NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 25 Players in 25 Years: Nate Tice on Nos. 11-8

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Yahoo! Sports' Nate Tice to reveal numbers 11 through 8 of NFL Daily's Top 25 Players of the Last 25 Years. Gregg and Nate kick of this tier of players with tight end Rob Gronkowski at number 11 (01:30), Pro Football Hall-of-Famer Derrelle Revis at number 10 (15:30), Pro Football Hall-of-Famer Randy Moss at number 9 (25:30), and wrap up the show with Pro Football Hall-of-Famer Ray Lewis at number 9 (42:05).  Note: time codes approximate Don't miss any of NFL Daily's Top 25 Players of the Last 25 Years where Gregg is joined by ESPN's Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell, Yahoo! Sports' Nate Tice, NFL Network's Steve Wyche and Brian Baldinger and broadcasting legend Kevin Harlan to break down the best NFL players since the turn of the century.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. This is a big six-part series where we break down the best. players of the century so far. We've made it all the way to episode four. And that means we're going to hit the top 10 in this episode. And when I was thinking of who could come on during this series, one name kept coming back to me. And even though he just had a baby, I said,

Nate Tice, can you break your paternity leave to come on the show? I felt really bad. I didn't know that when I first asked you, but you just wanted to talk ball. We've got some personal connections on this show. And so I'm really so excited that Nate Tice of Yahoo Sports. Check out his football podcast, 301. You're with us today. We're going to have some fun. Yes.

No, you threw some nice bait in the water to get me on this one. Yeah, it was like, it was not only just the one that I definitely have a connection to. The others that we're talking about. We're also like, yeah, yeah, twist my arm to talk about these players. So no, happy to be here. Thanks for it's all good. I got enough sleep to be able to talk about these players to try and remember my childhood a little bit with some of these.

I know. I knew. So I wanted like, like, Baldi is a perfect guess he was just on because he's covered the league the whole time. And so I was thinking about guys like that, you know, like Steve Weish, Kevin Harland, guys like that too. But I, I knew that even when Nate Tice was a wee lad, he was following this like it was his freaking job. So I can't wait to talk about these players. Let's go to our first one of the day. Number 11, Rob Grancowski. From the Rams 31, shotgun snap to Brady, dropping back, lobs a throw. Before Gronkowski, left side, makes the catch. Over two defenders, tumbling to the two.

And it's a 29-yard strike to the big boy. His favorite tight end, the old world tight end. What a catch. It's just crunch time. When it's crunch time, Tom loves to throw me to ball, and I love to make that play. Here's the snap out of the gun. Play action fake, passed up. Gratkowski.

He's going to score a touchdown. Touchdown, Tamabay. Holy Gronkoboli. He breaks the record. He's got his 23rd touchdown in the postseason from Tom Brady. Rob does things that wide receivers do Makes the grab at the 40 Rob does things that tight ends do

and Rob does things that all of its and linemen do Burkhead is into the end zone. Are you kidding me? What an amazing catch by Grancashkis. It's the play of the year. It is the play of the year. Unbelievable. How the f did you catch that? I love that clip of Tom Brady miced up asking what a lot of us would ask of Rob Grunkowski throughout his career. Like, how did you do that? A player like no other, number

11 on our list, the number one tight end on the list. And Nate, I'll start with how we started that clip because his last moment as a patriot before he quote unquote retired the first time was essentially making the biggest play and winning a Super Bowl. And just the game before that, he walked the chiefs down the field to help get to that Super Bowl. And I think of the conference championship game against the Broncos when they didn't have much. And he's just carrying them to almost force overtime in that game. And it's funny, you think of all the things and we'll get into the versatility and what made him great. But his ability there, and you saw the Bucks play too, like he led the Bucks in receiving in that game.

In a game with Mike Evans and Chris Godwood and Antonio Brown, like he led the Bucs. He had two touchdowns. He led them in receiving too. So coming through in the biggest moments. And to me, this is a list about the highest level of excellence when they were at their best. And that, to me, is Rob Gunkowski. One of the most dominant players in NFL history at any position. And probably, I'm glad you said he's the number one tight end on this list, which I agree with.

I think he is the best tight end of all time. And I'm including players that are still playing. Maybe he should even be higher than number 11 on this list. But I like, I like you backing me up. Yes, just absolute dominance. And not only just like, oh, I test stuff, just their statistical stuff. you know, the scoring in his second year, I believe it was, all the touchdowns that he had, the yak that he had, he was throwing guys off of him. I always thought that Gronk was kind of looked

like the kid that hit puberty early in Little League and kind of was just be able to throw everybody off because he was so much bigger and stronger than everybody else. Like the only blemish on his entire career was that Miami-Hale Mary play. Oh, come on. He's that defense. That's not his fault. That's the only one I have in his career. But one of the most dominant players, You even hint to that, the versatility, like this guy, and in the video of the clips, they said that right there, he's catching fade balls, fade touchdowns, which were automatic, it felt like. And it wasn't, you know, the other tight end at that time that was doing that was what, Jimmy Graham, you know, he was catching fade balls. And most people hate fade throws. So I get it.

But when you have that automatic answer, they're great. Like, it's really nice to have when you can just get about 80% of the time. And but the thing with Gronk, you know, Jimmy Graham was a glorious. certified receiver that wanted to be called a receiver, actually. Gronk was a blocker. That was what they said too. And I'm not just like, oh, he was pretty good at it. It's like, no, an absolute one of the best blocking tight ends ever on top of being one of the best receiving tightens ever, probably one of the most dominant as well.

So he was the complete package and probably just one of the best players at his peak compared to his peers like ever, I think. Yeah, you mentioned the second season. He had 1,300 yards, 90 catches, 17 touchdowns. And, you know, he was always a touchdown maker. by far the leader in touchdowns throughout his career compared to other tight ends, just like far and away. And still, and it's crazy when you have an all-time rate stat like this over some of the guys back in the day when the game was just different, but by far the leaders in yards per catch of a tight end. So you think efficiency, like he managed to catch 15 yards per catch his entire career, Nate.

