NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 NFL Week 16 Saturday and Early GamesPreivew

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview the Week 16 Saturday and early window action across the NFL starting with Eagles at Commanders and Packers at Bears (08:55) on Saturday followed by Chargers at Cowboys (17:05), Buccaneers at Panthers (27:11), Bills at Browns (37:11), Bengals at Dolphins (42:15), Vikings at Giants (48:07), Jets at Saints (53:30), and Chiefs at Titans (57:40). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a little Saturday football. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesseling podcast. podcast studio with my friends, Patrick Claibon, and Jordan Rodrigue for the week 16 preview. And yes, the first of two weeks where we got the Saturday games are back. That's how you know Christmas is close. Yeah. It's that you're in the stretch.

You're in the stretch run, Greg. And the Saturday games, big part. It's like right when you don't have time necessarily on Saturdays, but it's nice. This first game that we'll talk about, it's actually opposite Tulane's first ever. college football playoff game. So my attention will be divided. But we're not going to be recapping those still Sunday. So I have a lot of time to get that.

This is a big Greg weekend. This really is. And it'll be perfectly fine, Greg, for you to not second, not just second screen, but devote your full attention to the wave, to the wave, roll wave, obviously, in the college football playoffs. But in the professional ranks, the Philadelphia Eagles are six and a half point favorites at the Washington commanders. The over under is 44.

and a half. It's Joe Davis and Greg on the call where the commanders have not seen things go great. The defense. Marcus and company got a win last week and the Eagles bounced back. How big do they continue that bounce this week, Greg? I think it continues to be significant. The commanders are one of 13 teams eliminated. I meant to set that up at the top. Like we're going into the last three weeks. There's only 19 teams that have a chance to still win the Super Bowl. and it will be down to 18 at the end of this game when the Eagles win because that will eliminate the Dallas Cowboys. There's very few elimination scenarios I saw this week.

In fact, I think that's the only one somehow that the Cowboys are the only other team that's going to be eliminated. There's not a lot of reason to believe that the commander's defense can hold up. I guess the main one would be that what we saw last week out of Philadelphia, where it's a lot of under center for Jalen Hertz, doesn't carry over facing a non-rater's competition. Yeah, well, we, I liked, I mean, it's hard not to like what you saw against the Raiders at any point during this year for any team. But I liked what Philadelphia was doing.

Like we talked about more play action for Jalen Hertz. You saw this offense and Kevin Petula and probably Nick Siriani, who said a couple weeks ago he's got a little bit more involved in the defense in the offense as well. Trying stuff. That was a team to try stuff against. That was a game to try stuff that you need to install into your game plan. ahead of the stretch run, stretch run. And that was what we saw. And I expect to see that as well against the commanders who, you know,

as well as I think Marcus Marriota has played in relief of Jaden Daniels. This defense just can't, it just can't hold up. And there's no reason to expect it to. I have a great stat from our friend Bo Wolf on the all-PHLY podcast. The three games in which Jalen Hertz has been under center the most. and yes, that last week, percentage-wise, was the most all season. Are their three highest EPA per play performances of the season? That feels like a correlation.

And I think most of it is actually the passing game. It should open up a lot more diversity in terms of the running game. The running game last week still wasn't like amazing. And I think that's what's really keeping the ceiling lower. But anything that can help Jalen Hertz in the passing game out where you have these great players is a great thing. So I think this is an important step to, like, keep checking these boxes as they get to the playoff. Yeah, it was a falloff for Sequin's big 28 rush yards, over-expected game against the Chargers.

Went down to five, but it was still in the positive. Okay. Where Seqwan had spent a good portion of 2025 in the negative there. And I feel like a lot of that is similar because there was only two targets for DeVantza Smith in that, let's not bash our head against the wall against the Las Vegas Raiders. We're in the stretch run. We've secured this lead against the. woeful team with our former backup quarterback playing against us in this one. And so, yeah, the Eagles are a team that, you know, can vary the effort against the team like

the Raiders. And honestly, consider the way the commander's season is going, I think they can do that again. They're just dangerous enough playing them twice in three weeks. It's a great coaching test. If we think that the offensive coaching staff of the Eagles is really poor, like if you're playing a team twice in three weeks, I do think that's a chance for if one of the teams is really well coached to find a solution in one of the. those two games. I'd like to see Jalen Hertz run the way that he did too last week. That was his highest

rushing yards since week four against Tampa Bay. And it was only 40 yards, but it made a big difference. He set them up in key scoring position multiple times. So he's making smart decisions. And frankly, I can't believe I'm uttering the sentence because of everything we know that Saquan Berkeley accomplished last year. But it takes the pressure a little bit off of Saquan Berkeley when you have that threat a little bit more dimension in ways that teams just really weren't. scared of earlier, especially when they weren't under center as much. You know what's having a good year? The old football outsiders

slash prospectus curse of 375. This was a big deal in the fantasy community back in the aughts in the early 2010s. Once you go over 375 carries or touches for a season, the next season the running backs traditionally fall off significantly. And this year Derek Henry and Sequin Barkley.

I mean, look at their offensive lines though, too. I mean, like, the Eagles, offensive line is also not what it was last year. Yeah, I think neither are the rate. 375, the big two, for me, correlation and causation. Sometimes they get in fights in people's heads.

It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. You know who didn't have a lot of work last week? I like looking at, like, the snap counts and sometimes, like, the Eagles defense barely played against the Raiders, so they're fresh. Like, you know, I mean it. I actually think in a short week,

it should be a pretty significant difference So one defense played about 35 snaps last week and the other played 65 or 70. That's a nice little edge for the Eagles who like to keep their defensive starters on the field. They're not doing a lot of rotating. But it felt like they were rotating last week because they barely played. And I have to say, I don't think we're talking enough about the season that Cooper DeGine is having. I think especially if you go, we've talked about this before, the way that he attacks space and the way that he suffocates the air around.

receivers around tight ends, you could play them in any matchup. And what was cool about last week, and yes, it was the Raiders, caveat, caveat. But what was really cool about last week is that if they flipped the, if they tried to flip the matchup and attack a different part of the field, Quinn and Jan Mitchell is right there, breaking up passes and making plays. I think that this defense is also regathering itself, regrouping after a little bit of a murky middle there. If you've noticed a lack of commander stock here, it's because I feel like the most

pointless theme in the NFL right. because there's worse teams but they're the most pointless because they're just playing out the string with, and I went and check this, one of the oldest teams, not just they're by far the oldest team this year, but one of the oldest teams this century,

top five oldest teams this century. So it's just like so many of these guys won't be there, including like Debo, he's their leading receiver. He has 604 yards this year. I don't think he'll be there. Noah Brown, by the way, he's out for the season.

