NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 NFL Week 12 Late and Primetime Games Preview: Go Girl, Give Us Something

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview the Week 11 primetime and late game action around the NFL. The show starts with a look at the Eagles at the Cowboys followed by Panthers at 49ers on Monday Night Football (09:40), Buccaneers at Rams on Sunday Night Football (15:07), Jaguars at Cardinals (24:45), Browns at Raiders (31:05) and Falcons at Saints (37:05).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Try them for free at wasabi.com. Welcome back to NFL Daily, where we're thinking about all the great points we didn't make on the first. That's what I think about when I leave here. I was just like, oh, I had a banger on how conservative Mike McDonald is, didn't get that one in there. We're going to talk late games. We do that in the second part of the show. And I like the prime time slate this week.

It should be fun. It should be fun, including a game that gets the Fox one team. It's Tom Brady at AT&T Stadium with Kevin Burckhard up there with him. The Philadelphia Eagles are back against the Dallas. Cowballers where they are a three-point favorite Quinn and Williams, DeMarvion, over Sean. The defense looked better. Greg, it was against the Raiders.

They looked better against the Philadelphia Eagles. Yes, because the Eagles offense is not it. And I know this is an easier matchup for them and they're going to play better and it's indoors. All that will help, of course. But I do think it's worth noting like Quinn and Williams could be a force multiplier there where their run defense could immediately get respectable.

I went back and watched some of those overshone snaps. He looked pretty good. So that's adding two important players. You're healthier on the back end with, you know, Duran Blan's been back for a few weeks now, but you get your high pick, uh, Chavon Ravelle is in the mix too. It's pretty deep up front. I just haven't ruled out this Cowboys team,

and maybe it's wishful thinking, being frisky. That's it. And they're basically in prime time. I know this is not prime time. This is, you know, the standalone game at 425. But between Thanksgiving, and prime time, they're basically in primetime for the next five weeks. So get ready for a lot of cowboys.

If you thought we hadn't had enough cowboys this year, more cowboys. Yeah. And they, uh, the only solution is more cowboys, uh, but I feel like this is, they're hoping that you just didn't watch them the entire previous part of the year, although the offense probably feels good about the body of work that it's before. But yeah, yes, it was against the Raiders, but when you kind of watch that defense in a vacuum, the pieces made sense, more of the concepts that they were running made sense. And it looked like a defense that could actually defend multiple types of attacks.

You know, the Raiders aren't running like an 11 personnel attack. The Eagles recently haven't really been leaning on 11 personnel either. And they haven't been successful in anything they've tried to do. Meanwhile, the Cowboys offense is fun. It's downright fun. Not only do you have C.D. Lamb and George Pickens playing awesome football. you have Deck Prescott playing awesome football. You have Brian Schottenheimer in his bag.

They're starting to bring the run game along back like how it was at the beginning of the year a little bit more. And I think that even though this Eagles defense is absolutely great, this is a game where they do have some vulnerabilities if the Cowboys play out of tendency a little bit. If Brian Schotenheimer decides that he's going to use Deck Prescott in the play action a little bit more than the 30% rate very low that he's using him already, the Eagles are very susceptible actually to big plays there. They're allowing almost 10 yards per play out of play action right now, as outstanding as this defense is.

So I think if the Cowboys just expand, just like widen your horizons a little bit. Cowboys, reach your potential. I think this could be a really fun game. It could be a fun game. Jalen Carter is hopefully going to play the entire game this time and not just warm up and be the first spitter and then leave. Enough spitting also.

Yeah, let's put a bow on spitting for the remainder of the 2025. It's been a great era for the NFL. But honestly, I'm going to need to see it consistently to believe, because I know Quinn and Williams and DeMarvie and Overson are going to help. This would go a long way towards making me believe in this Matt Eberflous defense because the situation up front for the Raiders is dire. High schoolish at this point. And so it'll go a long way towards proving that they can be frisky and then maybe like,

maybe like paying attention towards considering the the way things could go in the rest of the NFC but I just think in a situation where the Eagles are back indoors the Cowboys have been so bad

it's going to be fine but it says show me something for like almost every unit in this game has like big questions because I hear you on that but it's like okay how stuck in this mud is the Eagles offense really like this is a great way to find out.

Saquan Barclay's still getting hit, you know, behind the line of scrimmage, like his yards per, you know, in terms of contact before he runs, is worse than some of those Giants years. And Lane Johnson is potentially the best offensive linemen in all of football and is out the next month. Their center Cam Juergens is not at practice on Wednesday, which is their biggest practice day. And he might not be available.

