NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 40s and Free Agents: Offseason Approaches for All 14 Playoff Teams

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal and Daniel Jeremiah deliver another edition of "40s and Free Agents" with just two weeks to go until the 2025 NFL Draft. This week, the duo discusses the offseason approach for all 14 playoff teams from last season, starting in the AFC and ending in the NFC. Who will the Steelers draft 21st overall? Will the Rams pursue a quarterback? What pieces are the Commanders missing? All that and more on the latest episode of "40s and Free Agents."NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to 40s and Free Agents. I'm Greg Rosenthal with Daniel Jeremiah, my favorite time of the week. I was on vacation with my family, and my wife wanted to stay a couple extra days. I said, no, I got to get back to DJ. This is where I should be right now. Welcome, DJ. It's good to see you, buddy. I know you enjoyed a little getaway there in the beautiful islands,

but it's nice to have you back because it's getting close. man like you got to lock in let's focus now let's put the put the sun tan lotion off to the side and let's let's dig in and get ready for the draft it is awesome that it's only a couple weeks away now and today we are going to let me carry the load a little bit heavier we're going to talk about the pro side of things what the playoff teams from a year ago have done so far this off season and then looking ahead to the draft kind of what they need to work on so let's just get into it we the producers really trusting us here we we did a exercise like this with 17 teams with the new coaches. We're doing all 14 playoff teams. So we got to keep this thing moving.

I know you're behind schedule already. But we will start with the Chiefs. Okay, the Chiefs in the offseason made a surprising pickup at left tackle, Jalen Moore, after the rumors in reports that they were looking at Ronnie Stanley potentially at left tackle. So when we look at what the Chiefs want to do, I think tackle is still one of their biggest needs. Jalen Moore was a guy for the 49ers who got five starts late last season. But you look at their right tackle. It's Joanne Taylor. I don't know if that's a total great long-term solution.

I could see defensive line outside of Chris Jones and George Karloftus. Still a little thin there. Running back, maybe a sneaky need. Where are you looking where the Chiefs really came up short last season and then what they need to look at this season? Well, a couple things. Number one, yeah, they make the move. They get Jalen Moore.

Jailen Moore's 12 career starts. So I'm not putting all my eggs in that bass. and as full as the trophy case is in Kansas City, they'd have two more trophies in there if they could protect the quarterback. They lost the game against Tampa. They lost the Super Bowl against Philly for the same reason. You need as much insurance as absolutely possible.

So when I looked at them in the draft, and I can look at some of these other positions, but I just came down to Josh Simmons from Ohio State or Josh Connerley from Oregon, one of you guys is going to be picked 31st by the Kansas City Chiefs. I just can't see them going in any other direction. So that's why to me that they're one of the teams, I don't want to say the most glaring need

because they have guys to occupy those positions, but it seems like the direction's pretty obvious of where they're going to go. Yeah, I hear you, and yet I look at all the teams, and we're going to talk about them today at the end of the first round, and so many need offensive linemen, whether it's interior, whether it's tackles. And I look at Simmons, who has a really high ceiling,

maybe the highest of any of these. He's a really talented guy. And then I look at Connerly, who, right, who people I trust. He's some team's favorites, I would say, out there or close to it. And I do wonder if it even gets there. And if those guys are off the board, you know, where do they look? It could be a defensive lineman, I think, or maybe running back. Maybe not that early in the draft for the Chiefs, but I could see them going running back

at some point in the first three or four rounds. No, I just look at it too. They're kind of sneaky bat on third down last year on defense. So again, more guys. who can rush in the AFC knowing who you got to go through. Obviously, they're at the top of the mountain, but everybody else you got to go through there. You've got to get to the quarterback

because of all the talent of the position. So I would look defensive line if they did not go there. Yeah, I do have to correct you. They'd actually have three more rings if their defense could get a stop off of Tom Brady and Rob Rancowski in that 2018 AFC championship. People still dog the Patriots for not scoring in that Super Bowl. How about when they're going up and down the field

Love the Chiefs. No, fair, fair point. Let's go to the bills. This is an ideal situation, I think, for the bills. If you look at what got in their way last year, I mean, in the playoffs, it might have been offensive explosion, but I look at their team. I see a lot of very good positions on their roster, not a lot of great. So they could go anywhere.

If I was looking at one particular need, it's probably the cornerback position opposite Christian Benford, who they just locked up. Where do you think they look in the first round? Yeah, I think that's an option. I just look at them. To me, they're an intriguing team because they have the two second round picks. And this is a kind of a, the sweet spot to me of this draft is like the early part of the second round. So yes, they have two second round picks, but they're both towards the bottom of the round.

They're 56 and 62. So when I was looking at them and looking at what direction they could go, I was looking along the defensive line. And to me, like Derek Harmon, Walter Nolan, one of those guys, if they happen to be there as a defensive tackle at pick number three, 30, add them to the mix. They've got those, you know, they got two talented defensive lines suspended the first six games. So, man, that helps offset that right away. And if you wanted to come up for another edge, I know they went out and got Joey Bosa,

but you can't count on the fact that Joey's going to be able to run out there 17 weeks. I wouldn't mind, Greg, if they use those two second round picks, a combination of one of those picks and something else, and came back up to the top of the second round, because I think that's where you're going to see that little sweet spot of edge rushers, whether that's J.T. Tuamalao from Ohio State, whether that's Nick Scorton from Texas A&M, Lannon Jackson from Arkansas. I think all those names are kind of top of the second round.

And if they just sit and wait to where they're picking in round two, I think they miss out on a good bunch of those guys. Yeah, they have a pretty good edge group. But Joey Bosa, you don't know what you're going to get out of him. That's a one-year deal. You mentioned the suspension. So they sign Larry Ogenjobie, who's defensive tackle. He's suspended.