So you don't quite like, I don't think people immediately think of Gronk as a big play maker. and I want to get to the blocking and everything. But when you think of the efficiency of red zone, big plays, and the fact that he didn't go out for as many routes necessarily as some of the other tight ends, because he was in blocking and obviously very valuable, more valuable as a run blocker, it's just next level. And we spent a lot of the episode, Travis Kelsey was 25 on this list, Nate. And so Mina and I spent a decent amount of time kind of comparing.

And for me, this list is more about how great you. you were at your greatest. And obviously, you have to have some longevity. Rob Gunkowski had that. And to me, it's not that close because of that versatility. The way, and you can maybe explain this better than me as a real film guy, like the way that he tilted defenses because of the run pass option, because of how good he was as a blocker.

Like, what did he do to the opposition? Like the guys that change the math or make the opposing team honor them. I think anybody who watched NBA playoffs kind of feels this sometimes where you're like one guy's getting picked on over and over and over or one guy, you know, on defense or offense. And then the NFL, that's what it is week to week. Not saying other sports aren't. You can just see it more hyper-focused in the playoffs. But in the NFL, Gronks on the field, as opposed to other tight ends, especially since about this time to now, they're more what we call receiving tight ends, Fs, H's, guys that are off the ball or split out. Maybe as Sam Leporta is a guy that comes to mind.

But you do not want Sam Leporteur at the point of attack. As a defense, I can treat Sam Leporta or less as a receiver, just a big receiver. He is a pass catcher, but I'm just going, yeah, he's a receiver to us. So that changes defensive looks. That changes what they can throw at you. And there's some good, there's some, a lot of bad to that. There can be some good to that. You can take advantage of it if you can get an offense coordinator like Ben Johnson.

But I would just say that that is just what, it makes it harder on play callers and play designers because there's some limitations. With Gronk, you can literally do anything. You can split him out one-on-one. You can attach him next to a tackle. You can run behind him. You do not have to hide him in the run game. You're actually using him as the point of attack.

And that in itself is usually a guys that can do that aren't really great receivers. Guys like Josh Oliver right now, who's like a fine receiver. But Gronk was the best receiver. So it's just that's that. I actually think Travis Kelsey at 25 is like a tad low. But you mentioned the 15 yards per catch in his career. career, Kelsey never hit that mark ever in a season, you know, like, like the highest that Kelsey ever had is 13.5 in 2020. So you're saying Kelsey shouldn't be on the list or he should be,

no, should be higher. It's tough. When you, when you see these names, they're, they're the only, they're the only two tight ends. I mean, then he's jumping over guy. Like, these are the quality of players you're jumping over, though. It's like Walter Jones and, oh, you know, like this list is outrageous, you know, and Terrell Owens and players like, like that Lamar Jackson. I recam my statement. you know, just look at the list first, but yeah, that versatility is the difference of why he's that high to me. Yeah, why? Yeah, he's the why tight. No, but it's there's, I talk about rarity at a position. Like, you're never, it's going to be, I don't think we ever see a guy at this level that can do both things this well. Truly be elite blocking and an elite receiver and not just

like, oh, he's good hands. And he's the number two, number three. He's like, no, he was the guy of a passing attack and in the red zone. He's a unicorn player. It's just one of those. I wish he was always healthy and stuff. And we always just got to see the true, true of all of it. But man, the flashes are just the sustained flashes. It's been amazing.

Yeah. It's fair to point out, 2012, 2013, like what would have been right in the prime of his career, suffered through some injuries and didn't stay on the field as much. But then he did bounce back. He ultimately had about seven seasons where he was on the field, almost the entire time. And those seasons, like almost every one of them, he was first team all pro.

And it's interesting to think about the different eras of Gronk because when he comes into the league 2010, he's a, what, 6'6 tight end, just a monster, 264 pounds. And you would think he would be like a high traffic. And yeah, he had some back injuries, but that wasn't the only reason they got drafted low. Like people weren't sure. If you go look at the NFL.com profile, Nate,

they were like, is he really explosive? enough, like, is he good enough route runner, like, to be an explosive guy? He got taking 17 spots, Nate, behind Tim Tebow. And I'm glad you pointed out the hands, because to me, that stands out to me, like, he could go pick up a Tom Brady, almost a ground ball missile and just grab it off the turf. In addition to catching those fade balls that you mentioned, he was good coming out of, in and out of his routes. Like, I thought he was, like, really good at that. for his size. And I think about, I really do think about this Denver sequence that happened in the AFC championship game was, was one of the worst Patriots teams that got that far.

Stephen Jackson was their running back. And they're trying to win a game that they're heavy underdogs in. And it's fourth and ten. The season is over if you don't pick up fourth and ten. Denver with a great defense, you know, the no-fly zone is double covering them. They're like, we're not going to let Gronk beat us on this play. And he decides to just, like, run a go. I think it's his option because he's like, this is my best chance to beat them. And he catches a 40-yard catch in double coverage to keep the season going.

Then on fourth down, season is absolutely on the line, like, once again. And he makes a crazy toe-tapping touchdown over a receiver in the back of the end zone to give them a chance to win that game. They don't get the two-point conversion. They lose by two. They needed that too. But it's like that's the sort of legendary stuff that I think, for me, at his very highest level is just he's just doing things other guys never did and that to me is

what I'm looking for when I'm looking at these top like when we're getting now into the elite of the elite players at the very top of this list. Yeah, what the guys are like, man, I don't know if we ever see that again. That's really what. And also on top of it, I know what his persona is. But like as an on-field player, he's extremely smart. Like he's a very smart football player and understood landmarks and you know obviously could take tough coaching with under belichick and stuff but i i think also that that's an underrated aspect with him was his understanding of where to get to why he's getting there you hear him talk some football even like uh the no laying up guys the golf podcasters uh golf guys they would talk to him about their quarterback rankings and he actually

had like real tangible thoughts on quarterback rankings it wasn't just like oh yeah he's a ball or you know like it was like no no like he actually you know you could tell he's watching but you know so it's it's something that i think has also just been underrated with him uh and you said that he dropped in the draft and um he's one of those guys and this always happens uh when a guy breaks out he's the he's the number one guy i would say where every or a lot of coaches and personnel guys go you know gronk was the number one guy at my board but uh you know just uh no i had medicals like we had we had gold star rankings which man which guy was your guy and he was he was my guy that year.

