NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 32 Nuggets From OTAs

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon get you caught up on everything they've learned from OTAs around the NFL including, Aaron Donald's future with the Rams, Drake London, Nick Herbig and Derick Hall getting new contracts, Russell Wilson's new job, Nolan Teasley being named Vikings General Manage, Micah Parsons' health, and much more! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to NFL Daily. We're keeping an eye on Aaron Donald. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with Patrick Claibon. The big trades went down this week. They did. It distracted our attention so much, Patrick, that I've been collecting.

Just a million different nuggets of things happening around the NFL as 32 teams. Every team is practicing right now. And we're going to get the people updated on everything that's happening elsewhere. At its core, the show is about giving people news. It's true. I know a few prominent people in the media who listen to this show so that they can be updated on the news for their shows. They know who they are. And I take that as a compliment.

But that's how serious we take it. That's our responsibility. And yet we are going to start with the Rams quickly. but we're going to get to a lot of things. Are you ready to just like fire through like 40 items of 40 nuggets that's going to make people smart? And it's like a value deal. Yes.

But it will start with the Aeron Donald Rams situation, which seems to be coming more serious as the Rams talk more. Less Need was on a lot of media on Wednesday morning. Was very open to the possibility and making it sound like it could happen. Sean McVeigh was at the podium. with Miles Garrett Tuesday afternoon after Jordan and I spoke. And he talked about AD possibly returning as well. Listen, if he's interested, you know, there is no, here's what I would say.

You talk to Aaron and you see what he's saying about that. But here's what I would tell you guys overall, too, is, you know, Aaron's a guy that I stay really close in touch with. And I know the respect that he has for Miles, talk to him about the opportunity to be able to bring him on board. If Aaron decides he wants to dust them off at the age of 35, I bet you he could still do it at a pretty high clip. This has gone from like a funny joke on social to the way that the Rams are talking about and the way that Aaron Donald, by the way is talking about. I actually

am starting to think this might happen. Yeah, I think it's fun. It's fun to talk about. Clearly, they have a great relationship. They've accomplished a lot in Aaron Donald is one of the best players to ever put on a football uniform. I would, I'm leaning towards not believing it, but I am a, you know, news curmudgeon that leads towards not believing a whole bunch of things. Here's a quote that Aaron Donald gave Jordan Schultz. I'm for sure flirting with the idea. Hell of an opportunity with the

Super Bowl and SOFi this year. If I can find the fire, it's a possibility. Think of it happened. It would maybe be why not come back halfway through the season. But man, that would be cool. Alternate headline? Yeah. Errol Donald has not found fire. Fair. Right?

But he's flirting with the opportunity. Like the Rams might be flurting. with the Super Bowl this year. I just thought this back and forth between a reporter, Miles Garrett and Sean McVeigh, was funny, but also maybe instructive of how things are going to be

positioned this year when it comes to the Rams. Going from a work in progress with this Cleveland team, it's been a work in progress for a while to coming to this team that is the favorite to win the Super Bowl, and anything less than that would be a major disappointment. I mean, every team's a work in progress.

Damn, that's how you feel, huh? I want to know who asked that question. That did feel a little bit not to besmirch the local news anchors or whatever. Kind of like, hey, we only show up to the Rams facility a handful of days a year, but we're going to ask like a fiery question. And again, I don't want to be presumptuous. That sounded like a columnist question more than somebody that's making a daily grind, picking up a DVC pro and bringing it to,

the facility every single day. It's it is presumptuous. It's a long football season. Yes. I would say the Rams are a very good football team who just got the defensive player at the year. And you can feel great about that. But to say, you know, Super Bowl or Buzz,

like obviously they would like to win the season. He said it would be a major disappointment if they did not win the Super Bowl. Yes, that's preponder. That's tough. That's columnist speak. It's detached from reality. Maybe you take the word major. Like from our perspective, sure, but I think

Sean McVeigh might agree. Like I think they're going to be majorly disappointed if they can't get it done. Sometimes teams, teams play on their heads. They call the wrong defense like the Seattle Seahawks did and Nickyman Worry makes a great play, right? I think a major disappointment would be the Rams not playing up to their standards

and then they play poorly and that's a disappointment. The NFL season rarely has a real deal like favorite. I think sports in general, it's always more interesting when you have a great team entering a season. Usually they're the defending champs, not in this case. Like the thunder were

to start this NBA season. They're not in the finals, but I think it makes the season more interesting to have kind of that high level chiefs or Patriots team that everyone's shooting for. It just happens to be the Rams this year. And you know, there's that frustration and that tiredness that the thunder kind of

fell victim to. You know, not to make it a full basketball thing, but on the road, the Spurs had to go, what, 10 to 14 in the fourth quarter to knock off the champs. And so it's now viewed, right? A lot of people are saying, oh, it's a complete and total disappointment. And have their second best

player get her and another key player. I get it. Yeah, when the championships is hard. That's my also number. Okay. So, that's enough of the Rams this week. Let's go through some of the big contracts that have been signed, including Drake London, getting $100 million guaranteed four years, $141,000,

extension. I've really loved watching his development. He is the ultimate better than his numbers player to me because of the quarterback situation that he's had over the last few years. And yet, his numbers are still awesome and a development story that I didn't expect to see coming coming out of college. I know he was taken very high, but I didn't know if he would become true top 10 wide receiver type of player. And that's where I put him. We're going to rank our wide receivers later this off season, but he's getting in that top. two picks ahead of Garrett Wilson, and we know what Garrett Wilson and the promise that he's shown,

and nobody's looking back and saying, oh, Terry, that was, that was a horrible pick. It was, you know, he's done excellent, especially considering what the quarterback circumstances have been during his time there, and he's been very good. And another opportunity to say, like, hey,

you can, you can take a guy, provide him this, with this contract, and it not necessarily be this long, drawn-out thing, get it done in June. Good work by the Atlanta Falcons who are repositioning themselves as kind of a step back year. He's still going to play the fifth year option out. So they've got him locked up for a long time. I've really been noting this with some of the recent contracts. They're getting longer again for a while they're getting

shorter, but they basically control Drake London. Longer contracts for younger players. Yes. He's 24 years old. And average salary, if you just do the extension, he's only behind JSN and Jamar Chase, but in a couple of years that that contract's going to age well. I think the Nick Herbig contract is also that's the one you want to talk about Greg well they got a deal and I do think it's fascinating that they gave a guy in Nick Herbig that

got a four year extension from the Steelers for a hundred million dollars only quote unquote 42 million dollars guaranteed so that might really be more like a two to three year deal for whatever reason it didn't go well I think it's going to age really well because it's also tacking on a year

on average he's really averaging closer to 20 million dollars a year which for his talent, I think is exceptional. But what it does for this year is make the highest paid trio of edge rushers we've ever seen in NFL history between him, Alex Highsmith and T.J. Watt. There's no reason to believe that they're trading any one of the three this season. It's almost like a win now at the edge position type of season for the Steelers. I can't imagine they're going to keep all three of them next year necessarily, because then it starts getting complicated. But That is quite a trio to have on one roster.

