NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2025 Week 5 Recap: Buccaneers-Seahawks Thriller, Colts Cruise and London!

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by talkSport's Will Gavin and Ollie Connolly to recap every game from the Week 5 action around the NFL starting with the Buccaneers at the Seahawks (00:59) followed by Broncos at Eagles (10:33), Vikings versus Browns in London (22:00), Commanders at Chargers (35:56), Raiders at Colts (46:00), Titans at Cardinals (55:26), Lions at Bengals (01:06:05), Texans at Ravens (01:12:26), Cowboys at Jets (01:18:47), Giants at Saints (01:26:33) and Dolphins at Panthers (01:33:00). The show is wrapped up with Gregg's final thoughts on his time in Dublin and London (01:40:45) before Patrick Claybon and Nick Shook recap Patriots at Bills (01:44:45). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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game in the NFL. Look, we established a wonderful rapport earlier on today. we came together over the course of four hours. Nothing can go wrong over the next hour, hour and a half, however long we're going to be sat in these seats, chopping it up about a crack in Slater games. I cannot wait, and we had perhaps the game of the year in Seattle. Let's go.

This will be a 39-yard field goal attempt. He has kicked a pair of 36-yarders. Chase McLaughlin. Can the Bucks win it on the road in Seattle? Spot down. It's kicked as airborne. It is logging. up it is good and the bucks beat the Seattle Seahawks Tampa Bay 38 Seattle 35 and the

Buccaneers come from behind to the fourth quarter again and score the game winner with no time left on the clock the cardiac crew is alive and well in the Pacific Northwest how about that how about that? How about that? Decker off and a little extra how about that at the end bucks win in Seattle, 38 to 35. Yes, in a game where the Seahawks only had the ball nine times and five possession sequence where they scored a touchdown all five times. They find a way to lose to a Buccaneers team that is just finding different ways to overcome injuries week after week. They're four and one. Seahawks fall, the three and two. Ollie Connelly, we did a draft earlier of all the games and you were smart enough to take this game. What was the key for the

bucks? It started out as a fairly even like good on good defensive matchup. The now of nowhere, it just turned into this bonkers chunk play parade all over the field. Both teams had six plays of 20 yards or more in this game and it became this OSU wide receiver off. It was Jackson Smith and Jigba against a mechereg boot. It was Sam Donald. It was Baker Mayfield throwing seeds all over the field. Donald almost threw the game away. Two times in this. And then eventually there was a pass skipped off a helmet of Logan Hall into the Anzolvante, David. One play, one real miss cue in the game, and they kicked the game winning field goal. Yeah. So you're talking about the sequence.

The Seahawks get the ball back with 108 to go. Baker Mayfield had just thrown a touchdown pass to Sterling Shepard. They had just got the ball back with a little over three minutes to go. it up and you figure the way this thing was going that Darnold was going to lead them on a game-winning field goal drive. Instead, they get the interception. And I just think Egbuka, Ali, is turning into one of the stories of the season. Seven catches, 163 yards. He had an incredible touchdown catch on a beautiful throw by Baker Mayfield. What the heck? Let's already listen to that call. third down 15 Mayfield winds up throws

caught touchdown at Buka right on the money Mayfield with a touchdown throw and the Buccaneers are back on top what a strike oh I love that call from Kevin Harlan and hearing him call a game kind of makes me realize how unfit I am

not only for the job we had earlier today but for the job I'm doing right now like I felt totally awake and I'm good to go and till I started talking right now. But like, unfortunately, you know, the Seahawks and Buccaneers' defense were also a little out of sorts. Like, did you think this was good offense

or bad defense in this game? I thought it was to open with good on good and then both teams kind of splint the way neither could really get any sort of pass first. They refused to send any kind of pressure when they did. It was absolutely fried. Abuker, I think, is just showing us

he is in kind of the superstar category. And when he came into the league, it was almost he was this all-around pro player who would do all the dirty things for you and just be a really reliable target and I think he's showing his levels above that already. I think of the fact that it was all Baker today as well. Like they couldn't get anything going on the ground

just 56 yards rushing today. Rashab White ended up being their leading man with their key guy out. And you just, I don't know, Baker, 379 yards. He made just dime after dime after dime. Like there were so many great throws in this game. You mentioned Abuka. K. Dotten had a massive game

in this one. It came up with four catch for 81 yards, but all of them seemed to be drive extenders, huge, huge plays that kept things going. And yeah, this box offense, just in the passing game, were absolutely purring. Yeah, and the Seahawks were losing corners throughout the game. They already came in with injuries on the back end. Guys were falling

all over the place. And Mike McDonald kind of put the bed on, I'm going to have to trust my downfall. We've got all this investment in these guys at front. I'm not a heavy pressure guy anyway. And so instead of trying to force the ball out of Baker's hands early by overwhelming the book's beat of offensive line. He's like, let me just play coverage and we'll figure it out up front

and those guys just couldn't get home. Yeah, there were a lot of injuries on both side of people are familiar with the Bucs injuries on the right side of their line. I thought the Seahawks would win this game because I thought they had the best defense in the league and that the Bucks wouldn't have enough offensively to get it done. I was terribly wrong and I thought they'd be

even a little more banged up on the back end. They did have Jacob Parrish in this game who was questionable coming in. Jamel Dean was out rather and then they had his back about Benjamin Morrison too. Parrish has turned into a key part of that defense. It is wild to see

like a world where Baker Mayfield has four incompletions, almost 400 yards and Darnold is matching him. Like do you find any of this like fluky or like that it can't continue Ollie when you watch it on a week to week basis? These two guys

We're going to be doing quarterback island later this week. And Sam Darnold is, I think, made an extremely strong case, and Baker will be staying there. Donald in this game made two or three candidates for throw of the year by the end of this season. And whilst doing that, there was two opportunities for the books that iced this game. Early, Zion McCollum effectively dropped a 99-yard pick six

in the end zone, the CO score on that drive. There was an interception that was choked off because Zion McCollum had a penalty on the play. But I feel like Donald, just the way he's playing the confidence, the control, ripping it to every area of the field, almost feels more sustainable. With Baker, it's like in Grazart, he's found kind of the perfect match of we are hyper-aggressive. We're getting rid of a lot of the fancy Liam Cohen trying to overcomplicate the game. It's time to just gun it. We've got weapons all over the place.

They are the perfect like pop a zim pouch and let's go drive down the field type offense duo together. I love how they are surviving this portion of the schedule. and I keep thinking it's going to get easier, but they have the 49ers, they're at the Lions, and then at the Saints before they're by, but they're kind of showing that they are one of those teams that can win Wallhurt,

and so when they do get some of these players back later in the year, at 4 and 1, I think these two teams, it's safe to say, are going to be in the mix at the end of the year. Yeah, that's it. And when it comes to you talks about the injuries up front, Mike Evans, obviously, out at the moment. And Chris Gobwin back and had a few nice catches, I think, 4 for 27.

But it's more that factor of, like, you said it, constantly finding a way to win. Baker Mayfield, whether it was because he was under pressure, had to scramble, had to make quick throw. Like, he just every time decision-making was the right thing, and he just went out there and balls. And I don't know, there's very few players. He might not be playing the best quarterback in the NFL this season. They might be relying on time and time again game-winning drives, all four of their wins this season. have come on game-ending scores, literally as the clocks hit zero.

They are that team who just find a way to win somehow at the death of games. What their total, yeah, four wins, nine points. That is their total over those four wins. And so, I don't know, I kind of back them in any game. And I look at that next stretch, I think 49ers, maybe on the road of the lions is a tough one, but Saints, Patriots, Bill's kind of fancying them

in all of those games right now. I feel like they can win any kind of game. This was a shootout kind of game. And I think I look at them defensively. They may have the best all-around collection defensive back talent in the league right now. And in this game was interesting because for Mayfield,

he has the more impressive stat line. Donald had the more difficult to make throws. It was a really high-degree difficulty throws. Smith and Jigba was out of his mind down the field. Tyke Smith is playing as well as any defensive back in the NFL. Antoine Winfield Jr. is back to his absolute best. And those guys got cooked at times because of how well Donald and Smith and Jigber

and the other guys played and they only really have a concern at linebacker. If they had a quality starting NFL linebacker, this would be the best defense in the NFL. Levante David has a lot to say about that. He had the game-changing play, sir. He did, and it was, you know,

touched off a helmet straight into his hands, and if he has to move sideline to sideline, he gets in trouble. He's got a smooth Savarge, Dennis, maybe the most unrosstable player playing defense in the NFL. But other than that, they have everything you would need.

They've had the injuries up front, but they've got good depth that. They at least have burst off the ball up front. They can get creative now in the, front top balls tried to be a bit more conservative to open this season he's now recognize my defensive backfield is full of studs I can start having some fun again and so I just feel like from week to week they'll shape-shift and win different kinds of games yeah normally I would look at that point differential

and think like this is a team that's gonna come back to the pack it's a little bit fluky but when you look at the quality of the players on their team when you look at the quality of the coaches this is a team that is going to be in the mix till the end of the season and this was the biggest I think statement win that they have had yet. So they moved to four and one. Seahawks fall to three and two and what is going to be a crowded

messy NFC West. Would the team on top in the NFC keep their undefeated record? Three players in Hufunga, Key, and Jones on the goal line. Snapper. Three man

rush. Kurtz, bounces around, loads it up, loads it to the end zone. It is incomplete. no flags Denver wasn't it Oh that is Dave Logan on K-O-A

Yes a Hail Mary attempt from Jalen Hertz from in front of the 40-yard line that seemed to hit the hands of every single player on the Philadelphia Eagles and the Denver Broncos it was AJ Brown and Devante Smith

I think it hit all four of their hands but Sartan was over there Brandon Jones was over there, ultimately knocked away, and the Denver Broncos go into Philadelphia and get a 21 to 17 victory. The Broncos trailed in this game, entering the fourth quarter, 17 to 3. They always start taking out those stats of like the Broncos under Sean Peyton hadn't won your, you know, a game down 14 or as a franchise. and I don't know how many decades

the Eagles hadn't blown a game like that in so long, but they started making that comeback, the Denver Broncos, and I thought this was really impressive by running the ball. And sometimes that's what you need to happen. Bo Nix was struggling throughout

most of this game, but they started leaning on the Eagles defense late in this game. J.K. Dobbins finished off a long drive. Blue 1 drive at the end, but he also had a third in 15 that I thought was maybe the key play of the game, a beautiful throw up the middle to Cortland Sutton, 34 yards on that play to Sutton.

Sutton ends up beating Quinion Mitchell for, I think, eight catches in 80 yards when Quinnion Mitchell was in coverage, way more than any game in Quinnion Mitchell's career in terms of the yardage that he gave up will and this Broncos team gets to three and two and the Eagles continue to be this very strange team that can look perfect for a half at a time and they did more or less in the first half of this game and then fell apart down the stretch you mentioned how they lent on the run late on bonix was averaging four yards an attempt entering the fourth quarter ends up going nine of ten hundred and twenty seven yards and a touchdown in the fourth so yes they lent on the run game but it allowed bonix to build off it and it allowed

to pin back that Eagles' defense. They got a couple of really key calls go their way. The grounding call went their way. The Zach Bourne, roughing the passer as well. But, I mean, Ollie came up with a phenomenal stat while we were watching the game earlier. From an Eagles' offense perspective, last week in the second half, they didn't throw the ball at all.

Not once. Jalen Hertz did not release the ball from his hands in a forward motion in the entire second half. And then today, Ollie, it's all they did was throw the ball despite being up two scores. All they did. Some of that, to be fair, was R.P. stuff so it can muddy the water slightly. But this feels like a Nick Siriani lost to

me. We talk all the time about organizational victories. The Broncos want a long scoring drive in the fourth quarter, the 10 play touchdown drive. The Eagles come straight out, three and out, and hand the ball back to the Broncos. They again go down the field and score. And there was just a chance there to try

and take some of the sting out of any over comeback. It just felt like Siriani, the game got away from him. Sequin Barclay, after that 47-yard catch, Philly punted on the next four possessions, converted just one first down. And this was the key, 23 passes to one design run in the second half. And the crazy thing is in the first half, it was pretty pass heavy as well.

