NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 NFL Week 17 Preview

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview all of the Week 17 action from around the NFL starting with Texans at Chargers followed by Jaguars at Colts (07:42), Ravens at Packers (13:53), Steelers at Browns (20:10), Seahawks at Panthers (27:22), Buccaneers at Dolphins (33:10), Eagles at Bills (38:18), Patriots at Jets (44:10), Bears at 49ers (49:41) on Sunday Night Football, Rams at Falcons (57:51) on Monday Night Football, Cardinals at Bengals (01:03:43), Saints at Titans (01:07:40) and Giants at Raiders (01:12:05).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I just love the word penultimate. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with my regular preview buddies, Jordan Roderig, and Patrick Claibon. It's not the end of the road, but it's pretty damn close. Yes. It's like you said, the penultimate,

which, you know, the penultimate step and a jump. All these things are very important. And so people question it. Thinking of all the pens I've stolen from Greg over the years. Where is the one that you stole on Saturday? I mean, that pen came all the way from Narita Airport in, in Tokyo, Japan, you know, to bring it back just so you could steal it. Just so I could chew on it. Disgusting.

You know, it's not disgusting. What's that, Greg? My attitude about this week 17 slate for a minute, you know, I did a little complaining at the end of the recap show of like so much has decided. It's true that the In the Hunt graphic is more decided than normal. And with the Colts losing on Monday night, that clinched. a playoff spot for three more teams in the AFC, the Jags, the Bills, and who am I forgetting here? Come on.

Chargers. And that's one thing. But then again, we have a lot of matchups in the final two weeks of two playoff teams going against each other. So it's essentially like a playoff preview, good on good, and I'm looking forward to those. Yeah, and let's start with a couple of those playoff contenders in the AFC, the Houston Texans on the road. day on NFL network where we care about each other and football rich eisen and kirt warner there

the chargers are favored by two and a half greg rosenthal over under is 39 and a half charges get this one at home uh man i got to make a pick in this game yeah you do i think i'll probably take the chargers and i won't feel good about it uh they've just got something a little extra both these teams do the chargers and i should have mentioned we're putting ourselves on a clock here because we like to honk on this show you pointed right at me no i we like to like the honk and we're not doing the thing where we're splitting up the games. It's a holiday week. It's all in one show. Enough about that. Seven out of eight for the Chargers, six straight for the Texans. And the obvious solution that Justin Herbert and Jim Harbaugh have to come up

with is how can we possibly get Justin Herbert enough time against this pass rush? And the answer would be, well, they've been doing it all year to some degree in that maybe they're catching the Texans defense at the right time. I hesitate to make too much of a trend but the last two weeks against the Cardinals and the Raiders

they've been more good than great or okay than great and even the pass rush has been a little bit down but maybe they're also just a team that gets up for big games. They seem like one of those types of teams. This was forewarned a couple of weeks ago because of the top

seven defenses in the NFL, the Houston Texans actually were the one of those groups that were most susceptible to the explosive play at that time. And when you go deeper into a season and a defense that, my favorite defense in the NFL, an absolute joy to watch in every single phase does have a little bit of that creeping in, especially near the end of the season. It's tighten up time for the Houston Texans, but they are like a little bit susceptible, which I can never say the first time correctly to the explosive play. The Chargers are able to do this

in the passing game as long as Justin Herbert can actually throw the football. And that's the caveat. That's the tough caveat where the Chargers' offense hasn't necessarily looked great and then they get a chance to go up against a generationally porous Dallas Cowboys team. It's like truly at this point where you're seeing the Chargers

get locked up over and over again and then you got Lad running down the field by himself. BTJ is making one hand catches. The quarterback is having to play with his one hand. He's stiff-armed people still with the broken hand. Stop doing that. But then he oddly enough has people like, he'll stiff-arm somebody with the broken hand. And then when somebody goes to help him up with that hand, he's like,

no, no, no, don't be crazy. Don't help me up with this hand. It's broken. My hand. But still, to go through what they've been through at front and going up against this defense, I know it's been a couple bad weeks. I don't necessarily believe in trap. It's not even that bad. I don't even think like, it's the Raiders. They got They got done up by the Raiders in week 16.

Like, oh, well, they still won the game. Yeah. So I'm going Texans here. I'm really curious because this is, if you want, you don't have to. It's a, it's a, we do it on game day view. Everyone, big week for that. Check us out. Yeah, Patrick Claibon, winning the game debut picks on NFL network.

Thanks, Greg. I like it when, when it's good on good sometime. And we'll have that matchup in terms of sides of the ball when we talk Eagles, bills a little later. But this is kind of. of the good on bad on both sides. So it's the weakness of the Chargers, their offense, although they do have the skill position players to maybe make those big plays.

And then it's the bad side of Houston, which took a step back last week, which is their offense, even when they're improving against Jesse Minter, who has been mixing up his coverages, mixing up a little more pressure a little bit since the buy week. And CJ Stroud, he just, like, when he's not on, he's really not on. could see them clouding the picture for him. I should have mentioned, we're putting a five-minute clock on. That means there's only one minute left. Oh, no, whatever will I do? No, they, Jesse Minter's got three good pass rushers, and even on weeks where Cleo Mac just a little bit quieter,

Odafe Owe and Tuili Poloto are absolutely mauling people. They are in these really interesting creative rush packages where they could both rush from multiple angles and multiple spots along the alignment. And week over week, either those three or two of the three are among the top in pressures in the NFL. And it's bringing everything that Jesse Minter wants to do to life in the back end as well as these young receivers. Plus, Nico Collins are playing this year and certainly right now for the Texans. Yeah, I do worry about them, especially when C.J. Stroud has been a little bit up and down. These are the two AFC teams that are making the playoffs. I'd throw maybe throw the Patriots. I'm just like not totally sure how good, how what

They are. And so this will go a long way towards proving that injuries to keep an eye on Jamari Sawyer, the left tackle for the Chargers, Dante Jackson, the cornerback for the Chargers, Aziz Al-Shahir. He made his first Pro Bowl on Tuesday, but we don't know if he's going to be available for this game. So a lot of intrigue there. And then we got this from the research department.

Okay. This is interesting. This is more stupid than interesting. That's where I index, Greg. DJ Stroud has won four straight starts for the first time in his. NFL career when he's good for him. Yeah, they won with Davis Mills, of course, a few times. Each time

CJ Stroud had a win streak of at least four games in college, it was snapped by one coach. Who is that coach? Our ball. Wow. Wow. Hey, that's not dumb. That's a great little nugget right there. Okay. It's a great

nugget. I don't know if it's going to have an impact on this game, but it's a great nugget. Well, everything that's ever happened before has to happen again. Absolutely. That's just how the world works. Famously, everything was on the up and up in Ann Arbor during Jim Harbaugh's tenure. Let's go to our next game. Jacksonville favored by six and a half points after going up there and dominating in Denver at the Indianapolis.

Colts expecting perhaps Riley Leonard gets to start here, 47 and a half. Joe Davis and Greg on the call. And Jordan, I mean, Greg's going to give the audience a lot of insight into what makes this Jags offense so much fun to watch. Well, I can't wait. And thank God someone is finally going to be talking about the Jackson Jaguars. Am I right guys? I mean, after this entire season, I've heard nothing, including from my left and my right directly about the Jacksonville Jaguars. No, I love this team. They went from being Greg and I's messy fun team pick of the year to just flat out fun. Trevor Lawrence

is playing like one of the best quarterbacks in the league. I put this on Blue Sky earlier this week where I'm like, hey, Trevor Lawrence, the playoffs await. But first, quarterback island is coming. And I think he's got more than a case for our last episode. He is helping to define the position, yes. Yes. And I do think, too, you know, I watch, this defense is great in Jacksonville as well. It's well coached. They attack the ball. They're up there among the lead leaders week over week and takeaways as well. Special teams, they have an edge over a lot of the teams

that they play. And I do think that they have more edges in every phase of football than the Colts do right now, despite the fact that when I watched Riley Leonard, I watched the game a couple It will be Philip Rivers starting this game. It is. Okay. So we know that. All right. Well, I still think that the Jaguars have the edge.

