NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 NFL Week 15 Late and Primetime Games Preview

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview the late and primetime Week 15 action across the NFL starting with the Lions at the Rams followed by Packers at Broncos (10:30), Vikings at Cowboys on Sunday Night Football (18:45), Colts at Seahawks (27:57), Titans at 49ers (37:10), Dolphins at Steelers on Monday Night Football (42:40), and Panthers at Saints (49:00).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay. I think we should define the stretch run as the section of the season where the buys are over. Everyone has the same record four-game sprint and we're done. I am co-signing this. This is the official beginning of the stretch run. Any previous use is thereby invalid. The architect of the conversation speaks. These two things are connected because I think the stretch run.

ultimately decides the conversation. And I made up this definition 45 seconds ago while speaking. But I like it. I think it should... No, it should absolutely stand and reminds me of famed sayer of things, Cole Beasley,

saying that dogs don't stretch before they run. But famously, you see dogs stretching all the time. And not only that, big stretch. If nobody says big stretch, the stretch never happened. So last week,

I called it the best slate of the season. And it was. But I got to say, the top of this slate and a lot of good matchups, too. So maybe this, I hope this isn't every week thing. I haven't looked ahead. But we got like five or six bangers plus Philip Rivers returning to football. Damn it. Just like an amazing combination of things.

Shout out to Philip Rivers. And shout out to everybody under the age of 44 who can now a lot of us look up and say, hey, somebody older than me, getting back into it. So congratulations. in that aspect, but we've also got a lot at stick. The Detroit Lions are trying to get into the postseason as that becomes into a threat in the Los Angeles Rams, trying to maintain that course towards the number one seed in the NFC. It is a Jared Gough, the annual Jared Golf Revenge game. Greg Wilson's all the Rams were favored by five and a half points against those lines.

The over under is 55 and a half. Kevin Burkhart and Tom Brady there to see these two teams go at it. How do you see it, though? I can't wait to watch it. I think about what Dan Campbell said at the start of the season. It was almost like he was trying to lower expectations. He might have seen what was coming. That, hey, sometimes it's not about the shiny record in the regular season.

Maybe this is going to have to be a team that earns its stripes. And however we get into the playoffs, the important part is that we're playing well then. We're not worried about seating. And here they are needing a win in the worst way in a matchup that, yeah, they have won in the biggest of spots. You know, they won in the playoffs. And then they won in the following week one. And these two teams just don't feel like those two teams anymore.

I should have mentioned Jordan, by the way, we're leading with the afternoon slate and the prime time slate this week because there's so many good games in this window. And you are not going to be the one assigned to this game. This is going to be a Patrick Clayvon special. I love it. Little Rams buying. The Rams can come.

clinch a playoff birth if they win this game. And that is significant, obviously. And I have to say, I for one, am glad that the most important thing about this game for either team is playoff implications. And that potentially for the Rams and also the Detroit Lions fighting hard to stay alive and in the hunt, if they are, you know, on the graphic and in the wildcard consideration in the graphic right now, not the history and layers and folds of drama that we have talked about for years at this point about what got Matthew Stafford to Los Angeles and got

Jared Goff to Detroit. Instead, it's, let's talk football guys. But isn't the matchup in terms of how Stafford right now, maybe leading the conversation has a better matchup and is supported crazily by a better running game than the Lions, by a better defense than the Lions, by a better pass rush than the Lions. I think that's really flipped since the last. time these two teams played. Not that there was that that much of a difference, but it felt like Patrick, like the Lions were a more complete team then and that the Rams are a more complete team

now. Yeah, especially when you consider once again, the Lions going through injuries in the secondary, albeit they're at the safety spot now where Kirby Joseph, not 100% Brian Branch out for the remainder of the 2025 season, where you've seen those guys for the past couple of seasons, even

when the rest of the injuries were taking place and the secondary kind of eliminate that mid 10 to 19 yard aspect of the field where Matthew Stafford has been dominant and again Stafford's dominant everywhere with the buy for Drake May. Except in the rain. Well, we'll put an asterisk on the right because a lot of guys have struggled in the elements as

fans of bad football like to say. Fifty-four points right now has Matthew Stafford in the lead because Drake May was coming off of a buy. Oh, for the conversation, yes. This because we do count the lines as a contender and Jemir Gibbs has worked his way up into a necessary aspect of the conversation where Stafford will get bonus points for beating a contender

and double those as we get into late this season. So we're tracking that. We keep track of everything here. But it's hard to go lines. I know that the lines look great against the Dallas Cowboys, but there's just so many other aspects

where C.D. Lamb left that game. Puka is playing insane football right now, like a crazy person who's actually catching everything to where I'm going to go Rams here. And the lions, because of the injuries that you mentioned, they have given up the fourth most number of explosive plays in the NFL to this point, which is surprising because you do watch them play and they play with such tenacity and they're very well coached by Kelvin Shepard. And, you know, it's a completeness thing.

