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02:08Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a good Bill's Patriots, rivals.Bowlry week.I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio.I'm back.We were just here talking about all the late games.Now it's a good early slate with Jordan Roderig and Patrick Claibon.And yes, I was going to say everything old is new again in terms of bills, Patriots,
02:45rivals, but they really, over the years weren't good at the same time.The bills kind of helped knock out the end of the Patriots rain in terms of winning theAFCs over and over again.The most embarrassing game, I believe, in Bill Belichick's history,not getting a single stop in a playoff game against Josh Allen.NFL game.Most embarrassing NFL game.Well, I think, yeah, he's not taking...
03:11Your thoughts on the North Carolina Tar Hills, Greg?I mean, I would not have a guess they would go that bad.I'm surprised they're not just eating the money and saying goodbye to Bill Belichick, right?It's not going to get better.I don't think.It's not going to get better.Bill Belichick, it's not going to get better.Greg Rosenthal.
03:29Blurbit.Better news for the New England Patriots.They are not favored.So nobody believes in youand you can summon your beliefand your anger at the folks in Vegas.The bills are one and a half point favoredon the road at your New England Patriots.
03:44Greg, the overrunner is 50 and a half.Ion Eagle and J.J. Watt on the call.The deep passing game has been great for Drake May.How does he take advantage of the Buffalo Secondary?That's the matchup there because that strengthhas to be so strong it overwhelms all the other weird parts of this Patriots team that are hardto understand. Yeah, don't you like, I don't understand this team. I mean, I don't believe inthem either. I'm going to pick the bills in this game. You have to pick a game. Doesn't it seem
04:13more likely that these two teams would split? And especially coming off how the bills have playedlately, like, it just makes sense in the story of this season that the bills make this divisionand race a little closer down the stretch and win this game.Yeah, absolutely.And I think the bills, though, they're so easy to believe in when you see,especially the middle to later parts of last week's game.And then they're so easy to doubt when you see some of the things that set up a week agobefore that game and some of the issues getting off the field on third down and some of
04:49the defensive problems that keep popping up from time to time.some of the discombobulation at receiver.And, you know, it's basically like a whack-a-mole team where you're going to have at least one of these problems pop up in any one game.Can Josh Allen, I guess, mask all of it enough?And how early do you press the button to your point?And I know schedule's part of it, but like sometimes we talk about the bills like they're the chiefs or the Bengals or the Ravens,all these teams with great quarterbacks and losing record.No.
05:18The bills are nine and four.Good football team.Right.The bills are nine and four.And I'm just going to throw out a hot, hot take for you guys.Okay.If you had to pick an AFC team right now, pick your Super Bowl team right now, who's your pick?I think I would take the bills.
05:34That that's the hot take part of it.If I had to pick one.Just because I don't know who else to pick.Pick one.Right now?You have to pick one.You know what?I would take the bills.
05:42Oh my gosh.I don't want two of us.That's too much.Because of Josh Allen.Right now, I am taking the Houston Texans.Okay.And that defense and that pass for us.because it seems like a common issue
05:55for these AFC contendersis like eitherlike Bosa's injurythe chief's kind of strugglingto get pressure lateI'll take defensewhy not throw the otherJosh Heinz Allen and the Jacksonville
06:09I don't think there is a wrong pickto me it's their strengths which isJosh Allen an offensive lineand a running gameand a history of a defense that canat least game plan and figure some things outthough they haven't done it very well in the playoffs.Like gives them as good a fighting chance as anyone.
06:26And yet I wouldn't give anyone a better chance than 20%.It just seems too wide.No.And I think that's a good caveat to include there too.It's like, you know,you've seen what they can do and what they are capable of.It's a good point about being a good matchup team.We are in the stretch runs.
06:44But we have not gotten to the point where you can purely play matchup football on defense.You maybe can do it, you know,you can't just Jonathan Gannon at the entire.time. But when you do get to the postseason, Sean McDermott, we've seen it. We've seenadjustments after the buy. We see adjustments have to have. He can play matchup football. It's justthey're just not quite there yet where they can do that the way that you would would want toand need to in the postseason. It'll be interesting. Drake May and the Patriots, what do theylook like coming off their buy? You know, they have a couple, you know, key injuries. Like, maybe, yeah,
07:16but they were, they were also rolling and they've had, you know, had a little time to think about it.Not that he doesn't dare get his hopes up, Patrick.No, I think, of course I think they can win this game.I think it's basically a toss-up.They're playing for the AFC East title.They literally win it this week.And Vrabel started to talk about that AFC East championship, even going into the buy.He started to change his tone pretty clearly of like, now we're playing to go win like a title.
07:41It's just they're entering a different phase of the season.And I'm curious if some of their notable weaknesses can get improved, which is they're a terrible red zone team, literally the worst than the NFL on defense.and pretty bad on offense, and they're a bad running team.And so this matchup particular, I want to see,can you run on this Bill's defense?Because you should be able to.And if you can't, you got serious problems because a lot of teams have this year.And some of the teams that haven't kind of chose not to.
08:08Yeah.Like, oddly enough, like the Pittsburgh Steelers.Last week, although it was a weird situation, that one, everything.Yeah, a little bit different for the,but the Bengals did start out running the ball against the Buffalo Billsand, you know, the past game kind of bit him at the end,but they had the success there.I'm just, the button necessarily doesn't even get pressed.