And I do think that they, it's going to be fun. I hope they, like, amp up the mics again like they did in the broadcast this week. So you can hear all of Philip Rivers audibles. And that for Indianapolis is the thing I'm most looking forward to. Yeah. Shane Seichen revealed it just a few minutes before we started taping here that it will be Philip Rivers. They were not eliminated on Sunday. And I think, I mean, on Monday night.

And the route to the playoffs is pretty simple. They need the Texans to lose out, and they need to win out. And they have to get a strength of victory tiebreaker, which is about 50-50 right now. And a lot more results based on who they've beaten and would play into that. It's way too complicated. And frankly, it shouldn't matter because the Jaguars are heavily favored in this game for a reason. And they would eliminate the Colts and put the Texans in the playoffs. it's an interesting spot for Texans fans watching

because if I'm them, I'm still rooting for the Colts to win this game. Obviously, they'll know the result on Saturday before it happens and that plays into it. But if you're the Texans, you want to go ahead and win the division, that's more important to me than getting your playoff spot clinched a week

early. I just think last night, as we're taping on Tuesday, we're doing everything a little early this week. Chris Ballard's vision of what this defense should be, all the picks they've put into their defensive line. It just came out, like, total nonsense in the biggest of spots, and they're supposed to be a big run game team.

The run game wasn't there. For Philip Rivers in the passing game to be the very last reason why they couldn't compete in a must-win type of game, you know, speaks to bigger problems that, you know, they're going to look at in the off-season, certainly. But I think the Jaguars, the way they're playing right now and the way Trevor's playing right now can expose in terms of their defense. Yeah, where you saw some splash plays on Monday Night Football where that's really it.

Like the sustained continued success, especially without the pass rush. I mean, both teams on Monday night definitely didn't necessarily bother having a pass rush. But even more so for the Indianapolis Colts where, you know, still, because I have seen some honking from Bengals fans, you know, coming back at, hey, you know, this is where Coach Liu's defense is. but at certain point the personnel an issue in both spots I think he is boom or bust I'll buy that argument that he is a game plan

type of coach and yes the personnel isn't there Travarious Ward literally isn't there sauce Gardner isn't there they had Buckner back but I think sometimes he has so many like

designer game plans week to week that sometimes they crap out and it looks really bad yeah and I think I think he puts too much on linebackers that are not necessarily complete players either.

I know they love those guys in the building, but that's a position that they really have to be looking at. And the Jaguars are set up to take advantage with Breton Strange and Parker Washington. Parker Washington, no longer just a little cute story, leads the team in receiving that. Edge that ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. after that game. This is a crazy stat I saw from Dan Orlovsky.

I can't believe. Trevor Lawrence in the last three weeks on third down has a 99.9.9 QBR, which is, you know, it's out of 100 in averaging 15 yards per attempt. You never see that. It's out of 100. Like 70, like 80 or 75 will, you know, sometimes like lead the league for the year. That's him on third down's last three weeks. And the thing I noticed watching him, he gets through his reads so much faster.

And the Colts will give you time to get you through your reads. Yeah. And I think, too, manufacturing explosive against the Colts, Philip Rivers did it in a very different way. He did it by moving the formation and changing different things around pre-snap. They can do it with Trevor Lawrence on the move. It's going to be harder, I think, for Philip Rivers to repeat that performance against this Jaguars defense after what the Colts put on tape last week, unfortunately.

But fun watching both offices of this one because it's my guys. It's Alec Pierce on one side. Yeah. And then Parker Washington on the-Rexecor ball. It's the Patrick Receiver Bowl. I have bad news for everyone that keeps making these tweets about, oh, I want Alec Pierce or this, you know, Alec Pierce is going to make so much money for your agency.

They're going to franchise tack him. Like, they will pay Alec Pierce $28 million at the very least, I think, to just keep him in the building. That's how good he has been. Depends on who the GM is. So that's a lot of money. And maybe he does get his long-term extension, but I think it'll be with the Colts.

If they would like to keep in the building, they can provide him with a contract. Yes. Longer than that. I think they will. And not utilize the league's cost-control metric to avoid paying players what they actually deserve. Baltimore at Green Bay,

who are favored by 2-0. and a half points. The over under is 40 and a half. It's the baby bird. Noah Eagle and Todd Blackledge going to call this game on Peacock Saturday at 8 p.m. Eastern part of a Saturday double header. A lot going on in Baltimore, Greg. Not a lot of it. Great.

Green Bay is dealing with a ton of injuries as we discussed in a heartbreaking loss last week. How do you see this one? Well, the injuries are where you have to start because we don't know who's starting a quarterback for either team. Jordan Love was limited in practice. on Tuesday. He's in the concussion protocol.

If you're going to get out of the concussion protocol in one week, that's how you do it. So he has a chance to start this game. It'll make it tough for the Ravens to prepare. They'll have to be ready for Malik Willis. You even wonder if Jordan Love played, would they even integrate Malik Willis into the running game? I don't think that's a crazy option against this Ravens team. Lamar Jackson and Harbaugh, you know, said, John Harbaugh said, on Monday that he has, you know, a bad bone bruise in his back. But Lamar Jackson did say, you know, he wants to play.

And it sounded somewhat optimistic about playing this week, but we just don't know at this point who will play. If they do play Lamar Jackson, how much of a chance do you give the Ravens in this game during? Well, I, the Packers are in, uh, inappropriate body part up or shut up time at this point in terms of they're basically standing on business like you have to you have to actually have to be this group that you look like you're going to be and that you say you're going to be all season and if it's

lamar who better than to try to do that against i i know that the ravens like need every ounce of lamar magic that they can get that they can possibly squeeze some life still out of this season um but it sounded like some of the reports coming out of that locker room was like players were saying, like, he could barely walk. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, John Harbaugh, like, at what point do you protect the player from himself? This is your franchise quarterback. I know he will want to play no matter what.

But if he could, he could barely walk after a game, after a back contusion. Yeah. To be honest, it reminds me a lot of earlier this season where, you know, the hope, obviously, you would prefer Lamar play football, especially a primetime game, a Saturday doubleheader. But if Lamar could play in this game in a relatively short week, then. he probably would have been able to come back in the game in the first place. Well, isn't that so reminiscent of so many moments during the John Harbaal, Lamar Jackson era, where they are not.

Some of that's like illness or soft tissue. Like, this is his back. Right. I just mean that where they're not on the same page publicly about when Lamar Jackson is going to be back on the field, it's happened multiple times. And if this ends up being it. And yes, this is an elimination game for the Baltimore Ravens. They lose this game.

They are going to have to, you know, watch the Steelers play on Sunday with a chance to eliminate them from the playoffs. John Harbaugh was asked about his job security this week. Thanks for asking that question, Bo. Well, first of all, yeah, no, that's good. It's a great question. I mean, it's a sports. It's how it works, you know. My focus is on always, it has been for the last 18 years here and the last 41 years in coaching.

or is it 42. It's up there. It's been to try to do the best job I can today and fight as hard as I can so the guys can have the best chance to be successful today. And anything after today I'm not thinking about because, you know, it's not given for us to think about. We don't have control over that except for the job we do today. If we do a good enough job today, then the opportunity to do that job or a different job will be there tomorrow. And that's what you hope for. And to clarify that the Steelers win the division if they're Ravens lose. The magic number is one. The season is over if the Ravens

don't win this game. Hear me out. New York Giants head coach, John Harbaugh. Yeah, he'll have hear me out, hear me out. He'll have his opportunities. Who's the funniest Bo that could have asked that question? My guess is Bo Nix.

My high school basketball teammate who famously ran for Congress on a platform that would have actually probably been pretty successful today. Bo McKinney. I'm not even going to say his last name, but a beau that I knew in college that eventually was running a casino in Malaysia.

And we heard, we heard, got in trouble with, like, oh, boy. Kind of like underground figures there. Interesting guy. Bo, if you're listening. Yeah. The Packers, if they win, also would clinch their spot. They would already have made it if the lions lose on Christmas.