And I was like, he went the second round. It wasn't like he went 22, you know, in the first or 26 in the first. It was like, he went the second round. So I just think he's always that funny. He's one of those all-timers for me about that guy that was like, no, no, he was my guy, but we had this, this, and that. And that's why we didn't take him. Hell, even the Patriots took someone ahead of him, although it was Devin McCordy, who had

a fantastic dream. Worked out of care. Yeah, there's this play. I remember when Jonas Gray, I think it was during his. his crazy game against the Colts, this running back for the Patriots who had one brief shining moment for them on a primetime game,

scores a touchdown. And Gronk blocks one of their defensive back, Sergio Brown, like, into the stand. And he gets a penalty for it. And I've never seen Bill Belichick and the rest of the Patriots sort of like celebrating an unsportsman-like penalty for Gronk because it was after the play.

The touchdown still counted. And he just enjoyed, according to Gronk, like throwing them out of the club. It was feats like this next play. Let's look at one last grong play before we move on. They protected Brady, no sacks in the game for the Bears. The spread offense continues. Brady gets time.

Fires and completes it to Bratowski. Fights off Monday. Hats for the goal line. Touchdown. The beast is loose. It's like Danny Almalantae out there. Check his birth certificate. It really is that.

You mentioned, yeah, the guy going through puberty early. I mean, for some people, Nate, I'm speaking out of experience. That just means, like, shooting up to 5-5 in seventh grade and maybe being, like, a shooting guard for one year instead of the point card. So it doesn't work out the same for everyone. But that was the man, Rob Grunkowski and Chiefs fans who aren't happy about Kelsey. Look, he got on the list. It's an honor just to be nominated.

That's true. in our entire top 10. We've reached the top 10. Let's go. Number 10, Dorell Revis. With the 14th pick in the 2007 NFL draft, the New York Jets select Derell Revis, cornerback, Pittsburgh.

Pennington from the pocket. Has time, lobs it to the corner. Revis with the coverage, and Revis pulls it down one hand. Dorel Revis was there, and Ted Ding grabbed him by his shoulder pads and drug him down. You know, there's a lot of good corners in this league, but there's only one to Raul Rivas. Let's go!

Don't be afraid to be great tonight! Don't be afraid to be great! Let's go here and make plays. Let's make history, baby. Let's go. Ballout on three, one, two, three, ball out. And to the jazz fans, I guess it's safe to say we've been through a lot together. Thank you for believing in me and support me every step of the way.

you will always have a place to stay on Revis Island. Four first team all pros, a member of the Hall of Fame's all 2010's first team, the most passes defense in the first five years of his career by a good amount. And stats don't really define Derell Revis, but like Gronk, to me, at his very best, I think he's the best at his position. that I've seen since covering the league. Do you agree, Nate Tice? Yes.

Yes. Him. I'm counting just the last 25 years. Ramsey. Ramsey's up there. Woodson did not even make this list. Certain the second's going to get there. But it's, yeah, but he's going to get there.

I mean, he just went DPO.O.I. So I'm not like saying anything outlandish here. But yeah, he's going to get there. But no, yes, I would say he's the definitive one, though. Like, Revis Island is a deserved nickname. like his his reputation is deserved because there's nobody quite like this. It's why Rex Ryan could be Rex Ryan at the New York Jets is because of Daryl Rivas, which you can't say that about a lot of defenders.

Yeah, speak to that. So Rex has talked about that 2009 season as it was happening, since it was happening, he was so mad that Revis actually didn't win defensive player of the year that year. That was Charles Woodson's crazy statistical year as kind of a safety hybrid player for the Packers and Woodson won it. And I remember at the time thinking, man, it's hard to knock this because Woodson had so many game-changing plays.

But in that 2009 season, I think it's just a pure cover corner. I have not seen anyone else do it like that. And I'll just go through the players that he went against during that season. Randy Moss, two times. Terrell Owens a couple of times, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne.

And none of those players, Nate, went over 35 yards in any of their games, like against Dorel Revis. You mentioned how, you know, he helped Rex do what he did. Could you explain sort of like what he unlocked for the rest of that defense? Well, because Rex Ryan was bringing so, I mean, so much heat, especially then, especially in that era, when he was such an outlier. Actually, a lot of what the modern NFL does is really Rex Ryan influenced. A lot of it.

