NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 40s and Free Agents: Gregg Rosenthal and Daniel Jeremiah Discuss NFL Mock Draft 3.0

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal and Daniel Jeremiah deliver another heated episode of 40s and Free Agents. This time, DJ takes center stage following the release of his 2025 Mock Draft 3.0, where Jeremiah explains why he flipped the top two picks in the draft from his previous version. He also offers a rationale as to why Colorado WR/CB Travis Hunter fits with the New England Patriots. Later, Gregg and DJ debate the new additions to the Mock Draft, as well as analyze the most noteworthy omissions.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to 40s and Free Agents, your limited series show going all the way to the draft. We're going to talk about Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft 3.0, but this show has been such a hit early. We've already graduated to the media beef portion of our growth. Let's listen to the insiders from our own network who didn't like that DJ was the one breaking some news last week. Anyway, DJ, you're welcome to scoop out anytime. Or sometimes you're in the back of an Uber the night before the draft.

The DJ is debating between C.J. Stroud or Will Anderson going to the Texans. And I yell out, how about give them both? And then you take credit for it. And you take a little victory lap. I'm just saying there's a little like that was me. That was more me than you. That was more me. DJ is the best.

Greg is also a person we work with. Wow. That's a, that's a tough. one there, Greg. I will say I'm here in Frisco at the home of the Dallas Cowboys, a home of an organization that said they're going to be selectively aggressive. I feel like Pellasero's selective memory there with how that went down on the Houston Texans. But I honestly don't feel that bad the way I came out in that, Greg. I thought maybe more of a shot at you there at the end. Someone we worked with? That one's a little harsh. Yeah, no, I would like to actually thank the

insiders, the only three men in the industry that could make me look likable in comparison. So where you have a big show this week, we're going to go through your mock draft. We're going to talk about picks we like, picks we didn't. But let's just take a look at the top five to start out the show and how it's changed since your last one. So this time around, we got Cam Ward, number one. That's a flip-flop. Abdul Carter is there now at number two, going to the Browns. Chudor Sanders is up to number three with the Giants.

That's spicy. Travis Hunter to the Patriots at 4 and Jalen Walker from Georgia. the linebacker, going to the Jaguars at 5. Let's just kind of go through some of these changes. I'll give you an easy question first. Why flip the top two picks? Well, I think some of it's what you alluded to, one of our previous episodes about the fact that Tennessee

really hasn't done anything at the quarterback position, and it's hard to imagine they're just going to run it back with Will Levis. I thought it was a salient point that you made, Greg. I like to point those out. They can be a little few and far between. Wow. But I also think that if it's not Tennessee, that it's somebody else coming up to take Cam Ward.

It just feels like if you're, if you're Tennessee, you're going to take Cam Ward or you're going to trade the pick for somebody else to come take Cam Ward. You're going to get some assets, you know, it doesn't, it wouldn't make as much sense for them to take another player at one when they might be able to get that same player by trading down to two or three for two teams behind you that could be in the quarterback market. So that's why I've slotted Cam Ward in at the number one spot. That all makes sense, but all I could really hear there was you pumping me up.

I like that the insiders coming after us is bringing 40s and free agents together. Like, I won't even point out that you're the only person other than Aaron Rogers who still plugs in, you know, his ear pods there, you know. True story. We got time. I mean, what do we got today? I just did three hours of live coverage at the Big 12 pro day. So let's go ahead and let this breathe a little bit. This is an Instagram thing. I saw this on social media.

Basically told me I'm going to, I'm going to keel over and die because I have been using wireless headphones all these years. And so I don't know if there's any truth to that science scared me enough to the point that I'm plugging these uncomfortable things in. I can tell you that. Yeah, that's where we are in 2025. You want to get all your news from Instagram warning about brainwaves. It's accurate. Miles Garrett was with our friend Andrew Siciliano this week on his podcast for the Cleveland Browns. And he said he had an idea what the Browns are doing at quarterback and it made him feel better about signing there. I'm just curious. Do you, do you think he has any idea? What would that idea be? Because to me, the most logical idea there

would be, would he be excited about them trading up for Cam Ward? Unless Kirk Cousins gets him going. In your mock, you have Abdul Carter going number two and pairing with Miles Garrett. Yeah, I think that there's interesting choice there. And I've touched on this before with Cleveland, but I tried to flesh it out a little bit more. First of all, you do hear Kirk Cousins name mentioned, you know, as someone who, you know, I do believe he is going to get traded eventually. So maybe that's they're selling him on a veteran who can come in here and kind of just get the offense functional. And then they could use that first pick as I had him here, taking Abdul Carter to give him a big time rusher on the opposite side where, you know, with Jim

Schwartz's defense, they're going to line those guys up wide and they're going to let them hunt. And that would be a great fit there on the opposite side of Miles Garrett with Abdul Carter. Now, I do believe wholeheartedly, Greg, they're going to take a quarterback with one of their first two picks. So the question is, do you want to take Abdul Carter, if he's there, who's the best, in my opinion, the best player in the draft, for sure, the best defensive linemen in the draft, and then pair him up with a quarterback that second tier, whether that's someone like a Jackson Dart, whether that's a Tyler Shuck, whoever your quarterback is. You know, Tyler Shuck is a big, strong-armed guy kind of fits that division and that, that,

that climate a little bit. So I thought that would be a pairing versus where you take Shudor Sanders, you come back to edge rush you get in the second round is going to look nothing like Abdul Carter. So that's kind of the logic behind the way that I went. And I don't know if that's what they explained to Miles Garrett or not. But, you know, we'll see. I do think they're going to take a quarterback one of their first two picks. Well, they famously passed on a quarterback to take Miles Garrett. It was Carson Wentz. And for a couple of years, Browns fans were tortured thinking they missed out on their guy. And now there's some buzz. Actually, Carson Wentz might be the backup veteran option there. So maybe they want to go back

to history and that would say, yeah, take Abdul Carter. Go back, go back, Greg, and look at the 21 draft where we spent, and trust me, I was part of it. We spent all that time talking about those five quarterbacks. They all ended up going, right? You had Trevor Lawrence go. That was Tray Lance. That was Justin Fields.

