NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 47 Scouting Combine Takeaways, Plus Raiders GM John Spytek and Jaguars GM James Gladstone Join the Show!

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic LIVE from Indianapolis for the NFL Scouting Combine where they give you 47 takeaways from the day. They discuss Travis Kelce coming back for another season (04:25), Kirk Cousins' future with the Falcons (06:40), Joe Schoen's plan at quarterback for the Giants (12:55), Aaron Glenn's beef with the coverage around Aaron Rodgers (31:11), the Bills giving Kahlil Shakir a new contract and James Cook wanting one of his own (38:00), the Browns putting their foot down on a Myles Garrett trade (43:25), the Titans' plan for the Draft (51:50), and more! Plus, new Raiders General Manager John Spytek (01:07:17) and new Jaguars General Manager James Gladstone (01:16:46) join the show.  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because you're friends with all of them, Jordan Rodriguez of the Athletic. That was so nice. You know what I did appreciate, Greg? And it's great to be here with you. One general manager that we will get to in a moment actually had as good of a jacket game as you did. Oh, you're talking about James Gladstone.

Sure am. Let's talk about it. I was able to meet this young man. You knew him already. He's going to be on the show. He's a young man. I mean, he is a young man to me. He's much younger than me.

Yes, he is. And he looks young even for his age. How did we describe him? Kind of like a beachy vibe, but with a little Patrick Bateman, you know, mixed in their. That's a compliment. In a good way, because I think that a lot of people start to learn about James. He's a bit of a killer. Okay, so James Gladstone is the new general manager of the Jaguars. He's joining the show today.

John Spitech, the new general manager of the Raiders, talked about the quarterback situation there, talked about how my friend, my personal trainer, wants it fixed. And so those are two interviews we're going to get to later in the show. We tape some other interviews as well that we're going to be playing throughout the week. I'm really excited for everyone to listen to that. But I want to work backwards here. started today's show. And this is the day just to set the scene. Tuesday at the NFL scouting combine now has evolved into the day where most general managers and coaches speak. Yes. There's still a couple stragglers who are going up late even as we're taping. But we got to do a show. About 45 of them spoke on Tuesday. A handful will speak on Wednesday as well. So this show is

partly going to be about what we learned from all the press conferences. And I decided, before the day even started, I just wrote a number. The show is going to be called 47 things we learned from these press conferences and then work backwards from there. So we just tried to learn 47 things and then we stopped learning. 13 more digits than James Gladstone has years. There you go. And it worked. It blows my freaking mind. It was kind of amazing. We almost naturally right got it down to 47. I had to make some editing choices. Yeah, we were honking in the Google Doc. It was basically right there.

And I love this week. Look, I got to see one of the greatest of all time, Nikola Yokic have his career high and assist. Second most ever for a center last night at the Pacers game. You just walk like three blocks away. There's great NBA basketball for shockingly cheap prices. And then on my way home, Drew Rosenhouse, the super agent, just stops me.

And I got both earbuds in. and my head down and a hat. Was it your famous hat? No. Greg has a hat that makes him look really famous. No. And he was Greg, Greg. And he's like, hey, great job with your 101.

You keep at it. Like, you really know your stuff. I was like, wow. Thank you, Drew Rosenhouse, Super Agent. Did you say, thank you, Drew Rosenhaus, comma, super agent? I wish I had. I wish you would have. I think he would have loved that.

I was so taken aback and was in the middle of like my Celtics podcast that I'm listening to that I was like, Oh, thank you, thank you. And then I wish, you know, you think of what you should have said after the fact. I would have to hear among his climate, who did he think was too low? Because usually they're complaining about, oh, you didn't have him too high, too low. I would have liked to hear his opinion. But, you know. I got to tell you, though, he was clearly, it was a drive-by compliment,

which means he was certainly not looking to engage in a deep conversation. No, no. So I actually think it went perfectly because you really could have kept him lingering there, like, way longer than he planned. And then he'd be like, I'm not going to compliment that guy next time. I'm just going to talk to me all day. Come on. Maybe he wanted to talk. Yeah, that was wild.

I shouldn't have been surprised. I ran into someone. It was outside of St. Elmo's, the famous steakhouse. I mean, if you've been to Indianapolis for the Combine ones, you've heard these stories before, and there is something pleasingly familiar about it all, including all these press conferences. Let's get to it. Number one on our list of 47 things we learned. I do think it was ultimately the most significant news of the day.

Travis Kelsey is expected to return to the Kansas City Chiefs for the 2025 season. Brett Veach first broke the news at the podium. Surprising. You don't usually get big news at the podium. He then later was on NFL Network. Let's take a listen. This is him with Tom Pelliserra. It seems like we're going to get good news on Travis Kelsey.

Can we turn off the Twitter alerts? Can we put it to bed? Is he definitely playing in 2025? I think so. I mean, there's been a lot of the, you know, timeline and deadlines. And, you know, that's something that we, as an organization, haven't discussed. And we anticipate Travis being back. And if something changes, I'm sure NFL network will be the first to break it, right?

We would hope so. You can help with that if you want. No, I think, you know, we're excited to have Travis back, and that's how we're operating this offseason and kind of go from there. Okay, so I'm surprised. I didn't think we were going to get to watch Travis Kelsey play football again. It's interesting, I think, from a. Brett Veach perspective, because that's $17 million less than cap space you have to work with.

They obviously want Travis Kelsey back, but there would have been positives and negatives to both sides. I'm just saying. I feel like he's made them a lot of money, actually, recently. So I feel like in a roundabout way, he has helped make them a lot of money recently. So I feel like that's a small potatoes thing for the GM to be worried about. They can manage it. They'll be fine. The thing that's interesting, you talk to players about this near the end of their

career. And then those who ponder potential retirement or even taking a break or taking a longer runway to think about things. It was a quick decision because there was a deadline on it. But it also is interesting, he didn't go out. If he went out this year, it would have been, I think, a sour taste in his mouth because of the way he finished the season, because of the way the chiefs finished the season. You rarely get the shiny fairy tale ending. But I kind of think this man does believe in fairy tales. I mean, look at his life. That is absolutely. true. This is a man who just expects great things to happen. Manifests incredible things. He's made it all happen. Yeah, sometimes it's not a fairy tale ending. We'll have more on

another tight end in just a little bit. Number two on our list. We got to, you know, we're going to roll. We got to crank today. Terry Fontno is at the podium and quickly and aggressively said that their plan remains the same. Michael Pennix is their starting quarter. Kirk Cousins is their backup quarterback and Kirk Cousins is going to remain with the Falcons for the foreseeable future. Do you buy it? I buy it. I'm not surprised. I was texting

with someone over there the other day about Michael Pennix and just the glowy nature of the conversation and the way that he throws the ball, the way that they see him throw the ball in the reps that we don't see on the outside. In practice, he obviously popped. I'm not surprised when he did get playing time. I am not surprised by this.

But do you buy that Kirk Cousins is going to be on the table? team. I don't. Oh, that part? No, I don't buy, I don't buy that part. I just was surprised Fottano came out so strongly. The Pennix thing is, that's real love right there. But the rest of it, I mean, I don't know. I think that's what you say when you're trying to drive up a trade price. I agree. This is line season in the NFL. Really, the... I would never lie to you, Greg. It's regular season, but the draft in general, especially pre-free agency is drive, you know, line season. Fottano also said he was totally surprised that Kirk Cousins had a injury. The first he learned of it, he indicated, was when Kirk Cousins talked to the media. So

it does feel like they're covering themselves. I do love that. It's like, it's a way of saying there's no, there's no way, because of course I would know about this. So there's no way that was anything other than hedging. If anything, that's kind of making his guy, Kirk Cousins looks bad. I still believe strongly that he will be traded. And I think what that statement is to the rest of the league. We are not cutting him. You have to give us something. And if the best we can do for Kirk Cousins is that we're going to pay part of his salary and get a fifth round pick, then that's better than nothing. And that's what we're aiming for. Maybe he's aiming for higher. We'll see. I do not buy that one. All right, points three through six. We're from Omar Khan,

the Steelers GM. He has said, ownership said it, and now he said it. They were happy with Russ and Fields and they specifically say they've talked to both representatives and they want either one to come back. Very unique. I don't remember a free agency quarterback situation quite like that where they're openly saying we don't want both of them back. We do want one of them back and he's almost, you know, leveraging the agent. You guys pick. That's basically what it is. It's like, You guys pick about who's going to take less money? You guys pick who's going to, yeah, who's taking this job? And I just, it's fascinating to me.

They must have a favorite though, right? They have to. It is lying season. They did play Russell Wilson most of the years. You would think that would be him, but long term, Fields makes more sense. It is interesting. It's, to me, very overt way to drive the ultimate price down. But I do think it's funny where he's basically like, decide amongst yourselves.

I know. And they... It's like so funny to me. He also like a lot of the GMs that spoke today. Look, they want multiple ways to attack the position. I think they'll draft someone, too, whether it's early or not. We'll see. I said points three through six.

He said a few things. They want to get a deal done with T.J. Watt. He's not going to be a guy that's on the trade block. He was pretty strong saying, we want Pickens, we want George Pickens to be great. We want him to be great here. Yeah. We expect him to be here. My friend Bill Barnwell threw him out as a potential trade candidate.