Landon Dickerson, he's been better lately. but he was injured early in the season. So, like, that's, it's not that good of a matchup necessarily in the middle. I just, I agree. I want to see it, but I want to see it out of the Eagles offense, too. Because I got the sense last week, there was a lot of passes from Jalen Hertz who used to be the most accurate quarterback on, like, throws downfield. It just felt like, will you shut up with the narrative balls where he's not even trying to

complete him? He's just trying to, he's just like throwing him up there just for everyone to shut up. I don't really believe that he's, not trying to complete them, but it did just feel like, oh, okay, you want some deep balls to them? I'll overthrow them by 15 yards on the outside. He was having to play the win. I get it. He was having to play the wind in that game where golf looks up.

I love my shut up, my shut up balls. That's what I'm calling it. That's what I wrote is my no shut up balls. Here, damn. Just like, shut up. Hmm. I'll throw it. We might want to workshop that one.

No, I like it. Here, damn. But it's on the other side too. We might want to workshop that one also. So those numbers, the play action. numbers, you know, for the Eagles. Obviously, so much of that is, is, uh, BJ. Oh, I got to really workshop that one.

So I was going to say it's like BC, B. Jalen Phillips trade. How about B.J.P.T. That would be good. No, I still think I need to work on that. I like it. I think we're, we're having fun here. Um, the Eagles, they've had two games, two excellent games. This is like, uh, can, can you do it again against this Cowboys offense?

You know what I mean? Like, it's more of a real test. Yeah. And I love it. I still, if I, if it came out, I guess I missed it. I still don't know why the receivers missed the first series. Both, both George Pickens and C.D. Lam. I assume that won't be the case.

It was an organizational decision to have no context provided about that, by the way. Like, everybody said it was like missing a meeting. There was a report that made sense to me that wasn't from a creditable. reporter. But what the heck, it just sounded so believable that they missed curfew. That's about in Vegas. Oh, in Vegas. Ah, okay. Well, you know, you know, it's an easy place to miscarfew. Walks out there longer. They got inspired by watching the Netflix Cowboys documentary. They wanted to be more like Irv in the gang. I do love this test for the Eagle secondary, for sure. And I love the potential here. Like I said, you know, they don't like, I don't know why.

they don't like to run play action with Dak Prescott. I know he likes to see the field and some quarterbacks hate turning their back to the defense. I understand all of that. But he's completing 80% of his passes when he has run play action, eight and a half yards per attempt and nine touchdowns with no interceptions. I know

I brought that up as potentially a big hinge point, but if you're looking at maximizing advantages where in the few areas that this defense is a little bit weaker, you might try it. You might give it a shot. It really feels like it's a weekly. Can the opponent attack Adori Mitchell, you know, like Ann...

Jackson. And this is the team... He's still on PTBJ. Yeah. This is the team that would seem more able to do that than just about anyone. Because Quinnian Mitchell, I think, and that's... I had Mitchell on the brain. He's having the first team all pro type of...

Yes. I think he is that dude. But hell, George Pickens right now has more yards and Cid Lam on the season. Even when they've played together, he has more yards. He's... I'm not ready to play. put George Pickinson in an all pro conversation, but the numbers would say he should be there. And the eye test as well.

It's too much for me. I love after he makes a catch and he sort of like slumps his shoulders in his head and he sort of just does this thing and he's so relaxed. I saw someone, um, a Rams fan that I know really well. I follow her on social media and she, she said, um, every play that he makes looks like it was initially a mistake or it's like because, but it's just, it's magical. Like the way it's just, it's just, just like, no, he's not supposed to be there right now. Oh, my God. Yeah, he is.

He's Rick Vaughn. He's effectively wild. If you're, if you're a guy in the secondary and you're running towards George Pickens, like when he cut 17 yards towards the middle of the field, you're like, what is he going to do? And sometimes it looks hilarious. You know what the last, you know, month has been justice for? Those of us who had JMO and George Pickens, one and two on their 20, whatever year that was receiver list, finally vindicated.

Take the explosive guys. You want to talk about an explosive pass game? What about on Monday night football, the all-time single game record holder for passing yards, Bryce Young, going up against a defense in the 49ers who gave up the most completions in this game

in NFL history to Jacoby Brissette last week, and the Niners are favored by seven on Monday night football. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman there. Can Bryce do it again, Jordan? I think he could have some success against this 49ers group. And in part of that is because, A, let's see him throw it 70 times, right?