That was Mack Jones. That was Wilson with the Jets. All these guys. We talked about them the whole run up to the draft and go look at I think seven of the top 13 picks have got extensions now. We've seen J.C. horn. We've seen, it was Jamar Chase, Waddle, all those guys. Devante Smith, they've all got extended. The misses ended up being the vast majority of the quarterbacks. Right. And the only one

without an extension out of that whole top 10 or top 12 is Michael Parsons, maybe the best player among them. You got to get him. And then right behind him is Rishon Slater, who's waiting on his extension, who's going to get one, I'm sure. So when these mocks come out and look, I'm glad that you're debuting this here digitally with 40s and free agents, Daniel, but I've already seen like there's all sorts of shows and websites that are basing content off of your mock draft. If you Google, it's like hard to actually find your mock drafts because so many people are writing about your mock draft and one of the things you're doing that most mock drafters aren't. And when you do mock drafts, it's actual news is you are moving Shadur Sanders up at a time

when some people are moving him down. We're at a point where we hear from Tom Pellasero, I will give him credit for being first on this one, that Aaron Rogers and the Vikings is not a marriage that's going to happen, at least not anytime soon. If you wanted to wait it out until the middle of the summer, who knows. But you have the Giants taking Shudor Sanders at a point where Aaron Rogers is on the table for them.

Is this a case of just they needed to save their jobs? and honestly, the only way they could possibly do that is draft a good rookie quarterback and make him look good? Well, they need to find their quarterback of the future. We start there. And this is a question. I'm glad you kind of brought this up because a common question that comes up when you do what I did in this mock draft is why is Shudor Sanders good enough for the Giants at three,

but yet not good enough for the Browns at two? Like that's a common question. And I can explain it this way. You know, with Abdul Carter being there. I think, you know, it's a premium player, premium position. That's a tougher decision when you're choosing between those two options. Obviously, he's off the table here for the Giants, no Abdul Carter. The other thing is sometimes you get these little pieces of information.

Some of it's yet to be verified, and this is 100% in that camp, Craig. But I was told by someone, not outside the Giants organization, but someone inside the league that said the Giants had a presence at every single Colorado game this year. They were following Chudor Sanders around the entire season. So that seemed to me, oh, it's kind of interesting. Now, I haven't talked to Joe Shane or talked to anybody with the Giants to verify that. I'm sure reporters can take the baton from here and see what they can figure out. But I was like, man, they've done a lot of work and a lot of homework on Chudor Sanders. And at that point in time, with the options there, I just thought, man, they would have a tougher sell in terms of passing on a quarterback, I think, than even Cleveland would, you know, because Cleveland,

comes away with the prize possession and the edge rusher there to pair up with Miles Garrett. Yeah. And I know jobs are on the line in Cleveland and New York. But the more I thought about and was looking at your pick here, I just think, forget Aaron Rogers. Because to me, it doesn't make sense to bring in Aaron Rogers and Shudor Sanders. But that would be a possible option for the Giants if Rogers chooses to do that. If they choose to do that, it doesn't sound like a decision from Rogers coming anytime soon. Anyways.

If I'm Aaron Rogers, though, hold on. Hold on, hold on, Greg. If I'm Aaron Rogers, and I've got one or two years left, and he has a couple suitors by all accounts, it sounds like the Steelers and the Giants, wouldn't you want confirmation from the Giants? Wouldn't you tell them like, hey, guys, I'll come, but I want to try and win right now. So are you going to guarantee me? Like, you know, if you'll get this answer or not. If I'm Aaron Rogers, you might as well, I'd say guarantee me that you're getting somebody to help me not to sit on the bench with the third overall picture. that's fair and it just seems like a bad idea after you're the New York Giants and they've made a lot of bad ideas over the last few years and I think drafting Shadurr Sanders is a better idea because the only path and I don't think it's going for Aaron Rogers and trying to win now with him if you look at his tape

he's just not he's not holding onto the ball he's not close to the same athlete that he used to be the only way to save your job is you have a really good head coach with quarterbacks and you could go win six or seven games if Shudor Sanders looks like the future at quarterback you can extend out your time in New York and Joe Shane in that 2024 class, which was very good, has a chance to get even better and everyone keeps their jobs.

And that's a big part of how you make these decisions. Now, we're going to do a segment coming up, DJ, of the picks that, you know, I actually think you did a pretty good job. But I had to say, right now looking at the top five, Travis Hunter, to the Patriots, I mean, I don't know if you're just kissing up to me because this is what I would love. I think a lot of Patriots fans would love this. And would this be a team that you see him at receiver?

I'm curious of the other teams in the top five, like which teams could potentially see him at receiver? I'm just trying to do what everyone does to Boston teams, which is like you got the Yankees, all these injuries to the pitchers, and now everybody in Boston thinks they're going to win the World Series this year. And now I'm just put this hope out there that Travis Hunter is going to be gift-wrapped to him

and absolutely fall into their lap. So that's all I'm doing. I was trying to raise the expectations there for your hometown team. But, you know, to me, the fascinating thing with Hunter is if you went around a different teams, Greg, how they would use him would be different. And I'll pose this to you as the Patriot Homer here. How do you tell Drake May, if you pick him, that we're going to major him in defense and minor him on offense when he's better than anybody he's throwing the ball to? Like, you couldn't do that. He'd have to be a full-time receiver.

