NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady/Ichiro & The Jury Is Still Out On…

Episode Date: May 11, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- recap the latest news from around the league, including Matt Patricia’s 22-year-old legal issues coming to light (5:00), Adrian Peterson eager to prove he’s “still the best” (12:00), Tavon Austin’s “dozen to two dozen” touches (21:00) and does Ichiro really not know who Tom Brady is (24:00)? Plus, the heroes go over different players, teams and storylines that “The Jury Is Still Out On” (30:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Happy Friday. Hey, Dan. Just before we started, I said, Lindsay, start the music, play the music, because we've got to get this on Mike. We were talking about various Disney movies. Greg and I had never seen The Lion King, and we were having a conversation about the millennial cash grab. That is the Beauty and the Beast remake, and now the upcoming Lion King. King remake.

And then Mark mentioned that back in, I'm going to pretty good with the years of movies. I believe 19. 89. 89, little mermaid came out. And Mark, you went on a date with a woman to see the little mermaid. Well, yes, it was with a woman. I was young, a younger person. It was an incredible, incredible time.

How old were you in 1989? You had 15. It was not a woman. It had to have been a teenage girl. I mean, I'm seeing what... This is where the five-year... Dan went deep down the road to suggest that, yes, it was a female, and I went on a date with her when I was like 15.

I didn't go deep down any road. I just said she was a woman? And was she like your nap team? Well, it's like a five to six-year gap between, you know, the right side of the table here, the kissing cousins, Chris Wesleying and Mark Sessler, and then the left, you know, this side being Dan. This is where that five years is about as big as ever,

because it's 15 to 10. It's half your life at that point. Yeah. I mean, but it was a long-distance girlfriend. How could you have a long-distance girlfriend? You were 15? Dude, I operated in all sorts of circles. You were a coxman in those years.

I met her at a summer camp, and so we kept the relationship alive. You know, for first, the things started. I won't go too deep into this, but we would talk on the phone for hours. And this is back, like, you know, you're using up the only phone in the house, which was annoying to my feeling. But then the phone bill arrived, and it was like $180 of collect calls to, like, this town in northern Connecticut. where she lived. And then her mom and the moms would drive us to meet. Didn't you live in Connecticut?

It cost that much? Yeah, but we would talk on the phone for like three hours from like nine night until midnight. And we were in love. And then it all crumbled because, you know, anything that begins in ninth grade, good luck with that lasting when you're not in the same town. I think we talked about this way back in the ATL debate club days that you did very well for yourself in your early teenage years. I think relative to some guys, yes, relative to others, I did very little. I think it's like you're active or you're not. It wasn't exactly like the movie kids.

No, it was not. No, not at all. That's advanced. That was still throwing rocks at girls in 1989. It's another way to go about it. Never let them know you like them, you know. That's what happens when you grew up with six brothers and no sister. Yeah, that's a poor strategy.

So are you like, no, we got to. to get to the show but I have more questions like were you did you make out in the theater to like under the sea I'm just curious because I mean there was something that happens I think I think I think when you're when you're dating yes and you go to a movie in your teens right the movie is a secondary part of what you're hoping by like seven year old girls it was actually was this was what was great it was a weird weeknight and there was maybe like five other people in the theater I think little mermaid had been out for a while it wasn't like I was going to the midnight showing of Little Mermaid.

I had to see it. I feel like part of your world, part of your world, that's more of the makeout song. You're not going to be making out during Under the Sea. See, I'm on top of this because I have... Under the Sea is hand holding tops. Greg might be right. I don't remember.

All right. Welcome to the Friday edition of the Around the NFL podcast, presented by no one. Beholding to nothing. For the time being, still. Until it's decided that we are beholden to something or someone. A lot to get to today, some big news out of Detroit involving Matt Patricia, unsettling news. Also talking about Adrian Peterson, still doesn't have a job.

And he has now putting out some feelers out there, kind of like a, hey, everybody remember me a situation for all day. And we have a segment coming up. Mark, you just got back, and it's been proven via paperwork. from jury duty so what are we going to do new segment the jury is still out on ellipsies uh so there you go that's today's show a lot to get to let's uh you ready get to it greg please let's do some news all right so this is not a story that's fun to talk about but it's a major situation going on involving the Detroit Lions, Matt Patricia, the head coach who parlayed a successful tenure as the DC of the Patriots to a head coaching gig with the Lions. It came out

late Thursday or Wednesday night. The Detroit News dropped a report detailing the offering details on a sexual assault claim that led to an indictment in Texas, 22 years or when Patricia was 22 years old. The case never actually went to court, but Patricia, this had not come up at any point in his football career in the NFL, not with the Patriots. The lines did not know about it. But obviously, this is a big story. And Patricia, the next morning, was in front of the media explaining his side of the story, a story that he feels or that he expresses. comes from a place of complete innocence. Here's what Patricia has to say. Thankfully, truth is on my side. I lived with the mental torture of a situation where facts can be completely ignored or misrepresented

with disregard to the consequence and pain that it would create for another person. I find it unfair and upsetting that someone would bring this claim up over two decades later for the sole purpose of hurting my family, my friends, and this organization. with the intention of trying to damage my character and credibility. I was innocent then, and I am innocent now.

Let me be clear. My priorities remain the same, to move forward and strive to be the best coach, teacher, and man that I can possibly be. Greg, this is a bombshell for the Detroit lines. What struck me when it first popped up Wednesday night was how it came into the news, which was by a statement from the Lions organization from ownership, the general manager, everyone's name was on this statement.

It was coordinated. It came out before anyone knew that the Detroit news, I believe, was working on this story or was going to release the story. And so it was very choreographed. And that's, so that number one is the first thing that struck me about it. is how completely behind Matt Patricia, the Lions organization, decided to be right off the bat. And there's been a lot of speculation and questions about Patricia's,

you know, what this all means moving forward. And I think the only thing you can draw on that front is how together, uniform and clear the Lions organization was about how they believed, you know, this allegation, everything about this allegation, how much they believe in their coach moving forward. So from just sort of a brass tax, you know, part of looking at this, that to me was what stuck out the most right off the bat. Yeah, I mean, it was indicted by a grand jury, which is no small thing. At the same time, it's a case where, you know, I'm hearing a lot of people make judgments on Twitter and all over the place, it's like we simply don't have the facts to know.