I actually do kind of believe Connwell. here because I don't think the market would be worth getting rid of a guy that's that talented. And then he also used the term fake news in answer to a question about Matthew Stafford. We could have a little bit of your Stafford Intel at this point. Why not? Yeah. I mean, those front offices, both of them have a great relationship and they are in near constant communication throughout the course of the year. And obviously you can't be right now. but during the season, they were on the phone with the Steelers talking about what it would look like for a Cooper Cup situation.

Interesting. So I have to imagine other people came up at that time as well. But it is interesting. Like, I just think, Matthew Statt, he's a bullet point, so we're not going to get to it quite yet. But he's going to come up on a few teams that you have listed here. Give it to me. Give it to me now. It's just, it's been so fluid.

So I reported earlier this week that, you know, the Rams gave his agent Jimmy Sexton permission to talk to other teams about his contract terms. Obviously, that serves a lot of purposes. That is a fact check, is his market really what he thinks it is, and the agent thinks it is, or is it more aligned to what the Rams think it is, which is lower, because there is a discrepancy between the two numbers.

It's this multiple truth situation that something has to give where they, I fully believe, that both sides want to get a deal done. I don't know that it will get done. Right. We talked with Tom Pelliserra, really at length about this on Monday show, losing track of the days that happens in Indianapolis. And he talked about there's only a couple places that really are fit. And what I picked up from Omar Khan, the way he said fake news, that really was an answer to me. And what Tom, who's connected, I don't know if the Steelers are a fit for Matthew Stafford. To me, that's a team. I'm not

going to cross off, but I would be very surprised. I do think, especially with Pickens, the conversation about Pickens and wanting to develop and mature a little bit, I do think Cooper Cup might be in the conversation. Yes, I think that could make sense. They are a team that makes a lot of sense. And Kahn did say they need to improve their wide receiver position. He also said he would do the Mike Williams and Preston Smith trades again. He doesn't regret them.

Well, you should. Is that fake news maybe? Yeah. I would call. Mike Williams, he won a game and he was worth a shot. And actually, for the right price, maybe he might even return them. They did get them one more game than the other would have, otherwise would have had. You literally just cut and you gave up some, you didn't give them much for him.

So I guess maybe he was saying it was worth a shot. Didn't work out. All right, points seven through 10 are all by our guy. Joe Shane. Joe Shane. He needs a quarterback in both the draft and free agency. He pointed out multiple times. Our only quarterback is Tommy DeVito.

We need to attack this in multiple ways. And he deferred to the Rams when asked specifically about Matthew Stafford. But in the side session with beat reporters, they're reporting from that was he mentioned multiple times, like, we're going to be aggressive. And again, we're back to our guy. Yes. And my God, here we are. Back again, just like the Rams and Matthew Stafford as they were last year.

Yeah, I do think that there are a couple of teams that will emerge as, possible fits. And I think that the Giants are going to be one of them. And I also think that the Raiders are potentially one of them. Those are the two ones that make the most sense. And the thing with Dable and Shane right now, for me, my, this is just conjecture for me, just educated, like, looking at things. I think he wants a chance to show his work. I think he wants a chance to really show this is the kind of coach I am capable of. This is the kind of schemer that I'm capable of being. This is what I can really do. When you have a quarterback of that caliber and your job is in danger. It's not just about

winning games and trying to go make an aggressive move to A, save both jobs, and B, try to really go for it. But also, I think he wants to show his work. I think that there's a lot of conversations about sort of a backslide with Brian Dable

and I think he's a good coach and I think he's a smart offensive coach for sure. I think he wants to show it. Yeah, and Stafford would give him that chance in the same way that he did for McVeigh a few years ago. Joe Shane was asked, though, what matters most to him in a quarterback? Mentioned how his son is playing quarterback right now. And he said, I'll tell you the same thing that I tell my son, the two things that matter the most, completions and wins. Oh, no. We're

getting, we're moving backwards as a community if he thinks wins are a quarterback's stat. I mean, I get it. He's running a team. I guess explaining it to you. It's not that it doesn't mean anything, but he said completions and wins. And the more that you hear from Joe Shane, the more he just seems like the guy that you saw on Hard Knocks. Here is Joe Shane being asked by your colleague, Kaelin Kaler. Oh, the King of the Combine is here. Ian Rappaport walks in.

Ian, do you want to weigh in on literally anything? It's an audio medium, so that didn't work. Your little stop bite. Also, I was just throwing to sound. So you're kind of, yeah, it'll be. on air? There too. Greg likes to continue to pretend that we're not on air. It makes him feel safer. My point is no one can hear you if you're not near a microphone. Do you want my mic? I'd be honored. No.

Ian Rappapur, off into the night. Let's listen to Joe Shane. He was asked about his experience on hard knocks. If anyone from other teams have asked him, you know, how it was. Have any general manager called you to ask about what your experience was like last year? And so what have you told them? No, I haven't gotten any calls. I think I know what I would tell. And, you know, I like that Joe Shane can laugh about it. I think he knows that that program did not reflect well at him.

Neither does his record, frankly. You know what? It was a topic of conversation among executives across the league when it came out. Like, I got a couple texts being like, what did you think, honest opinion, from people around the league who were wondering, because they're going to be the ones deciding whether or not they're going to be in this dang. show and oh man like they were critical they were like there's no there there with that yeah with that front office and that's got to be hard to hear even third hand so joe Shane and i yeah i don't think the hard knocks thing is happening for any other teams out there let's go to those were

you know points seven through 11 if you were really we're actually making pretty good time i think Liam Cohen i just want to mention he's back and uh he is swaying just as much i don't know if you clock this at the podium. The Duval. He didn't do that, but he was moving side to side the whole time, but seemed much more relaxed. So sometimes that first press conference is one thing, but then you see him, he's filling in who he is as a coach, and I like it, a little different vibe. And I do like that he said that their passing game will go through Brian Thomas Jr. Smart, very smart, just good coaching right there. Good thinking, good plan. Brian Thomas Jr. rocks. He's a guy who rules.

A guy who was that good as a rookie, could have been rookie of the year. Yes. It was a different year and is only going to get better. I think it was kind of raw coming in in terms of his route running, so I think he's going to improve. I love how strong he was. Of course, they also really spoke highly, he spoke highly of Trevor Lawrence and all the ways that they're going to improve.

We talked to James Gladstone a little bit coming up. So you'll hear that. That's the new Jaguars general manager. We also spoke with Dave. Canales. We're going to hold that interview because maybe you guys can tell me differently. I don't feel like shotgunning, like five straight interviews is what the listeners need. So we're going to spread out the good stuff. And I really liked getting a feel of who Canales was as a person. But our 13th point here is just some factual stuff on

their wide receivers. He said, Xavier Legat, their first round pick, undergoing foot surgery. They're expecting he'll be back for training camp, maybe even some of the offseason. And he seemed in, to me, I tried to ask him if they're bringing Adam Thielen back. That was maybe, of course, he would want Adam Thielen back. He almost seemed like it was up to Adam Thielen whether he wants to return. Because I was curious if they would bring back that same wide receiver core. Yeah, I think they need to continue to add there, via the draft specifically.

And I don't know, to me, it sounded almost like bring another case of, okay, we've been talking about this with Dan Morgan. the GM with ownership. Okay, bring the price down a little bit. Bring the price down a little bit. And maybe he's back. I hope he's back. He's a great player. And I loved what Canal said about that wide receiver room and just competition in general.

That he wants to throw more talent in that mix. That is in create some chaos and create. You know what? Okay, so he's very buttoned up, right? Like he's very polished and all that. Like lots of media training and all of that. He almost cursed on, on our show, in the best way. Like, he said, he almost said, F some shit up.

Yeah. And I think that that was, I was like, okay, that is, that is the real. Like, we were asking him what his meetings are like and all of that. That's the real. That was the real one right there. And that's a, it's a great point. And, uh, looking forward to hearing them later. But my takeaway from that, too, with the wide receiver group,

reading between the line, it's like they have three threes right now. Yeah. And so they need to get more talented there, even though defense is probably their main focus. All right, number 14, and look, that's like an original reporting we're doing here. This isn't all just aggregating. That was our interview that we're crediting, but 14 is aggregating. This is a report. I couldn't believe when I saw it.

I thought you were lying to me when you said it. I thought you were kidding. Cecil Lamie, who used to be at football guys, been around a long time, really respect him. He had some sources and some reporting that Rob Grunkowski is training. with the plan to return to play football in 2025. I would guess that's not something where a signing is going to come early in the offseason, but he did mention,

and it's a Broncos reporter mentioning it's that, you know, Gronkin and Sean Payton got to know each other a little bit on the Fox set, and that might be a fit. I could kind of see that. And so we might have to restart that Canton clock for Rob Gunkowski. I could just picture how that conversation went.

they're like in the green room, like having a coffee together or something like that. And it's like, yeah, bro, I could totally still go. I could totally still go. Watch. I'll train and I'll show you. Watch. I could totally. And Sean Payton going, all right, bet.

Like, let's see it. Yeah. Sean Payton. He'll get a workout at least. Who finds a brighter hoodie to wear each and every year. Love that man. Had a great joke today. He's not in the show, but he had a great joke.

