NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 NFL Week 9 Late Games Preview

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview the late window of Week 9 action starting with the Chiefs at the Bills (01:10) followed by Cardinals at Cowboys on Monday Night Football (10:04), Seahawks at Commanders on Sunday Night Football (17:20), Jaguars at Raiders (24:13), and Saints at Rams (30:33). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And they would play at least once a year, very often twice a year. It's the SpongeBob meme. Yes. It's all of them running around outside and Joe Burrow is Squidward looking through the window. I'm sorry. I'm not putting Joe Burrow in that group. Wow.

No, no, he's looking through the window. No, I know. I'm apologizing to the Bengals fans or whatever. The other three is at a different level. Sorry. And they're out there. And the bills have been eliminated in the playoffs by the Chiefs in four of the last five seasons. They are seven and one against the rest of the NFL.

But this on CBS with Jim Nance and Tony Romo is a chance at revenge. They're winning in the regular season. Yeah, I was going to say, they always do it in the regular season. The Chiefs who are so high right now are two and a half point favorites at the Bills, the over under is 52 and a half. Greg, we saw an offensive explosion. It was against the Carolina Panthers. How does Joe Brady's unit fare against Spags and Company?

I think it's an opportunity to expose some of the Chief's defense that just hasn't been over the last month plus. If you had told us after like two weeks that the bills who were, you know, the desert's favorite team at the beginning of this season would be underdogs against a Chief's team considering how that started, like it really shows how. this season has flipped. But I think the fundamentals of what we kind of know about this matchup and what's good about the bills, which is that they are a great run-blocking team that has great continuity up front and in general have been able to run the ball against the Chiefs,

certainly in the regular season. They put up that 30 burger. That's not a thing. But it should be. They put up 30 points on them last year and they keep winning the regular season. I still think you can beat the Chiefs that way. And I do think they have an advantage. there. I think they're going to need to because they're not as dynamic throwing the ball as they have been in previous years. Yeah. And why go away from something that's working so effectively? I mean, James Cook is running like he didn't already get the contract. And it's incredible. And it's so fun to watch how this offensive line can just move people. It's awesome. I think that that's where you really want, like the bill's offense is scoring on 50% of their drives. It's a little bit more

a little bit more than that. That's only a few teams that are doing that. And so I think that part of it's because a huge part of it's because James Cook and this offensive line and also the the willingness to actually continue to let this be your identity when other phases of your offense, especially your passing game, has been a little disjointed. Some of it due to injury as well.

In this matchup where the bills have beaten the chiefs in Kansas City three consecutive times. Like you got to go back to 2019. for the last Chiefs win at home against Buffalo. And looking at this, right, because I've seen, I've seen Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs be more explosive this year and less explosive in the run game. They're going to miss Isaiah Pacheco for a large part of the season now. And so in comes Kareem Hunt, who has been able to kind of, oddly enough,

like rest up between the 20s and then come in in the red zone and get all these scoring opportunities where in fantasy like Kareem Hunt is the back that you want, and now it gets peppered into the offense a little bit more, and I wonder what that looks like on this team that hasn't been able to run the ball against the defense where that's where you want to get the bills in this situation

is not have Patrick Mahomes back there throwing the ball a whole bunch of time. So it's like this mismatch of styles and circumstances that I think are favoring Buffalo, oddly enough, where I'm looking at this matchup and like, yeah, I want to pick the chiefs to red hot right now, but considering the way things are going, I'm not sure. That's the Breeze Hall team.

they need a running back. You can't go with Kareem Hunt the rest of the season. Maybe they're a remandre team if he's somehow available. It doesn't really make any sense. I agree. And you know what?

And I'll be the first of me. I've been really critical of the bill's defense really since the start of the season. I think I've had good reason to be at certain points. But man, am I impressed with this guy, Dion Walker? Because not having Ed Oliver is obviously going to hurt them. That's a huge loss.