And if you want to sprinkle him in on some third downs, you know, to get him on the defensive side of the ball, you'd do it. but I think their plan would be way different than a team that might have a needed corner. I agree. I think he would have to be a receiver for them and then maybe you sprinkle them in at cornerbacks, see how that works. I'm going to answer my own question since, you know,

you didn't really answer it. Tennessee, I think you could put him, if they happen to trade down and take Travis Hunter, they need a cornerback, they need a wide receiver. I don't really know. Cleveland, to me, he'd make sense at wide receiver as well. He'd immediately be the best wide receiver on that team wouldn't necessarily be the best

cornerback. Giants, you tell me, Jaguars, like what do you think these teams specifically, because I don't think he's getting out of the top four or five, where those teams would put him? Yeah, Cleveland would be an interesting one. I think Cleveland might be the place where he'd have

a chance to do a little double duty. He'd have a chance to maybe even maximize himself a little bit more. New England, just because of what they've done with Carlton Davis and already happened in an elite corner in Gonzalez, that was the easy one. The obvious one there. I will say if he got the five in Jacksonville, maybe that's another one where he can pull some double duty there. But man, can you imagine on offense, Trevor Lawrence, you get out there

and you look and you see BTJ out on one side. And now I've got Travis Hunter as a toy to play with and move him around and try and get him the ball as well. That would be fun. That would be fun. If you're Jags fan, I would think that that would be a fun watch. I mean, he's getting double duty, at least eventually. You got to give it a shot at some point. This is a guy who's done. something we've never seen before. It would be a crime against the football gods if you didn't give them a shot at both sides of the ball. But I get that you start out on one side focusing. Let's go to the picks that I like the most, DJ, that you made. Picks, you know, I didn't hate. It's funny because it doesn't say that on the screen. It doesn't say Picks Greg likes. That would seem

to be a nice thing to say. It says Picks, Greg doesn't hate. That's absolutely true. I don't love that. Maybe that's our producer trying to, you know, cause even more friction between us. Ashton Dente to the Raiders at six. Mason Graham to the Panthers at eight, Will Campbell, the tackle from LSU, going to the Bears at 10. Colstead Loveland, the tight end, go into Seattle, and Donovan Azaraku go into the Bucks at 19. Nicely done. Good pronunciation. Yeah, thank you very much. I practice. I want to go through these one by one. Let's start with Mason Graham, actually. I just like this pick because on the last show, I kind of knocked him. I wonder, is this really a three down player and you took offense to that and then you know fast forward

a couple weeks and you're moving them down your mock draft you're listening to me no that's absolutely incorrect it's it's very consistent with my take on mason graham who has not had any movement uh you know in terms of my top 50 list in terms of like a major fall there i think he went from what five to eight so it's three spots and i i told everybody this is going to happen with mason graham he's a great player everyone has good grades He is made for the fall. He's not made for the spring. We do not see him work out at the combine.

We'll see him at the pro day. But he's not going to wow you on the hoof. You're not going to walk out there and see, you know, this physically imposing guy compared to his teammate 78, Kenneth Grant, who you see on the video that we're watching right now. I don't think he's going to have long arms. He's not going to be one who's going to just blow it up from a testing standpoint. So as happens every year with a couple players who are great on tape and they're not built for spring, you'll see those guys slide a little. little bit. And what happens is they end up, you know, fall into a team that's very, very fortunate to have them. The Baltimore Ravens have an all-pro safety at a Notre Dame that we saw

the exact same thing happen in Kyle Hamilton. So again, Greg, some guys, and we'll, we'll educate you as we're doing more of these shows year after year after year. You're going to start picking up on this. You're going to have fall guys, and I'm not talking about lead majors, and you're going to have spring guys. And that has something to do with where they go in the draft. all right jokes aside is it fair to say that teams view graham differently that he might be more device but i don't know if this is true or not i'm asking you think that his of course there's a lot of teams that are going to agree with you and you only need one team to be like that they fall in love with the film but are there some teams you think just don't view him as that

sort of player i i've talked i won't blanket it with teams because i've talked to different people in organizations and i know some some individuals might not be at as high on him as I am, but I would say the vast majority of folks I talk to hold him in very high esteem. And to be honest, like from a draft standpoint, we're not flush with premier, premier, you know, impact guys up there in the top 10. So I think what you're going to see is kind of the consistent, the steady, you know, reliable, dependable players like him. I think they're going to get bumped up a little bit when it's all said and done with the teams that, you know, just they don't want to miss.

Greg, we used to always say, when I was in Baltimore, Ozzie Newsom used to always say, hey, there's nothing wrong with hitting doubles. We don't need to swing for the fences. Let's get solid, you know, guys. And then a lot of times end up being more than that. But I think he is a very, very high floor player. Similar to Will Campbell. So I like that pick because it just seems to complete the theme of the Bears off season.

I think they've come out with a purpose. They've done it in trades. They've done it in free agency. I think their head coach is partly running the show here. or at least, you know, he has a big contribution of how this is going to look. And Will Campbell being the second offensive lineman off the board, if he is there at 10, that makes a lot of sense to me, possibly, you know, sliding right in at left tackle.