It was working, though. It does feel like the Eagles are always responding to whatever the narrative is. They did that last season. They did that in this game. They got the ball to AJ Brown early. Devante Smith goes eight for 114, including a beautiful deep catch over Riley Moss. I mean, it was the big day for the white

cornerbacks, rather, Riley Moss versus Cooper DeGine. DeGine had an incredible play in this game. And if A.J. Brown hadn't slowed up on this one route where they had everything worked for this double move where he's on the inside, seemed to work, and he slowed

down, hurts, overthrows him. Who knows how this game looks, but I think Brown kind of gave up on that route. You mentioned the second touchdown drive the Broncos. And yeah, this game was sleepy for so long and they finally get that first one where they really are running the ball. Well, the second drive, which I mentioned that Cortland Sutton Pass was part of it. The very next play is Evan Ingram going in for a touchdown. And then one of

my favorite moments of the entire weekend, Eagles are winning 17 to 16 and Sean Payton decides to go for two with seven and a half minutes left in the game. Let's listen. Atkins, Franklin, tight trips right, Sutton, tight left, Dobbins behind Nick's play fake. Nick's rolls to his right, throws him all the end zone. Franklin has it. Two-point conversion is good. That was an awesome play call, and it's one that Bo Nex said after the game they'd been reping in practice for two or three weeks.

He said he wasn't surprised because with Sean Payton, like you're never surprised. But there was something about that play. that moment that was intelligent and I just thought he had a feel for the game there and you think about how this game ended where the Broncos go on another drive when they get the ball back they tack a field goal on and it leads the Eagles to needing a touchdown at the very end of the game instead of needing a field goal. And look you talked about the Eagles reacting to what the outside sources were saying what everyone was saying about them. I think to an extent that Sean Payton going no I can still get in my bag I am able to scheme things up for Bo Nixie. I think

they'd heard a lot about how stifled the offence was and while they still again started slow in this game, I think that's Sean Payton bringing back a little bit of the old St. Sean Payton magic and, you know, feeling himself a little bit. And that's what we need from him. If they're going to go far this season, if they're going to be a playoff team, they come to London at three and two now,

and it is a huge difference to being two and three and coming out on an international trip. And Peyton will do anything to stick it to Fanks. You know that he really really felt that one. I think that the Eagles, thing, everything just feels so rickety on offense. You mentioned them kind of listening to the outside noise and adjusting that way. It just feels like they are pre-designed going into the week and they will not figure it out on the fly. Most of it is, oh, this person tweeted X, we must

adjust our offense. Even early on, they were not forced feeding AJ Brown. They just made him the primary and the progression and he's open because he's AJ Brown and he's awesome. And yet in the second half, it did feel like they started saying we're now going to start trying to force the ball to people. And they were telling the broadcast team throughout the week, we want to be a throw to get a head team and then run the ball to close the game. They get the opportunity to do it and they go away from it. And Eagles fans seem rather annoyed by this team considering they were four and O coming into today. But it is for a reason. Like they're 12th in DVOA entering this week despite being undefeated. They had the fewest yardage on offense of any four and O team since the

1941 giants entering it and they actually had a better day today like getting to 300 but it was a struggle. Sequin Barclay again the success rate very low for Sequin Barclay. He had a 17 yard run in this game. I know he only had six carries so it's on a limited sample size but the rest of the runs end up getting stuffed a little bit and I know J.K. Dobbins's final numbers aren't great but he is playing better this year. He has more juice another year removed from the surgery and I thought that he ran well throughout the game. To circle back to what you said about the penalties. So maybe that's going to be a conversation piece in Philadelphia.

I don't know. But I think if you go through all the, there were a lot of calls that changed this game late. Like two went for the Eagles and one went, I mean two went for the Broncos like positive and one went for the Eagles. There was an offensive pass interference on the Broncos that essentially killed a drive that I thought was a bad call that way.

and then you mentioned the late hit on Zach Bonn. It was clearly a late hit. It kept the drive going. There was an illegal shift on Sequin Barclay. If they just had their stuff together before the snap, they might win that game. Like that was a big time play down the field of DeVante Smith that would have changed the complexion of the game

when they were driving. That was called off. They ended up having five pre-stap penalties overall. And then the Knicks intentional grounding call, maybe they got that one wrong. I will give you that. It's in a game where the Broncos had 12 penalties, 121 yards. They've had six or more flags in every game this season.

It has been a problem for them. And if you're less disciplined than the least disciplined team in the league, that suggests that there might be a problem with the way that you are going about your day to day. How about Nick Benito, two and a half sacks? Just keep sticking it to me. And the Eagles get the ball back and eventually do get in position, but it was made much tougher by Nick Benito getting a quick sack at the start of that drive. I feel like part of the tension,

in Philadelphia is in their bones. They feel this defense isn't quite at the level it was when it closed last season. So they're looking around going, well, can the offense then rise to the level of being a top 10 unit? So we get two top 10 ones if we don't have a top two defense. It just feels as ways to get at the Eagles defense now

in a way that wasn't last year. They aren't quite packaged things the way they did do. A year ago, you even force them to get really big and they don't quite have the bodies up front when you go big on big with them. Then if you spread them out, they're just lacking in the secondary. So it feels like they are one or two,

pieces away. Maybe some internal development, Jellix hunt, someone like that coming on, maybe trying to find some outside help. I know it's a Dary Smith out of his sack today. Maybe they could go and find another right dress from the market. Yeah, that would help. Like Jalen Carter just being Jalen Carter were helped. I went and looked at the defensive line snaps because I'm watching this game and thinking, man, it seems like he never comes off the field. He played 63 snaps in this game out of 70. No one else on the defensive line even played 40, but he had one pressure and he just wasn't super involved. This has been, Jake. Alan Carter, though, there is a sense that people believe he just walked into, like,

the Aaron Donald's sphere because of the last postseason. This is who he has been throughout his career. As you will get Hot Street games where he looks like the most dominant player to have ever played, and then he has really quiet weeks. That's just the experience now. Just on Nick Benito very quickly, can we just say to Tony Romo and Jim Nance, we all know who Nick Benito is at this point. You don't need to be telling us on the broadcast.

Maybe the national people will listen to how good he is now. It's like we've been talking about him for the last year. year plus. It's fine. We know Nick Benito's very good at football. Old Jim Nance and Tony Romo and myself, always the last to the party. An incredible win. I really think a season altering win for the three and two Denver Broncos before they head over here in London. But before we wrap this this first block, let's talk about the game that we were at, at Tottenham, Hotspur Stadium, what seems like a long time ago. Wentz in the gun, Mason, alongside him, choosing to hold on to that last time out.

30 seconds on the clock, second and five, takes the snap, goes to the right side, looking for Addison. Addison, end zone, touchdown Vikings. Denzel Ward in the area. Picasso Wentz places a perfect ball over the corner into the arms of Jordan Allison, who falls into the end zone. And the Minnesota Vikings take a 20 to 17 lead here at the Tottenham Hotsler Stadium. It's a perfect, perfect call from Kevin O'Connell. He gets just a little out and up route from Jordan Addison to the sidelines. The Browns are sitting in zone.

Denzel Walker can not trigger and close on the ball. Oh, great call there by Will Gavin and Ollie Connolly, who had to take off his headphones because he refused to even listen to the call. But he did a fantastic job as he did all game long, breaking down what happened in real time. Carson Wentz goes overseas, plays well enough the first game, made it fun in the fourth quarter. This time he has the game-winning drive. Vikings win 21 to 17.

And yes, the three of us called this game. Did you ever have any doubts when Carson Wentz got the ball back that he was going to drive down the field for the game winner? I have to say you hear will bring that kind of energy in a big moment. And we have to listen to Al Michaels snooze through. Oh, stop it. Drop the back, Bezos. Will is here. Drop the back.

I would love to see that. And there were times, yes, where I just got distracted like listening to Will today because it was so fun. By that point in the game, I was down on the field. I was going to do the post-game interview

for Sky Sports. I got to see it close in real time. And what I'll remember about that closing sequence was not just that Addison catch to win the game, but the three straight Addison catches in a game where he was benched in the first quarter. They didn't really get into the details of why,

but it's clearly some sort of disciplinary decision. And he had a great route on the third and four, a couple plays before he showed some toughness to get to the first down marker, to keep that drive going, and then a great route. And watching these Vikings in person, you do just think, wow, you know,

they have, such great route runners between him, Thielen, and Jefferson. If they can get good quarterback play, they're going to be dangerous. They got just good enough quarterback play today. Yeah, and I think toughness was a big key of it. You said it there with Addison, but this is a team who were down three offensive line starters, plus their backup center as well.

And they did a brilliant job of protecting Carson Wentz. Well, he wasn't touched, not a quarterback hit, not a sack through two and a half quarters, almost through to the third quarter. And yet they started to get pressure late on, but Wentz goes out of this game injured in the second quarter after a quarterback keeper where he has taken the ball on a scramble and then ended up getting hit, comes back in, leads those two touchdown drives.

Let's not drivers, let's not forget. They had a missed field goal in this game and the two fumbles as well. Like in theory, this could have been a big Vikings win, but they find a way to win it late. And, you know, the Addison thing, you and I both spoke to him in the locker room afterwards, very much a young man who held his hands up who said I spoke to the team. I fessed up and I was very clear on like apologising and they've all lifted. me up and I wanted to go out there and prove myself. And I thought he was sensational in that fourth quarter.

Yeah, and there's just no one doing it like Kevin O'Connell right now. The plan to try and neutralize Miles Garrett, given what is going on all around the offensive line. And then you see midgame, the Browns open up, they're going to play a ton of man coverage. That's what they do. O'Connell is trying to gamify the matchups to try and make things work. Then Schwartz starts jumping into a ton of zone coverage in the second half of the game. All of a sudden, they got to start releasing T. T.J. Arkansas down the field.

They'd use Hawkinson constantly to chip Miles Garrett. When it's go time in the fourth quarter, everyone is out. We've got to give Carson Went's options. We've got to go win the game. And I was actually disappointed in the Brown's front. I thought that given they were getting basically four on five for a lot of the fourth quarter with all the stars they've got, those guys played really well inside. Isaiah McGuire had a good game.

But they didn't really impact the game when it was a must-have-it drive. Yet Jonathan Grinard in this game had more quick pressure. So that's 2.5 seconds or less than the entire Brown's team. And we talked before the game, which will be the bigger mismatch in terms of defensive lines on the opposing banged-up offensive lines. And actually, this is the healthiest the Browns had been all season. They got Jack Conklin back at right tackle their interior line, who are veterans, have been around a while, all were playing. And ultimately, Minnesota, I think, did a better job affecting Dylan Gabriel, who played well. I know it wasn't amazing

and you can't give too much credit to an offense and a quarterback that had the ball four times in the fourth quarter, couldn't score, couldn't move the ball at all in the first three drives where they really had a chance to put it away. But I kind of give the Vikings pressure

credit there and I think they actually did have a better chance to win with Dylan Gabriel playing today than if Carson Wenton played. Yeah, I agree and it was decision making. It was time and time again under pressure not panicking, making the right call, taking the check down,

taking the throw that was available to him. And I just think there were two or three times where he either threw the ball away or had a good incompletion when he wasn't trying to force things in. And you just thought for, it's a guy who's banged this drum all of last week, 63 starts in college.

And it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to come up to the NFL and be all that. We've seen a quarterback playing for the other team in this game who struggled mightily coming in, despite having a lot of starts in college himself in J.J. McCaffee. but he just looked very assured. He looked very ready.