Michael Hoy, who will play some. edge, he's suspended. AJ Epinessa, he's in a contract year. So a lot of these players that their county on aren't necessarily on the roster for 2026. I hear you there. And the cornerback need reminds me a little bit of a few years back where they really needed cornerbacks going into the draft. They take Kair Elam. That did not work out in the first round. He's no longer even on the roster. But they double up and they took Benford on day three and that ended up working out. So I do think they will get cornerbacks at some point in this draft. Let's move on to the team you used to root for.

and work for the Baltimore. You really root for them when you work for them, trust me. I mean, you're probably still rooting for them. You got buddies there. You always have a good line into the Ravens. And they do this thing in free agency every year. They love compensatory picks more than any team that's ever been. And because of that, they don't do a lot in free agency.

DeAndre Hopkins comes in, Chidobie, Uziade, kind of these typical, just take a shot on some veteran guys that aren't going to hurt your compensatory pick formula. but they really haven't done much in free agency. Where do you look first on a team that doesn't have huge needs, but definitely I think on the defensive side has some places to shore up. Yeah, you hit it. Defensive side of the ball, the 31st and past defense, 25th in pressure rate.

So you like to see them juice that up a little bit. They've got bodies, they've got names. You saw Oway take a step forward last year. Obviously, Matabike is an elite elite player. But I think continue to add to that front. Nick Scorton's a name of a guy who, kind of fits that rugged style that they play. Or if they wanted another fastball,

if you want to go out there and put two fastballs out there with Oway on one side, James Pierce on the other, James Pierce out of Tennessee, that could make some sense. The other name I wrote down was Ben Morrison is a corner out of Notre Dame who the Ravens are really good at finding value. And if he had had a healthy season, he had a hip, so he only played a few games.

But if he had had a healthy run through the process, I think he would have been a lock as a first round pick. So they could afford to do that, pair him up with Wiggins. you've got two young corners and the last little note I wrote down about Baltimore in terms of the draft a Ravens thing to do

like the typical Ravens thing to do is knowing that they have Isaiah likely this is the total they will trade Mark Andrews like it makes all the sense in the world in a deep tight end draft you offload Mark Andrews and then you go pick somebody in the fifth

or six round in a very deep tight end draft likely gets bumped up you get a cheaper option at the position and a mid-round pick I would guess you probably get a three a three or a four for a guy like Mark Andrews. So there's no information from the building that's given me that. That just having known this organization makes all the sense in the world of a typical Ravens move.

Yeah, and early in the off season, there were a lot of questions about whether Andrews could be moved. Eventually, they paid him a roster bonus, which seemed to put him on the roster. But then again, it might help us trade value because now the contract is easier for another team to take on. It's cheaper. Get more value. they have said, yeah, they expect him to be there, but that's kind of because they were in front of microphones again. What else are you going to say?

And you mentioned the edge position. One thing I did want to ask about the Raven specifically, they seem to like to double up at positions. And I did notice O.A is a free agent, I believe, after this year. Kyle Van Nuoy is a free agent. David Ajabo is a free agent. So that's one. They're very good at planning ahead.

Do you think maybe that's a position they could take a couple guys at? Yeah, 100%. Makes all the sense in the world. done it. I remember being there when we took Ben Grubbs and then turned around and took Marshall Yonda a couple rounds later. And then they've done it with the tight ends a zillion times. I think there's three different occasions where they've taken two tight ends in the same draft. And on every occasion, if I'm not mistaken, the second tight end has had a better career than the first tight end. So they're rewarded for doubling down at deep positions. Well, and famously, yeah,

they took a tight end ahead of Lamar Jackson. Hayden Hurst. That worked out pretty pretty well. quietly one thing just to keep an eye on that that slipped through the raiders i don't think a lot of fans no michael pierce retired this offseason a great interior run stopper for them so that could be another position that they look at to find a run stopper let's talk about the texans i i love that they looked at this offensive line and i know laramie tonsill's a talented player but they said almost everyone involved with this group we just need to start over so we need to start over with the coaches we need to start over with the talent they not only trade laramie at left tackle. They trade Kendrick Green. They got rid of Keyon Green. They got rid of all the

greens. And I got to think, even though they brought in a lot of guys, DJ, Cam Robinson is there on a one-year deal, and then just some flyers on guys like Trent Brown, Lake and Tomlinson, Ed Ingram, guys who have played a lot in the NFL. I got to think that's what killed them last year. That's where they'll be looking first this year, too. Yeah, not only were they not good. A lot of it was the same thing. When you watched them, obviously you had the, you know, penalties, Tunsell had a lot of penalties and some other issues as they had a little bit of a revolving door at right tackle. But in getting ready for that playoff game when they played the Chargers, man, they were so bad against games and communicating. So to me, smart, tough, interior offensive linemen make a lot of sense.

Yeah, and they bring in Christian Kirk at wide receiver this offseason, which I think was a good pickup for them. They don't know if they're going to have Tank Dell available. Stefan Diggs, who they were in on that negotiation, but they weren't willing to go. as far as the Patriots where they're a little thin at wide receiver. Do you think, you know, 25, is that a spot where value might meet up with need? Because I do think on defense, other than maybe defensive tackle, they're pretty loaded. I can't see them going defense that early unless it was a defensive tackle. I don't know how you look your quarterback in the eye and not go offensive line with his first pick.

