NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 Week 13 Thanksgiving & Black Friday Games Preview: GB-DET, KC-DAL, CIN-BAL & CHI-PHI

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Real ball-knowers understand that the important football is played from Thanksgiving on... and this year, the matchups are spicy, the teams are desperate and the stage is set for a special slate of NFL action in Week 13. Gregg Rosenthal, Jourdan Rodrigue, Colleen Wolfe and Steve Wyche convene for a preview of the Thursday and Friday games; Green Bay Packers at Detroit Lions, Kansas City Chiefs at Dallas Cowboys, Cincinnati Bengals at Baltimore Ravens, and Chicago Bears at Philadelphia Eagles. Make sure to stick around until the very end for a 'souprise...' NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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where we recognize Thanksgiving as the best holiday on the board. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm talking to a group of skeptical people, Steve Weiss, Colleen, Wolf, and Jordan Rodrigue. You're not with me? I'm leading all in. No, no. Okay. I'm leaning all in.

It's good. It's ours. There's not as much, like, pressure, you know? It's just, like, food, it's centered around the food. What if you're making food? And then you will be defined on the recipe and how you execute it. That's a little bit of pressure. You know what?

Talk about it. But, Colleen, you know, the big. The bigger issue with Thanksgiving is to clean up. Oh. Because people will bail in a heartbeat. I can't. With people who don't clean as they go. Plus, you know what?

I'm a clean as I go. Yeah. Plus you know what else Thanksgiving is? What? American. You know, Christmas. I mean, what's caused more strife in world history than religion? I could divide the people.

Thanksgiving brings it together. Thanksgiving. Only the colonization of Native Latin. Yeah. I was going to say. I was going to say. I'm not going there. Yeah.

It is amazing. is American, Greg. I always climb into bed and read about it at night, too, and feel real bad. Okay, I've lost my notes. I'm just going nuts. I almost hit Steve a couple times. This is our Thanksgiving show, and this is going to be the same crew for our week 13 preview. We're really making some progress here.

We're into the teens. But, yes, it is a double show day. The shows will go up separate, though. And, man, we've got bangers on Thanksgiving. I do want to warn you early in the show. we are also going to tack on just a little segment at the end. Colleen suggested this as a joke over text, but I'm taking her up on that.

No way. We will be drafting soup. What is the best soup at the end of the show? Eric famously last week said he did not believe soup was masculine. What? That's what you said? Essentially. I did not say not masculine.

I just feel like it's a waste. Like if you're going on, you're ordering soup, what are you doing? You took your comment. No, he knows what I'm talking about. He said it's not really like a thing that men should be doing. It was the soup is for women Instagram thing that we set.

Yes, that's what you're... So we're gonna prove how great soup is, one of the great things that you can have in the world. Food, Thanksgiving. So we'll wrap the show with that. That's definitely what people are going to Thanksgiving dinner for,

is soup. No, it's... The soup actually has nothing to do really with the Thanksgiving show, but it's food. The soup came up last week And let's talk ball Greg just blowing up the group chat Packers

Lions This is Potentially the best Thanksgiving slate Since I've worked here At NFL Network That's like 13 years And in this game in particular Packers Lions

Might be as important A game as we've had On Thanksgiving ever Really these two teams Steve who both started the year with real Super Bowl hopes, and I'm not saying it's over. But whoever loses this game is in a tough situation. They're really going to be in third place in this division

with not that many games to go. It means a lot for both these things. Well, especially Detroit, because in Green Bay we'd have the sweep over them if it does come down to a tiebreaker. So that's huge. And I think this is going to play out the same way because as much as the lines can look good

and this and that, their offensive line is not what it was. They lost some people. They've had some injury issues. A couple guys are really held together by tape, you know. And so that Packers defront, they're coming for you. And they're getting better overall. So I think if this is going to play out just like the first game, when Michael Parsons just showed up like, okay, I'm going to wreck everything.

I think it could play out the exact same way. And the Packers defense is coming to this game, playing very well, coming off one of their best games. I should have mentioned. We don't have Patrick here who usually is like reading. the lines and the announcers and whatnot. It's a two and a half point line. And of course, because it's Thanksgiving.

It's the most watched games all year. You got the A team with Tom Brady and Burkhard. Yeah. It's striking how we've always known Jared Gough and pressure do not go well together, right? We've always known that. But it's so striking, especially with what Steve mentioned is the issues with the offensive line, how dramatic the juxtaposition is with Jared Gough when he is getting pressured.

And the Packers are doing it in a variety of ways. outside, inside, they're sending blitzes, they're sending Sims, like they're, where it looks like they're going to pressure, but then they back off. Like, it's just there, it's very confusing for any quarterback to handle. Jared Goff is completing just 46% of his passes against pressure with per next gen stats, two touchdowns, two interceptions. When he's clean, without pressure, 80% completed passes, 19 touchdowns, and two interceptions. So the name of the game for, for Green Bay is hassle and worry, Jerry. Heat him up. Do everything you can to contain

Jamir Gibbs, who's playing lights out right now. That's exactly what I was going to say. I'm not sure how when they have Michael Parsons able to put this much pressure on the quarterback and then play this well against the run, how, I mean, obviously the lions generate so

many points and they have so many different things that they can do. But with Jamir Gibbs being such a big part of the offense's success and Jared Goff in general, how are they going to get things going? Because I think that the defense for the Packers is really going to be the star of the show on Thanksgiving when we're used to Dan Campbell

kind of being the guy and pulling things off because it was that Thanksgiving game how many years ago now where if they didn't, where is it the bills that they were playing? They didn't quite win the game, but it was the first time where everyone was like, oh my God, wait, the Lions,

they put up a decent fight here and they looked really good. And then after that, it was the second half of the season that they completely took off. That is a great memory. They lost that game. 28 to 25, and yes, then they won five out of their next six games to finish that season, nine and eight.