And it's really cool to see, actually. But with Rex Ryan, it was because of what he ran behind all the funky blitzes and the creepers and simulated pressures that they call them, is he put the, you know, the corners would be in a lot of one-on-one situations. Now today, you know, there's some high-end corners, but I actually say, I think corner play like the standard of it, the floor of it has risen, but the stars are still hard to find, is that defenses now go, we'll just run cover two. behind this look. We'll run like a zone, a version of zone behind this look. While Rex Ryan could just go, well, we're going to run these blitzes and I can run any look behind it. I don't just have to run a safer cover two. I can run man to man. I can run cover three with these situations that puts a guy on, it creates one-on-one situations and good quarterbacks and receivers really, especially in the NFL. It's usually called a gash or be

gash world. All right, you're going to blitz us. If we have the town or we can block it or we have the dudes at quarterback and receiver, we're going to hit a big play against you. But against these Jets teams and why they were so good in that era, so good that they were able to make final four runs with weaker offenses, was that they could just blitz, blitz, or fake blitz, and run all these creepers simulated looks, and no matter what,

they could have a Revis cover the number one guy. And they didn't have to be run a more passive look behind it. They could stay aggressive. And it's just that's what these are the guys that we're talking about. We just said, you just mentioned it. Hey, top 10, top 11, top 15, we're talking about real needle movers. This is a skeleton key kind of player. That's what really, really good corners can do is that they just true outside lockdown corners is they can let you be aggressive because now you can

really only have to cover two and a half seconds or if your blitz doesn't get there, you can hold on for three, three and a half seconds in theory with these types of guys. It just allows defenses to be more aggressive. And then he just went with the aggressive guy and Rex Ryan, just one of those perfect marriages of player, other aspects of this team, and then the coach to kind of wield him at that time. Yeah, he came in talking such a big game. Rex immediately before he even had Revis for a game said, oh, he's the best cornerback in league. He's going to be. And he hadn't really shown that level of play yet, but he saw the vision. And yeah, in that season, 31 passes defense and six interceptions, and he gave up 41 completions on, I think

it was 111 attempts at him. So people were trying them a little bit. So if you do the math, You're throwing for about 30% when you throw it to Revis. And these are the best wide receivers in the league. And when you do throw it on those, when you're complaining at 30% of the time, there is almost an equal chance that a guy makes a catch as Dorel Revis touches the ball. And so that level of total dominance,

it was a demanding style of play. It didn't hold up as well throughout his whole career, but the brilliance that he had for that stretch with the Jets. And then coming back around, it did contribute to him being the top cornerback for me on that list. He was awesome in that 2014 Patriot season. So that was like the era of the Miami Heat super team. And that Revis pickup kind of felt like it because the Patriots were knocking on the door,

knocking on the door. And they got a great Revis season in 2014. And Malcolm Butler helped deliver Daryl Revis and everyone else on that team a championship. it's such a hard position to sustain high level play because it's just twitchiness you look at any sport that requires athleticism or just even quick twitch athleticism it's why kind of you look in combat sports it's why younger fighter or sorry smaller fighters age quicker it's because so much is around and speed and that's what outside positions are kind of like in the NFL i i think rivas if he came into the league five years later he would have a even more excessive

extended career. He had a nice career. But I'm saying he would have maybe caught on for maybe two, three more years because all that zone stuff I talked about, I think he would have been really nice in those types of systems where he could have been like a number two, you know, a number two corner that's, you know, on your roster. You're not really, he's going to kind of play like an above average corner that can merely just hold his own because you're going to just run so many zone looks. And that was the thing we talked about the man to man looks and lock down Revis Island. His body positioning was excellent. Like he, he just knew how position his body and get his hands on the ball.

And I think that's just why he would have been would it age better if he just came into the league even a little bit later. Like you say, it's just such a demanding ask to just play that way. So kind of, oh, you know, actually modern comparisons. Stefan Gilmore is last year with Minnesota gets in a Brian Forres defense that's a little bit more zone heavy with all the funky looks. I think Revis would have kind of aged that way as well. The crazy thing with Revis, though, is like they,

The rest of the Jets would be in zone, but Revis would just be in man. Like Rex talked about that. It's just like, okay, the rest of the team is doing one thing. And I've got Revis, you know, as you mentioned, doing something else. Let's look at Drell Revis, and he might be going up against someone else that's on this list. This is Revis down here on 81 Randy Moss. Brady, going to go deep for Moss. Revis is there and picked it off.

And is brought down by Moll. Moss back at the 16-yard line. That's like a perfect example what I was talking about. They've ran a blitz, Jim Leonard, of course. The Rex Ryan's favorite player ever, who's with the Broncos right now, gets home. Tom Brady has to throw a go ball to Moss, which usually is like guaranteed touchdown. One-on-one, there's the blitz, Jim Leonard free, one-on-one, it should be what you want, and it turns to do a pick.

I mean, that should be a touchdown. Like, that's, that's the, those are math changers. That's why, like, Dorel Rivas is Dorel Rivas. It was like a perfect example. It was such a good matchup for those years because famously, you know, Moss's first game with the Patriots. He goes deep on Revis, who was coming off an injury at the time. And like, that's an all-time touchdown for him.

And then that's an all-time interception for Durel Revis. One of the best to do it. Let's take a quick break. And we may just have spoiled who's on the other side. Hey, this is Matt Jones. And I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

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Back on NFL Daily's best 25 players in the last 25 years. I'm getting the tingles. It's all been a preamble to the real reason we had Nate Tice on this show. Number nine, Randy Moss. Ferrat airs it out. Guess who? Moss. Another catch, another touchdown.

There are two guys covering Randy Moss, and neither guy can get in a position, and that's just embarrassing. What's that football world? 84 here. Brady goes for the big ball to Moss. He reels it in with one hand right over. I'm going to be scared of me. I ain't going to bite you. I'm just going to hurt you.

And Smith finds Moss for the first down of Moore. There goes Randy Moss down the sideline. Randy Moss on Monday night. What else is new? Cole Pepper, looking for Randy Moss. Touchdown. Unbelievable. With one hand. Unbelievable. Randy Moss. Moss flight wide to the right for long count. Now Brady takes. Brady looks. Brady throws. Touchdown. Touchdown. Randy Moss. right open at the near side of the end zone.

Finishing there with a go-ahead touchdown with under three minutes to go. And what I would say was the greatest drive of Tom Brady's career. And yet it never gets remembered because something called the helmet catch happened a few minutes later in a game where they had no answers. It made so much sense in that 2007 season that it was Randy Moss that puts them over the top. Man, that whole clip just brings back all the memories like Torrico on Monday night football. That was fun. Gus Johnson is in the mix.