And perhaps, you know, if we wanted to don a conspiracy hat and you're having an underachieving team, you're going to make a change. That's the, at the head coaching spot, you have one of the more efficient pass rushers in the NFL who's due for a payday. Maybe you don't play them that much down the stretch.

Oh, stop. That's ridiculous. Because they, so yeah, the point I was going to say is they gave $100 million to a guy that they wouldn't give 30 snaps a game to down the stretch. Because if they gave them 30 snaps, Greg, then it's $130 million. Well, his agent could still be like, hey, you know how many people have ever gone back to back in winning the pass rush win rate championship?

Literally none in the history of the NFL. The stats only like eight years old or something. But Herbick went back to back the last two years. It's outrageous. I think they're going to trade Alex Highsmith after this year, if I had to guess. Yeah, like strength and size, it doesn't, efficiency doesn't scale linearly. we're not thinking we can't necessarily project to a 26 sack herbic season, but still. But for him it did early in the season when Watt and Highsmith kind of took turns being injured,

he was still just as effective. That was what was annoying. He didn't have all the sacks. He might not be that guy, but man, he bends the edge if you're thinking of, I'm trying to think of a similar type of player, you know, like a young T.J. Watt, really. I just don't think T.J. Watts is going to be very tradable. That contract where they guaranteed all his. money for three years, including next year, which is like, I got to check it, but it's around

$40 million. I don't think that's going to be that good of a contract. And I saw Mark Caboli, who covers them for the Pat McAfee show, saying, there's no particular path to more snaps for Herbig this year. So it's really more about the future and just trying to win now and making this team great. And then maybe they trade them in the future. And yeah, the cap number for T.J. Watt next year is $42 million. The salary is $32 million. Yeah, SpotRack has a potential out in 2028. Sure, 28. And he'll be 34 years old then.

And $21 million, perhaps a, you know, a return to Wisconsin situation for T.J. Watt for a couple years. I think they might trade Highsmith after this year because Watt will be untradable, but maybe improves. But I wanted to push back on the idea that there's no path to playing more snaps for Nick Herbick. You can do what the other 31 teams do and rotate your freaking pass rushers and not make T.J. what, play 70, 80 snaps a game. So that's the path. Yeah. I think they'll be better. Play your good players.

I think he will play more. And this is a coaching staff being like, why didn't he not play? Another Edge got a contract, an edge in Derek Hall for the Seahawks that can move inside, who got $21 million guaranteed. It's about, what, $14 million on the extension. On average, Seahawks were pretty quiet this offseason. but they have given a lot of money to their own guys, like Jackson Smith and Jigba,

we just mentioned, and now Derek Hall, part of like a bigger pass rush plan in Seattle. Yeah, and it's never, the Seahawks are never going to have, at least this rendition of the Seahawks isn't going to have that statistically dominant player

to rush the passer because they're going to do it as a unit. And you get those guys paid in this format where you haven't looked at the Seahawks and gone, oh, yeah, this is the repeat Seahawks roster, but that's what this construction is going to look like because we never felt like the other things

were splashes other than Donald which generated a lot of discussion because he's a quarterback. Derek calls, he's long. When I think of him, like he is just looking like one of those velociraptors. He's like 6-3 somewhat lean-ish, but extremely strong, just a power player.

And I think what the Seahawks have done in general, and other teams do is give a lot of money to these guys. They're not role players, but they're also not being asked, kind of like Boy A Mafie a year ago to do everything. Boy, Mafia is a certain type of player, a fireball around the edge who's going to create pressure. Hall is a different type of just strength-based player,

and you give them these mid-tier contracts. There's not enough of these mid-tier contracts, and instead of putting it all on one, they're kind of spreading their chips out with four, five, six, seven players It's a lot to deal with. Smart way to build a team. You know who was once on the Seattle Seahawks that is no longer playing football?

We think Russell Wilson. So part of this exercise today, Patrick, we're hitting as many new items as we can. And we never got to the news that hit, like, last weekend, that he is officially joining the CBS pregame crew replacing Matt Ryan. It's the pipeline. It's the pipeline.

Next stop, Falcons front office, and then you can be doing things like paying Drake London. Yeah, maybe we're looking at a EVP where he's reunited with John Schneider in Seattle or something. He's a part of the ownership group, you know, in the change over there. Good for Russ. And I wouldn't take out a return to football, as you mentioned, for Russell Wilson either. He could take some time deal with whatever lingering issues he has, physically and come back if you want. Very quickly, there were some reporting

that came out that said it's not necessarily a retirement. What I think it is is a realization that you didn't have any great offers, maybe a preference for this job versus the backup quarterback job with the Jets and just

like leaving the door open. Kind of as you mentioned, if something better comes along. Aaron Glenn was asked about it, by the way. And he was just like, good luck to that man. I think he'll be great on TV. But we've got our backup quarterback battle, and we're fine with it. Nolan Teasley is a name that most NFL fans, probably not familiar with until this week, maybe not until this very second. He is your new Minnesota Vikings general manager. They had an interview process that felt like

a reality show. It was like 20 deep. We had second interviews coming back. We had finalists. We had different reporting. And the big winner in the end is not. Nolan Teasley. Long-time Seattle Seahawks personnel guy. His father was a long-time scout, so he's a man that's, you know, born into the business. Of football. Yes. And he is now the one running the front office.

There was an interesting back and forth, which we listened to, Patrick, about the structure of how this is all going to work. long story short, Teasley in charge of the front office, in charge of the final 53-man roster. Kevin O'Connell, obviously the head coach, not reporting to each other. They each equally report up to the owner,

and then the former temporary assistant GM is now back in that role, Rob Brzynski, who was a finalist for the GM spot. He is now reporting up through Teasley. That is your org chart update for the Vikings. We've had a lot of org chart changes around here too, and it's very important. Yeah, and much like those org chart changes, the rank and file don't necessarily know what everything means. And shout out to Judd Zolgat, who tried to get the specifics with regards to that.