Yes, they weren't able to quite put it together. They had a key drop from Jerry Judy early in the game, his fifth of the season. They kept in key moments not finding the playmakers, but they ran the ball well with Quid John Jenkins. He made right decisions. Like, Cleveland Bounds were in this game and had a lead late on,

and I was more impressed with them offensively than I expected to be. Yeah, I thought Gabriel looked comfortable with the speed of the league, and that's kind of the first thing you're looking for for a 94th overall pick to step into a game in week five on the road internationally against Brian Flores

I don't know what more you could expect don't turn the ball over don't make too many ridiculous looking throws and he didn't do that he played within the rhythm of the system he extended plays a couple of times I thought he had really good pocket feel when things were caving in

he did not just fold up there was only one instance where he really got jittery in there and made an off target throw for the most part he was stepping up and kind of slippery in the pocket climbing through finding up from receivers and we only really saw one flash of what are the limitations, which was the Hail Mary attempt where he loops it.

So eye up in the air that when they come back the second time for a second chance to the Hail Mary, they say, let's get away from that. We'll have to run a cross-o. We don't think he can drive it down the field and that ends the game with the tackle and bounds. Can we give Ollie Connolly a shout out? Pre-game, he told us there was going to be a trick play early in this game.

He said it was that kind of game, the way it was set up, two defensive teams, and then they come in, the Minnesota Vikings, run the Wildcat, Camacres, touchdown throw to the widest open, Josh, Oliver, he will ever be in his career. We spoke, again, we spoke to Josh Oliver after the game. Not the most, you know, vocal man I've ever spoke to my life.

But when I said to him, like, were you stunned to see there was nobody within about 20 yards of you when he caught that ball? He was like, yeah, I was really open. Like, he was as open as could be. They bit on that as hard as they could. And it was nice to see a bit of creativity. It took a minute to be like, who is 31 on the Vikings? It's Kim Acres elevated from the practice squad.

Yeah, part of a fun. first quarter where they went back and forth. Doug Gabriel had a good, Dylan Gabriel rather, had a good first drive that ended with a touchdown to Fanon. One of the best moments I thought of the game was third quarter. The Vikings had taken the lead

on a Jordan Mason run and then the Browns respond quickly to a man who was really soaking up the love in London, David and Joku. The Vikings favoring the left-hand side of their defense. Offensive line showing pressure, fanning moves. He is being marked by Mattelis. Ball over the middle.

Bolton, David Adjoku! Touchdown! Cleveland Browns! Over the middle! And the big man who just leaped over someone on the previous play now gets into the end zone for pay dirt and the Cleveland Browns have a lead here in North London.

Oh, David Adjoku raises his arms to the Tottenham crowd. He is loving it. He did it before the game as well with his shirt off getting some love from the Browns' faithful who made the trip. trip. That was stuck in my head because he did the same motion before the game. David and Joku came out to the crowd, no shirt on, knees on the ground, and just asked for the love, got the love, did it during the game, did it after the game. There was actually one sequence where they were going in on the next drive in the red zone. And he wasn't even supposed to be

on the field for the play and the coaches had to be like, David, like stop. It was just wild. up the crowd before the fourth quarter starts. You have to come back off the field. But he brought the energy in a season that could use them. It was amazing just before that fourth quarter. He literally was helmet off, prouncing up and down the line. They were in the huddle discussing the play. And he was just dancing around them, jeeing up the crowd,

before he just kind of waltzed off to the sideline and watch the play. A real character's day. And even after the game, obviously, suffering a loss, falling to one and four, not where the Browns would be. But him and Jefferson were having to have. having some fun as well. Like, David and Joku has had not the greatest start of the season. Harold Fanon's been excellent coming in as the rookie

and really been the start-tight end in this team. But he had his best day, certainly of the season today, and he was really feeling himself. Yeah, the throws to Judy and Isaiah Bond were much less effective than to the tight ends, 12 targets for them for a combined 44 yards. And Ollie kept noticing during the game that the wide receivers on the Browns were just often confused and not ready for the play at all, which is something you can only see in person.

Yeah, they had some real operational issues. There's a lot of palms up offends guys looking to each other. There's a great Harold fan in play where at the snap, he has his palms up. He isn't sure what the play is. All of a sudden, he realizes the ball has been snapped. He just crushes someone on the end of the line of scrimmage and pops Quinchson Jodkins for a big run. So there was a lot of operational stuff.

It felt like they couldn't hear what was coming from Dylan Gable to the line of scrimmage whenever he's trying to check. So maybe it's just a first start in the league. You've got to be maybe a little bit louder. Maybe the inflection's got to be there. channel your Andrew Look, you're Daniel Jones, and make sure the receivers can hear what's going on. How about that, your Cam Newton cadence.

That's one of me, my all-time favorite cadences. You mentioned Junkins, who goes for 110 yards in this game. They have found one of the better starting running backs in the league, at least in terms of just a pure runner, patience, power. He has got everything. It was a joy to watch him. And before we take our break, we should give a little love to Justin Jefferson,

who came over here, became the all-time leading receipts. in international game history, if you add them all up. This was our 40th game in London. And for these two weeks in Dublin and London, he goes 17 catches, 249 yards, and would have had even more today if a great play down the field by Carson Wentz didn't get called back, but he ends up making a trademark leaping catch in that game-winning drive. Yeah, just absolutely unreal at the catch point, time and time again, going up with Greg Newsom going up against Den's award.

He just absolutely bullied them. Like, you just, there's something special about seeing greatness when it's in person. And you just, every time I've been able to watch him, and it's been three or four times over the last three or four years, we've been able to have Jefferson over. They always sell the superstars coming, right? It's always a big part of these international games. They're the ones that you slap on the poster.

They're the ones you make a big deal out of. And Jefferson just delivers time and time again. I mean, I have to say, that catch. over the middle that got called back. Greg's call on that was unbelievable, and it's just going to just go out into the ether and never be heard again because it didn't count, and I was devastated for it.

I have no recollection of whatever that call was, but I'm going to trust that that's true. People could go back and check it out if they really wanted to on the talk sport feed. Yes, Jefferson, everything you just said was said with even a better source by Harrison Smith in the locker room. I talked to him for Sky a little bit, and he just said,

I've just never, like, been around a superstar like that who just delivers on being a superstar in every way, like in every practice, in every game. He is just that guy, and he said it is just amazing to have a front row seat to watch that every week. And that's coming from a guy who has a chance to be a Hall of Famer, like Justin Jefferson, will be one day. All right, we'll move on from this game.

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Here's the snap to Daniels. He throws it up to the back of the end zone. He's got a wide open man. How about them that Bulls? Tuckdown. How about them, that Bulls. Touchdown, Washington. Daniels to Demo.

To put out the Chargers. Oh, Jaden, Daniels. And yes, Bram Weinstein, and London, Fletcher, getting it done on WB-B-I-G. Washington goes into Los Angeles, spots the Chargers, 10 points, and then rips off 27 unanswered to get to 3-2.

Chargers fall to 3-2. They've got all sorts of injuries, but let's start positive. The commanders coming in, and they take command. Look, this game didn't start off as they were hoping or would have expected that the charges move out into a 10-0 lead and it came from a brilliant 41-yard scramble

from Justin Herbert on the opening drive where he made Bobby Wagner look very old and very stiff and very slow after a good blitz pickup from Amarian Hampton had the touchdown to Ladd McConkey followed by that field goal and right at that point Jayden Daniels was one of four

in his first five throws He had a couple of very wobbly looking scrambles where he had kind of eight or nine yards to gain, only went six or seven, went down a little early, didn't look quite sure in his feet. And I was watching it thinking, maybe was he ready to come back in?

Maybe were this team ready to put it together? But then he hit Jalen Lane on that third and 16, down 10, and it just seemed to bring some life to him and bring some life to the offence. And then the Quentin Johnson catch and fumble from the chargers who were driving again just seemed to flip this game. Washington go on four unanswered scoring drives.

Bill Crosky Merritt, down in 15 yards of space for that outside touchdown run with some really nice pulling action going on. And suddenly by halftime, Jane Daniels goes from 1 and 4 to start off to 6 of 12, 12, 12, 12, 22 in that first half. He has seen an absolute rope to Debo Samuel

for a first down, the Jalen lane throw. Like, it just, it's something clicked midway through that second quarter and he just came to absolute life, and it was wonderful to see. And I think it starts with, with the running game for this team, Ollie, just off of what you've seen this year. And yeah, Bill goes 14 for 111 yards and two touchdowns in this game.

I just am not surprised to see that their design run success rate. Not even counting the scrambles was well over 50% in this game. And I thought that might be a matchup problem for the Chargers who last week kept letting the Giants run all over them too. And the commanders seem like they have a nice base of their offense with their running game. Yeah, it's a brutal matchup for the Chargers. They in their run fits and their run defense, They don't move an awful lot if you move.

And Cliff Kingsbury is really, really intelligent about making sure he can kind of move the numbers around to get good angles for everyone. A lot of pullers and movers in this game. A lot of runs to the prim into the broke away for extra yardage. So it felt like a bit of a schematic mismatch. Just by design, you still have to go out and make the plays. And the commanders did it. My main takeaway from the game was just the charges, particularly on offense.

Everything is so difficult for them. And I know it was really fun in the opening few weeks of the season, watching Justin Herbert put the cape on and all the early down throws and kind of channeling it through the vision of they're revolving in a sense and putting the ball in Justin Herbert's hands but the degree of difficulty

down to down is so high for them everything is so reliant on him making extraordinary throws having to go and create with his legs leading the team in rushing again it just feels unsustainable and I think we've seen it now for the two weeks in a row big offensive line issues for this team

losing Joel as well Mackay Beckham left the game in-game. Herbert sacked there was that delayed bits that Jordan Maggie had. There was the Dorrance Armstrong forcing the hold which pinned them back as they looked like they were going to drive. Big 29-yard completion to Keenan Allen

gets called back for an illegal formation when Trade Pipkins isn't lined up on the line of scrimmage. It's just time and time again they were killing themselves with these mistakes and just every time you thought that Herbert had something going you just find yourself rolling your eyes and falling back in your seat and thinking they'd managed to do it

again. And one thing they've lost is the ability to go to lad down the field. That was a real go-to staple last season. Part of that is the offensive line. Part of that is they need him to be the kind of underneath security blanket. And so then just naturally, Quentin Johnson slots into place

is more of a downfield threat. And Keenan Allen becomes the get out of jail free card. I can throw it kind of off the field to the sideline. Keenan will go get it for me. He does the vets of. So they've lost some of the McCongney explosiveness down the field, particularly in the middle of the field.

He used to puncture right through the middle of coverage last season. You get these huge explosive plays and now so much of it is underneath and hoping he'll break three or four tackles and go make a play for you and it just feels like a real key easy element the offense has gone so herbert sacked five times in this game and when he was able to throw the ball under pressure to your point of everything being so hard he ends up with 24 yards on eight attempts so their offensive line i think alt's injury kind of put

it past the point where they can survive it all against a halfway decent defense they're lucky to get miami on the schedule next because i do feel like this section of the season without all is going to be very difficult they have austin decalus starting at tackle right now and he had a horrible penalty in this game as well like they're just killing themselves time and time again trade pimkins pipkins had a legal formation penalty that killed a 31 yard game and then i thought the sequence where lad mcconkey appeared to have a punt return touchdown that's called back by a penalty and then Washington goes on a scoring journey.

Honestly, go and watch this play because it is the best play you'll see all season that doesn't count. Ladman Konki hurdles two different players in the same punt return, including the punter, only to have Marlowax called for running into Tressway in the back of the end zone.