They're getting a couple guys back, got him back last weekend. Michael Hoyt, he's an inside outside player. He leaned out when he was with the Rams to become more of a pass rusher, but he has the capability to lean back in and play a little of like an even technique, interior alignment. And Larry Ogunjobie, who's, when he's been good, he's been really good. But this guy, this rookie out of Kentucky is just, he's got a run stop rate of 10% of his snaps where he's no gain or a loss. And that is among the best of any defensive tackle, second highest among any defensive tackle in the NFL with at least 50 snaps per next gen stats. He is really

forming the identity in the middle of this defense and we'll have to even do so even more with Ed Oliver out. Like he's a great example of just just take the big huge athletes. Yeah, he's massive. He is incredible looking. And their pass rush was last week.

So that's the hope. Yeah. They really haven't been ultra dynamic all season. But Rousseau showed up in that game and Joey Bosa showed up in that game and Epinessa showed up. Like it was their best pass rush game of the year. You're going to need it against

you know, the best quarterback in football. once again, Patrick Mahomes. And we're back in a place where we were a long time ago where, yeah, the Chief's passing game is significantly more dynamic in multiple than the bills. It is amazing in the NFL how identities can change so much from one season to the next. And yeah, if you're watching on YouTube,

like you just see the space that I think the other receivers are going to open up for Travis Kelsey for Hollywood Brown, like the secondary guys that Rishie Rice and Xavier Worthy helped to open up. And I think Patrick Mahomes is really comfortable back there. But it's not like Jalen Moore is a downgrade at left tackle. You know, they did have Trace Smith out last week. We'll see if he's back this week. But that's a big injury to watch.

If that continues, if he continues to be out like that, that is a place where the bills, I think, can take advantage. I feel like we're like trying to build the case for the bills because we don't actually believe it. What do you think? well i mean tray uh tray smith was limited uh in practice on wednesday okay that's a good sign so so there is that um i'm not necessarily making a case that the game it's it's a toss-up like at this point these two teams have so much familiarity but ed oliver

especially the early part of the season was the defense and and it didn't necessarily because you miss you know the majority of the game laid against the carolina panthers that was was against the 2025 Carolina Panthers with Andy Dalton playing. This is Patrick Mahomes. That's fair. Andy Dalton with a busted thumb as we found out.

Four finger to Andy Dalton. You should have pointed out. Yeah, that thumb is like a band name. It's bothering him. Four fingered Andy. I always look at the opposing linebackers against like a Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid team.

I mean, you can do that with almost any good quarterback in today's NFL. And right now it's Shaq Thompson and Tulane great Dorian Williams. Jack Thompson showed why he was out there last week with that play where he points out this tunnel screen that the Panthers are going to do and they literally got a pick six in part

because he pointed that out. I mean, Epinessa made a great play to pull it off. But do the chiefs put a circle on both those guys in terms of team speed and expose it with the players that they can flood in the middle of the field? I think you try to hit the perimeter against this bill's defense a lot because then you're avoiding what actually is turned into strength right smack in the middle of that defensive line. And let me say, they still have

issues shoring up against the run, but they're playing better to me. And you're avoiding a pass rush that's really come along. And you're getting short, quick passes and screens. Andy Reid has the biggest screen playbook in the entire NFL. Everybody talks about it with such reverence, all these other coaches and getting these speed players into the perimeter and into the flats. And I think that, first of all, stretches the linebackers wider than they want to be. And it asked the corners to come down and make plays. And I have not seen a ton of proof that they're capable of doing that regularly. I want to see, too, like, the Chief's defense in a tougher spot in terms of their secondary. Because I was thinking, like, what's changed since early in the

season that we think better of this Chief's defense? And a lot of it is they're getting good production from these guys you've never heard of in the secondary, which is what the Chiefs do. They signed Christian Fulton to a big contract. He hasn't played at all. I think he played like 15 snaps and then he got hurt again. But it's Noah Williams. And then their safety group, you know, Cook, Jaden Hicks has been playing pretty well out there. Some people know. They know now, but

maybe this is a game that just they know now makes there it is. I got you. Makes Josh Allen feel alive, you know? He was coming off that MVP award and sinners and love and marriage and it's like, can we get can I get as up as I used to be?