My question for you is, do you think he's the second offensive lineman on the board? In this mock draft, he is now behind Armand Membu, who's going number seven to the Jets. Do you think that's like a conventional take now in terms of teams? Do you think he's more likely to go second or that's just a toss-up? I think it's a concept. I literally think it's a coin flip. I would not be surprised if that went either way. You've got Campbell who has, you know, look, he started as a true freshman there.

You know, all the makeup, the intangibles off the charts tested. I mean, he tested well. I mean, it got kind of lost because Membue put on such a show. But, you know, Will Campbell doesn't have the length that scares, does scare some people. It's not even really the length. I would almost say it's more of the wingspan. Just kind of narrow shoulders, not a real broad guy. and Mimbu just, you know, as big as he is, as strong and athletic as he is,

they're both young guys. You know, I think you could see half the teams have it one way, half the teams have it the other. I do think they go off within a few picks of each other. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. By the way, you're taping as you mentioned from Big 12 Prode. Can you tell the announcer in the background that's just yell out? Yeah, you got mad at me.

Oh, you didn't answer my question. Well, I can't hear you, bud. I've got the PA guy going a nutso behind you. me. I thought I was just here at something crazy, but it just shows how what other shows are out there on site giving you this material. Ian Rappaport, he's on the ski slopes. I have information right now. He's not even working, and we're out here grinding, especially you. By the way, by the way, kids, kids size, kids size skis, by the way, for Ian. Nobody knows that, but that's true. Right. It's that, it's that little side ski lift that's just like a mini one. It's like you

could have even just walked up to the little kitty hill that you go down. I'm with you there. Colston Loveland, what a pickup this would be for the Seattle Seahawks who I think need help on offense. You have them falling to 18th, not falling, that that's a good spot. I'm glad, I'm glad you picked this one. I'm glad you picked this one to talk about because I know, like I've talked, we talked about it previously too, like offensive line, interior offensive lines, a direction you would think makes a ton of sense for them. But in this, in this case, I think, and this is maybe a disconnect between the inside the, draft room and maybe what the expectations are on the fan side of things, which is, yes, we might

have a higher need somewhere, but you don't pass on what we would call a blue player. Like, this is someone who I have as a top seven player in the draft. And do we have anybody is no a fan going to preclude me from taking a top seven player in the draft? Not a chance. I'm going to give Sam Donald a bunch of easy, easy completions here with someone like Loveland. So I think that's, you know, there's times where like, hey, we have a need. need, we need to fill it. Obviously, you hope to do that in free agency, but you're still going to have needs in the draft, but the golden rule don't pass on great players. Yeah, to me, he might be a safer pick than Tyler Warren. You can just see what he does

and having it translate at the next level. And I also just thought it would be important for them to get like a tight end. He showed in his last year that he can really catch off target throws. And that's going to be necessary when Sam Donald's your quarterback. oh wow i see see you had to just get a darnal dig in there too man by the way are you guys having a are you guys having a party at the rosenthal household whenever we get the new gino deal i didn't know if he was it going to pay for that or not like do you does he pay for balloons and cake that you guys can it's taking a while um he does follow me on twitter we've never actually had a personal interaction i don't know it might it might be his his social media guy follows you on

Twitter. Let's, let's be honest, here. Come on. He has, by the way, if you ever sent a direct message, because I have, again, like different people, you know, a lot of times athletes that they'll follow you, and you follow them back. And I think I'll, I'll be on to tell you what it was. It was Cooper Cup. And I'll, next time I see him, I'll find out if this is true or not. But my theory is that when you send somebody, hey, congratulations on the new deal, happy for you, hope all as well. And you get back prayer hands. I'm thinking that's not, I don't think that's Cooper. I think that's just, I think that's his guy that runs the social media that's just acknowledging like, hey, yeah, I didn't realize

I followed you, but thanks. Thanks for the, thanks for the nice note. I love the little behind the scenes. And yeah, while we're talking, Gino, we might as well talk Ashton Jensi. You have him going number six and we're still waiting to see that Gino contract. This is one of those we have. We have one back in number seven, and I'm asking you to fight through the noise back there. Yeah. That there's a lot of buzz about. I, you know, I only have so many sources, not as many as the real insider Daniel Jeremiah. But this does seem one that, like, people think could really happen. Is there any concern if you're the Raiders that so many teams think that?

No, I don't think that you're in danger of having somebody leapfrog you. I mean, that's the, you know, teams are so paranoid about information getting out and their whole thing. Oh, somebody's going to trade up in front of me. That so rarely happens, you know, that you get connected with a player and then a team will leapfrog you to take them. And I, especially at the running back position and a deep running back train. and, you know, Amarian Hampton for me is not that far off. I love Gentie. To me, I love them as a player, but Marian Hampton is really, really good back.

I can't imagine that if you're, you know, like the Bears, you're going to create picks to get up ahead of the Raiders to get Gentile. If you were dead set on taking a running back, you'd have Amari and Hampton waiting for you, or you could even, you know, potentially wait until, you know, your second round comes around and get one of the Ohio State running back. So I don't think there's danger with that particular team being connected. to that player. Yeah. And there's been some criticism for the Seahawks, you know, trading D.K. McCaff away from Darnold, for instance, and not picking up an offensive

line. The Raiders don't have a Jackson Smith and Jigba. The Raiders need some, some weapons on their team. They don't have the running back. They got one. They got one really, really good one. Yeah. Gino Smith. Brock Bowers. Oh, look at you. I'm just saying wide receiver. You're absolutely right. Brock Bowers is a wide receiver with a T.E. next to his name. That is absolutely fair. All right. We're going to take a. quick break. We're going to come back and we're going to go through some of the picks that I wasn't as sure about, as confident. I want to hear these other ones you didn't hate. That's his nice compliment. Thanks. I don't hate these picks. What a jerk.

