NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 NFL Week 14 Early Games Preview

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon and Steve Wyche to preview the early slate of Week 14 action starting with the Steelers at the Ravens followed by Bengals at Bills (12:00), Colts at Jaguars (17:40), Seahawks at Falcons (25:22), Saints at Buccaneers (29:50), Commanders at Vikings (35:46), Dolphins at Jets (39:49), and Titans at Browns (44:03).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have reached the best slate of the season. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio with my friends, Patrick Claibon and Steve Weish. I've done a scientific breakdown. No, it's just off vibes. I think this is it. I think this is the slate I'm most excited

for all season long. But let me ask you this. Are you more excited for the slate or the fact that Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft? The answer is no. Our finalists together to go into the pro football hall of fame potentially. Okay.

Okay. Let's start here. In January. You know a lot about the voters. I do. Do you think that they'll be more likely to vote them in together because they want to see that messiness or less likely because it's weird or distraction? No, I think they would bring them in together. I honestly can't see how they would put in one, knowing the voters, put in one and not the other. Because Robert Kraft should have been in.

Right. I could see how they would because to me, Bill Belich. check is, you know, one of the greatest coaches of all time. And Robert Kraft has been waiting to get in year after year, he's an owner, you know? I think, I think they both will go. If you're going to put in one, I think you're going to put in

two scoops, the Patriots will play in the game so if Rable can be there, it could be, you know, a whole weekend and can't full of mass. I would like to request officially to Iheart, Matt Schneider, whoever is out there listening, I want to go to that weekend.

Steve still needs to go. Everyone else still needs to go. Just pack me on. I will go in Steve's luggage. I can fit. A perfect sumnation of all of the circumstances where it's a great accomplishment by the New England Patriots just adorned by a whole bunch of mess and everybody will ignore

and we'll talk about it's like oh yeah this team's dealing with a distraction. It's chaos like people punching each other houses on fire and it's like yeah the Patriots win again. Perfect way to sum it all. How awesome would it be? You got first ballot guys like you know Drew Brees and Larry's

Gerald, you know, Luke Kekley, she'd be going in toward all these guys. Can you imagine being like overshadowed by that? I think I think that group of guys can absolutely imagine being overshadowed by the New England Patriots. That's fair. And yet, you know what? For real. Hey, let's be real. More attention on that weekend in general, I think will be even better for the great like Breeze and Fitzgerald.

But yes, the slate. And it's not about having every game one to six. theme, perfect. And in fact, there's four by teams this week, the last by week. It's more about having great games at each part of the schedule. So we started off with a banger, Cowboys Lions

on Thursday night. In the early window which we're going to talk about on this show, we got Steelers Ravens, we got Burrow versus Josh Allen, and we got a battle for the top of AFC South. Three really good ones all at once. In the late window, one of the biggest, most interesting games of the year, Bears and Packers,

a real test for the Bears to decide that division. And then the next two primetime games, Texans, Chiefs, and Eagles. It's just spread out where this is it. I'm all. Yeah, even when, right, because obviously the direct impact on the others playoff hopes for these games in the division, but the non-divisional games having direct impact as well. So looking forward to it, cannot wait. We start with a team that is moving the wrong direction, at least on offense.

The Baltimore Ravens favored by six, though, because the Pittsburgh Steelers are also moving in the wrong direction on offense. We're talking meetings and hand signals this week, Greg. Jim Nance and Tony Romo on the call. Can Aaron Rogers and Arthur Smith and the Steelers offense get it sorted out against the Ravens defense? I don't think so because the most consistent side in this game right now. And I'm counting over the last four to six weeks is the Ravens defense. It is crazy.

It's funny how seasons just change. This happens all the time too. They're the group I kind of trust. us to stifle a struggling side, and that's what the Steelers' offense is. So they're the group that makes me feel good about the Ravens in this game. First of I can't see the six. I mean, the six, this is

a rivalry game. Neither one of these teams has shown any type of consistency, like, which makes you think, even when you say the Ravens' defense, like they're going to get a pick six. Like, you just don't, you just haven't seen it. I think it's going to be a closer game.

It's interesting, though, when you say about the Ravens' defense, you look at the stats of that game against Cincinnati. And you're like, that was a disaster. I mean, they allowed the Bengals to run 90 plays. Remember, they turned it over five times. That's not going to happen again in this game. And I do think that Greg Roman got it talking to, like, get the ball to 22. And based on what we just saw the bills do to the Steelers running the football, why wouldn't you?

I mean, you give up 250 rushing yards, the most ever at Acresher Stadium since back when it was three rivers or riverfront, whatever, which one it was. I just think it's going to be an ugly ball game. I'm going to be covering this game for NFL Network. I'll be there with Baldi. But I just, Pittsburgh, man, there's nothing about them right now that looks good, Patrick. Well, the thing that you would hope to have, right, for the Baltimore Ravens is you'd like to be able to win a boring game. Right. Where you average five yards of gear.