You know, he was thanking Pete Carroll for keeping him the youngest coach in the AFC West or making him the youngest coach in the AFC West. And you know what's kind of sneaky about Rob Winkowski? Not that old. His body took a lot of beatings, but he will be turning 36 in May. How's the liver? That's a question that needs to be asked. But he's much younger than Mercedes-Lewis, who is still going.

Still going. Yes. That was a surprising report. All right. Change your gears. We'll get serious here for a second. Let's listen to Eric Dacosta, the general manager. of the Baltimore Ravens. Now, the Ravens had released a few statements about the allegations

against Justin Tucker and the multiple many, many women, now over 10 that have alleged sexual assault, misconduct, and the Ravens hadn't addressed it publicly until Tuesday. Let's listen to Eric DeCosta, their general manager at the podium. well i think a lot goes into that first of all good question appreciate the question uh the allegations are serious concerning uh the amount of allegations are serious and concerning i think we're fortunate that the league is doing an investigation uh we'll wait as patiently as we can for as much information as we can and we'll make a decisions based on that yeah i think the tone that de costa brought there and then later that john harbaugh all

also brought, made me think, this is just a matter of time. The allegations and investigating all that is much more important than, like, his status with the Ravens or what happens next with Justin Tucker. But John Harbaugh also said, kicker would have been a position we were, we would have been looking at heavily anyways, even putting this aside. So we are looking heavily at that position. And just from a football perspective, my takeaway was, I'd be stunned if Justin Tucker is ever, you know, in a Ravens uniform again. Or an NFL uniform.

Yeah. And the NFL is investigating that. And we'll see if he gets an official suspension. They also did speak more about just like football matters. And so this is points 15 through 17, by the way. That was 15. I was surprised how optimistic DeCosta was about getting a deal done with Ronnie Stanley. He said it in a way that I've been to enough of these, that I don't think it was just GM speak.

It actually sounded like, oh, we've made some real progress, and I think this is going to happen. Well, Ronnie Stanley has been very open about the fact that he wants to be a Baltimore Raven for life. And he said that on numerous occasions this season. So I really do think that this is one of those where we can take what was said at the podium. actually clock it in a serious way because Ronnie Stanley's been asked about this a few times and has said each time he would like to be a Raven for Life. I also think there's something to his tenure with that strength and conditioning and medical department. They really, I mean, amazing to come back from everything, all the things that he came back from and have a healthy

season. And making that progress in the same building, I think is probably important too. It really shows what a good organization can do and get as a an advantage. I think that lesser organizations cannot because they asked this man to take a pay cut last year. This is a guy who has been an all-pro. And he did. He was forced, essentially to take a pay cut and stay. Usually that guy, like Josh Sweat, for instance, this year with the Eagles. He's not going to stay with the Eagles. He's going to take the biggest contract. Usually that guy goes the next year. And he's my number three free agent left tackle with the Baltimore Ravens, a very up and down career. But the highs are really high. A lot of injuries. But it really

sounds like the number three guy on my list will not make it to free agency. We will see the list that Drew Rosenhaus, Super Agent. The top 101. Getting a lot of pop. By the way, DeCosta thought a lot of good guards. He was very specific about what he thought the Ravens need in this draft. So I always think that's interesting when teams are out front with that. And he said, we're going to be able to find some guards that can play for us in this draft. And it is known as a pretty deep guard class. And then he thought their biggest needs were actually edge and outside linebacker. Can't say I disagree, but just interesting

if you think about that roster, they want someone next to Rokan Smith. They really need difference-making edge, more depth there. So just, I thought that was interesting. Points 18 through 20, and then we're going to take a quick break. Joe Hortiz. The Los Angeles

Chargers General Manager was asked about Khalil Mac. He said, and this was news to me that Khalil Mack is not retiring. I didn't know that was on the table. I was going to say, I did not actually know that that was in consideration because I just assumed Kalil Mack was just going to keep chugging along. Joe knew that, Joe Hortiz. And I think he has reached the point of his career, he being Khalil Mack, that it was not a guarantee that he was going to play football again. I could be wrong. Maybe someone's reported this before. I've never seen that. So I think Joe kind of

broke that news. And he also said that they are negotiating and he sounded hopeful about bringing Cleo Mac back. We'll see if that happens or not. I think that that's up in the air, but I think they'll give it a good shot. He mentioned Zion Johnson, who's a first round pick from a few years ago, who's frankly struggled at guard will be tried at center. They need a new center this season. That might be like a salvation, just give it a shot and they're going to bring in another center, but that was interesting. And then I thought he was more optimistic on Mac than he necessarily was on Joey Bosa. Joey Bosa is under contract. He is not a free agent. I think if you look at his contract, it makes sense for Joey Bosa to be released. When asked about Joey Bosa, Hortiz said he wants to retire a charger. I'd love for him to retire a charger. I love Joey, the teammate, and competitor.

Sneaky non-answer there. Yeah, and a subtle way of publicly asking a player to take a pay cut, really, to stay. And he just took one, though. Yeah, yeah, I know. And, you know, it's interesting. The local reporters out there covering the charge. Rogers, they do believe that he's going to be released. Interesting. Yeah, that was from Chris Rimm is his name, with ESPN.com.

So I should credit, obviously, some of these are coming at the podium, which is free to all. And some, like this one, is at a little side session. Yeah. I have to admit, I tried to go back into reporter mode. It's been a minute. I know. We were lurking. We were lurking in the scrums over here.

It was great. I went to Hortiz. He was one of the first guys up. But I was over at Shane for the first 10 minutes. and, you know, you're checking on Twitter. Man, did anyone ask about Joey Bosa? I just wanted to know that his answer to that question. Did anyone, well, it's not on Twitter.

Then you ask someone, because you don't want to double ask the question. Yeah. That's a problem. And then by the time I'm like, Joe, Joe! They were like, time's up. And he was like off and I didn't get it. Well, I'm proud of you for trying, but here's a little behind the curtain beat writer so the reason that wasn't asked at the podium is because the beat,

of course I know that. No, you're the best, like, ally to beat writers on the planet, seriously. Like, it is for years and years and years around the NFL and now NFL Daily, like you are the person that recognizes the beatwriters. I'm serious about that. But for the listener, the etiquette is when you are in these scrums, the really annoying thing is when somebody helicopters in that's not on the beat because the beat understands that they will get a side session

in which the newsworthy questions that they do not want aggregated and basically their work going to someone else's aggregation before they can write it up themselves. So that's why they don't ask it publicly in front of the entire podium. They wait for the side session. Now, I'm glad it was asked, but you are in danger of being that guy. So I'm glad it doesn't work out. That's one where you make, team beat writers.

You make your judgment call. There are certain unspoken rules that a lot of the people here don't even aren't aware of necessarily. You are, Greg, because you care. You care. And this would be a case where, I don't care. Like, don't be so precious, oh, beatwriters, that you get the exact same information on the side session. It's going to get aggregated anyways.

This is, it's just a very basic off-season question. Feel personally attacked. Yeah. To me, that one, I think there are subtleties. This is like, is you going to, are you confident Joey Bose is back with the team or not? Like, calm down beat writers. Everyone can hear that. Let them have their side session.

And there is an outside chance. I don't know every single situation. Sometimes, some coaches don't do side sessions. But they are aware. And the question hadn't been asked. But they are, the beat writers are aware. We're not going to go. We're being pedantic now.

But the beat writers are aware that that will happen. Sure. But then like, you know, Mike Rable, he's not doing any side stuff. And like just a lot of stuff doesn't get asked. Who do you really care about the other beat writers or the listeners? The audience. The fans of the chargers. Let's take a quick break.

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wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL, visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Back on NFL Daily. All right, we've had 20 of the 47 things that we learned here Tuesday at the Combine. I think we're making good time. 21. Aaron Glenn. This was good.

Football guy through and through. Number one, he was either sweaty or had spilled stuff on his shirt. One or the other, either way, football guy. Football guy. Total football guy. I will say, in the Google Doc, Bullet Point 21 says Aaron Glenn, colon, football guy, M-Dash, was either sweaty or wet. He's such a football guy. So without the context, when I opened the dock, I was like, okay, what are we talking about here?

He's just like, we are here to win now. He talks and you definitely get Dan Campbell vibes. And Aaron Glenn was a fully formed personality. as a player and a coach before he ever worked for Dan Campbell. I just think some of their strengths happen to be similar as like guys you would want to run through a wall for. Let's listen to him talking about just something that made him a little mad. Are you confident that you can find a better quarterback than Aaron Rogers for 2025?

We're confident we're trying to win games. So what that may be, it is what it is. So that's it. And the thing is, I don't want to disrespect any of the players we have in our team. and it kind of pisses me off and some of the other players that that's what we all talk about. You have Quinn and William,

you have Quincy Williams, you have AVT, now you have Joe Tipman. All those guys need to be respected as far as winning games also. I like the fire there from... I love that. Aaron Glenn.