08:27The button's always on at this point.Like, it's attached to the light switch in the booth for Joe Brady when he walks inbecause it's constantly on.Josh is making these adjustments while the play is happening,where as Christian Gonzalez has gotten healthier, you know,I always say it's tough to get healthy playing football,but Christian Gonzalez managed to do that,where the separation, like Josh is having to throw these seeing-eye touchdowns,
08:50Khalil Shakir. They did have a couple of playsthat actually just worked regularly in footballplays last week, but that was againstthe Cincinnati Bengals, a defensethat hasn't really been in acontending situation like the Patriotshave all year where I feel confident.And since we started this conversation, since
09:06these numbers were printed, Greg,the people have heard your voice.And now the Patriots are favored by one anda half points in this game. Wait, what?Yes. Do you know what I? The linesmove, Greg, because they want to do. What are they going to dowith the StephDiggs quotes from Wednesday morning talking
09:22about how they liked being underdogsin this game. We'll have to like geta correction and like, well, yeah, they triedthey tried hard until they seethe line and now they can no longer try hard. Yeah, nowthey're changing everything. The game plan isout the window, folks. No MiltonWilliams and probably no Harold Landry
09:38who got hurt before the buy and they'renot like a deep defensive lineand so I do think that could be a mismatch.That first gamewhen these two teams played,Josh Allen, like Marcus Jones goton just a great defensive play.He had a couple
09:52turnovers in that game.That kind of was the differenceand May was nails at the endand it's a big gamefor the conversation.Huge.For both because if there has...This is the real Roderick-Rosenthal
10:06matchup here, the subtext of everything.Why is that?I'm talking about Josh Allenin terms of MVP.Oh, I thought you're talking about May Stafford.Certainly May.I mean, to me, it's still pretty wide openthat anyone that has a great month
10:19we're like we're winnowing out like the possible candidates but Josh Allen his last two weeksbut that was as incredible game anyone's played all season like from front to back in the snowlike to do that against like if he then goes and does this against the Patriots and has like a monstermonth he's in the conversation I see you have your chart up yeah I've got the chart upJosh I don't think he's so far behind Stafford in May especially not if he wins this gamein December that he can't make up thatground. Well, recency bias will help with voters,but with regards to the conversation, he did have that
10:54prom-time game where the Texans defenseabsolutely distromanatedthe bills in every capacity. Sohere, he's behind Jordan Loveright now. Again,Toyota Thon is onwhere Jordan Love keeps scoring points.One last thing on this game
11:09for the bills,Kincaid was back last week.And I think it really changes theiroffense because now you're splitting upthe tight end reps equally between himKnox andSpencer Hawes and JacksonHawes rather and
11:26it's like a few less snaps then toofor cooks andKeon Coleman I mean Tyrell Shavers is now likeleading it just it just makes their offensewhich is clearly around the run and Josh justdoing Josh things like make even more senseto have him out there Patrick you know I havebeen tracking the is Greg all the way back
11:46conversation the entire year asWell, and I did just want to share with you and tens of thousands of listeners that and some viewers as well, that audio medium, Greg, that yesterday we had a meeting about some upcoming postseason tent poll events for NFL Daily and one of them being the Super Bowl, which we're very excited about.And we were talking about getting post-game interviews and post-super Bowl game interviews and with the winning team.and Greg brought up how it should be no problem to get Drake May.I was just like he'll, it's like the first time around.That's the time when it'll be easier post game to get him.Was that a thinly veiled shot at a player who had a win in a prime time game?And it was difficult for Laura Rutledge to catch up to it.
12:33What a segue.It was not.It was not.Look at the transition.Because Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers are on the road at Kansas City,who is favored by four and a half.Patrick Mahomes, good at post-game interviews, too.Does Greg hate the quarterback of the Los Angeles?
12:51I love Justin Herbert.Okay, all love for Justin Herbert family and Laura Rutley's family.It wasn't his best moment.I think he will admit to that.I'm not defending that.It's just I still love him.Kevin Harlan and Trent Green get to see these two teams battle for the second time thisseason. Casey, again, a four and a half point favorite.
13:09The over under is 41 and a half.The Chargers, what they're, I need Herbo.to stop protecting the ball with his mangled hand.He was able to protect it some.They're having a split that carries as Omarine Hampton comes back.Can they finally?We've seen several teams try to do it.Come very close.
13:29Finally put the nail in the Kansas City Chiefs, Jordan, coming up in week 15.I think they have a shot, honestly.And listen, the Chiefs don't get good pressure,but you could really pressure against this offensive line.So that actually might be a hinge point.Chris Jones is coming off the best pressure game of the seasonin terms of getting a season high with seven pressuresand, you know, the Chargers are probably going to be out
13:50without Trey Pipkins again.We all watched Chargers Eagles.Greg watched it in person with his son Walker.And if you didn't watch it,but you wanted to know just exactly how bad the Eagles offense was,was, and how many times they turned it over without even like taking a peekat the box score, all you have to do is know that Justin Herbert waspressured nearly at a 70, nearly a 70% rate, and the Chargers still won the game.
14:19That's how bad the Eagles offense was on the other side.And so I feel like you're not going to get a freak game like that.Again, you're certainly not going to get that game from Patrick Mahomes and the KansasCity Chiefs as much of a slide this season as they're in, as strange as they look thisseason, but you might get a really solid game from the Kansas City Chiefs defense againstthis.You're not going to get that pressure out of that defense, though, either.I know Karloffis played pretty well in that game, but they've been poor.
14:48But I got to tell you, Greg, this, this offense, this charged offensive line is like malpractice having it out there with this.They went, they're entering their 20th offensive line combination minus Trey Pipkins of the season.Maybe the biggest issue is the two guys in the middle, Bradley Bozeman and Mackay Bechtin are the starters fairly, well, Bozeman's not highly paid, but, you know, he was the plan starter.Beckton is highly paid. And those guysyou kind of are county on them and theymaybe are the biggest weaknesses of thegroup. Yeah. They got to go against ChrisJones. And considering the way
15:22things have been, but I'm alsolooking at the chiefsoffensive line and their protection of Patrick Mahomconsidering the way that Khalil Mack,especially the first game,Khalil Mack was so dominant in thatgame where he teleportedpast, I believe Taylor
15:38at that point and got to Patrick Mahomeswhere it was just one of those Mahomesplayers where you just, they get yards and they make it a game where I don't feel likethis version of the Chiefs would even be in that game, considering the way that it wentand went down to the wire. And you have to be able to run the ball, I think, against theChargers where you look back to just that nasty, the worst Chargers game of the seasonon the road at Jacksonville when both Tootin and E.T.N. went off Seaquin and Spart in spotsin Sofa's Stadium on Monday night.