The Ravens don't do that. The Ravens live on explosive plays. Lamar is going to hunt explosive plays even when he's not 100%. And when they don't get those, they press. They do weird things. They turn the ball over like they did against the Cincinnati Bengals. The bright side is the Pittsburgh Steelers on offense

have completely forgotten how they're going about things. They have a goal-to-go situation against Buffalo and Aaron's throwing the hand signals. They're having conversations about hands. Why don't you hand the ball off? Just kidding. Why don't you give the ball? all of Jalen Warren in that instance, get another touchdown.

They're in that game. Instead, like, we're having these weird discussions. Aaron holding on the ball. Aaron hasn't held on the ball all season long where I don't know, like if you, the bloody nose, does that convince Aaron to change his ways in this game? It's two offenses where I don't feel comfortable either way. I don't either, but I just trust that, like I said, in the Ravens' defense a little more. The only problem with what you're saying about Derek Henry, you're absolutely right. And they're not going to have Justice Hill in this game.

he's going to be out maybe up to a month according to John Harbaugh. He's, you know, good backup. So is Keaton Mitchell. Yeah, Keaton and Mitch. No Derek Harmon in this game either, who has really helped out the Steelers run defense. And some of the people that covered the team believe that was a big factor last week, why they struggled without

Derek Harmon. I don't know if I trust the Ravens running game because I've seen some stuff like you look at the yards per carry, it's pretty good. If you look at success rate, if you look at consistency, I drew up all the different numbers that you could, whether it's EPA or success rate, everything over the last four weeks

divide a pass run. And it's all very consistent. It's all very consistently mediocre. It's all a little below average. Everything is like you're the 20th best offense in the league, no matter what type of metric you want to use. And man, that's an offensive line problem. That's a play calling problem because I don't think it's a Derek Henry problem. Well, maybe a little. I don't want to say is a Derek Henry problem, and Patrick, you're Ravens fan. This is as finesse as we have ever seen them look. I mean, their offensive line gets reset.

That's what I mean. They just they don't have any just, let's just line it up and whoop them anymore. And it's you know, again, this is a rivalry game so maybe we'll see some of that a little bit on both sides. I'm not sure because the one thing about the Steelers

when you watch them and it's like an every other week thing, their defensive guys can't get off blocks. I mean, when you watch a game against Buffalo, they were locked on like they had Velcro. And what Buffalo did with two backup offensive tackles, whipped them. Yeah, but Mike Tomlin says they're going to go back to being physical this week. They're going to focus on, they're going to double down on physicality. How does that work?

I'd really be interested in like a follow-up question. So it's try harder? Yeah. Like you guys didn't try to be physical last week? Like, so the 26th zone run carry for James Cook? It's not like a point where it's like, hey, guys, have we considered effort? Like, no, I think they have, especially because Steve mentioned getting off the blocks, I don't think it's as much of a problem because, you know, we've talked about the Rosen Garden,

Rosen Garden, Falay, Adventure over on the right side, where anytime they're required to move, things go wrong. And you want Derek Henry to build up that speed because, like, he and Lamar, typical, like, they are home run hitters. If the option is maybe lose a couple yards. or get 25? Those guys are going to try to hit the 25 yards every time. But when things are so uncertain on the right side of the line, it makes it tough.

So I think Lamar looked better last week. He certainly ran better. He didn't play well at all in that game. That was one of the worst games considering where he's at, having won two MVP, is like of his career, considering his stature. But what I mean is just physically, he moved pretty well. There were a couple plays where he let it go and he ran by people. But I think it's a great point you make.

Patrick of just hunting the big plays. They just don't have anything beyond Zay Flowers that's consistent for them. And even Zay Flowers, there's a miscommunication every game where you're not exactly sure where Zay Flowers is going. At least he produces. Otherwise, you have no idea who's going to be that

second leading receiver. The tight end play has not been what has been the receiving game as well. So that's an issue. But all that said, I still think the Ravens' offense, looking at what the Steelers defense was last week and several times the season that's an issue i feel like it could i i've seen these seasons they are so long i still

think it could change i just believe it needs to change that the steelers defense could ramp up or that the raven's offense can rant oh yeah yeah that it can still happen you you've you're covering this game you've you've been rallying you know people inside these buildings how confident are you that john harbaugh would be back let's say if they went very nine and very it's it's one these things like who you got i mean this is the one thing like with the tomlin conversation like i'm not going to sit here and say that he should stay or should go but you better have a bird in the hand right but harbaugh i think is a more interesting one they've got 12 seasons now since that last super bowl i think the front office isn't going anywhere no would they ever think that hey is this

the guy do we ever want to see lamar jackson with a different head coach in his entire career this would seem like a time if it would have to go south that would be that yeah that would be an inching dynamic because those two have a good relationship. And I know it's time to move on, but I did want to point out. This is the highest playoff leverage game yet of the entire NFL season based on Aaron Schatz's numbers. If the Ravens win, they have a 70% chance to make the playoffs. If the Steelers win, they have a 75% chance to make the playoffs, whereas the loser is

in the low 20s. So it really swings. I guess it's not too shocking because basically. these two games between these two teams. If one of them sweeps them, they're going to the playoffs. Right. If they split, we'll see. And so whoever gets that first one has a monster edge.