And he did. We wouldn't have had it otherwise. Yeah, we wouldn't have had that. But we generally, based on the titles themselves, have that idea. It's a general thing that Judd and every fan base would like to know. when it comes to that collaboration, as Mr. Wolf pointed out, what does that look like in terms of making the decision? Because we know we would love every office to be collaborative. We want to open up the kimono and have all sorts of swim lanes and everything looks great, right?

But we also want to know what those words mean. And I think generally in corporate America, as well as football, we don't know. Well, here was the key part of the reporting, and I saw this on the athletic. Alec Lewis does a good job. I believe it was from him. Go Spartans.

Kevin O'Connell was reportedly leaned on heavily during the process of the hiring. He was essentially in the room. It wasn't essentially in the room. He was in the room. The Wilf's have run this team from New Jersey, by all accounts, aren't necessarily always there.

the reporters that cover the team closely believe over the years that has led to, if you think about the history of the Vikings over the last 20 years, a lot of palace intrigue, a lot of infighting. You kind of had the bosses somewhere else. And so people are jockeying for power sometimes within the building because there's a bit of a power vacuum. And so I'd be a little concerned about that if you're a Vikings fan of what's going on. But my read on it was, look, if KOC was involved in the hierarchy, And you can say that it's Teasley's final 53.

KOC to me feels like he's in charge. He's closer to the Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh model right now than another one where the GM is either in charge or then it's equal. Yeah. If the person that's allegedly on your level is a key part of an extensive hiring process where there's multiple rounds of interviews, then they're not on your level. Okay. So I want to get to, we're getting to like 40 items here. And so this is a risk to have. to have a Rob Brzezinski take in the year 2026.

Never. In a national platform. But I've got a Rob Brzezinski take. I'm so excited. Brzezinski's been there. How long did he say 34 years or something? Yeah, 31 years. In a lot of roles.

But ultimately, kind of in a supportive second or third in the front office pecking order, role. Does a lot of contracts. Briefly took over in Minnesota. was going for the GM job, didn't get it, now sliding back into the number two job. And my take is that in a world of Chad Brinkers, be a Rob Brzezinski.

Chad Brinker was the guy who had all this palace intrigue, and there was a coup, and he got control of the Titans for like one year. But at what cost? Right. But they changed their, who's in charge every year. I could even say Mike Borganzi. He might not be long for that job.

The guy who's fighting to try to examine, get the job. Sometimes you're not in, you know, someone else is going to fight to take that job from you. Rob Brzezinski's been number two or three, making a good living, raising his family, presumably, in a great area, a lot of security, in a world of brinkers, or even in a world of like Joe Shains or Brandon Beansky. Yeah. Everybody still knows Rob Brzecki, one, because it's been such a long time.

In fact, I shortened him two years. I forgot about the two years where he was the director of football. administration. So it's 33 seasons. 33 seasons. 33 years of Rob Brzezinski. Better to be number two or three. You don't have all the heat on you. Everyone says he's a nice guy by all accounts. That's probably why he's there 33 years. I'm kind of having fun with this. But I have been asked this by younger people in the industry. It's a crazy industry. A lot of turnover. Patrick. People ask like, you know, what do you ask for tips? I don't know how to get get ahead. But I would say one thing I've noticed here is like the nicest people, and I would

include that on the in front of the camera side as well, are the ones that often last like the longest. Like, because they're just people like to work with them. So then they just stick around. So just be nice. That's a good. Yeah. It's a good trick. Yeah. The big stars. It's not a trick. It's just the way to be. In our universe, you know, burn a lot of fuel and they burn brightly and they burn out quickly. But if you can. Yeah. But if you can manage your energy, manage people, you can stick around. Not to say that, you know,

because there's a lot of, there's a lot of attrition here. Right. There's a lot of great people. It's not, it's not, resource distribution. It's not full proof.

And obviously, some of the biggest stars are some of the nicest people. But I have noted, I think when push comes to the show, like, who do you like to work with? That helps in the long run.

Shout out to Rob. Let's take a break. It is a hilarious place to take a break. Brzezinski heat. We have a lot of news. coming up. It wasn't even a hot take.

No, it wasn't a nice dude like Rob Brzezinski. Be nice. We have a lot of trade stuff coming up. We have a lot of great sound. I can't wait to give it to the people. Nuggets! Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart.

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He also even slacked me to let me know. that this news came across the pipe. Michael Parsons saying he still has four months to go in terms of his recovery, in part because he also had a cleanup procedure on his meniscus on his knee in the middle of this rehab on the torn ACL in that he is prioritizing longevity of his career.

Please do. And he is targeting mid-October he was throwing out as a date to possibly return. So disappointing, obviously, that he had to go through that and have a second surgery, and it gives us a little clarity of when they could expect to have him back. And probably, honestly, a more realistic timeline. Hopefully, you know, he doesn't have any examinations in eight weeks from the Baltimore Ravens staff after getting his meniscus cleaned up. But he is, I think the ACL recovered.

My question, like immediate questions on, you know, is this like a slight thing that they know, noticed as a part of recovery where he's doing the recovery from the other surgery anyways. They've got the time and the availability. They might as well do it now. Because instantly my reaction is, well, they were in there to do his cruise ship. So, like, was this something they didn't see before? But either way. Time is good for micropartis. Yeah. And he did clarify it. Yeah, it was to clean up his meniscus. My guess would be is if you're having a follow-up procedure,

that's not something you wanted. I wouldn't imagine that it came as a total surprise, but maybe they thought they could get away without doing that. But yeah, that's disappointing. And I think it really spells out with Parsons and how I've thought about him and players like him coming off an injury that serious in general is like if you're thinking about the Packers

and them trying to win a Super Bowl, I'm thinking about his best impact is very likely to be if it happens late in this season. that you cannot be expecting like Micah Parsons to be full Michael Parsons or even on the field at all early in the season. And now it might not be the first half of the season. Yeah, if the strike zone was going to be September, October anyway, right? And you've noticed something that you can do that you feel is going to stabilize the joint

in October, November, December, January, February. Yeah. Then you do it now. I think it would be more concerning if they're like, well, you know, that's a little floppy on the interior side of your knee, but like whatever, you're going to strengthen and stabilize the joint or you take the time that's available

to strengthen and stabilize the joint and you do as much of that as possible. Then you play professional football. Can we get, can we get Genevian Clowny in there? Somebody. That's a, it's a bad edge group. It's on paper,

it's one of the, I think it's one of the worst pass rushes on paper in the NFL. So Joey Bose is out there a little more on. him lately. Later, he might be retiring. He could help. Cam Jordan's out there. Clowny's out there.