It is, if you've not actually seen it, if you've only heard about it, if you've only seen it on the play-by-play or on the score sheet, it is so worth watching because it just showed you exactly what Ollie talks about. McConkey is so explosive, so brilliant with the ball in his hands, given a little bit of space, and yeah, that was a devastating play. And he only ends up with five catches for 39 yards,

gets the early short touchdown, but no plays down the field. The game really ended with Herbert and the Chargers on the doorstep, trying to cut the lead from 20 to 10 to 20 to 17, but he's a little too hot on his first down throw. they lose three yards from the one yard line with kamani vadel and that sets up the chargers on a third down play they had first and goal at the one here's the snap to herbert washington four throw that was tip and picked off by mike sandra still at the one yard line what a pick by sandra still and a stop on the goal line he mikey sandra still just played just in

Herbert like a puppet he ran this exactly he knew exactly what route he was going to get jumps in front that play and intercepts his past. Mikey on the spot is what we're going to call it. That's the energy we need out of you, Ali. I thought that was harsh from London Fletcher, by the way, because clearly Johnny Newton tips the ball of the rider's scrimmage, and that's why Mike Zarrison is able

to get into it. But it was a case of, there was the drive just before that where they got to the fourth and two, and then he just pinged the ball off Tyler Conkin's face mask when it could have been a completion into Washington Territory. And then that was a really great drive that just died.

in the red zone and just, I think, you know, we can't really do better than Ollie did earlier. Just everything was tough for them in that, from quarter two onwards, basically. Yeah, and I wouldn't say this is like a rejuvenation of the commander's defense. I still think they got some pretty severe structural flaws. Okay, but they've been better this year and maybe better is average. But seeing what they've done so far this season, don't you think they've been kind of up and down in a way that there's more ups maybe than before? I think they have some pretty serious issues when they're in manufacturing.

coverage. They have two sinkholes on the field in Wagner who I love but in space is a problem. Marshawn Lattermore is an absolute disaster at this stage of his career and in zone they've had more bust than any team in the league this season leading to explosive play so they're still in this kind of push pull tension and bind but they are vicious they

fly to the ball I do think they'll create a bunch of turnover down the stretch. I think they're better I think the Washington commanders are just putting together a squad where I don't know what they're going to be like exactly but I have a little even though I know they made the end of championship game a year ago.

I think they have a chance just off what we've seen to be better because I think they're not playing at their very best on offensive. I have serious doubts about their mobility on the defensive side of the ball and Bobby Wagner obviously as we've talked about a few times is the kind of statesman, the elder statesman

of that. Just the last couple of things to mention this game. Amarian Hampton left the locker room with a boot on his left foot after going out of the game late on and we'd wait for an update on that injury but that could be tough one for them. And just to mention the final drive, because it kind of gets forgotten about because the game was almost killed off by the inception. But they go, 13 plays, 99 yards,

eat six and a half minutes off the clock. They're two big scramble plays for a combined 20 yards from Jade and Daniels. They kept bringing in Trent Scott as a sick lineman on that drive as well, went heavy up front. And I just ground the charges down. And as much as I'm kind of talking out both sides of my mouth here by saying I am concerned about the defensive side of the ball, for me was their best driver the whole game because it just showed winning in a different way, winning with that run game that you talked about and just burying the charges when they had the chance. They're winning games without Terry McLaurin with Debo Samuel as the centerpiece receiver and he goes eight for 96 today. One big play from Luke McCaffrey every week, which is better

than what they were getting last year and making it work, whether it's Mariotta or Jaden Daniel. So I just give them some credit for managing what could have been a pretty difficult start to the season. They're at three and two. So are the Chargers. That Indianapolis Colts, they're even better. Out of the gun goes Joan. Sweeping left, Taylor cuts back in the five into the end zone.

He dances in again. Three of them today. Three touchdowns for Jonathan Taylor. The confetti flies, the horn sounds, and Lucas Oil Stadium is full of jubilation. The Colts now lead 38 to 3. Three touchdowns today for Jonathan Taylor. Oh, and you know that Shane Steichen had an eye on the scoreboard.

He wanted the 40 burger. So he went for the two-point conversion. The Indianapolis Colts get to 4 and 1. They win 40 to 6 over the Las Vegas Raiders. That was Matt Taylor on WFNNI. He's becoming a bigger part of this season, Ollie. least on our show, because the Colts are box office every week, and I thought this was an interesting little checkpoint for their team, a team that they should beat pretty easily

at home, and they do it with style. Yeah, and we talked about for Justin Herbert, everything feels difficult for the Colts on offense. Everything just feels like an easy button. Over and over again, the first drive, they punt on the first drive of the game, they punt on the last drive of the game. Every series in between, they score a touchdown, and it feels like easy work. And in this game, Greg, you mentioned going for two there to put the 40 burger up. They lost their kicker. They were forced into, you've got it. There's no field goals on the table. Their punter wasn't able to kick for them. He couldn't even kick the kickoff. They got a flag for the first kickoff he had to take. So they had to go for two on every play. They were, they were never in field

goal range to be able to actually kick the field goal. It just felt so effortless for them driving up and down the field. You mentioned them waxing a team. This is what they just do now, is they are playing all these poor teams and crushing them and the raiders fall to one and four and it just raises a larger point which now is as good a time as any i was counting it we have ten teams i believe at one win or less jets have not uh won a game that does not include the carolina panthers you know who feel a little bit like a dead team and i I don't think every one and four team is dead. I believe it's eight teams that are at one and four.

And then another couple at two and three that are looking like a struggle. But I don't like that for the show, Ali. That's what I think about first, that it does feel like there's a large group of teams already that if you're not crossing them out, like you're getting pretty close. And Gino Smith and the Raiders have now had three games this year where they just have not looked like they're in the cross.

class of the other team on the field. Yeah, and this one I think is particularly painful because the cults have been a sensation, a surprise sensation really, to open the season. We at least thought over the course of the season, the Raiders' offense would be frisky. It would keep them in games. They would be able to put up points.

And I know they didn't have Michael Mayer and they didn't have Brock Bowers in this game. But again, everything felt like hard work for them. They cannot protect Gino. Gino was making some really sloppy kind of, I give up decisions. I'm just going to throw it into space because what else am I going to try and do with this thing?

Another two picks in this game, another one, Tiliatu Latu, Luana Rumo, still cooking out there for the Colts defense. The second interception is just a shallow throw into double coverage, which is truly like a, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't really know what's going on here. I'm just going to throw the ball and hope for the best. And that's just not the Gino that we've seen. Look, no Brock Bowers and no Michael Mayers to kind of caveat that slightly. But Ollie and I did sit and have a conversation in the Talksport Green Room, Greg. And we wondered if an intervention was required.

because we're both Gino-Smith fans. We both love Gino. But is there a conversation about whether this is working? No, I think for you, Greg, do we need to start talking about Gino being potentially taken off the field for the Las Vegas Raiders? I mean, if he continues to have games like this, and that's two in a row, essentially. And look, the rest of the game, you can tell me more,

like they move the ball, but it seems like everything's tough for them. Yeah, I think if you throw huge groaning, what is he thinking interceptions week after week? That's three out of his five games that have been disasters. I would say the three worst starts he's had since he took over in Seattle, then yeah, that's going to become a conversation. We were in a very bizarre situation where I think everyone in this room sat and went, what is Seattle doing? Why are they getting rid of him? Why are they moving Sam Darnold?

The Seattle offense looks like one of the best in the NFL. And unfortunately, it's not working at the Raiders. So I think there's a lot of humble pie being eaten across the media landscape at the moment. And I think this, as I said, will be the most disappointing one. The mall, they open this game. It's a pretty surgical drive. It's a really well-designed opening game script, given that they don't have the two tight ends.

They start splitting Ashton Gentia. It creates some formational mismatch for the Coles. They can spring a big shot play to Gentile. They start working some creative stuff off that. Then they just give up a huge sack in the Red Zone and the forced kick a field goal. and from there it just was really discombobulated. They are such a up-and-down offense series to series. It looked to begin with like we were going to get maybe the offense from the New England Day,

but for the most part, they are always in third and long, always. And Gino, you mentioned if he's giving up the bad turnovers, these are not down-the-field rockets 50-50 he gets picked off or misread a rotation and he shouldn't have made the throw. These are pretty lazy decision-making things. I got the bag, I got paid, I go from primary to second to check down, and I'll just let it go, because I'm going to let it go, and we stink anyway. That's what it feels to me.

At the same time, I'm not buying the Kenny Pickett is the answer. No. To any question that I would want asking. No, I think the marriage with him and Chip Kelly, which on paper was kind of like my football nerd dream. I've been lobbying for Chip to get back in the league with the new style of offence he was running at UCLA, then Ohio State for years and years. You see it come back to league with Gino, and it just feels like a complete misfit. Aiden O'Connell is on this roster.

He broke his wrist and won't be back for another month. I do not think they're going to want to look at Kenny Pickett, but it's dark early that we're even talking about that. And you talked about working easy or hard. That first drive you mentioned, it took the Raiders 16 plays in almost 10 minutes to kick a field goal. And then maybe the saddest drive of the entire week, the Raiders ended this game with a 13 play.

six minute, 45 second drive that I believe ended on the 23 yard line. They did not reach the red zone, but they ran out the clock on themselves because they could not advance the ball any faster. Before we leave, because we spent too much time on the Raiders, and we should be talking about the team that is leading the AFC South at 4 and 1. Ali, I'm just curious, like, from this game and maybe zooming out a little bit what this game tells us about the colds like what what's been the most intriguing part for you i think the intriguing part to me is what they're doing defensively you know i am a huge fan probably the founder

member of the lu anorumo fan club and actually thought i wrote a big piece about lou on friday that under the hood the figures were not that pretty for the louisans and he was kind of getting some credit for how good the offense has been and i think that was still kind of true in this game But what he does do every single week is there's three or four things no one else is trying and it always creates carnage. And he's always being the best game plan coach in the league.

I think that's why he's so effective in the postseason and when you try and outthink all the great ones throughout a regular season, unless you have overwhelming talent, you can become unstuck. But every week he's getting to some stuff that is just flummoxing even the best guys in the league. And so if they can sneak into the postseason

and they get what I believe is, other than Spaggs, the best single game. My life is on the line. Give me a DC to drop a game plan against a great one. I think it's loot. Now, I would maybe park him, you know, in the sidehouse for the regular season. But he's navigating through it right now. We get another Leartu Latu pick dropping into coverage, another drop eight in the red zone. A really, really effective game plan. And so I just, I think that defensively, they will not be efficient. They will have one game air because it's all over the film where they get cracked for 40 themselves because they're giving up a lot of chances

quarterbacks aren't taking advantage but if they can just eke through to the postseason i believe in lou forget about eking and sneaking and they're four and one they're they're going for the number one seed the a fc south is a little more interesting uh than we expected we'll we'll hear from the jaguars on monday night and yeah i started this recap talking about the one in four teams there's eight one and four teams is a tough place to be ravens obviously you know, the best among them. We'll get to them in a little bit. And then there's...

I'm not so short anymore. Well, at least long-term, like, hoping for a rebound. And then we have a Panthers two-and-three team and a Jake Browning two-and-three team. So it just feels like it's almost like a third of the league is in a very difficult situation. That could describe another two-and-three team. Let's go to Arizona.

Here we go. Cox snaps it back. Sly, lets it fly. Bull fly! Hey, Nashville, that sounds like a winner. The Tennessee Titans, 22. The Arizona Cardinals, 21. I cannot believe the Arizona Cardinals lost this game.

Yes, that's Taylor Zarzor for the first time this season. And Dave McGinnis on WG. FX, the Titans win 22 to 21. Let us count the ways in which the Cardinals blew this game, shall we? I think it has to start with the Amari Demarcato fumble while going in for a touchdown. In the fourth quarter, would have been about 72 yards, I believe, would have given the Cardinals a 28 to 6. lead. And what happened after that was an all-time loss. I don't want to overreact, but a season changing loss, potentially like a coaching regime changing loss, because the Cardinals have had

some rickety moments this season. And how they respond to this will be fascinating. Yeah, you say that. I think for Brian Callahan too, right? It's like this is a defining win for the Titans, but completely gagged away from the Cardinals. I was like, it's the most inexplicable loss of this season. It's probably got to be the most inexplicable loss for many, many seasons. The different ways are able to give this game away.