And that's why to me, I just wrote down, Tyler Booker coming out of Alabama, think about Demico Ryan's and his pipeline. and information in Alabama. And when they tell me that he was the caliber of leader and the caliber of work ethic in bringing others along as a guy that the Houston Texans have playing a defensive end for him and that type of guy. And I think it's worked out pretty well for him there. With Will Anderson, this is at Alabama, they tell you,

this is the Will Anderson of offense there at a position of need. I would think if Booker's there, that's a no-doubiter. And then Gray-Zable was the other one out of North Dakota State who has legitimate five-position flex. You can play them all over the place. You know, it's smart, tough. He's not going to have issues with some of those games

that were befuddling to that group last year. Yeah, and I, you know, listen to D'Amico Ryans. I listened to him at the scouting combine and throughout the off-season. He did think that they ultimately were a little too soft in the middle. So he's a defensive guy. If they go defense at any point, I think it'll be defensive tackle.

They brought in Sheldon Rankins this off-season as a free agent. But in terms of like long-term foundation pieces, the rest of the defense is so loaded. That secondary to me is the best in the league, at least in terms of young overall talent. The linebackers are deep. The edges are incredible.

I saw them up close and that was as fast of a defense as I saw all year long. Like they were flying around the field. So I think D'Amico, yeah, you could get a defensive tackle. You know, Walter Nolan kind of fits a Matt Burke style where you want to get up the field and really attack. But Greg, how do you not go offensive line? I mean, you read off some of the names they brought in and guys that have some service time in this league,

but not long-term answers by any stretch. Yeah, and they're hoping the new coaching staff led by the coordinator Nick Cayley can improve things on picking up the stun, stuff like that. And they do have some young players there that they're hoping to develop. But I'm with you. That makes the most sense to me.

And let's flip it to the team that they beat that you were watching in that playoff game. And I went back to this for this exercise a lot. Like, what did what did the coach say right after the season? And I don't know if you remember this. You know, you were probably doing the post game with our friend Matt Money Smith. But Jim Harbaugh is on that post game. And he doesn't want to blame it on Herbert, you know, who I am always defending. And that was a tough game to defend.

Was his worst game of the year? No question in the playoffs. Not what you want to see. But the first thing Jim Harbaugh, said was our guy had no space in the pocket to step up and throw that we were too soft on the interior and when that's the last image that the coach has harbaugh in his head as the season ends i think about that might be the first thing that he is thinking about on draft day do you think like interior line is is still that big of a priority for the chargers i think they'll pick one up

along the way but you know with the the plan to move zion johnson or at least auditioned him at center that you hope gives you a little more firmness there at the center position and then at right guard you go out and get mackay beckton they've addressed it in in their own way there i think andre james was brought in as well so they've got some guys there i think they're already better on paper right now than they were at the end of the year but to me that feels more like you know along the path of the draft they will find an interior offensive lineman i don't feel like it's a necessity right there at the first pick in fact i think that game underscored another issue where

Will Disley was the focal point of the passing attack for a large portion of that game. They've got to get guys who can win one-on-one to compliment Ladd McConkey, who had, I think you had 200 yards or close to 200 yards in that ball game. It was, you know, he is outstanding, but they need to get him a running mate. And that's why I wrote down three names of mismatch

players. Guys, if you want to line up and play man coverage, we need to give Herbert more answers to that test. And Colston Loveland is a name you hear often mentioned with them, not just because of the Michigan connection with Jim Harbaugh. His skill set would be a beautiful compliment to what they have. I'm a Mason Taylor fan out of LSU. I think he's really, really smart. I think he sees the field well as a tight end. He understands how to find space. I think he's quick enough to win. He ran in

the low four-sixes. To me, it'd be a perfect piece in this offense. Maybe it's a little early where they're picking in one. Maybe you trade back just a little bit. You could go in that direction. And the last one I wrote down was Trayvion Henderson as a running back, who not only can get out in the route really catch the ball. Some of these creases, you're going to see creases with Mackay Beckton next to Joe Walt in that offensive line and with Roshan Slater. There's creases that exist. You want somebody who can cash those in with some home runs. They didn't really have that last year. You go out and get Najee Harris. He's not that type of back. So Travion Henderson, pass protect, use them in the route, hit home runs.

That's another one that would make sense. So those are some of the guys I like on the offensive side of the ball. If for some reason they wanted to go the defensive side of the ball, Greg. This is a team last year that was 31st in terms of how often they lined up and played man coverage. This is a zone team. And if you're looking for the best zone corner in this draft, it's Will Johnson from Michigan. Again, the connections of familiarity. If he starts to drop a little bit and drift a little bit as some questions about his speed exist and not having a full healthy process, that would be one of those ones. That wouldn't shock me if the Chargers, hey, he's starting to drop a little bit. We can go up a few spots and get a guy they know.

I love that. And I do like that running back connection that you made, whether it's Trayvion Henderson, who knows that Marry in Hampton, just give our guy Herbo some firepower. Just something here. They need to get faster. Let's wrap up the- They need to get faster on offense. That was my takeaway on the post-game show with the aforementioned Matt Money-Smith.

This team has got to get more dynamic on offense. I will never forget the Sunday night. I'm driving home. I got to be honest. Chargers are playing Sunday night. I want to beat the traffic. I'm going to get out of there. I'm not at the game.

And I'm listening to you and money do a great job. And you're saying at halftime, they got to get Stone Spark more involved in this game because he's the most explosive weapon. And you know what? You called your shot? I don't know if it was your money. What are you called your shot?

I think it was money. And yeah, you've got to get him involved. He could run. But you're not in a great spot. If you're talking at halftime that we've got to get Stone Smart more involved. Yeah, they need to change that conversation. And Stone Smart got a little option. in a free agency. Where do you go? The Jets? He went somewhere.