And a little context, partly in reference to a tweet sent out by Quinn and Williams where he had a thumbs-down emoji for them getting rid of Aaron Rogers. So when Aaron Glenn is saying that he's pissing off, some people. He's not just talking about fans. I guess he's talking about Quinn and Williams. And I just

love how straightforward he is. I know. What you see is what you get with him. And I love it. I was over listening to Dan Campbell late in the afternoon at his podium. And he was, of course, the Jets Beat was in full over there. And they were asking about Aaron Glenn. And he was just talking about how Aaron Glenn was he said the words the CEO of our defense and would be key and critical. Um, a figure and an insight in their strategy meetings and their situational meetings, those types of things. I think that was pretty cool. So a lot of what the combine is press conference-wise is confirming things or more evidence that something you think is going to happen is probably going to happen.

That was the case with Questia dofa-Menta speaking on Tuesday saying about Sam Darnold. We have options. And so, you know, the options would be tag and trade, just let him walk with a compensatory pick, long-term deal. It's going to be one of the first two. But he also said, we're so proud of what Sam did for us. And it does feel like he's talking in the past tense. And he said, we don't want to overweight what he did the 15 game, first 15 games of the season, and underweight the last two games of the season, or vice versa. Like, it is a really tricky mental exercise to assign the proper weight to everything that happened.

But what he finished with is what he left me with, which is like, we also don't want to overlook those two games and why they happened. I thought that was an extraordinary, narrowly honest answer, really. It was. Because those two games were the floor with Sam Darnold that the Vikings themselves had not yet seen. And so they have data on it now. And I will say, you know, that continued to be the question throughout the year over there is, is this guy's floor? We're seeing a ceiling at this point. We're seeing what we felt he was capable of and the potential that he's reaching. They didn't quite know the

floor. Whenever you're making a decision about the quarterback, you have to ascertain how high or how low that floor is. This week is the week. I believe they'll determine if they have a trade market strong enough to tag and trade him. And we'll find out March 4th is the day that they have to tag him by. Or else he will be a free agent. Number 6. six on my list. Maybe too high, but quarterbacks get a huge position bump up, and he's the top one out there for now. The list

endorsed by Drew Rosenhaus, Super Agent. Okay, okay. Now I just feel like you're being condescending. I'm really happy for you. Thank you. It was a great little surprise. 23 and 24 is from Damico Ryan's. I liked how much he wanted to improve so many things on his roster. Some guys will just be like, we want to improve everything. He's like,

the offensive line is a main point of emphasis. He's like, yeah, we need to We need help. He's like, wide receiver is a big area of emphasis. We need wide receivers. They said they have ongoing talks with Stefan Diggs. They liked having him in the building. He's coming off an injury.

I think that marriage makes sense for both sides to continue. But he also admitted he doesn't know when or if, I think, is unsaid. Tank Dell is going to be back this season. And so, you know, you can't count on those two guys. So he said that's a big main area emphasis. But then he kept going. And he was like, you know, the more I looked at it, actually we need more defensive linemen.

And so defensive tackle is another main area of emphasis for him. So those are your Texans needs. Yeah. And I mean, it's, that's, again, that was a point of honesty during lying season. I would agree. And I think anytime you have a dynamic defensive coach like Damico Ryan's, you're obviously always going to look, okay, where can we like improve and where can we just add little pieces in different places all along the roster, even if the offensive needs are the

most glaring. And I honestly, I like this team now as problem solvers, especially with the energy they have in the building with D'Amico, with Nick Cayley, the new offensive coordinator that they brought on. I was talking with someone with the Texans to the side of when D'Amico was on the NFL network set. And they were talking about how just like they believe that they have answers to problems. You know, like it's something that, and he said it in a striking way where it's like, this is good momentum. This is new for us. This is great to have. To feel like you actually can go out and problem solve in a way that is functional.

I think Domingo Rines is an incredible defensive problem solver. I will give Nick Casario his flowers. I like how they've built this team up from the front office. The offensive planning was kind of where it was lacking. And so that's the hope with Nick Cayley, certainly. 25 through 27, we got a new contract. one of our favorite players to watch this year. Shout out Khalil Shakir, four-year extension, quote-unquote, up to,

so who knows what that means 60 million. So that would be max value. The key number is $32 million guaranteed. You would assume that's mostly, if not all, in the first two years of the contract so that if I had to guess it'll be somewhere in the neighborhood of like two for 32 or some of that guarantees into the third year. But it's roughly $15, $16 million probably in the first two years of his

contract, which is the rare case, and this is no slight to Shakira or his agent. There are reasons that this happened. But it's a, it's a deal the second it's signed. It's like, that's a good value. You know, like that's a good deal of business for both sides. And he's a late round pick who's still a year away from free agency. So of course, you take $30 million guarantee. That's who I would be if I was an NFL player. And doing it early is ultimately, like you said, doing it early like that is ultimately going to be good. He, and I want to be clear on this, he is a volume one. And they obviously went in the draft and looked around for another player who could be dynamic for them, Keon Coleman. And I think they're going to do it again.

I think they're going to keep drafting and sort of overhauling, especially while they have a vault, like specifically a volume one under contract. And it's interesting because the contract's not for a one. So that's what I think they love. So that he's almost got the contract of a one. They have a first round pick. I'm with you. I think they add to that position. I don't think it's going to be Amari Cooper.

It was interesting, by the way, this is not one of the points. I'm just adding one for free because we just love. We just love our listeners. Sean McDermott was the only coach to speak on Monday, weird. And he was like, yeah, Kean Coleman, it was pretty up and down. It was, he was, he said, essentially after his injury, it was a little rough, more or less. I'm paraphrasing. Couple more Bill's points quickly.

Brandon Bean, he said, we'll see on Razul Douglas, who's a free agent. That's code for, he gone. And he was asked about James Cook, a story I didn't mention yet on the show. James Cook being out front saying he wants specifically $15 million a year, I believe I'm worth that money. I want that money now. And he also called James Cook a beautiful man. And like I think he would have rathered maybe James kept,

I think he meant like he's beautiful that he just speaks his mind. But he, yeah, he's an attractive guy too. I think it's there's at least one wholesome moment per press conference between the two of them, whether it's Sean or Brandon Bean. Brandon Bean loves the circuit. He's like on all the, he does all. So I think that's why Sean went early. He's like, yeah, the people are here for Brandon Bean.

So let's, let's. So I'm being a little rude when I said to start the show, all the GMs are starting to look like each other. Because just to paint the picture, we're at a table. We're at a set. I don't know, 150 feet away? 100 feet away? I'm not good at approximating feet.

And so you see the podiums. And they all, they've all got like the pullover. It's the quarter zip convention. Yeah, and they all, there's like a group of them. Goody is on my floor in my hotel, and so I've seen him in the elevator. And there's like a mix of like Goody, Brandon Bean, I don't know, like maybe you throw Veach in there. You can kind of tell who what Veach looks like, Borganzi, the new Titans guy, where they all kind of just look like, like create a GM on Madden. Sims characters?

Yeah, they just sort of look like GM. And I, just like I look like, you know, average small podcaster, like they... I thought you and James Gladstone really hit it off in terms of like similar appearances. Good, good tease. We both like our shackets. He's on... Your shackets and your hair swoops. He's on later. That's true. We got to get there. Okay, 28 through 30s, the Eagle section of the show.

Howie Roseman, I just like that he said, I can't stop thinking about offensive linemen and D lineman and that he would consider it unhealthy. So he's got to keep adding there. he wouldn't give an answer on Miles Garrett. And I bring that up because there was an ESPN report that league sources think that the Eagles might be pushing in on Miles Garrett. I would love that fit. I don't care.

Keep getting better. I love it. That goes along with that he can't stop thinking about offensive linemen and defensive linemen. You know, it is a very well-executed, performative football. show that he puts on every off-season where every little tidbit and every little appearance and everything is, I think, a mathematical equation towards what this team is going to be and its identity. And honestly, I kind of love that. That would be amazing if they went big.

He spoke about where they were in their process, not to pat myself on the back again, but we talked on the NFC East preview that they're at an interesting place in their cycle as a team and I was saying this that they have a lot of their young 28, 26, 27 year olds sign long term and what he was kind of saying was like

this is kind of an offseason to push for us because we actually don't have a lot, we have a lot of young guys under contract we can be a little riskier this offseason. So I'm going to move the points around and point 42 is actually coming up here at a point 30. It's making a big move because the Andrew Barry news.

He literally moved it in the document. Yeah, I did. That is how committed to the show Greg Rosenthal is. Okay, Andrew Barry is the Browns general manager. He talked about Miles Garrett. We should talk about these two things together. Yes, of course. Very strong, saying it's irrelevant how many people have called

because we aren't interested in trading him and went as strong as possible that they are not interested. At first, I wasn't buying from the Browns. are you buying now? I could go either way, honestly. I could be tucked into either way because I do believe that they understand that trading a player of that caliber

is, it could backfire on you. He said he didn't see how it would help them. You know, fair. Yeah, I mean, if you got a craplode of compensation, I could see how it would help you. But that's the thing, is some of this is also posturing, driving the price up publicly. now I don't actually think they're getting into this

looking to specifically trade him like that it's already a foregone conclusion I do think that it's really helpful to drive the price up this way and that they could trade him if they had the right price. I agree. I think that's well said. Thanks, Greg. By saying this, it's sort of making the point

you're right that they're not looking to trade him and it's going to take that they're ready to keep him. probably expecting to keep him unless they get a true mother load. And we'll see. We'll see if they get a true mother load. I would love to see it. I still think it could happen.