We hit that in the previous show. It was one of Derek Henry's best games. So you want to see if you can keep the running game going. Or keep him on the field. Keep the ball in your hands. That was a tough situation. Harbaugh said he regretted that decision, taking him off the field. And he kept saying it was his decision?

Because that seems like a different conversation than was had previously. Exactly. And he said it was a rotation that we decided. I mean, I don't believe that. Derek Henry is almost never on the field in those hurry up situation. So that part's not new. They don't think he's as good. as the other players in a hurry-up passing situation.

I'm just saying it's hardly been the first time that he's not on the field late in games. Last quick point, and I was looking this up when you were asking me about Lamar, Greg. Sorry about that. But Jordan Love has to fully participate in a practice and then be cleared after participating in that practice. So far, he has been a limited participant in practice.

Just outlining the steps of the protocol because I think a lot of people forget what they are. Yeah. And Jeff Hathley, if you're going to try to get coaching interviews, thought he did great last week. The Packers are coming off two of the toughest losses. I think any teams have had all season long.

I mean, that was a brutal, emotional loss. But they did, they were that team that you were talking about last week. Yeah. They played really well on both sides. Yeah. All right. So those Baltimore Ravens fans,

if a get a win, all eyes will be on CBS. Jim Nance and Tony Romo where the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday are three and a half point favorites on the road. at the Cleveland Browns who almost squeaked out a win against the Buffalo Bills last week, 33 and a half.

It's a very low number where, Jordan, I am, can Cleveland do this for the people that would like for this day? I've never seen you so emotional watching a football game. I was just going to say.

Watching Steelers Lions last weekend in the newsroom. You were dying. More even than you would with Ravens game, but you just needed the lines to help you out a little. And then this situation wouldn't be so so dire for more. It doubly so because two weeks in a row, the Steelers have come

out in the second half and just road graded the opponent to an extent that's like, oh, the Steelers are actually demoralizing. They are playing their best right now. They are playing their best football right now on both sides of the ball. And I guess the universal balance has to swing some way

because we never see Chris Boswell miss a kick. So something has to go wrong, right? just in terms of the balance of life in the NFL. But, yeah, they're insane. They're very, very productive on offense. Running the ball well. Aaron Rogers is playing good football. They're getting explosive plays,

which they really struggled with early in the season. You know, I knew it was bad, or good, if you're a Steelers fan, but I knew it was bad. When Patrick, I walk in from filling up my water bottle, and Patrick is at his desk standing in the most wide leg, like father at the kid's soccer game, power stance with the arms crossed

I've ever seen in my life. It was a masterpiece. Well, yeah. It can all be about me. But I'm sure, obviously, it's frustrating for Lions fans, but for perhaps those Steelers fans who were there chanting fire Tomlin to see this team make second

half adjustment after second half adjustment. And it's like, well, maybe that was a mistake or maybe those people aren't capable of introspection in the first team. We'll see if they get healthier. So I think Derek Harmon was a huge return to the lineup for them last week in terms of stopping the run against the lions. And the number, the on-off splits for Derek Harmon this year are fantastic for Harmon in terms of

helping the run defense. We don't know when T.J. Watt could return. We don't know if Nick Herberg could return. But on offense, as good of a player as D.K. Metcalf is. And Ali Connolly pointed out, we hit the news that D.K. Metcalf was suspended on our previous show. He pointed out, look, Cleveland plays a ton of man coverage. And D.K. is their best man-beater. It's a total fair point. I do think the way to beat this Brown's defense is on the ground. And I don't think you have to tell Arthur Smith twice to run an offense through Kenny Gainwell and Darneau, Washington. I think he's going to absolutely love doing that. Sprinkle in a little Jalen Warren at the end, ripping off 45-yard gains for his fantasy teams. Schematically, I understand D.K. Matcalf is their

best matchup player for this particular matchup, but he's not the reason they've been getting explosive plays. He's only been targeted on passes of 10 plus air yards at like a 30% rate. per next gen lowest of the season. You know, obviously this just, uh, you guys covered the news already, but what a, just a wiener of a situation that, like, I can't even get into it because I'm just going to get mad. But, um, D.K.

Hang in there, buddy. Um, he'll be back for the playoffs, maybe sooner. And maybe this will be out of date if the appeal, you know, wins. The thing is they, their defense, their offense has been different with D.K. And in general, the last three weeks, the average, air yards per attempt are up, like a lot. The third and longs that they hit against Detroit were up a lot. And he, Aaron Rogers is holding on to the ball longer, not long, but longer. It is a different offense, really, the last three weeks. And you give him some credit for

adjusting. On the other side, Schinders Sanders has gone because of Stefansky. I think like Aaron Rogers to the extreme, extreme. Until that last third and 32 shot, last. week, he was averaging under one yard per, per attempt. I mean, that was a schemed up masterpiece by Kevin Savansky in a way, but also Shadir Sanders did nothing in that game. Like, it was crazy to watch back. We're on record, record watch for Miles Garrett. I believe he's one sack away at this point.

And going, going up against the moral successor to Brett Farve, just in a lot of capacities, perhaps Aaron Rogers could donate a little history to Miles Garrett and then go out the rest of the game. I really hope not because that was. the most annoying subplot of the Michael Strayhan situation from years ago. But you could see a situation if the Steelers are winning big. Aaron Rogers feels like he would do that.

He does not want to get hit, but he just like sees Miles Garrett coming and just... Just to get his name somewhere else? Just gets on the ground. Just an opportunity to answer some more questions. The thing about Aaron Rogers is when you get pressure on him, he gets sacked. I know he doesn't want to get hit,

but he has gotten hit quite a bit. He either gets rid of the ball or he kind of just turtles up. And so I think Miles Garrett does it. Let's go. I need that Andrew Siciliano call. Also, you mentioned, I tried not to laugh when you mentioned he is holding the ball a little bit longer and sort of manufacturing some of these explosive plays. Everyone looks like they're holding on to the ball longer when you're watching Philip Rivers play football the last couple of weeks. Absolutely.

I love watching it and they're still getting it done. I have to, I hate to do it, but you do have to give. a ride a little bit. Yeah. And we joked last week when he, he frustratedly looked over at Arthur Smith, throwing it short, and we're like,

oh, Aaron's not happy. After that, they were going down. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be back on the other side and look at some of the teams at the top of the NFs.

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game. Do you know what it is for me, guys? What's that? It's your presence. Oh, hey. Is a present. That is my gift. I don't know. Our presence must not be good right now because you asked us if we were okay during the break. Which is like, sometimes I like to check on you. I think it's maybe projection. I don't know. Like what? That is the number one, the number one reason. Anxiety in my head? What? to make sure the people are not okay around you is to suddenly ask if they're okay. You know, it can be a stressful time. It's never once worked.

Never once worked. I'm getting the shoulders again. You know, football is family. We get a couple of family-related football guys after Baby Bird calls the game on Saturday. It's Big Bird calling the game with T.J's brother, JJ, J.J. Watt. It is the Seattle Seahawks on the road at the Carolina Panthers.

Huge game in the NFC South for back-to-back-to-back weeks for the Carolina Panthers. Greg Rosenthal. They've already beaten the Los Angeles Rams. They're at Bank of American Stadium. Do they do that this week against Salmon Company? I don't think so. The Seahawks have a little extra rest.

Hey, at this time of year, you need everything you can get. The Seahawks, if they are the team that we think they are, they win this game. And maybe they don't cover the seven and a half. That's a big number. But if they're the team we think they are, they do. And it is crazy to look at some of the historical efficiency numbers, for instance. DVOA has the chargers, I mean the Rams and the Seahawks, as the fifth and six best teams through 16 weeks that they've measured since 1978. Wow.

And which you wouldn't think that because they have the three losses and the four losses. But I do get it because it's pretty rare to see teams this balance, this explosive on offense in the case of the Rams, but certainly explosive for the Seahawks. and then dominant on the other side of the ball, whereas, you know, the Panthers, they have their issues. It's a weird game in terms of stakes because the Panthers would need the bucks to lose to the Dolphins and to win this game to clinch the NFC South. So the odds are the, this game for the Panthers doesn't really matter that much in terms of playoff seating, whether they win or lose. But obviously, they're not approaching it that way. But for morale. Yes, yes. And just for they're playing a sport to win the game.