It's a kind of thing where for him, he came out very passionately about his side of it. And at the same time, one of the reasons the case never went through was that the female involved refused to go to court to give her side. So we just simply don't have the facts. What are you supposed to do with this information 22 years later when we don't know what happened? Right. And Matt Patricia has emotionally, aggressively, categorically, and unequivocally denied. all accusations or charges. So what more do you go on when there's no one to say otherwise?

Well, it's okay to not have an opinion on everything and still, A, be interested in the story because it is a story. There's been a lot of opinions quickly out there, but one of the ones that I think is easiest for me to push back is some of just like the reaction to it that this is not a story. Well, no, it is a story. It's a fact that a journalistic enterprise found out about it's absolutely newsworthy that you put it out. They did that in all the correct way.

He's responding to it in the way that he chooses. It was fascinating and uncomfortable to watch him because you're watching it knowing, hey, this is one of the tougher moments of his professional life and you're watching it in real time. But there's also no, you know, if you find out that this is something that happened, of course that's a story. I mean, it's a story when you're looking at any of the draft prospects in any of their background. It's just he's in the public eye and it's something to be put out there. And for the most part, I think people have been pretty, you know, responsible and in their reaction to it. I mean, do you think the Lions, like they came out so quickly with their support and their statement backing him?

But behind the scenes, is there another wave to this where they do invest? further to get utter clarity or is that is it over in that organization from they're very public right off the bat comments it seems like they're behind him the one thing i'm thinking though is like that doesn't necessarily mean the story is over this is a huge story because it's it involves sexual assault accusation which is very serious you have to understand the framing of when this is happening during the me too movement and everything around that and then also it's a NFL head coach and then you don't know because it's such a big story media members are going to try to dig on this.

Who knows? Maybe does the accuser come into the frame now? You don't ever know that. And then what happens if this accuser then comes into the frame and and gives more shading to the story, which we don't have? Then what do the lions do? So I don't think the story is over yet necessarily. And it's just a terrible situation.

And if Patricia is innocent, can you imagine a worse scenario? If he is an innocent man that you get pulled into this and you have to address this and you have a family and you have kids. We saw him at the owner's meetings with his family, all smiles. And if it actually was something that happened, then he does deserve to have a comeuppance at some point, and we're going to see what happens. I think the Lions have said what they're going to say about it.

Now he goes back to the business of coaching his team. They have a rookie minicamp on Friday, and I think it's almost silly because you're right. There's no way to know anything on it. But to your point, Dan, And if there's anything else that does come out or anything moving forward, then the lines are going to, you know, then it's going to be on them to respond. And if nothing else comes out, I think it's just going to be something that hangs over this offseason.

It's a fluid situation, I think. Let's move on. Adrian Peterson, we did a live hit for NFL Network earlier this week about free agents. Humble Brack. So many viewers. We were not even sure. Trillions. Yeah.

We don't even know if actually happened. free tape wasn't even live i don't like to lie to the audience i'm sorry um little camera magic there uh you know adrian peterson doesn't have a job the segment we did was free agents that are notable guys that could probably help a team that don't don't have a gig uh so all day one of the great running backs of this generation uh still looking for work he's posting workout videos uh and showing that he still can get it done tom palisero had a conversation uh with ap he had this to say I'm healthy and I'm ready to roll. If you want someone to help you win a championship and be productive,

be very productive. You know how to contact me. Wes, I know you believe all day deserves another year in this league. Do you think it happens? Yeah, I thought Steve Kime, the Cardinals general manager, sunded up well at the combine when he said,

it's obvious you can see he has this running talent still. Anyone who has an eye for football can see this guy can still run. But he's a net loss in the passing game. and that's a hard position to fill in 2018, a guy who's not good in the passing game as you're running back. There are franchises that go years without a hundred-yard rusher, and I bet fewer than half of the 32 teams last year had a single player rushed for 130-yard yards in a game.

He did it twice in a month behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. This guy can still play. I think it's about fit, and it's like when you try to boil down the teams that could or should have an interest and Adrian Peterson, it's not a long list for the reasons you mentioned because he's not a guy that you can disguise and have him do all these different things. He's out there. You know why he's out there. But at the same time, like the NFL over and over is a people business. And there are coaches out there that know what Adrian Peterson can bring. And they have had their defenses

destroyed by him in the past. And he'll always have allies. I just think with him, you don't need to sign him right now. You sign him probably really close to the summer to training camp because the guy doesn't even play in the preseason for the most part. And then you try to find out, can you make this guy a part of your offense? Well, he's maybe an injury replacement, you know, for some guy that goes down. Because to Wes's point, he's not a backup. That's his problem. He's not a backup.

It's sort of the same problem as Colin Kaepern. Yeah, and this is this. This is a problem with a lot of aging running backs that aren't helpful in the passing game. They're not going to help on special teams. You know, that's what you want out of your third or fourth running back. So if you're not really a backup because you're not good on third downs or special teams, he needs an injury to happen. But it wouldn't surprise me if that is exactly what happens.

Someone gets hurt and they sign Adrian Peterson. Let's take a peek behind the curtain of the Miami Dolphins. The Dolphins selected Make-It Fitzpatrick in the first round when they were on the clock. The dolphins speak very highly of Fitzpatrick as a defensive player that's kind of a jack-of-all-trades. I can do a lot of things for their team. But one individual was not necessarily sold. on the move and it was the owner of the boston globe reported over the weekend this via the miami herald that ross quote stepped in and implored his team to trade back both to acquire

more picks and save money on the first rounder they obviously did not do that uh and then uh later on in this piece in the miami herald uh a quote from stephen ross about the draft class this is Miami's entire draft class, we'll see. Nobody knows for sure with this stuff. Wes. It's honest. What's going on behind the scenes of Miami? I thought this was interesting because me particularly, I've taken a lot of cheap shots at the Dolphins just because I have no idea what they're doing or what their plan is. And their plan for the last half decade has been to spin their wheels for a while. But this is an interesting conversation, especially after we talked to Adam Gase at the owner's meetings. And we got a sense of frustration.

that this has to be a hard front office to work with. And I think what this article shows is all owners are different, but I think we underestimate how involved they are with the football program. And that's got to be hard to work with if you're Adam Gase. When we on one of our recent shows had a big question when we ran on the AFC for each team. And my question raised the I learned soon after on Twitter from many dolphins, bloggers and followers who did not like that. simply suggested that they are a bit of a shapeless organization in the sense that they could

win nine games, they could win three, but I'm not quite sure who they are when I think about them compared to some other teams. I think that's just how I feel. But the accusation that I heard was national reporters are never attuned with what the dolphins are doing. But one thing that exactly with the gays meeting and this is it just feels like if some organizations are completely fluid and working from coach. owner front office together on some very clear plan. The owner here is saying, I'm not thrilled

with what I saw or how he wanted them to be more strategic, to compile picks. You don't hear owners say that that much. And I think for all these Dolphins fans that are upset, maybe we're wrong. Maybe they are a team that goes out and wins 10 games. But the roadmap to get there

from right here is it's not as easy to see as it is with some other teams. I'm not sure what there is to gain to tell a columnist in Miami your feelings of indecision or... Or whoever leaked it to the globe. Or whoever leaked it to the globe. I'm not sure what is gained by Stephen Ross

other than publicly undermining the leadership in your own organization. I find it interesting. He really wanted to trade back, not just in the first round, but maybe in the second. Perhaps they didn't quite get the guys that they wanted, like guys they wanted were taken ahead of them.

