NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - All-NFL Draft

Episode Date: July 9, 2015

A room filled with some heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling -- break down the latest news including Jason Pierre-Paul's injury (7:09) as well as the Mettenberger and Watt feud (15:02). The guys then draft teams from the NFL 'Top 100 players' list (24:40). Finally, Conor Orr joins the pod for another edition of "Orr you kidding me?" (45:13).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast refuses to use the nickname Daddy Rich. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by a room filled with some heroes. Chris Wessling to my left and Greg Rosethal to my right. What's up, boys? Hey, Daddy Rich. Hey, I like it.

Right in your face, Money Smith. Of course that was the nickname. that Dan wishes we had started to call him. Not true. I think he hasn't really caught on. It was thrown my way by Wes, actually, Chuck Daly. And I said, oh, I kind of like that. Incidentally, I saw the Bad Boys Doc last night was on TV.

And that was the first time I ever heard, Daddy Rich actually used. And I never forced it. I said, I do like that, but we'll let Lindsay decide. Lindsay, I actually, I think, went with Daddy Rich. She did. But we just rolled with Old Zuzer anyway, and I never fought it. The listeners clearly preferred the old Zusa. Yes.

So, Greg, I feel like maybe a Tuscaloosa news type retraction is in order right now. I'm not retracting anything. I stand by that you set up Lindsay in a way that she was going to pick that one. But that's, you know, old news. We're on to July. Mark is away. He's not here today. He's relaxing or doing something.

I have no idea what Mark's doing. But I know that we're here. And we have what I like to call. A good show. Big show. Big show, good show. We are going to, you know, the top 100 wrapped up, the NFL network's top 100 players of 2015 wrapped up. Spoiler alert, JJ Watt, number one, got us thinking, hey, what if we use that top 100?

And then kind of did a little in-house draft here and each picked some players and then maybe leave it to you, the listeners, to decide who. Who has the best drafted team of the top 100 between the mailman, the old zooser, aka Daddy Rich, and the boss? So we'll do that. That's going to be fun. I like all that kind of stuff. That kind of party. Yeah, I like that kind of party. We were going to get Connor or on the phone.

And you know what that means. It means it's Thursday and it's a fun time because, are you kidding me? We'll be back for another week. And also one thing before we get into the news with TD is downstairs, I saw Elliot Harrison, who really, when you talk about who is the trivia maestro or the most knowledgeable NFL media employee when it comes to overall leak history, the only person that you would ever think could challenge West is Elliot. And I challenged Elliot outright.

I said, hey, you got to get in the ring and take on Wes. It's time next time we play Win West's Toaster in August. And he kind of backed away from the question, pretended like he was hurt that he hasn't really been invited on our podcast too often. So why would he do the show? And by too often, you mean never. Right. And then I said, listen, I know you're just ducking it. Give me an answer.

And this is all he said. And this is a direct quote. I think my knowledge in the aforementioned area is well established. So I think we're heading towards something. I'm going to Don King this. I'm going to Dan King this. And hopefully. Well, established to who?

You know, listeners out there, let us know if you even know who Elliot is, much less That's not going to go over well. Also, are we sure he's even smarter? He knows more about NFL history than a guy like Jeff Birchfield. Birch? Who was rattling off 70s football trivia today. Jeff Birchfield works downstairs as well. I don't know.

We'll see. Anyway, but I do think that that would be an epic matchup. That's the Holyfield Tyson matchup I've always gone for, hope for the. Frazier, Foreman type stuff. Something to keep an eye on. I've got a statement of my own. I am not scared of Elliot Harris in one bit. Bring him on.

Where's the Bunsen Blunt and Blotorts are to need it? He's like, I don't like that drop too much. If this was 1960s football trivia, he'd do pretty well, but he's not getting Dick Buckus commercials and stadium names. And who was second in the NFL and Interceptions last year? This is the only scenario where I would root for Wes. There is a lot of heat between Harrison and Rosenthal. TD, do we have the Bunsen burner blowtorch?

We do have the blowtorch, yes. I thought you retired it in honor of the gold standard. Well, I didn't love it. Yeah, he tried to retire himself. That's an important distinction. He feels the way about the Bunsen burner blowchorges Greg does about my toaster. And Elliot Harrison.

Apparently. Okay, TD, how you doing, buddy? I'm doing good. Just a heads up that we did the podcast outro nominee. is the end of the last show. And later this show, we shall be revealing the winner as voted on by your listeners.

Ooh, that's exciting. Yeah. Look at that. This just went from a good show to a great show. Yeah, totally. So interactive. Just real quick, I actually forgot to give up the podcast MVP last episode.