To your point, Greg, I think it's really interesting how you mentioned some of the flipping of fates of the roster builds of these teams. It's also a flipping of fates in a way of some of the offensive tendencies. And, you know, Sean McVeigh, when Jared Gough was his quarterback, built one of the most complete and explosive run games that we had seen in the NFL to that point with Todd Gurley and got the play action pass game going, well, when Matthew Stafford comes to town, it's pure dropback and keep the defense in front of you and don't flip your back and throw the ball the hell down the field, right? But no run game to speak of. But now they've got everything and they're not, they're using Stafford and some of that play action, which is

leading to some of the explosive plays. And the offensive line is protecting really, really well, which is also something that they had struggled with from time to time, despite the fact that they have injuries. And I've got a serious eye on Warren McClendon, who's filling in it right tackle and has for six games total this season for the injured Rob Havenstein, because if there is a hinge point in this game, it's right there because Aiden Hutchinson lines up on both sides of the defensive line. And on third downs, as Patrick Claibon astutely pointed out before the show, Jordan was the one was looking up. I don't know why she's giving me credit here. Loads up. That's what I was like, you help me, you help me access the correct space to look this. I was like,

where's the heat chart? Damn it. He loads up over the right side, or over, across from the right tackle, excuse me. And so that's to me, if Warren McClendon can keep playing at this level that he's playing at, which is only four pressures given up on 207 pass block, no sacks, then the Rams are going to be able to protect. Yeah, they haven't had as deep and dynamic a pass rush to the Lions as they would want. Hutchinson's obviously great. My defensive player of the year honking from the first half of the scene, that's died down a little bit, but he's obviously still a great player, but you just need more than one guy. Leem McNeil's maybe not had the same impact that he had pre-injury after that that first week he was back. But I really just look at the like

the running game. I'm glad you mentioned Kirby Joseph. That is just like an injury item to watch because he's had the same injury that's been bothering him all year that I think it sounds like it's it might never go away but he did return to practice uh on Wednesday so this might be the week that he gives it a go Alex Anzolone though who got hurt late in that Lions game was not a practice Wednesday so that's something to keep an eye the thing is when I watch this running game right and I know they just play the Cardinals but the Ram's running game they're just getting such push such cohesion such great running and there's no drop off whatsoever when they go to Blake Quorum.

And he adds a little more juice to what Kyron Williams did. I wouldn't say he's better, but he, Sean McVeigh is finally doing the thing that he said that he was going to do forever, which is truly have, years and years, right, have like two backs that carried load together. And Coram's kind of doing the thing that Kyron Williams did, which is it's not an easy offense for a running back.

And it's a second year leap where it really took him a little while to get going, kind of like Kyron Williams. And then the second year, they just take off. On the flip side, though, you've been talking about it all year, Jordan, as they throw my note card route. These Rams corners, they're a problem. And I know it was a blowout last week, but you know who's getting smoked a lot in that game?

Emmanuel Forbes for a second straight week and Akella Witherspoon, who hasn't been great this season. So if there's a strength of the lions, like they know how to pick on your secondary. Amon Ra is hopefully a little healthier off of a mini buy. And it could be a fun little shootout. Well, to be fair, Akella Witherspoons, like, clavicle was broken in half. So if he was on injured reserve for most of the season to this point.

Well, since he came back, right? I'm saying he had a rough week last week. He had a bad week last week. And I would say Emmanuel Forbes had a really, really strong middle stretch. But we're in the stretch run, Patrick. Yeah, that's what I mean. Once the stretch run begins, which is officially right now because there are no more buys, as defined by Greg Rosenthal and seconded and thirded here on the show,

this is the stretch run. So you can't, clavicle or not, if you have all your body parts and you're out there getting torched, it's the stretch run. And the Rams, like, yeah, they're trying to win the division. You have the Seahawks and the Lions in a five-day stretch, which is crazy. But they're also trying to get the one seed. So I know they could win the division if they gave this game up and then won on Thursday. But a one-seat is a playoff victory. So their only route, really, to a one-seat is winning these two games in the Lions.

They're not out of it if they lose it, but they'll be in a pretty tough fight. one you want to talk about one seats let's go over to the a fc where right now the number one see denver broncos riding a win streak a huge big game win streak the over under 42 and a half but the broncos in this win streak are not favored because toyotathon is on the december to remember sales event whatever toyota and lexas family uh sales event in the holidays you want to discuss jordan rodrig because jordan love is super hot right now jim i don't know jim and tony romo on the call, how do you see it going? I'm so happy right now.

Okay, the best thing about Jordan Love playing like this every year during Toyotathon is a new tradition that Patrick Claibon and I have started in the room on Sundays, which every time he makes a throw, pointing at each other across the cubicles and going, Toyotathon. I love it. I ask Greg if I could have this game. These are my two favorite, among my two favorite defenses. it goes Houston Texans, Green Bay Packers, Denver Broncos, Los Angeles Rams,

Seattle Seahawks up there as well in my hierarchy in no particular order. Even though I just said hierarchy, I think that this game is going to be an absolute rock fight. I know that we've seen both of these offenses really turn on, especially the last couple of weeks, Green Bay, especially having Christian Watson as the bona fide dude number one. for Jordan Love with five touchdowns in four games and that beautiful moment, the Lambo Leap last week and with Bo Nix playing really well and that offensive line just rocking and rolling for the Broncos. I get all of that.

I see all of that. But these two defenses are reaching the apex of their powers right now. And the way that Jeff Halfley came out of the byweek and the way that, you know, and the way that the Broncos and Vince Joseph is scheming things up again with Patrick Sertain back, it is. absolutely gorgeous to watch and it's physical and it covers so much ground and it annoys you if you're the quarterback and I love it and I cannot wait to watch this. Which team, which quarterback is like more prepared to deal with the other defense?

