ball turn around and run into the end zone and it just wasn't there and so if the Bengals can do anything I think if they can be somewhat functional it's a great idea for Joe Flacko to

get rid of it we don't we've seen Jake Browning in this situation stay healthy stay upright Joe if the play's not there dirt it give somebody a souvenir because this you know you'll be back on the field with this Bengals defense. But what if, what if not? What if Greg, you've called it and Zach Taylor has said, you know what, Greg Rosenthal, stick it? I'm going back here. If he sweeps Mike Tomlin with Joe Flacco,

I mean, that's an embarrassment for the Steelers. Does Zach Taylor keep his job if he sweeps Mike Tomlin with Joe Flacko? I think he's going to keep his job most likely regardless, even though I don't think. But yes, I think that would be a major step towards that point. The thing about what you mentioned, about Joe Flacco versus pressure. The thing that Justin Herbert was so good about was getting the ball out quickly, even when the pressure was coming, right? And obviously we know that Joe Flacco

will maybe not tend to do that so much. He will, he more often than not throws it away or like you said, he dirts it. Well, when the Steelers get pressure, especially blitz pressure, they are converting it to sacks among the best in the NFL still. And they got a ton of pressure last week. And I expect then we get a ton of pressure this week. And we know that they convert it to sacks. Joe Flacco knows that they converted to sacks. And I do think that that is a huge hinge point in the game is just ruffling up him just a little.

They just feel like in every other week team. It's like great older athletes have often said. You know, you can go. It's like some days you wake up and it's just not there for you. That was Aaron Rogers last week. It was too late. That wasn't his day. You can get eight wins that way.

And who is so good at getting seven or eight wins? Yeah, sounds about right. Let's go to our next game. The Green Bay Packers are seven-point favorites on the road at MetLife, where the over-under is 43 and a half against the Giants, and James Winston will be starting. Adam Amin and Drew Breeze. Oh, yeah.

On the call for Fox. It's a great chance for us to see James first, to hear Drew Breeze, and maybe Greg get a bounce back for this Green Bay Packers off. I might have to draft this game, just to scout, the Breeze situation, struggled with NBC didn't make it past one year wanted the job back you know made it clear

did a little Netflix studio in this very building last year Mark Sanchez loses his job he's not coming back to Fox he's not he's not they made that clear Breeze comes in and this is his chance to start

to start climbing that ladder because who knows Greg might be leaving at some point to become the number one somewhere else it's a big opportunity opportunity and it would be like a breeze Brady rivalry at some point like there's just a lot going on with his old teammate starting at quarterback Greg uh that is very exciting I will always wonder what would happen in 2019 to that Saints team if jamis Winston had just stayed healthy he was playing so well back then then he got hurt and it all fell apart let's listen to

james Winston yes back in the starting lineup against the pack I'm on fans of no that I'm going to do my best. You know, obviously, I'm going to have fun, but I'm going to execute, have a surgical execution and just play ball, man. Like, this is something I've been doing since I've been four years old. And I just get to do it in the greatest city in the world. I'm going to be saying it with my son, it's the greatest city in the world. Yeah, that's a Hamilton reference, if y'all don't know.

Oh. Yeah, a year reunion. I did not know. No. So thank you, Dave. He is a man of many. Have you seen Hamilton? I haven't seen Hamilton.

It's a great regret of mine that I still haven't, after all these years, have not seen it. We watched it on Disney Plus. Okay. Oh, you can watch it on TV? Yeah, it was during the pandemic where we were like, we hadn't seen this cultural phenomenon. And I do know that James has five, has two five touchdown games in his career. And that's three more than slave owners had singing roles in Hamilton. So that's what I noted from Hamilton.

I knew. Stats with Patrick. Without even knowing. you probably bagged on it at some point in front of me that you would not like Hamilton. I actually wrote a full-on Hamilton mock-up song

where George Washington was singing about the human property that he owned and harvesting their teeth to use for himself. I want to see that play. You have it with you now. Yay, happy musical. We own people. I haven't seen Hamilton myself, but that Moana soundtrack,

you know. You got to give it up to... Shaltern. That was Dwayne Johnson's best role. I don't know if we should even talk about this game. I am annoyed, actually, that James Winston has to have such a tough matchup because I, you know, I'm not really a must win shock jock radio guy. You? But the Packers really need to win this game.

Like, they just can't lose this game. The rest of their schedule is they do not have any easy games the entire rest of the season. and just the way everything's happened. They just got to go. They got to win this game. And I think the defense is great. And I think they will win this game. It's going to be a very difficult matchup for James in his first.