How about the big brain on Colleen today? That's a great, that's a great. Everyone is shocked, including Colleen. Look at the big brain on Colleen. It's one of the few times we were like, wow, that was actually a good Lions Thanksgiving game because usually it was like, okay, let's just blow through that until we get to the Cowboys game. But now it's must-see television. Jamir Gibbs, the first time they played, nine carries 19 yards.

That's different. I mean, they're a different football team right now, but so are the Packers? I mean, if they clog up the middle of that line, there's going to be no lanes for Gibbs to hit. My head agrees with all that. And I think the Packers are coming into this game overall, having more answers. And yet, these teams are close enough to me. I do think, you know, forget about, you know, holiday magic, Thanksgiving magic for the Lions as a home team. And yes, Jemir Gibbs at a point last week where, you know, I saw someone point out, like, that game last week, like, that's what it was like being around when Barry.

was around. Like a game where a running back and just put you completely on his back and if there is a way to attack this Packers defense they're good overall

in general but I'd rather do it on the ground. He is playing a higher percentage of snaps than he's ever played. He's getting a higher percentage of touches

than he's ever done and so can I see Jamir Gibbs just having a moment here on Thanksgiving and when I look at these teams overall even though there's some

weaknesses here with the Lions they seem like a parent teams that should split. And so I'm just believing in like the holiday magic of it all that somehow Detroit finds away because that's a great home fan base. Last week they were chanting, let's go lions, let's go lions, while they're losing to

the Giants. I don't think there's another fan base in the league that wouldn't be like so sad and disappointing them. Instead, they're lifting up their team. No paper bags anymore. No paper bags. I mean, that's what Dan Campbell's got this team. This is going to be a good game.

And you know what? The Lions defense just gives them credit. Oh, I love this defense. I mean, the way they're playing, they're not going to make it easy for Jordan Luff. Aidan Hutchinson is playing as well as any edge rush or outside of Miles Gear at the NFL. It's fantastic to see the combination of talent and coaching meet at each other where it has for Detroit's defense this year under Kelvin Shepard. These guys play fast. They're tough, even when they were known as the Legion of Whom, when they were missing and they've been missing so many people in the secondary self-named also, like that they just brought it.

every single week and they really have been such a steadying force until last week until last week but i mean james's game yeah weird stuff yeah weird stuff happens okay i'm gonna call that one an outlier on this season um and it's this defense is so excellent and we cannot forget guys jordan love is playing with like basically one working arm right now and was even handing on handing out off with the opposite arm last week so we really have to watch out for that in this game quickly does kelvin sheper get some interviews even if he's not necessarily this is exactly where it's going. Exactly. He may not get a head coach job, but a lot of people do these interview these guys like, okay, maybe not this year, but next year we won't have on our

radar. Well, just the way that he is on the sideline, I feel like that his energy is so palpable and you can see how his players respond to him. Aaron Glenn was the same type of way in Detroit, but to see Kelvin Shepard in that role is just, I don't know, it's different. He has this, like, aura about him almost. Like, I want to run through a wall for him. It's a little bit of Robert Sala when he was If Jeff Hathley is going to be a darling of this coaching cycle the way a lot of people are projecting

him to be, Kelvin Shepard should be right up there with him because of the job that he's done. Well, this will be a big showcase for him on Thanksgiving because I do think the Giants expose a few things like in their zone coverage last week. You got to be a talented quarterback to hit those honeyhole shots

over and over in the zone and James just kept doing it. And Jordan Love can do that and then some. And I do think their receiver group, Dobbs and Watson, like people are kind of falling into the roles that they should be in. We'll see if Josh Jacobs plays in this game, but it's going to be a real test.

I think it could be a little bit of a score fest despite all the talent. I think it's all defense. I think it's all defense. And I think Green Bay's defense has to take over this game early. And if they do, then they'll win. My favorite rep of the entire Packers game last week was when Michael Parsons kind of selflessly blows up the middle of the Giants

not the Giants the Vikings offensive line and absolutely steam rolls to interior alignment and he knows he's just taken one for the team on a stunt so I think it was Rashan Gary or one of the defensive tackles comes in and gets the sack and Gary is playing well that way when you have that sort of buy-in I think

from Parsons who's just doing everything right now like showcase for him too a lot of guys who's freelance and try and get the tackle he's like nope let me pick the guys who the other guy gives a plug. Human Shield. Big day for Brady, too. I think he's progressed this year. I think he's better as an announcer. They moved this game from 1230 to one Eastern, which I didn't like. I like that it was always so early on Thanksgiving, but now it's at one. And so Brady, a little bit of a showcase, like I said, the two most watched games of the year will are very often these two

games. And yes, they're saying that the most watched game, maybe of all time after Thursday, it's kind of the expectations, will be Chief's Cowboys. Chiefs are three and a half point underdogs. By the way, am I the only one taking the lions there? I'll make you guys pick this one this week. I'm taking the Packers. I'm going to pack. I'll go lions.

I'll go lions with you. Colleen was in a tough spot because I know what Colleen's move is with all the picks. She just likes to be the one person that takes the opposite. It's working. It's working. It's working. Hey, the Falcons put out. Wait, yo.

Okay, the graphic they put out with it. I was like, whoa. I saw that. I was just like, all right. And I guess I'll go with it too, but, like, that's kind of racy. That's a little spicy. It was a social media manager's version of the U-Up text. I know.