Yeah. And also, who can ever forget? And Patrick, I know you remember a lot of these, the like storied, uh, developed rivalry between those years that the Seahawks and the Panthers played like once a year for year after year after year during the Cam Newton era, like, and the fan bases were always at each other. And the panthers just haven't been good in forever. And now they are feisty, right? They are feisty and they know that even if this doesn't necessarily affect in a significant way, the playoff seeding, specifically. This is a team that is on a role right now. Bryce Young is playing some of the best football, certainly of his career and has made, especially when he's using his legs, which he's going to have to against the Seahawks defense. He's made some plays out of structure, scramble drill plays, really starting to click with his receivers, so I still need to see a complete game from across the board. But where I really think this is a sneaky, interesting matchup is Gray's Abel's a really good player, right? He's a really promising offensive lineman.

He's playing guard. He's awesome, right? We like Gray's Abel. Kind of struggled a little bit the last couple of weeks. And Derek Brown, who's having one of the most underrated seasons of any defensive player in the NFL this year, is on the other side and has made multiple game wrecking plays against opponents of this quality. He did it against the Bucks.

He did it against the Rams. That is a danger zone to circle on your play sheet. And as you're Evers called great games against this division this season where you go back to that Monday night game, yeah, it's like, give me back in there. But I think about that game against the 49ers where J.C. Horn, as well as Mike Jackson, made those great plays on the ball kind of confusing the look for Brock Purdy. And a chance to do that up against the, you know, we just saw a really good pass rush go up against Sam Darnold. And the Seahawks seemingly scored unlimited. points in the second half of that game where I have had some concerns as of late for the Carolina Panthers defense, but you brought it up and looking back at it, there's a story

here. It was that early in the season in 2015, people were wondering, is this Panthers thing real? And Cam was up there against the Legion of Boom. They came from behind in the fourth quarter. Snatch the flag. Now, maybe, maybe Bryce does it at home, Greg. That would be next level. We've had so many moments where you just believe in the Panthers a little more. And that would be going to like a completely different level and change how the NFC looks.

It hasn't been a good Seattle offensive line of lay overall. Like run blocking, pass blocking, but it's weakness on weakness. I mean, the Panthers are literally dead last in the league and pressure rate. They're the worst pressure team in the league. But I thought they cooked up to your point. Ever owes some good timely blitzes last week. To me, it's

all about Bryce like going down the field. Like he needs to hit vertical shots. Josh Norris pointed out since week 10 he is right near or at the top of the league in completion percentage

on throws over 20 yards on big time foe weight. Like he is a walking game winning drive the last couple weeks. I mean last couple seasons if you get him the ball late in the game,

he finds a way to win it. And they're calling him Carolina Reaper down there locally. I hope it sticks. That's kind of badass. the run game for the Seahawks you'd like to see it get better a little bit. I wonder if maybe the Panthers run game turned around a little bit last week was like a 50% success rate, which was an improvement after really struggling.

They're going to need it, I think, to compete with the Seahawks. The thing about the Panthers is I pick the Seahawks nine times out of ten. That one time you catch them on the wrong week. The Panthers have been that team. You catch them on that one week and they will make you pay for it. Well, it's going to be back-to-back games for the Seattle, excuse me, for the Seattle. excuse me for the Carolina Panthers in a revenge against the Matt Rule era

where it didn't work out for Baker Mayfield will see what Sam can do. And speaking of Baker, his Tampa Bay Buccaneers, five and a half point favorites on the road against the Miami Dolphins and Quinn Ewers, 46 and a half is the number. Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma on this call, Jordan.

Are the buccaneers going to look better on offense? Baker ball is not rolling, my friends. In fact, it is looking kind of, sad and disappointing. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, to me, it's hard to figure out what exactly the problem is. I think they have issues on defense, of course, but they just keep making their own mistakes.

It is penalties. It is false starts. It's receivers running and, you know, the quarterback and the receivers are on different pages. It's Baker pressing and trying to make throws that aren't necessarily there, pushing and maybe sailing a couple of throws. it is just not smooth the way that it looked the entirety of the season. The first part of the season, I mean, the entirety of the season, I think they would settle for consistency because they're not even putting things together in a way that makes sense to me because of all of the pieces that they do have on that

offense. And they have big time issues on defense. Last week was so strange for them because I think Baker played his best game maybe in a couple months, but they didn't ask them to do anything. I was like Baker's actually playing pretty well and he was like 10 for 14 for 80 yards you know like he but he wasn't making any mistakes and it was almost like they had a couple short throws on third and long

and I was like ooh they're putting the governor on Baker that's a bad sign the only thing I'd push back with the Buccaneers is I've kind of settled on like the one thing they did well was win crazy games in the fourth quarter and now they're just losing crazy games they've been straight mediocre all along and if you look at all the efficiency numbers and stuff they're very much like team number 16 to 20 in the NFL and everything.

Like rushing, passing, defense, offense. They're just like a mediocre team. And the players, like they're good players. You look at them. But at this point, I'm kind of trusting that that is who they are, which is why I do not like five and a half points in this game. And it would not surprise me at all if the dolphins just end their season here. But even then, they actually would need the Panthers to win to end their season.

So they can lose this and still be alive. That would be so depressing. Where, okay, Quinn Ewers had a terrible third quarter. Let's not sugarcoat that at all. The Dolphins overall had a terrible third quarter, five or four turnovers, including one on downs and the Bengals scored every single time out of those possessions. I will say the first half, Quinn Ewers looked like quality backup quarterback material. And I think where the bucks are a little bit vulnerable is right in the middle of the fields.

And they're very good, those rookie corners on the perimeter. and they've been playing well and Jamel Dean is obviously awesome but like they he is not afraid to laser throw it on these little slants all day long if his receivers win he's getting them the ball and I think

you know our friend who was on the show Cody Alexander worked a lot with with Quinn Ewers coming out trying to read some of these older school pressures and defenses where I think he's going to not be so frazzled by some of the stuff that Todd Bowles can bring because he's been studying it even back when he was in college.

They are picking on Levanti David and Servasi, Dennis, every week. Yeah. Unfortunately. Levante David's had a good career. But if you look at who's on the wrong side, a lot of these scores that they're giving up, it's him. I actually have more concerns with the Miami defense.

I don't know. I have a lot of concerns in general in this game. But like, we get into little streaks of the season. It's like, oh, the Dolphins defense is actually playing pretty well since this. Like, the whole season matters more. And in the end, like, they're 26th in EPA on defense. They're 22nd EPA. gave or play. They're kind of getting

run over the last couple of weeks, but I don't know what to think in this game other than it's, I think it's a toss-up despite Quinn yours. Well, the score would indicate one thing, but clearly the Dolphins defense was overmatched last week with

T. Higgins and Jumar Chase, and most teams would find themselves in that situation with Burrow playing well. But the dolphins have 56.7% of their receiving yards coming after the catch. And the way that, you know, folks have targeted Levante David and going running side to side.

Yeah. Yeah. Major danger. Right. Major danger. Well, that's what Mike Daniel wants to do. He wants to get Quinn yours to just slant him to death on these yak plays, getting moving across the, you know, side, like you said, side to side and just, like, have him slant him to do. In H.N.

Potential huge H.N. To the outside. It's less about vibes, but just more that, like, if the bucks were going to show us. Oh, where are the real Bucks? I feel like they would have by now. I've kind of, like, they actually could make the playoffs very easy. Like, they could lose this game and make the play. They could find a way to win that game.

But I don't know. Just we haven't seen it. And whatever Todd Bowles is doing isn't really working on defense either. All right. Bucks, try extra hard just for good. The Philadelphia Eagles going on the road to take on the Buffalo Bills were favored by one and a half. It is Fox Uno, Kevin Burkart.