And that's a very analytical way of looking at things. I know Ross is sort of, I think, interested in that. That's not really the way that front office is necessarily set up, although it does have a non-football guy, quote-unquote, at the top in terms of Mike Tannenbaum. But what struck me in this article was just going through the list of how many different people have worked for Ross.

It's been the last decade, five different coaches, three GMs, two different executive vice presidents, who've all sort of told them, all right, things are heading in the right direction. And he never quite sees the results. consistently in the right direction, and then there's a lot of change. You have to wonder if there's going to be more. In sports, it always starts at the top.

Always. At the very top. I feel like the older I've gotten as a sports fan, you become more and more plugged in on how vital the owner is. It's the single most important person in any franchise. In any sport, I mean, I'm a Knicks fan. They have a horrible owner situation, and they've been underwater for 20 years. The teams like Robert Kraft and the Patriots, a good ownership situation. And Kraft's the first to go out there and say that being an NFL owner is not an easy job.

It took him a while to figure out how to do it. And if you're an owner that can't figure out how to do it after a couple of years, your team is afloat and driftless. And before I get Dolphins fans, man, I said undermine. I don't mean underbine. But Stephen Ross, it's second-guessing your own organization. I love the honest comment. I thought it was one of the more intriguing things you hear an owner say. but you're right, it's not something as an organization you'd expect him to say.

While we're on the Dolvin, I do it to say, I kind of like their roster more than I expected when I did this projected starter series. If you look at their roster, it's not, they don't have the stars, and that's why I don't expect them to be that great. Like, who is their best player? Like, they don't have the top shelf talent. But if you look at their too deep roster, really throughout, they don't have huge weaknesses. They're deep in the secondary, deep at receiver, deep at defensive end.

I like Kenyon Drake's explosiveness. I don't think this is a bad-looking team. They just need star power. But I think they're better than the other two AFCEs teams other than the Patriots. I totally agree. And there were games last year where you saw it. But I think I agree with what we said a couple weeks ago.

They could win nine games. No one in here is going to be shocked by that. Or they could win five and no one would be shocked. They got four games against the Jets and the Bills. And those are games they have to win. In other news, Stephen Jones, they do. You have to clean up in the division. Jets and Bills also have games against the dogs.

dolphins, which I'm sure they're looking forward to. Well, the dolphins get that automatic win over the Patriots in Miami every year. Yeah, so you're splitting at least with the Patriots. And then you've got to clean up against the division mates that aren't as good. And then you're in good shape to maybe get to 10 wins. That's how football works. Let's move on. Stephen Jones is the executive vice president of the Cowboys.

And he is a mouthpiece for the team these days. And in a post-draft conference call, he had this to say about Tavon Austin, who was acquired for a late-round draft pick from the Los Angeles Rams during the draft that Dallas plans to get, quote, a dozen or two dozen touches per game for the wide receiver slash running back, Wes, you're shaking your head. First of all, we see this about Tavin Austin with every new coaching staff he has or every old coaching staff. Every offseason is how do we get the ball to Tavon Austin? Also, I'm shaking my head because so many coaches and execs throughout these numbers all the time for workloads, do they just not understand the math, which is problematic to me, like, how are you in that position and don't understand the math? Or are they just like publicly trying to boost the guy's confidence? I think they're fans.

I think watching The All or Nothing show, one of the things that stuck out for good and bad, the Jones family are fans of the Cowboys. You know, they go, and all owners are fans of their team, but I think it's sort of different because they're running the organization. So that's Stephen Jones is like, as a fan,

he's thinking like, oh, this is great. We're going to have to be able to. But he also has to run the franchise and actually find a way to put this stuff in hands. So that's problematic. I don't believe for a second, Tavon Austin is getting a dozen to, two dozen touches.

Two dozen touches. I don't believe if you're a Cowboys fan. A dozen per month. If you're a Cowboys fan, how are you projecting to watch games next season where Tavon Austin is touching the ball 24 times? I am. I heard this and I just thought this is just nonsense. How about the Ryan Switzer angle where they trade him to the Raiders?

And he comes out saying this week that they were trying to fit him in as a running back. Right. That we thought all along, oh, they've got duplicative slot receiver scenarios here. He's the heir apparent. And instead they're trying to make him a running back. It's like, now you're doing it with Tavon Austin.

We're not buying that either. You could start the jury segment thing right now. He's the top of the list. Greg, you're telling me that the executive vice president of an NFL football team runs his team as if he's a fan, not an executive? I think on. That is bothersome. Haven't they gotten better?

Not as a fan, but I think they get excited about the good things in the offseason and the positives. And we've seen that when they give Ken Hamlin and Roy Williams and all these guys' contracts. They get overly excited. about the moves they make like a fan. And then when things go wrong, I think they get overly, like, angry like a fan. I feel like there was a distinctive shift from Jerry Jones. That's why runners don't run teams in general.

From Jerry Jones to Stephen Jones. That in the much more Stephen Jones run era, they're drafting better and they're not making those Jerry Jones type head scratching, you know, giving those contracts out. Why don't we just run the Cowboys to Mexico? Just get them out of the country. Wait, what? You guys are real angry.

I'm so just get rid of the Cowboys. No, I love it. I think there's probably some residual Tavon Austin annoyance in this road. in general. It's not just the category. I'm just tired of coaches and execs not even understanding the math of their own team. How could you possibly project those numbers for Tavon Austin when you're also projecting two dozen touches for Zeke every game? Also, who says, give me a break? It says a dozen or two dozen in general. What kind of ways? It's an odd. It's an odd. Right. That's a good syntax. I have a 10 to 20 touches.