I think Patrick Mom's different people. Do we think sinners was a high for Josh? Yeah. well I know there was some tough lines in it but I think he was very proud of his life partner and what she accomplished there and he got to go on the press tour and it was fun and then like can you get us up for like a week four game against

whoever you know no but these are the games you live for Patrick they make you feel alive I disagree I think Josh Allen trying hard all of 2020 like I think Shohei Otani's been trying hard all along and yet he's a thousand percent more expressive in big time games

because I think he's, you know, feeling a little more and more alive. That's what he's doing it for, the big time spots. Yes, two very good players, very good at the things that they do. Let's go to Monday night football. The Arizona Cardinals at the Dallas Cowboys who are favored by two and a half. The over under is 54 and a half. The consensus greatest player in Texas high school football history returns. What does Kyler Murray do for the Arizona?

Consensus. It's consensus. Ever. ever it is amazing there's not a lot of people who disagree I won't say it's consensus I don't know anything 8 billion people on the planet

somebody in Sri Lanka probably disagrees what does it mean Jordan for the Arizona Cardinals do they want Kyler back well he's limited Jonathan Gannon's been kind of playing coy with the media about like whether Kyler is going to be able to go or not

whether it'll be another Jacoby Reset game so he's kind of been back and forth with them all week I'm actually surprised you're the revenge game king and I'm surprised you did not bring up a key. Oh, I missed a revenge game. Jenga point.

Jenga Peace revenge game. Because on the Dallas Cowboys sideline now, Clayton Adams, the former offensive line coach for the Arizona Cardinals last season when their run game was just absolutely mauling people on the reverse. Now the Dallas Cowboys looked like they got a little something special cooking in the run game most of the time, a few exceptions. They're on opposite sideline. Oh, the Clayton Adams revenge.

And, yeah, the stats would tell you, if you just look at the numbers. Inverted. Like the improvement for the Cowboys and the, you know, just falling through the floor for the Cardinals. Even before injuries. But even before injuries. Right. But the Cardinals and certainly Brian Schottenheimer would say, stats don't really matter. We're a football team.

It's three, four, and one. You can take the stats on offense and shove them up your ass as far as I'm concerned. I mean, is what it is. want to win, you know, and people talk about, hey, MVP and this and that. Dak Prescott doesn't want to win MVP. You know, he wants to win a Super Bowl. Wait, we're beeping. We're beeping. I was going to say, did he say a longer word than ass?

No, no, because this could be a problem for Patrick's idea for a segment, stats to shove up your shit. The, um, the rule is it, we're related to ass. Yeah. It can't travel. But these are stats. They're just, they're just things. that are in your brain.

Like that's not, so I don't think that qualified. Like Kyler Murray being 42 and O as a starting quarterback in high school. Unless you were like crumpling up like the piece of paper from like the Bill James baseball abstract. Yeah, that if it's literal.

Like physical. Like printing out pro football reference pages. Right. That would do it. I did read Kyler Murray as we, I look at the bewildered looks behind the glass. Eric's shaking his head. Not happy.

Kyler Murray. A lot of beep. 8 in O in Jerry World. 5 and O as a high school player. Got one done in college, too, with Oklahoma. And then there was another game where he was like a backup and ran around. I think, was he on Texas A&A? He was on some random team that played there.

And then as a pro. So he, you know, he doesn't lose here. He probably is starting. But Kingsbury, his former coach. Yeah. And be former coach of Cardinals. That's right. He is expected to play.

They are being coy to your point. But when the media was out there, he was taking reps with the starters primarily, which he wasn't previously. And they also have made it clear that when he is healthy, he is absolutely the starter. It's a Monday night football game. So it just, the practice information isn't as complete, but the people covering the team. I think fully expect him to play.

And I think it could be a big, you know, Trey McBride game, you know, going up against these lineback. I know it could be a big anything game going against. Yeah, the Iber Flues defense where it turns out the Washington commanders having their entire receiver room hurt was a big factor in the defense looking marginally better because they went

up to Denver and the Broncos like left some points on the board even where there was a drive where Cortland Sutton got a touchdown catch where there was offensive pass interference and then Cortland Sutton dropped a touchdown pass on the very

next day like very next play there were more points that they could have scored that they didn't because this defenses, what we thought it was two weeks ago. Yeah, and look, they're starting, you know, rookies at cornerback, well, who's the bridges that got like an early pick, but Donovan Azaraku actually is among the league leaders in rookie pressures over the last four or five weeks, but it's the rest of that pass rush just is not working for them.