I'm not saying these teams are going to, these guys are going to change your entire season, but they are better than some of the guys that you're going to be giving a lot of snaps to. On a new defense with a new defensive coordinator. It's a little worrisome about the Packers in general. All right, let's get into some more trade talk. Adam Schaefter reports that

Kayshan Booty is interested in being traded. That's not exactly surprising or totally new, but Schaefter throwing it out there this week specifically, I think just signifies to the rest of the league, hey, if you're interested in Kayshan Booty and during the last year

of his contract, he might be available, or at least he wants to be available. I'd like to know the dividing line between being interested in it and formally, because that's a thing that we've had in the past few years when you formally request a trade where I imagine like papyrus and a quill. So I'm wondering

like in... Or if you're Miles Garrett and you he actually demanded a trade. That's the word that they used. Demanded. I think Kayshan Bouti has to be realistic about where he's come from in his career

and really proud of where he's come from and loves playing ball and understands that there might be a situation where it just doesn't happen and he's going to be playing football for the Patriots if that happens.

But he would like to have a place where maybe get some more snaps. You know where I'd like to see him? Where's that? Las Vegas. Would we get? I could see a circumstance where you were very good

at wide receiver and your team went to the Super Bowl and then proceeded to do nothing but acquire wide receivers. Yeah. You may be interested in a trade. Yeah. Elliot Wolf, by the way, talking about the AJ Brown trade. He just had a quote that was hilarious to me

that admitted because, hey, they went into this offseason. We talked about this a little bit on Tuesday. Hey, we're not going to do anything that's kind of like burning the future for the present. And then they spent a ton of money and they went after really good players. I think they had a good offseason. but they admit it Wolf said that their strategy so far

has not necessarily been sustainable it's a hilarious quote It's true Like in terms of what you can do every single year Will they be able to do this every single year? No I've just never heard a GM say that his strategy is not necessarily sustainable

Well you know how much of that is his strategy Maybe it's a little sneak Fair A little sneak crit Or somebody who can't really No respond to a lot of crit I think in a world of Chad Brinkers Elliot Wolf is a Rob Brzeinski

and knows how to get along. He's happy serving who's in charge there. 32 most adjacent Rob Brzezinski front office member. We are doing the GM rankings on our next show

and I sent an email out that for the Patriots and for a few teams like we're not, like I don't want to list Elliot Wolf. I'm listing Vrabel slash Wolf with Vrabel's name first. We're doing that for a few teams.

You know, one guy who's not getting traded. You know whose strategy has not been sustainable in general? Who's that great? The Arizona Football Cardinals for a long time. The strategy has not been good.

Monty Austin Fort, the drafts have been solid. I was once told, I believe this was at the Super Bowl, or maybe it was the Combine. You know, maybe lay off the Cardinals a little bit. We've been tough on the Cardinals. Austin Ford's drafts,

his moves haven't been that bad. I think he's making the right decision by not trading Josh Sweat. Ian Rappaport says definitively, they are not trading Josh Sweat. It has popped up in recent days that a bunch of teams, including the Packers, actually, were interested, wanted Josh Sweat, but maybe Josh Sweat wants out, but it doesn't matter. They're not interested. That's an option.

When there's a lot of trade speculation about a player and you'd like to limit that conversation, you could say that they're not trading them. I didn't know teams could do that. Rapsheet always couches things. Even when he was talking about the AJ Brown stuff, oh, maybe it's not. totally, he always couches things. And so when he doesn't couch something to save himself and saying, he will not be traded, no couching involved, that tells me something.

Like the Cardinals said, put the word out on the street. This is not freaking happening. Just shut up about it. That's what it tells me. All right. Speaking of the Cardinals, Mike LaFleur was in front of a podium, and he got the fantasy heads excited talking about how he's going to use his wide receivers, including Marvin Harrison.

It's a good question because I think, you know, like his profile, I guess you could say, would be that of a typical X receiver. What does that mean? Like, and again, they come in all shapes and sizes, but just kind of that lengthier body that can play on the outside. But what's unique about this system and not just the Arizona Cardinals, but the systems that run something similar is you can move them inside and outside on a whim, you know, just in terms of our formations or motions and all that kind of stuff.

So you don't want to say you can get you can protect them by bringing people inside, but but you can just utilize their skill sets in different ways. So yeah, he'll, he is our X receiver. But again, you can, you know, you can move him around that sometimes he is, sometimes he's not, if that makes sense. Are you guys not familiar with the tree is, is what Coach LaFerrella is saying there. In the tree. Yeah.

You know, X could mean a different thing. We could put some pounds on Marv, have him in there as a lead blocker. You know, we can do what we do whatever. we want. We're in the tree, baby. The McVeigh tree does get me a little excited. First of all, imagining Michael Wilson as the Puka type Z receiver

is kind of fun. Michael Wilson's a beast. Good player. Got to have a trigger guy to throw these gentlemen in the football. Fantasy football-wise, I just like hearing guys from the tree talking ball in the middle of June. And I think

the way they use Marvin Harrison did not make sense. I think got a make him more flexible. That said, if Michael Wilson is the Puka type of guy in this offense, he might be a higher volume guy. Might be the guy I'm taking in fantasy. And I don't even have a fantasy team. Maybe I will just to draft Michael

Wilson. Yeah, I believe. The Marr, obviously the talent is going to push his ADP up, but I think he's going to fall. He'll be a value because people are people have been burned. Burned. So it's a time of year

where you kind of have these tropes of guys, you know, talking up each other, players. It's usually coaches talking up players, but sometimes it's the players talking about the coach. I had a couple good examples of this this week, including one from Jordan Maelada, one of our favorites from the Philadelphia Eagles, talking about his new offensive coordinator, Sean Mannion.

Sean is a evil genius. That is my first impressions. He just knows ball. The guy knows ball. and if I were to lock the three smartest people in the facility in one room, Sean would be there. And I think Sean would just be by himself in that. It would just be Sean. He's a wizard.