I mean, I was like HR because it was like Falcons administration. I absolutely loved it. And if you're watching on YouTube, you can check it out. And look, it's on everyone else, by the way, that works for NFL Network. Why was only one person taking the freaking Atlanta Falcons over the New Orleans Saints? Give me a break. Got you. Okay, on to the big game.

Chiefs, Cowboys, loving that it's coming at this particular point in the season. Chiefs favored by three and a half points in Dallas. We have the CBS crew with Nance and Romo. You say, wow, because you think that's a lot for the Chiefs to be favored by or a little. And I say, Steve, that I love that it's at this point in the season because the Cowboys, I think right now, have done the thing that the Cowboys always do, which is they got their fans hopes up. There actually is a

path here where you can see that they're a pretty complete team. The Chiefs are coming off, you know, maybe their most important win of the entire season. What made you say, wow? Because it's in Dallas. Because the home game, you know, the three, the Chiefs being the favorite there.

And like this game is going to be so good because both of these teams are lost for either one of these teams. It's not it, but especially for Dallas, that's kind of it because that's where the tie will work against him. That'll count more so as a loss than it will as a win. But I just think

this is one where the Cowboys, as well as they're playing defensively, don't have an answer for Mahomes with his feet. I know Oversone could cover a lot of ground, but this is where Patrick Mahomes, he comes to the line of scrimmage, get overshone to come, dump it in over his head, body. And I think Rashie Rice going back home is going to do his thing. But, man, Dallas,

they're playing so well on both sides. of the ball, you know, who knew that not skinny Quinn and Williams individually was going to work. Oh, I love it. But the fact that he tandems with Kenny Clark, they are destroying offensive lines together. I see, Jordan. Yes, I was the lone voice here who actually really, really admired what the Cowboys did in that trade, bringing in Quinn and Williams and making sure that they're setting themselves up, not just to try to get better through the course of this season but for 2026 to actually be a complete unit when the season starts and they're playing so much better they have improved i'm not willing to put my faith in this defense all the way yet

no but they are playing much improved and the second thing that i absolutely love one of my most favorite things that i've learned on being on this show is i love having my priors confirmed by my priors about brian schottenheimer oh yeah we do shot he was going to be fine yeah and and this offense and how much fun it is and how, like, the thing that is great about this offense to me isn't just that they're productive and explosive, right? And that Dax's playing great. The run game's good. They're a matchup offense. They can hurt you and morph around your vulnerabilities. They just did it to the Eagles. We were talking last week about them needing to break tendency and run some really efficient play action and really pick their spots for Dax play action. And he had 174 yards off

of play action passes, almost half of his passing yards last week, even though they don't like to run it a ton with him. And they still stayed true to their rate of usage while maximizing the spots that they picked to particularly attack where the Eagles had shown some vulnerability.

They are a matchup team the way that you want a matchup team to be formed when it makes a playoff run. But they're doing it right now because they really have nothing to lose. They've got no choice. Yeah, and it's so much fun to watch. I think that Zach Prescott will out duel Patrick Mahomes in this game.

I just think C.D. Lamb, George Pickens has been playing so well. And C.D. Lam's going to want some of those plays back from last week. It's at home. And like you mentioned, they're underdogs. So this would be a home upset for them. And it's the first. I'll do him in yards or like impact plays and the timing of the impact play. The timing of the impact play. But you know what? CD Lam's got to go on. I'll go both. Okay. I'll go both. All right. And this is also Patrick Mahomes is first time starting at AT&T Stadium. He's never, which is kind of an interesting.

Not even in high school? I don't think so. When are those championships down there? That's hard to believe, right? So much to tell him about the sun flare. Or maybe it is the first time he's starting there in the NFL after having started there before because it wouldn't make sense that he was never there in high school. See, this is where, you know, you talk about DAC in the matchups and things like this.

Like other than Sean Payton, which coach loves the screen game more than anyone? Andy Reid. I think he's going to screen the Cowboys to death. I think this is going to be one of these games where Kareem Hunt, be it a tight end, be it Rishiris, be it worthy, they're going to screen, they're going to do these 10-play drives type of things that we see them do

from time of time. And they're just going to get them early on horizontal, horizontal. Let's fatigue them and then pop. And they did that so well last week. They had a patient game plan and they ran from under center way more than they have for the rest of the season. and they were effective in, like, moving the ball very slowly.

They were back to that Chief's offense that we've kind of gotten sick of watching the last few years. But it's crazy. The reason I think they're favored is because, like, the numbers love Kansas City this year in a way that they did not like them at all last year. Like, for instance, they are one of the best three teams in a stat, which seems like it should matter,

yards per drive of the last five years. The other two teams on that list are other Chiefs teams. And they are moving the ball well. It's just taking a while. So it's a great time for this to happen because it's such a good test because the Cowboys are really playing well against the run in general. I know it's only a two-week sample, but ninth in EPA per play overall over the last two weeks.

And we're playing better against the run really all season. That's just sort of what their personnel looks like. And Quinn and Williams is coming off the most pressures he's ever had in an NFL game. Like, period, was last week. And he has the most of any defensive tackle since he added. So you think it's all Quinn and Williams, and that's been huge. but adding overshone, adding Malik Hooker, who was also hurt, adding Donovan Wilson, who's another starter who was also hurt.

Bland was out for a while at cornerback and is now healthy again. So it's not just one guy, and it's a really good test of like how patient they want to be with the running game, Kansas City, and how they look without Trace Smith, which is a big loss. They're going to be without. Real quick, when you were talking about how the chiefs go, these long drives, I get through the air, the idea bubble over Jordan Teth, like, cover two shell. Cloud coverage. The problem is that's what...