And Tom Brady, the Bills didn't do much. Josh Allen had an x-ray at halftime, narrowly squeezed out a win against the Cleveland Browns. Eagles playing much better. What do you think, Greg? I love this matchup. It's going to be one of the most watched games of the year because it's the only 425 game. It's basically opposite. Like, we're all just going to be watching this game in the window.

And this is the good on good matchup. It is the very good Bill's offense for all the problems that they have. Like, it's by far the stronger side. It's a top five unit, and it's a great offensive line against this Eagles defense where, like, the four-man pass rush for the Eagles hasn't been amazing, I would say, the last handful of weeks. Like, it hasn't been as dominant, but overall, they're a dominant defense against a really good offensive line. And you're probably getting Jalen Carter and Lane Johnson back for this game if the reporting around the team is right. And so whatever issues that Josh Allen and this offense are having in terms of everything is so condensed, talk about air yards per attempt.

Like, he is dead last or first, depending on how you want to say it, uh, since I think week 12. And it's not even close. Like Aaron Rogers is second to last and Josh Allen is throwing for the fewest air yards per attempt. What have they done with our big beautiful boy? Actually, I'd like to, I'd like to pose, throw the question back to you because I have theories, but why do you think they are so truncated down? Because that's what's their best, you know, way to win.

Yeah, it's more if it's the, it's maximizing the efficiency, really. And it's like, listen, when I say that, it's not a compliment because we'd love to see them sail the ball down the field, but it is actually the highest probability play other than pressing the button that can win them games without having to press the button the entire time. Wait, do we have Eric on a mic for this show? Because you had a take

that I think is germane. It's truncated because nobody can catch the damn ball. He's basically like wide receivers sink. I did say they suck. I did say they suck. I turned it down.

And James Cook is way better at everything than the wide receivers are at most things. And the tight ends are better than the wide receivers too. And I'm almost not including Khalil Shakir

in the wide receivers because he's on the inside. It's the boundary. The whole idea of dad's strength, Kiliel Shakir has been worse since he welcomed the baby into this world. stuff. There he has. I've been there

new father stuff. He's tired, man. Eric's done the research now. He's seen what this whole fatherhood came. I think it was Kincai or Knox had a baby. It's even and out, but Shakir needs something, man. He needs to take a nap. We're in maximum fan mode right now. I love that. It's like a Reddit board come to life.

But yeah, like let's be honest. We're going to see that this week. Yeah. Like, oh yeah, let's dial up Tyrol Shavers on Quinnion Mitchell. Like, no, this is, and we love the button. We celebrate the button. The button went in at halftime.

Yeah. We'll go there. We'll do phrasing. It's 20, 25. Where Josh is getting x-rays at half-time. Yeah. Like, come on. Well, you know what's crazy.

So, Joe Basalia, you know, had some numbers on the boundary receivers and who's been coming in and out. Remember when they brought in Brandon Cooks? That was fun. He's had one catch this year. Gabe Davis,

remember when he was in the mix? He was back to a healthy scratch. So was Keon Coleman last week. So if you add up all the names that have been out there, and that includes like Curtis Samuel at some point and Shavers, you're talking about, if you add up all eight boundary receivers

that have played for them this year and turn them into one person, that one person would only be seventh in the NFL in receiving yards. That's what they've gotten from all their wide receivers combined. That's insane. George Pickens is like, see you later.

Six guys, eight guys, whatever it is. You know who should pay Alex Pierce? Yeah, that'd be good. honestly, at a certain point, you're doing yourself a disservice. Because I know, like, Kian hasn't necessarily done everything that you want to do. Let's not have Josh in this situation. Like, you want to, like, be the firm truth teller and like, oh, we need Kian to perform this, that, and the other way.

There's been multiple games where they've looked like absolutely nothing. And those games have something in common. Let's flip the sides before we finish with the minute and talk about, you know, Philadelphia's matchup against a bill's defense. Yeah. that has its shortcomings, but their old guys have been making plays. Like Jordan Poyer, he said it.

He's like, this season feels like a movie to me. The old dads are, the dads that, you know, are like more like, you know, unks at this point, you know, are the ones holding it down. They're making it. If I'm following the thread correctly, Eric. They're making it happen. And you wonder with Lane Johnson back,

like, can you get a real running game going which Eagles offense? Against the bills, yes. Which Eagles offense do we see? I mean, it makes sense for both teams. It's going to be more effective to run. James Cook, by the way, leading the league and rushing. You know, this close to the new year, it is time for introspection, I think. And on this game, I think, you know, which phase is just going to let me down the least?

That's going to win the game. Either the Bill's defense or the Eagles offense. Whoever lets us down the least will win this game. So negative. That's the attitude I'm going into the new year with. Low expectations, baby. I got high expectations. I think this will be a great one.

I'm a little surprised Bill's our favorite in this game. But I still, like, if this was the Super Bowl, I would be surprised, certainly. But also. But I think it's on the table. Like, it's on the table in a way that, like, I'd be more surprised if I saw, like, the Texans or the Chargers in it, certainly.

Hey. Well, one team that might that Greg did not mention could potentially play in this upcoming Super Bowl. The New England Patriots. I'd be more surprised to see them, yeah. Favored by 13 and a half against the New York Jets, Jordan. The overrunner is 42 and a half. Adam Eam and Greg Rosenthal's great friend and colleague, Drew Brees, on the call.

Neither. Why are you even putting me there? I've been saying he's been getting better. Yeah, you coach him up and he has been getting better thanks to your efforts. Do the Jets get better against Greg's Patriots, Jordan? No. Oh, okay. No.

No, this should be, this is the kind of game where if you're new, England, you don't overlook it, obviously, but you do the thing that you need to do, which is be a good team that beats bad teams. And that is what they've done. And they've done it in different ways. And once you got towards the latter part of the year, you know, actually even in the middle when we thought the Panthers were a bad team in different games there where they were winning by a lot, they have to win these two games to win the division.

It's a little confusing. If they were going to have lost a game, it was last week. They could have kind of dealt with the Ravens and win these two games to win. But because of division record, they cannot slip up here against the Jets and Dolphins. And there's even a scenario where the bills could lose this week because it's an out-of-conference game. That's really not going to hurt them. And they could still win the division, the bills next week if the Patriots stubbed their toe and lose either of these games. Obviously, the Jets, it seems less likely.

They are as close to tanking as any team could be because I think they're playing a quarterback in Brady Cook that just doesn't give them as good a chance to win as another quarterback who's active. And that's Throd Taylor. So that's about as close to tanking as it gets. They have not shown a ton of life on offense. On the Patriot side, a couple injuries,

like pretty significant ones to look out for. As we're recording this right before we're recording this, Mike Brable said that Trayvion Henderson, who left the game, Cajon Booty, and... Jared Wilson. Jared Wilson are all in the concussion protocol, which, you know, obviously you're going to just keep an eye on that. Morgan Moses, their right tackle left that game,

so they could be down like three offensive line and Will Campbell is not back. I think they're hoping he's back for the playoffs. They've really missed Robert Spillane at linebacker just because it's a big drop-off. But they might get Milton Williams back this week. It's interesting that if they would play them in this game, but maybe you don't give them a full compliment snaps he is practicing they sounded um pretty optimistic about it and yeah it'd be great uh for

for drake may to just go out there and put up a big put up a big number like he did last week that was his first 300 yard game of the season put it up on on a bad defense you know there haven't been many times where they've actually asked him to do something like that and while we know it's a bad defense um perhaps a lot of scribes great watching that game on sunday night football Just noticed that he was just throwing for those numbers. 300 yards, an important game. After Matt Stafford comes off a loss, we don't go negative on the conversation points.