And maybe only start. We don't know how long Jackson Dart will be in the concussion protocol. But it was interesting to me. They quickly announced he would not be starting this week. And Mike Kafka said the decision to start James was all his. So they're elevating him over Russell. Yeah, Mike Kafka is certainly hoping for a metamorphosis. Hey, there it is.

this offense, but I don't think they get one, first of all. Second of all, Green Bay has been playing so much better on defense over the last couple of weeks, and it has spotlighted a lot of the struggles they have on offense. One of the things that has to get cleaned up is they have to stop dropping passes. Yes, Jordan Love could play a cleaner game. And also, there could be a little bit less like yolo shots from this scheme in general. They could have a little bit, and it took her craft out, it's really hard to do this

sort of on the fly, but I have a hunch that that's probably what Matt LaFleur was looking at on his tablet is can there be a little bit more layup options in combination? Just throw the ball. With running the ball. Stop turning it down. And also, like, some of these drops were, and the receivers really

talked about this and were actually open even on social media about catches they wish they would have made or should have made. It just, everything feels so hard for this offense. It is a good matchup for the Packers in so many ways, but especially because we know Matt Lafleur loves running the ball, sometimes maybe a little, a little too much. But in this

game, it'll really help. It'll really help just stabilize everything. And Josh Jacobs looks great. And some of the harder earned yards that he got, especially on that touchdown, you could tell he is trying to like will this offense into more functionality because everything feels so just difficult and like the atmospheric pressure feels so tight around this offense in general. Meanwhile, the defense is really forming. It's, I think season long, identity. I think in the first part of the year, you're learning what you are, especially with Michael Parsons added to the mix so late before the start of the season, and so, are so close to the start of the season. And so I think Jeff Halfley and that group is really

discovering what they actually are and how they actually want to play. Yeah, they had to pitch a perfect game. Yeah. And other than making a one-on-one tackle in an ocean of space with Saquan Barkley and getting beat by DeVant Smith, they almost did it. They almost had that perfect game but I think the glaring thing that I can't take away and I can't get out of my head was the hot mic on the field on fourth and two and Marro Ojoomo saying inside zone this way and so Jalen Carter instantly like destroys the play and the Eagles are there for the stop where it's like that's that's the call and then you're Jordan Love and you're hearing OJomo call out the play that you're about to run and then you run it anyway and they always get two plays so you

got to have and they're all in that system and I don't know specifically what Green Bay does but in this tree of coaches, there's always an emergency third play as well. And so you have to, you have to own that. And if you're malleflore, you have to be on that and you have to be giving your quarterback options as well. All of these things can be true. You should run the ball. Never good when the defense knows exactly what play in which direction you run the ball.

Right, because they've been doing that every time when they're in a hurry up situation. And yeah, that's where when we talk about like leadership out of quarterback, that's sort of it there. That's the type of leadership you want. It's just to be calm in that moment and make the right decision. And they did not. Also a big quarterback island game for Jordan Love. Oh, wow.

It's crazy. Let me check. I'm going to check over. Oh, yeah. No points for Jordan Love, negative eight for the prime time loss. So if he would like to be in the conversation, because after week 10 or in week 10, that's when things matter.

Man, James Winston plus the fired coach principal plus seven. It's a lot of factors together. Like a whole bunch of Darius Slaten balls against Kassan Nixon. He like about 14 other players that are, looking at was that we're out of practice at Wednesday so they are really banged up on both sides of the Giants right now oh not good rough one uh there but you know kofka is famous for his surreal and anxiety-filled stories that explore themes of alienation existential threat and overwhelming bureaucracy so that sounds like a team that i know oh the giants Kafkaesque

to madrid we go as we rise shine and watch the Washington commanders taking on the Miami Dolphins on an NFL game for the first time ever in Spain. The Dolphins are favored by two and a half points because there's one, two of their last three games. Do you guys know where you can see the Miami Dolphins on Sunday morning? On the NFL network, rise, shine, and watch presented by NetApp. It's a great opportunity. Net app.

The folks in Hawaii watching two of their all-time favorites go head to head. Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma on the call. It's going to be great. What time is it in Hawaii to start this game? It would be 2.30 in the morning, I believe. No, it would be, no, 4.30 in the morning. Well, you know what? I'm going to give you some reasons.

Okay. I knew you guys would be excited. This is the finale of the international series. It's too bad, Jane Daniels, and Terry McLaren will not be playing or Duran Payne for that matter, who's suspended. Let's ignore the commanders for a second. I have come up with six reasons to watch the Miami Dolphins. and be intrigued.