Like, just go for it. And B, Dave Canales is moving Ted McMillan around the stack. It's not just that he's playing more in the slot, which Dave Canales was talking about this week. And that could be extremely advantageous against a defense like the 49ers, who, as we have known, have been Fred Warnerless for a while and are relying on sort of like a five foot nine, very, very physical upton stout, but like it's, it's a depleted group otherwise. And so the middle of the field is, is very susceptible. But it's also that against a really young group in the defensive backfield, relatively speaking, you know, they're also moving Ted McMillian into different leverage areas,

even in bunched sets on the outside. So like he's not just the X split out wide like we saw a lot in the beginning. He's also like on the inside leverage in a two by stat. or he's basically changing assignments on the defenders, and that's going to be extremely advantageous for Bryce Young as his favorite target. And it'll be also really a very mathematical disadvantage, I think, to the 49ers who were just so injured

that it's hard to counter this type of attack. He's a real number one receiver. So I ask you guys, if you could do the draft again, would you take him or Abuka? I think I would actually take DMA. I'm going to give my first. Sean McVeigh, this is why I've ever. you know, trying to trade up for T-MAC.

So who do you take between those two? That's tough. Well, Egbuk is my favorite player. I thought it would be a good question. And I think they're the two leaders for a rookie of the year. Jackson Dart's injury probably heard him there. I think T-Mack has a path. He's probably not the guy right now, but he has a path to win that award.

I will use the right to say that I will go with T-Mack because that's what I said back during the draft. That T-Mack will be my one. But I think it depends on your quarterback. I think the two are exactly where they need to. to be in terms of the past. Yeah, I agree. They could be both first team all pros together someday. I love that. And I, I also love to. This is, we're seeing it again, you guys. This is like

two really, really great receivers in the NFC South. Now the teams can vary at one point, but I just love that these guys are going to be growing up together a little bit. Like, that's just fun to me. On the other side of the ball, this is a sneaky question mark game for what Kyle Shanahan might game plan out. Panthers and linebackers have been dealing with injuries. Christian Roseboom, who's been starting for them, was reporting some hamstring issues earlier in the week. So, you know, this might be a sneaky, like, vintage Kyle Shanahan circles a player

in your back seven and just spams the ball at him the entire game. With Brock Purdy being back, you know, he's in his A-plus sort of game planning. I love it. And a Christian McCaffrey revenge game where, you know, we just saw the Panthers defense not necessarily look great. We could get a calculator game with all sorts of weird implications. The bucks looking at the Panthers on Monday night. Like the bucks could have come up off of a loss.

And the Panthers could be coming closer in the NFC South. The Panthers could be in first place at the end of this game. This is there isn't even any debate. This is easily the Panthers biggest game since one I attended. Maybe Jordan Rodriguez was there as well, which was Cam Newton's last playoff loss. When he went to New Orleans, they lost to Alvin Camer. and Mark Ingrams and he put up about $3.50 and three touchdowns and lost.

And it was like Christian and receivers who I actually don't remember their names. And I don't mean that disrespectfully. But it was like, I remember Ron Rivera had made T-shirts sort of making light of it because they sounded like a law firm, the group of receivers that Kim had, which was a repeated issue there. Yeah. And it's an issue that we don't need to go down that road. That Bryce Young had for two years.

And I was thinking about it last week when Jalen Coker caught some of those fastballs from Bryce Young. One was on like a very difficult catch that he made over the middle to keep a drive going. I was thinking like Coker really matters. They love Jalen Coker. He really matters for this offense to give them another receiver. I know he's been healthy now for a few weeks, but he's coming into it.

And on the 49er side, look, with their schedule, this is a huge game. It should go without saying in terms of the NFC wildcard race. But especially the 49er schedule, which is pretty favorable. There's winnable games. Like, if they can be a top

eight offense with Pearsall, who looked good last week. I thought, I know he didn't make any catches, but I went, like, he looked fast. He looked healthy. CMC, Juan Jennings, and Kittle are all playing together with Purdy for the first time all season. Purdy kind of got a perfect, like, warm-up

game where he's just like got whatever kinks out and they put up a 40-burger. Like, there's a pretty easy path for them winning 11 or 12 games and being like a six-seat. It's crazy. It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places. Los Angeles Rams are going to welcome back one of their own.

Baker Mayfield is coming back to SoFi Stadium on Sunday night football where the Rams are favored by six and a half points, Greg. Mike Torrico and Chris Collinsworth on the call. Rams fresh off of that big win against the Seahawks. How do you think they'll look against Baker and the Bucks? I think they'll look good because they've been as consistent as any team in the league. And that raises a question, what does Baker Mayfield look like? Because, look, when he arrived in Los Angeles, just a couple games before that, you know, Fame Thursday Nighter, he's at a low point in his career.

He had revenge on his mind. You know, he just got cut. He's going to have revenge on his mind this week, too, because he just got cut off of a quarterback island. By me. Let's hear from Baker. I mean, there's no way for me to, you know, sugarcoat it. It was pivotal in my career and my journey. I've told you guys that helped me find the football or the fun and football again, that joy.