I think one of the one of the, if you're a coach of the Dallas Cowboys, especially the head coach, but even Scott Linahan, it part of your job is kind of rolling your eyes every once in a while. at what the bosses say. Can you imagine being... We do it all the time. Right. I'm just... Why are we so angry about this?

Can you imagine being a patient and your doctor says, well, you can live for a dozen or two dozen more years, whatever. Have a little specific. Stop saying dozen. And everybody calmed down with Baker's dozen, too. How ridiculous is that. It's an absurd. Just say 13, you idiot.

I love Baker's Dustin. Yeah, you know, I go to the bagel store nearby. They give you that free extra bagel if you get 12, the Baker's dozen. Why not? Dan's been sharply overruled on Bayer. Baker's dozen. Let's just keep it in the bakery, it was what I'm saying. Wow.

Can't say a... I can't say I agree with this take. I mean, you guys have your hot takes about Tavon Austin. I can have a baker's dozen tape. I believe Stephen Jones is the one with the hot take on Tavon Austin. Ichiro is a legendary Japanese-born baseball player, and he is wrapping a career that has spanned both in Greg's native Japan. What?

Through America? It's offensive. How is that offensive? I don't know. Well, it's just untrue. It's untrue. It's very different. Wildly untrue.

Your wife is from Japan. Yeah. She's born in Japan, correct? She was born there, then grew up here until she was nine, then moved back there until high school. So a little bit of both. Wow. What a road. And I do think you'll end up there as well.

Just my Cessler on your situation. Someday? Someday. I don't think so. Football does not translate. Anyway, Ichro, one of the greats, both in Japan and America, and he has a feature, a long feature of The Athletic, which is coming strong.

They have not reached out to us about a poach scenario yet. And I would not say they, you know, there may be something to poke around of it. Just poke around if you want. I'm not saying come get us. I would never say that, especially on an NFL.com podcast. You're no Earl Thomas. I just said the athletic is going all over America.

throwing $100 bills of people. Some due diligence you're asking for. You're just saying you're very big right now. You would be happy to have some $100 bills land on you. I'm not even going to say that. You don't have to snatch them up, but if they land on you. I'm just saying, did you read? We were mentioned in the Sports Business Journal, did a deep dive on the podcast industry.

That, to me, rang as, you know, we're players in the industry. The athletic is doing very well in poaching a lot of journalistic talent and covering beats and such. But are they really on the podcast side of things? There's a logical connection here that you brought up. Anyway, Peter Gabbins, the great former Boston Globe writer, ESPN, baseball guy. He now writes for the athletic, and he shared a great little nug that he got from my boyhood hero, Donny Baseball, on Ichiro, and I'm going to read it because it's just a really funny nugget. One morning in spring training, 2017, Ichero was in the coach's room looking at his cell phone text messages. Ichiro told the coaches about one message

he had just received from a number he didn't recognize. The guy said he got an Ichero's number from Alex Rodriguez and that he wanted to come meet him and study his stretching system. What's the guy's name? asked one of the coaches. Ichero scrolled to the end of the text.

Some guy named Tom Brady. Who the fuck is Tom Brady? I love it. Number one, do we believe that he really doesn't know who Tom Brady is. I've been really enjoying this story, but there's a very nagging presence in the back of my head that says

it's all fake because of course he knows who Tom. Why? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, why? Because he's 44 years old. He spends much of his time in America. How do you not know who Tom Brady is if you've been in, if you're 44 years old? Each one never plugs into Sports Center? No, because he

probably not. I don't even plug into sports center. Well, I don't either. His native Japanese speaker pretty much has his own, you know, corner he came here as a fully formed superstar bigger i think you know in japan than tom brady's ever been that's an argument for him being unaware i'm saying yeah i think it kind of is because i think you're why you're insulated and you're in you're part of the japanese touches for tavan austy you're part

like you what is do you think he pays any attention that like the nfl i would just say this like here's a thing people that pay no attention to football at all but they are 44 years old and and even good good luck even walking for a week in this country going into any sort of a step of a step in the fall any time and not seeing Tom Brady's image. In Ugg's Retail Center? It just seems like a taddy logical to me. I think he's kind of on your wavelength where it's like you can be like, you sometimes like there are certain things that have happened in American life

and you're like, I've never even seen this or heard of that, but it's like, that's cool. He is a crazy level of superstar that, you know, he doesn't care about football and he just It probably has never... Nobody close to him has ever brought up football to him or Tom Brady. Come on. Here's one point. It's just not believable. Like, for instance, and this is a bad example on some level.

But like, Kayneeshikori is as big a star in Japan as Tom Brady is here. Now, he doesn't work here. Can you tell people are listening who that is? He's a top 10, or he was a top 10 tennis player, you know, for much of the last five years. He's that big level of star. Now, he works in the U.S. and lives in the U.S. for much of the year. Most people have no idea who this person is. I just, he's, you know what I'm saying?

Let's turn it on its ear. If you were living in Japan and we're not a tennis fan, you would still hear Ishikori's name and know who he was. And I will say being a huge baseball fan and following Ichiro's career for many years, that he is extremely popular with teammates and he speaks English to teammates, and he is a guy that's well known for his sense of humor.

And just in general, he's not some hermit in the clubhouse. I would think even though baseball season only slightly overlaps with football season that he definitely probably knows there are conversations in the locker room about football so you think it's like when Wes really does know who Sia is

but just kind of like hey who would see ya I've never heard is doing it so you think Yitra is doing that how do you spell Sia? By the way I really don't know that's the first time I've heard of Sia we're also acting like because you

you spend some of your time in Japan that it's impossible to know who Tom Brady is because he's all the way over here in America. Tom Brady has Japanese commercials. Like your NFL and Tom Brady are on televisions all over the world. It is not exclusive to the 50 states where we live. He's like Bill Murray over there. They see him in the whiskey commercials.

He has that good loss in translation, Ralph. Thank you. He has a creepy mattress commercial. He has Ugs. He has a supermodel wife that puts them all over the world. He travel to China to do goodwill, which is not the same as Japan. but hell, it's in Asia. I think it's fair to say he probably knows who Tom Brady is.

Greg? He might, what I'm getting, though, is he might just be kind of a strange guy who doesn't know a lot of, like, things that you would. Like pop culture or politics or whatever. I believe that's true, but I still think he knows who Tom Brady is. Yeah, I don't get down with the, I can't get behind the level of unawareness that this guy would have to have to not know who Tom Brady is.