Number two show. That's what Patrick Wilms, I know, is so good at. Yeah. It's so annoying. Steve reads me. Like, oh, my God. No one's going to let him get beat deep. I also loved what you said, Steve, about the screen game

because you're probably not going to have a lot of success. The Chiefs haven't had a lot of success running the ball, especially between the tackles anyway this year. And so, and you're going to have a hard time, I think, against the way that this mid-season rebuild of the defensive line. line has gone for the Cowboys. So I like what you said about the screen game because a lot of teams, and Andy Reid also does this,

thinks about it as an extension of their mid to wide zone. And so if you know you're not going to get much movement in the middle of the field, then you split out to the sides. And you just consider that as a part of your run game. You're using more players in it as well. And that, I think, is what's helping them, I think, reassess the space that they're attacking when they can't get much right in front of them. By the way, I have the answer here.

Patrick Mahomes. He played his final collegiate game at 18 Nadia. And threw for 586 yards and six touchdowns. Thank you Drew Christensen for the assist. Wow. Who Texas Tech beat? Former Baylor.

Researcher. Wow. That was fast. Good job. Big one. I'm curious to how Spagnolo and Chris Jones in particular play in this game because last week it felt like

the Chiefs that we've known before. Yeah, it really did. In that Spagnolo had so many different pressures in the second half of that game, that it was got to have it downs, and he completely won the matchup after he figured out what Shane Stuyken

was doing. Like, he had a great game. And then Chris Jones got them off the field like three times, like three different times on third down. He was the guy. And so it's just that creeping feeling if you've watched the NFL over the last seven years. Better late to never. Oh, is this happening again?

But it's a really tough matchup against this, this cowboys often. It can't see he loses, man. I don't want to do where the chief's done is the dynasty over. I will, I'm not going to say what I would do. They could survive like one more. I would like, I'm not. Producers are like, damn, that was going to be on the rundown to it. I'm rooting for the cowboys.

So I'm just going to take the cowboys. Just because I want, I want that feeling of rooting for something that you almost know for sure is not going to happen. That's actually part of sports. how I felt watching the Colts last year I just I just build them up to let them down I just yeah I just I like I almost know for sure they're going to lose because that's just what happens like the chiefs will win this game and I sound like you're rooting I just want to be disappointed I don't know I don't think you're right I think that the chiefs are that the cowboys will win but I'm okay no no no no no no I'm picking I'm picking the Cowboys I'm picking the Cowboys I'm picking the Cowboys all year so I got to

whoa yeah I love that um yeah maybe maybe Cowboys mix it up a little bit Mahomes his numbers against man coverage have been terrible this year. Mix it up, Cowboys. We also have some NFA Gaeli listeners. They got some guys who can play men. A lot of the NFL Dalyans out there listening to this show. We got a couple more big games for the Thanksgiving and Black Friday set up. We'll hit them after the break.

And we'll also hit that soup there. Oh, yeah. A little late for homework, but be ready. I don't need to put there. I got my big board. I'm ready. Hey, what's up, everybody? buddy Daniel Jeremiah here.

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podcast or wherever you get your podcast brought to you by liberty mutual insurance only pay for what you need liberty liberty liberty back on NFL daily tension in the room with the soup draft coming up no I'm kidding there's no tension the vibes are great it's a pre-holiday vibe it is and I'm bathing in it before the best uh holiday year but bathing but men don't take Baths either. Eric is talking about men don't take baths either. Poor Eric. Eric's really given us a take.

Okay. I will admit. Eric, don't you worry. I got you. I misattributed the Manosphere take that Eric didn't believe that men have soup. He just has his own completely horrible take that soup is unnecessary. But it's not about the men. It's not.

It never is. We'll get to that in the end. First, we're going to get to a game that is a little spicier than we expect. expected, you know, maybe a few weeks ago. Although, if you had said before the season that the Bengals would be all but eliminated from playoff contention before this game, like, I would not have believed it. So it's better, but it's not great. We also will not have T. Higgins in this game.

We will not have T. Higgins in this game. Zach Taylor of the Bengals did confirm that, but he does expect Joe Burrow to play. The Bengals are going to Baltimore on Thursday night. The Ravens are favored by seven in this game. now Chris Collinsworth takes off Thanksgiving and I support that spending the time with the family but I'm less excited about Jason Garrett being on the call for this game with Torrigo.

Don't they get a lot of family time together anyway on the broadcast? How do you mean? Chris and Jack Collinsworth. Oh, there you go. Is Jack working the game? I don't know. I don't think he has the credit to take that game off. I'm surprised that the Ravens are favored, maybe by this much just because of how they have looked.

How concerned, Jordan, are you with how the Ravens have played offensively in particular over the last month? Very concerned when you also factor in the equation that Lamar Jackson is showing up on the practice report or the injury report in practice this week again with something completely different. This is a foot or a toe. This is a toe now. And he's been banged up all year.

I don't trust the Bengals still defensively at all. But they are coming off their best defensive performance by far. and bounds this season. This was kind of crazy looking this up because I knew that the Ravens and you see it with your eyes every week watching how they've struggled to put any sort of consistency or like total true dominance together drive over drive on offense. They're 19th in EPA per play. Really? On offense. And like this they should be prime for a bounce back game, I guess, against historically the season what we've seen against the Bengals defense that minus last week has allowed a successful play on over half of teams of teams plays against him so but but this is

this raven's team i don't quite know what to make of them identity wise other than they they look like they're limping everywhere and that's by the way we talk about lamar first it was a knee then ankle and toe judy batista put the head shoulder no very good post by judy on that i'm with you on the ravens just like man lamar just doesn't look right because when he's helped the game looks too easy to him yeah right like he's just out there playing with everybody and like he's grinding through whatever he's grinding through I know we're talking about Joe Burrow being back why are we not talking about Jamar Chase coming back that I like the Bengals in this game their defense can be as terrible as it wants those two you'd like them to win I'm going

upset here that would be I'm going upset well because look the Ravens they have been great at home they have not been consistently great. And I just think Joe Scheistee, he's coming back. He's not going to be limpet. He's going to be smoking. Right? He's going to be going. What's he going to be smoking? We'll find out. We will find out. Those Ravens linebackers.