And just getting to learn from those guys. Obviously, it looks a lot different now that Rahim Morris has gone, Zach Robinson, Liam, but Sean's been there the whole time. So it's, yeah, they help me out and, you know, help me discover what offense I really want to play in and, you know, the responsibility that comes with in that, a lot of accountability of the scrimmage and to check and get to the right plays. But, yeah, it was instrumental in my career,

something I'm forever grateful for, and it'll be fun to go back and see some familiar faces. Oh, I love that. I was like, I, yeah, I get, I think what people don't realize, and I know there's, I get a lot of like, why do I like Baker Mayfield so much or why am I always rooting for Baker Mayfield? And it's, it's partially because of that. Like, I got to see that happen. And he talks so much about how, like, he found the fun in football again in that moment. What I hope he realizes is that he saved that building, him coming in all up and, until that game, let me remind people, Sean McVeigh had given up play calling. I've written about this extensively at the athletic. He was in the worst, like, sort of mental health of his life to that point. And he was, he was reeling. And the entire building felt it. Matthew

Stafford was injured. The entire building was, was tense and depressed and miserable. And you could feel it walking into, it was like the atmosphere was heavy and it weighed on you. And when Baker Mayfield got to town, get the bleep button ready behind the glass. But he just, he came in there and he just said, fuck it, we ball. And he had the most fun, the day he got off the plane walking into that building, he brought Sean McVeigh back, he brought several of those assistant coaches back, and then he got them hired in other buildings because of the work they all did together. And they're currently either offensive coordinators or head coaches because of Baker Mayfield.

and he brought that entire roster back into joy in a way that was so pure and true and like one of the coolest things I've ever seen in my entire life and second only was when I got to talk to him after that game he showed up and 30 hours later he was winning Thursday night football and he showed me his notebook and all of his notes

after the game and it was one of the coolest things ever how you could tell almost when he flipped a page over how he had come back to life. Because I'm not kidding, it was all in color, everything, all of these different colors of these plays and these little cadences that he had to remember. And then he wears the wristband. And Sean does not call one of the plays on the wristband. He's just going. They're freestyling the entire way. Like, I've never seen something like that happen in life or in football. And it's like, it is a beautiful thing. And I know that there's like a lot of mutual love there and it changed a trajectory not just of baker mayfield's

career but of sean mcfay and the los angeles rams as well because they were spiraling it is it's such an awesome story and so well told there too like in them now meeting at this point of the season who knows maybe they'll meet again in like the playoffs you could see that happening at some point with these almost surprising they haven't gone up against each other uh at this point because you're at a point where the rams are in the opposite of where they were then they are as high as they've ever been in the McVe era, like in the regular season. You had the Jared Gough Super Bowl season. They were in the

stratosphere there, but here it's more of like a complete team where I think a lot of people this week are coming around to the idea that, hey, this is maybe the best team in football and it's not just about McVeigh's play calling, which is incredible and Stafford's play, which is awesome. It's being able to win a game where he throws for 130 yards and having a defense, Patrick, this week, that should create problems for a Baker Mayfield who's struggling. And man, he is as streaky a quarterback as I think there's been in the NFL. I would put

Kirk Cousins in that group too and prime Kirk Cousins as any. And he feels like he's in a little bit of a dip. And you never know when he's going to come out of it. Like maybe the Rams in this great matchup, for some reason that makes sense to me that actually he'll come out of it this week. Like the week he gets off quarterback island, the week he's almost a touchdown underdog. Like I could see that happen. He's going to need some help from from Grizzard you know as our king yeah the lizard king uh in this one because the the matchup with buffalo seemed to dictate running the ball and they came out running the ball they ran the ball very well Sean Tucker had a great game but I felt like you never really got Baker involved enough in the past game when when the bills

started going up and down the field and it's kind of a similar situation here where you'd like to attack the Rams on the ground, but the team's never going to be as good as they're going to be unless Baker is having that success through the year that he was having earlier in the season. And you get the big plays, you know, from Tess Johnson and Abuka. And maybe, you know, Chris Godwin and Bucky Irving are getting closer to playing, according to Todd Bowles in the middle of the week here in week 12, where we can kind of see what they were, like where they were. But they're not doing it unless they're sling it. And I don't think

a Godwin is going to be a difference maker for them. coming off that injury. Mike Evans would be, it's just weird because Tess Johnson and Sterling Shepard seem open. I think that's been the biggest problems is he's hunting these big plays

and he's not taking the checkdowns that are there. He is 31st right now in success rate in the NFL when he has not been pressured. The only quarterbacks behind Baker Mayfield on the season are Cam Ward, J.J. McCarthy and Dylan Gabriel, three rookies, essentially. And there seemed like there's open receivers

there to be had. And he's been forcing it a lot to Abuka or holding it. And teams have had success, you know, stopping him from running, at least until last week. If you're King Grizzard, the Lizard wizard, and you're listening to this show right now, you, I think the way you get Baker back to himself is to get him involved in the running game. And to get him to hit him on some of those perimeter runs that the Rams are susceptible to. And also to get your run game on these toss runs toward the perimeters that the Seahawks had