I don't even know what it's gotten down as the fumble, interception, drop, kicked around, touchdown, whatever that chaos was. Okay, let's listen to that. So the comeback really starts with Di Mercado, dropping that ball. Doing a Desorn Jackson. It would have been 28 to 6.

It's insane that this continuous. news to happen. It's actually happening more. It is contagious. And they were trying to give Legerius Sneed, I believe it was, some credit on the broadcast for running after him. But DeMarcato just dropped the ball. At that point in the game, the Titans' offense had done absolutely nothing. Then again, the Cardinals' offense didn't score on their last eight drives. uh kiler murray took a third down snap off the helmet that he wasn't ready for and then left the game with an injury after that play i was wondering did the ball hitting him in the helmet injure him no it was a foot injury and he returned after missing a couple of plays but that crazy play that you mentioned came on cam ward driving down nine with under five minutes left in the game Receivers to each side of the pattern. Cam takes a shotgun snap, surveys.

He's in trouble. He's trying to get out of there. He breaks the tackle, throws, and it's intercepted. Intercepted down at the five. Now the ball's being fumbled around. The Titan jump on it in the end zone. Tyler Lockett, shut on it in the end zone. That's a touchdown.

That is a Titan's touchdown. Cam Ward through an interception. Then it was fumbled. It was recovered by Lockett in the end zone. As a guy who's done play-by-play today, what a difficult play to call, and he got away with it, because I don't know how I would have done that. Like, it was so bizarre, so wild, it was kicked this way, then that, ended up in the end zone, fallen upon by a Titan, just, yeah,

it's one of those you kind of have to see. It's very difficult to describe, so fair play to them for managing to get through it. Well, the Cardinals, after they intercepted it, and you feel for Taylor Demerson there, there were many moments in this game where if he just falls down there and doesn't fumble it, the game is over, just like the Demercato

lost, but then what is going to kill them watching it in film review is three different Cardinals, like jump at the ball at the same time, and it bounces around and it bounces off one of their legs, and then Tyler Lockett, who had a drop earlier in this game, finally makes a play for the Tennessee Titans.

And the Titans do deserve credit for having got that good fortune, the final drive from Cam Ward was absolute nails. And I would just believe if I was a Titans fan I would go absolutely Gaga for Cam Ward. I think the operation around him, the coaching staff, everyone will probably be gone by the end of the season. They'll get found out

there. They were pretty incompetent through much of this game. Even in situational stuff, as they tried to mount the comeback I thought Calla Ann called it pretty poorly. But Ward's ability to play when it's no huddle, when he can see the defense, when he can take in all the information, he operates super

extremely quickly and we all kind of see the crazy throws where he's running around and sometimes he makes mistakes doing that stuff when he can just play in rhythm in structure he is light years ahead of where I ever thought he would be at this stage in his development that last drive you mentioned was awesome and the fourth quarter in general uh was awesome out of cam ward he he suddenly got protected better I mean this game had a nine drive sequence for the Titans which totaled three points and was well under 100 yards. The only points that they got were because they recovered the ball. Or they had a long kick return, rather, by Chimari Dike,

and they had a one-yard drive that ends up with a field goal. But then suddenly, he throws one of the best throws of the week over the middle to Calvin Ridley. And then on the very next snap has a dime down the sideline, and Gunner Helm makes a really good play for him. He had some nice throws to Io Manor and to O'Conquo, and he was incredible throughout the fourth quarter of that game. So he did throw that interception and got lucky,

but their best three drives by far in the game were the last three drives, and he gets the ball back with a minute and 53, and this is the most unforgivable part to me of this entire drive, of the entire collapse. Jonathan Gannon, with a lead, you know, just by under a field goal, decides to run it three straight times.

He runs it on first and 10. He runs it on second and nine. And then he does not trust Kyler Murray anymore. And he just runs it on third and eight. And it's not like he was doing that to give the Titans 30 seconds left or 25 seconds left. The Titans had a minute in 53, only needing a field goal.

And it was frankly bizarre game. management. I thought by Jonathan Gannon, when you have a veteran quarterback, it's insane. It's funny because you're saying about how this is the most inexplicable loss of the season. And at one point, you know, on the old, the NFL equipment of win viz for your cricket fans out there, they only had a 1.8% chance of winning this game. They were listed at 30 to 1 on various betting websites to win this game. It's not actually the least likely winner the season. The Bills Ravens from week one, they were down at sort of 0.8 at one point. But it was Josh. and it was everything that comes with the bills and it's a very good football team you're facing

and it's a banged up Ravens defence. This is the Tennessee Titans you're going against who are as undermanned as any team in the NFL in theory who have had game management issues of their own. You've got an offence that you've been building over the last three years that you should be trusting that have had some big plays in this game. Marvin Harrison had that big completion down to the one yard line which was probably his best play maybe of his career up until this point, certainly of this season. I just couldn't understand the Cardinals not They needed just one first down. One first down, iced that game and they wouldn't go, couldn't go and get it,

but didn't even really try to go and get it. Yeah, and I'm with you, Greg, it's really telling. When it's nut crunching time and you've got a franchise quarterback paid that kind of money to not put the ball on his hands, tells us everything. I think we saw it in the London game too with Dylan Gabriel, but that's a rookie right way. If you're going to go with the three-run sequence or a two-run then pass, you want to start the pass, some kind of boot action on the first down to figure out where you are.

Right? And to not have Kyla Murray, unless there's something with the foot and the foot is worse than we know where they couldn't roll him out or do something with him. But he was in the lineup. And there's no reason why he couldn't get in the gun on one of those plays and give him a chance to spray the ball around and go and win the game for you. And that fumble that I mentioned where it bounces off Kyler's face because he's not ready. He thinks the play is going to be called dead because part of his line starts moving before the snap. Then they snap it anyways. Yeah, they were trying to adjust the protection to his right. They did a hand signal because Kyler, again, not trusted, doesn't get to handle his protection. So we're seeing an awful lot of buildup for a franchise quarterback here. They tried to adjust the protection to slide to his right.

As they put the signal for the adjustment, they snapped the ball into his face. It's just unbelievable. That was actually, to correct myself at the beginning of the third quarter and then the Di Mercado fumble. In a game, by the way, the Cardinals knew the Titans snap count. I cannot tell you how poorly coach football team this titans offense is. It is an embarrassment to football. They have a silent snap count.

They call it the same twice in a row. The Cardinals jump the snap count. They call it a third time in a row. The exact same sequencing on a silent snap count. They leave Baron Browning unblocked off the edge to crush Cam Ward. That's what you're going up against when you have that kind of inexplicable collapse.

And that play you mentioned, they had six blockers in for four path rushers and he wasn't blocked whatsoever. Like Callahan was going out on the field in this game and like fire it everyone up and saying like after that Tyler Lockett touchdown, he acted like they just won the Super Bowl on the luckiest play ever. Meanwhile, he fails the down nine test where, you know, the analytics will say that you go for two.

So that way you know if you need the two earlier than not, he decides not to and what does Joey Sly his kicker do? He misses the extra point anyways. And it doesn't matter. Some days are just your days. And look, it is great to see a team like the Titans get off the Schneid. And I got to say, I don't think the Cardinals deserve to be three and two. But man, this one is going to sting for a while.

That's what all the Bengals games have been like lately. Let's go to Cincinnati. They go wildcat. David Montgomery takes the direct snap. He's going to throw it to the episodes. Touchdown Detroit Lions. Brock Wright. Who?

Brock, right. David Montgomery back in his hometown of Cincinnati with a touchdown pass. Oh, that's Dan Miller and Lomas Brown with the hoop on WXYT. They brought out the good stuff for David Montgomery near the goal line. He throws a touchdown pass, later adds one on the ground, returning home to Cincinnati. Lions win 37 to 24 in a game that flatters Jake Browning in terms of the final score. I watched this game closely and for so long it was one of the worst quarterback performances of the season.

Eventually, Jake Browning gets it going and really helps out the fantasy owners for T. Higgins and and Jamar Chase, but ultimately the Lions were unbothered in this game. And I was thinking about, you know, what you said, Ali, on our podcast that went up Saturday about the biggest surprises of the season. And I know it was Jake Browning for most of this game, but watching the Lions just play ferociously on that side of the ball and really control the game in a game that the offense for the second straight week really didn't do that much for most of it. It's just showing that this team is extraordinarily balanced right now. Yeah, and I think defensively there may be down the line when we get to playoff time some concerns about this wholesale shift in philosophy where they're really pressure-based now, they're trying to be more creative.

I think a lot of it is manufacturing production once you get against a really good team. That could be an issue, but they're all over the Bengals today. You know Browning is having a bad day when three separate times there are throws and the announcer saying, that must have been tipped at the line of scrimmage and they go to the replay and there is no tip inside. We actually have one of those plays. I present to you our latest worst throw of the year nominee. The fangles at their own six.

Browning waits at the one. He'll drop back into the end zone. Jake steps into a deep ball, floating it high into the air, an easy interception for the Lions. At the 45-yard line, picked off by Kirby Joseph, who led the NFL in interceptions a year ago with nine. and that was like a pop fly into his hands.

Yeah, I almost fair catch that bad boy. I mean, it's like, you know, that that thing was just hanging in the air, candleizingly for him. And he did not miss out of the opportunity to make a play. Oh, great job there by Dan Horde and Dave Lappapon, W, C, K, Y. Yeah, that wrapped up what I thought was one of the roughest three play sequences. I've ever seen where Browning took a safety

or what appeared to be a safety where he held the ball too long but he got bailed out by a penalty then rolled to his right I believe and tried to make a throw that like peak Patrick Mahomes probably shouldn't attempt that should have been intercepted and then that was followed up by the Kirby Joseph interception ultimately I do like having the teams will that you can just trust on a week

to week basis. We know who these lions are and they're four and one. And on the defensive side of the ball, Aidan Hutchinson had an absolutely sensational game today. Eight pressures which is just one few of the entire Bengals pass rush put together. I just thought

that it could have, there was only one of his pressures was converted into a sack, the one in which he stripped Jake Browning to blow up that flea flicker outside of that. Like, I think he probably could have had three or four sacks today based on the way that he was playing. And look, I thought Amik Robinson had a good game.

Kirby Joseph, as you mentioned already. Alex Anzolone getting an interception as well. Through three quarters, they looked absolutely lost the Cincinnati Bengals. And yes, they put it together late with the garbage time stuff. But Jake Browning, two of nine for 40 yards and three interceptions on downfield passes in the first three quarters. And then suddenly went four of four for 129, 122 yards in the fourth quarter. It kind of feels like the lions took their foot off the gas a little bit. They did, but Kelvin.

Shepard's still just trying stuff and I just love this about the Lions. They are completely fearless. They show everything every week. It doesn't matter the opponent. It doesn't matter if you think it's garbage time. They're bringing all that creative goods and wares. They're telling you we've got more in the bag. We're not saving anything for the good people. We're going to throw

everything we've got at you. But didn't you think that was a little bit of an issue with the David Montgomery? I know it was in his hometown and everything else, but sometimes save the good stuff for the good teams you're facing. Don't throw it away against the Bengals. Sometimes the goods is to have a team, have it in their mind that you might do something like that, then you can just slam the bulls down that

throw with David Montgomery when you face the good teams. And there was a blown coverage in that fourth quarter garbage time, but there was also one of the best throws and catches of the year by Jake Browning and Jamar Chase. Like he kept going for those insane throws and he hit on one, which he showed a couple years ago that he can do. Maybe they'll come out of this with a little more confidence offensively. I don't know if there's much to draw from it. There are two and three. And you mentioned, yeah, David Montgomery returning home to Cincinnati. And they told the story on the broadcast of his sister who was paralyzed and was able to watch the game for the first time because it was near home at the Cincinnati.