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It all kicks off Thursday, April 24th in primetime on NFL Network and NFL Plus. Find out where all the future stars of tomorrow land, visit NFL. slash draft for more information. And yeah, they got Jalen Carter's picture up there. They got Travis Hunter. They should have Daniel Jeremiah's picture up there. He's the one who owns the draft. Jalen Carter? Is that what you just said? Jalen Carter. So you guys, he goes to Penn State now and he's in this year's draft. The Eagles are going to be very surprised by that information. No one. I'm just trying to catch up. Goodness gracious. That's why it's called 40s and free agents. Free agents way, way after the 40s in terms of importance on this.

Okay, so let's talk about some players that I didn't think you did as good a job with. I'm going to call this section, what does DJ know about some of these players? Do you need me to pronounce them, Greg, or you think you got this one on your own? You got this one? I mean, I've got Jalen Carter on the brain. He was the most important player on the best defense in the league. Let's talk Jackson Dart. There's a number of players on this board that I don't think he did a great job with here, DJ,

than I have questions, but Jackson's Dart going 21 to the Steelers, is this a guy that it's more on the evaluation or more what you're hearing, putting him that early? No, I just don't know who's playing quarterback for him. And I asked myself a very simple question, do I think Jackson Dart would beat out Mason Rudolph? And I think he would sooner rather than later. And I also, with Jackson Dart, I've used this before, but he does remind me of Jalen Hertz, Jalen Hertz, who wasn't a finished product coming out.

when you watched him every year in college, he got better and better and better. They're both strong, sturdy guys. You look at the way they can move around. Obviously, Jackstar doesn't move around quite like Hertz does, but he rushed over 1,500 yards in his three years in the SEC. He's athletic. So all those things together, I thought, man, you could find some similarities there. And you look at, you know, Andy Whittles with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

He was with the Philadelphia Eagles. So I was just kind of putting a couple pieces together there, it more so than anything else, it was like, is this guy better than what we have on our roster at the moment? And the answer was yes. Yeah, I hear that. And yet it reminds me too much of the Kenny Pickett drafts that there's maybe only so many first round quarterbacks in that class that there were none. In this class, maybe there's the big two, if you want to put Sheter Sanders there. And then it's forcing a pick up with Jackson Dart. But we'll see. It makes a little bit a sense. They are on Aaron Rogers watch, and yet I don't think that would prevent them from

looking for a quarterback of the future. I'm going to see if I can get the PA to turn the volume up a little. I don't know if you're hearing that enough. So we are here at the Big 12 Pro Day and linebackers are running for. Literally, we're doing 40s and free agents while they're running 40s. Like you don't, I mean, where else you get that great? Come on. You are playing hurt today. You're fighting through a double team. I appreciate it. And so I feel bad for picking on any of these picks. I'm not really. They actually made me wonder, like, What does DJ know? Good questions.

Good questions. DJ knows a lot. What does he know about Ted McMillan here? Who has a little bit of a slower 40 time this week. You've had them in your top 20, in terms of your evaluation. So you obviously like him as a player. But you have them 22 going to the Los Angeles Chargers. And I got to admit, DJ, I checked on the Mel Kuyper mock draft, which also came out.

I don't know if I'm allowed to say Mel Kuyper's name. No, I love Mel. Absolutely. And Ted felt, he was kind of low on his mock draft, too, so something's happening here. What's happening with Ted McMillan? Well, a couple things. He ran his 40 other day. Now, this is a public service announcement. Don't believe the times that you get from 40s at Pro Days unless you get somebody who's talked

to a scout who was there. Because the times we're circulating, we're in the four-fours. And I talked to five or six different teams, and I didn't get anything from that. I got anywhere from the range of four, five, three at the low end all the way up to one, was it four, six, three. But the most consistent ones and the ones that got circulated to all the different teams was the four, five, three number, which is a good time. It's a solid time for a guy who was six foot four, two hundred nineteen, two hundred twenty pounds. But historically, Greg, I always try and remind people when you're doing mock drafts and you're talking about ranges of where guys can go, I'm not saying what type of player he's going to be. But the last time we had a receiver running the four-fives and go in the top 15,

you've got to go back to Mike Evans in 2014. So historically, the league doesn't take wide receivers that lack, you know, that top-top speed. They historically don't go in the top 15. And when you have Matthew Golden, who's got really good tape at Texas, he ran a 4-2-9. We'll see what happens with the Bucca. He was a tough one for me. I think once he runs, I think he'll run faster than people expect. I didn't have him in this last mock draft.

I think he'll come right back in once he shows everybody and verifies the speed that he has. So it's different flavors with receivers. I think it's possible. Maybe it's not likely he gets all the way to 22, but I think it's absolutely possible. Now, I know, you know, you respect Mel Kiper a lot, but are you checking out his mock drafts just to see? Or are you kind of Don Draper in the elevator? I know, I think about her three, Michael. No, I love Mel, and ours came out the same morning.

So, you know, you turn those in and then you just kind of see. So I always see it, like, it's curious to see if there's any new names that pop up in there, you know, because a lot of times, you know, that's coming from somewhere. It's not just, you know, what you're seeing. He does it similarly the way I do it in terms of talking to people on mock drafts. You rank them off your eyes. You do mock drafts a little bit more off your ears. So maybe there's somebody that's catching some buzz.