He barely played, but he got hurt last week. So it's like, what is there left to say about this thing? They've made the decision. for us, you know, shutting down Jaden Daniels, just in the way that they've been playing

as well. And also for the Eagles, before we go to our next game, Jalen Carter in those two losses, before he had procedures done on both of his shoulders, I think that was something that was a big factor in those losses, was Ceylon Carter playing hurt. And keep an eye on his practice

status this week as we get closer to that game, not because it's going to matter against the commanders, but as the season continues. You know what's big. It's Greg Olson in an island game. So I've been wishing for him to take over for Kirk on Thursday night football. That seems like a logical spot where we could just have Greg Olson in our lives in an island game. Here's Greg Olson in an island game.

Here we go, Gene. On a nice Saturday afternoon. I'm ready. Like, you feel like the evaluators need to see good stuff off the game? No, it's more, I think America, aka me. The Super Bowl wasn't enough. We could just enjoy a Greg Olson game without any distractions except for, uh, Tulane

beaten no lane in Oxford let's go no lane oh I got that oh that's so good that is a t-shirt being sold

that shout out to the campus connection over at Tulane this week oh I hear they've got a good staff over there they're great hopefully somebody's band

plays a classic ludicrous hit Green Bay at Chicago the over under is 46 and a half Green Bay favored by one and a half Christian Watson

limited in practice Like on the practice field, we're considering the way that that injury happened, concerned about that. But congratulations to the Green Bay Packers. Kevin Burkhart and Tom Brady on the call. It's another Saturday game. 8.20 p.m. Eastern.

So Greg should be well lubricated and celebrating a wave win, Jordan. Do the Bears get revenge from a couple weeks ago? Man, I'm so excited for this game. Because I do think the Bears have a real shot at this. This is going to be tough, though, because I just think that the Packers, regardless, they're missing so many players.

A banged up Christian Watson sounds like he's going to play reading some of the reports coming out of Green Bay. And then also Josh Jacobs is banged up. He had a monster game last week, but he is playing through some stuff. And so that's certainly a factor here. But I love the way the Bears are playing. I think both of these teams are so well coached

and have really had to relearn in different ways their identities at various points of the season. a lot of that has come through, showed through in the coaching. So this is going to be really fun. I do think the bears have a real shot at this one. Yeah, they get them twice in such a short order, and yet it's such a different Packers team. Obviously, without Parsons, who can step up?

It's a lot of these draft picks that, you know, they would like to get more out of him. Lucas Van Ness. Inigbari, who's a good player, but like, are you going to get one-on-one pass rush wins? Rishon Gary, who's quietly had a pretty, quiet year, considering he's got Michael Parsons on his team. He's not a recent draft pick, but a guy they pay a lot of money to. So it's those guys needing to step up.

And I think it's a, it's a big Lafleur moment. Yeah. I mean, this is... Island Lafleur moment. Well, you just think about it. It's year three with Jordan Love. It's year seven of Lafleur. They've kind of been building. The lions are kind of out of the way right now in the division. And yet you're going to have to come up with some great stuff because Jacobs, I expect to play. He didn't practice Wednesday, but he was amazing last week. You would expect him to play. But Zach Tom's out of practice.

And I think there's an argument, maybe not against the Bears, but there's an argument that Zach Tom is almost as big an injury as Parsons just because of the way it makes that offensive line shake up and maybe like two, three positions are now going to be worse on the offensive line if you're without Zach Tom. So there's a lot of like holes to plug for Lafleur against this Dennis Allen defense. Your guy, you got to give some love to DA. Oh, yeah, you know me.

My big DA's, no, but they're doing well with what they got. They are. And, you know, we've seen this team continue with trend of being able to force and create those turnovers. And, you know, if you look at last week, like the Johnson interception, where he just took the ball away

from Jerry Judy and like, oh, that's the Browns, doing weird stuff. No, the Bears have continued to do that for most of this run late in the season, where Michael Parsons was, The reason, ultimately, when we made our picks a couple of weeks ago that I went with the Green Bay Packers game, and also the fact that it was at home. Now that the roles are reversed in both of those situations, I think it's a Packers win. It was a great game.

The Bears win. I mean, excuse me, the Bears win, where a great game were able to run the ball. You wondered if they were going to be able to do that. And I think that, as you said, the cascading impact of what you're asking defenders to do, Sands Parsons, goes down to a spot where somebody gets uncomfortable. Ben Johnson, you know, the receiver of the brisk handshake that got a lot of attention and discussion and there's fun coach beef here is going to be able to exploit that. Oh, yeah. This is a micro revenge game for Ben Johnson who talked a big game in the opening press

conference and then lost to Matt LaFleur. And I think that to your point, Patrick, whoever runs the ball better and I do think it will be the Chicago Bears because of the way that they've been running the ball behind DeAndre Swift and Kyle Menung Guy, Kyle Menung Dude, as those who know, no. This offensive line in Chicago is freaking mashing people. Like, they're mashing people. Like, I'm seeing a version of Jonah Jackson out there that I never thought I would see again. Like, they are obliterating the line of scrimmage, and it's fantastic.

And it's something that... Including the Packers in the second half of that game. It is something that is quite a statement for them to make this year. And Caleb Williams has been talking about how he's... He's nicknamed the offensive lineman as characters of the Avengers. Now, I'm not very cool, so I only know like two of these, but I'm going to read them to you. Here's what Caleb, this is courtesy of Zach Pearson, what Caleb Williams calls each player on the offensive line from the Avengers.

Ozzie Trappilo is Wolverine. Joe Tooney is Dr. Strange. Drew Dalman is the Hulk. Jonah Jackson is the Red Hulk. Darnell Wright is Bucky. And he said he calls Darnell Wright Bucky because he wears that. massive brace on his arm, which is a reference that I understood. And if you want to get, if folks want to get itchy with Caleb on those, there are,

there are some situations where, you know, Wolverine and Red Hulk are affiliated with the Avengers as, you know, we had new Avengers and, you know, which one was Harrison Ford? Harrison Ford was the Red Hulk. Okay, got it. So you're saying it's a bit of a stretch. No, well, his accuracy here is, is like it is on the field. Sometimes great, but every once in a while, it's 10 yards over guys head. They're all Marvel characters.