And that's good. I think Gannon also talked about wanting to play to Kyler's strengths maybe in a way that they felt like they hadn't enough early in the season. They were getting pressed on it because Drew Petzing and Jacoby Brissette, who go way back and had known each other played with each other at previous stops or Jacobi had played for him at previous stops,

like there was a lot of conversation. We don't remember this as freshly because they had their biweek, but there was a ton of heat coming out of there locally at Drew Petting and how much cleaner and easier everything seemed to feel with Jacoby Brissette and some of the concepts that did play to Jacoby Brissette's strengths and that they weren't seeing necessarily for Kyler. Some of that is Kyler needing to stand in

the pocket a little bit more, but a lot of it was a huge conversation point. So I'm not surprised he came out and said multiple things. A, Kyler is the starter when he's healthy and B, that they do recognize that they need to actually, you know, adjust certain things to play to Kyler's strengths. They got to get this game. I mean, the Cowboys could feel the same way at three, four and one. It's a Monday night game. The Cardinals are two and five. They have the third hardest remaining schedule according to FDN. And so this is actually one of, if not like the easiest game they have less. They did have some good injury news before we move on. Walter Nolan, their first round pick, has been practicing. He's been activated, you know, off the PUP list, or the practice

portion of the activation. He's not on the roster. Same thing with Garrett Williams, who's a good young cornerback. Same thing with BJe Ojalari, who was a good pass researcher, who hasn't practiced since last August. He's going to be probably a couple weeks away. So they could have some players here. And I am curious, like, if a team could copy whatever Denver did last week, I know they don't have the horses, but in terms of mixing up their coverages and the blitzes, there are

a lot of similarities between the Cardinals defense and the Cowboys. Yes. I mean, in the Broncos. Especially if they get a little extra help in their secondary, especially if Garrett Williams, I know it just don't know. it sounds like he has a chance to play if he does play but like the way that denver was bracketing around the different receivers the cardinals yes absolutely the cardinals are able to do that and should it's time for the sunday drive presented by toyota let's go places it is the seattle seahawks

who are a three point favorite at the washington commanders the over under is 47 and a half mike terrico chris collinsworth this is sunday night football gregg the commanders look good with backup quarterback earlier in the season. Did not work out against the Kansas City Chiefs. What happens against a well-rested, very good Seattle Seahawks, Stephen? It's going to be tough, but at least it's going to be tough, apparently for Jayden Daniels. He is back at practice on Wednesday, and I think they're all cautiously positive that he is going to play this week. Unfortunately, he won't have Terry McLaurin.

He has already been ruled out with a quad injury that he suffered. you know, re-injuring his quad in the fourth quarter of that game, which is really frustrating. I noticed they're not calling it a hamstring either. They were calling it that at one point during the game, but they're not calling it that now. And I'm just, if you already know you're going to sign the player and you would like to avoid recurring soft tissue injuries because that player has had a chance to actually warm his body up through the course of a scheduled exercise training camp, Just do it. Just sign the player early.

They've had such a frustrating season and they're going to be able to blame injuries for a lot of it. But man, they are just thin at so many different positions that I think could be exposed in this game, whether it's their edge rush group, which is among the league worst. They're now pretty thin at the safety spot. And you think about that versus a Seahawks team that majors in explosive plays, that majors in plays down the field and you have a commander's team that has given up among the most amount. of explosive plays in the league. There are two things that I think really

kill the commanders here. It's the Seahawks being not only fast and explosive, but big and explosive as well. Because when they go into their heavy personnel sets, they're also getting these explosive plays out of those types of groupings and formations with multiple

tight ends who are able to do this. And also Jackson Smith and Jigbo, who's having one of the best seasons, if not the best season of any receivers playing right now. And that bodes very, very, very, very poorly for a commander's defense that not only is having trouble containing along the perimeter, but also containing and out, almost out muscling and out, because they just seem like older and slower to me. And they already came into this team rebuild under Dan Quinn

at an advanced age position for position. And you could see guys even getting blocked out of plays that should not be getting blocked out of plays. I hope to see a better plan for a guy like Frankie Louvo is one of their more explosive players on defense right now because when they use him as a spy against a quarterback who can move around a little bit, he is so often getting just mathematically taken out of the defensive plan by the offense that he has not really been a factor. So I just, I really feel like you need to have him at least covering a little bit more in the middle of the field and trying to get some pressure because they are banged up along their defensive line and they weren't getting a ton of pressure in the first place.