The obviously answer would be would be love. But I think in terms of Bo Nix having the coach, you know, I don't think Matt LaFleur is an advantage over Sean Payton. And then certainly the offensive line, I think Bo Nix has the advantage right now. It is interesting the Packers who have been just rotating and trying to figure out what is our best five and everyone is changing positions all the time. And then obviously they have that injury where they lose Elton Jenkins, their center. It has allowed them to kind of settle into who they think their five is. Now they have their rookie Anthony Belton at right guard right now. they have last year's first round pick,

Jordan Morgan's just bent. He doesn't play anymore. They're no longer rotating. It seemed like they played pretty well overall last week, but it is a real test for that offensive line this week against Vance Joseph and the players up front and the types of pressures that they want to give. And so if you're looking for an advantage for the Broncos,

I think that's it right there to test these young players for the Packers. I mean, they're not playing any of their first round picks right now. Matthew Golden and Jordan Morgan. like no wonder they felt okay trading away picks for micha parsons like you know what you're getting micha parsons you never know what you're going to get out of your first round picks and i i think the biggest bonus of not knowing what they get back i think all of my fellow ac aliens everybody who's ever dealt with it are pouring through the data right now trying to find aliens what did christian watson do like what was the exact rehab format because coming back he's looked great he's looked

explosive. Can I give you the numbers? Yeah. 452 yards and seven touchdowns. It's just a preposterous. How many games does he play? Not that many, right? Week 9? Was that the return? It's seven games there. I mean, that is an outrageous

total for seven games. And so like you hope to see that. And again, I love CJGJ. CJ JJ showed a little bit of where on the tire trying to chase Christian Watson across the field. The secondary, a little bit better in this one. And they actually have a pass rush, unlike the Chicago.

go bears do. And so both of these pass rushes kind of marquee in this. And I know we, I got on Sean Payton for Hayden Bow Nix a little bit. That's the game type. I think that's involved here where all of these Broncos screens that they have been running constantly, like it's like, why are we doing

this to go down the field? We can kind of not eliminate micro Parsons in there, but provide that little bit of hesitation for both Parsons and Gary and this very active front seven, you know, we saw that hit on Kyle Munangai. paints flying off. They're triggering so early. And I think that's when Sean Payton with his,

you know, the bifocals and the big play sheet, like the screens are big in this one. I lean Broncos in a rock fight. If it's a rock fight, I'm taking the 2025 Broncos. See, I love that. I love that point you made about the screens because for, for the listeners, it is such a timing and math play, right? Because you are timing not only the screen to really pop loose right when the pass rusher is, you know, beyond the point of no turning back and flipping his body around and then containing that player in the flat, right, or in the tunnel if you're running an inside screen. What you're also doing is you're timing the cadence. You're making them think that you're going to run a longer developing play, but you're disguising it in order to bait the pass rush

into coming at you and then dumping the ball off. Sean Payton designs those. It's like him and Andy Reed. Those guys designed those types of screens, the timing screens that really mess with the defensive ends mind and a pass rusher's mind better than anybody else, I think that we've ever really seen. And I think that I love that you brought that up, Patrick, because I think that does become such a massive factor in this game. And then it's going to ask Jeff Halfley to bring his DBs down a little bit further. And while Keishon Nixon and company have played great, you know, you also see just as many shots of Matt LaFleur screaming at him on the sideline. Right. So this, this game, I think, is going to be such a interesting, like, bait

and switch kind of mind game. And Quay Walker is back and Quay Walker will do one thing. He'll fly around, but sometimes it's like not in the right direction. Edron Cooper, I mean, he's a perfect football player and he would be the perfect guy to help stop. I love him. These screens and both these running games have been uneven throughout the course of the season and both are feeling better, I think, about themselves right now than they have for most of the season.

I thought RJ Harvey ran awesome last week and granted it was against the Raiders, but I think he's just sort of running with a little more confidence in general. And then Josh Jacobs had his big moments last week. And it's a brutal stretch run for Denver because, like, yeah, they're, they're going for the one seed. Absolutely. But they also are playing the Packers, the Jags. They're in Kansas City and the Chargers.

So every week, they are in one of these games in our first block. And you say Bo Nix is playing, what did you say? Better. He is playing better. I thought he played really well against the. I do think there's going to be moments in this stretch run where it needs to be on Bo a little bit more in a way that it hasn't needed to be so far.

I would like to release a quick statement. Oh, wow. Okay, here we go. On the See You Next Tuesday show. I referred to the actor who Bo Nix most resembles as William Defoe. What I should have said instead was Willem Defoe. That's on me and I take full responsibility for my actor. Wow.

Well, I corrected it in the moment, just subtly. you know, when I called out. What a handsome man. As you do. As you do. Willem DeFoe is. Yes. And a great villain.

You know, a lot of, you know, you get in a lot of situations in these films where you get a charismatic villain. Yes. And you have people saying wild stuff like Kilborder was right. Well, Willem DeFoe, a good spot. People don't miss the point. It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places.

Minnesota at Dallas, the five and a half. half point favorite Dallas Cowboys. What? Taking on nine. Who looked great, Greg Rosent on the over under is 47 and a half. It is Sunday night football. So you get Mike Tariko and Chris Collinsworth on the call. How good does J.J. McCarthy look against this Cowboys defense that has made some people

look pretty good in 2025. I think he'll look better than he did before he sat that game out. Because last week did feel like a step forward. I went to watch that back with a, a skeptical eye, you know, didn't have a ton of, you know, reps in terms of like just dropbacks. That first drive was perfect.

He's hitting his first reads a lot, but there were a couple plays later where he gets to the second or third read. There were a couple really nice deep outs. There were virtually no mistakes at all. And he did seem a little quicker to just try to pick up a couple yards or take like a lesser sack in the game.

And so if they can get that opening script, obviously, as on the, money as they did against the commanders, he's not going to be the deciding factor in this game. And then, you know, you just hope like the rest of his teammates, which are a great, like, set of teammates. Like they had their offensive line completely back.

I think that was a huge part of it. They ran the ball great. They ran the ball great. It's an easy matchup. I get it. But that one performance did give me some optimism for the stretch run. That he can just normalize until like a normal quarterback who won't prevent you from playing, like, a competitive game, which is how he was playing before.