16:12But the chiefs aren't a threat there at all.And this is a better Chargers defense, I think.Yeah.In general, they've been aggressive since the buy and they're healthy.It's a good defense.And I do think of how fitting it would be for all the times in the last five yearssince Justin Herbert has entered the league that the chiefs just beat them down.Anytime Chargers fans got their hopes up.
16:39the chiefs were there to just put them back in their place.Wouldn't it be fitting, like, if they were the team that ends it for them this season,especially thinking about, like, where they were in week one,that really set the framework for how this chief season was going to go,like these games that you expect to win,and you end up losing in the end like they did in week one.And they've come a long way.Like Justin Herbert's out there with broken body and, like,
17:08the wear and tear of this seasonreally shows up with these two teamswhen you watch the play of themin Brazil versus now. They were sofresh and innocent, but wouldn't it benice if old, raggedHerbert is the one that takes out the chief?And you know what? I've never doubted
17:25Justin Herbert as a quarterback. I've neverdoubted him, his toughness ever. I know thatit was quite the topic of conversation,his leadership, whatever, like a couple of yearsago. You neverwatching him play, watching him around his teammates,Like, you never doubt any of that.But there's something about him with Jim Harbaugh where when Jim Harbaugh does these
17:44interviews talking about Justin Herbert, he almost is like daring him to be more of a badass, right?Like he's almost like daring.Like the booth was talking about some of their production meetings and the conversationsthat they were having with Jim Harbaugh.And Jim Harbaugh is like, yeah, it's a broken hand.I once played through this, that, the other thing, gruesome horrific injuries.So basically it's like the expectation.of what this team can be is raised is my point here and that's i think something that's really
18:13really important and something culturally maybe they hadn't had um enter intel entering thisseason and understanding this is where we're at right now and we're going to like grit through itessentially because that's the jim harbaugh way i think kind of what puts the ceiling on like myexpectations for them is the passing game and the and the coordinator that's making the callsagree where you get some familiar you start to remember like as charles mcdonald pointed outit's something i lamented back in baltimore where receivers kind of in the same place which happenedin buffalo it's it's happening now and it's like it's his roman empire like your your guy isback there you know with again like the second season in row he's got broken bones in his left
18:58hand and he's wearing a dinner plate like over there like like a mickey mouse glove it seemslike it came straight from Anaheim and like let's let's let's have some spacecould we club them at least I know have something like more like like intimidating on that likecould you draw like a skull and crossbones on it at least like you know don't hit that don't hitthat arm I mean they got Keenan Allen lad McConkey and quentin Johnston on this team and theyhad a combined 40 yards in that game that's just sad space that is malpractice the reason theywon though is because Herbert kind of like Mahomes uh when that quick pressure was gettingthere was his ability to just make free rushers miss and pick up five yards,
19:3810 yards, whatever it was going to be or just throw the ball away.And there's just something about this Chargers team and there's something about this Chief's team that I don't think it's going to last necessarily for years.But if this game is close in the fourth quarter, like, I kind of trust that this Chargers team will find a way.And I kind of think this ever since on the very first throw of the season, do you remember what the first Chiefs throw of the season was?Oh, what was it?It was Patrick Mahomes throwing the ball into a very brutal hit for Xavier Worthythat he couldn't come down with and he left the game with an injury on that very play.And his inaccuracy this season, he is 27th Patrick Mahomes in completion percentage over-expected.
20:20I don't think that's a perfect stat, but I do think they've just been a little off.Whoever's fault it was all season, even going back to that first play, that was a little offand Worthy ended up getting hurt because of it.And now here they are just trying to stay alive.And I think there's some matchable things that have frustrated Patrick Mahomesabout what he's seeing in the defensive backfield that are reapplyable by Jesse Minter specifically.He's got that defense playing great.Dante Jackson, remember when he was in Carolina, guys?
20:49I'm sure you actually don't.Like, he's having an absolutely awesome season.They've got Tony Jefferson, the former scout, Raven Scout,out there making game-changing plays.And Derwin James has, I think, been up and down.But when he turns it on, he goes.They're getting the most out of those linebackers.I just really think that the way that it's not just that they're playing a shell
21:09against Patrick Mahomes every single game now.You saw it with the Texans were able to do it really, really effectively.They're playing a really cloudy, hard to diagnose.You could be in this spot or that spot,a little bit matchier type of shell zone.And I think that that's really, really special.And Jesse Minter can do that.It's telling to me that the game that could end this few season is getting announced
21:30by the CBS 3rd team at 1 p.m.I mean, I love Kevin Harlan.He's my number one.They made that choice.I'm just saying it's interesting.It's like dynasties die and darkness.But Kevin Harlan is eternal.Yes, depending on the typeface on the font,
21:48whether or not democracy dies.Apparently, it's on that path.The Baltimore Ravens, two and a half point favoritesat the Cincinnati Bengals,who were all over them a couple of weeks ago on Thanksgiving,and Greg, the over under 52 and a half, Spiro Ditas, as well as Adam Archin Alchaletta on the call.The Bengals made a touch of a donation late there in Buffalo that saw things go the other way.Can their defense do it again against Lamar and company?