So that could have been the confusion, you know. But yeah, Caleb's fine. And an actual Michigan Wolverine being a Wolverine makes sense. So he's played. Yeah, I was going to say, I think the dot connecting there wasn't too big of a list. I like that one. And I liked how he played last week against the Browns where, look, that's defense is as tough of a matchup as the one he had the week before against the Packers defense with Michael Parsons. And he made really quick decisions.

I think the first half of that game was as. clean as amazing as a half that he's played as a as a pro and he still was very good in the second and it makes me think like he is a cold weather quarterback you know you can't you can't get the weather out some guys they don't look like a cold weather quarterback Caleb and Jordan love for that matter those are two cold weather quarterback the weather's not going to enjoy the aerial attack in this game is what I'm trying to say it feels like does that just mean guys that can throw the ball hard probably yeah yeah they if it feels like a rock when you catch it.

They had a career high too and play action last week and he avoided taking sacks and... Play great last week. Actually, no, I'm thinking of the Packers game. He had a career high in the play action against the Packers.

So, you know, they'll always look to do something. They're a second half running team. They've just been so effective. 62% success rate against the Packers last time. There are a lot of logical points kind of pointing towards Chicago splitting it. And in general, when two teams are relatively even, and I expect the split in a tight series.

And yet, I just, there is something about me that believes in, like, the Packers have, like, been together a long time and maybe we'll find a way to win this game anyways. Ben Johnson may avenge. Oh, there it is. Instead of a revenge game, maybe. And that's what they do.

No. Thank you, Caleb, for the riding fodder. Yes. No Roman Dunzee or Luther Burton at practice on Wednesday. Now, it's a Saturday game. So considering that burden He was in and out of that game I thought he finished it.

Maybe he didn't finish it. So that is something to watch and O'Dunze has been out. So that would not be the same Bears team that you want. But you mentioned the turnovers. They are plus 20 in terms of turnover. There's only one other team.

It's the Jaguars who I think six behind them. That's even more than plus 10. So not only are they, you know, not turning the ball over and doing it. Like they're doing it at a level that no team in the NFL is even close to. Yeah. which could make the variance pretty high.

We go back to that Dan Quinn Cowboys team a few years ago. It's time for an update on one of my favorite things that I'm tracking here this 2025 season. As we discuss the Los Angeles Chargers at the Dallas Cowboys who are favored by two and a half, the over under is 49 and a half. Adam Ameen on the call, along with Drew Brees, Greg Rosenthal.

Greg, how do you feel things are going? I know you had some coaching up for Bruce. How's Drew Brees doing? I can't say I was locked in. He had the 49ers game last week. It was on game pass. You don't get a full feel. So I'll look into that this week.

I want to watch that. I feel like it's been getting a little better. Okay. A little more energy. Right. A little more energy, a little better. What do you think about the football game here? Nothing.

The Cowboys somehow favored. They can't stop anybody, Craig. No, I really am into the, the Drew Brees of it all, because he's just kind of slid in here in the mid, like, late season. He's a sudden change situation. Yeah. He is like Tommy DeVito in the backups ad except... Oh, this is a...

Yeah. This is a fall off from the circumstance. Yeah. No. Well, yeah. That's... The cascading impact of the circumstance. The ripple effect, some would say.

Yeah. Not as light as those backup quarterback commercials. Mark Sanchez got booted. Well, workshop. We'll workshop. It came in. I'm shocked that the Cowboys are favored. I know you don't like talking about...

the line, and it's there to inspire, you know, people to spend their money. I don't mind talking about it. I get that. He's so in your head. But in two and a half at home is kind of the classic, we don't know what to do with this game type of line, which is fair. But, man, don't you, don't you got to give the Chargers a little bit of love? I think what's underlying the numbers here is that the Chargers maybe have been winning

in ways that are not necessarily repeatable. But I would push back on that because I think the defense of the Chargers is the most repeatable group in this game right now. I actually trust them more than the Cowboys offense. Yeah, they're rushing the passer. Odafe Owe was the missing piece as well as getting Cleo Mac, obviously, back from injured reserve and 2E2-8-2 having a great season. This statistic is courtesy of my colleague at the athletic, Daniel Popper, who hunted this up for us today in his great story over on that site. they when those three are on the field together they are getting pressure at a 55% rate the league average is around 36 so when those three are on the field rushing together getting pressure it is an incredible difference that this is made and it allows jessi minter truly and you can see it come to life on the field to play the coverage structures behind a pass rush like that that he wants to play and odafei always has seven sacks in nine games he really was i guess the damashec jenga piece for this defense to help bring what they really want to do to life.

And the crazy part, and this is courtesy of the Guiltiest Charge podcast, they had to know, I really like what they're doing. And O.A is basically rushing on the interior. And last week, they really scrambled Mahomes. And I went back to watch it after I heard them pointed out. They just rushed three, like most of the big passing downs, OA on the inside, the other two on the outside. And they created a ton of pressure.

It's so rad, dude. I mean, you can't do that type of stuff every week. But the three of them, in terms of their pressure rate, they are, you know, three of the top 20 edges, if you count OA as an edge in the NFL in terms of like QB hits and big play rate. And so that is a great combo. And it's taken, no offense to Bud Dupree, him off the field. So then it's, it's just been a big upgrade. And Mac, as great as OA is, Mac is kind of the key because rewatching that game. My God.

Yeah. Stuffing the run. He might be the best run stuffing edge. in the league, in addition to what he's doing. That dude's ageless, obviously, like, a Hall of Famer. But it does remind me a little bit of, like, Kurt Warner with the Cardinals, where it's just like, man, he's just making sure he's a Hall of Famer

with this Chargers streak later in his career. You know what I mean? It's just like, it's another whole chapter of an incredible career. There will be no need to come back at 44 years old to play for the Raiders or the Bears. It's like, yeah, Khalil Mack will be in and good. And I just wish, you know, prior to the completion of the trade, if little brother had told big brother,

hey, we plan on rushing him on the inside. Have you guys thought about doing that? Before, like, you know, the numbers go through the roof and Addafe O'A is the best defensive pass rusher in the history of the NFL after the trade. It's fair. They're basically not making him do stuff he's bad at. I know.