And, man, I'm super excited. As the year goes on, we get to display what is in that beautiful mind of his. And so, yeah. I love Jordan Maelotta. I think he could have a future. in this business just has a great way with words. But I couldn't help but hear that quote and think what Nick Siriani must be thinking here

and be like, I can't get in that room. Yeah, that's exactly what Jordan realized as he was about to put two other people in the room, neither of which was going to be Nick Siriani. So that's why you think the pivot was? Because he was going to name three. And yeah, Siriani. He was like, wait, and Jalen Hertz's, he didn't, you know,

it's like, do I want to put my quarterback in that? It's tricky. Yeah, because. the media market prone to reactions to things that can have negative consequences for the person those reactions are toward. And so, yeah, I think Jordan elected, he realized he had went down a road

and said that all three people would be Sean Mannion because there were some people who were not going to be in the room. And I don't know why you had to lock them in the room to begin with. He said, if I could just lock three people in a room, like why is that what you're looking to do?

I do like the Sean Mannion excitement that's in Philadelphia. I don't know if it'll work out or not, but it's going to be different. There's a lot of Sean Mannion buzz from the players, from the reporters. AJ Brown's obviously not there. And I just think, okay, that's not going to help them. But what I like is that, okay, we're running back these eagles. There's a lot of familiar things.

But this is kind of a new twist. And I'm curious just to see what it's all going. The excitement of a new play caller coming in with imagination. This team has experience with this exact thing. Congratulations to Sean Mannion on his head coaching. in 2029. Good point. They cut Brandon Graham. I noticed after June 1st,

but the reporting was that it could just be a procedural move. If Brandon Graham wants to return at some point to the Eagles, they may bring Brandon Graham back. I found the quotes from Cooper to Jean talking about learning how to play safety.

Pretty interesting that he really is looking at this as a bit of a position switch. Let's listen to the all pro corner slash safety. You know, I've watched some Charles Woodson. He's been a guy I've watched this, this off season a little bit, you know,

and really just anytime I'm watching football on the TV, you know, looking at all those positions and trying to see where I can fit in. But it was mostly, you know, watching and, you know, learning from the guys in our defense. I think that's the easiest way to learn just because I'm already in this deep. defense. But I feel like I've learned a lot and, you know, prepared myself well for,

to play that position. Yeah, if you're going to watch someone, maybe, you know, in terms of a Hall of Fame, we're making the transition for cornerback to safety, although Charles and Rod, oddly enough, making that transition later in their careers, we got prime Cooper DeGene. Just trying to be versatile and available, but the tone makes it feel like it's not like Thorell prior having to stop playing quarterback but it's a little bit of a little bit of a loss. Oh, okay.

You think he's going to miss. I don't know if it's that much of a change. Like, yes, he was playing outside cornerback in base defenses last year. He's barely ever in that. And ultimately, he is still their slot defender. So I think Charles Woodson is a great comp and he's already playing like Charles Woodson.

And I just think it's funny to think back. on Cooper DeGene coming out, and there was a lot of sensitivities of like, oh, like, don't just put him there at safety because he's white. Like, he's actually really athletic. And like, now you look at what he's done as a pro. He's basically been a slot cornerback.

And he's one of the most valuable defensive players in the league because of his athleticism and because of his versatility. But right now, because of the needs of their roster, that's what he's mostly going to do, but he's going to play safety. It's just interesting to look back on all that. And also there's significant financial implications as well with regards to the designations.

I think that's important to remember. I think that will be changing, and I do think people are realizing slot weapon is a position, which is maybe as, if not more valuable than any cornerback position beyond, like it is just as valuable as the very top cornerbacks. And you can't tell me that, like,

outside cornerbacks are worth any more than Cooper DeGene, other than maybe a couple, a handful. Stingley, Sertan, guys like that. So I mentioned the just building up of Sean Mannion in the Eagles building. A familiar and similar phenomenon

is happening in Baltimore with Declan Doyle. Let's listen to Zay Flowers talk about his new offensive coordinator. Oh no, he got stuff that I've never seen and like plays and routes and like stuff to help you get open and he teaches you in a certain way where you remember

the plays where it's not too much. much stress on you, but he gives you a lot and talk fast too. So it's like I'm like, hey, coach, chill, chill, but he's like, he's genius though. I love it. I love it. We've been loving it so far. What do you think about the G word just being thrown out there? The G word typically is one that we get

for new offensive coaches. And so I am I'm a little bit low on the G word. But I do see the excitement in terms of a guy who's had some changes at play caller where it's not a negative when somebody calls somebody a genius.

Maybe we could get him to lock somebody in a room in Owings Mills. Maybe Zay would give us two more guys. Declan Doyle comes from that Ben Johnson coaching tree in Chicago. It was in New Orleans way back, I believe. And... Wait, you're giving him... Ben Johnson gets the tree. This is not a Peyton disciple.

This is... Well, Declan Doyle's so young that I think his year with Ben Johnson was really important. And now I'm going through the history of it. You know, he was with Sean Payton much longer, to be fair. No, and I don't, I just...

But that's all one tree. It's the Peyton tree that Ben Johnson's continuing, yes. Okay. Ben Johnson's part of that tree. Well, it's like McVeigh is getting his tree. Yeah.

We used to think of it as Kyle's tree. Maybe that's a source of beef. Trees. Lots of trees. They're important. We know this. Taping this show, just half a mile away from the Intuit Dome,

the site of some controversial lack of trees or trees, I don't know. Yeah. It had to do with Kauai Leonard. I also like that Declan Doyle said that he was not prepared for how twitchy Lamar Jackson is in person. As much as he's watched Lamar Jackson on film and on TV, that Lamar Jackson is the twitchiest athletes he's ever seen.

He's excited to coach him, which makes me excited to watch them. I also view these building up of the... new offensive coordinators as kind of a shot at the previous offensive coordinators, maybe back to Greg Roman, you know. It feels a little bit more like, oh, this is what these guys are supposed to be. You know who showed up as a genius offensive coordinator and then capitalize on it? It was Liam Cohen in Jacksonville. He had a comment this week about Brian Thomas Jr.

Trying to stand up for Brian Thomas Jr.'s development in his second season. I think that any time you have a, I guess, quote unquote, setback, I don't know, I mean, I guess fantasy and people care a lot about that, but I know we won 13 games. So I'm sure if you're a competitor, I know you want your stats and your contributions to be at an all-time high. And I've been very pleased with how he's taking the things that we asked him to do to get better at and to be intentional about those reps. but, you know, I know everybody's, ah, you know, it's down here and fantasy and this, that, and the third. I mean, when you're on a good team,

I think that typically matters a little bit more. Love this. Nobody in football is more prepared to cut a promo on the haters. Yes. Than the master of perceived slights in Duval County, Florida, Liam Cohen. I love it. He did the move. I like to do a lot, which is just give a weird voice to the haters.