I guess I'm not totally buying it. I think he's expecting the mother load offer to come. Now it's point 31. You've got to back it all up. Nick Siriani of the Eagles had some interesting comments we mentioned on Monday show with Tom how at least one team Packers, you know, they're trying to get rid of the push. Nick isn't happy about it. Let's listen.

I almost feel a little insulted because we work so hard at that play. The fact that it's an automatic thing that, like, we work really, really hard and our guys are talented at this play. And so it's a little insulting to say it's just, you know, we're good at it. So it's automatic. We work really hard at it. There wasn't a lot of injuries there. I think that's a little made up, to be honest. Now the numbers will tell the truth, but I don't think there was many injuries with it.

this year. I can't remember one injury we had on that play and we brand it more than everybody else. Yeah, I like the point that he made about there's actually no data for extra injuries on this. Great point, because it's true. I know that... You know he came with his note cards,

I'm sure, in his little rebuttal points too, because that's a very good point. There's a, it seems like you're putting your offensive linemen and the defensive line too at a bigger risk, but there's so few plays. There's so little data and there

there isn't proof of the I don't think the touch push is staying that I've come along to like there's We're going to do this every off season until something else comes along. I promise not to actually. I promise not to. No, I'm saying we the collective zeitgeist. If it doesn't happen this season, I'm not

going to talk about again. It's not going anywhere. The Eagles are awesome. Our next point and this is it's been a long day and I'm like, what does that even mean? It's Brad Holmes of the Lions and this is straight from our friend Kevin Patra, who is out banging out great articles. Check them out on NFL.com. I can see him from where we're sitting right now. He's been hard at work on this copy for like the last

couple hours. He mentioned Brad Holmes of his hometown lions. Admitted, there's probably not room with the way their build is and their roster for another big pass rusher splash. I'm surprised. But that would seem to indicate they would not be in the Garrett business for a way. A similarly related tidbit, the videos of Aidan Hutchinson running that circulated across social media, you know, as he continues to make his return or make his way toward returning, obviously you're going to see where he's at, and I think build around him. That just put it together for me. He's up for another contract.

Not that it would be this offseason, but they know they're going to pay Aiden Hutchinson top-tier money. So can you bring a Miles Giff? or aboard when you know Hutchinson's getting that deal either this August or next February or whenever it's going to be. That's a great point, Jordan. This must be how you felt when Drew Rosenhouse, comma, super agent approached you on the street to complement your top 100. Top 101. 101 free agents. Don't try to take away that one for me. PFF, I see what you're doing going 101 now too. What's up with that? Ryan Poles was one of the gentleman that we got to speak with today.

and we're going to run his interview, like I said, later in the week. They're all not going to be today. But I think he had a little newsy nugget, which is I positioned that they haven't really spent money and free agency on the offensive line. They obviously have needs there. And he indicated that that's an opportunity they're looking to spend on the interior line specifically.

So that's something you could expect them to do now. I thought that plus his reemphasis, which I know it's been a couple of years, that he has said things like this, but the re-emphasis and sort of emphatic way he talked about needing to run the ball and needing to shore up and basically identify better talent and figure out what combination works the best, you know, figure out what center works the best with Caleb Williams. He went over a couple of possibilities of traits in that regard. So, yeah, I thought that was a little bit newsy, a little tidbit. Yeah, a little bit. And he also said

the left tackle position will be open for competition, so Braxton Jones is not locked in there, which really says like four of their spots are pretty wide open, which it's tough. He talked about the juice that Ben Johnson has, points 34 through 35. Yeah, a lot of dip on that chip. Yeah.

I'm surprised. Ben Johnson, sneaky amount of swag, sneaky amount of like, he can lead a room, leadership presence, and sneaky tall, all of that. with Ben Johnson. Yeah, you had quite a day of discovery, I think. I thought he profiles as like a shorter guy, but he's not.

And he also is surprisingly, yeah, swaggy. And Ryan Poles said the same thing that, like, he doesn't know why people think that of Ben Johnson. He absolutely is kind of an alpha. Because they think of him as like the Boston College nerd. Like that's really what, but that's the thing. He has a presence. It's points 34 and 35.

We're a great example. look, you can be nerdy and still have all sorts of confidence. Nerd rage is a powerful thing. Let's go. I also like, he said, I didn't hire my friends. I purposely went outside my circle to hire coaches, including Declan Doyle, his offensive coordinator, who I think it was Sean Payton, who said he's like a young Ben Johnson.

And Ben Johnson was like, I think that's a good thing. So he didn't hire friends, but he did try to hire his own clone. Okay. Okay, can we take a minute to recognize the amount of subtle shots that Ben Johnson has taken at other people in the league? Like, and not so subtle. We talked about this with Ryan Poles. You'll hear it later in the week. Like, the Matt LaFleur shot that he took at his opening press conference,

the fact that he said he didn't get there, get to where he is because he had a famous last name or a family member in the business. And now he's saying this. I kind of love it. This dude has the juice. And he's just having fun. Here's another word for taking shots, being honest. The NFL, this is how they all talk. Actually, I shouldn't say they're all.

Like, I don't think Todd Bowles necessarily. Like, there are just guys that operate from a position of kindness and nicest. And any thoughts that they have, they're keeping it to themselves more than not. But four out of five of them are talking mad, you know, trash to each other and amongst themselves about each other. And so all it is is like a little bit of honesty. I like that. Yeah. 36 through 38, the Titans, first press conference for...

It's hope season for the Tennessee Titans, everybody. For Mike Borganzi. I keep wanting to call him Nate Bargazzi, who's... You did on accident today, by the way. I clocked it. And he said they've received calls on the number one pick. That's 0.36, by the way, if you're keeping track. He wants as many top 100 picks as possible.

So, that was interesting. I'm kind of combining those two. He was asked the most important trait from a quarterback. I think by the same guy who's just like writing an article and had a much better answer than Joe Shane. Processing. I like that. Ooh, good buzzword.

Good buzzword. But I think that's true. Yeah, I agree. I would say pocket movement or processing if I had to choose like one thing. I'd love a combination of both if possible. Right, of course. Yeah. The question is like if you could think.

As long as we're talking about wants and knees. Those would be my two. Those would be my two. I mean, it's great to be like, six, five, and fast. Oh, do you know from experience? I just think that really matters. Like physical traits are also important.

You know he's got a lot of physical traits? Will Levis. He says they don't want to trade Will Levis. Okay. He also said they want to add through the draft and have a veteran there. So that's Will Levis plus those other two guys. I think you know there's no market probably for Will Levis. We'll see.

He also was asked about like competing for the division and said, Well, we'll manage expectations. I kind of like a GM that's actually not even talking up your chances. I'm fine with that answer because I think everybody on the planet can see what a rebuild this is going to continue to be. And sometimes you get a pleasant surprise, like seven win season out of the gate and then it's a pleasant surprise. If you set the bar low, it's going to be that much better when you win like four games when you expected two, you know? It's such an obvious cliche that you first hear, at least I did, make. maybe in your young 20s, undersell and over-deliver.

But as cliches go, it's one of the most important. And I think one of the best. I think if you live your life underselling and over-delivering, everyone, like set expectations very low. Was this in like dating or how, when did you learn this? No, no. I think more about, I don't know when it came out. It came up in some career setting.

Okay, got it. I'm talking jobs specifically. All right. In general, like, not like in a job interview. You don't want to undersell yourself. much, but I think in... Production. In general, like, sneak up on him a little bit.

Yeah, I think that's exactly what he's trying to do to do with this. You know, and then they're like, oh, how do you do that? And then, you know, mid-season, we're like, oh, my God, how fun are the Titans now? We did not see this coming. You know who kind of snuck up on the cognizante? Jason Light of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I used to do the top GM's rankings. I guess I don't do them anymore because it's been a...

a couple years. Well, because they're not fully supported and endorsed by Drew Rosenhaus, comma, super agent. Oh, man. The GMs hate... Can you imagine? They hate these. It was the only time anyone ever cared about anything. Just guys who would be ranked too low would be very upset. But if I'm doing it

again this year, maybe we'll bring it back. This sounds like an episode. Jason Light's got to be top five. And we talked to him. You'll hear that conversation later in the week. The most newsworthy thing I think he said to us and he said similar versions of it to other media today, but the way he said it to us, I liked best,

which was he said Chris Godwin in the end is going to be on the Mount Rushmore of Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That does not sound like a guy he is ready to leave the building. One of the things that I like about doing these in-person sessions, too, is you can see the way someone's face changes when they talk about people.

For example, you're going to hear it in a little bit on this episode. I threw out the name Matthew Stafford to John Spitech, and he kept his face extremely frozen. The radio's gender manager, not giving anything away. Yeah, and then, but in this case, Jason Light was just, he melted. I mean, really, he, and how could you not, Chris Godwin's amazing, he totally melted talking about him.

Obviously, they have some things, he mentioned this too, they have some things to figure out in terms of, like, how back fully can he be, and extending that deadline really helps them get a little bit better data set on where he's actually at right now. as well as gives them some time to figure out what the contract would look like. Unfortunately for them, it also gives Chris Godwin's agent a little time to set the market. And that is, I'm not saying I'm like Buzz Central here, but that is one item of buzz. I think Chris Godwin, despite the injury, has a real market. Not a surprise.