What a concept. And I love that. And I'm not trying, like, please listen. I'm not trying to mansplain the listener. But think about when you're rushing three, right? Think about that's eight people behind them that you can put a quite the cap over the back of this defense. And that's part of the reason they're getting some of the takeaways that they're getting and they're able to confuse these quarterbacks. I love what you

said early about winning in unconventional ways and leaning on this defense with so many injuries. And obviously Justin Herbert's been amazing, but like so many injuries along that offensive front, leaning on what is like a, like a stability factor that happens to be incredibly decisive and really influence a game in significant ways. It's not just like a stable piece of the equation that is maybe hidden, like a kicking game, which is great, or something like that. No, this actually affects the outcomes of these games. And it's really been great since the by week, especially.

Now, this will be the best offense they've faced since the by week. So I'm looking forward to it. And you do get the full Cowboys, you know, arsenal that you're going against, except the offensive line is a little bit. banged up. I went into the season talking about. I thought this was the biggest boomer bust offensive line. They've had great moments. They've had bad moments. They're definitely not playing their best right now.

They're so hurt. And they're injured. And we don't have all the Tyler's available. Let's hear from Shottie, your guy, talking about Dak Prescott's availability down the stretch. Joe Milton, if you guys are eliminated, is there at any point where you'd want to see him play? I want to win. So, a plan would be to play deck. yeah i i never understand i mean i i guess i understand the question but why would you sit

jack prescott or or any starting quarterback it always seems like a strange strange idea to me yeah i just wonder if you're joe milton how do you feel because you got directly invoked there yeah it's like well we're not going to win with joe milton took a little side swipe took a little side swike took a little side why am i in it oh my my concern for for dallas is ever since that first half like our george Pickens went up for a catch against the Detroit Lions, came down hard, has been listed with knee injuries since, and the performance has fallen off, and of course, CD playing through all the different things. Like, that's the Cowboys superpower.

And, you know, with Bland, like, to a certain extent, you look at a particular rep of the Cowboys' defense, and everybody is coming back from a major surgery. And, like, they can't cover, they can't rush the passer. and like I know that the Greg Roman of it all and the Chargers we're concerned about the offense guys are going to be open Lad's going to be running by himself we'll see I mean the last two weeks it's been rough the Greg Roman he has not beaten the allegations that he had in Baltimore

there like there just weren't guys there for Herbert I actually thought the offensive line played pretty well last week for the Chargers that wasn't necessarily and it reminded me of the game I was at watching in person where I could see it none of those receivers who are very talented were open And although they were often in the same area, you would think this week could be different because, yeah, they've struggled in Dallas.

And Quinn and Williams, this is a big absence, is in the concussion protocol and not at practice, meaning he's probably not playing Duran Bland, also not at practice. And Matt Eberfluse, I mean, for all the denisance commentary, Matt Eberfluse is quite under the microscope here. And Jerry Jones has even said that they're looking at everything, which is like the death now for anybody. on the staff and they're evaluating

over the last couple of games and you could see it. It might not matter that receivers are running the exact same routes and stacking on top of each other in confusing ways by Greg Roman because there's not a lot of people covering other people when you're

talking about the scheme of that of that Iber fluse defense right now. I have a little trivia for you before we take a break. And this game's interesting. I'm obviously taking the charges. I might have to take that on the picture. with Cynthia. I think you should.

Which the streak's still going, the greatest streak in sports. 11 straight winning week, 3 in 0 last week. There was a man playing for the Los Angeles Chargers last week. He played 43 snaps

that was very recently a member of the Baltimore Ravens and was once, I believe, atop my free agency rankings in a given off season. Can you name that man? I was stunned when I went and looked,

I was like, who is that number 31 on the field? I believe it was last week. All right. So the number, like, it's not Tony Jefferson. It was a different number on the Ravens. I believe he was 32 on the Ravens. This is great podcasting here.

A disappointment, I would say, with the Baltimore Ravens. He's playing for the Los Angeles Chargers right now. Oh, multiple of them. That's nice. Well, yeah, that's true. I looked it up, so I can't say, I shouldn't. Marcus Williams. I mean, maybe only I'm interested in this.

No. But former. Vergotti was still in the New Orleans. Saints great. I don't think he was. He wasn't in the league until last week when he played a full compliment of snaps for the Chargers. So they're just making it happen all over the roster. It's funny

and it's like it's either Tony Jefferson or Marks. I would have been here for a long time. I did not think Marcus was back. I didn't. I did not know that either but that's why they, that's why you watch I guess. All right, let's take a break. We'll come back on the other side for a game that's been

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like drive-by on the announcing crew, but Fox ranks the announcers. They, you know, they tell you before the season, what's our number five team? What's our number six team? I'm just going off of that. And they essentially assigned their number six team to the battle for the NFC South title. That's kind of crazy. So who are you saying is being disrespected here?

The game, the team. The NFC South. The Bucks and the Panthers deserve better. And you're saying that strictly based off the hierarchy. Yes. from Fox. Not necessarily your evaluation. Fox is telling you that the Vikings

Giants is a better game. Okay. Than that. Greg, sometimes you just walk right into it. Your Greg Heat Check Warren Commission here as we look forward to the game of the year in the NFC South, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers three point favorites in Charlotte against the

Carolina Panthers. The over under is 45 and a half. Chris Myers and Marks Lairth, who we love and appreciate, are on the call. Jordan. Yes. It was an annoying as predicted game for the Panthers against the Saints.

They lost, they lost the big opportunity. Do they get it back against Baker? This is quietly one of the best games of this slate. The stakes are so high for both of these teams. And I think the Panthers are so streaky in, like you mentioned, such an infuriating way where the teams that you may be, whether it's the line or, you know, us as an. or whatever that you would not expect them to beat, they dominate or at least come down to the wire and win at the last second. And then the teams that you would expect them to struggle

against, or excuse me, the teams that you would expect them to beat easily, they just don't. And this is one of those games where I think Tampa Bay has kind of shown a little bit of those streaky qualities too. So it's two teams that have just been unsteady against a variety of different types of opponents and schemes and game plans all season, or at least for Tampa Bay, the second half of the season, and now colliding in the ultimate back against the wall game. And, you know, I expect pure chaos. I mean, these teams are both seven and seven.

And I think it's fair to say neither of them are as good as their record. I mean, the bucks are two and five in their last seven games. The Panthers, yeah, in theory, you expect them to win, I guess, big against the Saints. But there was a reason, like, the line wasn't that big. they don't beat anyone big. They had that one falcons win, but everything else comes down to the wire. And the thing that concerns me the most about them is that they're a bad running team. Like, their whole identity was about running the football.