22:15I would doubt it, but this Ravens offense has enough problems that you, like, which is the bigger issue?The Ravens offense or the Bengals defense?On Thursday, on that Thanksgiving game, it was the Ravens' offense.ultimately making enough mistakes in that game.And I just think it's clear to me that Lamar, like, is playing a little.I thought he played better in that game.Everyone is saying how injured they think he looks while,and maybe he does compared to the old Lamar,
22:48but I thought he's moved pretty well the last two weeks,certainly last week.But he's not getting much help from Derek Henry.I think it's safe to say Derek Henry is slowed down.that the workload that he had last year at his age,or it's just age in general,the explosive ability from him isn't there as much.The offensive line, Patrick,
23:11I'm sure you're chagrined to see that your Daniel Fulele slanderthat you've had on this podcast all season has really gone national.It's taken off.No, I mean, it's not just me.At some point, you would like for it to go worldwide in Owings Millsto where it's a disservice to be completely,honest, because it's very difficult to play this gameat this level. And Daniel Falayle is a very
23:33large person whoyou don't necessarilywant him in open space with a defensiveback. But when that open spaceis within the gaps of theoffensive line, andthe rush is obviously coming,there's just been so many reps
23:49of Falay-Lay blocking airthis season that I thinkit has limited people's expectationslike, you're right now, 40seconds ago saying like Derek Henrymight be washed. I think.I'm not saying he's washed. I'm saying he's not as good as hewas. I think it's clear.
24:05Which time is linear. Yeah. But I do thinkif there'sa little, if there's better playand not to saythat you have to do things differently, butas Lamar was lamenting, theyknow it's coming.And that's true in different aspects.
24:21Like they know that the run is notnecessarily a great option for the Baltimore Ravensin the red zone. Andthey know exactly where to blitzbecause the Baltimore Ravens have had issuesin picking that up. And not to putit all on one player, but it's an entireorganizational circumstance where you put
24:3777 in this position to playthis way and you get the same resultsevery single time. At what pointis something else done? And like you said, it isnot just one person. It is not justone player. So when I say this, it is certainlynot, like, Lamar is feeling a lotof the effects of a lot of the structural
24:55issues, I think. But he also isstruggling himself and he's clearly not healthy and he's he's missed Wednesday practice. He'skind of on this new rest in recovery routine where he has a DNP on Wednesdays and then he stillplays that following weekend, including this week. But the Red Zone stuff, I mean, they are 30thin Red Zone touchdown percentage, which is the worst of the Lamar Jackson era in Baltimore.And part of it is because he is not a threat in the run game either. He has still has yet to force asingle miss tackle on design run on on the design run plays or any runs at all and and you knowthat's that's a problem because in the red zone it adds a layer and a dimension to the way you
25:39can attack a very small amount of space and the way that defenders have to try to cover youand if the quarterback is such a true like a truly a dual threat we know he can pass the ballwhen he's when he's passing the ball well and like he has an almost every season to this pointhe can pass the ball better than pretty much any quarterback in the NFL.He's gorgeous pure passer.But he's also not really, you don't really consider him as having a number one receiver per se.Zay Flowers has been productive,but I don't know if you would call him a threat that is being like truly bracketed by defenses
26:14week after week after week.And what does that do?That assigns everybody else to mathematical advantages against every other player on the field.And then when you take away the quarterback, he's clearly not healthy,when you take away his legs,you're then giving even more awayof what is so layered historicallyof your offensive attack.
26:31It's many, many problems at one time,but this is the worst Ravens offensewe've really seen over an extended periodwith Lamar Jackson actually on the fieldand playing.And statistically, a lot of these stats back it up.But the good news for the Ravensis that when we're talking about historic,
26:52historic worsts,Sure.The Bengals defense is allowing 6.32 yards per play,which is the fourth most in the Super Bowl era, guys.So good for the Raven.It was getting better for a couple.Well, yes, if we hadn't just seen them handle them,I do think the Ravens will bounce back.
27:09And I don't think it should be slept on that,like Lamar did rush for a touchdown last week,that he did, I think, look better,even if he's not the same guy running and look to run more last week.So I think that's important.Yeah, that's a good point.If you want to extrapolate the agitation,the outward frustration from Lamar where when he was when he was more hurt you didn't see that
27:30like he's not wasting energy being demonstrative on the sideline at people specificallyat Daniel Falayla because you know it wasn't feeling great and you see it now in the reactionswhere Mark Andrews breaks up a touchdown pass for for Newt Hopkins in these other situationswhere yeah you do have reason to leave he's they had 420 yards last week there were a lot ofsigns that it was coming around, but they just, it was a, it was a frustrating game.It was also frustrating to watch them put T. Higgins back in the game multiple times afterconcussion test.It was the exact same situation, Greg.
28:01Like, clear replay of his head bouncing off of the field.And then he goes into the concussion protocol.And then I was surprised to see he is practicing on a limited basis again Wednesday.So there is a chance he'll clear the protocol, but clearly he suffered symptoms or else theywouldn't have put him back in it despite playing it.But if he is not there, that that would.change things for the Bengals, certainly.Tight ends, by the way, against the Bengals.
28:24It's like a thing that every broadcastcoup mentions every week when you're playing the Bengals,but it is crazy that they've given up somethinglike 300 plus more yards againsttight ends than any other team.And I know the Ravens didn't quitehit that button a couple weeks ago, but they dohave a couple pretty good tight ends. Yeah, they could do it
28:41this time, they could do it, especially with Lamar, feelingbetter to your point, I love that note about his,you could see it all over on the sideline.And I think if it's just restructured this way,where getting that Wednesday rest just helps his body feel better.I mean, by all means, give him Thursday, too.I mean, this dude, it's not like you need to reteach or reinstall this offense with him.He's been running it at the highest level there is.