Yeah, he went to the Jets. I like that pickup for them. Another team that needs a little more like mf on the offensive side is the Pittsburgh Steelers where, look, their biggest issue last season was their quarterback position. And then the defense not really being as good as they expected when it really came down to it at the very end of the season. They haven't addressed quarterback yet. We don't need to go into the Aaron Rogers of it all. It sounds like they feel like he's. he's going to be their guy. I would say, though, beyond the weapons, and we're, we're wondering if George Pickens is going to be on this roster in 2025. I think you could look at that playoff

game and in general the way the season in, and they couldn't really stop the run. Art Rune talked about it a little bit. Again, I go back to the quotes from the people that matter. When your, when your owner's talking about not being able to stop the run, that matter. So to me, I'm thinking either it's an offensive weapon or maybe it's a spot for Kenneth Grant. I'm throwing out names here DJ. What do you think of that? Oh, I hate it when we completely agree on something because I literally in my notes here, I've got nuggets on, you know, the passing yards per game offensively being an obviously issue. We'll see what happens with the quarterback. We assume it's going to be Aaron Rogers as we're recording this. That's not done yet. I do like the offensive line, especially if

they get Fattano back healthy for a whole year. I think they've got a talented young group, kind of an underrated good young offensive line. I think's going to take the next step forward. But this is a team with the 21st pick. I wrote down offensively, Omari and Hampton, they give them some juice and some firepower. In the past, they've had to choose between the quickness of Jalen Warren or the power of Najee Harris.

Now you get to have both in one body here in Omaran Hampton. But the other thing I wrote down, unfortunately, you beat me to the punch. Cam Hayward being 35 years old, Kenneth Grant. There's certain guys that feel like Pittsburgh Steelers. And when I watched Kenneth Grant and looked at this roster, I was like, that one makes a lot of sense. yeah it's funny whatever's old becomes new again in the NFL and for so long

these run stoppers who you would call two down players two gap guys they kind of go out of fashion they start you know falling in the draft and not getting as big contracts and now you got all these defense who want to play light up front and suddenly you need those guys again and man there aren't many like him that are that big that strong it seems like he's going to go high somewhere. They could use some secondary depth, too. The other thing that doesn't make sense to me with the Steelers that I've heard in the draft process is their love of Jalen Milrow.

I like Jalen Milrow a lot. I'm going to be looking forward to who gives him a chance, but they don't have a second round pick that feels like a little bit of a luxury situation. I don't know where they take Jailen Milrow. Even if he falls to them in the third round, you're going to take a developmental quarterback as one of your only two picks the first three rounds out of that? Can I put a little water on that? Can I put a little water on that fire?

So I talk to people throughout this process. A lot of people are in town during pro days and are at different times of the year. And I talked to somebody who happened to be in the restaurant when the Pittsburgh Steelers were having dinner, as it was reported, with Jalen Milro. Only the little tidbit that seemed to be left out was there were like six other Alabama players there

with them eating dinner. So I was like, you know, that's kind of draft season in a nutshell right there. yeah that's that's why i took you know just a few days off here we pre-tape some shows for nfl daily we're doing that but this is the time of year where like visits are being reported as headline news it's like just all right get me to green bay uh let's go to denver my my biggest issue watching them and they were a pretty complete team in terms of i don't think they had major weaknesses they have a nice

looking roster they're feeling themselves more on that in a second but i would say it's just a little more pop on the offense. The offense, to me, Bo Nix symbolizes this offense, a good player, but maybe you need a little more explosive ability around Bo Nix. It's a good, not great offense. So I think they need to go look for some great players on offense wherever they can find them, not on the offensive line where they're looking pretty good overall. I just look at Sean Payton's best teams, and I feel like they're built inside out. We've talked about it over the years, right? you know, hey, strong interior. You want a nice firm pocket for Drew Breeze.

That's where you're going to invest. Then you look at the weapons. The offense, a lot of times running through tight ends, running through big slot receiver with Mike Thomas, running through a guy like Reggie Bush in the backfield as a mismatch player. So finding mismatches with a slot, with a tight end, with a back. So they go out and they spend money on Evan Ingram. I don't know that that takes them out on a guy like Colston Loveland,

who would be that type of player. I would think that would still be very much a possibility. I tweeted this out, Greg, when I'm going through these teams and I'm looking at a guy who could fit and could make a lot of sense, man, Traveon Henderson's name comes up an awful lot of like. You're just trying to envision what people would look like in the offense. And I'm sitting here going, man, for a guy who used to draw plays for Reggie Bush, it would be pretty fun to have a guy like Trayvon Henderson all that he can do. Yeah. And we've talked on this show about what teams do in free agency tells you maybe what they're looking at for the draft. And when Denver essentially decided to pass on running backs in free agents, at least in terms of meaningful ones that you would expect to start, kind of like the Titans, you know, signing Brandon Allen at quarterback. It told me they're probably looking at running back, whether it's pick one or pick two. I think it's going to be early. They're a little on my radar just for like, they're feeling themselves right now. I think they are Super Bowl contenders. When you look at this roster, I'm just curious what you think,

whether they're at that stage. Because on paper, it looks all great. I don't know if they have enough difference-making players. I don't see them in that category. It's harder to me to go from good to a true Super Bowl contender than it is to go what they did, which was from pretty mediocre to good. Yeah, look, the defense is really talented.

They have a lot of good players at all levels of their defense. So I think it's a, you know, it's a team on the defensive side of the ball I could feel pretty good about. And when you have a corner like that, that makes life easy on you. I just, I see this team twice a year and doing the Charger games. I don't know that at the present moment and tell me if you, if you can think of one, I don't know of a guy that you're like, oh, crap, we better slow this guy down offensively. Like who is the one guy that strikes fear in you at that on that team? They got some good players, no question.