Since week 10, they are either 30th or 31st in EPA per rush or success rate. And that's where it was just one play that the game turned in New Orleans. And it was a simple play. It was not being able to pick up a fourth and one where the Saints. stuffed them. But the whole game changed then. And it was part of a running game they just haven't been able to rely on now for a while. I actually thought Bryce Young played very well in that game. Their offense actually played very well. There just wasn't many possessions until that fourth quarter, basically until that moment. But I think it's asking a lot for Bryce to have like a better than

average passing attack if the running game's not good and the defense is eh at best. Yeah, Rico Dowdell's taken a step back from the excitement earlier in the season. And, you know, this offensive line is still, to me, is still perfectly capable of being an above average group. And I think they're one of the more underrated groups in the league as a whole. The player that I really am interested in seeing continuing to emerge is Jalen Coker for Bryce Young because over the last couple of weeks, he's played fantastic. He obviously was injured. He started the bulk of the season dealing with an injury that he received during. at the very, very end right before the season actually began.

And where we thought Ted McMillan could was going to start lining up in all of the receiving spots because he had a couple of games that were highly productive doing so and there's a lot of excitement about it. Jalen Coker, sneaky is that guy. He's lining up wide 35% of the time per next gen. He's in the slot 60% of the time. And then, you know, obviously he can come out of the backfield, very rare occasion. And then lining up tight next to the condensed formation or close to the stack.

and he's giving the quarterback above a 100 passer rating at any alignment. And he's producing. He's getting open. And so for me, it's like, okay, does he now start to become somebody who can really affect this passing game in a way that I think we thought? And it's a rookie, it's a rookie season for T-Mack. There's no doubt coming from me on him. But Jalen Koker is the one who's really affecting defenses right now.

And I think it's a, you need Jailen Koker in this game, considering the way that Jamel Dean has played. and the side matchup between Dean and T-MAC, it's going to be a lot of Jamel Dean on T-Mack. And I want to pick the Carolina Panthers in this game. Obviously, like, I'm a huge Bryce supporter. There's no secret to anybody that listens to this podcast. But the Bryce numbers against the Blitz,

where you need to be able to play and have success offensively against the Blitz. And if the run game is bogged down, like Bryce's EPA dropback is negative 30 against the Blitz. Wow. uh this season that's five or more you know five and end up because you have to add in the heavy blitz numbers he's right there with uh shador and dylan gabro and also baker mayfield um where i i'm trusting the buck's defense a little bit more than the panthers defense although

tyler shucks getting people here here late i don't think it's as big as an indictment as it would have felt several weeks ago uh the way that they played on i know j c horn had a shot at one of those game-changing interceptions that just kind of glanced off his fingers. It was the Saints really limiting the opportunities. And that's what it's been like for the Panthers in these close games where it's like

it is that one fourth down. It is that a couple of opportunities because the defense is either getting the ball out and getting the offense back on the field or it's long, laborious drives over and over. I mentioned how bad they were running the ball.

They're equally bad stopping the run. So in terms of what football coaches back, certainly in the 70s and 80s, but they still talk about it. He's like, you want to run the ball? You want to stop the run. The Panthers are one of the worst teams in the NFL at doing that right now. That needs to turn around, but we don't know if the Buccaneers are really ready to be a team that takes advantage. Let's listen to Baker Mayfield this week because the expectations, they were different than where this team is at. And yet everything's still in front of them if they can get their act together.

The finger pointing is only happening if you have bad culture in the building, so that's not a problem we have to deal with. We met on Monday with the offense, and I told him what I said in the postgame press conference. I said it's on me, it's on this group. I expect us to be able to score more than 28 in the situation like that and put the game out of reach. So you should nip it in the butt in the beginning. The easy thing to do is point at the defense because of the situation is the last thing you see in the game. But if you look at the whole game, you look at the way it played, blame me. Don't blame, Todd.

A little recency bias commentary from Baker Mayfield. Look at the last thing you saw in the game. I will say, and I appreciate that he's doing that. The bucks have turned into from one of the best defenses in terms of success rate that they started the season with. They are very susceptible, especially to the explosive play. They've given up 111 explosive plays this season, and that's worse than like the Ravens, for example, or the Saints. And so where you can, some of the, like, bits and pieces look stable and some of the, like, little pieces that offenses take out of them look stable for most of the game. They have been for weeks highly susceptible to the explosive play.

I don't know what to think about this game. Zion McCollum, by the way, is out for the year. The Buck's cornerback who got a big contract and struggled all season. Didn't seem healthy, but was kind of picked on. like, Bucky Irving has not been the most effective running back on that team. Sean Tucker and Rashad White have been better on a per snap basis. It's a big offensive rookie of the year battle. If you look at T-MAC and Emeka-Abuka's stats, they're almost identical in every capacity.

I'm not saying they're even the only two candidates, but it's interesting they'll go against each other twice in the final three weeks. I'm feeling generous. It's the holiday season. Oh, I might just give this game to Jordan. I feel like you can enjoy. I'm going to get in the mud and love it. Myers and Schlerath on the call. No, I really want this game.

It's great, but it does feel like a big time Jordan game. And also, you know, speaking of... I look forward to what other games he gives me and then gives himself as a... You are sounding like you've got something plotted here. That Herber game. I want to watch Herb every week. And to circle back to how we started this segment of the podcast,

I believe it was Baker Mayfield in the schoolbook depository with the Cleveland Browns driving through Dealey Plaza when he talked about bad culture and a chance to pick up his team but also maybe send some rounds down the range. Also like a little bit of a humble brag it's like hey you got to score more than 28 points is like well 28 points per game

would be like the best offense in the NFL history or one of them. All I can do is put up 28 points and that's on me like okay. How about an offense that consistently scores 28 points? That's the Buffalo Bills who are favored by 10 on the road at the Cleveland Browns defense, which has seen a lot of things go the other direction these past few weeks.

The over under is 42 and a half, Ion Eagle and J.J. Watt. Greg, on the call, the only thing that I am interested in this game, does Miles get one and a half? I don't think so. Well, because, okay, Josh Allen does take some sacks. I believe more this year. Now I'm doing that off the top of my head. Traditionally, he doesn't. great offensive line.

And it's obviously a situation where I think they could be playing with a positive game script. And so you think of Spencer Brown and you think of Dionne Dawkins, there's not many tackle combos in the NFL that are better than that. And considering how easy it's been to run on the Browns defense the last couple weeks, a little surprising. Josh Allen has taken the second most, tied the second most number of sacks he's taken in a season in his career since 2019.