I'm looking forward to seeing, because Sam Darnold has been playing so well, and the last time, you know, the national audience saw Sam was in the game of the century and in the NFC North finale against the world. Well, I thought you meant Buck Seahawks, 405 a couple weeks ago. Oh, that was great. No, I mean, I mean everybody. I mean everybody watching on the number one show on television for the past 15 years on Sunday night football.

And, you know, it was a complete meltdown. from Sam in that situation and more people will see just how well he's throwing the ball, how early in some situations. And it's not like a detriment to the Seattle Seahawks offensive line, which I think has played well. Like in that match up against the Houston, Texas, if you're

watching on YouTube, the exact play I'm thinking of where Sam Donald is getting hit as he throws and he's already made the decision to throw the ball to JSN. He already knows that JSN has won on the route against one of the better secondaries in the NFL. And if they can do that to the Houston Texans, where I know,

Marshawn Lattimore got the win. He got a chance to bully Hollywood Brown and got a pick against the Chiefs. But it's tough to imagine them bullying the way that the Seahawks are playing

right now on offense and defense. Laramie Tunsell also out of practice on Wednesday. And man, it's funny, these are two second year coaches and you think about how the commanders got out the gates. But man,

there aren't many teams. This is crazy to say with Darnold. There aren't many teams that are in a better position, I think long term than the Seahawks because you think of the Yawks, because you think of the young players that are developing.

Are the commanders doing that? If you look at their recent drafts, like not a ton. And you have young guys like Byron Murphy who's developing, Elijah Royo is becoming a good player. Nick Eman Worry. Yeah, like in this in the secondary. We called it. Third safety.

We love it. Like, you're going to. Biggest nickel corner in the history of the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like the power slot of, like that we see from receivers. Like, now you don't even know how you're going to use them. Because presumably, I think Devin Witherspoon will finally be back for this. this game in Julian Love, who hasn't been

out there, and they just, they have an identity, they have a system. Man, Seattle minus 3. That might be coming up on my show with Cynthia a little later in this week. Let's take a break, and we're going to wrap up the week 9

slate a little later. Yeah, so those prime time games aren't that good this week. What do you mean? I just mean the early games are better. The early games are better. They would like to flex. That was the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places. Toyota is all-in, all-season with another year of Toyota game day giveaways, giving football fans the chance to win big every week of the NFL season.

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Every Wednesday, we take a journey here, Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. We start just as young, innocent people. And by the end, I just feel old and grizzled. we've made it to the end of the line the last couple of games Chris Wesleying by the way would really be enjoying this Jonathan Taylor season that's a completely random thought that just popped

into my head but he loved him some Jonathan Taylor back in that COVID 2020 season a great season that he's having he's not playing in one of these two games coming up I just threw you for a loop because I want to test you as a host I'm looking down I will fail that test every single

time, Greg. Don't talk about my friend Patrick that way. Not a good pop quiz guy. No, your friend Patrick knows. Not his strong suit. Jacksonville Jaguars. Had a chance to rest on the by and maybe chance to rest here week night as well. Three and a half point favorites against the Las Vegas Raiders.

The over under is 45 and a half. Chris Myers and Marks Lareth on the call, but Jordan, it's different now. That's Tyler Lockett is back with Gino and Coach Pete. What's it going to mean? Deep side from Greg. Did you know you did that? That was very audible. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, well, I think we're going to see a lot from the Jaguars offense. If I can just start there. Because this, what I really think is we're going to see. We always talk about coaches coming out of a bye. We've never seen Liam Cohen come out of a by week as a head coach and what he can do to make this passing game especially look more cohesive. I've been really impressed with, for the most part, the way that.

that they've been able to run the ball in Jacksonville all year. But this passing game has felt disjointed. Developing a truer identity, I think, for Travis Hunter is big. They've talked, there's been a little conversation about that over the last couple of weeks of maybe getting him more involved on offense as well. And his target share has gone up over the last couple of games too while his target share on, or excuse me, his snap share on defense has gone down. But also, you know, getting all of these receivers on the same page,

getting a clean game from Trevor Lawrence. It's all of these things at once. Getting this offensive line playing like it started the year as, which I think they can against a pretty decimated Raiders front that only really has Max Crosby rushing the passer right now. Yeah, I'm curious what the Raiders like look like on offense coming out because the last couple of games before the buy, I wanted to start calling them the don't want to be here offense.