We saw the vision. They brought in Jordan Mason to help compliment Aaron Jones in a really natural way. And you saw what it was supposed to look like and you understood like the theory behind it. And really, I think last week, and it's been in spurts and fits, right? But especially at the beginning of the year and then all the quarterback drama happens. Last week, you really saw what this thing is, how this really can help J.J. McCarthy. That was what Kevin O'Connell and Quasi Adolfo Menza intended when they made these decisions was that yes, we are admitting we have to have a great system and a great

supporting cast around this quarterback as he grows up as a human being and also in the national football league. And so I think that you saw, yes, it's the commanders and yes, this was a weird game and a sad one for the commanders as well. But you're really seeing these like putting the blueprint on paper games are really important for a football team. And they were there. Every single one of them is important for J.J. McCarthy. I think the blue print that we've seen for so long that did return for the Minnesota Vikings was AVG getting a tipped interception

out on the edge. Harrison Smith extending his active NFL lead in terms of career players in terms of interceptions. But the bit of the outlier against this commander's defense, which was faulting, and I know that they had De Ron Payne back in this game.

But the interior pressure is a real issue for J.J. McCarthy when he can't get that full big stride into the throws. And Quinn and Williams has changed the interior situation in Dallas where it makes it makes me worried for this whole ebb and flow and roller coaster J.J. McCarthy discussion nationally that we may be. Oh yeah. Sunday night. I mean, that step forward was like a nice little step. It's not going to mean anything if he has like a bad quarter and a half. And we've seen rookies in a tightly managed

game like survive well for one week that the test is going to be this next month. But I think as we saw, you know, against the lions. The Cowboys defense, like, still will have holes in the back end. Dron Bland's a good player. He has given up the fourth most yards in coverage in the NFL. Trayvon Diggs, like, I don't know if he's going to return or not. I thought it was interesting that Brian Schottenheimer said that we need to see Trayvon Diggs do everything the right way as he's coming back.

So it's just weird public back and forth between the team. digs and yeah, I just, I'm not buying in that the Dallas defense is suddenly like a top 10 defense. No, but I love their front now. I do. I mean, I loved it with Michael Parsons on it, too. I keep spraying at you. I'm sorry, Greg. I did not notice. I love. Jordan tells ourselves for no reason all the time. I'm so sorry. It's an audio medium. No one has seen it. Nobody would have known. I, I love their front. I love Quinn and Williams. He's playing honestly with so much joy too. It's like he's getting to show the world

what we've always known he's capable of doing and kind of out of a sad rebuild place once again. And I really like this defensive front. The back seven, I don't trust one bit. Some of it's feaster famine and other parts of it just have fundamental issues

and some tackling issues. They're starving. Yeah, there's a lot of famine in there. But I do really like how they've been shaping this front and they're attacking the ball. You know, guys like Sam Williams making plays and and Quinn and Williams having like the best month and a half of his career to this point. It's special to watch. And that's the side of the ball to me that will be interesting. And this is a good Sunday night game despite the Vikings record because I think they are

about the perfect spoiler down the stretch of any team. But the other side of the ball is where it really gets cooking. Like that Prescott versus Flores and this young offensive line for the Cowboys, which has mostly been good and getting better, trying to figure out everything that they send at it. All the Tyler's. Yeah, all the Tyler's. We got the Booker. We got Tyler Smith.

Actually, we don't have Tyler Guyton, so we don't have all the Tyler's. No. You have multiple Tyler's. Two-thirds of the Tyler's. And Dak, coming off a game where, like, he was up for the fight. We'll see about C.D. Lam's status this week. But that, that Vikings defense on a, on turf and everything, like, I don't know. I'm really looking forward to it.

You know what? And we already got through the first George Pickens crash out of the year. And so we're good, right? It'll be, it'll be great. Yeah. The rough Pickens game being churlid from the booth on pride. Oh, my God.

Don't even get me started on that. I'm wondering what George did to Herbie specifically. I miss that because Herb Street is white noise to me. And I just try to block it out. Go to the radio if you can. But it caused 10 days of conversation. of like, you know, this kind of, you know, can George Pickens be trusted with a long-term contract?

Does he give the great effort? Yes, he can. I'll answer it for you. Yes, he can. Okay, he didn't battle for a couple of those balls. Multiple things can be true. Uh-huh. George Pickens, since he came in the league,

does have more reps that where he did not give great effort than almost any wide receiver since he's entered the league. Like, that was a thing on tape in Pittsburgh. Which is crazy because there's so many other. snaps and obviously he's been incredible all season where he gives somehow like more effort than anyone else on the field. So so there that does just add a little bit of contact. And also that you know who you're like you know who

you're paying like pay I don't think it should affect his conversation about his contract at all. Like have you seen what this guy the play is that this guy has been making? I mean he's and you and by the way you've got the right quarterback. You've got the right receivers room. Him and CD seemed to get along really well. And you've got the right coach. That is like Schadenheimer, I would trust, I would trust to handle whatever comes up, honestly.

And this is a perfect matchup too, because that's the Vikings weakness too, is that second cornerback spot, whoever is out there. Like, they got Byron Murphy, but they can get picked on a little bit on the outside. They're not a big group. No.

Brian Flores likes some like, small and feisty. Before we take a break, though, I did want to, you know, close the circle here on George Pickens, who likes to wear the, the shiasty, you know? Okay.

The face covering, popular. And so... Popular? Brian Schuytenheimer's been doing it. And you might have seen that in Hard Knocks this week where Dack actually gave Schottenheimer a schistee and then Schottenheimer spoke about it actually to the media this week. Yeah, I didn't really like it.