Randy Moss over Dorel Revis. And then obviously his days with the Vikings. Nate, well, you were a ball boy back in the day. What was going on? What was your experience with the Randy Moss era? It warped my perception on NFL athletes and athletes in general for my entire life. Oh, yeah, this is normal.

You know, this is just what you see every. day and then realizing as I've gotten older that I might again might not see that ever again just like when we're talking about grok talking about unicorns talking about once in a lifetime athletes like that's Randy Moss to me like he I mean he solved six four could legitimately run a four three you know people say below that but legitimately a four three the greatest hands ever the greatest ball skills ever also another guy that's a football genius believe it or not like really is as far as just body positioning and understand the coverage is like really

really advanced level and just just the package of all of it and also just again age is actually okay for a minute with the 49ers where he almost had like a Vince Carter late career where it was kind of his athleticism wouldn't be okay you know for a minute but when you talk about that seven year

dominance you know it's almost like shack like you it's just one of the I actually when you told me the guys that we're going to talk about I thought we're going to be maybe a chunk higher oh this guy was included a put in Randy Moss because I just I don't think it's just he's just the once in a lifetime

type player to me I know I have some biases with that but I think anyone that watched him and see don't just watch a game one game in that kind of 02 to 05 era 04 era in Minnesota really 99 098 to 04 yeah but really when the Randy ratio kind of started

and just watch him kind of take over 2003 watch him against the Packers in 2003 and you'll just watch a drive before. It's like that first clip you guys had, and that was 2003 as well, is Gus Farrot threw him the ball against the 49ers. And even on that play, we talk about certain players change the league as far as scheme and everything. Lawrence Taylor is the famous example. Randy Moss is the same. Like the proliferation of cover two also helped that the NFL FC Central featured the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But cover two became more, it happened more league wide because teams go, well, that's how we have to stop Randy Moss. Otherwise, it's singled up automatically. touchdown. But you watch that first play. It's Gus Farrat, backup quarterback. Launching a ball against cover two, which should be impossible. He should be double covered with two guys with

him with a safety that should be all over to top of him. And he's passed him. So, talk about math changers, just guys that break the space time continuum of football. That was Randy Moss. And I stand by. It's the greatest athlete I'll probably ever see in my life.

I love it. I'm glad you're pushing back that he should be even higher. I think I sent you a text at one point when I was like, would I be crazy to have Megatron over Randy Moss? Because, and you were like, I got short with you. Yeah. You were just bad. I had Moss even lower. I had him 12 for, okay, I will defend myself, at least in terms of why he's not even higher. And at this point, they're all just so good that you're just, you're not including 98. You're splitting here. Yeah, you don't count 98. The best. That's fair. Rookie season of all time by, I think for the

era in terms of, you know, the fact that he was, because Pukunakua's numbers are crazy. but for the era to get MVP votes. He was third in the MVP that year, Randy Moss. He led the league in touchdowns as a rookie wide receiver. It was just stuff that you'd never seen before. So that doesn't count. And then he has the pop-up seasons, Nate.

He has the four first team all pros, but I'm only counting three. But in terms of the breadth of as, you know, the entire career, it was like a little less in the other guys at other positions, not even at wide receiver, because ultimately Randy Moss is my highest receiver on this list. I thought their incredible excellence at the very top,

plus they added like a sprinkling of a little, a few more extra years. But I'm just splitting hairs. You're making me talk negatively about Randy Moss. This is preposterous. He's in the top 10. We're in the top 10. I know.

It's so tough with all this. And I get it. Again, when I, I know what I saw. It's one of those. Just the highlight real moment. Not even, man,

now you're just making me ego down. memory lane. I mean, just the lateral play against the Broncos, you know, to Mo Williams. I, again, just the football genius to him, the sports genius. There's a play this would have been 04 against the Saints. And I want to say it was

Sunday night. It was Sunday or Monday night. And he, Dante Colpeper throws it 60 yards into the back corner of the end zone. And again, it was Randy Moss beating cover two on on a third and like 15. And just talk about math breakers. It was Dante

throwing as far as he could, Randy running by everybody and catches in the very, very corner of the end zone. It's one of my favorite throws and catches ever. But he made that on the regular like he did those like on a week to week basis where it was just truly highlights. I mean, I mean anyone that own them in fantasy even the odds, it would

be like he would have games where even if he got taken out of the game, right? They would find a way for him to score in the red zone or something because he was another fade guy that was dominant on fades where he would have games where it'd be like four catches, 22 yards, two touchdowns. You know, like, he would have, like, random games like that.

Like, look it up. Oh, three, week one, Cowboys. He had a game like that. I love that you're pulling all of these just totally out of thin air. Exactly. No, but it's, it's, it's really just one of those players. Again, I don't think we'll see that combination of traits. We might see big and fast guys that can run some routes.

We might see guys that can catch everything and be fast, but maybe at 510. It's just that combination of size, speed, ball skills, all rare. and one of my you know if you want a neutral party I said this in the draft process because we're talking about Travis Hunter because I said Travis Hunter's ball skills or like a mini Randy Moss

is that Bobby Bowden said that you know that Dion Sanders was his parameter for athleticism and he said Randy Moss is a bigger Dion Sanders and that I mean come on

that's really what we're talking about here but yeah one of my probably my favorite player ever probably will never be top and I got to see a lot of cool things watching him in practice and games up close and personal. There's so much about that I could dig into.

Well, first I do want to point out because I was talking about like how he didn't stack you know, as many dominant seasons. Let's not get it like carried away. He's fourth all time in receiving yards and he's second in touchdowns. Like he has the cumulative counting sets.