But there's nobody that I'm like, man, we better put a game plan together to slow this guy down. Right. It's more about the scheme. It's more about the line put together. I mean, that contract they gave Quinn Miners a year ago at Guard looks like a total bargain. They know how to evaluate. Sean Payton, the thing he does, he builds up those lines. And that's why defensive line is another thing to keep an eye on just because Zach Allen, Jonathan Franklin Myers, Malcolm Roach, all good players for them all have their contracts ending. So when I see a pattern like that on a roster, that that's another position that they could look at. But they're in a good position. We're in a good spot. We actually did that

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And yes, it's Daniel Jeremiah season, the busiest man in show business this time of year. We're putting him to work today. We're going through all the playoff teams from a year ago. We're looking at where they fell short and maybe where they will be looking in the draft. And so we get to the Detroit Lions. And for this exercise, I was like,

well, what got in the way of this team last year? Obviously, it's injuries, number one. but if I had to look at something else, maybe it's pass rush depth. They could go in a lot of directions, DJ. I don't know where you looked right off the top. Yeah, I mean, to me it's just past rush. I mean, this is a team that was 30th

and passing yards per game tied for 23rd in sex. Obviously, Hutchinson injury is a big part of that. It was nice to see the video of him running the other day. He looked pretty good. But I think you still have to bake in some more insurance there. So when I looked at this team, I think edge rusher, I also, you know, I mentioned that the top of the second round is kind of a sweet spot for edge rushers and in a lot of drafts. And especially in this draft, I think there's some good quality players to be found there.

So I just kicked around the idea of, hey, let's see, does a team want to come up? You know, you've got some tackle teams picking behind them. So maybe there's an offensive tackle there that somebody would want to move up for. You also have, you know, we always discuss is there a team coming in to get a quarterback, get extra year on that on that contract. They would be a team to me that would make a team. sense to try and trade back. And when I was looking at guys that fit Landon Jackson's body type, like if you just saw the silhouettes, it would look very similar to Hutchinson. Now, he's not as loose and as bendy and as good of a player as a guy who was, you know, I thought was the best player

in his draft class in Aden Hutchinson. But he kind of cuts that image. He fits that that style of what they look for in edge rushers and plays really, really hard, which I think, you know, Dan Campbell would appreciate. So they were a team that I thought could be a tradeback candidate when I was looking at it that makes a lot of sense also the way you patted yourself on the back there for being so right about aton hudson i saw that that was good no i didn't it was not a pig was this what was he the second pick yeah i mean you just like my first way it was a second pick i mean come on it's not like you knew he was going to be that good all right my hottest lines take is that their offensive line was a like a smidge overrated last year like very good past protecting team but i think

the scheme helps them. They're getting a little older. I think if you have the same offensive line, obviously it's fantastic for continuity's sake. But I wouldn't be surprised if they refresh that offensive line. They think like the Eagles where they want to build up front and maybe not as good, I think up front in terms of the run blocking, the interior, maybe as they were in the past.

So it wouldn't surprise me. You keep mentioning Tyler Booker. They seem like they could be a possible team for him as well. Yeah. I don't think you'll get there. I don't think Tyler Booker makes it to pick number 28. So that could be part of the challenge there. I think maybe Donovan Jackson would be someone that would be more in that range.

They should know them very well in terms of proximity to where they are. And I saw I was at a Michigan Oregon game. I saw Brad Holmes out there as a GM. He gets out, man. He gets out in scouts and doesn't just stay in his comfortable office there. So I know he's been out and seen all these guys. And that wouldn't totally shock me. You know, the elephant in the room with this team,

we're talking about what they did and, you know, we're looking at them in free agency and who they lost, who they brought in and who they could draft. Greg, the coordinators there, that's a big deal, man. Like, that's TBD. You know, you've got, you know, new offensive coordinator, new defensive coordinator and a team that we would probably agree has been one of the best, you know, run, best coach teams in the NFL.

That's a little bit up in the air. Yeah, and as Dan Campbell will say, look, it's guys that have been in the building. Calvin Shepard is their new defensive coordinator. He's been there. They believe in him. They are developing their coaches. He's done a great job building that stuff.

And then John Morton, a little older, the offensive coordinator. But he was there in the building as well as they were building up the lines a couple of years back before he went to the Broncos. So some continuity. I'm with you. He also mentioned wide receivers. It's an expensive position. Is James going to get a long-term deal there that at some point they might look to go back there? Let's go to the Bucks, though.

We've got to keep this thing moving. The buck said publicly, Todd Bowles, that is, that they're not going to pass on offense if it's the right value. That Bowles as a defensive coach knows they have big defensive needs, but he's learned that scoring points will make your defense look a lot better. I feel like that's lip service, and he's saying that because they know they need defense. You never know how the board is going to fall, but it could be a pass rusher. It could be a cornerback. In general, I think the defense hasn't drafted enough. difference makers and they're thin at a couple spots.

Where do you have them looking? So, you know, they had Redick, which I think getting a full off season in there and getting comfortable, that'll help them for a team that was 29th and past defense last year. I wrote down Donovan Isiraku from Boston College as a guy who makes a lot of sense for them who just knows is real polished. By the way, polarizing player, there are some teams that are not as high on him because they don't think he plays with a lot of power. But to me, he knows how to rush.