Yeah. that was 38. Right now he's at 33 tied for his 2022. Yeah. So that's been a problem for them this season. Such a big change from last season. It took 14 all season, which is incredible.

I just don't know if he's going to be dropping back more than 20, 25 times in this game. Nor should he. Yeah. I hope you're right, but it doesn't seem like they need to. They're just worried about winning a ball game. Yeah.

And run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. I don't have much to say about this Cleveland Browns unit. Like let it end, right? I said that about the Giants last week. Let it end.

For God's sake, let it end. Let's actually hear Josh Allen. A last minute edition. Great producing behind the glass by Eric Roberts and Jason Klein. No, I haven't thought about it. I do like highlight tapes, but I don't like being a part of other people's highlight tapes. I mean, he's an absolutely tremendous football player.

He's one of the greatest of all times. And, yeah, I mean, he's a force to be reckoned with. I should have noted that was Josh Allen talking about the stack record, not Eric Roberts and Jason Kleiman, talking about Miles Garrett coming at him. It might as well have been, you know. Eric Roberts, you know, he had that clip queued up. It's probably what he's, you know, listening to.

He's seeing all the national heads. They're like, well, I guess if you have to pick an AFC team, the bills are as likely as anyone, and they need to keep winning. There's a lot of reasons to believe that I'll continue this thing. Yes. We believe in the Buffalo Bills. Also, again, shout out to, and again, it's been a lot of tortured discussion

with the Cleveland Browns 2025 draft class, top to bottom. Things have panned out, especially considering Harold Fanon as well as. And yet, I don't think that should save their front office when they're paying three or four different offensive linemen who are no longer playing well or healthy and aged into next season, even if they're not on the team. And the same thing with Injoku. And of course, Deshaun Watson, like they are in a rough situation. I don't want to get into a long one with that.

I did want to know one thing I noticed last week is Brandon Cooks had like a drop at the beginning of that game. And then he has one catch in 65 snaps for the bills. And Keon Coleman is back to just playing significantly more than Brandon Cooks. But so that's on the offensive side. On the defensive side, you know who's been getting it done? Like all the old guy. Like last week it was Jordan Poyer off the couch.

Matt Milano looked pretty good. Tradavius White. Trudevius White has a big game. Look totally different than he has. Dequan Jones. I don't know how old Dayquan Jones is, but it feels like he's been in the NFL for 15 years. And just shout out to those guys, getting it done.

They got in the right spots. What a great play by Trudevius White for that interception against New England. And we talked about this too. The second half of games, if we want to talk about defense is bringing it consistently, now across the entirety of a game, we want to see it still. But the bills in the second half of football games have been rock solid all season.

And there's this idea that they're somehow lesser than they've been in previous years. Look, the team that they almost made the Super Bowl, at least I thought they would have, if they won that overtime game against the Chiefs. They lost six games that year. Two seasons ago, when they were right in the mix, they lost six games that year. Like last season, they lost four games. You know, they were a better, but I don't think they're that much different. You know who's leading the NFL right now in yard differential, which I think's a good stat?

Yeah. You've gained more yards than your opponent. The Buffalo Bills! like leads the NFL. They're a good football team. And yet they're very likely to be a wild card. I like how you pose the question. As if we could possibly guess that it was the Cleveland round.

I would have thought it'd be the Rams or someone else other than the bills, but it's bills. The bills are very likely. I don't want to disappoint all the fans out there to be the wild card. Because even if the Patriots lose to the Ravens, they will hold the title. breaks if they win their last two games against the Jets and Dolphins, which is not, you know, a definite. But so even if the bills lose out and they get a little help this week with the Patriots losing to the Ravens, even then in a tie scenario, the Patriots do win the division over

the bills because of that Dolphins loss. I know you're glad to fit that little note in right at the end of the segment here. No, he just wants to, he wants to prepare. I don't want to, I don't want it in the Patriots because that we got more ball game to talk about, you know. Yeah. Let's get to a ball game. We talked about an AFC, perennial AFC contender with a generationally talented quarterback.

This is another one, but they're not a contender anymore. The Cincinnati Bengals are favored by five and a half points at the Miami Dolphins. We're going to run Trent, excuse me, Quinn Ewers out. And Jordan, do we have, do we have crystal updates? How are we feeling this game where the vibes could be down horrendous for everybody involved? Yeah, I mean, we sort of kind of read the comments from Mike McDaniel correctly here that Tua Tua Tua was likely going to get benched and now he has been. He's not even the backup. He's the emergency third quarterback for this Miami Dolphins team at this point.

And among the many contracts that have been, have sort of bogged down this team over the years, this is going to be one of them. In fact, I think what surprised me was some of the reaction coming. coming from a player who's not even in the building right now via Tyreek Hill on social media. Yeah, he had a tweet with just a peace sign. Who knows? I think...

It's normally a gif of the guy chucking the deuses and vanishing. Yeah. And so that's... Yeah. And he's... Tyree Kill. And then... I'm also like, do you know if you're going to be there next year, buddy? Like... Well, I think that's what he's saying. See ya. And

extra see ya since to his bench, too. But he also said that Theron Armstead, T-Stead, in his words, started all this by wanting to be a podcast. I don't know if I take Tyrie Kale's comments too seriously. I think he's, I think he's lightly jabbing Theron Armstead. Heck, left tackle has been the least of their problems, by the way, this year, Patrick Paul.

So, yeah, Quinn Ewers. Quinn Ewers. There it is. One of the highly, most highly recruited high school college players of the decade. Didn't really work out that way. Is this the first Texas quarterback to a start since Chris Sims? no we've we've had Colt McCoy in any number oh I forgot you know what people always forget about Colt McCoy I'm trying to think there's got to be other ones no that's it people always

Vince Young certainly offensive rookie of the year Vince Young yeah yeah couldn't forget about Vince Young so I want to point out because people didn't believe this when I sent it out on Blue Sky today that Quinn Ewers did have one of the best throws of the year and so So if you're watching us on YouTube, we appreciate you, like, and subscribe. But you can see Quinn Ewers deliver a dime, 50 yards, air yards, down the field while getting run over. And when I showed you this the first time, Patrick, you said, well, I wouldn't have believed it until I saw it. And now you've completely forgotten it. Yeah, no.

You can see it from multiple angles, getting hammered, drops it in a bucket. I believe that's to Westbrook or Keeney down the field. No, it's D.S screen. That's it. The Quinn Ewers, D. Eskridge connection, a highlight for the 2025 Miami Dolphins, where hopefully, you know, Tua finds a spot and he gets healthy. Clearly, there's something physically going on with Tua Tungwelo. The velocity falling off the map that the hotter balloon to waddle was when I thought, like, watching that game in a game that I wanted and needed the Miami Dolphins to win. Not a cold weather quarterback.