29:02Oh, we've seen it.We've seen it with great quarterbacks over the years, depending on the injury,depending on the season.I think Stafford's had time like that.Brady certainly has if that's what needs to happen, it's what will happen.And if it doesn't happen, and we're going to take a break with this.This is a longer conversation.I just suddenly got the feeling today
29:19I just realized like this is it for Harbaughif they don't if they don't make the playoffs forget itand I kind of think if they don't win like multiple gamesin the playoffs I just and it's not about that he's a bad coachit's just like sometimes things come to an endand this just feels like a logical timethat it would come to an end so it puts a lot of heaton what happens down the stretch
29:40the Tennessee Titans head coach John Harbaughthe Michigan job just came openlook at thatWe're starting rumors with absolutely no grounding in reality.Stretch your own.Just vibes.That's what we're all about.We'll take a break.
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34:10Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.Back on NFL Daily, you know, one thing about having no bye we need, more games in the preview show.More time for us together.More time on the good games.Maybe we'll have some quick ones here in this particular second.Why did you look at me saying that?Because there's only two people other than me in the room.There are some good teams here, but not as, you know, the matchups aren't as great.
34:40All right, the Cleveland Browns at the Chicago Bears, who were seven and a half point.favorites after a loss in what was a great game that came down to the wire against theGreen Bay Packers. The over under is 39 and a half. Kevin Coogler and Daryl Johnston on the call.Shadur Sanders went off last week. What does he do against the Bears this week? Yeah, I'm excited tosee because this will be a great, a great test and this will be a great test and his continueddevelopment. I love this, um, this defense, him playing against this defense. I'm excited to seewhat they do. The Browns themselves seem sort of resigned yet again once.another year in a row to their fate.
35:15I'd be really surprised if many in that building are still in their rolesby the end of, at the end of this season as it concludes.But in the meantime, I think we're watching a young quarterback grow up in the league.And on the other side, we're watching what can happen when you pair that young quarterbackwith the right team around him, with the right head coach in Caleb Williams.And I, as you guys know, I love watching the Bears offense.I love watching this run game in particular with my dude, Kyle,a young dude and once again put on a show last week and expected to do the same this week.
35:48Well, it's one of the best matchups in the week, I think, when the Bearshave the ball.Now, the Browns are coming off one of their worst games of the year.They got pushed around a little bit by the Titans up front.So it is fair to point out they are not faultless.Like, that was maybe only like the second time this year where the defense let like let themdown.It doesn't happen often.
36:10But I think it's a, it's a fascinating test for that.bear's offense against this pass rush.They've had Ozzie Tripilo playing well.Got some stuff too.At left tackle after getting, you know,it's a high traffic that didn't get much playing timethe first couple months of the season.But through injury, he's come in and he's played really well.
36:31So I think it's a great test.And I do think the Bears,I mean, the Browns are a dangerous opponent for their,for their opponents in the final month, the season.Just because if you have one side of the ball,that good.like an upset is always possible that that's why we thought things would go significantlydifferent uh last week we'd have liked for like it was the the tony pollard game that that was a
36:54career high in rush yards where you know you're wondering how this this ben jonson bears rushingattack which has looked so good uh in the past few weeks is going to look against clevelandand what they can take away from that performance and but again it's late in the season it's theBrowns, the only thing that most people are going to be interested in is Miles' magic number is nowhim and Shadur, actually, for a three-win team, they have a lot of heat and I think if Shardur playswell over this final month and their matchups aren't that tough in terms of the defenses,overall, it's Bears, Bills, Steelers, Bengals. I would say that's an average, the decent setupfor the Brown's offense specifically, not for their defense. It's a lot of good, you know, three great
37:38offenses they're playing. But,If he can just play how he's playing,I do think that'll establish enough of a levelwhere they're not necessarily looking at quarterbacks in the draftbecause they'll think,hey, did we get like a Teddy?It's a different type of player,but did we get a Teddy or Derek Carr level of player
37:59that like we can roll with for a season and then see that sort of levelwhere it's like, yeah, he's probably not going to be top five or top 10,but can he just like stabilize the quarterback position for a year or twoand we'll see and maybe he'll develop into a capital G guy.I think he has a shot at doing that in the next monthis going to really inform their decision.Oh, I love this slate for him because, yeah, it will be a challenge,but it will be a really good, like teaching tool type of challenge.
38:28Like you need to play these types of teams if you are a developing court,these types of defenses specifically.And you also need to be faced with a lot of different situationsthat these teams are going to put the Brown's offense inand put Shador Sanders in.You're facing a wide variety of pressure design.You're facing a wide variety of run-pass balancebased on the weaknesses of the upcoming opponents.
38:51You're going to learn so much about this guythrough the next month.And I love that about what he's got ahead of himbecause as you guys, we talked about this,all of us did before the draft.Like, he's got to me and to us,he's got a really high ceiling.And so if you can watch these types of things get put together and you can watch how they game plan with him and how they strategize and how they attack a wide variety of what he'll see, like, I love this for him.
39:18This is, this is going to be, this is like grad school, honestly, this next month.You know who doesn't have a high ceiling?Who's that?Deshaun Watson.Yeah.True.Haven't hit that on the show, but the reports, including from our network, that he's going to be on the roster next year and he'll have a chance to compete.I understand why they're out there.
39:37And I, and I, maybe the part of the Browns believe, I, I think they're just trying to get trade value.I think they're trying to find a way to get someone to maybe essentially have the reverse Brock Osweiler trade where you pay a little bit.They like take on some of Deshaun Watson's salary to get a draft pick from the Brown just to get him off the roster.I do not believe for a second he will ever play a snap for the Cleveland Browns again.And I kind of doubt he'll ever play a snap in the NFL.Part of why I don't think that will be successful.I think you're spot on about why this is.coming out and from Wence
40:09or from Hoomst. But I thinkpart of what is going tomake this dead in the water isevery other owner in the league was so pissed offabout that contract that there'sno way they're going to help now helpwith that contract. Oh, it's a losinggame. Like, I don't even know why they're trying.