And there's no wild card coming out of this division. Agree. And a coach's job is on the line, perhaps, according to Greg Rosenthal. I think more likely in Baltimore. I think it's possible. They did, they did, you know, if we're talking about matching up with the quarterback, they did play footsie with the quarterback's contract not too long ago. So perhaps not anything is out of the realm of possible.

Let's go to the team that beat the Baltimore Ravens at home on Thanksgiving. Joe Burrow is back in the next team in the AFC that's a contender that's worried about Joe Burrow, which is a yearly tradition late. It is the Buffalo Bills who are five and a half points favorites. The over under is 52 and a half, Steve, after they ran all over the Pittsburgh Steelers is the test to see if this Bengals defense is what they have shown us the past couple of weeks, is it real or is it a mirage? I think Buffalo will have a chance to show us the truth here. Buffalo will have it. And the offense is going to have to have a chance because that defense is still leaky,

even though the Steelers couldn't do. Some things, now, Joey Bosa. Looks like he's going to be out with a hamstring injury. Look, anytime Joe Burroughs in the game, that change is a dynamic on both sides of the ball for the Bengals. I just, the game's in Buffalo. This is one where I just think Josh Allen, this run game continues to go and they set some things up.

You know, in the passing game, I just think they feel very confident they're going to be able to run the ball on Cincinnati, which they should be able to do. I think people slept on that Buffalo win as a potential like galvanizing season changing type of win. I mean, they just slapped around another like a team in a like a very, just muscular type of way. I feel like that's something that you can build off Eric Roberts. I know they're not high flying passing like they used to be, but that's something and

they've been a good running team. all year, and there's every reason to believe that they will be in this game, despite the Bengals. Yes, Patrick, having pretty solid numbers since the buy, their defensive numbers are like, okay, and that's all I think Bengals fans want, is the defensive numbers since the buy in those three games against some pretty good opponents, including the Patriots, you know, are around average, a little lower than average, but not terrible. And all you got to do is keep it close now for Joey B, because Buffalo is, defense is not 100%.

That Bosa injury, to me, is really important for them. Yeah, it's, I talked about the Baltimore Ravens being, you know, big play hunters on offense. The Buffalo Bills on defense rely on the big plays, the sacks, the turnovers, to get off the field and have had trouble going back a couple of years in dealing with explosive players on offense. And Jemar Chase is a problem for a lot of people. T. Higgins is back at practice.

T. Higgins is back, too. We don't know that for sure. Right. In terms of practicing. Most likely, he will be out of the protocol. by the time this game happens because he's on that track. Joey B. Against a good pass defense, though, on paper.

Yeah, on paper. A good pass defense. And you want to talk about paper. I went into the numbers to try to find a good comp because on off stats can be kind of revealing, especially late in the season. A very good wide receiver like Pooka Nakua. The success when he's on the field is 51.9% in the past game. 44 when he's off.

How about the much maligned Keon Coleman? the bills have a 51.6 office of success rate when keon is on the field when he's not it's down to 41.6 so the tisks are done he got back on the field Greg and turns out the bills are better when their best wide receivers play that this is just where if you throw enough numbers against the wall like trends happen it's just random it's based on the opponent yeah I mean they played the Texans like little Shakir is your best wire receiver I mean you could say well they play the Texans without keon by that logic you could say uh smoke a bill's running game when brandon cooks is on the field is awesome because they're one for one when brandon cooks is on the field uh running the ball i just think because we talk we've talked about the button the past few weeks uh and so when when you're past game what's the button for the uninitiated the button for the uninitiated is when the bills are struggling on offense and it's hey josh yeah we need you right now buddy in his ear all right we're going to snap the ball to you go go for it

Because there was a goal to go play it. The Keon Coleman touchdown where nothing was there. Josh has to do one of his patented pump fakes, gets a defender to jump, he rolls, runs for three or four seconds and hits Keon Coleman in the back of the end zone. Where if you're watching on YouTube, you see they're lifting them up, celebrating with Dawson Knox. Like, that's it. Other than the zone run game, it's just Josh. And sometimes Josh is the run game where he has like a weird play where he's running over people, goes in the end zone straight up just being used as a like touch. touchdown scoring weapon by his offensive lineman.

Great. Where, yeah, it's great, but no team has more of their quarterback than seriously. And he's shown the weight of that, I think, at times this season, even recently, where he's not been at his best because I think he's hunting. He's trying to do too much and he knows he has to do it all. I was at that game in Houston. I was in the Bill's locker and afterwards. He was beat up, man. Yeah.

They roughed him up. We probably aren't getting Trey Hendon. Hendrickson back though for this game and yes the Bengals are only two games back they will in the division they will stay two games back with four to place that's that's hard to catch up on it could be a Raven Steelers tie but they will only be one back like it very well could be zero zero they could be angling to that second place schedule there uh it's a fun considering the records in this game like this is still a fun game and it's a great game i love especially burrow Doesn't Burroughs get the best of Josh?