Yeah. But Drake May has pulled within 15 points of Matthew Stafford. And when I say bad, I mean, this defense is bad. That was a good performance against Baltimore. How many points? I'm not saying this is going to happen, Greg. Yeah. But how many points would we knock Drake May

if he gives the Jets their first interception of the entire season? Which they have not gotten. yet. I think we would knock him. I think that's fair. I have been noticing among the tapeheads out there, it does seem a little more split than the Vegas odds would indicate. I think Drake May is going to get his share of first place votes if the voting was today because there's just a great case to be made for both. But the one for him is watching how he navigates the pocket. And that kind reminds you of like what he's overcoming. And that's a bad offensive line and not like the best looking group on paper of receivers

and that he's doing a lot on his own. So a big performance would help him. If you, I, one of my favorite things ever is when a quarterback who's good at that shows his work and like draws it out for the viewer. If you watch the sort of all 22 toward the quarterback angle

of any of these past, past protection snaps and any of these drops where he's navigating the pocket, he literally is drawing you a map of how he's navigating the pocket it is so exaggerated in the best way where to your point you can exactly see he's he's showing his work matthew stafford does the same thing just saying he he is one of the best i've ever

seen at how he does it burrow entering the league was amazing i think it's brady's super duper power it's what made him brady but to do it with kind of the extra athleticism that that may has he's got a chance he's got a chance um conversation The conversation is happening right now. Just not a lot of conversation about the New York Jets. Let's take a quick break, and we're going to come back. We're going to talk about a banger of a Sunday night football game. A game so good.

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No, I love. I like it. It rocks. It's the Christmas house band that we have... Live in studio. Locked up all year that we take out just for this moment. Sometimes a game like Bears 49ers. It's a lot going on. It's the real Christmas village. If this game happened in like week six, it would just be like, oh, okay, you know? Sometimes it's happening at the perfect time, as these two teams are absolutely cresting.

And there is so much at stake, the Bears trying to win the NFC North. There's a possibility they will already want it if the Packers lost on Saturday. But either way, the Bears are playing for essentially a playoff victory, which would be a one seed because they still very much have a chance at doing that. Going to Santa Clara to face a 49ers team that has snuck up on everyone, and they've put the Rams into third place in the NFC West. the 49ers just have to win out just to get the one seed. They're going to, they have a hard road to do it.

And it would have to beat the Bears and Seahawks. And these are the types of playoff previews that I'm talking about. And we talked Coach of the Year with Ali Connolly. This is a coach of the year off. And we might have another one in week 18 between Mike McDonald's and the winner of that little round robin might just get Coach of the Year. Everything is on the table. Patrick, when you look at. Oh, I don't know.

When you look at like this game, what do you think is the best group in this game? The best group is the Bears run game. The Bears run game against this 49ers front where they've had to deal with a lot. And I understand they really had Philip Revers and the Colts late in the game, you know, going the other direction.

But I think it's an opportunity for Ben Johnson and company. Who will be my pick for coach of the year? Kyle's got so many vets. I don't think Trent Williams, Brock Purdy and all those guys, George Kittle, they come back, they get healthy.

It's not like you got to re-teach them football. Yeah, but they all... Ace Canem, Arracur. They all missed parts of the year, and they won games like either without him or with them playing her. And I do give a little credit for,

like, the multi-year process. Maybe you shouldn't, but like that he identified the right people to have in that system anyway. Oh, no, I'm just acknowledging the farcical nature of the voting for this award

that's essentially like, hey, you did the most with the least. But it's like, we got a couple guys going to Canton. I don't know that it's fair to say that. Well, that's what I mean. It's why, be the change. We talked about it, and you can pick any. We don't need to make this a coach of the year discussion. But it is a good one to keep an eye.

Because I would, I think right now the 49ers passing attack and their offense in general might be even better. Like, their best is maybe better than the bear's best. And considering both defenses could be weak spots. I know the bears have created a lot more turnovers, that maybe that's good enough to win in a shootout. When I'm thinking about the 49ers personnel

on defense, the size of their personnel on defense, particularly in the second and third levels, the inexperience of their defense, particularly in the second and third levels, and their lack of size on the edges in some of those wider zone runs that we know in mid-zone

that Ben Johnson likes to run. And then I look at DeAndre Swift, who's at 993 yards, and Kyle Menungai, who's at 731 yards. And DeAndre Swift is running at a 96% or excuse me, a 47.1, woo, success rate. And Kyle Menungai is running at a 46.5% success rate. The two-headed monster in Chicago to me is the dominating force in this game.

And Bob Sala has to dedicate every single trick he has in the book other than magic beans that grow people larger to go and take care of this run game because it is a monster. Swift heard that trash you were talking early in the season about him. Like the first month of the season, DeAndre Swift was taking some shots on this show. Oh, I mean, he has been. When he wasn't running for what he was blocked for? Yeah. Well, that was Ben Johnson.

And then Jordan kind of clarifying and highlighting what big thoughts is. You're welcome. Deidre Swift is like the streakiest running back ever. This is the best stretch of his career, though. He is awesome. And Manungai is pushing him. I think there is something to be said for that. You see it sometimes when a veteran player is,

like wanting to find that little extra lever right that again and regain it and it's just it's hard to have it on all the time right at a certain point and Kyle Minangai comes in and he is physical and he can be explosive but he is running through people it is both of these guys together are buoying the offensive line which is in turn reflected in the way that they're blocking they've really come together as a unit and I do think this is the number one advantage of both sides of this game. It's easier to lean on the lever when you don't have to be on the field all the time. And Kyle and Gungai allows

DeAndre Swift to get those brakes to be explosive where we saw the 49ers being super explosive and I know Brock loves to take chances. He doesn't get gunslinger credit because the arm's not as big. But I don't think Brock can make the type of George down there somewhere. All right, Joanne

go get that against Nasham Ryan and Bristker and the rest of this bear's secondary. I think they will get the ball a couple times. And how about pro bowler, Kevin Byer, getting it done late in his career. They have three pro bowlers, and it was Drew Dalman, first pro bowl, the center, and Joe Tuny.

And then how about Kevin Byard in the back end? The thing I've really been impressed about Brock since he's come back, and you got that first game out of the way, really, is his decision-making. I don't think he's taking too many chances. I know there was a throw or two in the Indianapolis game, but he was right to trust the guys there,

and it wasn't too much. He's playing really high-level football, And I think both of these quarterbacks are not going to face much of a pass rush. But Purdy, because of his experience and the players around him and his coach, to me, against a team with no pass rush, they could actually do what the Packers did a little bit, which is keep that Bears offense off the field. That first half really stands in my mind. And I know they blew one situation near the goal line.

But they were averaging like seven yards for play against the Packers. And they didn't have any points because the Packers were going on these long drives. And I do think the 49ers could do that, especially if they have Kittle. Kiddle had an ankle sprain in that game. He said afterwards he does not think it's a high ankle sprain. So knowing him, he'll probably play through it, but you hope he's 100%. I like that you said that, Greg, because this is an opportunity for the most with Eusecheck, Kittle potentially, McCaffrey on the field, the potential for the vintage Isle-Shanahan.

Yeah, you got Matt LaFleur once, but you ain't getting me. Suffocation ball game. seen it before, can see it again. And the bears have one big advantage here. Well, first of all, they get a couple of extra days rest. That's a nice one. Secondly, they've been in these fights, these games, game after game, week after week,

and no slight to Philip Rivers here. But the 49ers, I wouldn't check this. I was like, when was last time they played a close game? It was like week four or five. Every single game, whether they win or lose, and they did get beaten a couple times with Mac, and with Brock it hasn't been close.

They haven't been in a close game since that Rams come back in week five. It's just kind of a weird thing that if it came down to the end, the bears do have a little magic that tends to happen late in these games. And that magic is Caleb Williams

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Let's go. The Rams are favored by seven and a half points in this game. They're going to the Falcons in Atlanta. Draft pick, it's all happening. Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, on the call. I'm introducing it just to feel a little more alive in this holiday week. Jordan, can you imagine any scenario

where the Falcons keep this close and make the Rams sweat it out? I mean, I've seen weird Rams games before. They lost to the Panthers this year. So, I mean, like, you know, but the Rams are, well, the vibe that I got, talking to people in the building at the end of last week, angry as hell.

And also, this is a, first of all, this is a draft pick game. Winning this helps them in the short and the long-term game. This is a, Matthew Stafford did not get a chance to be the one with the ball in his hands at the end of the game, which salts at him like you guys would not freaking believe. And this is also Sean McVeigh getting a little bit more sleep this week game. Oh. Against his buddy. Another, the baby is the reason for the line.