40:25But Brown's fans also shouldn't freak outthat he's going to be competing to start next year. I justdon't believe. Yeah, worth our reminder that the ownershipof the NFL, it was appalledat the Deshaun Watson situationas it pertained to the contract.the Las Vegas Raidersat the Philadelphia Eagles
40:41who are favored by 11 and a half pointsGreg Rosenthalthe over under's 38 and a halfJoe Davis and Greg on the callJalen had the worst gamethat he's ever played in footballI would say how does he bounce backyeah well
40:56because he's a talented quarterbackit's crazy they asked him ifthey would consider benching Jalen Hurtsand again they did once askBill Belichickif there was any thoughtof benching Tom Bradyat one point
41:10like these questionsdo happento evendo you remember that onethat was goodall the way backPatrick I'm telling youit was actually my friend
41:19Tom Kern who asked itwhich ITom EI don't biteSpeaking of TomStarting to take some heatforbad decision making
41:28that's not helpinganother businessTom Bradyfor thisRoss VegasReaderQuestionable investmentfrom Tom Brady
41:34So that's interesting to me.They got to just have a good, bring out that positivity rabbit and get the running game going.I am as worried about the running game as I am Jalen Hertz.40% stuffed rate.Here's the stat I had for you last week.That's at or near the line of scrimmage for St.20% of their runs against the run defense you said isn't very good, which maybe is true.But like, yeah, well, you think ultimately like Stoutland University can only do so much
42:03if there's no, like, laptops or pencils.And when, like, Landon Dickerson is out there, like, with what's left of a leg trying to playwhere you wonder, like, if Stoutland and the coaching staff are looking up at Howie, like,you're doing it again, Howie, but as far as what's available for us, here on the offensive line,like, we maybe could have done something at the deadline because this was a problem that kind ofpersisted as the season went on.Lane Johnson is supposed to return at some point.That held.
42:32Maybe we'll be this week.Maybe it won't be, but it's a week-to-week thing.Speaking of legs, my most exciting thing about this game is that we're going to getto hear Greg Olson, who competed with Tom Brady or is in competition as a broadcaster withTom Brady, call a game pertaining to a true disaster of an operation right now in the lastThat's good.Potential spice.But that's why I wouldn't call it a revenge game, but I'm excited about it.
43:02But that's why, you know, Tom, like, had Greg Olson on his podcast or vice versa in the off season and tried, you know, Greg Olson said that, you know, he was very nice to him and stuff and that they, you know, tried to calm the waters.Maybe.Well, I mean, G-Rex's not going to take open shots.Like, he wasn't within that, you know, Patriot situation wherever, you know.Competitors are always competitors, even if they're not playing anymore.Maybe he's grinding tape a little extra.I know he's not cloning his dog.That's for sure.
43:31Yeah, I don't think there's a ton here.Obviously, if they don't like even cover this number against the Raiders, that'd be a disappointment.I did notice the Siriani effect, I think, on their offense, which, you know, he was supposedly having a heavier hand and taking a, it was a lot of empty last week.Didn't work very well, but a lot of empty.And then I think the more sticky part of it was they were taking more shots and there were more like longer developing like throw the ball down the field.type plays in that game against a defensedesigned to prevent that, then almost allseason. So I do think maybe you'll see that more out of the
44:07Eagles. And it'll work this week. Well,yeah, it'll work better this week because what are they going to be playingagainst single high, all game?That won't change. Hmm.They're going to need at least a twotouchdown lead in the final seconds.Pete Carroll's going to kick that field goal, Greg,make things look a little better. Also,
44:24my last point on that Monday night game was,man, Cooper DeGene is a hell of a player to walk live.Just watch him on every play. I'm like,That is what an All-Pro looks like.He was impressive.He's so smooth the way that he attacks and constrict space.To really appreciate a player like that,and I always used to do this with Jalen Ramsey,
44:44was you have to watch the All-22.Like, skip, we love you, Greg.We'll listen to the broadcast.But skip the broadcast of this oneand just watch the All-22 copy and just watch it.Because it's gorgeous.It's a thing.It's a work of art the way that they have that roll in.
45:01Another chance for a guy who's the sliding doors of the NFL, Vic Fangio, where it's all connected to Vic Fangio.And Brett Rippin.The Washington commanders on the road after getting toasted, 31 to nothing against the Minnesota Vikings taking on the New York Giants who are favored by two and a half points.The over under is 47 and a half.Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma, they're on the call where we get a chance.to see Jackson Dart back up against the defensethat kind of struggled against J.J. McCarthy, Jordan.How do you think Jackson Dart look?
45:40Well, this should be fun, right?You know?Arousic endorsement.I think you'll see him.That's the closest thing you've ever had to a non-answer.Just like, I don't have any.I don't know, Greg.It felt like an answer to me.
45:59It's what's not being said.No, I mean, I have, it's, it's, it's amusing me, actually, because going over our notes every week and getting all these, these notes ready to go for this game, I sat and stared at this bracket in my notes page for quite some time, because I have very little to say about this game.Well, the Giants haven't played, you know, they just had to buy that first game back from Dart was uneven. In general, I think he's been a pleasant surprise as a rookie. And if he can close out strong this month, that's important for him.and the Giants, just because it's been a really good rookie season.He does seem like, like I was talking about with Shadur,he's been at another level of like,I do feel like he's a guy you can build aroundand see what you can make happen.
46:43So you want to see him continue to play well.And on the other side, like,Jane Daniels isn't playing.And that's disappointing.He's had a really disappointing season because he's been hurt,but even when he's been on the field,it hasn't been the same,which makes it more disappointing that he's not healthy.