I couldn't breathe. I don't know why those guys like it so much. But I thought, hey, this is the cool thing going on. Let me try it. It's kind of like the 6-7 thing a few weeks ago. I'm a hip guy. But yeah, I didn't really like it. It didn't stay on very long.

America's cool dad, Brian Schottenheimer. I'm not like regular moms. I'm a cool mom. I misnamed him earlier when we were coming into the studio and I called him Jason Garrett. And it made me think he kind of is like just a cooler Jason Garrett. But he's like an evolved cooler dad, Jason Garrett. David Dukovny. I think he's better.

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Try them for free at Wasabi. Back on NFL Daily, and we've hit Philip Rivers in each show this week. Understandably. We're going to hit Philip Rivers and each show the rest of the season. We can just call this Philip Rivers Daily forever more. This is a gift. Hopefully the Seattle Seahawks don't hit Philip Rivers that much. The Indianapolis Colts, yes.

44-year-old Philip Rivers at the Seattle Seahawks who are favored by 14 points. The overrunners, 42 and a half. Andrew Catalan, the best Charles Davis and Jason McCordy. They're on the call where maybe Philip Rivers, maybe Tyler Warren, maybe somebody's taking snaps for the Indianapolis Colts against the best defense in the NFL Jordan. How does it go? I mean, I feel like we just have to start out right away listening to Philip Rivers, to be honest. There's only one way to start out this Philip Rivers game, and that is by listening to

Phillip Rivers first comments to the Indianapolis media. I've tried to make this as simple as I can. I'll try to get emotional. Actually, you're asking that. As simple as can be as a coach that I love and an organization that I really enjoyed being with, you know, Mr. Ursae, believing in me in that year in 2020 when it didn't go so good in 2019

and shoot the teammates that I was able to were able to play with, shoot 14 of them are still here. training room is the same. PR guys are the same. Equipment rooms are the same. And they wanted me. I'm all the way freaking in. You know me.

Ernest comments. I'm in. He is obviously overwhelmed. We'll see what the emotions are like if Byron Murphy is like cracking him in the back, you know, in the first quarter of that game. We actually don't know if Philip Rivers is even playing. I'm assuming this.

on some level, and I shouldn't. We don't know if Riley Leonard is available. We do know that Brett Rippin was signed to the active roster on Wednesday, but they would need two active quarterbacks. Philip Rivers for now is on the practice squad. One of my favorite lines was in the ESPN story by Stephen Holder, who does a good job covering the team. And he said, according to sources, Rivers' workout was impressively.

He threw the ball well, but it needs to improve his conditioning, according to source how that impacts his ability to play this week is unclear like yeah um but he knows the offense he was running it as a high school coach for his kid it was Shane Steichen's offense Patrick and so there's a couple of ways to look at that yeah like man like this offense is these high schoolers are getting at it or the Colts are running a high school office well I think they probably there's a slimmer I think they simplified it I mean it's been working for both They've been both, you know, this is one of the high scoring offenses in the league. You can say what you want, Patrick.

No, working. And I love looking back at this 2020 video that we've shown a couple of times on Fantasy Live, like Naheem Hines, T.Y. Hilton, I think T.Y. Hilton, I think Trey Burton gets a reception coming up here next if you're watching us on YouTube where I'm glad he's back. You hear the way that Chuck Amato got him at NC State when the Titan Tigers missed out on this quarterback that they didn't want to play quarterback. The emotion there, he clearly loves the game. Maybe a little

too much. Hopefully, Phil stays healthy. He even said he was like, he was like happy to have a real press conference and that it wasn't in a Zoom. That's how he kicked it all off. He, he just loves ball. And I like the people are like, oh, they're, and he's given up five years. He's going to have to wait five more years of Hall of Fame. But you think Philip Rivers cares about it.

He's like, I just love ball, man. He just, he wants to be out there so bad. I love this game. and all of this we couldn't have invented a madlib such as this right and this really will be a game for everybody it will be a game for the emotional poets of the world who are going in and watching philip rivers and it's basically all heart and desperation to save the indianapolis cold season going up against the one of the most well-built complete aggressive incredible complete football teams in the NFL that we've seen in a while in the Seattle Seahawks.

And so it's like when an audacious force meets an immovable object, right? And I cannot wait for them. I'm going to be real. I'd rather be against the Titans. I know. I want to ease them in. Give me like a Titans saints. We'll throw the Jaguars in for some fun, maybe and then build up to the Seahawks at the end.

But with Philip Rivers, he probably wouldn't want it any other way, Greg. But he might change his tune again. he'd want like a game against the Giants on Monday night where Eli is calling the game and he can make his a Hall of Fame case because like wait in five years to give one speech is one thing but we we're going to see him for the next three weeks we get a whole lot of Philips and a chance to remember well yeah the problem is yeah yeah I know that I got 11 years until I'm 44 I don't even want to know what my body's going to feel like then I I follow Theo Ash on on Twitter and he pointed out just the ages of

some notable NFL players that are 44, like former ones, like Wes Welker is 44 years old. He also was pointed out this week, Todd Gurley is 31 years old. If you're just thinking of the comparison, I hate it. I hate that it's this matchup because the rest of the cults are not playing well right now. It should be pointed out. You know how many quarterback hits and sacks combined they had last week? Zero. You know how much like Jonathan Taylor has done in the last couple of weeks?

Not a lot for Jonathan Taylor. Like the offensive line in general has given up a lot of pressure up the middle lately. The last two weeks on offense, actually really on the line play for both sides, has been a little concerning. And now you've got a team in Seattle that's healthier than they've been all season. They got Julian Love back last week at safety. They got Duran Reid back last week to add to that defensive line mix. It's just, it's a tough one.