He's like, oh, the fantasy people out there saying, oh, and then you respond to the voice that's in your head. I've also read that Brian Thomas Jr. from the great beat reporter there, John Shipley, has looked good, that made some good plays early. And usually I wouldn't really care too much about OTAs,

but I got to say, Shipley was on the, Brian Thomas Jr. doesn't look that comfortable, it's dropping a lot of passes pretty early last off season. And it was kind of a sign that he wasn't as comfortable in this new offense. And this gives me some confidence, maybe we can get the old Brian Thomas Jr. back.

Yeah, and as the season went on, he started to do those things that we were more familiar with Brian Thomas being asked to do and had more success in that window. And I'm glad he's still there. I'm glad that the trade BTJ community, which wasn't a fantasy football. That was a football dude community. If we're going to silo for it. I mean, I was kind of part of that. Yeah, I put him up there. And you are a football dude.

I mean, I thought, I thought he might. I thought he might be available, and he would be someone I would give up a lot for, some picks, I believe. Let's fly through the rest of these items because we have an important end to the show. We are saying goodbye to our great producer, Chris Babona today, who's moving on to full-time happier trails somewhere else.

And so knowing that, the big finish is coming, Eric has been in my ear telling me a lot like how many minutes we've been talking and that's his subtle way of being like can you speed it up. Yeah, I'm over here honking. I do that for literally every episode. Okay, maybe you're not.

That's how I'm taking it. It's literally my job. In the description. Caleb Williams is your Madden 27 cover. He's doing the throw where he's kind of like his legs are all over the place and he's doing it over the skyline in Chicago. I think it's a cool cover.

And I think he's a cool choice for Madden 27. Yes. You know, have the moment of, of, you know, the Bears postseason for the past. Nobody's thinking about double doinks in Chicago right now. He earned it. It's a great opportunity to be excited and not have like expectations ruin any joy because I'm worried about the people in Chicago.

I wonder if they took that image exactly from one of his throws against Green Bay that that everyone remembers or if he did it separately. It's a great cover in my mind. I've seen a lot of a lot of hate towards it, which is. That's why I'm defending it here. We had some news from Nick Bosa last weekend that he expects to practice early in training camp and be ready for week one. All signal systems go.

He had that injury a little earlier. He's gone through it before. We'll see. He also indicated that his brother, Joey Bosa, is more concerned with his golf game than anything related to football. I have maybe just an inclination that Joey Bosa might be ready to stop playing football. He's made a lot of money. He's had some injuries, struggled at the,

very end of last year. Who knows? So Joey Bosa might just not be coming back. Also, Isaac Garando for the 49ers is going to be out through training camp, maybe even into the season with a torn pectoral muscle. He was going to be in the mix as one of the backup running backs there. The Patriots, who we talked about before, I mentioned glancingly that Julian Hills out for the season.

Very disappointing news for them. They gave him $7.5 million guaranteed a tight end who was going to be their solid tight end too, maybe play just about as much as, as Hunter Henry. They were excited about him, and so that's devastating to lose him in the offseason. Also, Michael Owenyu took a pretty dramatic pay cut just to stay on the team.

Surprising. $7.5 million less money, which supports something I heard leading into the draft, which is that he was maybe available in a trade that never happened. Why are they so down on Michael and Wenyu? I don't know.

I don't really get it. And taking the cut, it seems like he's down on himself as well. Yeah, he's still making $10 million. You don't want to become a free agent right now, but I bet you could have done better. I don't know. Is there something I'm missing?

One of their best players. Perverial bird in the hand, you know? I guess so. Be a Brzezinski. Kellen Moore spoke in front of the media, and he's always a little awkward when he gets the tough questions. He said he did not expect Alvin Kamera to show up to OTAs this week,

specifically Wednesday. But he did, because Kamara's been skipping off-season activities for a while, but they're glad he's here. He's still on the roster. June 1st is past. Maybe this thing is still happening. It's been a strange situation, Camara and the Saints.

Yeah. And not to project because they haven't heard anything from anybody involved. But Alvin Camara would probably like to make this not an easy separation. If it's something that the folks plan to do. Camara said publicly, he wants to be on the Saints. And the Saints have made some signals that that necessarily wasn't going to happen. Maybe the fact that he's there and he's practicing, I mean, make a decision. Hopefully he's there.

Get rid of the King of New Orleans if you want. Right. We'll see how it goes. Watch out. Patrick Sertan got a $5 million raise for 2026, and he would also get a $5 million raise in 2027 if he makes the Pro Bowl, which he has done four times. Yeah.

If he's playing football, he's probably going to be there. I think it's the initial Pro Bowl. So continuing a trend of just guys getting raises, which I like. Nico Collins got that. Like, he's not a new contract. He's just, they're like, hey, you're a little underpaid, Sertan, get more money. The Giants cut one of their kickers, Jason Sanders.

They also signed Juju Smith Schuster to a group, including O'Dell Beckham, that's just fighting to make the team. I wouldn't overthink it. These are all minimum salaries. I've seen a lot of like, why would they do this about O'Dell and this? And then there's like video of neighbors running slowly in a charity softball game. And people are like, oh, disaster. It's like you're just seeing who sticks. And unfortunately, Odell and Jujo are at that point of their career, just trying to make a team. And good luck to them. Josh Jacobs, who is being accused of domestic violence, is back at Pack. Packers practice, so they're operating as if kind of nothing's happened and waiting to hear from the NFL on that. I thought it was interesting. Justin Herbert is taking a day off every week throwing the football to just work on footwork with Mike McDaniel. And I got to say, I know it's the offseason, but some of the quotes coming out from the Chargers players about Mike McDaniel and Justin Herbert about McDaniel and some of the offensive linemen.

That is making me look side eye at Greg Roman, but they can't believe it. They're so excited. All the offensive linemen is like, this is. a whole new world. Like, we are loving the Mike McDaniel era. Who could have seen it coming, Greg? Also, Mike McDaniel, just as a play caller and as an offensive coordinator, you're not just getting him from Miami where he had to deal with everything else. You're getting him kind of in this perfect scenario where that's all he's focused on. And you might get the best offensive coordinator in the entire NFL because he can,

just not being the head coach, he can be freed up to do maybe what he does best. you know, what he does better. And there's something to that. Yeah, and I think I would lean more positive, you know, if people are thinking about, you know, shoulder and other things and this is a way to kind of manage. I purely think this is about Justin Herbert doing something he hasn't been able to do in a couple of years

where he get the, start the throwing situation from the ground up, be able to get out of the way, and you're not waiting what feels like 20 seconds for guys to get 30 yards down the field before they start. I'm so in on this Herbert McDaniel combo. Nick Underhill, who covers the Saints, mentioned that Jonas Sanker is the leading candidate to play that Cooper DeGene role. The star position in the Staley type defense, Fangio defense. So he's the guy who's going to be the slot guy.