He's also funny. I feel like it could have been just a throwaway joke line that he said and then some reporter wrote it down. as if it was actually true. Well, we'll never know. That's what happened. Let's get Ichero on the show. Can we pull?

Can we pull them? You got connections, right? Yeah, you connects. The Orient. It is just about Yamica's favorite player ever. It's a hottie, you know. Wait, so what? I said, it's just about her favorite player ever.

Oh, you're watching. Is it a hottie? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. He is? I've seen, I'm looking at photos of them. I don't know if I totally agree, but. Let's, that's racist.

That's what's happening. No, that is not. I just don't find him super hot. I find him to be handsome. I don't find him. New segment. The jury is still out on, ellipses. And it's like a zombie court.

All right. So this, what is this seg about? This seg is about taking, it could be anything it could be a player it could be a coach it could be uh something up in the booth it could be anything in the football world that you know you're just not sure about the jury's out that's what the jury's out means it's just like there's no verdict Greg so mark get us going I am annoyed already by the narrative and I'm starting to see articles Cleveland Brown's sneaky wildcard team

And it's just like You have to slow down with this It was the CP on ESPN.com mister You have to slow down with this From our dinner guest Mike Clay From the NFL sky Well here's the thing is if you read what he wrote I read the article

And if everybody wrote it's like It all of it makes sense It's the headline they put on it That he probably had nothing to do it But then it gets sent around And all this stuff happens But there is this sense So you're saying his article

Was molded like clay To fit people's He I would have imagine he might have been slightly annoyed with the headline too. That would be my guess. But there is something going on with the Browns thing where we're acting like that we did this last year too to some degree, where, oh, they're this sneaky team that they're going to jump up and win seven or eight games out of nowhere. And what the jury is out on for me are a couple of elements. There are a lot of things the jury are out on with the Cleveland Browns in general.

But number one, you have a guy and Joe Thomas that spent his entire career and retired months before the team put together what is arguably their best roster. And that left tackle spot, I think, to me, sticks out as one major issue. You've got potentially Sean Coleman in there at left tackle, who was a disaster last season. You have drafted Austin Corbett, who is a potentially good lineman, but he fits much more as a guard, people feel like, than a left tackle. And so you suddenly have this idea that you're going to go with Tyrod Taylor, who is not a guy that gets through seasons easily, 16 games without interruption, with a major issue on your offensive line. And if he goes down, you have to try to grow your rookie quarterback in an offensive line with the same

weakness. Beyond that, I look at a coaching staff that is so super high on the radar right now because they should have gotten more than four or five wins out of that team last year. And they have shown no ability to maximize talent. And I wonder if we're looking at a team that is really actually entering into a season of ultra chaos organizationally because you have a strong-minded GM is going to bring in his own guy and the firings could start happening mid-season if they don't get off to a fast start snuffing out all this nonsense you got to crawl before you can walk you got to walk before you can run and this happens a lot the people jump to conclusions about the browns like you're saying so just let the browns get respectable we don't need to put those expectations

on the team just hang in games win five or six and it's a huge huge gain. This idea that's like, oh, they could be a wild. Well, you're talking nine, ten wins. And that, there's no need to go down that road. It just, it's, it's, it's unnecessary, I think. Coaching matters. Todd Haley's one of the reasons why I have more faith in them, that, that Hugh is letting Todd Haley do the offense. I was never, I always thought they were one of the worst team in the league going into last year. The optimism didn't make a lot of sense. And I think they, there's enough to believe in, especially with Haley, that they'll just be solid. You're right, not a wild card, but just five, six, whatever.

Wes, the jury is still out on ellipses. This is a guy who Greg Rosenthal wrote a banger on, and if you haven't read it yet, check it out, Greg's article on Patrick Mahomes. So many people, just because of his physical gifts and what he showed in that season finale in a throwaway game, have him, like, the chiefs are going to be even better than they were last year when Alex Smith was an MVP candidate. Well, the jury's still out on Patrick Mahomes. I remember a few years ago, I mean, one game.

is nothing. I remember after three or four games when Brett Farve said that Austin Davis was the next Kurt Warner, where's Austin Davis now? I mean, one game is just nothing, especially at the end of a season. We have no idea who Patrick Mahomes is or what he's going to be. Also, check out Jenny Vrentis' article in the MMQB

where Patrick Mahomes goes into detail about how reliant he was on Alex Smith for pre-in-post-snap reads in that season finale. I think one of the reasons I'm excited and people are excited is the pre-season and then more, you know, for other people is that he was someone that people, if you loved him in college, you really loved him.

And I think so that's what's informing them. Seeing what he did in college, people believe in their evaluations. Now they've gotten like this one start which helped to confirm what they thought. You know, the chiefs were among the team. I mean, the chiefs gave up more to draft Patrick Mahomes, you know, than the Jets, I think, gave up to draft Sam Donald. They believed in him. He also went, like, what, 12th?

He didn't go top three. Right, but he went 12th. He was maybe going to go 13. People were into him as this, you know, raw prospect, and that's, I think, what part of it is, is you just see the gifts. Yeah, I agree with the argument I'd have for him is he made me excited watching him last preseason. And I'm not putting it all in one game against a broken Denver Broncos team late in the year. He's an exciting player.

And also, I trust when Andy Reid makes a series of moves this off season where you're willing to part with an MVP candidate from last season and Alex. Smith, and you just hear what they've said verbally from the GM to the coach about Mahomes. That's the hope. I don't think you hear them gush over quarterbacks that way very often. So that's the hope. But you're right, though, in terms of processing, in terms of growing as a quarterback, even the best guys have to go take a ton of lumps. And you can't suddenly make it seem where, oh, now if Mahomes isn't an all-star two months in, the same way as Sean Watson was last year, that, you know, the whole thing is what it is. It's going to take time to show, to reveal

itself. Exactly. And to be clear, the jury is not out on how exciting he's going to be. I firmly believe he's going to be one of the most exciting quarterbacks to watch. I just, the jury is out on whether they're a better team with him. No doubt. Right. I wrote a mailbag today, and one of the questions was, what is the team most likely to go first to last? And I don't think the chiefs are a team that's in danger of anything like that.

But if you have to make the ranking, when you factor in that their defense is suspect, that the division could be better, and then you are turning the keys over to a guy that has no experience. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Chiefs this year. I think we talked about this last week that they have a really high ceiling and maybe a bit of a floor that's lower than people think. I'll go next. Here we go.