In general, the Bengals have had their share of success, especially, you know, they did it in the playoffs too, against the bills during these two coaches' tenure. Looking forward to that one, but we also have a great game in the AFC South, which people might have forgotten about a few weeks ago, but the Texans and the Jags have made things interesting. It is the cults who are favored still.

By one and a half points, Greg, against the Jacksonville Jaguars in Duvall, 47 and a half is the over under. Ian Eagle and Justin James Watt are on the call. We wish Dimes was healthy and moving around, but the team that's looking healthy and moving up the standings is the Jacksonville Jaguars right now. I think I'm going to have to get this game. I got to watch this game. I love this division.

It's become very, very great, isn't it? The Colts are not the profile of a team in collapse. No. They've been close in these games. Daniel Jones practicing fully on Wednesday. When I saw that they were favored earlier in the week, I just assumed that game's in Indianapolis. Not a lot of belief, apparently,

in terms of the numbers with Jacksonville. And I get it because the Jaguars are just so unpredictable, inconsistent. Despite Daniel Jones's injuries and the running game hasn't been as good lately, I still do think that this offense is going to have its share of good days. They're not playing the Texans this week. And that's the side of the football I trust the most in this game.

I thought they look good against Houston. I thought Daniel Jones looked really good physically against Houston. I mean, they were heating him up with four, but they were heating him up. And I thought he played well. I thought Jonathan Taylor ran the ball well at times. You know, you're seeing Patrick's favorite player right there, Alex Pierce. All he does is get the touchdown. Boston, two people.

You know, him. And Tyler Warren. I mean, I'm with this. I like the Colts in this game, and frankly, the Colts have to win this game. It's the first of two. They have not played Jacksonville yet, so they play them later in the season. But the Colts schedule. Brut.

It is brutal the final five games. They cannot fall in a game like this and to which they're favored, seeing as to who is coming up, because it is a murderer's row, which is why now I think, especially if Houston beats Kansas City Sunday, two teams from the south are going to go and one of them might not be the Colts just because their schedule is so rugged they've got to get this game. And both these teams should be happy to play each other because

you have a chance if you could sweep the opposition. Basically that punches it to get to the playoffs. I do worry about the Colts defense not being able to do as much cool things as they would if Soss Gardner was on the field and DeForest Buckner is on the field. And I know there's

the Jaguars have had plenty of injuries. A lot of teams have injuries. But the Colts, there's just a drop off from their like star players and those were two of their best players obviously on the defense yeah the acquisition of sauce is is what helps you it's like okay that's the piece the piece on defense where

they get a big opportunity for a playmaker and they don't they don't know how long term this calf injury is going to be and you have to be you know concerned anytime somebody's got a lower calf injury of how things are going to go no word on on the officiality of the time frame yet they're not going to put them on injured reserve

according to Ian Rapp but but I mean I mean, I'm saying this jokingly, but also seriously, a team from Indiana who's got a star player with a calf injury. We just saw it in the NBA finals with Tyrese Halliburton. They're not trying to have this much calf trauma going on with their athletic teams. So, and I will say this, I'm glad you mentioned sauce Gardner. One of the best trade acquisitions we have seen is Jacoby Myers coming down in Jacksonville. So now they've got two threats on the outside that could really stress out this Colts defense.

Yeah, perhaps it's a friend of the pod. Liam Cohen listening to our conversation over the course of the season about the struggles by these Jags receivers on endbreakers where you had the best in-breaking receiver on the team in Britain Strange goes down for multiple weeks in the middle of the season and the offense looks lost I tried to find an on-off split for Britain Strange it didn't match the agenda so I left that alone but the wins come and Jacoby Myers has the career long on an endbreaker where Trev looks more comfortable. The run game is not what it was during those stretches. So maybe I'm wishcasting here. I'm starting to worry about my pick of the Jags, but want to see those things working unison. But it's weird.

The running game, you're right, after a great start, has been mostly MIA. But two weeks ago, it lit up. They were awesome. And ETN and Tutin are a good combo. So you just don't know what you're going to get from a week-to-week basis with this team. But they're a team in Jacksonville.

that can look across the field, the Colts, and they can say this team has been on the field for, it's around 165 snaps the last two weeks. That is outrageous. First of all, they should just be tired. I mean, that's just a lot. Second of all, it shows a team that just can't get off the field that's just giving up third down after third down,

short-yardage situations, and think that's the way to beat the Colts because I think it's been effective against them the last couple of weeks where, you know, Daniel Jones, they'll have a three-in-out or two, and suddenly it's like, the whole half. You cannot get the ball back for this Colts team. That's a great point. That's a great point because you saw it against Houston.

I mean, Houston, they weren't third down so many times. And whether they ran it, whether Stroud did something with it, they made the play, which is so defeatist to a defense. Like, man, we had them. We had them again. We're here again, especially the guys at front, you know, who are getting, you know, pounded on. Layout through Lotz. He's playing well. But, you know, you saw so many tackles on third down that were followed by this, you know the first down signal you know that's tough but I think

this is going to be a really good game it is a must get for the Colts because their schedule is no joke the defensive players if I was trying to think like what can we count on for the Jacks their defense has been playing better lately it's been up and down throughout the course of season but Josh Heinz Allen and Devin Lloyd

are playing really well Lloyd coming back helps set the table yeah he's really helped them and Heinz Allen the last two weeks combined 18 pressures 18 18 is that's a C That's a crazy two weeks with three sacks and a couple more quarterback hits like mixed in. It's not just it's not just hurries.