Number one, you're talking about all those extra tight ends, you know, all the heavy personnel? How about grabbing a guy who's been a center or a guard his whole career, Daniel Brunskill, putting him out on the corner as an extra tight end and using heavy formations for half of their snaps last week? Number two, Juju Brent's, a second round pick, very physical, coming off the best game of his career,

just shutting down Keon Coleman. But whatever, he had an incredible game last. Last week, Juju Brent. Number three. Oh, everyone's just talking about, oh, the Dolphins' defense is terrible this year. The Dolphins' defense is terrible. How about over the last month?

12th in EPA per play allowed. Eighth in success rate. They've been pretty good for a while now. Teams change. The seasons have different errors. Number four, Jordan Brooks at linebacker. Legit, Pro Bowl candidate. He's been great.

Number five, Tua Tua Tua, there's been ups. There's been downs. But when there are ups, that man celebrates. Oh, yeah. Like, he enjoys it. You would not know they're having a bad season. If he hits a big pass, he's going to start on you. And I think the Madrid crowd will love that.

Number six, what are we at? Jalen Waddle, fourth in receiving in the NFL, since Tyree Kill got hurt. And then finally, I might have said six. I got a seven. Yes, this is. There is a path. There is a path to dolphins relevance. You got the commanders this week, your favorite.

You got a buy. undefeated during buys, the Miami Dolphins. After that, the Saints and then at the Jets. Now, do I trust this Dolphins team to actually get through all those games and win them all? I feel like 2 and 1 is probably the most likely outcome. But it's pretty doable. It's pretty realistic. To see the Dolphins 6 and 7 in the hunt grass.

going up against the Steelers in like the middle of December they could be back. Yes, I agree with you. I think they are still alive and I think they know that they're still alive and I think whatever is going on in that building, whether it's the absence of some people

or the addition of like fire. Everyone just fired up because Chris Greer's gone. No, Tyreeks not there. Oh, I mean, and he wanted out before the start of the season. There was bad vibe there. It's okay. But no, I don't think that Chris Chris Greer was the turn around point for especially, you know,

I don't know that players are mourning a guy who could have cut them at any second or traded them at any second. It's just not how it works. But this is, this is impressive. Anthony Weaver, friend of the show, has helped turn this defense around not only schematically, but really they've uncovered some incredibly exciting players, young players and guys that just sort of fit together. And then on this, this offense, number eight.

They actually, this is keep an eye on this guy because he is limited this week in practice. But their center, Aaron Brewer, is the fourth rated center on the run against the, excuse me, let me start that over. Their center, Aaron Brewer, who was limited in practice this week, so keep an eye on that, is PFF's fourth ranked center in run blocking. Sixth ranked overall. And if you watch him, and I did go down a rabbit hole in isolating some of these run plays because they were so, especially last week they were fun to watch. They can really move the ball behind him. And he really is, I think, a huge jenga piece

for that entire offensive line, that entire system. And I know they love him down there. And it's like they've got like guys in sneaky spots that really, really matter that are coming together importantly for this team. Yeah, Bradley Chubb had eight pressures in week 10. And not to, there's still reason to have hope. The path is there.

But the Dolphins' early season schedule is the In the Hunt graphic. Like I think this, because Greg says it, the schedule explains so many things. Yeah, they started Colts, Patriots, bills, right? Then they get a win against the Jets. They lost to the Chargers. And yeah, they had the island game, well, schedule-wise, against the Carolina Panthers. They lost that by three. And so, like, the season's kind of hinging, right, on the Panthers and Browns games.

that the dolphins looked rough in. But yeah, they might be who we thought they were. It's just the order of events made it look one way and we're talking about meetings and TPS reports when... Yeah.

Well, it started uglier than you would have expected. And what we thought they were was potentially like a seven to eight win team. And that is where they might end up landing. But to your point, Aaron Brewer is playing well, like Patrick Paul has turned into

like a franchise left tackle. Like out of, maybe out of nowhere. Jackson came back to practice this week. His window's open. I don't know how early he's going to be back with the team on the field, but if he comes back, too, they have a pretty complete line. And who knows? Dan Quinn takes over play calling.