I think they'll pick on him a little bit. I think they're going to be able to run a little bit on the Ravens D. I like Joe. I like Joe. I like tight ends. I do feel like this is a game where it's the nightcap on Thanksgiving. Everyone's sort of already thinks that the Bengals are sort of done and they're washed, they're played at this point.

They have a tiny little chance to get back in things and it's like everything has to go the right way. But that's the kind of thing that happens on these like island games and primetime games, especially Thanksgiving when all of your family is there. And I can't even imagine what that would cause if the Bengals upset the Ravens at home, Thanksgiving night. What would happen in Baltimore? We don't want to know.

I don't. That's a scary crowd there. They have had, come on, the best. I just mean, I set you up for that great. It's a great environment. It's all with a great environment, you know, outfits and everything. It is incredible. This is just us trying to have Eric's back here.

There we go. Their game prize, honestly, though, let me just say. It's the best. It's the best in the entire. It's awesome. I love doing things. I mean, it's so fun. They lean into everything and there's so much.

to look at before like they do an incredible job if you ever get a chance to go to a Ravens game go it's awesome and I think this is the best rivalry in terms of quarterbacks that I've seen of two guys in the same division Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes

are in different divisions but they do play like once or twice a year usually and you know Patrick or rather Tom Brady and Peyton Manning like that was incredible at the time but if you go look at the performances that these two dudes have had when they've gone up against the other. It is incredible, especially last season. It was next level. And yeah, I hope Joe Burrow can

deliver. He's coming off of an injury. He's always really struggled in September. He's very often struggling to come off an injury in September and not played pretty well. And this is almost a similar type of spot because he's coming up. So I hope he's not rusty for lack of a better word. And Lamar absolutely is. He has 75 yards rushing in the last four weeks. The first play of last week's game was an RPO where he kept it. And the Jets just like, we're like, go, man. And You see the yellow line, which is imaginary. And Lamar's just, like, creeping up to it. Like, you see it on the broadcast?

I know. That's not in real life. It's actually just like a graphic. And it looked like it was a force field. Before I saw it, what an M&T Bank Stadium. There's like, there's 10 yards of green grass in front of him. And it looked like a force field that he's tiptoeing and he's hesitant. And then eventually he finally goes.

And then he gets hit pretty hard because he was so hesitant. And I was like, that is not the Lamar that I. I love. And I think part of it is, too, that the passing game is not having any flip. Isaiah likely has 120 yards to see that. Tyler Wallace and DeAndre Hopkins are out there for a lot of the game. Tess Walker, like, it's just, it's just uneven. And so we'll see if the Bengals who have looked a little better on defense, I don't know.

I don't trust them. Here's a thing. This Bengals team, I know everybody's excited about Joe Burrow coming back. And first of all, everyone please keep their saliva in their mouths with Jamar Chase coming back. I will say, like, this just is ripe to me for the exact scenario that Joe Burrow himself would have been facing all season anyway if he had been healthy, which is maybe they get close enough offensively to stay in a game like this, but the defense will let them down in the end. This has been, last week was the exception, not the rule of this Bengals team. And I just think we're going to see a pissed off Joe Burrow back in the sort of the health cycle, partially of the, his own creation here.

And ultimately, they gave up a ton to the Patriots when they needed to get stops in that game. I don't know. Like they just made a couple plays. Yeah, I mean, that's what the Bengals do. Their defense is terrible. I just think this is one where the Ravens have been so inconsistent. There will be a couple punts by them.

You know, and if the Bengals have more possessions than them, I'm taking Joey Burrow and Jamar Chase. And I'll say this. You know, a lot of people like, why is Joe Burrow even coming back? Because, you know, the team's not good. They're not going to go to the playoffs. This is what players. do right players would rather be fine than miss a game right they only get 17 of them a year and

to see joe borough work as hard as he did to come back from the team that's already stuck you know we may say well he's getting paid paid a lot of money that's what he's supposed to do this goes to show you how game you know and i and i want people to understand this is what this is how football players are yeah like that is how they are wired i guarantee you he's not thinking about the game check he's thinking about getting that sick feeling out of his stomach finally yeah and it's going to be Like Thanksgiving night with him back on the field returning from this injury that seemed like it was he wasn't going to play at all at first when he first got hurt. And then it's like, oh, he might be back in time for the playoffs. It's just this whole season for the Bengals has been so I want to say it's a roller coaster, but there haven't been a lot of ups.

It's just mostly downs. But coming back on Thanksgiving night with Chase there, with T. Higgins there, there's just something about it. There is, it is feeling kind of like their Super Bowl. He had a quote, and he kind of announced his return. I'm not going to live my life and play this game scared of what might happen. And one thing that has changed for this team, they were one of the worst rushing teams of all time. We were talking about it in September. They've been awesome running the ball week after week.

Chase Brown has been playing well. So the offense, Joe Flacco slowed down a little bit, but I think overall there's the pieces there for them to play well. Kyle Hamilton, by the way, was back at practice, as was Lamar Jackson on the estimated. did report on Tuesday. So they're going to be playing. And yeah, it's up to Lamar to prove that he can do it even when he's protected. There was no pass rush on him last week and they still struggled. Let's pick that.