He's the best wide receiver on the market. It's either him or Amari Cooper. And I think there are a lot of people that view him as a great combination. of he's going to change our locker room potentially. And as he gets healthier on a two or three year contract, he's going to get better and be a really plus player. So I think he's going to get a good contract. But ultimately, I think it's going to be from the bucks.

Points 40 and 41, Mike McDaniel revealed that Tyreek Hill had surgery to repair ligament damage in his wrist. There was not a break there. There was ligament damage. But that's noteworthy. So he'll be recovering from that. We'll see if he's a potential. trade target for teams this offseason, no real clue on that.

He also said the dolphins are operating as if they won't have Tehran Armstead indicating that he's more likely to retire than not, that they are kind of assuming that unless they are told otherwise. So they have a, man, they have a lot of work to do. The dolphins are sneaky going to be main characters this offseason because I just think they have so many needs and so many players going elsewhere and just like a lot's going on with the dolphins right now. I like that they kept some continuity on their staff. You know, Anthony Weaver, who was on NFL Daily with us back in the regular season. You know, he had some

interviews, but I like that they are actually able to keep their building intact. Now, I know that there's some heat locally on Chris Greer and how are you building this roster. There's some heat locally on Mike McDaniel, frankly. And so I think, and he just got the extension, but still, and I think that this is a big season, a pivotal season about what do you guys really want to be made of? What is your identity? It was speed. What is it going to be when the speed gets old? They seem committed to Chris Greer. I talked with Tom Pelliserra how, you know, when you guys are out there reporting, you've got to be very careful with how you say things. I feel like as long as you preface it with like, here's some irresponsible speculation out of nowhere. Like, if ever

there was going to be a post-draft surprise, if I had to pick one team to do it in the NFL, this season, and we've seen it over the years every once in a while with front offices that flip post-draft. It just hit me as you were talking. It's unlikely to happen. I haven't heard anything, but like Chris Greer kind of fits the mold of guys that have suddenly lost their jobs after the draft before. That's just me spitballing. And in the like 2% chance that I'm right, I will definitely honk about it. Yeah, we have to cut and file this entire clip just in case. We put it in the Greg file. Number 43 on the list.

Andrew Barry, who we talked about earlier in terms of Miles Garrett, also talked about Travis Hunter, the dynamic Colorado prospect who could play cornerback or wide receiver at the next level. Interesting to me that a team right at the top of the draft, the Browns, say they are viewing Travis Hunter as a wide receiver first. Now, Borgonzi said he thinks he could do both. He wasn't saying he couldn't do both, but he said wide receiver first, which is counter to conventional wisdom and at least how much of the media believes teams will view Travis Hunter.

Very, it's fascinating. First time it's ever happened. And I wonder if there's a little smoke there because I would think that you would draft a number one corner a little bit higher. And I don't know. I just think it's interesting. I wonder if he's trying to maybe drop him a little bit down. Well, he's at two. He could always trade down, certainly. I do wonder. Maybe he's trying to get him to do. Now, here's some dot connecting.

Daniel Jeremiah is the only one in the media who is evaluating the players and saying the exact same thing that Barry said. What does Daniel Jeremiah know? I'm like, it's not even that he knows. You're windy. You're windy. You're Brian Winhorse right now, pointing fingers around. some connections, Browns, Jeremiah. That's beside the point. But if Daniel Jeremiah

sees a player a certain way, doesn't mean all the NFL teams or even a majority are, but it means that some are. And the Browns are apparently one of them. And the argument that he made makes a lot of sense to me. A, actually, wide receivers do make more money. So from a Travis Hunter perspective and from an NFL front office perspective, they value true one receivers. And the thing that really stuck with me on DJ's evaluation is there's just not a lot of of cornerbacks that are like elite players that are under 180 pounds. Whereas wide receivers, there's a lot. There's plenty. Denzo Ward would be an exception, but Denzel Ward's a guy who hasn't been healthy at all. And can a guy like Travis Hunter hold up having to make those tackles on the edge

and stuff? It's a fascinating question we'll talk about as the draft gets closer. Let's do some news. Rap sheet broke the news that there's already been some trade talks. between the commanders with other teams about Jonathan Allen, their former all-pro, pro-bowl defensive tackle. Shout out to the 23 candidates, trade candidates show. We threw Jonathan Allen out there just as like a guess. And that one sounds like it could happen. Yeah, that was actually some early news today, too,

which is kind of interesting that it hit the circuit before everyone else showed up. So rap sheets always hustling. That's like, well, he arrived Monday afternoon, evening, I believe. I know his schedule. And so you think rap sheets staying in the hotel like me after I saw that Nuggets game? I was like, no, I went home. It's a great, it's a great feeling to be like, wait, I don't have to stay out super

late in like some cigar filled room till like two in the morning. I could just go home if I want. This is great. I don't know why it took me so long to realize this. That's maturity. And yeah, so I'm sure Rapsheet was already starting. And a lot of times during this week, and we'll be updating the news all week, yeah, the conversations that happen in these bars at night, they turn into tweets by our insiders the next thing. And, of course, the commander is also kind of a favorite in the discussion for any possible Miles Garrett trade, kind of one of the favorites as well.

Brian Gutikunz, who I mentioned, looks like a few other. And is your hotel neighbor? Right. I'm not trying to blow up a spot, but I guess no one knows where it is. He said on Jair Alexander, we'll see. We'll see his combine code for Higong. So I don't think they're going to bring Jaya Alexander back. I'll have to think about where to put him on the 101 if they do cut him and don't find a trade for him, which is what I think will happen. And he was one of many of the general managers to say, we need to be able to rush with four.

How we do that remains to be seen. Again, a subtle, not so subtle reference to some of the players available in free agency and some of these dynamic, especially interior guys in the draft class, they're fiddling over there. Number 46, I was like, we've got to get Monty Austin for it into the show. It's the offseason of Monty. And it's not really catching on yet. I'm pushing this one.

It's a big, it's Monty comes to center stage. I feel like the Cardinals are just ignored. and he's going to need to have more juicy stuff to talk about at the podium to really get people excited. He did say he wanted to add to the quarterback room that that was a priority. I think he means the backup position, but just upgrade. I think the backup position is going to be important to him. You're going to get some really good backups in like the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh rounds of this class, really. And it's a really deep backup quarterback free agency class.

Bridge guys, abound. It's really weird how cheap guys like James and Mason Rudolph, to me, they have a lot of value. And yet there's actually so many of them that they don't have that much value, I guess. He also said Jonah Williams, this is just a little housekeeping, but I like tracking all this. If Jonah Williams, former Bengals tackle, who was paid a lot of money by the Cardinals to help them at the tackle position, but I had a major injury. And there was some question whether they might cut him. He made it clear Jonah Williams will be back. So just a little housekeeping, he will remain.

on the Cardinals and we wrap up our 47 points. We made up the number to start the show and then we backfilled 47. We got to leave it to our guy, D. Orlando Ledbetter and one of our favorite traditions of the year. Explain it and throw it to D. Yeah, so everyone knows that the University of Georgia always had, especially in recent years, has just sent

a ton of players to the draft. And D-led, he always stands front and center to Terry Fonton's press conference. and a couple of other guys as well. And he asks them to talk about the, and he's an, by the way, he's one of the all-time beat writer greats in our business, an icon. And he always wears a very unique bowtie, and like he's, he's an awesome dude. And he stands at the very front, and he asks the GM to talk about the X number of Georgia players coming out in the draft, and then he lists them.

Let's listen in, just give us this. It's kind of like one for us. It just amuses us. I just love it. Dear Orlando, we're going to listen to his question. Then we're going to take a break. On the other side of the break, you will hear our interviews with the new Raiders General Manager, John SpyTech.

He makes it clear. He's just not a friend of Tom, F-O-T. He's his own guy. He gave me the business a little bit. It was a fun conversation. And then you'll hear immediately after that, our conversation with the new kid on the block. Looks like he could be in the new kids.

on the block. James Gladstone, the general manager of the Jaguars. We will close out the show on the other side of that. But first, yeah, D. Orlando, take it away. We didn't ask you about the 14 players from the University of Georgia who are at the Combine

and 2 from Georgia Tech. In the past, you talk about putting up peaches on the board. Got another 25 players from high schools in Georgia. What is that like for having a fertile local ground for your local stay? kids, the scout, and maybe he'll watch the team there.

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Right, here with John Spitech, the general manager of the Las Vegas Raiders. Welcome to your first combine running a team. I don't even know what it is. My 23rd or 24th Combine was first in a chair like this. So, yeah, great to be here. I was joking with my kids almost half of a year spent an indie in my life.

That is. Yeah, when you do the math, it's concerning. Yeah. I know. And I like it. I like that it's here, too. But I also think, like, of all the places that I've spent a week in once a year, Or, you know, I could mix it up.

Everyone is so fixated on Indianapolis. But let's get to you, John. We all have a Raiders fan in our life. I love that. Mine happens to be my personal trainer, which is embarrassing because I have the body of like a 13-year-old. It's kind of a humble Greg there. I was going to say, do you hear this? And I'm like, I said, well, I'm going to, I told them I was going to talk to you.

And he's just like, just tell them we need a quarterback. Bring up the quarterbacks. I am ready to give up on the Raiders. if he does not get us a quarterback. So what are you going to do to make him happy and get a quarterback this office? Well, sounds like we better find a quarterback that. What's his name?