a lot of success with. Even as it was tough sledding sometimes for them up the middle, running those old vintage Kubiak plays, you know, the Zorro toss and all those perimeter toss runs really was effective. And Baker is a perimeter runner too. And so I think that's how you kind of get Baker Mayfield's juice back and get him flowing and get him like I just, I just remember and watching it. It's like you almost got to shake him out of his mind a little bit. You got to shake him out of it. And sometimes taking a hit, getting a first down and taking a hit will do that. And I think that that's an effective way to actually attack a Rams defense that is going to pressure the crap out of him and also be very, very difficult to run the ball on up the middle.

He really missed Hassan Redick, who's possibly going to be back for this game, but it doesn't sound like it. But his window could be open. And he really helped them out because they are blitzing a ton and they're not getting, like, a ton of pressure, and he was really valuable for them. They might get Kalasha Kansi back for the playoffs, potentially, but they just haven't quite been the same. I'll be curious to see if Jamel Dean plays in this game. He left with injury last week.

He has been their best cornerback, and they've just been, like, it's come down to them just being, like, a terrible red zone team for some reason on both sides of the ball. Like, they actually are profiling as a better team than they've really shown up. But when other teams get in the red zone, they score, and when they get in the red zone,

the red zone they don't score, that it's a bad combination. All right, let's take a break. Hopefully, we get a perfect little sequel to that Baker game. Yeah. It would be fun either way. Although, you know what I think of the sequel to that Baker game? It was the 50 burger he put on the Broncos on Christmas. That was like the sequel.

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Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty. Back on NFL Daily. Jordan is here. Patrick is here. Yes. The Claymates are going crazy everywhere. Claibond bonds. The Claybon bonds.

Claybon even. No, the claymates won the contest of the Patrick Claybone. fan club how have you heard that the meetings have been going lately of the clay band vivant

well I think people are deranged that they would associate themselves with me anyway I know they're having to bounce back

it was too much yelling for me in last week in general but there's hey we got no more early

early rise wake up and watch that's true we're done with the international slate so that particular part of the bit

is dead I may yell. Emphasis on Bitt, by the way, listeners. Thank you. Cross that off. Patrick really loves international football. But I also love football here in Los Stato Sonito.

Where the Jacksonville Jaguars, who I thought, hey, it's over. The charges are going to go over to Jacksonville. No, they did not. Liam Cohen and the squad said no. And they are two and a half point favorites against, again, the NFL's all-time single season, single game completions record holder,

Jacoby Brissette. Jordan. What does he have in store for us this week? The overrunner is 47.5. Spiro Ditas and Adam Archiletto on the call. Man, it's just hard to trust the Cardinals by about the halfway point of any season, really. If the Jaguars can run the ball the way that they did last week, there is no shot for Arizona in its game. Because they were just, it was a very depleted offensive line by the Chargers. I will say, while they are not from the same coaching family per se,

there's some similarities in the type of matchup-based zone coverages that Jesse Minter likes to play and the matchup-based zone coverages that Jonathan Gannon likes to play. Liam Cohen and his group just took the teeth completely out of that defense and they're feeling themselves right now. And yet, I don't have any particular faith that the Jaguars will because this running game, usually we talk about like a quarter, quarterback's inconsistent or, like, their running game is inconsistent.

If you watch like five games this year, five certain games, they look like one of the best coolest groups in the league. And the other five, they've stunk. Messy fun. Right. And this is weirdly kind of the prove it game, I think, for the Jaguars. Because I think, I can totally imagine them losing this game. If you're going to be a real serious team, if you're going to make the playoffs essentially,

this game is a game that you can and should. win. And so I just want to see it. Like, I'm not sure it's going to happen. I probably am going to take the Cardinals. I don't know why. Yeah, I'm not sure why either, Greg. Because I, because it just doesn't make sense because the Cardinals shouldn't be three and seven. They're not this bad. No, they're not, but they've gotten worse. And yet they are. It's true. They have gotten a lot worse. They said, Mac Wilson went to IR and it got to the point where even you, Greg, were thinking the Seahawks had figured out the run game because they were playing the the Arizona Cardinals and they're good on defense, but no, like that, that was just not the case.

And then Christian McCaffrey is having his best yards per carry performance of the season. And so like either those two teams suddenly got much better at running the ball or the Cardinals are just falling off the map on defense and not having a guy who's been good in past coverage as well with the run fits. He's the team captain. He's making the calls as well where it's having a whole lot of impact where I'm watching the way that and we'll see if Bayesian will Tutton is able to play in this game, but both of him and ETN, you could throw Trev in there. If the Jags can run the ball against you, that's the spot. So like if they're going to win any games, I would take them to win this one. Man, you know, it was kind of cool, was watching that game last week, and Bachel Tootin

came out swinging. Like, he looked like a steam engine immediately. And it almost was like, you know, ETN was like, okay, hold my beer. Like, I'm going to, you know, and become really this dominant one to, punch, and I just, I loved it. I thought it was cool. You could see them, like a true, um, two back system.