I mean, they literally put up 581 yards. We're on baby stat watch. And this, but this is Sean McVeigh against Raheem Morris. This is Chris Shula against Zach Robinson. The connections across the line of scrimmage for both of these coaching staffs. I respectfully say I give that edge to the Rams every single time. Regardless, if you're going to say entering the season, you're just looking at these matchups, you know, scheme over scheme, it's going to be McVeigh and the Rams.

It's kind of sad because he can help, you know, make this falcon. coaching staff, which is coaching for its jobs, look bad with a big time win. And yet you're right. They are angry. They are going to be trying a little bit harder. Let's listen to Sean McVay. This is in an interview with our friend, J.B. Long, during the week.

And that's irregardless of whether we want or not. I could point to a handful of plays that if we make them, but you know what we didn't. We're not victims. We're not going to make excuses. That's not who we are. That's not how we're wired. You give Seattle credit, but make no mistake about it.

This is going to strengthen us. And I just, I know it. Greg, you asked me, um, he knows it. You asked me at the end of our recap of the Thursday night game, which you could catch over on the NFL's stream and main channel. I know there was some concerns that we did not cover that game. We cover every game, guys. We cover every game.

I'm glad you brought this up. Just a little programming note. The live YouTube ones are now listed under the NFL. official handle, but ours as well, if you can go to the NFL daily and scroll down. If you look at the collaborations, you'll see our Monday night recap, Colts and 49ers. And you will see the one now they are collaborating. So you can find out the, just look at the, so we've got new friends here, the bottom of the page. Hello.

Hi. Sorry about us in advance, but we like you and we're happy you're here. You asked me during that recap, what do you think Sean McVeigh is going to be the angriest about? And I said, oh, he's going to be so mad at special teams, he won't even be able to see. Well, he fired his special teams coordinator. The first coordinator change that Sean McVeigh has ever made during the season. Chase Blackburn had been with the team for a couple of seasons. And someone named Ben Kudwika is taking over.

And they're going to get some help with an assistant coming in who was with the 49ers at one point. But this is a massive change to make, but they've lost multiple games. This sees actually all of their losses, special team. was a big contributor in those losses. Now, there are other reasons why they lost, obviously, but I think that Sean McVeigh had just had enough at this point. I think there's a lot of Rams fans that said about... Shouldn't you have thought about this in the offseason?

Yeah, I think there's a lot of logical people that think that. I think that's generally true, because it's the defense against the dark arts position in the NFL. Like, we see special teams coordinators go after wins, after losses. Like, it's constant just being rotated in and out where it's like, really was it this week? Like the plan just went that wrong this week that led to this? Also, it just seems like an organizational lack of emphasis.

One minute. The way he talks about some teams, some organizations emphasize special teams in the way that they construct their rosters. And even when you hear Sean McVeigh talk about it, it really stuck in my craw when they just decided to not compete on the kickoff last year. There was like, we don't want to try.

And just like, it's very anti-football. I would say that the number, one way to solve this problem is if Sean McVeigh himself spent more time on this problem. That's what I'm saying. He helps everything. And ultimately look, their offense is in an incredible place and they're playing

a defense with a lot of holes. And on the other side, they're playing against the Falcons offense that has been solid with Kirk Cousins, maybe even a little better. He's not making mistakes. It was mostly near the line of scrimmage last week and has like big time players. Kyle

Pitts might get over 1,000 yards. And shout out to Bijan Robinson. Just want to recognize this. He is the first player and only the second player in NFL history, along with Marshall Falk, if he can land the plane to average 5 yards per carry and 10 yards per catch in a season with at least like 200 rushes and 60 catches. He is over 2,000 yards on the season. He can make any good scheme look bad.

And he's just been dialing up about 170 yards every single week. He is incredible. Hosting identical stats, Bajon Robinson. Pay the man. You okay? Jordan making sure everything's all right. Everything's not all right for the Arizona Cardinals.

The defense has fallen off, Greg. The offense took its turn last week. They are seven point dogs at the Cincinnati Bengals. The over under is 53 and a half. Kevin Coogler and Moose Johnston on the call. How's this one go? It goes with a lot of points scored by the Cincinnati Bengals.

Having fun. You know what? I took away from that game in Miami. What was that? He's moving really well. Remember he had a foot injury earlier this year? He's got the special shoe. But he's always moved well,

but he talked about that coming into this season. And I thought it showed up early this season before he had the injury that I think he was looking even more athletic than he did earlier in his career. And he's always, you know, obviously moved well in the pocket. But I just think like it's another level, kind of like we saw Lamar go up a level.

I thought last year, going into the year, it's incredible. And this Cardinals' defense is just giving up like a 40 burger every week. It is tough. The Cardinals just signed Josh Cardi, the disgraced Rams kicker. Disgrace. Why is he disgraced?

That would mean he did something bad. He didn't do anything bad. The Cardi Party was a fun time. I mean, if he was a kicker for any other franchise, you wouldn't have called them disgraced. Josh Cardi is a very nice young man and I think he's going to have a great career ahead of him. I watched him at Senior Bowl all the way.

I watched probably every kick and every, you know, warm up kick of his entire career. And I think he's going to do just fine. However, when you're signed by the Cardinals late in the season, it does not look good for you in that moment of time with this Cardinals team. Also, Garrett Williams, unfortunately,

it's an Achilles injury and he's going to be on injured reserve to finish out the season. as will be Walter Nolan. So super, super disappointing season in so many ways for the Cardinals, but also two of their best players. Obviously, Walter Nolan really, really sparked when he was healthy. And Garrett Wilson is, excuse me, Garrett Williams is one of, you know, the more underrated corners in the league.

Really tough scene for Arizona on, for a lot of reasons, but more injury woes continue. It stinks for the next coach. If it's not Jonathan Gannon. and I know Ian Rappaport thought, you know, in his report, kind of summing up everything that there might not be changes. This is on track to be the worst Arizona Cardinals team of all time, which is hard to believe.

But in terms of the record, I think it's that the 17th game gets it worse. But if they don't win another game, they are the worst team. They are, by the way, without Kyler Murray in the Jonathan Gannon era, I mean, it's hard to just. They've played 19 games without Kyler Murray in the Gannon era. Do you want to guess how many they have won? one out of those 19 games. Three.

Three. Two. Oh, see, we were optimistic. Oh, but see, that was the cause of the whole vibe positivity in the desert, right? It was all Kyler's fault. And now, finally, that bad guy, Kyler Murray, is gone. And the team can get back to being professional in losing all of these games. But they did have one positive note.

Although Tray McBride Street got snapped, he's going to stop at 16 games with five or more receptions. Elijah Higgins played pretty well. So there's somebody to load up with targets. And they're playing against. the defense that's now fallen down to the second highest blitz rate behind the Minnesota Vikings, the Atlanta Falcons,

and nobody's gotten blitz more than Jacoby this year. And shout out to all the fantasy owners who have been riding that steady like 20 points a week from Jacoby. I mean, he's going to get it done for you, and this week it could be even a little extra. Also a little tankathon impact on this game. This is involving the teams

that currently have the number six pick and the number nine pick. His race was too strong. I should have used cast out. It's going to bother me. There's a few. The McVeigh castaways. The castaway.

The list grows. Yeah, there's a full island of them at this point. That'd be a good show segment. As a special teams coach this week. William Cohen swam back. One of those teams that's not the Bucks in the NFC South that is playing significantly better at this point in the season is the New Orleans Saints. Also, every team in the South, other than the Bucks playing pretty well right now. The Saints favored by two and a half on the road against Jordan, the Tennessee Titans,

who just thrashed the defending AFC champions, albeit without either one of their quarterbacks. Andrew Catalan, Charles Davis, and Jason McCordy on the call to the Titans who famously didn't have a legitimate win earlier this year, according to our friend Greg Rosenthal, get a back-to-back win

against the Saints this week. You know, I think they have a shot, but guess what? What's that? I've been describing the Tennessee Titans in this way all year, I think. But you know what I think of the New Orleans Saints at this juncture, Patrick? What's that?