He knows how to win. He's instinctive. he can finish by all accounts, too, like character, work ethic, all that stuff off the charts. So to me, he felt like just a great fit there for where they're picking at number 19. And I saw this team in person last year, Greg, doing the Charger games and studying them and then seeing them live and in person, this is one of the most physical teams in the NFL. I mean, when you look at what Vita Vaya can do defensively, and that offensive line will mall you, they will beat you up with Wirfs and company.

I just think that is, I don't know if that's talked about. We think about the tough, rugged teams. We think about AFC North and some of those. This Tampa Bay Bucks team can fight with anybody. I mean, they are a physical, physical bunch. Yeah, you just need like, you're absolutely right. Just a little more juice. They drafted Chris Braswell as an edge guy.

You mentioned they brought in Hassan Reddick. So it might not be edge. Yaya Diabia has developed into a good young player. He, Todd Bowles, that is, put his cornerback Jamel Dean on notice publicly saying he's going to have to fight for his spot that he's not really the number one cornerback anymore, which is kind of fighting where it's publicly. So cornerback could be another position.

Jaday Barron, do you think, I don't know if he falls this far, but he'd be an interesting fit. I feel like Todd Bowles would know what to do with him. I would run that one up there. I would have fun with that one. Run it right up there. That would be fun. All right.

The Rams publicly last week at the owner's meetings, rather, had Sean McVeigh saying he hasn't studied quarterbacks very hard, which is interesting. mock draft that I did with Nate Tice, an NFL daily earlier this week. I gave him Shadur Sanders because he fell that far to them in that exercise, but maybe McVeigh is just trying to throw us off the send. Their biggest issue in the playoffs was stopping the run. Now, they signed Puna Ford. I don't know that that means you don't look at that position in the draft. I don't know where you see their biggest need. Yeah, you look at some

of the numbers. I mean, defensively 26th total yards per game, which seems, which kind of stunned me because we know how good that young defensive line is. So obviously you've got some issues that can be addressed. That Bill's game, DJ, that Bill's game where they put up about 700 yards. That hurt the numbers. I looked at the two spots. I looked at the secondary. I looked at Trey Amos as a guy who just kind of felt like their type of player out of Old Miss.

This is a guy who's got really, really good eyes, sees everything well, and then can play off and drive on the football. this is a Rams team that's a cover three quarter quarter half team they're not going to just line up there and go nose to nose and play man coverage and I think that's the only area where a guy like Amos could get exposed a little bit

so to me he just felt like a perfect fit for what they do and how they play defensively and then I also wrote down Josh Connerley I know they paid the left tackle Eric Jackson but I look on the other side and Haventstein's a good player I think he's maybe 32

too, but continuing to add to that offensive line. I think Connerley, if you needed him to, you know, he could move around, but just continue to add quality players along the line of scrimmage is not a bad way to go. Yeah, and you mentioned trading back for the Lions. I feel like the Rams would be another possibility because they don't have a second round pick. They lost it last year in a trade up. You know, and they're loving those defensive linemen that they drafted, but they're missing their second round pick.

And Les Need always says, you know, we have this amount of picks, eight picks right now. But he's always making trades. So it wouldn't surprise me if he traded back. And maybe you take a cornerback then in the second round, because they're a team that's kind of stayed away from cornerbacks. They've gotten cheap. Like they've been going with a Keller-Witherspoon and bringing back Darius Williams,

and they made it work, but maybe they trade back to do that. What do you think? That's possible. The other thing, and I'm not saying this with them in particular, but I would not be surprised if in this draft there's a team that looks at the lack of tackles in this draft and decides, okay, I can maybe upgrade one of my tackles. I can take a player in this draft and guess what?

Now my maybe aging veteran is going to have value on the trade market because at least you have a starting caliber player and other teams are going to miss out on that tackle run. I don't know. It's one of those kind of outside the box things you think about as a team that maybe has a tackle on the wrong side of 30. We can upgrade it. We can get younger.

We can get cheaper and maybe a little bit better. and then also have an asset that we could move and get something for. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I just think the Rams are going to look at this as a as go time. And they're going to try to build for now, but build for the future, but especially for now. Yeah, go time. That's why you had them taken,

that's why you had them taking a quarterback in your mock draft on go time. Is that how you're phrasing that? Well, it just, it was like what we would do. And I just thought at that point in the draft, you know, the value, think about the future, but you're right. Maybe your Stafford would just be elated with that with your selection. It's a good point. The more, the more I thought about it, the less of made sense.

Maybe workshop those things by me. You know, I know you're on vacation, but just shoot me a text, workshop these, these. I wasn't. It was, it was before that. And yeah, Jimmy G is a pretty well-paid backup. They still have Stets and Bennett. Doesn't really make a lot of sense. Wouldn't make a lot of sense if the Vikings took a quarterback either.

They've got their guy for now, for the future, for J.J. McCarty. They have the fewest picks in the draft. Four picks. Four? Yeah, four. That's it. And they knew that. And so they spent huge money on the interior, on the offensive line, and the defensive line.