You could see them, almost feeding off of each other's success prior to the injury. Um, I hope he plays. I'm, I'm in the tootun hive as, as we know. You were honking. The Tutton hive was, was loud and enjoying it and not happy when ETN came like back into the game.

And then, and then Tutin got hurt, I think. What? You just wanted all to tune all the time. I wanted everyone to be successful. You were just like, lean on to, and we don't need any of this. Did you hear Patrick just now? Did Greg do that thing where he just made up something that you like?

You were, you were wanting him to carry the load. They're both limited. Both limited. So that's a good sign. He's already limited. Pick him up. I do think he's a good pickup. I noticed he's available in both my kids leagues.

So I was like, Tuton. I think they're both startable in this game. If you have them both, if you've got like a handcuff situation, you've got Tootin in the event that ETN goes down. Go ahead and put them both in your lineup this week, especially with all the buys. I was watching that game. If you're Tootin, get to scootin.

I was watching that game last week. And Walter Nolan had another good game. And I'm thinking, oh, Clayas Cam was playing pretty well. And Josh Twett's out there. They put a lot into this defense. And you're right. They're not stopping the run. It's just why I feel like at some point they should win some games.

Maybe they'll get back, Tray Benson. Probably not this week, but he might come back. Jacoby Brissette, despite all the eyeball, like he looks like he's playing well, and he's set in records. He's 29th out of 33 qualifiers in QBR. You know, there's like a million different stats, but in QBR, which does penalize you quite a bit

for not being able to run, which he can't and the turnovers that he's had, which have happened. You know, he's actually been significantly worse than Kyler Murray. And he will not... Worth point out. He will not have Marvin Harrison, Jr., back for another week after the appendix surgery of two weeks ago. Shout out Michael Wilson.

Yes. Highly productive yet no touchdown. Yeah, the seventh highest scoring fantasy game of all time by a receiver that didn't have a touchdown. It's got to be the top by a receiver who's definitely not the best athlete in his own family.

The Cardinals are also have been in his own marriage. Emerging running backs all year or two. DeMarcado is now banged up. I mean, this team is struggling. They're struggling. Would you guys like to talk about two struggling football teams? Yeah, I would.

The Cleveland Browns are playing the Las Vegas Raiders. The Raiders are favored by three and a half points over under. Oh, I'm taking that. It's 36 and a half Tom McCarthy and Ross Tucker are on the call as, Greg, there are clearly people in Las Vegas who have confidence with the Raiders, do you? I do not. I am doing a first, which is. You know, we do our segments with Cynthia against the spread. It went three and O last week, seven straight winning weeks.

I'm previewing one of my picks here. Let's go Browns and Shadur Sanders plus three and a half. Let's listen to Shadir. I know our fans have a lot of expectations and hope. And I would be doing a disservice to myself and disservice to the organization if I didn't feel like I am the guy. all right he believes in himself he was a very jovial press conference i watched a chunk of it he's he always seems happy to be there which which i appreciate obviously my pick is not about shudor

sanders it's partly about that i don't think the passing game is going to be demonstrably different with him and dylan gabriel like he might take more sacks you might have a couple more big plays it's not going to be good it just it would be surprising if it was good even against the raiders it's just that we have literally the number one defense according to DVOA and the NFL playing for one of those teams and they're the underdogs in this game so I just feel better about that team.

Yeah, I agree and I think too the things that even the Raiders are like I don't want to even say doing well because nothing is going well. They look completely incompetent in every single phase but the thing that does work when things work is Brock Bowers and using more 12 personnel. Well, hey, the Cleveland Browns are perfectly

built to defend dynamic tight ends, especially across the middle of the field, because they have an absolute freak in rookie linebacker, Carson Swessinger, who you brought up earlier making plays. Like this is such a bad matchup, even with the struggles on offense that the Browns have been going through, such a bad matchup if you're the Raiders, because this defense can just absolutely smother you, and to win this game, they should score, and I think they will score. I misspoke, by the way, their fifth in total efficiency. I think it was, maybe it was against the past they were number one or something like that yeah i i am with you gregg uh hopefully cynthia doesn't pick up a game on game day view on us because we were both taking uh the the

the road dog to come in there and win but the to think about this game and what i'll hope to talk about when we do game debut is there was a third and one in this game where the raiders had two tight ends to the left and the cowboys were in zone like to the strength of the formation on the other side. And there were no numbers, and they run a toss to Ashton Genti on third and one, and with no numbers, and he's tackled for a four-yard loss,

and that was one of the final Chip Kelly called runs of the game, and that was in the third quarter, where I don't know what they're trying to do. I don't know what they want to do, and I don't know if they have the personnel to do or what they're trying to do. It's bad all around, so yeah, They're not beating Cleveland.