And shout out to defensive rookie of your candidate, Nick, I'm in Worry, because first of all, he doesn't come off the field. And when you have to, what quite obviously will be, lean on a lot of scheme and a lot of, you know, attempting to force mismatches for Phillip Rivers, the Phillip Rivers at 44 years old off of the high school football field sideline does not have to come in and play as much hero ball in this first one out. Nickyman Worry is a personnel neutralizer. And I remember sitting back here a year ago, Greg, we were talking with Nate Tice about what the future of some of these defenses will look like and the future of what. defense is having another advantage again against offenses will look like. And Nick Eamon Worry is that player. And all of this to say, Nick Eamon Worry is also 21 years old, which makes him over one Nick Eam and Worry younger than the 44 year old, Philip Rivers. And in fact, Nick Eamon Worry was born on February 7, 2004, just a few weeks before Philip Rivers was drafted by the New York

Giants and then traded to San Diego for Eli Manning. And it makes me feel a certain. And I think multiple years after Philip Rivers' first born came into this world, because he was a father when he got drunk. Yes. And he will, if he plays, he will be a grandfather

that is playing in another river's number, which is of course 17, which was Daniel Jones's number, which Philip Rivers is now going to wear if he gets into this game. It's also been 17 years since he played in the ASC championship game on a torn ACL. his 44 is not your 44 if you're like a on the pickleball circuit or Greg's if you're playing a real sport like tennis.

Hey now. His 44 is a little bit different because he's been getting smashed by people. So good luck to Philip Rivers and the Indianapolis. I love that this next game is announced by Drew Brees, the man that he replaced in New Orleans. And Eric asks, what's the first play you want to see the Colts run on Sunday? like a classic I mean, it's just simple.

It's a straight drop back and it's him with that intermediate throw over the middle that like Aaron Rogers isn't making that throw ever but that's that is the typical Billip Rivers

timing throw. It's probably to Michael Pittman for about 18 yards. And we can basically guarantee that Rivers will have a snap with the Colts down six in the fourth quarter with 43 seconds ago.

Just cover the 14. I'm taking that as a victory. Can you guys imagine being Brett Rippin over the years? And some of these teams have completely altered their franchises at the looming threat of Brett Rippin. And I love that guy. He's very nice. But can you imagine?

He's probably self-aware enough to be excited. He's getting an active roster check this week. Yeah. And that's what he gets for a throttling of Troy University back when he was playing for the Broncos. The Tennessee Titans. fresh off of lighting up the Browns defense in week 14 going on the road at

the San Francisco 49ers. It is the aforementioned Drew Breeze and Adam Amean on a call. The Niners are favored by 12 and a half points. Clearly, Greg, the Titans didn't move the needle that much last week. Do you feel that that number is a bit too much? No, because I think the 49ers offense coming off a week off,

weirdly healthier right now than they have been all season, not just because they had the buy. They were actually healthier in that week before they got the buy against Cleveland on both sides of the ball than they really had been all year. And you're not getting Fred Warner and Nick Bosa back, but this defense is playing with a lot of aggression. You're getting production out of Cleveland Farrell, getting production out of Kean White. And it's not about, that number's not about the defense. It's about the offense ready to turn into a wagon against a team that's not complete. And I thought Purdy played great in that Browns game.

That one really rewarded a rewatch because the numbers don't pop out. And he had five or six, just classic sort of very difficult, purdy anticipation throws throughout that game. Made a couple great plays, had a couple great decisions where he just avoided making the big mistake. And it just made me feel better about what's to come. And I think what's to come here is a top eight offense the rest of the way. So I think they'll put it on the tight. Yeah, this is the game we actually wish we could give to Philip Rivers to. to onboard up because this is exactly the type of game.

And I don't want to demean that the Titans, they are going to go through a massive organizational change here in the next couple of months. And so it is what it is at this point. But the 49ers basically have to take this game and use it as the windup for the rest of their sprint. And their season, the remaining schedule, gets really, really fun for us.

They get the Colts, we hope, with an intact Phillip Rivers. Monday night football. They get the bears with NFC stakes that will be significant by that point. And then they get the Seahawks to close the season. And that will probably have massive playoff implications due to the fact that the Seahawks lost to the 49ers early in the year. And Seattle also has the Rams one more time and already lost to the Rams once. So this is going to be an absolute like launching or should be. They should use it as this and attack as such a launch point to really barrel head first into the rest of their schedule.

people sleep and I think on the 49ers as a real deal team if they were in the a FC I would consider them a Super Bowl contending I don't quite in the NFC do you think that's too what a SC division are the 49ers going in I just I want to play this hypothetical all the way out so let's trade let's trade like the Chargers for the 49ers sure that's a good one yeah they're actually right around like if you kind of look where they are for instance in like DVOA they're like ahead of the chargers the Patriots like the bucks they're right next to the Eagles like that all sounds about right to me I think that's where they're at.

The problem is, yeah, they're with the Rams, Seahawks, Packers. I think it's going to be tough to get through that tournament. So I'm putting them, sure, put them in the AFC West as a wild card. I think they could win that tournament. Yeah. And they get an opportunity for a layup, you know, before that tournament, you know, in the stretch run where if you just watch the one game, if you just watched the one game, you saw Cam Ward and Tony Pollard and this Titans offense, like you start to believe. Yeah. They limit Miles Garrett to one sack.

And I'm wondering if the offensive, you know, if the game plan was built around that. And it led to the best offensive output for the Tennessee Titans who not just have the chance to win the first two-game win streak this season. This would be the first two-game win streak for the Titans since 2022. Holy cow. So, Cam, it's not you. This is franchise related.