So look, that was a good story. And I feel better at least for the crowd there because I knew Nick Westling's, you know, lovely wife Stephanie was there. and she had texted him during the game that she would rather be home doing laundry than watching this Bengals team. Let's take a quick break and we will be back in just a minute. What's up, everybody?

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. First down at side to 27, Blake Fisher checks in, the extra O-Lyman. CJ hands off to Chubb, through a seam right side, has the 20, the 15, 10, 5, Chubb, rock and roll. Touchdown. Houston, Nick Chub to the house. Oh, the Baltimore Ravens defense is the cure that really heals all offensive struggles. goes into Baltimore and wins 44 to 10. That was Nick Chubb.

That was Mark Vandemir on K-I-L-T. It was tough to pick a highlight, Ollie, because the Texans had a lot of them in this game. Yeah, this was a boat race. The Ravens just couldn't get any pressure on C.J. Stroud, when you take all the players out, the Ravens lineup, all the different injuries, and the back end, you end up with nothing creative up front,

nothing creative on the back end. And C.J. Stroud essentially unbothered in the pocket. He was pressured on 30% of his dropbacks, which for C.J. Stroud feels like zero. That's actually a pretty decent pressure in some other gates with C.J. Stroud. It's nothing and he completed 17 of 20 passes for 179 yards and all four of the touchdown throws when he wasn't pressured. So when he gets some time, he can cook people up. Yeah, a shot to Nico Collins. Christian Kirk ends up leading the team in receiving four catches for 64 yards.

He had C.J. Stroud did a 68% success rate, which is extremely high and it just makes the Ravens defense right now feel like maybe the easiest matchup in the league. It was almost a childlike game plan from the Texans. They've kind of drastically changed their offense the past two weeks. Almost every first

damage we are throwing fast to the flat to our right. And then the Ravens would kind of sell everyone out there on second or third down and Strah would just rip it into the middle of the field. And it was just that on repeat over and over again until you got towards the goal line there was a bit more creativity and some play fakes involved

the ravers just they got no talent they have no discipline they can barely get lined up at this point and they got a bunch of backups if you look at their pressure figures the average distance a pass rush that has to a quarterback in the NFL is 4.6 yards

that's the classic average distance okay two of their starting four pass rushes were 6.7 yards away from CJ Stroudan average they may as well be in a different game it's an uncommon level of not being touch for C.J. Stroud and he just shredded them.

You're running away from him at that point? Is Zach all going to be fired this week? He probably should be. They have a real lack of internal guys to hand it to. I think there could be a sneaky in-house demotion that we don't find out about until like the Jay Glazer report right before a game that he's been shoveled into something else.

Pagano's taking on some new responsibilities. But did this for them last year. It was the same type of mess to open last season. They moved Kyle Hamilton to fix it. They brought in Dean P's to change their communication system. They've changed it back to the old one. It's a mess again. And now they're rolling in all these different players and these backups and just don't have the talent anymore. And you say how they don't have any talent. And I know they've had a lot of injuries. But they do have Van Ooi was back for this game. They do have Oway out there. They have Travis Jones back for

this game. I actually looked at the injury report and people thought, oh, this is a disaster. or how many people, and I thought, well, this is actually good news. They got a couple of their players back, and yet they are a sieve right now. Do you think, based on the final quarter that the Texans put up against the Titans, and then this game, going into their buy, that at least that can stabilize this organization, they're at two and three now, and figure some things out, maybe come out of the buy a little healthier? Yeah, they still have a championship caliber defense. They are so loaded at all three levels, and that will keep them in.

so many games and they've overalled the offense. This was a two-bag downhill power-running offense without the ability to play with two backs and run the ball down people's throats. Now they're a little bit more spread. They've got marks involved. He's a really effective guy out of the backfield catching the ball. So they've just put you more in a natural run-pass conflict.

Everything feels like there's some more easy buttons in the offense than there was. It felt like they were purposely making the game hard for themselves early in the season. And now there's just more open receivers and targets facing two pretty disastrous units has helped. Derek Henry, 15 runs for 33 yards in this game.

It feels like that's been the story of his season. He's had one decent big game. Other than that, there's been a lot of that going on. He didn't have the one-yard touchdown run. But I just think from a Texan's perspective, CJ Stroud, that is going to have just lifted them. That is just going to have made such a difference to the way they're going to approach.

Because going to the Seahawks against that defense, I know they gave up a lot of points today, but one of the better scheme defenses in the NFL, one of the more talented defenses in the NFL, 49ers the week after like these are not easy defenses necessarily to go up against and I just think Stroud he's not been happy in that offence it hasn't been clicking it's not been coming together and it really since his rookie season we've not seen that confidence that swagger that belief that he is as good as we know he can be and I just

hope this is injected a bit more than to him because when CJ Strau's really good he's really good and I love watching him and I want more of that you could see something click in this game because in the first few weeks even when there was no pressure because it's been so relentless now for two seasons, he was feeling it anyway. He wasn't stepping into throws. He was scared. He was moving away from his spot really early.

In this game, when there was pressure, we got to see more of the off-script, C.J. Straub, moving to create, because there is more of a rhythm and flow in the offense because he can sit back there and play point guard and distribute it around without getting his head cleaned off every third play. When there is pressure, when that finally arrives, he feels more comfortable moving around and creating because he's not just running for his life the entire time.

John Harba did indicate after the game that he does not think making any staff changes is the answer. They have to go to work. They need to stick together. They need to find themselves. He talked about how this week was important. They have the Rams this week. We'll see if Lamar Jackson comes back for that game. Then they have their buy.

It could be a situation where they're one in five entering the buy. If they were going to make any changes, that might be the time to make them. another team that I hope isn't considering making changes that I was high on in the preseason very much like the Ravens, different stratosphere, but still, the New York Jets, let's go to the Meadowlands. On the reverse, now here's first down, fake pitch. Going deep, there's a shot for Pickens.

He got pushed. He caught the ball to the post. Touchdown to Pickens. There's been one-on-one all night. Sauce Gardner on Pickens. and they've stayed away from throwing the ball and this time it's a little post from the left side and actually said, I'm going to throw it down

and let you make a play and George Pickens did exactly that. Oh, that was a great catch by George Pickens and a call by Brad Sham on KRLD. The Cowboys go into MetLife Stadium and build a 30 to 3 lead. It was 30 to 6 entering the fourth quarter. The Jets add some cosmetic touchdowns late, but the Cowboys win 37 to 22.

They are 2-2-1, and the Jets. Spoiler alert are the only team without a win in the NFL. How did they do it well? You stole my opening line. They are coming to London winless. If you need an injection of energy at 20 to 3 in the morning, just think about Jets Broncos next weekend live at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. on Talk Sport 2.

Look, let's talk the Cowboys' Offense first. Before we get into the Jets, because as far as the Jets concerned, producer Wilvani, our producer here at Talksport, who's been helping you guys out while you've been over, he's a Jets fan. And after he'd finished his shift, he came and sat with us in the green room, and he said, I have notes.

And he pulled out a pad of paper that had the scrawlings of a madman on it, and yet when he spoke, he made more sense than anyone else I've heard at any point during this entire process. So we will get into the Jets. But let's start for that Cowboys offense. 412 yards of total offense.

Dak Prescott, four touchdowns. Two 90-yard touchdown drives just the second time since 2000 that they've managed that in a game. We heard that George Pickens, unbelievable, 43-yarder. And I think Brian Schottenheimer is a better play caller as a head coach than he ever was as an offensive coordinator.

It's a significantly better run game. Javonto Williams has a huge game today. including the 66 yarder which set up the Jake Ferguson touchdown. I just, yes, the Jets defense haven't been good this year, and yes, there were turnovers, and yes, there was not a lot to be excited about on the other side of the ball. But that's thrown for 556 yards and eight touchdowns in the last two games, and this Cowboys offense are what we thought they could be going into the season,

and that's exciting. It is, and this was just a really bad matchup for the Jets. In terms of styles, the way the Cowboys are playing football right now, all the heavy personnel, all the pulling and movement in the run game, running it down your throat and then attacking the seams. And what does Aaron Glenn do? He plays with four down. He plays an attack base front and then he sinks to cover two when he panics on the perimeter.

This was a abysmal coach performance. It is just so frustrating to watch bad football all over the place. Doctrinaire coaches refusing to adjust to the team they're playing. Dag Prescott has been as good as any quarterback in the league so far this season. you are playing a ton of press man coverage as though you are still in Detroit and you are no longer in Detroit you no longer have Aiden Huttonson up front

you no longer have branch and the guys in the back end to make things right and it's just frustrating to watch this Jets defense it feels incompetent Aaron Glenn before this game

called last week the best week of practice since he's turned up in New York he was seen with a boxing glove walking around practice this week punching the ball out trying to talk to them about ball security and yet Bruce Hall has a horrible fumble

in this game. He said after the game the practice had been damn good. He doubled down on it after the game today. This is a Jets team who become the first team in NFL history to start 0 and 5 and have zero takeaways on defence during that time. 13 missed tackles in the first half alone.

Those 2 90 plus drives. The offensive woes, and Ollie mentioned something earlier, they are 6th in first course of success rate this season. They actually come out with some really good stripped and stuff the Jets. They ran the ball well today. They had a 50% success rate. They've been running to fine. Brise Hall goes for 113. He did have that fumble though.

But after they settled for three on the opening driver again, again, they don't score again until the third quarter. They're a brutal sacks left, right and center of Justin Field. As you said, Brise Hall negated that ridiculously stop-start drive. It just time and time again, they shot themselves

in the foot, and it is, they are a really tough watch at the moment, and it starts with the coaching. I want to hear you talk about sauce gardener because we had this segment the other night and it was going to be biggest surprises of the 20, 25 season, and we didn't get to everything. And you had sauce gardener's struggles as one of your surprises.

Struggles, by the way, which sounds like it kept up today, at least on that pick and's play. Yeah, it just looks like a really poor schematic fit with him. You would think in your mind, Sorse Gardner, press coverage heavy system, that's where he'd be at his best, but just the style and design of how they play it

often leads him exposed. he is not the greatest communicator on the fly corner in the league. He really wants to lock in and play one-on-one all over the field. The way Aaron Glenn does it, it's a bit more nuance than that. There's a lot of wink-wink communication on the fly. It looks like press. You pass things off really quickly at the snap. And if you just go through the big chunk place he's given up this season,

you will see there is a consistent delay at the top of the route where it's like he's confused. Am I supposed to let this thing go or do I stick with the man? You would think you would just say, hey, sauce, maybe it's one of the best corners in the league when you're at the apex of your powers we'll just lock you on we'll do all the fancy stuff with everyone else

and I do think that there's a chance say we could get a trade with sauce during the season that would be fascinating Glenn did say after the game that he has confidence in Steve Wilkes and will let him do his job you indicated to me Ollie that you think this is

very much Aaron Glenn's defense it is not Steve Wilkes's defense it's a Frankenstein monster of the two in a way that is completely incoherent This is make a call one way or either. You're asking Aaron Glenn to call half his defense, essentially when it's a true dropback game and Aaron Glenn's defense the rest of the time.

Either let him call his defense and build his defense, which is probably too late to reinstall and reimagine now, or you take over responsibility and call your defense the way you see it. The problem Glenn's got is he is really struggling with just the management of the game. So the idea of just being like, we brought in you as the defensive guru, which I'm not so sure was the case necessarily in Detroit anyway,

but they're asking to take that on when he's struggling already with some of the head coach responsibilities I think will be too much to ask. And you know how you can tell who's a good head coach or who's doing a good head coaching job is you start elevating players who hadn't been elevated to that level that we've seen before. Giovante Williams, the way he's playing. Ryan Flournoy goes six for 114.