Like we talked in the earlier show about the Ravens and their issues with finding Miles Garrett, who should be like the number one priority. Now I'm asking this offensive line, which is even worse. And reports kind of surfacing too about offensive linemen not knowing their assignments and not knowing what the calls are. And it's just like it's all bad. And there's also a disconnect. I was texting Greg about this.

Like we have eyeballs. We know that it would be really difficult to run the ball behind this offensive line regardless of who you are as a running back, regardless of who you are as a coordinator to call runs, it's just not going to probably be very successful. At the same time, Pete Carroll comes out there every week into the media and A, talks about how surprised he is that the defense isn't playing better. I'm like, the roster is the roster, man. And then B, comes out and talks about how they need to run the ball more. And I'm like, are you telling your offensive coordinator this? Are you guys speaking to each other? Are you communicating? Because

it seems like there's just pockets of disconnect everywhere in that building. Right. And there's already reports kind of floating out there that, yeah, it could be a one and done for Pete and for Chip. And then, you know, John Spitech who had that relationship. We had him on the show, you know, with Tom Brady on some level, who's the general manager. His draft class, even if you look after Ashen Zenti, is contributing about as little as any draft class in the entire NFL.

Like they had two offensive linemen. They took him the third round that don't play. on this offensive line. Jack Bess was a second round pick who's not really playing or contributing at wide receiver like Dary and Porter's at cornerback. And I'm sure he'd want some of those guys to play more.

You know, you would imagine, but they're not even making it to the field. This is a hot seat game for both the coaches, although Kevin Stavansky is 1 and O in hot seat games this year. Beating Mike McDaniel in a bloodbath. Maybe a tryout of sorts for Kevin Staphans. That's spicy.

Last thing I want to say, shout out to Evan Silva, Adam Levittan, do great work at Establish the Run, great podcast. I was listening to them. And I thought they were underselling just a little bit how good Quinn John Jenkins is. This is how good I think Quinn John Jenkins is. I would take him over Ashton Genty right now if I'm doing a redraft. I think Gentie is a good player and he'll have a good career. I think Judkins is a special player.

They're both in bad situations. but I think Junkins has it. Wow, that's spicy. That's very spicy. My take. Okay. I'm going to disagree with the day. Not a huge, huge thing, but it's like, yeah, I'd take him.

I think he's going to have a great career. We've got one more game. It's the Atlanta Falcons. It's the New Orleans Saints. It's one of the best rivalries in professional sports among the fan bases. The teams is, you know, sometimes things get active there. The Saints are favored by one and a half points. get well soon to Michael Pinnock, Jr.

who is out for the remainder of the season with a torn ACL Adam Amine and Drew Brees on the call, Greg? Drew Brees. Didn't mention I had his game last week. I'm going to do a segment that I think we're only going to do once, which is constructive criticism for Drew Brees.

And my feedback would just be like, give us more. That's it. what do you mean though you know that's that sort of meme like like go girl give us nothing you know there's like early career duelipa but like after after that meme yeah do alipa did begin to give us she turned yeah she's a showman so you're trying to do what that famed commenter did for drew brief and you know what i want to be fair it's very low energy it you know how they say it's like oh

just be yourself when you're on tv it's like well not not totally You want a little more if you're low energy. I think even literally by the end of that game, I do feel bad about this. I think he was even perking up and getting more into it by the end of the game. But yeah, just give us more.

And because the Saints fans are going to be watching, and that's a great fan base, but not all the Saints fans. I saw something our friend Adam sent to us. They've lost Shreveport. Shreveport's not even getting this game. That's how bad the Saints are right now. They're getting the Cowboys game.

Like locally. And it is like West Louisiana, which has a lot of Cowboys fans. But I don't think that's a normal thing, that they're not getting Falcon Saints in the state of Louisiana. And you get closer to like Smitty's hometown and they're playing the Eagles. There is some of that. There's a lot of Cowboys fans. I get it, but. You guys want to play like a very quick guessing game?

Oh. Okay. So we know the Falcons love to Blitz a lot, right? That's their favorite thing to do. And it's a great way they're manufacturing pressure. And Tyler Shuck being the quarterback on the other side. How many passes? Just put a number on it.

Do you think Tyler Shuck has so far completed against the Blitz? Three. Six. Well, you both sold him a little short. Only nine passes completed against the Blitz. That feels like a lot for two games. Am I crazy? You're not not a lot.