He's second in a hundred yard receiving games. He's third in like thousand yard season. So he and Karen stinks because he's second in the, he has all of those numbers too so I love what you said about how he changed the game and that i think is important if we're going to put a player this high when he got to new england bill belichick tells that story and they're going through how things are going to go and you know different and randy is just like well yeah but you're not going to you're not going to uh face any

single high anymore like that's gone like they could watch film like everyone got played them definitely right he's like don't worry about how we're going to handle those defense And Belichick often said how Randy Moss taught him more than almost any other player he's ever coached. He said, certainly the smartest receiver he's ever coached and one of the smartest players overall and that they kept adding different kind of two-way goes into an option routes into how he ran because he could handle that. And a lot of the time, a lot of his touchdowns you saw were like he's coming inside and then he breaks back out to the corner and that was all like intelligence in him and Tom Brady

to geniuses being on the same page. And if we want to get into just like numbers again, they combine for the greatest season ever between a quarterback and a wide receiver. Let's let's check out a clip. Third down and 10 for the Patriots at their own 35. Direct snap to Brady stands in the pocket, fires it to the right down the right side line and caught at the 2015 10.5. Touchdown Patriots, Tom Brady, to Randy Moss. And they each have set NFL records on the go-ahead touchdown. 65-yard bomb. Brady to Moss for Tom Brady.

Touchdown pass number 50, an NFL record. For Randy Moss, touchdown reception number 23, an NFL record. One play, bang, bang, they both set NFL records. It is really crazy to think about that because, Ty Warren or who was it who grabbed Eli Manning's jersey and couldn't get them to the ground on that play. Like if they're able

to do that, if the Patriots defense comes up big with that lead against the Giants, then Randy Moss breaks the all-time record in receiving touchdowns on a game-winning, like huge long touchdown to go 17

and 0 to end the regular season. And they were losing that game. It was like week 17. And it was It was in the fourth quarter, and he breaks that record. It was a big special NFL network showing. It was a big spot for NFL Network and Brian Gumble, I believe, at the time. And so that's what he does in the regular season. And then he finishes that season out by winning the Super Bowl,

by catching the game-winning touchdown with under three minutes left. And it's crazy how much differently we would remember just that season, as magical and as memorable as it is, if their defense just finishes out that play. But there were so many moments like that. And you brought up a bunch of them already. I love it. I mean, it's not a coincidence.

He was on the two teams that set the point record, you know, scoring record. It's fair. 98 Vikings and then, yeah, 07 Patriots. He was a big reason because of that for that. It's no, I, all the memories. And again, that cover two stories, the one I always come back to. And like that, that Belichick, I was so cool for me to hear the Belichick version of that and the Patriots version of that. Because that's what I would hear, Scott Linney.

hand and my dad talking about in Minnesota was that like they couldn't like they couldn't use film from previous weeks because nobody was playing cover two every snap um and if you look again the gravity of this there's a couple of receivers that get this now Justin Jefferson which is fun and you know another Viking gets this treatment as well um but if you look too as those Vikings teams had awesome run games is because and that is something again changing the math so it's just not only his stats it's how he made everyone else's lives easier. If you're drawing double coverage, that means everyone else gets singled up. Germain Wiggins

had his career year with Randy Moss in Minnesota. Yeah, former Patriot as well. Yes. Was there some Mowaldi Moore, Randy Moss? They were kind of like the two twin towers though. They were really setting each other up, I feel like. And then Nate Burleson in there. Yeah, no, but no, you know, yeah, Moly Moore.

No, but that was actually a big because that would, they would get, sorry, I'm just, you're just making me rant now. But it's, uh, they would get all the cover too. And the running back would be I sewed up on like some big linebacker with a neck roll. So they had all these receiving running backs that were able to just win, Ontario Smith was the other guy

that would just win these one-on-ones. It would just be cheating, you know, just a little one-on-one matchups because Randy Moss was taking so much coverage, yeah. But let's look at one more fun highlight from the Vikings era, which is remembered for a variety of reasons. A moose,

Randy Moss is hit for a touchdown. Oh, Al Harris playing off. bit up on the route and Randy Moss without even really being able to run as he shoots the moon to the fans here in Green Bay. That is a disgusting act by Randy

Moss and it's unfortunate that we had that on our air live that is disgusting by Randy Moss. Let's get back to the play Randy. Great job by the way by Chris and Troy what a booth by the way. Joe Buck Chris Collinsworth and Troy

Akeman. Dundsworth just rips out, shoot the moon in the middle of a sentence, very naturally. Buck cuts them off. And then Troy's just, you could tell the disstated Troy's voice. It's kind of like, calm down, buddy. And it was like, all right, let's get back to the play. Uh, what a bone. Troy's right.

Troy's right. That wasn't called in the huddle. It was a, it was a run play. And once again, the Packers had brand man coverage. And they, and it was just a signal from pepper, cold pepper to, to Randy. And if you even watch on it, they're not past. blocking. Everyone's run blocking. And so he just skirts out to the right and just throws it. But yeah, again, math changer. And that was on the high ankle spray as well. Yeah. So shooting them. And then that's also, God, you just made me just rattle off. This is like nostalgia for me. So you also notice the afro. That was Kelly Campbell, Nate Burleson, Randy, a couple of other guys with Jermaine Wiggins. And the afros stood for America's finest receivers on Sunday. Or Saturday. Because there's a game to play on Saturday. just a little a little a little aughts by i love that i can just what was it like for a little uh

nate tice there yes for listeners that aren't aware uh your father might coached the team from 2001 to 2005 a lot of lot of offense in that time carnival teams uh yeah a lot of points and again that's why i thought was normal i thought playing in a dome was normal uh i grew up in the kingdom in the metro dome so those were the yeah i thought that was the high i thought you multi-use stadiums was normal as well but yeah no but it was it was awesome got to see a lot of cool players a lot of cool offenses a very fun division too and a very fun period of the NFL we've talked about this off air but it was a it was just a when I went to 32 teams it was right when my dad became a full-time

head coach in 2002 and that felt like a transitioning of errors you know and then probably another real transition after that but like right at that point in time it was defenses were changing offenses were changing getting a little bit more wide open again there you know it wasn't just as run heavy. So I thought it was a very cool time period. It was very fond, though. But those Minnesota teams were a little wild. A little wild. You know, like, you know, lax character rules was the money ball. The love boat was involved. And that play, that play that play we just saw actually inspired. I had forgotten this, that that was the play that inspired the famous quote from Randy Moss when they asked him in the parking lot,

how he was going to pay for the fine. Straight cash, homie. Let's go to our next player. Number eight, Ray Lewis. Good potential. Intercepted by Ray Lewis. And Lewis is on his way. He's going to go for a touchdown.