That's how they were in the position to draft you. Burrell, you're in danger. but hey the past rush of the 49ers is it's not even the browns that's almost as impressive or in the wrong way as the lions I think haven't lost how many two straight in three years something like that that is horrifying what a what a sad franchise before we move from this game I did want to just mention the news because we never hit it on the show

the reports that Brandon Ayuk are is not expected to play this season and it sounds like he's just going to be on the trade block this off season that the relationship there's been a lot of reporting out there locally athletic everything is maybe beyond repair and weird statements publicly and just that would wrap up

one of the strangest contract negotiation extension situations of all time that they didn't like each other we've been over it before like that there was a lot of consternation they gave him the contract then he gets hurt and never ends up playing and they never made that trade so he'll be

an interesting person to track this off season because I think there'll be plenty of trade interesting. DJ more to the 49ers. It's an interesting trade. Swap them. How different things could have been if they had blocked it correctly in the final drive of the Super Bowl

and got Brandon Ayuk who was wide open and then maybe offered them a deal or maybe an invite to Christian McCaffrey's wedding. We're just taking that offer from the Steelers when they thought they were getting a... Or maybe Kyle Shanahan just is surfing that morning and doesn't march into John Lynch's office and say we actually have to get this done even though you guys want to

train him. So many what ifs. The waves were probably good that day, Kyle. What ifs for fans of a team in purple in the AFC because on Monday night football, the Miami Dolphins are on the road at the Pittsburgh Steelers, the high flying high-octane Steelers where Aaron Rogers is running all over folks and throwing deep passes for the first time in several weeks. The Steelers favored by three in this one.

The over-under is 42 and a half. It is Monday night. So it's Joe and Troy on the call. The path is a little more constricted, Jordan. But do the dolphins have a chance to win this game specifically on Monday night? I think Miami wins this game. And you guys know me. I hate making predictions.

It makes my skin crawl. But I do think that they win this game. This run game is all the way back. And Devani Chain is going to play, according to Mike McDaniel. And between offensive line coach, Butchbury, and tight ends coach John Embry, who is a legend. If you know, you know, they have really got that entire collective between offensive linemen tight ends and running backs cooking in a way that is what we had hoped.

This is what we were promised with Mike McDaniel when he first came into the league. It is their blocking combinations. It is some of the personnel decisions that they've made. Aaron Brewer at center really making the entire engine run up front and doing so without regard for human life on the other side. And this, the combination at tight end of Darren Waller and Greg Dulcett, it works so well because both of these guys can do so many different things. And Mike McDaniel is not just using them in the intermediate. He's using them on a bunch of different types of leverage blocking.

He's using them to create explosive plays, whether for those players or for other players. And that is still where the Steelers, as, you know, as well as they can play when their defense plays well, they have still been. quite explosive to the explosive, quite susceptible to the explosive play, in particular, particularly against a team that uses a lot of interesting blocking structure and pre-snap misdirection. I think there, don't, I really said that cleanly. It was, it was great. I didn't spit, so.

It was as effective as the Steelers defense against explosive plays. Wow. No. I, I think they're second to, Last, you said you liked it, you know, when the inner mask comes out. I think they're second worst in the league behind the Raiders. And they are bad. The matchup is bad for the Steelers.

And he's putting out just like, I don't even know what's going on on these running plays, but a lot's going on. He's getting fancy with it. I don't trust them. I don't trust the Steelers either, especially in a game like they're quote unquote supposed to win as a slight favorite. But they've won four straight games in maybe the worst month. of Tuatung of Iloa's career. It's kind of amazing to me how poorly Tuaua is playing overall. And that's just expected. And he's actually not getting any grief for it. He's been a good

quarterback since Mike McDaniel got there in terms of when he's on the field and efficient. Obviously, like there's some weaknesses to his game. And they're not that now. And they've had two really great games out of the division. I mean, in the division, they also had two games where it came down the last play against, like, the Saints and the Commander. So I don't, I don't trust them overall, but they're, they're getting closer to being like a relatively complete average team because the defense is solid. The running game is legit good. If Tua starts playing better, Patrick, I don't think they can win out.

There's a reason they have a less than 1% chance to make the playoffs and the chiefs actually have like a 12 to 15 with the exact same record. The schedule doesn't help and the team has its problems. But if Tua could just play better, they are, they are quite dangerous. Yeah, significantly. I would say in this game, like, if you get a good to a game, you tell me you get a quality to a lot of game, like one of his best of 2025, I'm with Jordan.

I've got the Miami Dolphins, my inherent biases against the, you know, the Steelers in this situation, notwithstanding, just because of the way that they've had improvement and the places that they've needed to. I understand the schedule is a big part of the 2025 season, but we talked about Jonas Savinaia, right, at guard, the rookie guard, and having all those difficulties. his improvement has coincided with the improvement in the run game

and the way that Mike McDaniel is able to reshape the line of scrimmage, kind of choose where the line of scrimmage is ultimately going to be on the field and any given play where Devon A. Chan gets a chance to have these on-field punt returns going, like taking advantage of defenses that can be a little aggressive. And that's this Pittsburgh Steelers group where they were releasing guys to grass last week looking like they did at the start of the season and the one game