Teams are blitzing him a lot. Okay. So on 22 blitzes, nine completions. So this is going to be another, hey, is this an actual data set to follow? Or is this something that he can solve and figure, out. That's important. I don't think he's looked bad, honestly. I don't think he's looked bad. He won't have Brandon Cooks, who is taking up a lot of the snapshot. So Brandon Cooks and the Saints mutually agreed to part ways, which I know Greg had some thoughts about. I'm trying to

tee Greg up on his blue mistakes here. Well. Now that we're handing out constructive criticism. Look, we spent all last offseason saying the Saints cannot move forward, or last season, in actually progress as a franchise if they keep Mickey Loomis. There is no restart with Nicky Loomis. And it's gotten even worse. That was one of the craziest contracts in the entire NFL. Who was bidding against them to pay Brandon Cook's like 7.5 guaranteed? Like, this was easy to see coming.

I think they were able to get out of some of the guarantee. If someone else signed them, which we'll see. I want to see if the Tyler Shuck stuff, to be real. I like it against the defense. over because I don't know if, like, a lot of it was in create mode, which was interesting. He is talented, but can he do it in more of the structure of the offense? And this is a better defense. This defense can really turn it on.

You know, everybody has to have a good game. We were talking about Jesse Bates last week having probably one of his poorer games in recent memory, but this defense, they're getting pressure better. The rookie pass rushers that they brought in are playing really well. so I like the test for Tyler Shuck against this this Falcons defense and on the other side of it I mean you know the Saints defense kind of is what it is

at this point and we don't really know what a new era of Kirk Cousins Falcons offense is going to look like and yeah as Mike Triplett said courtesy of Drew Christensen who did tell me that they got the $2 million removed from the guarantees but Mike Triplett reporting that they were able to save those two million dollars there's some other money yeah but they still there was 7.8 guaranteed when it has the the ed on it it's like they weren't really guarantee they still have to pay them all that well and that's the thing and which is

why we should change the way we discuss right guarantees uh because it can't be in guarantees if it's guaranteed then then that money is going to the player no matter what conditional guarantees is an oxymoron also um reaggravations of injuries um is another thing that that I will discuss because Michael Pinnock, Jr. was on that report with a knee sprain, and then he's playing, and now they're saying it's partially torn. If you have a tear in your anterior cruciate ligament,

you have a torn ACL. So my general question would be, did Michael Pinnock Jr. play games with a torn ACL? That would be my question, as he now, his season is over, and the Saints are playing in this game. So before we go, guys, since you both were at the famed,

Final playoff game of Cameron Jurel Newton. Can you name three of the players that he completed passes to in that game? Caelin Clay. Wow, you got Kaelin Clay. She covered the team. This isn't fair. Ted Ginn's no longer there. No.

We're past the Ginn era at this point. Trying to think who the tight end is for that team. Ginn was actually playing for the Saints at the time. Wow. Christian McCaffrey Okay Oh yeah That's a good one

You got to Jonathan Stewart Nope What? No Jay Stu Miss Jay Stu How long ago Do you think

That game was Craig? I don't know Oh it's the He was in that game bro Like you guys are making fun of me Jonathan Stewart's on that team

Jordan You covered that team And you're coming at me for that It's 17 right Oh yeah You're right And then Oh my gosh

It was the the short receiver that returned a punt for them one time. God, I don't remember. Britain Berson. Oh. But also, you could have accepted the guy that's going to be in the call of the Minnesota and Green Bay game because G-Rig was still playing. Oh.

But Greg had a Liz Frank, right? Was that the same? No, that was a year later. Damn it. Now, he had eight catches for 107 yards. Oh, I missed the list. Because I was going to guess Greg. And then I was like, no, I remember standing in his locker after he got the Liz Frank.

So I missed it by a year. Yeah. But yeah, that's how much we're looking forward to this Kirk Cousins versus Tyler Shuck. That's actually pretty talented offense. Greg Olson, Jonathan Stewart, Christian McCaffrey. Just a complete vacuum at the other important. Yeah, got to get Britain Burson out there. Yeah, I had wiped the memory of Bretton Burson.

Falcon Saints. I'm going to be assigning that to myself. There it is. Because that is one of the rules that I've lived by on both the around the NFL podcast and NFL Daily is at one time I missed a classic. Saints Falcons and I said never again because it always delivered so is Drew Breeze this weekend. There it is. Go girl.

After you're coaching. That's it for week 12 and look by the next preview show the season will be just about to start because the season starts at Thanksgiving according to Bill Parcells but the MVP conversation is already rolling. We are too we will be back on

Thursday night. It's going to be Jordan Rod Rigg and Nick Shook doing the recap for a big Bills and Texans game. We got some extra programming this week. I'm excited to debut. But until then, football's back.

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