Oh, my. You know, he is the best tackler in the league. As far as I'm concerned, when he gets his hand. on you, you can forget it, you are going down. When I step on the field, the reason I'm on the field is to prove to the people that I'm the best. You know, when you talk about a middle lineback, when I step on the field,

I want to make sure when I walk off it, you know you just see me. Here's Lewis playing on special teams. Oh, I'll tell you, that's worse and a poem. That's one that loosens your teeth. This is your entertainment. God put me here, give y'all entertainment. Ray Lewis, the highest off-ball linebacker on this list. We had Luke Kikley there at 14, but ultimately Ray gets the top spot,

all-time tackler, seven first team all-pros, which is just outrageous. He kind of had that peak early in his career. And then he tacked on this period from 0,8, 09, like 10, where he suddenly was popping off again. Two defensive player of the year votes, very few players in NFL history have ever gotten that. Two more seasons, by the way, where he got some MVP. votes, three more where he got defensive player of the year vote. So for a long time, Ray Lewis was looked at, like not just at

the best at his position, but as just one of the best players in the NFL. What stands out to you first when you think about Ray Lewis? Kind of like the first modern linebacker as far as coverage, blitzing, run ability was big

enough to stop the run as well. It can run sideline but also has the intelligence. and just understanding, you know, defensive calls as well, kind of that total package. I feel like before that, because of what the NFL was, it was so run heavy. You know, some run and shoot stuff was coming around. But most linebackers had the neck roll. There were big thumpers that had to take on fullbacks.

Ray Lewis felt like a linebacker that was meant to cover single back offenses. And maybe there's others in this era, but he was like, okay, this is the prototype that everyone else is chasing. And then again, another guy that it's where is it the scheme? it's where the scheme and the player unlock each other where he is helping the scheme out because he can do so much he can cover that that's the thing to stands out me I just keep coming back to is that he could cover like Derek Brooks would be another linebacker like this at this time that was like okay this is a coverage linebacker that can but also do other things but Rayloos was thick enough to you know stop a guy right at the line of scrimmage as well and live in the box as well

and wasn't just a big stiff. So that's where we're talking about these needle movers, game changers, math, math changers, whatever you want to say. And Ray Lewis felt like the new prototype for the 2000s when he was kind of becoming hitting his prime. And even though he hit it maybe a year or two before the odds, but really just once he was into the 2000s, it's like he was the dude at that position. I love you starting with that point because, you know, when I went back to kind of read

about Lewis's career as part of doing this and talk about. his career, more than one player kind of pointed that out exactly, Nate, that he almost straddled two eras. So if you think about the peak of Ray Lewis's career, and he might not be in the top 10 or might not even be on this list. If it hadn't worked out that that year where he wins defensive player of the year and wins the Super Bowl MVP, which is just something that's like an all-time year that happened to be 2000. So he just made the cutoff. But if you think about how great he was then

in the beginning part of this career, who is he shutting down? He's shutting down Jerome Bettis and Eddie George and Fred Taylor, like those matchups against Eddie George were epic. And that was what made him great. And then when you start to think about the back half of his career, it really was the versatility and the coverage.

So many of his best plays when you're looking at his highlights are just fooling quarterbacks. making quarterbacks look stupid and I think that that gets lost when you talk about Ray Lewis. Mike Nolan was one of his coaches, Nate, and he mentioned that he was Lawrence Taylor's coach and this is a hot take,

but Mike Nolan said he thinks Ray Lewis is the best defensive player ever because the difference is there was no escaping him. You could not run away from him. You could have Lawrence Taylor on the edge or other great edge defenders ever, but there was no, play where you could escape

kind of the matrix of Ray Lewis, whether it was run left, run center, run right, pass left, past center, past right. Obviously, you can throw it over the top of his head, but it's true in a way that he impacted the game on a down-to-down basis like few other defensive players. When the

kind of West Coast offense went from you know, it went from just Bill Walsh or Bill Walsh was the proliferator of it to like more commonplace in the 90s, really the the crux of the passing game of the west coast offense is get these big linebackers on an island against our fast running backs right and make them cover over and over and over and oh wow all of a sudden we all these receiving backs making all these catches it's great um that's where ray louis kind of like stop that like where it's just like that doesn't become just a clear advantage if you all the common theme i think just getting through all these guys and this one we're talking about these needle movers is these are the guys that create matchups, they create wins no matter who they go against, which is the sign of a great player.

Even when you're scouting a guy, it usually is, what can they do consistently? Who can they beat consistently? Not every time, just consistently. And Ray Lewis or these elite guys that we're talking about, it's like, well, it doesn't matter the matchup, they're winning consistently. And that's the sign of a great player. And I was just even, as you were saying, his first year or the first year of this millennium, 2000, you know, Ray

Lewis was listed like $2.35 I think he came into the league at. Right. The other all pro linebackers are like Jeremiah Trotter. Jeremiah Trotter is listed at 262. Okay. So just talking about the other guys of this era, Sam Coward for the bills, listed at

248. Stephen Boyd of the Lions listed at 247, 6 foot, 247. So all these like just hammerheads, big guys, big bodies. Ray Lewis was athletic. But, like, your point was perfect. He bridged the two eras that was this time period.