It looks like this year and had a good rookie season. I just thought that was interesting. The NFL has moved up cut day and waivers three days this season to some. Sunday, August 31st, and then they're going to, the waivers will run on Monday, September 1st. That's three days. The reason I bring this up is it could really impact our weekend. I know when Eric saw this, he was like, is Greg going to make us do a show that day? To be decided.

We'll see. We'll see where I'm at. You definitely are. Are you kidding me? I mean, I kind of want to, but it is Labor Day weekend. It is our last time to take a breath before it all starts. But it's because of Australia, they're leaving for Australia so early, the 49ers and the Rams. They got to speed up the process by three days.

So it's messing with us. Let's hit the Abdul-Carter and Jackson Dart quotes from last week. Just because I thought the way Abdul-Carter addressed the situation with Jackson-Dart, speaking at President Trump's rally, and then him, you know, doing it, you know, writing a tweet about it. And a lot of people getting upset was as mature and concise and excellent as just about any athlete statement I've seen on a serious topic. So I didn't want to let it slip past before we did hit it on the show. So we're kind of ending with this. But you're going to hear from Carter first talking to the media. Some things are bigger than football.

And this is one of those things. Jackson is one of our leaders. He's the face of our franchise. he not only represents himself and what he does, but he represents all of us. And that goes for anybody who wears a giant's uniform. But if he chooses to align himself with a man like President Trump, it's my responsibility based on what I believe and what I stand on to not only show my teammates that I'm against that, but to show the world. And that doesn't mean that we have to spread hate.

It doesn't mean that me and Jackson hate each other or we have beef. I sit next to Jackson every day. Every team meeting, we close, we talk. And we just, as long as we make sure we got the same goal as a team and our goals align, which they do, and I feel like that's all that matter. So I just want to move past this and, yeah, that's it. I just thought, like, it was very clear. He wasn't, he wasn't looking at, like, a prepared statement or anything.

I thought he, like, stood up that. I just think of, it's hard not to think of these young men talking about things that get a lot of attention and think, like, that that's pretty incredible for, like, a 22-year-old to be able to just be that clear. That clear and that aware of where he is and using the language of the people that he's talking to and in placing those things before he ultimately gets to his point within the context that they are willing to engage and understand in talking about team leadership where, you know, if we're really having the discussion, like what does that mean? Representing the Giants, what does that mean? Who gets to represent the Giants and who has the power to do that? but he's using the language of the people in that space to highlight some of the contradictions and questions

that honestly they're not conversations they're not willing to have because otherwise Abdul Carter saying this would not have been necessary. And, you know, Dart spoke for a while. It was tough to cut his quotes down. It was tough as it was to listen to. It just, he talked for a while. He said it was an opportunity he didn't want to miss.

and he was not comfortable up there kind of speaking about it. But one thing that both of them said is how close to the two of them are. That they're both focused on the football team. And I think that was one thing they had in agreement was like, this isn't going to be a distraction to us.

We know where each other's at. I just appreciated that Carter. Like I saw people say like that Carter didn't back down. It would back down from what? I actually, I want to hear what Carter said actually when he was asked about, you know, Jackson Dart,

whether Jackson Dart said he was sorry. No, I don't want him to say he's sorry. Like, stand on what you believe in, but it can't be a problem when I stand on what I believe in. And that's all that matters to me. Just as long as we have that understanding, it's all good. Yeah, that's it. And that was my initial reaction.

Exactly. And apologies to, you know, because didn't have the opportunity to talk about this. But to be, right, openly and politically black in America, you are required to exist in circumstances with people that have the same exact views as Jackson Dart all the time. And the idea that it's going to be this distraction, like half of the league would be rendered inoperable. Right. If they were unable to be successful athletically in the vicinity of these people, when these people exist from sea to shining sea in every capacity. And so, like, that's why it was important for him to start off.

saying what he said, because the initial reaction was not like, oh, this is what Jackson believes needs to happen on the planet. It was, how is this going to affect the New York Giants? Are those players who feel that way not going to try as hard now, which is a preposterous freaking idea that somebody's going to limit their personal success because of proximity to this type of person that they've literally had to be around their entire life? In that, I don't, you know, multiple things can be true. I don't doubt that they are close and that they get along.

because they have a lot of things in common. Yeah, because one person has to think about certain things and the other doesn't, right? And they can be uncomfortable asking questions, but up there dancing on stage, doing whatever culture vulturing that you do with some YouTube or TikTok dance is uncomfortable to talk about it,

but it's not uncomfortable to do it. So, yeah, those quotes came down at the end of last week, but I didn't want to not kind of circle back after what we said. And yeah, what I said initially was similar to what you said. It's like every team, it's America. Every team is dealing with this at all times. They're dealing with it fine.

Distraction is such a dumb word. Before Chris Bobona comes and closes this show down with a fury, I did just want to say rest in peace to Raymond Barry. We like to honor those who came before us. And he's a name that I feel like younger listeners might not know at all. Gen X slash millennial listeners might think of him as the coach of the Patriots. that made it to their first Super Bowl when the Bears beat him

by quite a bit. But he's one of the greatest football players of all time. He was on the all-time 75th anniversary of the NFL team. He was on the all-time 100th anniversary of the NFL team. He was on the all-1950s team. In the quote-unquote, greatest game of all time, which helped to build the sport that we cover up to what it is because it just blew up on television,

Giants Colts. He went 12 for 178, And one of the reasons people thought that football exploded in the way that it did was very much because Johnny Unitas and him started playing hurry up in a style that just people weren't familiar with the passing game late in that game. They had to come back. And he goes three straight catches for 62 yards to set up and get that tying touchdown. They went in overtime.

It was the original version of Brady to Gronk in the AFC championship game, but way more dramatic because it was bigger plays. It was in a title game. And Dr. Z, Paul Zimmerman, who I believe to be the greatest football writer of all time, said that Barry was the best possession receiver he ever saw play, period. Didn't wear gloves. He's just back there in old days. And so just RIP to one of the great's Raymond Barry, one of the best receivers of all time.