The Jaguars were down a couple offensive linemen in that game. I'm looking at the practice report on Wednesday and it looks like Walker Little, their left tackle is out. Patrick McCarrie is on the field, so that would be good to get one guy back. He's in a non-contact. There's eight Parker Washington is out. And you mentioned that Myers 50-yard catch. You know what I caught my eye on that? that one? What's that? How about Brian Thomas

Jr.? Sprinting down the field to get a great block? He's back on the field and he's playing hard. I think it's a matter of time before he has some big moments too. I know it's been a quiet season, but I like Brian Thomas. Hey man, those others can elevate you, especially if they play in your position group. Man,

Colt's got to win this game. They have to win this game. Nervous for them. I'm telling their schedule is ugly. The Jaguars have been surprising us all year and both these teams are great stories. They're both eight and four. We would have never expected that, but that's the problem of winning early. It raises the expectation. And that's what we did on this show. We won early with Steve Weiss.

Yeah. Just a, you know, just a thin, beautiful part of the show with Steve Weish this time. We're going to say goodbye to you. Appreciate you having me. But we love to having you. Patrick and I are going to talk about the rest of these early games. And I can't wait. One of the best teams in the NFL. Seattle Seahawks after the break. Hey, what's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place.

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that's a fun note. The fun personal note, right? This is where I need you to shine, because the back half of the early games not as shiny as they may have looked back in September. You know, the sheen is coming off of the gleaming armor that is my shield robot

status. So I will cape for every single one of these games, including Kirk Cousins, at home where the Seattle Seahawks are a seven point favorite. The over under is 44.5. Kevin Coogler and Moose Johnson, on the call, we saw Kirk having a lot of success in the short passing game against the Jets. Wow.

Wow. Are there yards available against the Seahawks defense, Greg? Look, these first few games actually in this section are important because Seattle's got to keep winning to keep up with the Rams. And one thing, you know, when I was thinking about like big picture Seattle is not only have they taken care of all these games, they haven't been close usually. Like that is one of my definitions of a of a true. great team. They don't even make you sweat it.

Minnesota last week obviously was an example, but if you look in all these games where they were significantly favored, it's a rare one where they even had to sweat out

the fourth quarter. So I think about what do they need to work on. I don't think Kirk Cousin's going to be much problems for the defense. It's more about the offense. That's a tougher matchup.

Can we get another Sam Darnal game? Can we get back to the guy that in this very studio, Patrick, we awarded him the first half of the season MVP just for his play oh i mean you go and he earned it you look at those first 10 weeks of the season yeah it was legitimate you you start in the rams game and you go back to that point

where you've got four interceptions and two touchdowns uh through the air over these past few games and now it's you know we we wanted we were at the point where jackson smith and jigba was was well in the conversation but because he's still there he's still there one bad week and that wasn't his fault doesn't kill but that's the thing one one bad week when we've got when we've got when we got this Drake May situation going on is rough, at least in terms of my model in that conversation. But now it's a matchup against A.J. Terrell, who's one of the best in the league, in terms of yards per target allowed. So if we're going to snap Sam out of the doldrums of whatever this is going on for the Seahawks passing game,

this will be the one that shows the people, hey, everything's okay. And I don't think anything's overly wrong. Like I say a lot, it's often about the schedule. You played two of the best defense in the league, and this is what happens. But I did find it interesting that Brian Flores said before that game, we're going to blitz the hell out of them. Like, that's what we do, but we're going to really do it against Sam Darnold. And they did.

63% they blitzed against him. And that's a guy who knows Sam Darnold as well as anyone, having coached with him. And Atlanta is a team built to possibly do that. So I think it's a tricky matchup. The Falcons defense actually played, for the most part, pretty well against the Jets. I know they haven't been great, but they've been very good. all season. And I do want to see that Seattle running game

keep it going too, because I made a point on this show. I don't know if you remember this. There was a drive against the Cardinals. Yeah. And I said this is the drive that maybe turned around their running game for the season. So this morning I went and checked. Since that game, they are top 10 in EPA per play

and success rate. 9th, 9th, and those two stats. So maybe that drive really did turn around. They've been a little more consistent with our guy, Ken Walker. There's a lot of fun to watch. I'm glad me giving you grief after after the disaster against the Rams for the Seahawks run game where it has caused you

to go back into that you didn't even remember but you didn't even remember these shows no I was right I was right and Patrick was wrong do you remember the show as well because Jordan will like say oh I said this then or you said that then and I just let it all wash over me

in the moment I guess I only remember when we disagree that's the only time I remember you know smile because hard to disagree on this one. Show up in lockstep. Yeah, let's see. Let's get the Kirk Cousins game because it did not necessarily happen against the New Orleans Saints a couple of weeks ago. Now the New Orleans Saints are on the road against Baker and the Bucks. The bucks are favored by

eight and a half. Kevin Harlan and Trent Green are on the call. They opened Mike Evans' 21 day practice window. Nice. Not sure if we're going to get Mike back in this one, but there were some late flashes from Tyler Shuck and these cardiac saints enough to scare Baker and company, correct? They could. This Tampa team is so confusing.