46:58What can you do?but it's another it's another marcus mariotta game they're not ruling out jaden daniels for the rest of theseason but reading between the lines it yeah i think that's uh that's on the table i there's justno way to know well they've got a rebuild a partial rebuild at least ahead of them especiallymultiple positions along that defense really the most intriguing thing i i think jackson darts greati think he's going to be their quarterback if he can stay healthy and and out of the blue tent likehe will he'll be their quarterback for a whileI think he's got an, I've seen enough at this point.
47:31And he clearly galvanizes his teammates.They like him.They like playing with him.I would love to see him operate with a little bit more of an arsenal around him.What this actually looks like, but for what three games, we just don't really know.What I think is a more intriguing plot point of the Giants season right now is like,it's like an episode of traitors or like survivor or something.Every week, someone's getting voted off Giants Island.
47:55In this case, Brian Cox, the defensive line coach.was fired by the team and reports, including by my colleague Dan Duggan at The Athletic,said that it was because there was some agitation about the seats on the team plane flying home,which Mike Kafka didn't quite address in his post game or in his press conference starting the week.So every week, you're just starting to see someone's getting voted off week by week by week in a slow drip until it's all gone.Shout out to Brian Cox, still getting it done in the NFL.or not.What?
48:31I'm trying to imaginewhat the seatconversationcould have possiblyYeah, I tooam curious about such a thingIt's never just the seatSo I'm assuming there's some other stuff
48:42Well, there was also some commentaryThis is why I mean, you knowThey've had to deal with some crapThat's a great beat up thereBecause they know the context of certain thingsAnd Dan was sayingBrian Cox and Brian Dable are very closeAnd so there's perhaps
48:58Also, if you remember Brian Cox as a player, maybe I'm aging myself here, whether as a player or as a coach, he does not seem like a man who would suffer fools gladly or tow the company line.He would be a line stepper in a fun way possible for me, but maybe not for his bosses.And like to his credit, right?Yeah.You, you know, you're told to tow the company line, but if you don't necessarily need it, maybe.Yeah.Maybe you got something lined up on the.Maybe you got something else lined up.
49:29Or you can just not and tell people what they can do with a particular job.UNC defensive line coach, Ryan Cox.Jacobi Versette and the Arizona Cardinals on the road taking on the Houston Texanswho were favored by nine and a half.They just keep winning Greg Rosenthal.The over under is 42 and a half.Chris Myers and Mark Schleriff there to watch a spectacular defensegoing up up against the team that almost exclusively throws the ball at this point.
49:54It is outrageous.Tray Benson on the Cardinals is now out for the rest of the season.There was some hope he would come back.In fact, he returned to practice.And then I guess it didn't go well.And so that only outlines, yes, Patrick, that they are a past first attack.And they, like, played quite well, like, for a half against the Rams.The problem on offense, you're giving me rolling eyes.
50:18They literally scored on their first, like, what was it, two or three possessions.and then they had one drivewhere Jacoby misses one throwand then suddenly they're down by two touchdownsbecause the Rams are scoring a touchdownand it's just every single driveit's tough to play football that waybut it has been fun to see
50:35Trey McBride on his pathand this would be the biggest test possibleagainst this team although weirdlythe Texans have been bad against like slotslot players this year and he's out there sometimesbut Aziz al-Shayr has been greatagainst tight ends they're using him more in coveragehe totally locked down Travis Kelsey.
50:53Now, I think Trey McBride's playing betterthan Travis Kelsey, of course, right now.But Aziz al-Shayr is a monster in past defense right now.McBride leads the NFL in receptions.He's over 900 yards, too.So I think he's on his way to his first team all pro.Who else would it be?I think it's Ray McBride.
51:10I love that.The one player I didn't curse this year.There you go.He's too good to get cursed.It is a little weird team the Texans favored by nine and a half in the year2025.It really shows how many people are going over to your side, Patrick, of them as a Super Bowl contender,which I agree they're a contender.
51:28Well, it's because of they got what you were calling for weeks ago, just like normal.It's just a big sign.It's like offensive line, normal, regular.And they have been.And, you know, amid pressure where the chiefs were crowding the line, Spags was blitzing,Stroud what felt like the entire second half, even, you know, in situations where Andy Reid put them in a position where they had to try to get negative plays.And, you know, with bullets flying, a Stroud looked pretty solid to the extent where, you know, we don't, ever since like the, you make it the Mac Wilson injury or maybe the schedule for this Cardinals defense where it's just been a precipitous fall.Every week they have some really crappy luck injury.
52:08Parris Johnson, the tackle being one this week, or last week, sprained MCL.So he's going to be out.And that just really stinks.We like the Cardinals every off season lately.very recently in terms of we see their ideas and we like some of their players and we likethe way that some of the scheme works and all of that. But man, they can't close. They can'tclose a game and they can't close a season. And it's just tough. Bad combo. It's a bad combo.And that's why they're here right now. The thing about the Texans that I love right now is that
52:39they're getting more precision out of their young receivers. CJ Stroud is getting some greatproduction from Jaden Higgins at Iowa State who they absolutely love. They love that receiver.room and that coach, Matt Campbell, so much, in fact, that they drafted his teammate aswell, but Jaden Higgins is playing great. And they're getting just, they look, like you said,they look normal. They look at least middle of the pack on offense. And when you have a defenseas elite as that group is, you can work with that. And you can run on this Cardinals team. WoodyMarks Miss Practice Wednesday, but he did that last week too. So I think he's going to be fine.They need him to be fine. Nick Chub is a little banged up. But you're right. Higgins is kind of playing
53:17the role that I thought Christian Kirk would play.Kirk is out there.He's playing.They actually have a lot of weapons.Texans are alive.One of the throws that Shrout missed.Greg texts me every week.Great protection on Westster Christian Kirk.