The jury is still out. You know, great. You know what I'm going to go down this week. The Patriots offense. I haven't hit this topic. No, no. Well, welcome to May, baby. Here we go. The Patriots offense is coming off a Super Bowl where they shredded the Eagles defense.

But yeah, no Dion. No Danny, no Nate Solder. They just released Antonio Garcia, who was a draft pick that had health problems, 2017 third round pick that was a potential fill-in for Solder. And then, you know, we talked about this. No idea of Julian Edelman will be Julian Edelman anymore. He's post-age 30 coming off in ACL. Now you get excited about Sony Michelle, and you say that guy could be the X factor.

But Jerry's out. That's all. Jerry's not in. you think the jury's in you think they came back with a verdict but they didn't you got an old man quarterback and an offense that's been weakened can I ask you one question

yeah I mean not that we should just assume the Patriots or going to always continue to roll the way they do and I think this is a bit of a different offseason for them but have they not built up enough cash aid stored trust

that they go through the jury to return a verdict that they're good yeah it's a surprise that the jury's not back I agree I'm surprised the jury is stuck on this one just a little bit. Is there like one person in the jury room holding the rest of the jury hostage? Maybe. Maybe there's somebody that doesn't really want to just look back in the past. Some people look and say there are no reverse.

A forward-thinking jury person. To me, it's levels of like how great are they because they have been at a different level the last couple years, even than they maybe were at some different points during the last decade. So even if they fall, their defense has enough questions that their offense has to be near the very top. They can't get back up to like the eighth best often. So on that level, there are changes. I give them some faith because, look, they drafted Matt Light to be their left tackle. He was their left tackle.

They drafted Nate Soler to be their left tackle. He was their left tackle. They drafted Isaiah win to be their left tackle. Now he's the guy they're putting in. He's a first round pick that a lot of people really like. So I'm going to see how that goes. That is less of a concern. One thing for Dan, they have a little bit of a Trojan horse scenario.

they still have Kenny Britt on that roster and he is someone that bleeds the organization from the inside out and I think we're all overlooking that locker room. 12 angry men. He might not make the team. Might not make the team. If he does, they're doomed.

You know what we're overlooked. He's got a battle dorset. What we're overlooking is the next banger from Mark Sessler's top 10 Trojan horses in the NFL. I like that one. I think it's time, Mark. I don't know if I have the energy to write that right now. Bill up that offseason gap.

All right, you're up, Greg. I'm going to go with two guys that Chris absolutely hates being grouped together. But let's just face it, they were drafted one pick apart. Jury's out on Marcus Marietta and James Winston. Not whether they can be a starting quarterback in the NFL, but how high, how great can they be, and how soon? Now, they're only 24 years old. They're one year older than Baker Mayfield right now.

and so I don't think necessarily they've been disappointing in their careers but it is disappointing Mario Yoda had an entire season where he threw more interceptions than touchdowns. There's a lot of factors into that, but that's disappointing. James Winston has not gotten over trying to give the ball away every third possession really.

That's just kind of been in his DNA and he's done a lot of good things too. So they're starting quarterbacks and they're good, their franchise quarterback, that's fine. But I think the jury is out on how good they can be, and especially how good they can be this early on their rookie country. Is it out enough where if neither of these quarterbacks improved over the next two seasons that both teams look for a different quarterback down the road?

No, I don't think so. I think Greg's right that the jury is in that their franchise quarterbacks and their team will sign them to extensions, but the jury's out as far as can they lift their team. And Mariotta did in the playoffs a little bit. Yeah, but they both had moments. And Marioita certainly did at the end of last season. And he did in like a six-game stretch the year before when they were one of the best offenses in the league.

Right. And Winston's numbers last year were misleading, but they were pretty great. He closed the season well. That team had a stink on it all year, and it's not just... People had stopped paying attention to them by the end of the season when they were moving the ball. The reality is, if you line up the 32 quarterbacks last year, no one's arguing that they were in the top 12 or so.

Right. And so now they're getting the point of their rookie contract fourth year. I think the jury's out, you know, whether they're going to do that. I agree. Mark. All right. The jury is out. I understand, number one, when Aaron Rogers, with him back at the helm, you want to just ticket the Packers for 11 and 5, 12, and 4, and wouldn't be shocking to see that happen because I think he's the kind of guy

that literally the team could roll that way with him. But the jury is out for me on the rest of the Green Bay roster. surrounding him, despite, you know, their draft, they added a couple of cornerbacks. Like, it's not that it's a disastrous roster, but I think the way that they crumbled in the absence of Aaron Rogers last season, put them on my radar big time that this is not a Super Bowl roster. I'm not even sure. I mean, they're certainly not a better overall roster than the Vikings.

And so you need, you need to have Aaron Rogers come in and create that difference, and we know we can do it. But I'm done just ticketing them for the NFC championship year after year. I don't love the roster on the whole. I like the roster. And a good reason why is because Aaron Rogers is just that great. And I thought watching them early last year, they were in my Super Bowl pick because with Aaron Rogers there,

they had a lot going right for them. And they pull out a lot of games just because Aaron Rogers is so good. I would not be surprised at all if they finished the head of the Vikings. I guess my point, though, is without Roger. With Rogers, yes, they can do all these things. but I don't love the way they're constructed. It's like any great quarterback. Oh, they're done if he gets hurt,

but you could say that for basically every team in the league. I don't feel that way about, like, for instance, the Vikings lost multiple quarterbacks last year and the strength of that overall roster. That's an outlier if you look at history. It's fair to say the jury's out on, you know, the receiver depth, you know, who's going to step up? Is Jimmy Graham going to be a good signing?

Are they good enough at running back? Like some of the defensive sign, how much better is Petten going to make them? I think they have a lot of potential, and I think I'm probably going to, you know, kind of like them in the, in the picking you know them to go far in the precinct but i think it's fair to say there's been a lot of change and and there's a lot of question marks with i like i like them every year too because of

Aaron rogers he's one of my favorite players ever but mark you're right in the sense that you we should question them it's been a long time and i think we kind of forget this it's been a long time now it's in super bowl 45 and this is one of the top arguably five greatest quarterbacks ever he's going to turn 35 in december and one of the greatest sins the the packers could ever commit is if they waste the rest of this guy's prime and never get to a Super Bowl. Because it's not Aaron Rogers. I know he's had some injury issues over the years now, but mostly it's been the team building has not been up to snuff.