And then I thought it was interesting to hear Dak Prescott said he told his four replacement offensive linemen this week four of them hey remember how I once got into the starting lineup like you can get that job and you can stay there I don't know if that's going to be the case for these Cowboys Offensive

linemen but they are doing more with less they're at 2-2 and 1 they're one of the most fun teams in the NFL despite you know a pretty rough defense let's go to another team that ended or entered Sunday without a win

first in 10 Saints Trail 14 to 6 527 ball at the 13 moving left right Rattler under center play action stands in the middle

throws it deep and he's got a wide open Machine Shaheed I've exposed to play 30 20 15 CU later 5 no flags

touchdown Saints 87 yards oh that was Mike Casa WWL Well, yes, the Saints fell down 14 to 3 to the Giants and end the game with 23 straight points. The Saints have a win in the 2025 season. And I am relieved, frankly, Will Gavin, that Spencer Rattler has finally won a game in which he was the starting quarterback because he deserved better and he was the better quarterback today against Jackson Dart.

7 and 15 on third downs. He was pressured 54.8% of the time did not take a single sack against a much vaunted giant's defensive line. I just, he, for me, and maybe not been the biggest surprise because I think he came in and did some really good functional stuff previously. But as a guy who has come in and actually proven he could be a starter in this league, at least a long-term option for a team as a backup,

like I've been really, really enjoying what he's been putting on film. And actually, this whole Saints team, like, there is a talent problem. Is there a coaching problem? I don't think so. But, like, I honestly feel like they are not a team who look like they should be one and four. This might be their only winner of the year based on their talent. Oh, stop. But I think there is a system there.

I think there is a quarterback there. I think there's a lot to like about this Saints team, even though they have had their struggles. And you said it, it's a deserved win today. I enjoyed it. They're always good for one win over the Falcons. They played the Panthers twice. That's one too.

I love the call by Kellyn Moore, who's had some curious game management moments this year, including the first half of this game, but they had a fourth and five up 12 with four 12 to go. We're talking about Jonathan Ginnon, not having any faith in Kyler Murray. Kellyn Moore was like, just have a regular dropback.

And we'll trust you, Spencer Rattler. And he completed the first down to burn another couple, minutes off the clock before a second Blake Groupie miss of the day. They actually could have won this game by a little more than they did. But ultimately, I was really impressed with the way they responded to the early deficit. Yeah, and I'm interested in what you thought of Jackson Dart in the second start. He missed a good opportunity.

I felt in a flea flicker to Deris Slateens to tick behind. And we talked about Dylan Gabriel earlier in the show where I didn't feel like the pieces were ever moving too quickly for him. I felt in this game, in contrast to last week with Dart, everything was so in a box and predefined and pre-set for him that he didn't really have to deal with any kind of complex deal on moving piece on the back end. I thought as Brandon Staley started moving stuff around this week, he looked pretty sped up. The first two drives went perfectly, just like the way last week started for Jackson Darry. He was six for six in the first two drives. He didn't have to do

too much. It was a lot of running and they get up with the two early touchdowns. And then after that, it was just a lot of hope balls. I was thinking if they were just going to throw throw up prayers because they were in man coverage quite a bit in this game and and he was just given his receiver's chances but he was not accurate and I was thinking if you're just going to throw moonballs the whole time like Russell Wilson might as well be in there he's better at it I think dart finishes four for 12 on passes over 10 yards and his numbers under pressure in this game were also really poor a couple of interceptions eight for 15 for 63 yards whereas rattler made a number

of really good plays against pressure. I thought the Inceptions were a little tough on him. One was on that fourth and sixth, which is essentially like an arm punt at that point, right? He just had nowhere to go with the ball. And Bo Collins just completely stops his route short on the second one. Like, there's Darts trying to throw with a little bit of anticipation, trying to throw to the man, to where the man's going to be,

and he just stops up on his route. And so I didn't think he was as good a performance as the first one. Clearly, he's a guy with a lot of growth to do. but the Inceptions make his stat line look a lot worse when neither of them were completely on. His worst throws were incompletions where he just was inaccurate. You mentioned the Slayton one.

There was a couple other deep ones where he really threw to the inside when he should have thrown to the outside or he was late on the throw. He also fumbled on a play where he just dropped the ball out of nowhere. That was really bad. That was tough.

But I do like seeing Shaheed in the big plays and what the heck. in another big play. Let's get the fumble recovery touchdown, which put this game out of reach. Second and seven. Giants now, moving towards the end zone field level suites.

Snap to dart, inside hand off to Scataboo. Balls loose. Stakes picked it up. That's Jordan Hout 30, 40. Midfield, 40, 30. They're not going to catch him. See you later. Bye. Jordan Houton.

Touchdown. South Sates! Woo! I thought both those young safeties played really well today, and it's easy to look at that when they both have a fumble recovery. Sanker recovering the fumble from the DiMario Davis one and then Haldon with the scoop and score. But I thought they both played well.

Again, part of that thing is like there's just those signs of life for the sakes. Oh, my name is Jonas Sanker, to break out my Chris Bermanism at 249 in the morning. He has been fantastic, made a lot of good tackles in this game, and that was Brian Brissy with the force fumble on that play. DiMario Davis had a force fumble earlier in the game, and the broadcast noted that DeMario Davis played at the same senior bowl as Kellyn Moore. He's still out there getting it done. Congrats, Spencer Rattler, the first quarterback drafted by the Saints

to win a start since Danny Worfell. in 1998. To Carolina we go. Panthers have to call play before the two-minute warning. Young under center, tremble the fullback in the offset eye. Here's the snap. Faked to E.T.N.

Bryce throws, caught by Evans, catapults, into the end zone for a touchdown. It's another rookie. It's Mitchell Evans, and he gives Carolina the lead with 159 to go. A member of the Miami Dolphins, Bradley Chub, called this game a bizarre game.

The Carolina Panthers win 27 to 24, despite losing the turnover battle by two, despite trailing in the game, 17 to nothing. I don't know, Will, if there is a single game all season in a recap show, that I have less clue of what happened. All right. Please tell me. Let me tell you. The Carolina Panthers had that.

17 point at first half deficit. Darren Waller coming back another touchdown to this unbelievable comeback tour to put them in what seemed like a seeming insurmountable 17 point leader at that point. David Canales' job is being questioned, left, right, and centre. Somebody in this very room

called for the benching of Bryce Young. No, he's correct. False. You can delete social media posts later on after posting them initially. At one point, he gave up the ball twice in three offensive plays. The second drive of the game, he sat by Bradley Chubb fumbles.

That leads to the touchdown drive with two hitting Devon Aitchan on the 10-yarder and then on the second play of the insuring drive he was picked off by Mink Fitzpatrick while targeting Xavier Legate and he was having a really rough day at that point. But late in the second quarter, Bryce Young found Xavier Legate

for a seven-yard touchdown strike, cut that league down and then it became the Rico Dowdell game. 206 yards and a score. He was five yards off. the angelo williams franchise record he had a 53 yard at a 43 yard run just absolutely they outgamed miami on the ground 237 yards to 19 they were absolutely pulled them apart after going down 17 and honestly they might have called it a weird game but i thought the carolina panthers

really showed out at that point and deserved this one they did it was a really gutsy gutsy win bryswing had some really impressive throws in the second half at that game and i did not call of him to be bench, I inquired as to whether it would be a conversation as to whether Bryce should be bench. He was playing awfully in the first half. In the second half, he played significantly better. He played pretty well down the stretch

that the final drive to end the first off, though they still had a ton of operational issues. No one can ever get lined up there. Bryce didn't understand his own snap count. There was all kind of errors with false starts and the ball getting snapped early. He tried to take a timeout when the team had no timeouts remaining. The officials didn't

catch it. They thought it was a hand clap for a snap And so they snapped the ball to him and he panicked and was able to try and figure it out but in the second half as well mentioned it was just all Rico Dowdell the interior that Dolphins' defensive line is so poor

they were getting not back off the ball Paul Kenneth Grant six seven eight yards down the field consistently consistently pushed off the ball the dolphins started trying to move in further and further down the line to hide him from being at the point of attack

and the panders would just ID him and say we're doubling off him again and we're going to double until he's off the field Rico Dowdo the fantasy pickup of the year if he was available in your league going into this game it just feels like a pretty big organizational failure to be that soft on the ground and then going up against a run defense which is historically about a year ago it's just kind of normally mediocre to bad this year and only be able will to run the ball on design runs 13 times for 14 yards between divan h.an and

Ollie Gordon. Yeah, not pretty at all. And what I really liked about this, this Panthers' performance, the dolphins we can get to. But after they did go 20 to 17 up, Tuotung of ILO hit Jalen Wadle on a 46-yard, it was a lovely pass, great touchdown,

and it put them back into the lead with only a few minutes remaining. And you heard on that call there for the Mitchell Evans winning touchdown, he said another rookie, because prior to that, on this drive, Bryce Young had a fourth and five where he stepped up in the pocket,

and threw just a laser to Jimmy Horn on the sideline to pick up that fourth down. It was a really great game-winning touchdown drive. Eight plays, 83 yards, the late-round rookies pulling out for them. And so I just wanted to give them the shout for coming back in this game twice, essentially. But from Miami perspective,

they had this game almost sewn up in the first half and couldn't just eke out. I just have to shout out another Bryce throw. The touchdown throw to Xavier Liggett is an extraordinary throw. It is a down, is a go ball shot fade supposed to be hung up to the outside back corner at the end zone

and Bryce says forget that I'm throwing it, I'm ripping it on a line to the inside shoulder to the corner it peaks right at the last second it almost has this like arcing curve in towards Xavier Legat is an all time level fade ball throw which is not traditionally what you would think of

with Bryce Young so you do get this really high variance with Bryce Young where from SnapSap he may forget to hold on to the football even during the snap process us, but when you give him targets down the field, he really is one of the most efficient downfield throws in the league. It is strange because you don't think of him as being this next level talent, but if you just stack up his very best throws, it is among some of the best in the league, and maybe I'll

take a look at that, and we'll think about it for best throw of the year nominee, and suddenly this Panthers team is two and three, and undefeated at home as well. They have the Cowboys and Jets next, just crazier things. have happened. Those are games that they have a chance to win. I know you wanted to slam on the dolphins before we get out. I don't want to just slam on the dolphins. No, I'm not going to pick a part of the Miami Dolphins. I think there's plenty of that been done over the recent weeks, but one and four at this point. You talked about the eight one and four teams in the NFL. I'm struggling to think of one of those teams outside of the Titans that I've maybe been less

impressed with the Dolphins. And this defense has just been a, like the front looks washed. All of those guys coming off injuries just look absolutely like they've got no twitch when Bradley Chubb had that sack earlier I thought oh he's turning up and then they barely got any pressure the rest of the game it just I can't buy into this defense in any way shape or form it's just a really strange situation with Mike McDaniel

I can't remember the last time we had a guy who was like a run game architect that's his thing those are usually the rah rah guys and I know that's not who Mike McDaniel is but it's a team that is just soft they get no push up front inside they go and they bring in all the big boys in the off season, right? They draft

Jonas Sev in the second round, thinking we're going to get some interior push. They have Patrick Paul in the second season. And Aaron Brewer, to his credit, is fighting like crazy inside in a season where most center players pretty poor. He's probably one of the three or four best individual sentence in the league.

And as he's crushing people up front, it's just bodies falling all around him. On the interior of the defensive line, they get pushed back off the ball. It is just wild to me that a guy who has made his name as the architect of wrong game football can feel such a soft team. It's funny how narratives happen and attention. We'll see what happens with Miami in the next couple of weeks.

But the fact that they got that win over the Jets in prime time kind of like took the heat, took the attention off, but it doesn't get much worse than losing a 17 point lead in Carolina. And so it's going to be an uncomfortable week. It's obviously an uncomfortable season for the Dolphins. my stay here at Talksport though been very comfortable it's been beautiful stop it it's been lovely having you for the last 10 days or so

in Dublin here in London we've loved it I feel bad for making you come into the office so much this week I guess that's not a normal thing apparently I didn't realize that I don't enjoy how much they laughed on the other side of the glass to that one thank you guys no I mean my wife might not thank you but I've had a wonderful time

coming into the office listening to you nerds talk about football when I wasn't involved getting involved it as well. It's been a great time. No, it's the most fun thing that I get a chance to do is call these games with you in person and hopefully we can

meet back up at the Super Bowl. Only big games, international games. And Ollie, you were awesome on the call. Awesome. On the podcast, I did want to thank everyone who's helped us here. Tom Scholesy. Scolesy! Scowlesy!