They have won four out of their seven games. In those games, they've been outgain. Okay. They have been outscored this year by 22 points. They are not a profile of a team that's normally seven and five. And yet, Mike Evans, coming back. Jalen McMillan, coming back, maybe end of the season. Coliza Canty could be coming back.

They already got Hassan Reddick back. And yet last week it was another one of those games. When I went back to rewatch it, it was just like, what is this team? It was great to see Bucky Irving. He really helps them out. But it's another game where, you know, the Cardinals outgain them by about 100 yards. And there were like a lot of things too like. I think there's a possibility that this Bucks team, and they've actually done this a few times.

are considerably better and that they're the team that we thought they would be all season in the playoffs when it matters, which is what you want if you're the bucks

that they've kind of gotten lucky to get this far and yet none of it might matter because they're scheduled the rest of the way there's a lot of games where they'll be heavily favored they're getting healthier

and maybe they kind of crank it up at the last second and they're still right in the mix. The one place that's most concerning though about the health status is Baker Mayfield and that left shoulder I can't help but think

about the torn labrum in his left shoulder. that almost ended his career because for some reason the Browns kept running him out there when he was hurt and then the opportunities were limited after that.

He's been scrambling at a career high rate. Look good last week, I thought. For what it's worth. Moved around well. I know folks who are concerned about Abuka, Abuka's got one of the lowest catchable target rates during this rough game stretch

for him. And I know people credit that to this alleged rookie wall and all these things. Baker kind of has started spraying the ball a little bit, at least when it comes to targeting two. And when Abuka is clear and far

away the number one option, you know, he's going to get attention paid to him where, you know, this will be the third game back for Chris Godwin. And yeah, the Saints aren't necessarily a problem, but to get through and do what you said the Seattle Seahawks have been doing.

To win a game in a convincing fashion where it's not, there's no come from behind necessary against the Saints. I think that would make all of us feel better. Yeah, the bucks are favored by eight and a half in this game. I mean, they shouldn't be favored over by eight and a half ever, I don't think, right now. But offensive line, like, they look good. They have one replacement still in there in Dan Feeney, who didn't play too well last week.

But it wasn't just that Chris Godwin is back because early in the season, I don't think he looked right. The first game back, we didn't really see much. Last week, I saw a little bit of pop. I saw a little bit of the old Chris Godwin with some yak. I thought Baker, for what it's worth, moved around well and probably had a better game overall than he did the week before

when he first suffered that injury. And yeah, the Saints don't do a lot that really confuses you. Shout out to our podcast colleague, though. Kim Jordan, two more sacks last week.

I was annoyed that I didn't mention that on the recap show. He's up to six and a half. I think he's starting to put up numbers where in the end there's going to be a good conversation about him to canton and I think that's meaningful

to anyone. We get to we pass 125 okay right that was the number so yeah we like nice concise numbers in terms of evaluation for career awards and that that means something

wait I did want to talk about Chuck for a second yeah let's have the time I hadn't watched him as closely until this you know the previous week last week I did you know he's a little better like pocket presence and a little more playmaking than I expected. A little more excitement out of the Shuckster.

Whereas when you watched him in college, I felt like when pressure was near him, he'd kind of panic and he had had so many injuries. It almost seemed like he was just trying to get to the NFL draft. I don't know. I'm just putting thoughts in his head. That's probably not fair. But he's been pretty good against pressure.

At least he was last week. The numbers have been up and down. But last week he made a lot of plays. And he's doing enough so far where I think he's getting to where Spencer Rattler was. was, which is like, oh, I think this guy's going to have a career. He's going to be an NFL quarterback. Now, is he like a high level backup?

Is he a bridge quarterback? Is he better than that? Obviously, the Saints would hope he's better than that. But like it kind of feels like worst case scenario now. He's like a good backup quarterback, which is not bad, like, to have. And so you're building from there, he could make it difficult for them to decide what to do in the draft. Yeah, to be fair to him, because that was, in looking back and in hindsight, It's probably unfair to say, oh, well, Shuck had all these clean pockets to throw them.

Everybody would love to play in this offense. Well, he wasn't in those situations. So why am I dinging him for situations that he wasn't in? And now that he's in him, you know, he's surviving those bullets in there. Pretty good test this week. He's had a relatively soft schedule. You face all the blitzes. This is a new challenge.

It's a small sample size. I don't want to go too crazy. But so far, I was a doubter. And I would say I think he's been a little. higher than expectations. So I'm watching you, Tyler. I'm enjoying you. Greg's got your eye on, Tyler.