Yeah, 74 catches in a year that Johnny United's had 190 completions. That's crazy. He was that passing offense, an unreal passing offense, that if you adjust for era and rate and pace of play, they put up insane numbers in 1960. And the fact that he did it on the biggest stage to a number of time with those Colts teams and one of the best players ever in Johnny Unitas,

rest in peace, Raymond Barry. And also, yeah, made a seven-year-old Greg Rosendahl back on the day thrilled with a surprise appearance in the Super Bowl and the AFC Championship. you know, the Super Bowl. That was a tough one, 46 to 10. But what are you going to do? Yeah, and one of the greatest teams of all time.

We are wrapping up this show with Chris Bobona. He has helped us out over the last couple of years in innumerable ways. He stepped into a moving train at the time and immediately started helping us out here on the production side, on the social side. He is an ambitious guy. He always wanted to do more.

He was always asking what he could do more. and he is going on to Greener Pastures, a full-time job. That's what we want for all of our producers at Baseball America. His first love, baseball. Let's hold that against him. And I know he likes to be on camera. Let's be on it. He likes to get his takes in.

And I appreciate that. I'm the same way. And so we thought, what can we do for Chris on the way out, Patrick? Put them all. Give him some air time. Chris Babona, you have one minute. We could talk to you a little bit just men to men afterwards. But you have one minute right now to use however you see fit,

but Eric is going to run a timer on this. Concision is important when I'm not talking. I got it. All right. You ready? It's going to be three lessons I learned at NFL Daily. Oh, yeah. Let's go.

All right. Number one, AI is taking over the world. Oh. And not in a good way. Okay. Because in this job, I've had multiple times where AI has tested me and ask Adam Thieland how far I have come because there have been some times when we got got, Greg has gotten got, A.J. Brown got the whole world, it seemed like, this week. And I just think the IQ I've gotten to identify and avoid AI being on the show, numerous. Number two, don't ask permission. Ask for forgiveness. And I think there are so many times in this job. where I've just gone out and done things and sometimes you get the right result.

Sometimes you don't, but I don't think I've ever regretted going that extra mile, doing the extra work. And that's my number two lesson. And number three, Greg never loses an argument, so don't even bother.

Oh, stop. It is impossible, whether it's a title, description, creative decision, just it's Greg way or the highway. And so I'll go out on that where Greg is the man. This is his show.

His name is on the, masked head. So that's number one. Chris and I had a great relationship. And by great, I mean, I was a little tough on Chris. Because here's the thing with your second point, Chris. I feel like you did ask for forgiveness a lot, which I, you know, you just went off and did some crazy things. And I, sometimes I was tough on you. We would go back and forth. Man, don't try to win an argument. That's not true. You got, you got your. W's Chris.

But now I feel bad. That doesn't reflect well on me. Because obviously I'm in the wrong many times. Yeah. And if it were like ultimately true, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'll admit, I could be insubordinate at times and you are the boss.

So, no, Greg's in the right on this one. No, I am not. But when it comes still, yeah, titling the show or certain things like that, if I got to be in my bonnet about what it should be. The AI thing, yeah, that's a lesson for all the...

Yeah, it's, producers out there. It's just more that you're getting bad information a lot of the times is what Chris is alluding to. And if you're recapping something, you're just doing research on something, like, don't trust it. Yeah, it's predictive text. It's advanced predictive text.

People need to stop relying on it. People rely on it with things that they aren't good at. When you do it with something you're good at, you realize this is wrong and dumb and we shouldn't do it, nor should we invest half of the resources in our society. Three lessons.

Wow. What a way to close. I think you won that last argument. You know what I mean? I appreciate it, Greg. You got it. The ask for permission, not for goodness, you do have to have a little bit of a sliding scale on that and a feel of that. But I do think ultimately in life, in work life, that's a good way to be. I think he's also laid out a good example for, because we're not going to replace. place Chris Babona. No. And I think in this opportunity, we've seen that the value of being affiliated with Greg Rosenthal is you get to be you in the capacity that you can be you. And so whoever comes in, yeah, you know, forgives us and not permission, but also, you know,

don't try to, don't try to be Chris because you can't do that. Chris, Chris, I see you're opening the card without asking permission. Yeah, Chris gave us a couple cards. We're going to, we're going to open it. Are we allowed to read these on air? Yes, I would love that. I would love for Patrick to go first. Okay.

First and foremost, he has drawn a shield robot on one side that says beep boop, which I also appreciate. Now I'm going to cry. Patrick, I wanted to say how much I appreciate working with you. The last two seasons, I'm going to miss your energy, humor, and ability to stick it to the man. I wish the best for you and the fam. Cheers, Chris Pabona. Now I'm emotional, so thanks. Love you, Patrick.

Love you, too, man. Damn it. Chris says to me, Greg, thank you so much for entrusting me with NFL Daily these past two seasons. We've produced some really cool shit together, and I'm sad to have to move on. You're a hard man to please, but in the end, I appreciate you pushing me to be the best producer that I can be. Sorry for giving you a few extra gray hairs. Best, Chris Fibona. Took a little shot there at the end.

I appreciate it. And I do have more gray hairs, but not because of Chris. what you want in this job is like people that love what they do and are trying to just make the best show possible. And Chris always with that in mind. He loves the show so much. He's helping pre-produce our flag football show that he's not even going to be here for,

but he believes in flag football so much. He once asked Roger Goodell a question about flag football at like an employee summit. And he had been here for, I don't know, like two weeks at that point. And he has the confidence. to just stand up because he's passionate about Flag and ask Big Raj. And so you're going to help out with that show. It's the future.

And I'm so glad you're investing in it. And I think Jordan is the perfect vessel for that too as a co-host. She loves flag football. It's going to be a huge thing of 2028. I don't think the NFL is doing enough now. And I think really making forward about what they could do at a content perspective in flag football. There's some serious buy-in.

And if I have a closing remark, it would be that think about flag football from a content perspective because that's a gold mine. Veteran move there. That was totally not part of your minute. And yet, if someone gives you the mic, you have the control at that point. And you can just take it. And you ran with it. And yeah, more in that space, by the way.

We got our flag football extravaganza coming up in a couple of weeks with Jordan doing some work. And Chris is going to do that. Let's get out of here. Let's do it. Thank you for running through all those nugs, a fun Wednesday here in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio. It's been a busy week. We're going to wrap up the week the same way we've been wrapping up every week over the last month with our NFL 32 series. This time, it's the NFL GMs on the hot sea.

One to 32. We'll see if Terry Fontano makes the list, Patrick. Be it Brasinski! This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human.