Well, when the velocity is. gone, because I promise, like, to those just, you know, discovering the Tua Tongue Vila in 2025, he used to have more of an arm than this. You know what's crazy, though, that the line moved like five points with Tua to Quine U. So I was like, that, that seems aggressive, just for the difference between the two of them. I'm sure Mike McDaniels thinking, I know the team's not as good, but when they, when they put a little scare in the playoffs with, why am I forgetting his name, Thompson? Skyler.

Skyler Thompson, a couple of years. years ago. I'm sure he's wanting to show his wears and it's against a vulnerable defense that will be without Trey Hendrickson. Shout out to Miles Murphy, first round pick a few years ago who's playing pretty well. Do you know what really struck me? I know this

whole situation is a mess in Miami, but what really struck me was the word choice that Mike McDaniels, that Mike McDaniel used. He said he needed convicted quarterback play. I'm like, oh, because to me that speaks about decision making and confidence and all lot of things in the subtext of using that word versus deciding to say literally anything

else. Yeah, not a quarterback that's throwing, playing with confidence. I do think just because teams always need quarterback, they could probably get someone to pay. I'm going to put over under $15 million of to us 55 and the cap hits a little less if it's a trade versus a cut and you save it off the $15 million. I just think someone will maybe take them on as like a backup up one B. What about Tua Tonga Viloa's entry into the Kyle Shanahan School for a quarterback who used to throw good and throw good too? Okay. What is that? A school, France? Yeah, you send, you send Mac along to some team that's willing to give up too much for Mac Jones and then you bring in Tua as a discount for Brock Purdy. I like that as a backup

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interesting. And also, we've got the late game preview. That's coming up too in the feed. Oh, it's more than interesting because you have a tale of two cities and two quarterbacks because J.J. McCarthy and the Minnesota Vikings, fresh off a win against the Dallas Cowboys

Jordan, Roderick, looked pretty good on often, other than throwing the ball to Justin Jefferson against the Giants team that has the hopes, the fates of the most important city in the world where people have to try extra hard because of the media and Jackson Dart getting a whole lot

of attention, which quarterback has the better rookie performance this time. What a setup. It's impactful. JJ has played like a rookie, but not technically. He's given him a red shirt. He's given him a red show. Oh, he did. NFL. Yeah.

So I like what I saw for the most part from JJ McCarthy last week. This is similar. Remember last year when we would watch some Caleb Williams and Caleb would make these throws that you don't believe are even possible every once in a while. And then there would just be a lot of learning curve in the middle. And then obviously, you know, the scheme and everything was such a mess there, not the case in

Minnesota. But I'm kind of getting those vibes where like he's starting to understand his variance a little bit more. Now, whether or not he understands the dance moves he's supposed to do in the end zone or not. I'm not sure. But I think we heard a little bit from him this week on the gritty. I did it in practice, and I was told not to do it. So it's just me, you know, being who I am, it's like, oh, now I'm more enticed to do it. But if it's that open, obviously, just get in the end zone, no matter what, and be coachable and do what my coach says.

So, yeah, I'll definitely get a minus for that one. That's nine right there. I'm going to touch the butt. It turned from nine to JJ mid conversation because then he realized how it sounded. he was like, if Kevin O'Connell, who did laugh about it? When I first read the quotes without their face, it was totally fine. Yeah, like, Kevin O'Connell's laughing about it, but I was like, oh, he told him not to do it. And so then he did it, that's kind of funny.

Nobody tells them. But then nine just turns right into JJ. What's that movie with, is it James McAvoy is the actor, Splice or something like that? Split, yeah. One of the regrettable Shamaun franchise. So many to choose from. JJ is now leading or the NFL in big time full weight which is really kind of an indictment on the

he's tied with Stafford yeah I mean I'm not surprised just because I mean I am surprised what am I saying I'm shocked but last week he had a ton and he hasn't had a ton of throws big time foe weight It's just a stat. And usually it's the best quarterbacks in the league that are at the top of that stat.

It's not like it's usually a fluggy player. So he has made, to your point, it's a big type place. And I do think his final three weeks is going to be really important for how we kind of evaluate his offseason and season. If he continues to play like this for three more weeks and the last two games are against the Packers and the lines and he looks good. Like, I want to feel completely different than I did. salvaging it. And speaking of, you know, like James McAvoy, occasionally, we do see Jackson Dart have great performances

within a regrettable franchise. And there's that Jackson Dart. And then there's the absolute opposite. First Reed isn't there. Oh, well, Yolo, I'm going to run down here and smash my head into somebody. Stay safe, please, Jackson. Which one do we get here?

Or on the ground. This is a brutal matchup, I think, for him. Oh, yeah. Against this defense, yeah. To figure out. The first half of that game was as bad as he looked last year, I mean, this year against the commanders. And then second half, he played well. I just think they're going to throw a lot on them.

Now, they do have a good offensive line that, you know, maybe they can communicate and figure out the protections better than most would. But one of the things on the other side, too, is JJ, like they've gone almost all 11 personnel the last couple of weeks. And that's really helped them, like to the point where people are like, maybe we should have done this sooner. Yeah, well, when people talk about simplifying something, I mean, that's, that's what they mean. They're running most of their concepts out of one look.

And where that could sometimes bite you in the butt against certain defenses, in this case, it's fine because it gives everybody clarity and speed with which to make decisions because they're not sifting through multiple personnel or changing the formations. I mean, they are, but they're not changing the personnel within the same play, which I think would help a younger quarterback out. And technically still alive here,

one of my worst over under picks of the year. Vikings over eight and a half. Not eliminated. Oh. I mean, they would have to beat the Packers in the lines in a row, but not eliminated. Little daylight. Little daylight with this winning streak. The daylight has...