Rogers blip that's a one game Rogers blip maybe that's against the team I mean I would tend to agree I would no pass rush whatsoever in that game against the Steelers oh I don't think it was about

like the lack of pass rush or not he just was on one it reminded me a little bit like I've heard like Serena Williams talk about this or Federer like when you're an all time great and you hit your 40s or whatever like sometimes you do just have it for a day but you just don't like sometimes you show up and it's just not there for you and he

had it he he was outstanding in that game if he plays like that they were not high percentage throws but he was on one then their upside is is high i tend to agree that it's a one game blip but got it like i'm curious to watch them play offensive football this week after that performance by him than i was before that's for sure maybe he can back it okay great's excited i'm not excited Arthur Smith and Aaron Rogers. I'm not a Monday night football. Arthur Smith wishes he was moving gaps around like this run game in Miami's doing. Did you guys see the play where there were three skill players, including tight ends,

lined up in a stack next to the quarterback with the running back on the other side, and then there was a motion. So not only with the motion, he's changing the gap, I love what you said about reshaping the line of scrimmage, Patrick, because not only does the motion change the gap that the running back is supposed to run through to a different one for the defense, but then you don't know what it's actually going to be, because all three of those players are splitting off

in different directions. And one of them's getting the ball. And I just, I squealed. I made noises. Loves ball. Loves ball. Back to being an offensive genius when it works. But when it doesn't,

it can get a little. I always believe. Talk about up and down changes. There's the quantum superposition that is the Carolina Panthers. They can be great. They cannot be. One of those teams they have not been great

against Greg is the New Orleans. Saints. They are two and a half point favorites on the road against the quarterback rushing machine. Like, it was Cameron Jarrell Newton, aka Tyler Shuck against the Bucks on Sunday. The over under is 40 and a half, Jason Benetti, and RG3

on the call in this one. What? Which version of the Panthers do we get, Greg? That's new. We get the version that should win a game. You can't get swept by the same. That's just unserious. And still be in the playoff mix, because they

would be, whether they win this game or not, this is kind of where it gets real, that, okay, you're hitting the stretch run, you're hitting games that you have to win, that you are expected to win against the Saints because, yeah, getting swept by them would be a little bit embarrassing. After this game, and they can't look ahead of this game, obviously, but after this game, they've got Bucks, C, Hucks, and all of them will have playoff implications. So you better put your best foot forward and your best tape out in this game regardless. Right. If you lose this game, they might not all have

a playoff implication. You might be done by Week 18. I'll put you guys on a theory because folks have wondered, what is this about these Carolina Panthers? I think what if it's game plan related? What if when there's this opponent that doesn't see a lot of Carolina Panthers, Dave Canales going

in to the tape room, looking at the specific aspects where you can attack defenses on specific plays? There's the miced up clip of Rico Dowell. knowing exactly where the rush and the defenders in the zone were going to be and taking a screen to the house where they go up against the Saints team where there's not going to be a surprises.

Both franchises intimately aware of others' personnel. You say he's bored. I just think maybe sometimes Dave and Alice Greig likes to spice it up. He needs a project. Maybe it's not all player-related. Maybe this is the head coach and play caller. Sometimes needing a little bit of a chain. I do think they just have like a slimmer path to the way they win.

It's like it's a lot of running on downs where you don't expect them to run, which is I think great. You got to pull that off. Like you've got to hit your third and four runs. I'm always surprised by them running in those situations. And yeah, it didn't work. And if you're only counting on Bryce lately to just hit these big plays, but you're only throwing the ball 20 to 25 plays.

Like those plays change the game. And he hits two long fourth downs on the last one. Yeah, I'm curious. It is a good test for Canales's adjustments. I mean, you lose by 10 points to Tyler Shuck a couple weeks ago. And you're playing a defense that I know you, Jordan, have noticed statistically, is now, you know, solidly in the middle of the NFL, maybe even like a little better than the middle of the NFL when you add up all the numbers. And I went to check because I was like, okay, is this just like a schedule thing? Actually, no.

they've played a very difficult schedule of offenses. If anything, it's more impressive that they're a little better than average in general. So the stay liaison's much delayed. It's happening. Well, you know, I've been noticing this. I know our friends over at the Saints Block Party have also been noticing this improvement. Yeah, they're in terms, they're right at the middle, essentially a little bit higher than the middle in terms of points per game, in terms of yards per game, in terms of opponent third down

conversion rate. I know we all saw the graphic on the broadcast. I think that there's something there. And when you have that improvement and you're lifting the floor of one side of the football, right? And then you're also getting this like glimmer of hope with the quarterback play. This team can be dangerous.

And that's why I love that the Panthers get their biweek when they did, right? I love that because this is when we're going to really see, okay, Dave Canales, like what are your biweek adjustments? When you know the stakes, you're in the race, man. Like, you know the stakes are so high. Like, it's time to show your work. And Bryce Young, if he could play even a little less than how well he played in that Rams game, they will be fine.

And just for some context, they lost to the Saints. It was longer ago than I remembered. It was November 9th. It was week 10. The Saints doubled them up in total yardage plus. It was 388 to 175. It was watching it as big of a blowout as a. 17-7 game can be. The Saints offense

obviously has its limitations. Like they weren't going to put on a lot of points, but they controlled that game. So revenge time. Show us something. And that was in Charlotte as well. And I'm reminded of the early, I think it was week one last year before the benching, before the Dalton conversation and all that, where Bryce and the offense looked miserable, miserable in New Orleans and the Superdome. It's revenge

against that as well. And- The vibes revenge game. And the vibes probably will be bad in New Orleans. I have an eye on how many people are going to be in the crowd for these final few Saints games. They have created through terrible management, apathy among one of the best fan bases in the entire NFL. The Pelicans fan base, it's like another level. They're literally allowing people to go free to games and it's half empty. But I think the Benson family might notice that.

And so these games are big. I believe, because you get blown out at home a couple times with empty fans. Like, that catches the attention. Empty fans. I like how you said that because you meant empty seats, but empty fans is probably how they're feeling. Yeah, that's it. It's poetic.

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