Are you the only one taking the Bengals? I'm going. I can't take the Bengals. Ravens. I don't know why we're picking games on this show. I'll take the Bengals. Yeah. Do it.

Your picks have to be consistent, though. That means you have to do it across every NFL property. Sorry, we don't normally do that. Let's wrap up on this previews. show with our Black Friday game. Wow, this is a great one. Bears going to Eagles. Love this for the Bears as a real test of where they're at, a step up in class.

They had a medium step up last week with the Steelers, and they ultimately passed it. And now this is another one. The Eagles are favored by seven. We got it on Amazon Prime. That's a big number, man. And then we got it on NFL Daily right afterwards. we're going to be doing a recap show of all four games. Looking forward to that one.

How are you feeling about your Eagles, Colleen, as a heavy favorite with everything going on against a team that's only lost three games this year? I know. It feels like they've lost a lot more just based on all of the talk around the team, but they are so inconsistent and it's on both sides of the ball. And the collapse against the Cowboys, that's a huge hit.

them. And now you have a short week. Yes, they'll be home. And they had so many injuries in the secondary. They lost three D-Bs in that game. So that played a huge role. Kupa, broken angle, not coming back. Reed Blankenship, he was hurt.

I mean, this was not a good performance. And this is a team that relies on their defense when their offense is not giving what it should give based on the playmakers that are on that team. And still, we had, they, we saw,

so many penalties that night. We. So, like, 14 penalties. It just was, that's coaching to me. This is, they're undisciplined, but then there's no imagination to the play calling whatsoever. The offense is not good. It's so stagnant. You come out in the first half and it looks like you are just going to steamroll the

Cowboys. And then how does that happen in the second half? Like, there's no adjustments at any point. I don't know. It's crazy that Philadelphia. California goes three and out at the highest rate in the NFL, which I did not know that. They've gone at the highest rate since any team in the NFL since 2014. This was from Dennis Selman on all people.

That's crazy. The 2014 Raiders, by the way, if anyone can name any part of that team. Well, the Colts are trying to catch up in the second half to that. I just, I love what you said about that, Colleen, about just how many playmakers they have. relative to the production level that we would expect from this versus what they're not getting. They're in the bottom third of the NFL in both rushing and passing success rate. And we know that this team is predicated on how it runs the ball. But it seemed like they got so dependent on having an outlier or at least above average run game.

And it is not. Like I said, lower third of the NFL in rushing success rate. So when you don't have that, normally they could hide their passing game a couple weeks in a row. behind some complaints, obviously, and all of that. But, like, they could also hide that behind a below or a very above average run game that lifted the entire floor of the operation and also converted these downs that they're not getting right now and extending these drives and all of that. And I think that when you see that, you see how much substance they should have,

but how hollow they actually are. And that is, that's really tough. I want to cite, so you know him. That's a great analogy, though. Thank you. I want to say, so, like, Eagles columnist, the retired Les Bowen. Love, Legendary. And he's great on Twitter.

Yes, and that's exactly, I'm so glad you mentioned that, because, like, legendary guy, and he's still part of the conversation. He weighs in a lot, and he obviously knows all of the coach speak and everything, and he translates it, translates it about as well as any columnist has ever done, I think, on any beat in any market. And he said this, and I thought it was telling. When Nick Sariani, he said it on Blue Sky, he said, when Nick Seriani says,

it's never just one thing or one person's fault, as was the tone Nick Seriani took after the Dallas loss, what I, what Les hears is, we can't fix this. When it's never any one person's fault, what he hears is, we can't fix this. And I'm like, that's stark. That means there's too many holes to patch in his mind.

I think the offensive line not being a difference maker just to your point sort of makes the rest of it look hollow. You have a good left tackle in Milata, but there's questions now

everywhere else since Lane Johnson isn't there. It's banged out. The interior's banged up week to week. The thing is they do some things well. Like I was thinking about this.

They've turned into Jalen Hertz as a person, like as an offense, they've turned into Jalen Hertz because they are monsters in the red zone. One of the reasons why like I was trying to figure out like how are some of these numbers so stark the worst three

and out rate since the 2014 Raiders with our friend MJD collecting his last NFL paycheck behind Darren McFadden. I didn't know how how relative to history bad. It's crazy. Tony Sparano, rest in peace coaching coaching that Raiders team. I'm like how are they even as good as they are? And it's because every time they get in the red zone, they score because he is one of the best red zone quarterbacks that we've ever seen in large part because of his legs, but he's made good decisions too. And they just don't turn the ball over. And that is Jalen

Hertz in a nutshell, is that he is a little too tentative just not ripping it into those zone coverages, but he does not make mistakes. And so it's just this, you just don't know what to do, but you know it should be better when you're paying all these guys and there's this much

talent. Here's what I say offensively, to me, it may not be completely fixable, but you've got a mobile quarterback and a tough guy. Jailen Hertz is a tough dude. Get him out of the pocket a little bit. Press the line of scrimmage because he DAC Prescott does, right? When he runs, he doesn't just float. He presses a line of scrimmage against a defender to commit

and that usually opens up a void to throw it in. They don't do that, man. Were they doing that with Kellyn Moore? I was trying to remember that. Kellyn Moore used to coach Dallas, maybe so. Kellynne Moore would drop Jalen Hertz like 16 steps back behind the seven-man. I feel like we had this conversation at Vivian. various points with almost every one of their

coordinators except maybe Stuyken who early on it was a little slow but basically that was a moonshot ride and that was the best day. You see that with short a quarterback. That was the whole thing, you know, back when Russell Wilson first came, he was in shotgun taking seven-step drops. He'd have to throw it 18 yards to get to the line of scrimmage.