Maybe I can do my own homework on that. But yeah, I love Mel. I always love checking out Mel's stuff. Okay. I can't get you to take down Mel. that he's no Ian Rappable. I was in Mel's book. I used to work literally while I was in college,

I was working on the draft of Bruce Monson. I got to go out to dinner when Mel. I got to meet Mel while I was in college. And my senior year, he had no business putting me in the book. He put me in his draft book as, you know, I think priority free agent would be a kind way to say it, but I did make it to Mel's book that year.

Oh, I didn't even get you were in his book as a player. I thought you were just helping him out on the scouting side. I didn't know you played football. That's cool. You should start podcasting. that is tough that is tough i just wanted to throw out a little bit of news for our listeners cam robinson signed with the houston texans now he that's probably it is a one-year deal so i don't think that would necessarily prevent them from taking a tackle you had him go in kelvin banks

who plays the same position but again i don't think that would prevent them from taking a tackle for a one-year pickup for cam robinson but that was just interesting to me i noticed samar stewart who blew up the combine is number 30 in your mock draft. Yeah, the Eagles taking another big, strong, fast guy. Just interesting that maybe he didn't get the bump that I would have thought coming off that Combine performance. I mean, we had some people, I'm not going to name names asking,

could this guy go number one overall after the Combine? You have about at 32. Well, I don't think that we know where he could go. He's one with a very broad range. I will just say I was in the Combine, up in the booth next to Rich Eisen, and when Nolan Smith ran what in the high four threes, low four fours or whatever he ran out of Georgia, but someone who didn't have, you know, a ton of sack production. And what happened to Nolan Smith, he fell into the lap of the Philadelphia Eagles.

History has a way of repeating itself, Greg. So that was kind of my thought process there. The production isn't there. The disruption is. He's very disruptive. You can see on the clips that we're watching as we're talking here. I mean, he's got big time, big time speed that you see when he's working out. it also does translate to the football field.

He just hasn't, you know, he hasn't been able to rack up the sack production, hasn't been a great finisher, something that I think is, I think there's more out there for him. I think he's going to get better in that department. But if you told me that he was the ninth pick, 10th pick, or he was the 32nd pick, it's kind of one of those drafts where he's one of those guys with a very wide range. Okay, so DJ's not standing like on, on its two feet.

He has his big mock drafts that comes out right before the draft. I think he'll have the best information there. So I like hearing that on Stewart. Matthew Golden, number 12 overall, I just thought was a little wild. In this scenario, there's no Ashton Gendi on the board for the Cowboys. But man, his 40 maybe help him out. What's the thinking there?

That was one where I was like, wow, does DJ know something that Golden would go that high first receiver off the board? Yeah, he's my first receiver. So that's how I have him stacked. His tape is really good. This is someone, if you think about Texas, he transcends. He transfers from Houston, goes to the University of Texas, and in one year, establishes himself as the guy that your quarterback in Quinn Ewer's and your play caller and Steve Sarkesian trusts more than any. Why do I say that? Because when you're in a playoff game against Arizona State and it's fourth down and your season is on the line, that's where the ball went and he saved their season.

You see one-handed catches when you watch him. He's really, really strong. I go back to the less need line that when I talked about receivers, many months. many years ago, maybe not many, maybe three years ago. And they've had such a good job of hitting on whiteouts. I asked him one of the things that they focused on. He talked about guys that are grounded through the catch, guys that run through the ball. They trust their hands. They don't gather. They don't leave their feet. They run right through the ball with their cleats in the ground. And Golden does that really, really well. And then on top of that, a little sprinkle on top of

the Sunday ran 429. Right. And the cowboys have a massive need there in terms of their second receiver. I mean, you get him over the top. And with that speed and the ability to make things happen and you free up a little space for CD. Lamb, that'd be a fun pick. No, I got to admit, I don't, I don't hate that one. That was one I just wanted to know a little more. What's going in behind this week? As you said with Mel, you know, DJ's here and all this stuff. More to come on 40s in free agents back in a minute. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

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Just I kind of go over who was added from the last version. New additions from the last mock draft. Donovan Azarako, I mentioned Jackson Dart. Maxwell Hairston is new. He's at 23 to the Packers. Nick Iman Worry from the, you know, South Carolina is at 24 to the Viking team. Trey Amos was added, Mississippi cornerback, Derek Harmon, the defensive tackle from Oregon. And then the cornerback, Azariah Thomas from Florida State at 29.

Hirston is a guy would be very interesting for Green Bay. We don't know what the future is for Jaya Alexander. Do you think he fits kind of what they do as a team? can you go back to Thomas's first name he pronounced that one more time for me I didn't realize I don't know why I felt like I needed to say every name there I didn't need to you have mine I saw you're showing off at some point in time I was like oh yeah I'm Greg I just heard this name you know 20 minutes ago let me really try and practice the pronunciation I mean you pretty impressed I was a

I was a right that was worse I don't know why I kept you were better the first time I that's why I didn't think you had any chance of repeating that success you know what I mean. That's why I wanted to get that on the record. What was your question again one more time? It was about Harrison. And also, I actually was a little surprise. Starks and Eminwari, you still have Malachi Stark so far ahead, despite him blowing up the combine. Between those two defensive backs, who catches your eyes. Yeah, well, let's first of all, on Harrison, the Harrison ran really well. Harrison in 23, fully healthy, played a whole season, had five interceptions, made tons of plays on the ball, tested extremely well. Obviously, he's a freak in terms of the exclusiveness.

You know, wish he was a little thicker, but he's someone that can find and play the ball. He's got big time speed, and he's willing. Some of his tackling wasn't as good this year because of the shoulder injury, but you go back to 23. You felt more comfortable with it. Had a good senior bowl. So he's had a good process. So that's why I had him going to the Packers and a team with Jaira Alexander. I think we'd say his days are not long there.