Stephen. We've got to make Stephen happy. We don't make our readers fans happy. Listen, we're going to, the way that I've been, the way I've learned is you look everywhere and you stay open-minded, and then you end up in Tampa. Like with Tom Brady, you mean, whoever would have thought Tom Brady would have come to Tampa.

We were the losing his team in the four major sports in American history at the time, and then the greatest of all time shows up, and then we found our way to Baker, too. So I, listen, we're going to take this day at a time. We're still working with Pete and Chip and the offensive staff about what's, what's most important, what are the non-negotiables? And, you know, we're going to keep swinging until we find that guy. How aggressive are you prepared to be?

You guys have a lot of capital available to you. There's a lot of names floating around, Matthew Stafford being one of them. But how aggressive are you guys thinking you're willing to be, knowing that, you and Pete sat up in your intro pressers and talked about wanting to be very competitive immediately? Yeah, I think we're going to be intelligently aggressive and we're mindful of the money that we have and not just light it on fire just to say like, yeah, we got three quarterbacks in a room now and maybe one of them can be it.

It would make Stephen happy, though. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be, we go to the top of my board, make Stephen happy, which should make all of Raider Nation happy. We play in a great division, and it's no secret. If we don't build a good team and we don't have a quarterback and support that quarterback, like we're going to have a hard time in our division.

So, you know, listen, But I've never been one to run from a challenge. I know Pete isn't one to run from a challenge. And we're acutely aware of the quality of coach, quarterback, roster in our division. And we've got to put something together to compete with those teams. Honestly, it's hard to focus knowing how much pop Stephen is getting in this interview and how happy he's going to be. And how happy I am that.

You said, oh, I know you before you interviewed me. It's like, oh, I know you. So now I'm just melting. You, um, you. It is about you, Greg. It's all about me. And his personal trainer. That's it.

You mentioned how Tom Brady came to Tampa. Maybe you were part of that reason, because you obviously have a relationship with him. You were, though, a freshman on the Michigan team when he was a senior. Was there much of an interaction like then between you two? I mean, I was on the scout team as a richer freshman. I mean, I had much more daily interactions was Steve Hutchinson and Jeff Bacchus, who were beating me to death on the field. But, you know, I mean, Tom was a great teammate then.

I remember, you know, he would spend time with the freshman. and eat dinner, eat meals with us. And, you know, he had that way about him back then, too. You know, even before the Orange Bowl, which he played that great Orange Bowl against Alabama where he let us back for two different times from a 14-point deficit and kind of like that was his, you know, swan song into the NFL.

That's just who he is. You know, it was who he was then and it is who he is now. You know, I would challenge Tom to honestly answer that if he walked up to me in Tampa without knowing who I was, that he could tell you who I was after those 20 years of past, I'm sure he would tell you that he did know I would be suspected of that to say the least

but I'm glad that we've kind of reconnected our time in Tampa and now in Vegas and he's become a good friend but also a great resource for me and listen I'm not sitting in this seat because I'm friends with Tom Brady it's not what he's about to his core he's about football and winning football and being competitive and if

you don't if you're going to be on a team that he's a part of and you don't embody those things you got no chance I love how that marries with With your philosophy, we've talked about it before, John, and then also with Pete's philosophy as well. One thing we know about Pete is he's going to want to run the ball. He's going to want to be physical. He's going to want to, you guys as a collective are going to want to kick some teeth in, really.

Former linebacker, I mean, my goodness. So this run game, this offensive line, in combination, you know, you guys have a lot of questions to answer a lot of things to figure out with this front and with that run game, revitalizing it, bringing some juice back into it. what's your assessment of where you guys are at? Some young offensive linemen who kind of popped. Yeah, I think that when you started going through the roster when we first got to Vegas, we've got some good young pieces here that we can really build upon. And in a place where it's really critical,

and my belief and my success is really in this league to have that. And we're going to keep churning through that until we have the right group together because it's about having talented guys, but it's about the cohesion in the groups. The best ones I've been a part of that group in Tampa last year, they just they kind of walk lockstep together they're kind of about the same things they hang out together i mean that that is kind of one of those position groups where it really matters and so

you know but we got a great foundation there and we got a great foundation on the d line too with with max and christian and you know Malcolm coons has done some good things and so you know it's a great place to start but we do have a big challenge in front of us so it's one that we're excited about you mentioned Malcolm coons so that reminds me of there's a lot of free agents especially on the defensive side of ball a lot of good players i got i put out of a list of free agents that came out, and I got a lot of people saying, oh, you should have Tron Mourg given higher. He is that good of a player. Like, what are your thoughts of him, and Kuntz especially, kind of as you enter this free agent period, knowing they might have

interest elsewhere? Yeah, I mean, they're both are good young players. You know, Kuntz obviously had the unfortunate injury last year that kind of, that will cost him his entire season, and just as he was starting to play. So, you know, that'll be a factor in how we figure this out. But certainly Morig, I think, took a big step forward last year with his play. And Patrick Graham coming back, it's going to be a familiar defense in a lot of ways. Now, Pete's going to have some influence on it as well. So I'm excited to see how it kind of manifests itself and, you know, how we fit our players in there. But, yeah, I mean, they're both good young players, and we just, we don't want to be in the

habit of letting good young players leave our building. Excuse me. How have you watched Pete and Patrick collaborate together? Because, I mean, Pete ran an iconic defense, obviously. I think Patrick Graham's one of the best defensive coordinators, one of the best coaches in the NFL. these schemes and these philosophies marrying together. I mean, I know you're dorking out over this internally every day. Yeah, I unfortunately have so much to do.

I don't get to be in those meetings that much, but Pete would come up and just be like, oh, we had a great meeting. Oh, there's so many good ideas up there. You go down to the whiteboard and things written everywhere. I'm with you. I mean, Pete's resume and the defenses he built, basically everywhere he's been, but obviously everybody thinks of Seattle. They speak for themselves.

And, you know, Patrick's done a great job, too. I mean, that was a really hard defense to crack last year. We played them in Tampa, and they gave you everything you wanted. And, I mean, Max actually got injured in that game and finished the game. And, you know, they're missing Coons, and they had some other injuries too. So I'm excited to what becomes of it. I hope that we can kind of, like, get through the draft and I can be a part of those meetings a little bit more. But I hear all the great things, and I just haven't got to witness them first-hand.

Have a fomo a little bit. A little fomo person, too. I'm a little bit of a fomo person, too. So that press conference that Pete and you had, you were, I wouldn't have known that you guys had, that you guys had just kind of met because it was like a buddy comedy deal. Like a lot of juice in that room between P. Carroll and the defensive coordinator. A lot of juice on the field with Max Crosby, obviously, throughout the years. Long said he always wanted to be a raider.

Kind of backed off of that a little bit late last season, wanted to see what was happening with the organization. Are you confident Max Crosby is going to be part of this team? Well, I mean, he's one of the great players in the league. And he and I've had some really good conversations, just getting to know each other. And, you know, I shared the vision of where Pete and I really want to take this thing. And, you know, he wants to be a champion.

I mean, I respect that immensely about him. And, you know, there's people that say that. And there's people that do that and live that life. And he's living it right now. I mean, I don't have anything to do. And my family's still in Tampa, so I don't have anything to do. So whenever I wake up, I just go in. And there's always a really nice car parked in his spot.

And he's there. And he's there late, too. And so, you know, listen, he said he wants to be a champion. we want to make them a champion and, you know, we're going to start from there, and that's a good place to start. Appreciate all the time today. John Spitech, general manager, second podcast he's ever done with this group. He already did Playmakers with Jordan Rodrig.

You notice he got all his plugs correct, but missed the name of mine. Yeah. Do you want you to do the Placolars? The play collars. There's been a lot of Playmakers conversation about the old ESPN show lately, so had that in my head. Which podcast was better, though, like Jordans or this one? That's your final question.

Jordans. Oh. They were more in depth. It was more in depth. It's true. We only had 10 minutes here. Appreciate the time. Thanks, John.

Thanks for having me, guys. All right, here with James Gladstone, the general manager of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Holy cow. How about that? On Friday, they actually sent out a schedule of the Combine, and it said 1130 a.m. Jaguars GMTBD. And now here you are. Just 24 hours.

after meeting the local media, welcome, and what has this last week like been for you? I appreciate the app to sit down with you guys. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get a, how are we doing, right? Oh, my God. The second podcast plug. Oh, that's so cool, James. I'm a little disappointed, but nonetheless, it's been a great experience so far. Really getting to know our scouting and coaching staff over this stretch is going to be something I'm really looking forward to.

Obviously, we haven't spent a ton of time together, and this is basically, basically an off-site for us. We're already beginning the dialogue around our roster, pro-free agency, and, you know, through that, a lot of connective tissue just comes to the life. Yeah, you're part of Jordan's graduating class from the play callers. John Spitek, who joined us on the show, and then yourself as well. 11 personnel diehard. 11 personnel die hard, yeah. And I love it, James. First of all, this must be crazy, right, for you. And, you know, Les's right-hand, director of scouting for so many years overhauling that program in Los Angeles. Those back-to-back draft classes, I was fortunate

enough for James to be my tour guide of sorts through the scouting department last year. And the processes that I know you would like to implement over time in Jacksonville, I know you have big goals and big dreams, but where the heck do you start? I think it starts by calibrating to the current mode of operation in Jacksonville. All right. So these guys have already teed it up, so to speak. And I'll calibrate to the way that they're operating as opposed to asking them to do that on a wider scale. And I think that'll allow us to just get in rhythm quicker. It's going to be easier for one person to be agile than a larger group.