Oh, well. Retroactive. You know how many people came up to us on Twitter and mentioned, oh, well, they missed it. No, I didn't hear any. Oh, I didn't hear any. I didn't get any tweets. However, it was shocking because Mark Sester wasn't the lead.

That was, that was. was actually going to happen. And do any of you guys ever watch Wacky races back in the day? Wacky races? Yeah, with Dick Dassely and Muttley, and there was a race that he never won. The Laugh Olympics are you thinking of? No. Is this a Nigeria program?

No, this is a cartoon network back in the day. Either way, Dick Datsy and Mutley never won. They always came close, and that kind of reminds me of Mark said. Wouldn't the Wiley Coyote be the better reference, sir? Yeah. I don't know. I like wacky races. It was a one that got home from school.

All right. So no MVP, then. Not from... It was going to be marked. Let's lead him that way. I don't know if that counts. That's an asterisk. Yeah. All right. Let's do some news.

Yeah, there it is. The winner of the podcast outro contest. Way to really build the suspense over the course of the show. Yeah, you are a master. You're like Hitchcock. Yeah. There it is. The winner.

You know, you could have teased that out the whole time. I want to do it that way. Well, congratulations, Greg. I like Dan's song, so I don't view it as a personal victory. But TD did a great job with the material I gave him choosing. He did do a great job with the material you gave it. It was a little bit crooked because Greg also cited an actual song. He went up to TD privately, which was not within the rules.

It was supposed to be just off 10 words. It wasn't on purpose. So I don't like that aspect of it, but overall, I like the song. I love Stan New York coming out. Oh, it's all right. Listen, we're all happy with it. We all thought the song was good. All right, let's start with the New York Giants and some rough news, obviously,

out of their camp, Jason Pierre-Paul, who, of course, suffered that injury to his hand while lighting fireworks on the 4th of July. On Wednesday, he had a. medical procedure to amputate his right index finger, which was badly damaged enough that the decision was made. I don't know whether it was for career reasons or just because it was a situation where it wasn't going to ever be back to close to what it was, but they made the decision to lose the finger so that will actually potentially help his recovery period and getting back onto the field

to play football. Also, and this is obviously not on the same level, but also suffered. a broken thumb with the fireworks incident. And that is another issue he has to come back from. So Jason Pierre Paul, lifetime ramifications of this incident, Chris Wesley. Yeah, it seemed like he made the decision on this. He made the call and the decision was made so he could speed it up. And ideally be back in two months, but you wonder with the broken thumb, too, how strong

is his hand going to be and how is it going to affect his game? We can cite Ronnie Lott and Whitney Murr. merciless who had portions of their fingers cut off, but we really don't know how a guy who really practices hand fighting on every play of the game with 330-pound offensive linemen, how that's going to affect his game. This story is really wild. I mean, we'll think about this story for 10 years.

Think of a story where you hear the news. He had his finger amputated so that could get him back on the field faster. It was sold as good news. Oh, it's great news. He'll get his finger amputated. Not good news. That the broken thumb actually could be a bigger problem in terms of just strictly getting back on the field. That could hold them back more.

That's pretty weird. The report initially came out with his hospital records, which was very strange. The Giants went to Miami to go see him that day, and Jason Pierre Paul and his family did not allow them to see Jason Pierpaw. That's a strange thing, too. Very weird. They just said him away. It seems like he was getting skin grafts, having bones. One's put in his fingers for multiple breaks.

There was all kinds of procedures going on at the time. But the reports say, but they could have told the Giants that. The reports say the Giants found out that he was getting his finger amputated from ESPN. They can't be too thrilled about that. No, I can't imagine they'd be too thrilled. And I guess JPP, maybe he wouldn't be so thrilled that the Giants publicly or made it known that they were revoking the long-term deal so soon after all this went down. That's true.

You know, maybe there's some bad blood between the two sides. but obviously a very, very tough situation for JPP. It was, again, you know, where do we, where do we put him? One of the top 10 pass rushers in the league or maybe 15. I mean, this is a big time star player who may never be the same again. A big time star player who's set up to make more money this year, I believe, than he's made in his entire career by far up to this point. So it's a massive year for him in his decision not to sign the franchise.

There's just, there's a lot going on here. Yeah. And amazingly, I mean, this is just incredible. This is not the only fireworks-related injury suffered over the weekend. C.J. Wilson, a cornerback for the Tampa Bay Bucks, also suffered a hand injury. His agent told NFL media on Wednesday and Rapsheet, Ian Rappaport later reported that the injury is serious enough to warrant that Wilson's career might be in jeopardy. His health is the focus right now and will be for some time.