So that's what made sense to me. And then in terms of the two safeties, Malachi Stark, I'm telling you, I have not heard one person that interviewed him or talked to him at the conline from a team that didn't love him, like not like him, like just loved him in terms of the intelligence, the ability to communicate what he sees going through his tape, the leadership that the background information they've got coming out of the school. So he's a real fluid, smooth athlete who can play as the free safety he can cover in the slot. You're going to be a little bit better in coverage in the slot.

Even war, he's a big hulking dude. He's not going to be. be quite as nimble to redirect like that. And even Worry worked out great. He makes a ton of plays on the ball kind of buzzing underneath things, kind of as a floater. And it's going to be an excellent bitzer. He's a, he's a phenomenal player. But I just think with Malachi Starks as someone that teams, coaches, personnel guys that have met with him, there's a lot of love for him out there. Yeah, Starks to the Dolphids, I should have mentioned, at 13. Well, Holland gone. Yeah. that's a fun fit, but man,

Emanwari to the Vikings, just as a fan, I want to see that with Brian Flores. And, you know, cut him loose and let him blitz. He might have eight, 10 sacks next year if he went there. You're making fun of me for the pronunciation,

and you should, but I take this seriously. I'm going to self-scout. I'm going to improve from this week to the next. Because I hate it when people are making jokes about not getting the pronunciation right. Like John McEnroe has no idea of these guys names who are like in the top 30.

It's your job. Learn the names. Do better. I'm saying that to myself. Way to criticize one of the legends of the game. I mean, goodness, gracious. For 19 to Sean. Mac and Row, like, we're going to go after McEnroe at this point. He's a great podcast.

He want to hit next. Bob Costas? He doesn't, like, go ahead. No, anyone outside the top five. He gets clearly bored by it. Asiraku, I was ready for that name. I just love that fit. Nailed it.

I could see him as a Tampa Bay, Buckaneer. He was not in your mock draft at all. Now he's all the way up to 19. It's what they need, a guy who can bend the edge, maybe not, you know, as big a player, but some real pass rush skills. He fits to me what Tampa Bay wants to do. Why did he jump so much? Is it just about the team fit?

Yeah, he's in that range on my top 50 list, so kind of where I have him stacked. And I also, he's another one who just, he knows how to play, knows how to rush. He's got tons of production. He's got long arm, which I love coming off the edge, and had a really, really solid week at the senior bowl, coaches that were around him there at the senior bowl. He really liked and really enjoyed being around him. And I know, you know, just Jason Light in his background and his history and talking to him over the years, I know he values production. So it's not only just kind of the traits that you have,

the long arms. And he loves the fact of, you know, historically guys that know how to finish and can win and get the job done and finish with sacks. And that's what he does. Yeah, just a couple of players. We haven't mentioned that there were players that were on your last mock draft that are no longer uh with us at least in in this show uh jeez you say it like that goodness gracious are still alive gregg yeah don't don't you feel bad you know cue up bone thugs and harmony crossroads here poor one out walter nolan no he was 12th on he's no longer there tyler booker uh the the guard from alabama he was at 13 he's no longer on it and then some guys that were towards the end of the draft like amica buka who you had at 25

before Trayvion Henderson was at 24, Darius Alexander. Does any of these names stand out to you? Yeah, let me give you some information. Let me give you some information. So this is literally, as we're doing this, in the stadium in Frisco with the Big 12 Combine, that's, again, that's the voice you're hearing in the background as they're finishing up their workout.

But Alabama had their pro day today. Booker did not have a good combine, like actually really poor combine in terms of the testing. his 10 time at the combine was I believe was a 196 for his 10 time and then he was 187 I believe today so that's from from guys who were there at the pro day so much better for him definitely helped himself with that performance yeah his tens were 19191 and 187 in his two runs so I think Booker get his he'll get back in he'll get back into the latter third I would say of the first round Walter. Nolan again there's some of those guys Shamar Stewart Walter Nolan there's pinions all over the map on these guys so again

it's that type of a draft great where you you can see boards stacked so differently more so than any other year normally there's kind of these are the top 15 picks I don't know how they're going to come off but these 15 players are likely to go in the first 15 spots this year there's

nothing that makes it more fun it also makes it great for people like me who like the mock drafters to just go up in flames. A little shout in flames. I think you got to be in trouble. Have they ever not? You get celebrated on a mock draft

if you get, if you got like 10 guys out of 32, that's a heck of a mock draft. That's fair. Yeah. And you had like last time, and this is how free agency affects things a lot. You had Trayvion Henderson going to the Vikings. Now they get Aaron Jones.

They trade for Jordan Mason. It is clear Traveon Henderson. That's out. Yeah. It was a great player, but that fit is absolutely out. And then you're looking at teams towards the back end of the first round. Not as many, I think that would take a running back. Let's look at the biggest risers.

This is our last graphic, if you are. Well, first of all, first of all, do you find it funny that I think we're signed up to do 10 shows? And it's the two guys, right, and we're going to at 40s and free agents, like the draft and free agency, we're going to do two of the 10 shows on free agency and eight on the draft. I mean, I don't know, I don't know what that says, but I thought it was interesting. We're talking about the marriage of the two. I just brought up some cold stone awesome info. No, and it was a nice, it was nice if, you know, it was nice, you know, as we're three quarters

away through the show for you to contribute, I appreciate it. That was a good nugget. I appreciate you dropping that in there. Cam Robinson was another thing. He was a guy who I think I might have rated too high. You know, I listen to you. You say push those offensive linemen around earlier. I kind of did that in my top 100, and Cam Robinson was in my top 30, NFL team.

did not agree with me, I don't think, but he did get $12, $13 million. He's going to be a starting, he's going to be starting left tackle. He's going to get decent money. That makes me feel better. Amari Cooper is just out there and he's just laughing at me. Let's look finally at the biggest risers from your previous version. Jihad Campbell all the way up to number nine from 29. Malachi Starks, we mentioned went from 32 to 13.