They brought in that Colts, you know, interior line group on offense. And then they brought a couple big names, Javon Hargrave, Jonathan Allen on defense. And yet I don't necessarily think that stops them from looking at those positions for the future. They're a tough team to come up with the biggest. need. I have my pick, but I'm going to let you go first. What do you got? Well, first of all, $300 million in free agency, just to put a number to how aggressive they were and what they did, knowing that they didn't have draft picks to address things. So they were very aggressive in the offseason on the front end. Now the back end, not as many picks. I just look at Harrison

Smith as a 36-year-old, and I look at versatile athletic safeties can do different things. And there's two of them in this draft that are first-round caliber players. That's Iman Wari from South Carolina who I would love to see in this Brian Flores defense just as a blitzer and how they could incorporate him and use him. I mean, he is a dynamic player at that size, at 220 pounds who can run, make plays on the ball as well as, again, play the run and blitz him in that scheme I thought would just be a lot of fun. And then Malachi Stark's from Georgia, a different safety, more of a high safety. Good play him as a nickel if you wanted to, but to me float over the top, let him arrange and make plays. But those two

safeties to me, I just thought would would make sense with Harrison Smith at 36 years old. Yeah, and they're playing almost positionless football. Harrison Smith and the Vikings had a long conversation about whether he even was going to play this year or not. So it feels like this might be his last season and you got a plan for the future. And if you look at cornerback and I kind of mix them all together with the way they use their nickelback, you know, Mackay Blackman's coming off of an injury. And Brian Flores apparently really targeted Isaiah Rogers from the,

the Charger, I mean, from the Eagles, rather, who was once on the Colts. And so he's probably going to be a good player for them, but you're counting on those two guys to play a lot of snaps. That's a little risky. I like this Vikings team. They're fun. I couldn't believe they're over under as eight and a half wins. Not that you're getting into the over under, but I was like, I do not see this team as less

than the rest of this division, really. I think they're right up there with them. Well, I think that's probably a reflection on what they think of the rest of the division and how stacked it is. So that's part of the calculus. Sure. But they're right. We've got an unknown. We liked what we saw in a very small sample size of J.J. McCarthy, but we don't know.

That's fair. The Packers were obviously right there with the Vikings last year. Defensively, they just feel like they need more juice at a number of positions. I feel like we could just say this every year at draft time. Brian Gutikunz has done a great job overall, and yet he has taken a lot. lot of swings on the defensive side of the ball. And I still don't feel like they have their total core pieces at a number of positions. So I'm curious where you think they would target first out of the defensive side. They just have a pattern. They love, you know, athletic and,

you know, front seven SEC players. So I just wrote down Walter Nolan. I'm like, just throw them into that mix of all those guys. You know, you got a bunch of really athletic, explosive players in that front seven now. You like to see it all come together. Edron Cooper, by the way, is going to be awesome. So they've got a lot of talent there. It hasn't all kind of bubbled up to the surface yet, but I think they just continue to throw more guys into the mix. So that's

the direction I wouldn't sleep on a corner there either, but where they're picking kind of the 23rd pick, they miss kind of the early wave of the top two guys and then it's kind of in that in-between spot of where you go there. Max Hirsten, you know, could make some sense, the corner out of Kentucky

who can really, really run. Again, just find a real athletic, tratesy SEC defensive player and throw them in there. Right. And they did address cornerback somewhat in the offseason

with Nate Hobbs, who they're saying they could play them on the outside. They don't see him as just an inside player. We don't know if Jaya Alexander could be moved on draft day. It wouldn't be a total surprise if he ends up going for like a day three pick. In that game in the playoffs

that they lost to the Eagles, they're their interior offensive line got, caved in, so they signed Aaron Banks, but I still think those could both be positions that they go for. Yeah, and in the pass rush, like, they've invested a lot, DJ. They need Lucas. And they didn't get a ton of production last year.

Go on, yeah. No, again, that's what I'm saying. The talent hasn't, the performance hasn't married the talent. There is talent. I do believe that this is a talented group, but they just haven't got that production and performance out of it yet. Yeah, and they were better last year after the change in defensive coordinator,

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You made it all the way to the NFC championship game without really having your defense be good all season. It was an offense first team, and the defense was just hanging on and trying to make opportunistic plays. And so as big a need as I think any team we've talked about today is their edge position, where Doran's Armstrong is their number one edge.

I don't even know who you would put, as they're number two. But to me, that's probably their biggest need. Is there a guy you think fits there at edge? I'm going to put you on the spot. Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely some guys there. Nick Scorton is the name that I,

that I jotted down with that 29th overall pick that I thought, you know, he's kind of climbed up into that realm, which I should explain, by the way. Nick Scorton is like one of those fascinating stories where I watched him on the tape this fall. I did not love him. He was just outside my top 50.

I ended up, he's like, 49, 48, 49, somewhere in that range. And you kind of, you're gathering information as you go through the process. Well, I see him at the pro day and saw a picture of him. And I was like, holy crud, like, he looked, he looked really good. Like, just not only, you know, the way he moved around and you hear about that, but just body type wise. Then you find out, he played like 280. They built, they wanted to really kind of bulk him up at A&M.

And he's at his pro day at 257. This guy's like a totally, it looks like a totally different human being. So then you talk to teams and D-Line coaches and they're like, well, go back and watch him at Purdue before he transferred. He was a different body type there. He moved around better. So you go through the whole process. I'm like, okay, now this kind of makes sense of why you're hearing him get some of this attention and this buzz.

You know, he's literally a different human being than the one that I watched in the fall. So long story short, Nick Scorton to me would make some sense there. But I wanted to on this team, Greg, go back to what you said a few episodes ago, I want to say, which is this Washington team's done all these one-year deals. So I got me thinking as I was getting ready for this I'm like okay why are they why are they doing that what's going on let me just read off the names of the first round picks they had before Adam Peters and Dan Quinn showed up

in 2020 it was Chase Young who's been a good player obviously just got paid no longer there Jamin Davis linebacker Jahan Dotson receiver Emmanuel Forbes Corner the reason they're going out and sign all these guys because they had literally they inherited like a blank roster like they had to just overhaul the entire thing And in order to make it all work, just get a bunch of these veterans, put them in these short-term deals. I think, you know, everybody wants to play the comp-pick game.