That really rings off the tongue. They just were the, I just don't want to be here anymore. They did not look like they wanted to play professional football anymore. They weren't really trying. They won one of those two games, by the way. It was against the Titans and like they didn't let Gino throw the ball more than four yards. And then the next week against the Chiefs is just like the energy and the lack of ambition. Like it felt like they were aiming to be.

than mediocre and they couldn't even get there and they will have brock bowers back that's obviously just huge and they will presumably have jacobi meyers back who says yes i would i would like to be traded and still and maybe he will that was what i thought the tyler locket signing could be about but that's a pretty big downgrade if if that's what they do i don't want to be here also also famously the eric bledso tweet uh from 2017 uh when he was just he was done in phoenix and tweeted i don't want to be here. And it worked out. So shout out to that. And I don't want to dump on this game too much because we got two

the two Heisman finalists from last year facing off against each other literally because Travis plays both ways, unlike in some matchups when we say guys are going head to head. They never see each other. Travis and Ashton Genti could play against each other on the same play. There's excitement there

and a chance to see how they incorporate him into the offense a little bit more, perhaps as the primary receiver. in some situations here against the Raiders defense where yeah, you can work on some. I believe that when I see it because he's just been a slot only guy

and they force fed him the ball in what was ultimately garbage time against the Rams. You can be a primary receiver out of the slot. Sure. Especially in this offense. Liam Cohen did that with Chris Godwin a couple of years ago. I'd love to see it, but he seems like he has further to go.

It's the same conversation every week like on offense than he does on defense where like he's putting up really good reps against like Devantiaz and it is and it is very valuable that he can do that because I think he's their best outside cornerback yeah that's the consistent problem for travis hunter the wide receiver it's not technique or reps or understanding the offense it's Travis hunter the cornerback is the best cornerback for the jacksville jaguar well and and that Trevor lawrence is throwing him the ball and Trevor Lawrence hasn't been consistently accurate or at least comfortable in this system so

that used to be something Trevor Lawrence was really good at was pocket presence with all of his defenders early in his career. We're like, well, he avoids sack. He's good in the pocket. Like, that Trevor Lawrence needs to come back. Because to me, he's not good in the pocket right now. He is taking sacks. A lot of the sacks the last few weeks were on him.

And he has the worst completion percentage in the NFL against zone coverage right now. And so this is like, you have to be better when you're a spatial manipulation offense, which is what Liam Cohen wants to be. You have to be better at throwing against zone. And he's just not. And so that's where I'm like, okay, this offense. scheme, especially in the past game, it's out of the same coaching

tree that we see all over the league. It is built to exploit zoning defenses. And we have a quarterback who is, like, statistically the worst in the NFL throwing against zone coverage right now, according to next-gen stats. Like, that's a huge problem. Well, we got Pete Carroll and

a man-heavy team without a lot of, like, talent here for the Raiders to hopefully solve. Maybe they're not being heavy as... No, they're zoning. They're 804% of their snaps. perhaps a team-wide edict, sit down in the windows. We're not carrying through the windows. Sit in the windows.

Be a pie. Get in the windows. You look for Trevor. You don't move. And then maybe everybody will feel a little bit safer over the middle for the Jacksonville Jaguars. You guys ready to get to our last game. Here.

Let's do it. Sure. Because Tyler Shuck is going to start. He's bled sewing. He's bled sewing. He's the remainder of the season. Jordan Rodriguez. He's taking on the Los Angeles Rams who are favored by 14 points.

They're going to do it at SoFi Stadium. Welcome to the league, rookie. Here's the Rams defensive front. The over under is 43 and a half. Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma are there. How do you expect this one to go? What could go wrong, honestly, for Tyler Shuck against one of the most exciting young group of past rushers and interior defensive linemen in the entire NFL, also coming

off of a buy, also with their defensive coordinator scheming really well around some deficiencies that they've had on the perimeter. without Darius Williams, without Akella Witherspoon. Well, they've had Darius Williams. She's banged up without being able to play as aggressive in coverage. That pass rush is getting home. I just think they're going to be an absolute nightmare for Tyler Shuck. Who has, in Greg's words, seen a lot of football.