Matthew Golden up to 12. Genti from 21 up to 6. and then as a rock, a lot of the guys we mentioned up all the way to 19. Campbell to the Saints is really interesting to me. Here's my question about the Saints. That maybe you're not in position to answer. I don't know if you are or not. Who do you think really has the juice there in the building?

Like on one hand, I want to think, okay, Kellynne Moore, new offense, we're going to have a new approach, new defensive coordinator, Brandon Staley, all this stuff. But then I look at what they're doing this offseason, and it's just like, oh, yeah, these are the same old Saints. Mickey Loomis is a very important person in that building. So when you're making these picks, for instance, Jehad Campbell, like, are you thinking about what the old Saints would do or the new Saints? I want to know who has the juice in that building.

That's just a bigger question that I have. Well, I mean, ultimately Mickey does, but I do think that as a first, you know, first time, first year new head coach for the Saints, I would think they're not going to do anything that Killen Moore doesn't want to do. So I think a lot of times people ask that question, like, who has the power? And I'll say, well, I've never worked for a team where we took a player in the first round that our coaches didn't like. So even if we might have higher grades on the

personnel side, there's enough guys to pick from. We can find somebody that we both like. So I think that is a little bit more of a collaboration. Now, the interesting thing on Jehad Campbell, turn that thing in. A few days ago, mock draft comes out. Alabama has their pro day today. He announces it the pro day that he just had labrum surgery, I believe, right? after the combine. So he's going to be down for a little bit. I don't think that'll impact, you know, how high he goes. He should have a chance to be fully recovered.

But, you know, it's the medical part of this thing is something we won't know. So that, you know, that's something to keep an eye on with him. Yeah, that would be an interesting pick for that. I guess they have needs everywhere in theory because they don't have a lot of young core players. And so just get young and fat. They need to get young, fast and athletic. And I think Jehyev Campbell gives them that.

And someone who can do a lot of different things. I hear you. But if I'm Kellynne Moore, like, I want some offensive linemen. I want some weapons. I want some offensive players. I want a quarterback. And I look at my linebacker position. And, you know, they just renegotiated to Mario Davis again. They renegotiate Pete Warner again.

And those are two good players. To me, I think they are. This dude can rush off the edge. You could literally line him up as an outside lineback. He might get 12 sacks next year. So that's kind of the unique part about Campbell. he was recruited. He was an edge rusher in high school was recruited there as an edge rusher. But what do you do when you show up to campus and you've got two first round picks as your edge rushers at Alabama?

They're not going to, you know, he wasn't going to get on the field. So they moved him off the ball. And then this last year, you got a chance to rush a little bit more. But he was there with Dallas Turner and Will Anderson. So that's why he ended up moving, you know, off the ball. Okay, since we're getting into this here, and I know it's a little more draft than free agency. doesn't he profile didn't he look like an offball lineback like comparing him to jalen walker for instance who played at you know multiple positions and i think you see you can kind of see man that guy could be a mike mic apart whatever he's going to be an explosive edge type of guy wasn't campbell just such a good off ball linebacker that that's where most of the league will see him he's taller than

uh taller than jalen walker he's i believe longer than jalen walker and um he can he can really rush like he knows how to rush so yeah no he he would fit right in you you throw him outside and let him rush he will not look out of place at all um we haven't gotten a chance to talk and you mentioned cooper cup is just sliding into your dms or or his uh social media manager is uh what did what did you think of that move by the way i'm just throwing this at you at the last second yeah well i talked about it i talked about it last week i i liked it i thought they would sign garrett bradbury as well which they didn't he ended up going to new england but they did uh end up getting up in the Cooper Cup deal. And I want to say that I asked you what you thought the number would be

you weren't right. I said it would be 15 and it ended up being exactly 15. But neither here or there. I do like the fact of putting smart, surehanded receiver with JSN, who's a smart surehanded receiver. I think you're going to be able to do a lot of different things, be able to read things on the go. People wonder like sometimes about that. Like, well, who cares if you're smart? Just run your route, catch the ball. You know, look, you get guys that can really side adjust and can see things the same way as a quarterback, it does give you some more opportunity there. You've got two guys who've done a ton of work in the slot with him and JSN.

I think they'll be able to move them around, you know, get at least one of them, obviously, you know, more than one of them. We're not in Canada, but get one of those guys on the move to kind of free them up. No, I like that fit in the middle. They need to get somebody now on the outside, preferably somebody with some real speed. I think they sign MVS, right? Did they sign Valdez Scantling? Yeah.

So that's, theoretically, that's the compliment you need for those two players. You need somebody that can get over the top outside. And I had them taken, you know, Loveland. So now, you know, if somehow that order work out that way, I mean, you completely overhauled your past catchers if that's what ends up happening. Yes, we talked about that as a possibility. I'm doing too many shows these days. But we didn't know for sure.

You just knew because you knew more than the insiders know. Meanwhile, Ian Rappaport is out there on the ski slopes, and DJ is breaking it down, carrying us. We appreciate everyone tuning in. We will be back next week on 40s and free agents. I will try to carry more of my load here, the share. Let's do it, DJ. How about just some, just a little bit? Just a little effort, that's all.

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