53:32So maybe they get everything going.As we get to, I do an apology to Brady Cook.I was unfamiliar with his game last week.I've done a little more digging.I'm looking back to the, you know,it's his first big playing time in college football against Georgia.when they lost 43 to 6, but he got better.He went on, and he made his way to the National Football League.
53:52And now we may have Brady Cook planned for the Jets with Tarad Taylorand his growing injury on the road at the Red Hot Jacksonville Jaguars, Jordan,who were favored about 12.5 points, Tom McCarthy and Ross Tucker on the call.The over-under is 41 and a half.Can the Jets do anything to slow down this Red Hot Jaggs thing?I love what the Jags are doing right now.I do want to apologize to the Jets and to Brady Cook,because when we, I watched that,
54:18I had that game last week,one thing that I had dominantly in my notesthat I should have mentioned or should have pushed in somehowinstead of probably rambling about some nonsense like I tend to do,was how many drops the receivers had?Brady put a couple of nice throws together.He put together a really nice drive at the end of the gamebefore he was ultimately intercepted,
54:38but on a would-be touchdown, it'll advise throw also,so those are also happening.But he had probably in the double digits,of passes dropped by his receivers in that game last week.Now, does that make a difference against the Jags this week?No, I don't think so.Trevor Lawrence is coming off the best game of his career.To me, this is not an argument for, like...
55:01Yeah, it's a pretty good 2023 games.The level of Trevor.But this was in a downpour, Greg.This was in a downpour where you expect the Carson Wentz level of modern Carson WentzWentz to emerge, right?And instead, he was a better version of Trevor Lawrence and he was a more, he had more personality.And talking to people over in Jacksonville, they love that his personality is emerging, that he's not so within himself or maybe like even a little shell shocked from some of the stuff that he's gone through and observed just organizationally over the last couple of years.He's like budding heads with Liam Cohen on the sideline.
55:41And he's similar to what we talked about Justin Herbert, a little bit earlier this year, when he did the point.point, the first down points and all this stuff.Yeah.His personality as,as who they want him to be as this quarterback is coming out,that's a good thing.That's a very good thing.And it matches the level of aggressiveness and enthusiasm
55:59that the rest of this team is playing with and really has played with all season.Yeah,I wrote down in my notes,like athletic arrogance from Lawrence last week.He was playing cocky.Like the throws he was trying,he's always a guy who tries stuff.But some of the running,
56:14he has looked to run more the last couple weeks.We talked all off season that the one fly in the ointment with the Jags wasLiam Cohen was brought in to help bring Trevor to the next level.And we wanted to see it click.And I think the last two weeks are the best two weeks even.I'll extend it back a week that he's had since that 22 season in which he somehowgot an MVP like boat lower down.How did that happen?
56:37Really?On that 9 and 8 jacks even.But he had a little stretch in that season where he was absolutely on fire.And in the last couple of weeks really remind me of that.And I thought the biggest development in the game other than that was it was a great Brian Thomas Jr.It looked like the old Brian Thomas Jr.He had one like really routine catch, which actually was over the middle of a field.Oh.
57:00It's more just like sit in the zone type of play.But his speed makes a zone look so much slower because like he just gets to that spot so fast and Trevor threw it with anticipation.And he's opened by like 10 yards because they, you just can't account for.that kind of speed on like an intermediate route.And then he had two great other catches,you know,one on the sideline on one of the best throws of the year by Lawrence.And another which he babbled a little bit like on a slot fade.
57:27But he caught it in the end.And like three big time plays in like Jacobi Myers is great.But Jacobi Myers doing his Jacobi Myers thing with a truly explosive weapon next to him.Now you're cooking with gas.You get a chance to see the vision.And it all comes together.The Jordan.agenda. But also
57:47on that on that BTJ catchon the sideline, also on the T. Higgins touchdown,we got to clear up in the rulebookwhat hand fighting is. Because when thereceivers are making these catcheswith one hand, because the other one isbeing grabbed and held,that's past interference.
58:05I know BTJbobbled it because he only had oneharm with which to work with.We got to start throwing that. I love it. I thinkParker Washington's going to be back this week.He left the game last week withum like a weird couple weeks ago right yeah with the yeah super weird moment where he like doubledover he's grabbing his side out of nowhere he is an absolutely electric kickoff and punt returner
58:26uh so their special teams has really come along but also he's really finding a niche insidethe offense as well him and jacobi meyers are rotating with each other like sort of orbiting aroundinside and outside of the slot and that's interesting to me because as we you know i'm personallyinvested in this passing game and I am so interested in how many combinations they candeploy out of the fact that they're not just using Jacoby Myers on the perimeter nor BrianThomas Jr. nor Parker Washington. These guys are starting to interchange in a way that we knowthat this offense goes to the next level and takes another step forward when it can it can runall of those different types of combinations against the defense and do so effectively and really
59:10really well.I mean,once we get backin terms of health,if Parker Washingtoncomes back,Britain Strange,Kobe Myers.
59:18That's a pretty damn good.B.T.J.Parker Washington.This version of ETN.It looks pretty good.Oh,and an update from earlier, Greg.The line has gone back
59:28to the Buffalo bill.Wait,were we just wrong earlier?What happened?No.This is crazy.The line movesbecause they want to spur action.
59:37They're listening to Greg.That is crazy.And yes,we have just wrapped upThe Texans and Jaguars are in a new place in their seasonwhere they are favored heavily.Can they both just take care of business,take another step to the playoffs?
59:49The Jaguars could be 10 and 4 after this week.All they got to do is beat Brady Cook,and they are getting healthier.Patrick McCarrie, Robert Hainesie,the interior line was back last week.Trayvon Walker is now healthy,fully healthy again.The Jaguars are a Super Bowl contender.
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