You guys almost lost me there for a second. Oh, my God. The daylight has come to a close in Florham Park. The New York Jets going on the road to the New Orleans Saints who are favored by four and a half points, Tom McCarthy, and Ross Tucker on the call where the Lotsmakers have noticed the same thing we have. Tyler Shuck playing pretty good ball right now, Greg. That is a real look-in-the-mirror moment for the Jets

that they're four and a half-point underdogs against New Orleans. And I don't think it's enough. I'm taking New Orleans. Easy. I mean, this is one of the worst defenses we've seen with the Jets. We've seen Shuck look pretty good in tougher situations. The thing about Shuck that I love and you're seeing it on his highlights is if it's a third and 13

that man is throwing at 15 yards there's no checking it down his guy might be covered pretty well and man coverage he's throwing that ball in there and for the most part it's going to be accurate and Devon Bailey's going to be making some plays for him Devon Bailey's been great the last couple weeks he got banged up at the end of that game

but he's really helped him out Olave dominated in the final two drives of that game after being quiet Shuck has really opened my eyes. And it's what the end of the season is all about for a team like the same. Yeah. And the Jets, they can't get pressure. So they blitz a lot, which is great news if you're Tyler Shuck, because yes, his season overall is a limited sample size. But he's thrown three touchdowns, no interceptions against the blitz this season per next gen. One of nine

quarterbacks who have not thrown an interception against the blitz this year. And so there's nine, right? Oh, the real nine. Oh, the authentic. No. The authentic. No. But But I feel like it's good because they're going to throw the kitchens sink at them because, again, they're not getting pressure any other way. This is another, like, build out your offense type of game. This is another, we've said this about some of these matchups over the last couple of weeks, especially for teams that are beyond the pale at this point. This is a try stuff, a figure stuff out kind of game, especially for that Saints offense that's putting it together. Saints defense is much improved as well.

Tyler Shuck used to wear the number nine. I can't wear it there, obviously. Now he wears six because six is three less than nine. That's the explanation. It's close enough. Okay. Maybe it's the upside down nine.

Like they missed a field goal or? Like that's legitimately the, I don't know. That was the explanation that I found for it. You know, he couldn't wear the nine there. Understandably. Quick eyes, quick eyes, Tyler Shuck. Like, he's making, he's making quick decisions. Yeah, well, he's seen a lot of football, Greg.

he has seen a lot of football that man has been around a long time you know who else has Aaron Glenn whose defenses have not performed how he's wanted them to the last couple of years he fired Steve Wilkes his defensive coordinator this week

we hadn't hit that yet and yeah I think it's going to be more of Glenn I guess now calling the plays for the jet looking forward to the future in Lauren Park a lot of picks see what they do with them

we'll see Chuck's got to keep it going too because Michael Pennex, you know, Michael Pennix had a great four games everyone got excited about. Jackson's Ark, after three or four games, I think we felt differently about than we do now. So the real test being an NFL quarterback, like we've seen guys pop up. Will Levis had some moments as a rookie quarterback.

I want to see him land the plane here. Shout out to Chase Young. Very, very, very, very, very, very quietly. Having a little bit of a comeback here. A little resurgence played really well. And how about the Saints? Like they might have a high pressure rate. You know, this year where everyone was saying they would draft one overall,

hell, they're over under very much on the table. And they might not be drafting in the top eight or nine picks at this rate. You know why? Brought office. Great decision. Oh, yeah. They're going to re-sign Mickey Loomis to a 40-year contract after this. Oh, let's, let's go crazy.

We lost double-digit games again. So let's get eight. Nine. Excuse me. It was 10 before. Let's get a 40-year deal for the best in the games. game. Kevin Harlan and Trent Green on the call for CBS as the Mahomes list Kansas City Chiefs are favored by three and a half, but they are on the road at a Tennessee Titans team that

has the hottest running back in the game right now in Tony Pollard going up against a good rushing defense. Am I crazy, Jordan? We're thinking that Cam and the Titans have a good opportunity to knock off Gardner Minchu here. You're not crazy at all. No Mahomes. Chiefs are eliminated, like, bad vibes, rebuild vibes in multiple phases of their team. Dealing with the aftershock of the Mahomes injury, the Titans just kind of have been playing for the hell of it for most of this season. Yeah, I do think, absolutely, I think the Titans have a shot in this one. Well, the Chiefs also, their practice report, and I, you never know, like, but it just felt like a practice report of a team that no longer has anything to play for.

maybe not but dwan taylor he's been out wanya morris uh has been out but trent mcduffy also injured rishi rice i believe was out of practice protocol he's in the concussion protocol so they're just not they're not going to push players maybe to play not that you would escape the protocol without you know being able to pass the test but i don't know they might not they might be pushing players to play through injuries right now understandably so yeah especially the vets when you talk about the kelse's and the chris jones is a the world. I mean, we say it, it was true, three seasons ago. You go on these extended postseason runs where they've, they've come out of the wild card on a couple of these times to go to the

Super Bowl and gone on the road to go to the Super Bowl. They've played extra seasons worth of football. Like, it's not, you know, it's not like questioning their fortitude if they choose to sit some guys here after being eliminated and, you know, shout out to Garda Menshew in the run that he had after he invented RVs and racial hair where you know he garnered a lot of attention in the national media but you know you

asked famously Greg when does he stop getting away with it I think here December 2025 maybe when Gardner mentioned stuff not a bad matchup for him though Jeffrey Simmons coming right up Adam right up the A gap right there potentially a threat

the passing game too that's true his staff The two-way star. I thought it was going to be Travis Hunter, but it's Jeffrey Simmons. I went and checked this because on the podcast previously, I was like, I think Jeffrey Simmons could be the first team all pro. He's actually never been that before. And I was like, well, I got to think.

Are there any other options this year before I just make a statement? And it's like, no, Jeffrey Simmons is clearly one of the two. He's pretty clearly the one. His pass rush win rate is miles beyond any interior rusher. His pressures, anything that you would want to look at miles beyond. to just an awesome season. And yet, this team is one of the worst pass rush teams outside of him in the NFL. Brock Purdy did not get sniffed a week ago.

And so, I don't know, Gardner Minch is a good player as a backup. Remember that cold season? I wouldn't, you know, I'm still picking the time. All I remember is, I remember how it ended. Yeah, as I was going to say, all I remember is the true disappointment emanating from Shane Steichen after Gardner Minchu missed that fourth down throw. That's what I remember. I also

Jeffrey Simmons has 51 pressures just wrap your head around brain around that That is wild I also do want to address since this is the Kevin Harlan game I've received a lot of criticism From members

Inside the building Really just one member Of how I Read the Hanukkah prayer In the voice of Kevin Harlan Which I thought It was more of the spirit That's what the Hanukkah season

holiday season is all about. But to quote the slack I received during it, you sucked at the blessing. I mean, that seems harsh. And I got that in person too. That's very direct. Yeah, it was very direct. But I stand behind it and I know some of our Jewish listeners

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