Rappaport reported, this sounds like that. like an even more serious injury than JPP, who at least knows he's going to have a shot to get back on the field. C.J. Wilson does not have that same benefit. It's insane. It might end his career. There's never been a fireworks finger accident in NFL history as far as I ever known. And then two, at the exact same time, we're living in a world where these were different segments that were on television.

Which finger is the most important to play football, ranking them? You know, the index finger wasn't that highly ranked. And then another one was Herm Edwards showing how you do need fingers to play football. Herman just like, ever since you left the Jets and maybe he was on the Chiefs, he still had it all together. But that guy is a maniac. I give him all the money, just have him in front of camera saying crazy stuff. You could pull a homeless man off the street and he could explain why you need fingers to play football. Yeah.

But anyway, PJ Wilson, fringe roster player. He can't afford to lose two fingers. I mean, you feel for him. Again, it's an accident. And you can be sure that now every coach as part of their, we'll see you later for the summer speech from now until the end of maybe at least the next 10 years is going to make the fireworks speech.

Don't play with fireworks on July 4th. Have one of your flunky friends handle all the fireworks for you. It's weird that this needed to be explained, but apparently it does because these guys, I guess we're invincible. Well, I think my anti-firework stance, I'm entrenched on that now. And everybody, calm down. with the fingers jokes on Twitter, too, because it is, you know, it's a sad thing.

Moving forward. So weird. The supplemental draft has gone down, you know, handsome Hank Henry Hodgson, really one of the highlights in the terms of analysis on NFL.com every year is his mock draft. He said one player would get picked. He said it would be Clemson offensive tackle Isaiah battle. He got that right, nailed it again. But he goes to the St. Louis Rams in the fifth round of the supplement.

middle draft. Hank said the fourth round to the buck. So the Rams give up their fifth round selection, the 2016 draft to get Battle who is a prospect that people are excited about. Yeah, your boy, Les

Sneed, Rams general manager, basically tacitly acknowledged that Isaiah Battle isn't ready to play in the NFL. He said that this time next year will start his rookie season. That sounds like just setting really low expectations for a guy that will have some attention on him just because he happened to be the

supplemental draft pick it really stands out to me that the rams took an offensive lineman Hank should have seen this coming yeah because the rams took four offensive linemen in may's draft which i've never i don't think i've ever seen a team take four offensive linemen in one draft i'm sure it happens here and there but that that's a lot of offensive linemen in one draft and then you add another they've got an entire starting offensive line just of rookies yeah i think that could present problems that you've got most of the offensive linemen on your roster have never played it down before that could be a problem you don't exactly have a history of swinging and hitting home runs with offensive line picks in st louis greg robinson not looking great after one

year jason smith one of the underrated all-time bus he was remember he was the safe pick in that trip and you know again unless need yeah my boy uh if if he didn't have the best hair in the game and dress impeccably well and really let's be honest he's basically he's basically basically a nine, people would be saying, what is this guy doing? Why is he blowing picks? He already took four offensive linemen. But because he's hot, everyone's like, hey, this guy knows what he's doing. Let's be honest, your opinion on Les Needs has basically done a 180 over the last two years, hasn't it?

Well, you had nothing but praise for him. There's some hair heat. I don't remember that. There's some hair heat. You know, like the kids like to say real, recognized real. It's like hair recognizes hair. Maybe that's what it is. He's a little Teflon.

I don't like anybody that's Teflon. Well, aren't you? In what sense? Nobody has anything on you. That's not true. That's true. And your hair is kind of Teflon like to. All right, moving on.

Here we go. JJ Watt, Zach Mettenberger. It's back on, boys. Ding, ding, ding. In a recent interview with CampusSports.net, Metenberger, the Titans quarterback, had this to say about J.J. Watt. And just in terms of a little reminder,

right before his first start, Metenberger posted a selfie. of himself. J.J. Watt took umbrage with that. And after sacking Metenberger in the first game that they played against each other, did a mock selfie pick.

You know, had some fun with it as J.J. Watt is known to do. Now Metenberger strikes back. Here's the quote. J.J. had to say, JJ had to say it's a bit high schoolish that I take selfies and I think he still rags me on Instagram. Every time he posts a selfie,

he said Tuesday via the Houston Chronicle. At the same time, if that's high schoolish, he got a letterman jacket made, a Texans letterman jacket. That's pretty high schoolish to me, don't you think? Oh, man. Hey, hate, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, absolutely. I mean, listen, I'm not going to get on the Metenberger train, but he's right.