And you could argue the coaching as well. And it's time. I feel like this is an important year for the Packers. I agree. They've had some tough losses. I mean, they've been in the final eight teams five times since that Super Bowl. So they've put themselves in that position. And yet they...

It's like they alternate seasons between... Rodgers getting hurt and having a crushing playoff loss. Well, they go 15 and 1 in that one season, and then suddenly they're wiped away by the Giants in the playoffs. I mean, it's like you've got to find a way to be one of these teams that plays your best in January and enough with the hiccups. The only two seasons, I believe, that they have not at least made the divisional round

is when Rogers got hurt. There was the year they lost in the wild card as an 8 and 7 team. And other than that, they're in that divisional round and they haven't, because of their defense and because of other things, they haven't been able to finish. Well, one last thing on this. A couple of things did get exposed last year when Rogers went down. Brett Hunley, not a good quarterback, even though Mike McCarthy had been raving about him for a couple of years.

And they lacked depth all over. In the secondary? That was my issue. Watching them where they were last year. Like if Nick Perry goes down or Clay Matthews has a bad couple of weeks, there's no pass rush whatsoever. So I think depth was an issue last year. I think they're a little. He needs a bitty with Mike Pet.

Oh, yeah. The jury is still out on the Houston Texans offense. Decision. I know Deshawn Watson led them to the highest points in the league for a five-week span. Five-week spans happen all the time. We just talked about Marioita in 2016 with the Titans five or six-week span. They have possibly the worst offensive line in the NFL. They are overhauling their entire offense, Bill O'Brien says.

So even what they ran last year that surprise teams, they know they're not going to surprise teams again this year. I like their receivers. I like Deshawn Watson. I don't trust their offensive line or their running game. I mean, it reminds me a little bit of the Green Bay situation that the minute they went to Tom Savage, I mean, they went from being this, you couldn't take your eyes off them.

They were electrifying, and he created, and he erased the problems of the offensive line because of his skill set. The minute you put in Tom Savage, they became a bottom seven attack. Right. And the difference, like the Packers have a great offensive line, and the Texans do not, and they didn't really address their tackle position too much this offseason. I think they have a third round pick. But you look at their tackles. It's among the worst. They signed Zach Fulton, I think, at Guard, who was a chief guy. But they signed a chief sky to a huge contract last year, Jeff Allen, and he was a disaster. Their line on paper and their running game, and really their depth behind Hopkins is not great. They are asking Hopkins and Watson to do too much. I'm with you, West, that I think, I think even if Watson plays great, it's an uphill battle for When Will Fuller and Bruce Ellington were healthy along with Hopkins, they were an incredible wide receiver core.

They were, Bruce Ellington, Bruce Ellington was great for a while in the slot, and then he got hurt again because he always gets hurt. And Will Fuller, as far as I've seen, always gets hurt too, so we'll see. But when those guys are healthy, they're dynamic. Good on West, I like that one. They even, I remember even during Deshaun Watson's great run before the ACL went out of nowhere, there was one garbage time game where they got killed and then he filed up a ton of stats. Yeah, we shouldn't assume that he, A, Watson's going to be a stud and B.

Well, he's also, it's also coming off of major reconstructive knee surgery and probably will not be as mobile as he will. That's true. I'm going to say the jury's still out. It's always been out. I just want to offer, it's kind of like a PSA on jerseys. the jury's been out on jerseys packs all journeys or jerseys across the entire league

jerseys if you're a football fan coming out of this draft and it's more draft related if you're coming out of this draft and I don't want this to devolve into what happens on this podcast sometimes where we start just killing people for wearing jerseys.

Oh yeah the verdict's backed let's just jerseys guilty all right you guys you're an adult you guys are cool I'm saying there's a huge huge faction of football fans that like wearing jerseys and repping their team's colors.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the idea of prematurely buying in on a player and you get killed because I know Vinny and New Brunswick he's going to want to get his Sequin Barkley jersey. But, you know, you got the Bill's Mafia. You know, this guy wants to suplex his friend through a fire table while wearing a Josh Allen jersey this fall. And I understand the rush to be that, to go that route.

But you don't want to end up the guy that has the Johnny Man's Zell number three jersey in his closet or the Jamarcus Russell number one jersey in Oakland in his closet. I want to pound the table again and plore people. Wait a year. The jury's back. Wait a year. Wait a year.

These jerseys are not cheap. I think that makes a lot of sense. Even the ones that aren't the official ones, they're over $50, I believe, if you check the NFL shop. Get a veteran. Get a veteran. And if you're one of those guys, and again, this is a subculture of fandom, so no judgment and everybody, even though I'm not in this group.

Some people like to buy the official jerseys. And now we're talking hundreds of dollars in terms of an investment. So I'm just saying, be careful. You don't want to end up with a Paxton Lynch number 12 jersey in your closet three years after the draft, especially the quarterbacks, wait a year, see how they develop. I think it's perfect to come out of the gate and call that a PSA because you're looking out for people's wallets primarily. You're on their side.

You're not attacking them. A blue collar guy. I know that you're saving up money to buy your end. NFL merch, I just don't want you to make a mistake that's both embarrassing. So there will be no, I mean, let's say when we come over to have, you know, at your house at Thanksgiving, have a nice drink with the Hanses family, and the Jets are like 10 and 3. There'll no, there's no chance. From your lips to Gatsy is, my friend.

There'll be no Sam Darnold paraphernalia around the house. You're going to, you're going to distinctively wait until about this time next year to purchase those products. I've already thought about that getting Jack and Harry matching Darnold gear, but I'm going to hold off for this very reason. I like it. This very recent. Well, they're going to be Rams fans, so that's part of it. No way.

I'll be out of here. I'll be on the first plane out of here. Question for the room. What is the last jersey if you ever bought one that you bought? I never bought. That's good. I got one as a gift, the Troy Brown one. Troy Brown.

That would be good for you. I got a sign from some close friends, assigned Webster Slaughter jersey at my wedding, which it's an official one. It looks great. It's beautiful. The last one I bought was, probably Bernie Khosar back in like

1989. I had, the first one I ever got was Boomer Asiason, number seven. Then I got a Kishon, a Wayne Krabet. And then the last one I actually got was probably when I was in my early 20s, I got a Pennington.