Well, this is a great test though because it's got to be cold and they're playing a defense that they should be able to score against. The bears are not creating much pressure. We'll see we've been waiting week after week is this game where Kyler Gordon or Jalen Johnson come

back for the Bears? Because they lost, I believe Tyrick Stevenson got hurt last week. Did he and I miss that? I think he did. I'm not positive on that. But let's go to the Bears offensively though. I mean, their offensive line is playing. And so Jonah Jackson's a little banged up. A little banged up. So this is why I'm interested because

the Eagles defensive front was so good up until they came up against Dallas. This is a pride thing now. Okay, are they going to dial this back up and start doing some things against the bears. We know we're going to go. A lot of 12, a lot of 13 type of personnel. They will match up with that because they've got the linebackers to be able to do that.

But I just want to see, again, how this front for the Eagles, how they dial this up. Because you know, Big Fangio is going to do some stuff to make, you know, Caleb Williams' eyes cross a little bit. And what I think Ben Johnson's going to do in response is exactly what we saw Brian Schotenheimer do with Dak Prescott is boot him out. Move him. Move him around. Boot him out.

Get him running on some of these like naked and things like that and move his launch point around to really attack what Colleen mentioned was just a totally battered secondary right now. And I feel like, like I was talking to my good friend, Kevin Fishbane, who works with me over at The Athletic and just wrote a great feature about where Ben Johnson's good, better, best comes from and traced its lineage back and like pretty cool story. And he was talking, he was talking about like every week the floor gets a little bit higher for this team. We saw some Bears teams in the past where when their floor would, drop out from under them, there was no bottom, right?

Like, it just, they would, they would, they would, quite a few bears. They would get, they would get close to their floor and, and the chaos would happen, and they wouldn't swing it back positive. Now, when they're in some of these close games, especially at the end, you feel like these bears teams are starting to know how to win these games versus, because I think this will be close. I agree. I agree. An absolute dog fight. And I think that this is one of those where you really see situationally how much more developed or how much

I guess higher the floor is for a bear's team that's I think record-wise outperforming what a lot of its advanced statistics say but they're figuring out how to win games and that is almost more important for them right now than what a lot of these metric rankings are and a big game for CJ

Gardner Johnson. Oh yeah start the timer. Come and back to Philly that could actually be a serious situation just because of the way that he left Philly he was unhappy with it and now he might come back like we always roll our eyes at revenge

games but no that's a real one that's a real one that's a great point because one thing about the bears they are just rewriting the takeaway books they are taking the ball away at an inordinate rate and I think the top three interception leaders in the NFL despite all the injuries

the top four are like with the bears yeah Kevin Byer like all these guys are so and their linebackers are hurt like right I don't think people understand Ben Johnson mentioned this in the locker room. Right, exactly. Like T.J. Edwards and just that whole group. Edmonds.

I do think the health of the secondary is going to be important. So Jalen Johnson was not playing last week. Okay. They activated his practice window for a couple weeks. So both him and Kyler Gordon have been practicing to come off IR, but they haven't been back in the game. I do wonder if they've been waiting maybe this is the week that it happens. And then Tyreek Stevenson, their other starter, like, got hurt too.

So they're just down big. And shout out to Nashon Wright, who has been making plays falling, you know, day after day and look, if you were a fan of Last Chance You, he was kind of a secondary character in Last Chance You because he's the brother of Rajan Wright who also made it to the NFL.

Oregon State guys, right? And people, I think, know this lately because the coach for that season, John Beam, had tragically killed, like, on campus. And he was such a captivating guy. And it was very emotional for Nationals for Nashan Wright after he had an interception a couple of weeks ago and he's talked about

just honoring John Beam and man that season of Last Chance You is one of my favorite like seasons of quote unquote reality like ever and I hate that the other coach from Last Chance You is the one that everyone knows who's an idiot who I'm forgetting about right now

who's just like a total moron. Yeah they have that guy don't confuse the two Greg by the way you asked if anyone could name anyone from the 2014 team Raiders. I did say MJD. I just want to let you know that Drew Christensen is checking in again. And he says that if you might remember that that team started 0 and 10 and then beat the

Chiefs on Thursday night football for their first win of the year. And it was Derek Carr's rookie season and first win. How about that? Time machine. Run DMC. Darren McFadden on that. Oh, yeah. He's a good player.

Who is it? Who was the quarterback who started the season? Was it Jason Campbell? I don't think Derek, but Jason Campbell started the whole, uh, his rookie season. Okay. Um, Dr. Campbell, Jason Campbell is the Carson Palmer. Okay, Bears fans, you wanna, you want to, you want to really get in the mix?

Ooh, go win this game. Oh. Caleb a little up and down last week, but I thought it was good prep for him. He had his fastest time to throw all season by far. It was clearly a game plan with his left tackle gone. He got out of the, got rid of the ball quickly. It wasn't a perfect game, but it was good enough. And they're getting their rookies, Luther Bird and Colston, Loveland, 10 targets combined in that game.

So really good Black Friday game. Who hates hearing that because, you know, they're getting their rookies involved, unlike his Raiders. Yeah. I'm picking the bears in this. Okay. Eagles. I will take the Eagles. Igles at home.

But I definitely don't trust them to cover. Eagles at home. Yeah. I'm the, I'm the lone, I'm the lone rule. You are. The lone rod. But what? What?

word. ROTOS. Hey. We've reached the most important part of the show. Go. It's the soup draft. Go. How many rounds?

We usually plan these things out. We're just going to do one round. Okay. Because I want to put pressure that you have to take. I'll go last. Why don't we go? Why don't we go ladies first? Colleen can get the one pick.

Just go in order. That's it. Wow. All right. Well, do you guys want to do two rounds? I don't need any prep on this. I know. I just thought not about prep.