The Texans letterman jacket was one of the cheesiest things in recent NFL history, and anyone who disagrees is a cheeseball himself. It really started the downfall of that. that franchise. They were on their way to go face the Patriots in Foxborough. They were riding high. They break out the letterman jackets. They get blown out of the building.

Coaches end up getting fired a year later. Shab gets injured. It all traced back to the jacket. They're getting mocked by the Patriots afterwards and everyone in the football world because you just, I mean, you're a bunch of like 27-year-old dudes and you're like reliving your glory days like you're at the high school prom. This story belongs in a high school newspaper, not on NFL.com. It's July.

Well, JJ Watt went way overboard. Yeah. With his disgust of... Especially if he's still taking selfies. Well, that's what I'm talking about. Selfies are ridiculous. They are immature. They're high schoolish in it.

I've seen it about enough selfie sticks in L.A. to last the rest of my life. This new trend is horrible. That's true. It is weak, though, that J.J. Watt, I mean, I can't verify this is true, but I would always trust what Zach Mettemberger says, that J.J. Watt takes selfies on Instagram and then makes fun of Mettenberger. Right.

It's like the... He did a selfie sack dance, didn't he? Yeah, it's like the guy that makes fun of, you know, his girlfriend or something for having Miley Cyrus albums and then has like seven songs on his iTunes playlist from her. It is, you know, keep it real, bro. That's a quality. Oh, no, are we starting to eat with him?

Are you, JJ Watt is on your list. That's a quality analogy. Wow. The TV. Look at shit. That's Sully. T.D. It looks different.

Oh, there he is Sully all of a sudden. Wait, that's Sully's music. Sully, like, as soon as he hears anything about a music artist, like elbow drops T.D. And then gets behind the glass, which I applaud. I applaud him for that. Good job there, Sully. By the way, I think, Dan, for that analogy,

he's got to be the MVP for today already. Sown up. Well, actually, I should have went with something. The Miley Cyrus, that's a little 2013. I could have done a little better. Maybe it should have went with. Ariana Grande. Whoa, Wes.

What did that come from? I don't know. She has been in the news lately. Yeah. So, I, whoa, Wes. That was like a rain man-esque. It just came from nowhere. I don't know who Arianna.

Like, even, like, Wes's face was even stunned after he said the words. It just, like, flowed out of him. Ariana Grande? If you took it to the next level and said, you know, what Watt was doing is, like, licking donuts, then, yeah, it really would have been a minute. Nice. Now, do you know what that's about it? I don't know.

All right. Well, listen, we can't build Roman. a day. Is that anything like a window liquor, a donut liquor? Kind of. Look it up when we get downstairs. Moving on Marcus Latimore, the San Francisco 49ers running back to retired abruptly last fall, this after the Niners invested a fourth round pick on him in the 2013 draft after

Latimore suffered really one of the worst knee injuries that we've ever seen. He told SB Nation, who did a writer for SB Nation, did a pretty involved profile of him. He explained that all this talk and all the posts that we wrote about Latimore working his way back. It was never really the real deal because he never felt right. This was a quote, I went out there and put a smile on my face like everything was all right, but it was hell every day. And he added, my running backs coach was like, good job, good job, he'd say. My offensive coordinator, you know, I was catching balls out of the backfield, was like, man, you look good.

And I was like, you have no clue. So he said that he was in so much pain. And basically, first of all, his recovery plateaued, and he knew that he would never be able to do the things he used to be able to do. And then the pain was so much that he started taking oxy cotton, codone, oxycodone, oxycodone, which is a powerful and addictive pain killer. And he was smart enough to say, my dreams are over. This is not going to happen, but kind of enlightening and surprising to hear this. I was, yeah, I was shocked by this report. It wasn't really, I don't have the quotes in front of me.

This wasn't the song he was singing when the 49ers drafted him. He was very optimistic about his career. Well, that's how you have to be. He's probably in denial as well. Yeah, what else can you do when you're speaking to the media? It is amazing. I mean, a player having that miserable of an experience, you're going to try to put a happy face on it, but there's a lot going on.

And in that SB Nation piece, and if like myself, I was always interested in his story just because that he was even able to get drafted and try to come back after suffering that Dr. James Andrews, who performed the second knee surgery, said that his ligament literally looked like spaghetti. It had been shredded. So he tore three ligaments, which is almost aren't heard of, and dislocated his kneecap, almost lost the leg. So just almost making it back is amazing,

but it just wasn't going to happen. Well, the good thing of reading the story was he seemed at peace that the thing he was really surprised about was when he decided, you know, to stop playing that suddenly he was released. and he was happy, and he was ready to move on. I mean, he even questioned the very idea that they drafted him. He said, I mean, why would you take a running back with two horrible knees? That's true.