Will Barney. Really running the show. uh behind the scenes and then uh of course our guys eric roberts and chris bubona behind the scenes and it takes a lot of people henry hodgson is always very important to this entire operation it was great to see him on the sideline today you know who else i saw on the sidest and uh that might have been as if this story's coming out to end the pods of course uh we're throwing a sunday night football in just a second uh but of course it's coming out jason sedac i'm just talking to henry on the sideline, and I didn't even know Jason Sadek is there, and suddenly he comes into our sight line,

stands right in front of me, looks me in the eye, and says, nice to see you, and shakes my hand, and then, you know, walks back. And it may have been a mistaken identity situation. I don't really know. He's saying that now. He came upstairs all big time. Oh, I was excited.

This is permission right now. Jordan Rodriguez, Patrick Claibon, everyone else involved in the show, you can absolutely rip into him for that. He was so proud of himself and yeah, he basically big-timed us for the rest of the game after that. He was the bell of the ball all day. Everyone was coming up to him asking for selfies.

He's just swanning around London. In the press box, in the media room, people were coming up and asking him for selfies and telling him just how important the show was to him. It was lovely to hear, but also it's quite funny for a man as awkward as Greg Rosenthal to get told how wonderfully he is, left right and centre. We think he's wonderful.

At the end of the game, after you'd left, somebody asked for my play-calling sheet, you know, with all the stats and everything on. And we're pretty sure they're only asked for it because you'd been in the facility. Oh, stop that. It really is awesome, though, to hear from the listeners more. Less so like the media members, that's great. That's great as well, too.

But walking up to the game today, I did the same thing as a week ago. I got out of the tube stop at the Seven Sisters stop, so you get a nice long walk. And it really is crazy to see how much this game is embraced here. and just the total enthusiasm for it. It makes it feel like a big game and they know how to throw it. Over Under, who had more? Greg Selfies or Me Pints of Guinness in Dublin.

I think it generally would be about level terms. Okay, I think that that's it. Shout out to Jason today because maybe he watched Sky Sports or something last week. I'm thinking like, is he a little bit? Maybe he's a tall for too, listener. Why couldn't that be the cat, Greg? That could be the case.

It's been an incredible week and a half. over here in Dublin, and then in London. We'll wrap it up here, but on the other side of the break, you're going to hear a wild and hopefully Patriots-heavy review of Bill's Patriots. And, yeah, I will be back on Monday night, which seems like startlingly soon with Nick. We'll see you then. what's up everybody daniel jeremiah here and i'm bucky brooks on move the sticks we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies coaching trends and how front offices construct winning rosters every week we study the tape talk to decision makers and share the insights you won't find anywhere else is the kind of conversation that connects the dots from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow we break down the draft analyze matches and

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. And now he'll look to convert from 52 from the right edge. The ashby snapped at Beringra, the swing to the right leg by Boregallas. The kicks sail into the upright. It's good. And the Patriots have the lead with 15. seconds to go. The rookie delivers. I'm in.

Bob Sosie's back home game winners. That felt good, boy, didn't it? Oh, it felt good. It looked good off the leg of Andy Boragallis, as that kick ultimately didn't determine the game. The Patriots needed to make two more plays after that. They made those plays. And it's over. Nick Shook, Patrick Claibon on here, NFL daily Sunday night football recap time. There's no more undefeated teams, so the NFL's bad, Nick. We've got to get rid of, we got to get rid of the league. We're real close, I think, to complete in the parody circle after only five weeks and we still got the Monday nighter to go.

Yeah, this is, it's time. It's time. Shout out to the 72 Dolphins and the memory of Mercury Morris, who was always a big celebrator of this. And honestly, I'm glad that the conversation's over now because now we can focus on the rest of the season without worrying about who's got the big zero next to their team name. Yeah, we just worry about seating at home away. The way things go in the playoffs, it's not college. football. You don't have to run the table. It's just got to be there in a right spot to make a play when your team gets a, it gets an opportunity. And the Patriots took advantage of their

opportunities here, Shook, in a game that was fumble night football to start off both teams kind of draining the energy from what was an electric high mark stadium with the special uniforms for the bills. And then things really got going to the second half where both offenses kind of heated up for a bit. Yeah, you know, that first half that you speak of that was so ugly, It was also ugly because penalties just ran rampant, especially for the bills. They had eight at half time and including a pass interference in the end zone that set up the Patriots with an opportunity to score. They didn't execute, but an opportunity to score, they ended up getting three points out of it. And it was very uncharacteristic of the bills largely, and the Patriots credit to them got a little bit out of it.

But what really happened in that second half, like you just alluded to, is the Patriots kind of waking up offensively, finding a bit of a groove, Drake May taking over. Mike Vrabel going back to Ramandre Stevenson after he'd fumbled twice, you know, earlier in the game and then finding, like, coming to understand that, yes, we belong here, we are in this fight and we can actually do this. Like, when we look at the Patriots, this is going to sound crazy right now.

But in the Mike Vrable era, when teams turn a corner, there's always that moment, that game. This could very well be that game that we look back to the Patriots and think, that's when they all started to believe and when Vrabel's imprint really started to, you know, take effect with this team.

And it's only week five. which is super encouraging beyond the fact that they pull off the upset went over the bills, 23 to 20. Yeah, and we look at it got a balanced performance from the Patriots in the second half, not just the offense, especially Drake May working those balls down the sideline to Stefan Diggs, who had a huge revenge game against his old team. In fact, there was a ball to Hunter Henry in the second half where he goes up, kind of snatches it out of the sky than the very next play. dig spins out of a short route, gets a lot of run after the catch.

So those two played great. But Marcus Jones in this Patriots defense, Milton Williams, guys continue to make plays in a way where we felt shook watching this Buffalo Bill's defense. Hey, at some point this season, the Bill's defense is going to need to make plays. The Patriots defense made the plays the Bill's defense couldn't down the stretch. Yeah, Marcus Jones with an incredible interception. On a pass that looked very familiar to, if anybody watched Bill Saints last week, I understand if you didn't.

But if he did, Josh Allen threw a similar pick, and he almost threw another one just like this, a late ball forced over the middle. It was not intercepted in that game. Marcus Jones is a premier athlete with incredible speed that we usually see in special teams. This time we see it on the defensive side of the ball, covers the ground, dives in front of the pass, makes it a phenomenal interception. That was a huge point in that game that stopped a bills drive that was, you know, I mean, because in the second half, except for that last possession, the bills could move the ball with relative ease. that one was super important that it stopped them in their tracks, gave the Patriots the ball back, continued to give them both hope that they could get this done

and also another opportunity to tack on to their lead, which they did. And so the Buffalo Bills get another opportunity, and it's kind of this situation where when you have this freak athlete at quarterback who's able to do so much, obviously everybody wants to see Josh Allen Hero Ball, that's why we watch. But we saw the ways where it can kind of go off the rails where if he's trying to ultimately do too much,

and there was a couple of scary moments there on one drive where Josh lands on his throwing shoulder and then another scramble down towards the red zone, you know, that slender area of Highmark Stadium, which is why, you know, across the parking lot, there's a new stadium going on. It looks like Josh was in danger of going in to the camera cart at one point, but they get an opportunity there.

And again, this Patriots team, are resilient as they are. They come right back down the field and get the game-winning field goal where we have a little bit of a different thought. And you brought it up, Shook, about this Patriots team, what their long-term aspirations can be. Level of concern, this is just a weird division game at home for the Buffalo Bills. They played the previous rendition of the New England Patriots at Highmark Stadium in a three-point game late last season. So it's not like it's that far of a departure. but are you concerned for the bills at this point? Well, yeah, because, you know, you can always point to,

oh, you throw the records out the window in a rivalry, and Nike has legitimately taken over the idea of a rivalry with these rivalry uniforms, which, by the way, I think the bills might want to light those on fire after the result tonight, although they do look very good. But I don't think that that's the case here. I think what we are seeing is an example of a Patriots team that's starting to build confidence under Mike Vrable.

They started that to really build that confidence with their victory last week, a walk in the park for them, a cruise the first time Scott Zolak got to relax in the booth in ages then tonight he gets to enjoy a game winning field goal which he even mentioned first time we've had that in a long time right these are the small steps towards sustained success so i think that it was an example of that it's also the example of a quarterback who is very talented who patriots fans have known for a while now we have a guy here Greg rosenthal is known for a while they got a guy there that he all he cares about the season is the development of drake may the national audience got to see what

Drake May brings to the table, especially breaking the pocket tonight. Buffalo continuing to flush him out, inexplicably slow so, because he was so good outside of the pocket. You see the Stefan Diggs revenge game. All of this comes together in one big giant pot of stew and cooks up something that's much more delicious than you thought. Now, you might not be able to get to actually eat that for a while, but you get a taste. Maybe you throw a little more salt and pepper in there, your taste testing right now. The first taste is very good for the Patriots. But to answer your initial question, yes, I am concerned. Not because I'm concerned about the bill. I have a take here. It's going to piss off a lot of Bill's fans. And I'm fine with that.

You can come after me. You can make fun of me for being bald. I don't care. I think that Buffalo has not been tested this year. And you can point to week one against Baltimore and then incredible comeback and everything else. But what are the Ravens done since then? Not a great litmus test for them. Otherwise, their schedule has been remarkably soft. Okay. The next three games they played, Jets, Dolphin, Saints. Probably two or three of the worst teams in the NFL as it currently stands. Jets still winless. Last winless team in the NFL. And then you get the Patriots tonight. A game that you think, yeah, we're definitely going to win that one. I think that this is an example of the bill's shortcomings, shortcomings

in personnel defensively, shortcomings in how they approach their offense sometimes. Like, James Cook did not touch the ball nearly enough tonight. Collinsworth is going mad about it in the first half of this game. He doesn't end up touching the ball very much. Even when the game is still within reach, some credit goes to the Patriots defense way that they tried to bottle him up, but he didn't touch it nearly enough. And I think that when we look at Buffalo, we see Josh Allen, we think Super Bowl contender, you have the MVP on your team, which is valid. But I think there's more weaknesses and cracks in this team than people realize. And a game like this will force them to look back at themselves and say, what do we need to correct? You can't afford to have

eight penalties in the first half against anybody. Divisional game Patriots doesn't matter. So I don't know if it necessarily concerns me. I think it more justifies what I thought about the bills, which is like there's a little bit of fraudulence with this team right now. I don't see them as highly as other people do. And they will have a chance to reveal them their true selves on the road in Atlanta coming up on October the 13th. And if, if you know, Stefan Diggs, the aging, Stefan Diggs was a problem. Drake London and Bison Robinson should perform a slightly bit of a more athletic test in the secondary for the Buffalo Bills. And the New England Patriots have the Saints up next as they continue their run and trying to figure out how good both of them.

of these teams are fun matchups to look forward to. Of course, let's look back and celebrate the cast of, you know, about probably about 850 people facilitated the past couple of weeks for Greg Rosenthal over in both Ireland as well as in London. And thank you, Ollie Colley and Will Gavin, who you heard at the start of this spectacular pod. And Shook, we're going to get Greg back. And that's something I'm excited to finally have Greg back home because we missed it. We really did. I'm very much looking forward to sharing a virtual screen with the international man of mystery himself, Greg Rosenthal. I will do it I can to lay hand upon Rosenthal on your behalf, Nick Shook. For everyone, again, involved in our operation, thanks for joining us for this pod that has spanned oceans all the way to bring football from us to you.

Happy week five. We've got one more game Monday night. Looking forward to it for Nick Shook. I'm Patrick Claibon. See you next time. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move to Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

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