He's the new coordinator. He'll have that backwards hat on. I don't know if you can, you know, fully count on the dolphins as like a heavy favorite in any team. In fact, there are only two and a half point favorites. That one is tempting. I do find it interesting as we head to a break that for the second straight season that Washington-Chicago game was kind of like a moment in time with a heartbreaking ending. In this case, it was Jaden Daniels fumbling the ball in the rain, at which the loser of that game

goes into a free fall that no one could possibly expect. The loser, they got to keep putting Jaden versus Caleb in week six or seven every year. And then after that happens, one of the teams will completely fall off the face of the earth. But they'll actually, they'll be there. They're going to travel. The globe is round. Have we checked out the planetary alignments during those games? No.

Because that might, you know, we might have some teach tape moving forward. I'm looking forward to this game. We've heard the enthusiasm for the American football product in Madrid is next level. So I'm looking forward to the crowd and the game. We will be watching early. Let's take one last break. Yes, we break up the early games. We got two more to go before a crazy bit.

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so many people's heads that I can hear your response that you won't like this take that I have and it's related to the Panthers Falcons game and that it's that Bryce Young's got to pick it up a little and it's that I think down the stretch this season he needs to play better than he has been playing this season or they will seek out another quarterback that's my take yeah I mean I don't like it because I like Bryce I think he's fun to watch but yeah

You would need to play better. Okay. Especially better. I thought you would think that was reactionary, maybe a little too reactionary. I think we've reached that point. I've reached that point. Yeah.

Well, I think people reached that point way too early. And it was a little silly to reach that point at that point. But now we're at this point, which is not that point. I think part of the problem in watching last week is that it's not like he's not seeing the field well. It's, you know, he's a short king, but he's seeing the field fine, right? It's not like he doesn't have options to go to, which was a decade-long panthers problem forever. We mentioned it earlier on the show.

And it's not like there's not moments to make a throw. And he's seeing the throw he needs to make. The problem, especially last week, is he was not making the throws. And that's coming up a little too much, in my opinion, this season, to feel totally comfortable with where his development is at. So a couple of games back after coming back from a high ankle sprain and looking pretty good, especially late against the Green Bay Packers on the road. They go on the road again to another team that's been flagrantly inconsistent. The Atlanta Falcons are three and a half point favorites at home. The over under is 42 and a half.

Jordan, it was 30 to nothing. Jason Benetti and Brady Quinn on the call for Fox last time. will it be 30 to nothing the other time? Who are both of these teams and why do they do this? I don't know. I don't know. I started talking about my Bryce Young point before you made your great introduction. I thought it might help break up some of the monotony.

I think that's good. I think we're messing with the form of the show. We could do that. Just keep people. No, really? I just fucked up. Yeah. No.

But it is, I don't know who either of these teams are, but I do know that I like what I see out of the Falcons defense on at least two downs out of every out of every four downs. I like their blitz ideas. I love the way that Jeff Holbroich uses Jesse Bates. I think this is going to be

a huge Jesse Bates game because he is being used as this sort of chess piece that we know he is. Remember when Arthur Smith used to call him the Terminator using him in different blitz packages, simulated pressure, freaking out the quarterback every which way and then roving the field in a way that can also mess up a quarterback who isn't totally looking as of last week like he's quite sure where he's

throwing the ball and isn't quite being on target with those throws. So I think this is a massive Jesse Bates is all over the field making plays game. And could be a big Jalen Walker game too. He's really improved. The last four or five weeks, he's looked like a different player and he's playing a new position essentially in the NFL. He is looking like a really good first round draft pick. I think defenses are going to dare Bryce to beat them because

Bryce is struggling and it's not a good receiver group. Like, Ted McMillan is a very talented, good player. Sometimes he's not on the same page. And then after that, it's maybe the worst group in the entire NFL from two to six down. Xavier Legate, we don't even know if he's healthy. And then on the other side, your guy, it's not your guy. I won't know why I say everyone's your guy. Michael Pennix.

I'll take Mark. second to last in the league among qualified quarterbacks in terms of beating man coverage EPA per play. So when teams play man against them, he's not a guy who either pulls the trigger and just gives his receiver's chances or can put it

on the money. And that's kind of becoming the book on how to attack this Falcons defense. So you had a point you made, I remember, during the breaks of our shows last week, which I thought was great. I was like, oh, that should have been on the show. It was about like it takes a village

for the Falcons to have those sort of numbers in Pennix. There was a particular play. Do you remember that play? It was the... I'm putting you on the spot. It was a dig to the receiver that was drafted by the Jets forever ago

that I've already forgotten his name. Right? Wrong? Now I'm forgetting, too. Certainly not Darno Mooney. No. But either way, it sort of takes away, it raises the point of like

a lot is going into him, struggling like this, I think, in general and what their passing game is struggling with. But he is not a guy who's like able to lift up the team. Yeah. It was David Sills. That's one of the few targets