And then I got it. That made sense, I think, getting Pennington. Yeah, that was a good instance. How many people went down the Brett Farr of Jets Road? A lot. Right. In fact, if you go to Jet Games or you look at the tailgates you see him and that's increasingly a fever dream that had ever happened and those are

people that dropped hundreds of dollars this is showing my age and what the difference between this player in college and in the pros the last jersey i the only jersey i ever bought was a ronald currie north carolina jersey when he was the quarterback for north carolina and then he ended up being a like twice torn achilles raiders receiver that he was he was a quarterback for north carolina That's a fun, like, different conversation because I almost impossibly... He was a great basketball player, too. He was one of the all-time athletes. Just like Jimmy Graham.

Almost impossibly, I had the home and away jerseys of a Phoenix Sun's small foeer, Dan Marley. Thunder Dan? Thunder Dan. I have no idea. I was not a son's fan, but everyone had jerseys, and I wanted to get something different. And Thunder Dan was this sharpshooter for a popular Sun's team. And I said... Like a dunk, too.

Well, he also was annually viewed as... one of the best defensive wings in the NBA until Michael Jordan absolutely destroyed his career and defensive reputation in the 93 finals. He also had a weird long vein that went down one of his arms. He was cut up. Yeah, he had a nice body.

I was overrated Ron Curry on Rotow World just thinking he was going to be a star. I did too. Nice little career. He was like a poor man's Alan Iverson. Let's save it for the Ron Curry podcast, gentlemen. I think we've just done the Ron Curry podcast. I'm glad we finally got to it.

You know, we only have so much time. just know Cowboys and Chargers coaching staffs that I'm watching you, you know. But I'm going to put a different jury out. The jury is out on the Norv Turner, Cam Newton, Panthers' offense experience. I'm excited. I'm a Cam fan. I don't think he's fully hit his peak. Yet he did for one season, but in terms of the stabilizing and having a good rest of the career,

I think Norv was a good hire. But I want to see how this all works. It's kind of a strange mix. DJ Moore, Devin Funches. McCaffrey's the running back. Norve Turner, the line, Cam. I have high hopes for Cam. I like Curtis.

Samuel's injury was more serious than they let on, and he might not even be ready for the season. The jury's out. This is a kind of an exciting, interesting, I think, thing to watch this season. That hasn't gotten a ton of pop. I've definitely watched. Yeah, and by the way, like, just to save anyone listening,

the time of tweeting something that we will not respond to, jury out, jury's out does not mean we're automatically critiquing this scenario. I think we're kind of rooting for these things. I pick two things I really, like I love James. I love. Just juries out means they're deliberating. Yeah. Okay.

There's, Mark, you know better than anyone, although you never went to the jury decision section of your case, correct? How do you mean? What is, what are you? Did you ever get to deliberations? Oh, we did. Oh, you went to deliberations? It's funny because you said, guilty or not guilty.

You said the other day that the case ended abruptly without any type of. No, we thought that they, we thought that were going to be. be multiple more witnesses and then they said they both rested and then you go in and we spent about two and a half hours deliberating but there were like five counts and they were not all guilty they were not all

not guilty. It was a mix and you come away feeling I did not like the feeling I had coming out of it was a hung jury? No it's just that you're affecting someone's life multiple people's life so big responsibility well you should try it sometime Dan you might be good I am a good jury member

I'm waiting I'm waiting I'm Or you could get on a dog-biting trial like I did and, you know, it just feels like a waste of time. It was a dog-biting counter suit. That is a waste of time. Yeah, it was. And money. And, oh, right, and they got.

The jury is out on you thinking I didn't go to $20. That is, that is some. Or are you saying the jury's in. I know how I'm voting on that. I am voting guilty on your part. You are wrong. I send you back to the chambers to further deliberate yourself. All right.

Deliverate. I was all waiting for the jury. I thought the jury was. out of something related to me, Mark, you said was coming. I think the jury, it would be fair to say that, I mean, this podcast is by nature somewhat weird and a lot of strange, intriguing moments happen on this show. And I thought Greg's announcement on the last show where he was essentially, I would say, commanded by his lovely wife to come on the show to tell listeners.

She didn't say on the show. Oh, well, just to publicly start telling people, excuse me, I. wear the pants in our relationship. I think that one thing with every time you talk to Greg about his home situation, he's positive and things are very good. And I think the jury is not out on that, but the jury is a little bit out on the concept. And again, not going negative here, Greg. They're deliberating on the concept of Greg officially wearing the pants.

No, that's fair. Because I got a text immediately after from my, you know, my best friend Dave Bennett, who introduced me He knows us too better, better as a group than anyone. And he said, like, you guys are my best friends in the world, and I don't even know who wears the pants. So the jury is just out. He thought the jury was out. That may take more than a couple hours for, you know, the deliberations there.

Sneaky, one of the more fascinating moments in the show's history. I'm still trying to keep the whole situation together. So that's definitely in deliberations still. Feels like the ideal would be that neither wears the pants, that you respect each other so much that sometimes there's a different conversation as well. It's more the command to tell people. I hear you. Well, and also I think...

Fascinating. Some women want the man to wear the pants. Some do not. Some men do or do not the same. Trying to get out of that situation without any critique. Where was that going? Well, no, I think some people don't want this thing split 50-50. Am I wrong?

It's like, oh, we're going to have a long conversation about everything. It's like, tell me where we're going to dinner. Go leave. In my relationship, my wife does want me to take the reins. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Well, of course. Yeah, not of course, but that's different.

I think she's saying, like, when push comes to shove on major things, who's wearing the pants. Speaking of which, that's where she was coming out. Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there. Oh, nice safe. Because we literally would not be here. That the two Debs and the kissing cousins mother's names. Kate, Barbara. Kate and Babs.

So shout out The ladies Happy Mother's Day And to our own There are three wives in here That are mothers as well And to all mothers And Lindsay's mother as well

She listens She's a big family And the paramour Who's not a mother But her mother Because she's sitting in the back I know See so

I've met the Paramore's mom And she did a great job Helping to Mother Chris Wesleying Through a tough Actually she and I had a cut On my finger That she said

Get back into the hospital And have them Restitch that And honestly Had I not I probably would have lost the finger. So Lakeisha's mom is an important figure. And if you notice, Wes has gotten quiet because we're talking about mothers and Lakeisha's in the room. And there's a lot of,

you know, a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff to unpack there as well. I didn't even know she was here. There she is. Look at her. Oh, we have a little, some kind of cut out figure that my nephew sent that we're supposed to pose with. Flat Stanley. Okay, we're going to do a Flat Stanley after the show. This is exciting. All right. I forgot we were still on on. We'll be back on Monday with another episode, another three episodes. You're kidding me? Stan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, Lindsay Fulton, and the paramour behind the glass.

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