You got to be patient with Washington because they have to build up their core. They don't have their, that's amazing. They went to the championship game last year, and they don't even really have, like, a core. Like, they're still building the core part of this thing. That's how good the quarterback is, by the way. Right. It was like the quarterback and the marriage of him in the scheme and having a true number one receiver in Terry McLaren, But after that, like the offense needed more pop.

They bring in Debo Samuel. We'll see how that works out. Laramie Tunsell is obviously a multi-year solution at left tackle and an upgrade. And so it's not like they're totally done on defense, but then, I mean on offense rather, but I do look at the defense, whether it's getting younger at linebacker. They bring in Jonathan Jones, a former Patriot, to place them at cornerback. But you're kind of old there in the secondary with him and Marshawn Latimore, getting so many snaps.

So you could absolutely add another cornerback. to me it's it's pretty wide open i i just hope commanders fans need to have like a reasonable expectations of where this team goes from there like just just be happy you've got jaden daniels yeah they're they're going to be long term bet on this team long term but they still they're still building like this is this is going to be a process and maybe a little bit ahead of schedule i to me i looked at two players that i love for them on the offensive side of the ball surprise surprise travion henderson the fact that i've mentioned him with darn near all these playoff teams i'm convinced the fact this guy's going to go much higher than you think because he just complements so many

of these rosters but he would be a great fit there. Think of like a young, you know, fresh-legged Austin Echler what he was with the Chargers. You get some of that there with Trayvon Henderson. And then the other name that I wrote down was, okay, think about how they use Ertz and what Ertz has done and bend that security blanket there for Jaden Daniels. Now Ertz is not young. You know, how much longer is he going to play? Mason Taylor, to me, his comp was Zach Ertz, someone who's smart, dependable. You've got to throw all those little underneath routes that he likes to throw all those RPO's and different things.

Mason Taylor will catch a zillion balls and play with Jaden Daniels for a long time. By the way, where did Mason Taylor go to college, Greg? There you go, LSU. Yeah, where did Jaden Daniels go to college? Okay, okay. So now I'm hearing this twice where you're throwing out Mason Taylor as a possible

first round pick. That's something you see as a possibility now. I love him. He's going to be one of my. my top 32 players so people always ask me which I always laugh on people say okay a first round pick or a second round pick oh he's a first I have him as a first round guy well he's your 45th player so no you can't yet there's literally a numbers to this thing there's only 32 slots in the first round so if you say he's you think he's a first round player in this draft needs to be

within those top 32 picks which he will be when my final list comes out one just quick one because it popped in my head as you're talking about nick scorton who I haven't heard a lot about Would you rather have him or Shamar Stewart if we're talking about A&M guys? Shemar Stewart was, to me, the tape was more impressive with Shemar Stewart, just to, you know, how explosive and dynamic he was. Scorton obviously has a history of production that Shemar Stewart does not possess. So the greater conversation is probably 23 Scorton versus 24, Shemar Stewart. But I have Stewart over him.

Okay. I want to wrap up with another team near and dear to your heart, another former employer of yours before, you know, they let us get a hold of you at NFL network. It's the Eagles. And we could look at, like, what's their needs? Obviously, they didn't have anything that got in their way. They steamrolled to that title, those last two games. On paper, their safety nickel spot maybe has an opening.

They're probably promoting Sidney Brown to one of the starting jobs, but you lost a couple guys. He traded away Chauncey Gardner Johnson this offseason. And yet, that's not really where I see them investing premium draft. half resources necessarily, you would think they're just going to look at offensive line, defensive line, and start replenishing for the future. What do you think? I just, I don't know this to be true, but I just imagine that what happens is how he just calls the, you know, offensive line coaches, defensive line coaches. He sits at like a table with a robe on and just says, make your case. I'm going to take either an offensive lineman or defensive lineman, you tell me why you love your guys.

You tell me why you love your guys. And then I'll decide between the two. who our pick's going to be. To me, I looked at it and like an institution for this team for the last decade plus has been Brandon Graham. And I know a majority of the season last year, you know, famously came back

and played in the Super Bowl and kind of fought through it. But I was looking at this team and, okay, who is that type of a player? And Scorton's name is another one that came up again in this spot. And then JT. Toemala. You know, that maybe is a little early at 32.

Again, could be a team. I think Howie would gladly take a phone call once, you know, just slide back a few spots. But those guys were Brandon Graham types in terms of the rugged nature in which they play off the edge to, you know, to really compliment. And I'm telling you, Nolan Smith's going to be a star. We saw that in the postseason. He's just getting going and still developing and still improving.

But I'm really excited for his future. And I just think they look for somebody along that defensive front to play along with them. Yeah, you lose Joshua and Milton Williams in free agency. You actually could look at edge. I know Milton Williams is on the interior, but you could look at Edge as a need or defensive tackle, and they're a team that thinks long-term. They're able to take a guy like Nolan Smith

and almost give him a redshirt year where he wasn't quite ready to have a big role as a rookie, and then he comes on as a second-year player, and he's just incredible. That's why they're the champs and they're contending year after year. We did it, DJ. We got through all 14 playoff contenders,

and we solved all their problems. You're ready to go. this is fun this is to be honest with you look I love doing the show but this is really helpful for me just in draft preparation because talk about the players and then you then we you know we have some discussions about free agency and the teams this is the first time as we're getting you know within a couple weeks here getting locked in of being like okay this this is a direction I can definitely see this team going what's their type of player they historically look at it's fun to start you know putting the puzzle together it is that time of year and And we're just getting cranked up. Only a few episodes left until the NFL draft. We have a special guest, Mina Kimes, joining us next week on 40s in Freedans from ESPN. She's going to class up the joint. We will see you next time.

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