in between the hashes where he was wide open and Pennix missed him and like they didn't go there the rest of the game, not the Sills, but that part of the field. Yeah, the middle part of the field, which continues to come up over and over and over again when we talk about Michael Pennix, who takes

difficult level throws only, it seems like, and really their passing game flows through Drake London and the odd chance that they actually deploy Bejohn Robinson in the passing game as well to the point where I think I saw a report out of Atlanta today that they were trying out receivers. So it's like, you know, it spells an absence of layers. It spells an absence of guys that they trust. And it also, I mean, it's a, it's a cacophony of problems here with this offense. And I think that's it it starts with the quarterback obviously and but it also is it's everybody in my opinion i mean throwing the pass to uh darnel mooney this season he is 13 for 35 which is like uh like a below average week for show hey otani you know what i mean like that is that should not

be an NFL number if mooney catches that ball on third down just try to keep our dodgers fan eric engaged here yeah if mooney catches the ball um in that game against the colts I think the conversation about both teams Yeah Gotta win this game I mean it's a big one for both teams But you can't get swept by the Panthers If you're the Falcon

It's so crazy how I'm thinking about How much more promising A still bad overall Panthers receivers group is Comparatively To what we know to be Miss after miss After miss after miss after miss after lack of weapon

After lack of weapon after lack of weapon For that team Whoever's scouting receivers for them someone new needs to come in there. Strong take. Strong take. Well, just for help, you know, you don't have to get rid of the game. Yeah, no, you know, just bring in some folks who maybe do things differently than you do your job, which is not very good.

The Houston Texans and Davis Mills, perhaps. On the road, seven point favorites. Remember the Tennessee Titans? They took a break. They took a week off. Still playing football. They still exist. The over under is 39 and a half.

Greg Chris Myers and Mark Schlerth. are on the call and the Houston Texans folks don't look now they're on their way Greg I still don't think enough has been made about the Mills Assants going on no that game I don't know there was something general Mills just there's something about that fourth quarter that I want to believe sparks this Texan thing because they've just been waiting for it they've lost a lot of heartbreakers they have the number one defense in the NFL according to DVOA. They're going to have Davis Mills as their quarterback. It sounds like for another week, which is disappointing, obviously, for Texans fans and for C.J. Stroud's health because he is

still experiencing concussion symptoms a week and a half after suffering the injury. So you don't know if this is going to be more week, but it sounds like he's not close to playing this week. But Davis Mills showed, you know, what the offensive coordinator is there for. And more importantly, like what Schultz and Nico Collins, especially. Ashley is incredible in that game are there for. And I do think they have enough to work with to win a game like this. Now, favored by a touchdown with Davis Mills as your quarterback is that's spicy. That's a take.

That's a strong take. That's looking at what the Titans have done against mediocre defenses and thinking what could they possibly do against this Texan defense. And I get that take. Yeah. No Calvin Ridley, perhaps in this one. And so it's like, it's all in Jamarra, DK, not in the return game, but maybe in the receiving game as well, he and I.O. Manor. And maybe, you know, there's been a chance, a buy gives them an opportunity a couple of weeks to prepare for a really good Houston, Texan defense.

But that's where the spark comes from. I don't necessarily know those Davis-Mills. I think that was more bad Jags, D. Some nice throws. Some nice throws, even better catches on some of those nice throws. And there was an opportunity or two for the Jaguars to end the game with an interception that they didn't take advantage. I thought you can ask for out of your backup quarterback.

I think he's, I truly do believe he's a solid backup quarterback. He's like average. Yeah. You could do worse. Is Jake Browning finally off the list? I mean, he's off. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Out of the conversation. I mean, all we had to go off was, was that magical, that magical seven game. You'll never forget it. I think this is a lot of Cam Ward has to throw on the run because those pass rushers are going to get after it and those dbs can cover forever. So this is a lot of tight window throws and Cam Ward trying to make things happen,

which will be fun to watch. I hope he is okay at the end of this one. But yeah, this is going to be, I think, just that that will be the script for the Titans. And it will be on Mike McCoy, their interim head coach and Kim Ward to kind of show their work in terms of what they did coming out of the bike because it was not a cohesive office.

beforehand, and they still have a lot of development and games to play here for Cam Ward the rest of the season. We have some of the biggest games of the entire season coming up in our late game preview. Depending on how you sort your power ranking, Patrick, we have the top four NFC teams facing off, maybe a divisional round preview. That is coming up in the late games preview. Stick with us. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.

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