So congratulations on that. That in itself is an accomplishment. What about an accomplishment at quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings for perhaps J.J. McCarthy? His Vikings are favored by one and a half points with the Washington commanders coming in, still questioning the availability on their offensive side of the ball. Adam Amin and Drew Brees on the call.

the commanders gave the the broncos every single thing they had including extra time are are they are they should we be looking at that one and a half a little bit sideways Greg in which way that the commander should be favored I you know considering the way things went I guess the Denver Broncos I I'm starting to believe there is a case to be made based on an extremely small sample size uh that Dan Quinn has helped out the defense in terms of the play calling. They've been certainly more competitive the two weeks that he called plays. The offense has been

fine throughout. I want to see if Jaden Daniels is playing in this game. We don't know as of now. But yeah, the Vikings are not a team that probably should be favored over anyone. Just about. I do think because the Brosmer experience

for better or worse, at least people have an answer. As of right now, this idea that you know i'd like to see one more brosner game i'm serious it was a tough situation you first started against seattle before saying we have an answer but yeah i wasn't expecting him to be like way better than jay mccarthy or anything but you know if we're going to be fair about sample sizes you know he only played one game okay i'm with gregg let's let's let's just let's let's have more of this snuff film that was the max rossper experience against the seattle

Seahawks where, yeah, I think, you know, I'm not going to say Dan Quinn has completely fixed the circumstances over there on that defensive side of the ball. But I would feel better for the, for the opportunity for J.J. McCarthy, at the very least, to feed targets to Justin Jefferson in a way where last week, when the targets were there, it was an adventure. Even there was legitimately one rep where J.J. felt like he was questioning whether or not the ball was actually going to get to him. Yeah. And folks are wondering about his effort

because it was so scattershot where, you know, for the sake of Vikings fans, Greg, let's get Max Brosmer in a better situation. But JJ McCarthy is... Yeah, that's fair. And having a week off, maybe that calms his mind a little bit.

Certainly the matchup shouldn't be as tough in general. I did want to get this quote right. And that's what I was searching for. Okay. And it was on hard knocks in the locker room. Have you seen this after the game? And Dan Quinn says, we may have lost, but we are no longer lost. Wow, that's pretty good.

But we're not lost anymore. That was the quote, again, this is a team that's been adrift all season. They're not lost anymore. They're going to be rallying to the home stretch, maybe. Jaden Daniels, by the way, not, you know, taking any context. It's practice anyways. you would expect them to wear a non-contact jersey. They'll determine his status on Friday.

He is practicing. Just my gut based on how they're talking, I think it's going to be another week. I do think he's going to place multiple games this season. I don't think it's going to be this week, but that's just my guess. I have a huge question about this game. Before we go, Greg.

Okay. Jeremy McNichols has the second best yards per carry average in the entire NFL right now. He's over six and a half yards. Why do they not give Jeremy McNichols more opportunities when he's running the ball? he's not maybe like as like rugged a runner as Chris Rodriguez Chris Rodriguez is good I mean they're all pretty good I guess he's not an every down guy I don't know he's definitely not if you don't give him a ball that I don't know I would like to see it Cliff I would like to see it that's all I'll say okay I want to see more Jeremy McNickle

okay let's uh let's keep it rolling let's do it another running back who has huge numbers is Devon A Chan and his Miami Dolphins who have a path Greg as you said famously if weeks ago. The path is still there, although this becomes less likely. Two and a half point favorites against Therod Taylor and the Jets, the over under 41 and a half Spiro Ditas and Adam Archeletta. It has

been Adnigh Mitchell, Greg. You call that the explosiveness. Does that power the Jets for another win for AG against the Dolph? I kind of think it will. Who are you going to take? You're now in first place on game debut, which is our weekly

show on NFL Network. People should check out. and Patrick is trying to pull off the impossible and defeat the computer model of Cynthia Freeland. Right now he's winning. Eventually, on a show with three people, eventually I would have had one chance over the course of these past few seasons. And so we're here.

I think I'm going to take the Jets. They've been playing well lately. They have been playing well. I am scared to death by the hot air balloon that Tuatung Vaila went through to Jalen Waddle last week. Perhaps the ball slipped out of his hands. I don't know, but that one piece of taking. I'm still picking the fans here because I think the run game with A-chan specifically

allows them more explosive opportunity. But, you know, the Taylor experience is back. I'm glad to Rod is back playing. He's made the Jets better and he's given hope, like long-term viability to Adnan Mitchell. Right. Adi Mitchell always looked like a talented player. If you're watching on YouTube, we love you, like, subscribe, do it all. And you're seeing AD Mitchell get open down the field.

He's probably going to be a guy that has his hair dropped. And I don't know what the other issues were, but he, you know, is becoming a pro. He's a young guy. I think that's going to go down as a big part of that trade. I don't know, think he's going to be a number one, but I think he's going to be a starting caliber. He's clearly the most talented receiver on this roster when Garrett Wilson is hurt, which has been the case for most of this season. And it does make it a dangerous game for my vision of the dolphins coming back. The problem with that vision is everyone in the AFC keeps winning.