It was more pressure. that you've got to make a really hard choice. And also, I would have brought this up ahead of time. Any soup is an easy choice, Greg. Fair. I would have brought this up before, but I know how Eric would have hated this segment idea. So it had to be a surprise.

Go too deep then. Oh, God. What was that? No. Eric's Revenge. Stop, stop, stop. That's Eric's revenge. Okay.

This is very easy for me. Since I love soup so much, I could go in so many different directions, but there is one soup that I can never. say no to if I see it on a menu. And it's not going to be a popular number one overall pick. So congratulations to you guys. It's broccoli cheddar is my number one overall pick. Definitely a seven drop pick for white. Oh my God. No. He's a little lunchbox on Drexel's campus right on 34th and chestnut had the absolute best broccoli cheddar. It was the number one hangover cure. It can be great. It's not like an

LA soup. You got to have that on a cold day on the east coast. But it's like any soup. I if made well, it can earn that number one pick. But streets are saying it's a reach, a little heavy. Well, this is my drop. Jordan. I'm going butternut squash. Good call. I like that.

The heinous sound drop returns. Butternet squash is my number one over. That's a good one. Mine is simple. That's the Italian wedding, baby. Oh, wow. I got a giant wedding. I'm not really a huge fan.

I'm a huge Italian wedding. Eric, would you describe yourself as disgusted so far? Do you think less of Steve as a man? No. Nothing against people who consume. You can think whatever he wanted me. If I get to a Italian wedding right here, I'm like, get some. Greg, what's your pick?

I'm trying to think should I go strategy? You're on the clock, Greg. You're on the clock. That someone else could take or take what I believe should be the one. I think you got to go. I'm going to go for like a Sun tofu soup at like a Korean. All right. That's great.

So you can add it. Now what you add to it, because they'll ask like what do you want with it like do you want it with pork or dumplings kimchi whatever I think I'm going to go with the dumplings because that it kind of combines it all but that is some hot and spicy yeah bubbling soup because you get the kimchi cheese in it anyway you know I love what about a soup dumpling I mean that's pretty good that's not my pick that's that's why it's it's sort of combined I like it all is this two rounds stay around regular no you can you can you you have the

I can't believe this fell to me in the second round, but with the fifth overall pick in the 2025 soup draft, I am taking chili. Oh, that was my, that was going to be my question. Hang on. Is a chili or a rabbit a soup? What do you play? You make it in a bowl. You make it in a crock pot.

A chili is a stew. I just had a bowl of chili last week. That's not too. And he felt like a man. I was wondering if that was going to count. All the time. But chicken, but the consistency.

The consistency of chili as a non-broth-based concoction is more of a stew-like texture versus a soup. I was going to ask. This is actually, I'm sorry to do this, but this is like when the Vikings took too long to make their pick and then they got skipped in the draft. So actually, Jordan is going to go now. You have to regroup.

It doesn't count. You can take another pick after. It's officially being ruled as a stew. Wait a second. Then I will take ramen, or is that a problem too? Raman's a soup. Wasn't your turn because of the rules, but we'll take that. Yeah, ramen's good.

Chili should count, though. That's ridiculous. Ramen's a great choice. Chili is a stew. A stew is a stew. The clock is ticking based on a recipe. Chicken tortilla, baby. Chicken tortilla all the way up in this system here.

I love it. All the way up in this system. Weird. Clean out my sinuses, baby. Okay. A Jamaican pumpkin soup. What? Spicy?

Sweet and spicy. Little. Got a great consistency. Get you going right there. Lots of fiber. That's pretty good. Very good. Wash.

Okay, Greg, you're on the clock. Her last one. I think. Well, Colin, oh, yeah, she picked ramen. Yeah. Drew, what is it that you said to me? How many rounds till what? You can get on the mic.

Tell Colleen, yeah, you get your pick. No, she got her pick. It was ramen. It was wrong. We'll get, we'll get it. Yeah. Okay, this is tough. The last pick of the draft.

I mean, like the ultimate test when you're at a... Lobster biscuit is still on the board. There's so many. Like, matzo ball soup is out there. Meso soup. The ultimate test at a Chinese soup. I get a hot and sour soup every time we want to talk at a Chinese soup. But I think for value...

I also get a wonton, too. Sometimes I'll get both. But hot and sour, you have to test that every place you go. Because that's the ultimate. to test if that's going to be a good tiny Swiss. But I just think for value and overall versatility and everything, you've got to take Fahir.

I mean, you can't let that go on. I mean, if it was a W, that's a big win. That's like a that's hard to choose between those two. I'm shocked that. I just want them all. I want them all. I don't know, man. I apologize, Mazzabal soup.

Catoly. Whatever you are. Ooh. What? Little lentil. Yeah. Oh, I love a lentil soup. Yeah. But I would, but yeah, I would, yeah, I would, yeah, I would take it. I should have

one that you'd like to throw in? He's not on the mind. I love a miso. You know, would have been controversial, but I think it would be a good mid to late round draft pick for value. I didn't need you guys to be prepped for that.

You guys have been prepping your whole freaking life. You know what else you're ready for? For and ready. Tomorrow's preview show, it's going to be a little bit different because we need to get out of here at some point before the holiday. We're going to put a clock on our preview show.

We're going to have one thing that's going to blow your mind for each game five minutes per game looking forward to that until then yes this is NFL daily you want to throw any other soups out there that didn't come up French onion oh I don't like it I'm not a big one but that's a much cheese I like the broth of it I love any broth maybe put our drafts up people can grade who came in second place behind me something with lemongrass ooh beef lemon grass ginger hell yeah he's worth the fog you know you got to get some lemon grass everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here.

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