He hasn't seen a lot from the field, though. You know what I mean? Like, he's seen it from the sideline. That's how you call people old. Yeah, I get it. I just mean, Spencer Rattler is a much more experienced quarterback, which is another reason to get Shuck on the field in a way. is that this guy just hasn't started a lot of games in his career,

despite that age because of all the injuries that he had throughout his college career. I think if you were going to look at a positive, and I think he was okay when he came in last week, maybe he'll give these receivers more one-on-one opportunities. Rattler was playing it pretty close to the vest. Now, I don't know if they've earned it. Like, Alaves had a lot of drops. Like, they've lost contested catches.

Juan Johnson's had a lot of drops. But maybe a little daring do, a little throw it up to these guys. Because that should be an advantage on paper for the Saints in this matchup are the receivers versus those Rams corners. Should be. I mean, they're much more talented. Shaheed. Is, I, there's been.

Olabe, Shaheed. There's been. It falls off a little bit. Bailey. Those guys. I do think, because I know there's Bill's fans out there who have like Rashid Shaheed dreams. it seems like the pay structure here where like it wouldn't make a lot of sense to me

for the Saints to trade the one asset that they're not spending a lot of money on right I keep hearing it's like that teams would rather teams would want Rashid Shaheed like the most of the Saints I was like yeah yeah of course yeah he's great so with the Saints you would think so this is a big game here because here's what the Rams haven't done

in eight weeks into the season they haven't beaten an NFC team what a weird schedule they are 5 and 0 against the AFC. They finish their AFC schedule. They are the champions of the AFC South. They also beat the Ravens in that like one extra game. That's very strange. They're 0 and two

in the NFC. They got to start stacking up some conference wins. Puka Nakua and Rob Havenstein should both be back this week. They're limited early in the week in practice, but Sean McVeigh told reporters that they're trending in the right direction. That guy has no poker face, so I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth

here that they'll be back. This is also stick with me a bit of a Brandon Staley revenge game. Oh, yeah. I mean. But inverted, but inverted because Brandon Staley was the one who got the job over Chris Shula several years ago. And now Chris Shula is coordinating one of the best

defenses in the NFL. So it's a reverse revenge game, right? Yeah, no, it's just a revenge game. He did springboard into a head coaching position because he coordinated Sean McFey's defense. I am. Everyone's friends. So, we've been surviving, guys.

Yeah. We have survived. We've been thriving, I would say. With some big names. Not just surviving. We haven't had to sweat one out. In fact, you could say, I think, one, three, four, five, these are the top five offenses in the NFL. We do not have the bills available anymore.

We don't have the lines available. We don't have the Packers, the Chiefs, or Danny Dimes in the Indianapolis Colts. So I ask you if the Coach Shula revenge game against Brandon Staley, are we taking the Rams to keep taking these top offenses? We're not going to have a lot to choose from here in a few weeks. Do we want to get risky now or later? I'm kind of shocked to show with me on it, has waited this long to pick the Rams. I think it's easy.

I was thinking of getting frisky with the Seahawks on the road, but why go crazy on the road, especially against Jaden Daniels when you have Tyler Chuck at home? I'm sure there'll be some Saints fans here. Of course. They're familiar. I saw Tyler Shuck in the. preseason against

the Chargers. I can't even remember. It was the Chargers. Oh, he's got familiarity with the facility. Yeah, he knows what to do. He knows where to... Seen a lot of football. Go to the locker. Uh, yeah, well, let's go Rams. Rams is our choice. Good luck to the Rams. We're all counting on you.

We've been on fire all season. We really are. I think I think we sweated out like a half with the bills in week four. I forget what that game was. Where the Titans started out a little fast in that game. And then since then, it's just been like kicking our feet up and

just enjoying a big fat blowout. Fun week here in the studio. And caring a lot. Yes, but we're not done yet. We learned a lot. We learned about the different ways you can use the word in this show. I think that one is okay.

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