And then over time, we'll work in some specific efficiencies that will help us down the stretch here throughout the spring before ever doing more large-scale shifts. Yeah, it's really interesting because you're coming into it a little later in the process than most general manager. Even if it was like a month ago, like, look, you're right here at. the Combine. When you think about tackling this roster, obviously you must have spoken about a lot in your interviews. Where do you see the priorities on the roster of areas you want to work on? You know what? I think we want to do our best job at every position to make it better and better. And so we're not going to look at any one position at this stage as needy more than the other. So I think we're going to keep an open mind in these conversations that we have this week,

see some of that surface just organically, and I look forward to that. I liked what you said about, it's easier for one person to be agile, and you said it in a voice that I'm very used to hearing in my ear. That was a lessism, I think, a little bit, but it's easier for one person to be agile than the collective. And I think that that's also a fact-finding mission about the people you have, right? How are you balancing? I mean, I know you have a bunch of data already from your own analysis and scouting

of this last college class, right? Right? But how do you balance all of that data with the process is already in place and get to know people along the way? Like, how do you connect with people? Yeah. Well, okay. So there's layers to that, right? Sure is. Yeah. I think I'll go to your first question. And no, I'll go to your second question. I think what I tend to do is I start from a place of humility. Yeah. And I think that by doing so and leveling with people, it garners, you know, a mutual level of respect and trust by default.

And beyond that, you know, I'm only familiar with the way that we at the Rams had done it. And so I'm really, really excited to just see a different way of moving about the process. And I am certain there are going to be cool things that surfaced throughout that that I had never thought of and want to carry forward. So that's something that I'm really looking forward to. And I just can't wait to get to know the staff on a deeper level. And I think a lot of these conversations that are happening right now are going to bring that into focus. Yeah, for our listeners who are curious about your background, I didn't know until this last week that you were, you know, coaching a high school team in St. Louis.

That's how you first met Les Sneed, that his son was on that team. I happened to see his wife had a comment on Twitter just last night, and I wanted to ask you about it. She said that you described yourself as an offensive lineman in a wide receiver's body. Can you just unpack that for us? What does that mean? You know what? That's interesting. All right, so.

She kind of blew up your spot all over there. I was like, what does that mean? Oh, wait, I'm going to talk to him tomorrow. I'll ask him. So I think through that, right, I was, my dad was a second generation high school teacher and football coach. And so I grew up in the halls of what would, you know, eventually become my high school. and the first place out of college that I would work. I grew up in those locker rooms on the sidelines.

My dad raised me through the sport of football, through his likeness, and that was an offensive lineman. And really, the idea of collective effort and being bigger than any one individual, that's where football captured my heart. And so that's what I mean, right? The idea of it's not about you as much as it is, the whole. And so that's why I say, you know,

more rooted in the service-oriented, don't need the credit, offensive line, mindset, whereas, you know, wide receivers are a little bit more forward-facing. They put the ball across the goal line, and that's important. You know, James, you're going to hate this because I'm going to give you a compliment, but the teaching mentality in the background as an educator as an explainer of things. I know it was a long, long time ago, but those fundamentals and those core principles, you carried that with you into the reshaping and the progressive evolution of the Ram's own draft process. What are those fundamentals to you in explaining to a collective what the goal is, how to achieve that goal, and bringing people with you in that explanation?

Yeah. You know, I think football is a complex system with a lot of moving parts. So we're going to focus on some fundamental elements and execute those exceptionally well. And I think that helps. You know, if I dove in a little bit, just the storytell. Yeah, this is therapy. No one's listening. It's fine.

She asks very in-depth questions. It's hard to answer them quickly. I used to tease you, James, because I'd be like, you just wait. Once you get the big job, I'm finally going to get to talk to you in public. I appreciate you trying to, you know, turn on the light, so to speak. But nonetheless, when I was a teacher, I knew from a young age that that's what I wanted to pursue. I'd see my grandfather do it. I'd see my dad do it.

They had success. So I had a roadmap for success and then putting my own spin on it. And so when I decided to pivot only three years into that profession, after having from a young age, the idea that I was going to embark on that for my life's journey, it was a little bit of a shock. And I went from being a teacher, somebody who identifies strengths and weaknesses in an individual and then helps that individual address those and grow. When I got into then the lens of scouting, you're still addressing or highlighting identifying those strengths and weaknesses, but you're you're still addressing or highlighting those strengths and weaknesses. but you're not a part of the growth. And so initially, that was a void that I had not filled after making a transition.

And over time, I started to shape the idea of scouting around, well, here's strengths and weaknesses within a profile, here's strengths and weaknesses within another profile, or within a larger collective group or a side of the ball or a team, and pairing those together is where I filled that void. So that's my way of helping others that are playing for us grow by being paired with those who highlight them in the most, you know, complimentary way. And I love that and I love the offensive lineman mindset as well. And yet we do know some players are more important than others.

Trevor Lawrence is obviously front and center of this, for this organization. How do you look at like your role in trying to help him out? kind of be the best Trevor Lawrence that we've seen so far. Yeah, I don't think we've seen the best of Trevor, and I really look forward to seeing him within the scheme that Liam brings to life. And I think that the multiplicity that he offers within the scheme, the variety of really the run game and the screen game, it's going to give this team a notable edge,

and Trevor's going to feel the benefits of that. Now, beyond that, in terms of personnel, I think interior offensive line is something that helps a quarterback out, significantly. Being able to step into your throws is going to just bring success and really bring confidence. And so I think beyond that obviously you're always going to want to give him some weapons and continue to keep that that deep. But yeah we look forward here down the stretch to address some of these things. What did you guys say about the linemen you were looking for as Taylor Morton would

say it sometimes too big strong and tough? Yeah I would say one of the things that I probably carry with me. And this is at every position. I probably have some version of a slogan, but it's getting the way, stay in the way. If you can do that, you're built to be a Jaguar. It is an exciting off-season. Jaguars fans deserve it.

Some of the most loyal fans in the entire business. And I think it's going to be a fun additive off-season. They add Leon Cohen. They add yourself. And not a lot of key free agents. 10 draft picks. Yeah, a lot of draft picks. So look for the Jaguars team to be,

A lot different. Ooh, what do you want to say there about for now? You're going to add or subtract? I'll tell you, I'll tell you. Lesneed said that every year he'd walk off the lectern and he'd go this many picks and then he'd go for now. Yeah. Yeah, if you do take anything from Les Need, we can expect some trades, some wheeling and dealing.

Really appreciate the time, James. Thank you guys very much. It was a joy. Congratulations. Appreciate it. Really enjoyed both those interviews. I had the best time. talking with those guys and with you.

Okay, later this week, you're going to hear a John Spitech story from Jason Light. That dude's kind of a badass. I mean, there's some fire there. Pete Carroll and him, I think, are going to make a pretty cool team. Vibes-wise, Raiders win Tuesday. If I'm ranking the combination of GM vibe

with coach vibe, just in terms of kind of cool and just like, ooh, I'd like to hang out with those guys, but also, like, I'm glad they're running my favorite team, and they're kind of an odd couple, but they make sense together. Yeah, SpyTech and Carol, sign me up for that sitcom. I'm excited for this generation and this era of Raiders football. And I am excited about what's new in Jacksonville.

It's definitely very much feels like just a brand new era, and they're attacking things a little differently. And hopefully you just are kind of getting a feel of what these guys are actually like, and it's very cool that, you know, between, you know, the play caller series and then, you know, James there was a fan of your old 11 personnel Rams podcast. It's just like, Jordan just has like, all these guys all around the league. They're coming up. This, this totally disarmed me, Greg. I mean, I really was through, I almost fell out of the chair when he said, he brought up the old intro to my very beloved little little show, 11 personnel podcast that

covered the Rams and that he did the drop, the intro drop to it. And I almost fell out of the chair. I was like, you know how prepared I am for this stuff? And I'm just, and I was like totally, I didn't even remember what I was going to ask him. It was very nice. It was awesome. It was a nice thing. And I love talking to those two guys. And as we've mentioned, a million times. Yeah, you'll hear some more interviews throughout the week. So that was 47 things we learned at the scouting combine on Tuesday. Now, not nearly as many people are speaking on Wednesday. It's in the single digits. So what should we guess for the number? Some news will come out, though. I'm going to set it at 17 things we'll learn tomorrow. How about that? So we'll have- I'm going to hit the

over on that because I know you. Okay. We'll see it. It'll be around 17 to 23. We'll hear from some interviews. We're not done here at the scouting combine, but it was a great Tuesday. I got to say, man, I'm going to have to ask for a judgment call. Like, football, is it back? Because it kind of felt like the 2025 season, like we're talking. The season is almost here. Do we think it's back? Football is so freaking back.

Oh, my God. It's over. Regular season, I guess it's over. Football is back. We will see you Wednesday. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. on move the six we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and

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