That was the late 90s into the 2000s, which was bridging eye formation, early West Coast stuff, now getting into a little bit more spread, more single back stuff throughout the league, more two tight ends, more three receivers. But it's a linebacker that can stay on the field all three downs. It was so commonplace at this time period to have the true, true. Because remember, too, defenses were signaling to go true. this is our base down defense and this is our late down defense our nickel defense no nickel wasn't as common as it was now but back then it was linebackers would just fully get swapped off where it was like okay this is like and now that becomes such a tell that offenses are like oh we'll pick on that we know which looks you're getting to but ray lewis felt like one of these linebackers where it was like

i can be on the look i could be on the field no matter what like mike nolan's alluding to like he can just impact the game in all those ways so yeah it's just all these it's so much fun to talk about all these guys because I feel like I'm, I'm repeating myself a little bit, but that's what these guys were. Well, yeah, at this part of the list especially, and they're the best at their very positions, they help change the position. And you think about

him, too, he's the only player, and it's a weird stat for him, because I mentioned how he's like the all-time lean tackler and everything. He's the only player in NFL history with 40 sacks and 30 interceptions. You don't necessarily think of him like first as a blitzer or in coverage, although I think you should in coverage, but to

combine those sort of big plays at multiple levels. And yeah, he got drafted in 96, so it's tricky. Like him and Ogden, Ogden, in the end, didn't make this list because his best part of his career was early. And Ray Lewis did make two second team all pros, even got some defensive player of the year votes before 2000 and a first team all pro. But even after 2000, it's another five or six first teams and another second team.

And he's just racking up plays. And to me, he kind of defines that position. It's a position where it's a tough spot to make, for instance, the NFL 100 all-time team. And he was an obvious guy to be on it. Let's listen to Bill Belichick actually as part of that NFL 100 broadcast. You could play to run. You could play the pass. You could blitz.

You had great instincts, could handle the defense. You knew your team well. You knew what they could do. And you certainly knew the opponents well and you knew how to defend what they tried to do, so it's obvious that your preparation paid off. Let me deal

with the pump and go. That's why I'm sitting so high on that. But he's got to play that. Remember we're playing Brady. It's a chess match. What? What? What? What? Yeah. What? I hate it playing against you. I hate a plan against you. That was Ray Lewis and

Tom Brady in that second the last clip they're going, what, what, back and forth to each other. And Belichick, who loves to, you know, include himself in the history because he should points out to Ray Lewis in that conversation. And they're looking at each other's in the eyes. I mean, it is intense as he's telling him what a great player is. He points out that actually Belichick made the trade for the extra first the year before. He got fired in Cleveland.

So they had that extra first sitting there because of Bill Belichick. He was not around to see them. take Ray Lewis, and that is an amazing, just crossing of paths. It would have been cool to see Belichick, Coach Ray Lewis. But the other side of that is because of Bill Belichick, they're in position to take Jonathan Ogden. Right. Right. I will speak for Belichick here. And because of Art Modell, they were in position. As Belichick likes to point out, it's not great for your season when you announced the team is moving halfway, halfway through the year. And you got, you got fans ripping up seats. It's not great. Mike Singletary had a quote when I was looking up too. And he, he coached Ray Lewis.

I don't know if you remember that. He was a position coach back then. And I love it when all-time grades give up the flowers to other similar ones. And he, and Singletary says, yeah, I see the comparison. Like, he always got compared to Singletary. But he's like, Ray is better. And he said, he thought Ray is better physically and mentally. And Shannon Sharp had a quote. And I think this has to be said when talking about Ray Lewis. He thought he's the greatest leader in the history of team sports. Rod Woodson said, who had been around and been on a lot of different teams too, said,

like, I've never been a teammate with someone that was such a giant force of personality that he truly dragged all of us with him. And when he's talking about us, he's talking about like Hall of Fame guys like himself. that he's never been around someone that was able to, like, just collectively bring up the energy of every single person around him. And I think that is part of the reason why I put him here. That sort of consistency over a career like that, give him a little extra, bump him up a few spots. Yeah. I don't want to have a moss over him, but the, yeah. Yeah, I know you would. This is what I'm going to do now, Nate. Every single rest of the guy on the list, I'm going to be like,

should I put Randy Moss over him? Like maybe. Maybe I agree with you, but either way. I got to see who comes in higher. And then I'll probably be like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. There's a lot of quarterbacks. We have a lot of quarterbacks. Yeah, and I totally get that.

No, and Ray Lewis, too, I know we're talking about pros in 2000s. It's like he's the you. Like, he epitomizes Miami as well, just that competitive nature as well. But yeah, I'm glad he brought that up, the leadership stuff as well. that like that has to be said and again epitomizes what that raven's defense which i is always going to be in my brain as like what i thought was the more most fearful scariest defenses those two thousand's raven's defenses those are the ones in my brain as they are the bar oh two thousand ravens is the best defense of those are the best of my lifetime

the most dominant you they snuffed out everybody it was just it was it was ridiculous it was a different era in a way and they helped i think i think some of the rule changes were partly because of like how good the Ravens and the Bucks following them up were. But yeah, that they are the absolute best. And so I love having Ray Lewis as a representative for them. Nate, you did it. I hope,

you know, your daughter has not woken up from her nap yet. And I appreciate you taking the time to take a trip down memory lane. Thank you, this was fun. Thank you for letting me rant. I felt like a comedian getting the red light. during the Randy Moss segment.

No, not at all. I could keep going. What I found with this is like I could do a whole episode. I could do a whole episode on Randy Moss or any of these guys. It's unbelievable. He's Paul Bunyan. It's kind of how it goes. But thank you for having me.

Yes. Our next episode will be the fifth edition of NFL Daily's 25 players in 25 years. And we will be joined by the legendary play-by-play announcer, Kevin Harlan. help us cover players seven through four, and hopefully somewhere, Nate Tice will be listening and being angry that Randy Moss wasn't ranked over them. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters.

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