You know, the idea was, okay, they're going to be six and seven. They could have a game where they have a chance to pass the Steelers was the vision a month ago. That all is going to happen. But passing the Steelers might be for 10th place in the AFC. So I don't think it really is going to make any difference. And I don't trust this Dolphins team in particular. particular. I don't get the arguments that I've seen out there of like, I don't know, like McDaniel is kind of making the case for why he should be back. Why? Because they're doing

the same thing that they would have done anyways, but just in a different order. I hate that. Well, Greg, famously, the end of the season is more important than the start of the season. And now the dolphins are winning. So that logic would say that Mike Mack's doing great. He should be brought back because this is when it means more. You know how everyone's been noting that the Patriots have one of the easiest schedules in NFL history. The Dolphins and the Jets schedules aren't that much harder. So if you get to seven or eight wins in year four of your program with one of the easiest schedules,

and you don't even get your over-under-win total. They were expected to be decent. They were an eight-and-a-half before the season. I'm not giving you any credit that it happened at the end of the season. I do like, though, Chop Robinson, who had a total of one sack and quarterback hit combined going into last week. I had one of each. It was very active throughout the rest of the game.

And Devon A-chan, I noticed, 1,400 yards from scrimmage right now, 240 touches. He is a bell cow type of guy, if you count the receptions, 10 touchdown. And his ability to, like, skip forward while he's, he just like skips on an NFL field

while everyone else looks slow around him. All my doubts of Devon A-chan have been proven stupid. And he is that dude. And thank you for attaching the bell cow to a smaller, Yeah. Because, you know, the smaller guys don't get Belkow, but. If you get over 300 touches, you're Belkow. I think they can win this game.

The New York Jets, that is. All right. A fun matchup. What about a fun matchup that we were previewing back in the draft? And we thought Shadur Sanders was going to go significantly higher. It is a matchup of two quarterbacks that really built their relationship during that draft process. It is Shadur Sanders playing host to Cam Ward and the Tennessee Titans and the Browns.

And the Browns are favored, Greg, by four and a half points. Chris Myers and Mark Slareth on the call. The thing that everybody should be watching, because the quarterbacks are going to get a lot of attention here. You should. Miles Garrett is getting close to this record, Greg. He may get significantly closer this week. This is a huge week for him, I think, to go get it.

Because Cam Ward holds on to the ball. J.C. Latham has not played particularly well this year. In general, the Titans' offensive line, whether you want to go on the interior, there's an injury at center as well, and they move them inside sometimes. This is a time to go rack up some numbers. Because what I don't want is going into the last week or two

and he like needs one more. It's hard. The other team isn't want to, you're not going to have Brett Farr of laying down for you. Not to say it. This is, by the way, the all-time Chris Myers marked player at the game, Titans Browns.

Combined four wins. That's where it's at. Oh, it's bad enough. I'm taking shots. Did you see Deshaun Watson is practicing? They opened up his 21-day practice window. In case you wanted to feel worse about this Brown season, I would be stunned if he played football this year in a regular season game.

I would be very surprised if he was even on the active roster. I think what they're doing is letting him practice and kind of continue his development. and reward him for what Kevin Stefansky said has been a great attitude and doing everything that they want. But he's just practicing just to practice. I would be beyond shock

if they let Deshawn Watson play football on the Browns. Do you feel that Deshawn Watson should have been playing just purely football-wise these past two seasons? Well, no. Exactly. So I would not be shocked if the Cleveland Browns put Deshawn Watson.

We're in a different place. Because they've been doing it for no reason. From my perspective, so what am I, why would I expect them to be? behave rationally here in 2025. There's just no point. Like, what is he

going to do? Be the backup over Dylan Gabriel? No, you're making sense to me. Yeah, yeah. Like, that makes sense to me, but considering what we've seen from the franchise and the decision makers involved, I don't know. I would not be shocked. I also would be shocked if Kevin Stefanski is back next

year. So I don't know if the decision makers that are involved will be making these decisions to me. The ownership is most important. out of this entire group. And the Titans should count their blessings, by the way, that they are not chasing what that poor Browns team did last decade. You remember the one game that the Titans won?

Yeah. It's the flukiest game in the history of the NFL. I have never seen a flukier ending to an NFL game than that Titans game. And they have not been that competitive. It's not like, oh, well, yeah, they almost won this game, almost won that game. They are, like, there is this idea the Raiders are worse. I've kind of

thrown that out there, but like, they're one of the worst teams ever. The one game that they've ever that they won was the luckiest game ever, and if you look at DVOA overall efficiency, there's a pretty big gap between them and 31 on the list. Like, four and a half might not be enough. I like the Browns

to cover this. I got to assemble a list of the luckiest games ever, so that we can defeat this theory from Greg. It was a crazy. It was. It was a crazy performance. You know what? I will say

Kim Ward should bounce back because that was like his, maybe his worst game of the season last year and last week it was off coming off of one of his best games

of the season. It happens. And when you got Mike McCoy on the sideline, just the last guy I want as an interim head coach. It's spicy to think. Just like refuses to go for,

just there's no nothing there. There's nothing. That's not what you want out of your interim head coach. coach. He is a filling, and I would never call Barnwell that. But this is a week where we've got different personnel in the mix. And so we decided to take advantage of a friend, do a little home and home.

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