Creditable. A creditable group. They are impressing me. The New Orleans Saints every week seem to improve in some form or fashion in every phase. Credit to them. Creditable.

And it's all about the quarterback. Like if Tyler Shuck wasn't playing like this, it would be nice that you're winning some games. You probably wouldn't have been winning these games if he wasn't playing like this because he is the reason that they won a few. But let's say like last week against the Jets, they're winning 9-6.

at halftime, he doesn't really look that good in the first half. His passes are a little all over the place. He might be playing through an injury, and then he balls out in the second half. And when he throws a pretty ball, and I think it's going to be important for him to get to the finish line here. After all the injuries that he went through in college,

he has taken some big hits. We're going to talk about Jackson Dart, and some of the big hits that these guys take are in the pocket. It's not, like, running or anything. it's true less so I think of Cam Ward even though he's taken a lot of sacks I think he avoids it better he's coming off his best game of the year

but yeah I think Chuck just keeping this excellent level of play going and getting to the finish line healthy I think it's going to be big these are the two best rookie quarterbacks in the league right now yeah and maybe an opportunity for somebody to stake that claim as the best rookie quarterback

conversation sub-pot wait I do have something about this this offensive rookie of the year chatter. The Saints fans, because they haven't had much to root for, are really getting in on this like, Chuck should be offensive rookie of the year, this, that, and the other. He's actually bumped up pretty

high in the odds for whatever that's worth. I think he's up to second or third where he's like not really that far behind. I think he's second right now. I think that's crazy. I think to win rookie of the year playing only nine games, and that's assuming he plays the next two, your performance would have to be

so exceptional that then you get into that conversation and you win it. If you miss half the season, I'm not hearing it if there's other good candidates. And also more of those nine games would need to be good. Albeit, Tyler Shuck has played pretty good here once we got into the stretch run. Creditable, if you will.

Those first few, not up there. Meanwhile, T. Mack has the Carolina Panthers contending for a playoff spot and he's been their clear number one. If you averaged out a Tyler Shuck game and gave him 17 of those, I would listen to it. Like, maybe that is the rookie of the year. But I agree with your point. It's not too amazing.

Speaking of rookie classes, while we go deep on this Titan Saints game. Let's do it. Also important for Tankathon. I think Harbaat, he'd be an interesting pick in Tennessee, by the way. They are only the second team in the Super Bowl era to have three rookies with at least 300 receiving yards. Elykeyeo, of course, to marry Dike.

And then Gunner Helm, who's been kind of frisky, at tight end and they all made some plays for Cam Ward last week so if you could guess the other team I would give you

a lot but I don't know if it would be good podcast I'll give you a big time hint it was in the last five years this

trivia this is where they just wait wait it's receiver play the 15 seconds slater yeah 15 it was the Packers

a couple years oh it just happened the everybody eats Packers I think the Titans wins Big upset pick in game debut.

Oh, wow. If only somebody picked the Titans to win against the Kansas City Peace. Good job by you. Good job by you. The antithesis of everybody eats. Folks are starving. It is the New York Giants on the road taking on the Las Vegas Raiders who were favored by one and a half because the Giants offense.

It was going up against Flores' defense was Kafkaesque yesterday. I mean last week where it was bizarre, uniquely horrible. Kevin Harlan and Trink Green there. The over under is 41 and a half. Who, what do we do with this, Greg? We watch. Do we? We don't watch.

We think about the professionalism of Kevin Harlan. Oh. Who was, what was he, what game was he on last week? Whatever it. The best one because he was calling it. Yeah. Whatever it was, it didn't have any. It was the Titans Chiefs now that I remember.

He approached that with all the energy and enthusiasm and great calls that he does every week. And they put him on this game. They're still higher up on the- Big Man with a lot of hair. High up on the totem pole because these are two big markets. It actually, you know, this is not the bottom game. And this could very well decide the number one overall draft pick. This is one and two in Tankathon, the only two teams with only two wins this season.

So it matters a lot. and the Raiders are coming in with some momentum after a good performance on both sides of the ball. I just, I'd like to imagine, if you will, some one-liners from Kevin Harlan that could be possible during this game. Just off the dome, I'm thinking, you know, and it's Pete Carroll getting the butt slap, you know, or, you know, Max Crosby, a menace. Like, we don't need no stinking tank for someone. who's going to have a big performance here where the Giants were in that game purely because I don't know who it was

where there's the office of line where there's J.J. McCarthy. They just leave Brian Burns on the end of the line and McCarthy is not looking at him. Brian Burns clearly like there's nothing impeding him at all. But it's a screen. It's a screen.

And they explained that. He, it was kind of unfortunate. It was a screen. It was more than unfortunate. That's not, they always leave like a free rusher on the side on a screen. You got to get rid of the ball. But he hurt his hand just two plays before.

And it was confirmed by KOC. I know we're talking about a team that's fine in this game. But it was interesting to me. And KOC and JJ confirmed it. And you can see it on tape. He hurts his hand two plays before. And he can't catch the snap in shotgun. And he tries to like get the ball with two hands.

And he just can't like hold the ball. So he's like pumping it. And so he knew he was trying to just dirt it. Because that's what you got to do if the screen's not going to work. and the screen wasn't going to work. There was a defender in his way. And so he's like fumbling with the ball with this injured hand and then just takes a brutal hit.

But that's what it takes. It takes that kind of calamity for the Giants to actually score football points. Calamity! Again, I don't know that this Raiders defense can simulate what the Vikings were able to do, but not a lot of calls for optimism for late season Jackson Dart and the Giants offense.

Dart sacked in the end zone. Calamity! I don't know. Ash and Genty had some moments. A lot of them. Good for him. And Drew Locke, he's doing the opposite of what I was talking about with Shuck. He is struggling to get to the finish line.

He is not getting helped out. His entire left side and center of the offensive line was hurt last week. He's not getting protected. But if you look at him in press conferences and then watch him on the field, it has worn him down. He is like, you know, the meme of like the president, a couple, you know, Barack Obama four years into his term or whatever. That is like Jackson Dart in one year of New York. Like, it's a little, he looks a little weathered right now.

And you feel that's the collective pressure of playing in the most important place in the world? That's it. I think it's more playing for an organization that fired the one guy that was actually helping you. And like sneakily, not that I'm like caping for Brian Davel, but they've been kind of lost on offense without Brian Dable. And like, that was his guy, Brian Dable. And if you want to develop a quarterback, it hasn't worked because he, it was tough to watch. I know it was against Brian Flores, but he looked as lost as any quarterback all season in that game.

Are you saying the Jackson Darts undergoing some sort of a physical metamorphosis? There it is. You know who also wants to put some good tape out there? Who's that? Dino Smith. For all the teams out there. Probably a backup next year. Maybe a 1B in a certain scenario.

One in our heart. I'd love him to be a backup like a. on a good team, and then, you know, if anything happens, there'll be it. But he's playing for a job and put out some good tape last week. It sounded like a threat for whoever's starting it, you know, from Craig. I don't want to see him on the Giants. It would be a shame.

Don't bring them back. You lost your chance. They had 15 runs in that. That was the most preposterous game of the season. I know not many of you watch it. They had 15 runs in that game before they threw a pass. The Giants. Kind of incredible.

That was it. I can't believe we did. They should have done 60. There were a couple of pass plays. where he just didn't get the pass off, but yes. We did it. We did it. We're not tired.

We're feeling great. We're okay. Everything is okay. Episode name. Patrick wrapped up his fantasy live for the season. I know mixed emotions there, but the host with the most on a great program. Does it all. Congrats to the fantasy live.

Yeah. Great that I was able to do a TV show where I was able to be me with first. really cool people with an audience that gets us. And so a lot like this show. So I have an embarrassment of riches in the people in my proximity. Secret weapon at NFL Network for a long time, Fantasy Live. We will take a little bit of a break, but in the feed, you will hear us a little later. Me, Cynthia Freeland, trying to keep the greatest streak in sports going.

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