Wow. It's a shot at Trent Balke, I guess. Old Balco, investigations, investigate. I mean, I get that, and I'm glad he's at peace. If you're the 49ers, I think you have to be thinking, where was all this two years ago or three years ago when we drafted you? I don't. Do you give him heat for that?

No. I give him heat for these statements now. they make the 49ers look bad. Like they don't know what they're doing. And finally, the top 100, 10 to 1 was revealed, as I alluded to earlier, J.J. Watt, was the number one player, the first defensive player to ever win or get top honors on this list, and it's five years that it's been around. Here's the rest of the top 10, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, DeMarco Murray, Peyton Manning,

Calvin Johnson, Andrew Luck, Antonio Brown, Marshaun, and Lynn. and Rob Gronkowski. Greg, you wrote a reaction piece to the Final 10, and you took special issue with DeMarco Murray all the way up at number four. Wow, that's insane. To think that he's the fourth best player of the NFL, I would not have him in my top four running backs. I would take Adrian Peterson,

Levyon Bell, Jamal Charles, and Marshaun Lynch, certainly over DeMarco Murray, and maybe a couple other running backs. So it just seemed like an insane thing to see him up with a great, greatest players in the league like Rob Gordkowski and Calvin Johnson. I mean, to put Murray in that class seems. To be fair, this voting is done before the Super Bowl with Murray coming off offensive player of the year honors.

Nobody knows when Peterson's can be back on the field. There are a lot of factors. Well, it says of 2015, though. It's this. Right, but the voting took place right then. And nobody knew that Murray wasn't going to be playing for the Cowboys then either. I don't care about that. It's not the best stats.

It's the best player. You put Levion Bell in the Cowboys, he'd have 2,800 yards. I don't believe that. I think you're underselling what Murray did from. September through December last year. Wes doesn't think that meat was left on the bone as much. I think he's a top six or seven running back in the NFL. That means he's a great, great player.

But that means he's very good at his position. It seems weird to put him up in the category of those kind of players. And kind of used to made the point about Labion Bell. I was thinking Jamal Charles, who seems that be having an Hall of Fame career that is being overlooked in a way. If you put him behind that Dallas line, wouldn't he even have been significantly better than DeLis? No, I think you guys are severely underselling what the Marbleau.

DeMarco Murray did from September through December. That's fair. The other thing that stuck out to me on that list I know we'll move on is the guys 8 and 9, Antonio Brown and Marshawn Lynch, to think of different points of guys' career. At one point, Antonio Brown was backing up Emmanuel Sanders as a rookie. At one point, they signed Brown to a huge contract. And the real reaction at that point was, wow, they didn't give the money to Mike Wallace. They wanted to give it to Wallace, and he wouldn't take it.

So they turned around and gave it to Brown. And how well did that work out for the Steelers? And then Lynch, he was four years into his career, and he was kind of looked at as a mid-level starter and malcontent. He was a third stringer before they traded him to Seattle behind Fred Jackson and someone else. And now they're top ten. It always makes you wonder how so many other guys would do in a better environment and better setup. Lynch being a great example of that.

But so the top 100, and that gets us to our next topic. we are going to now pick a team and I'm already nervous because Wes has like a highlighter out and that means that he was doing some prep on this and I feel I feel like the guy at the fantasy draft that that's not taking it seriously and ends up getting banged I only have a highlighter out so I can scratch out the guys you take oh is that what that's for yeah okay I'm less intimidated how about you Greg are you prepared at all I'm just amazed mark didn't show up just to avoid any fantasy draft uh comments from you, Dan.

Speaking of which, yeah, I should say that we will be doing our fantasy week, NFL, around the NFL podcast in August. So get ready for that with these two Roto World stars to my left and right. Do you think Mark will have any say in that? Mark will be here. That I can tell you. So who gets first pick here? All right.

That's a great question. Should we explain that this is a draft? Yeah, it's a draft. So we'll go, we'll do snake draft. and the first pick, Greg, you will, as the guy with the highest income, you will pick first. And it will go toward Wes, and then Wes, you double back. Does that seem fair? I'm fine with.

Unless you want it, too. I'll give you two if you want, but it just makes more sense. I'm fine with however you want to do it. Okay. All right. Are you good with that, Greg? I'm good with that. How much money do you make?

I mean, I don't know for a, well, I guess I do know for a fact. You don't know for a fact. I don't know. I just assume. I assume it's more than me, and I just wanted to know potentially. So you will not tell me. I'm not telling you. On the podcast.

All right, off the podcast. All right, let's get it going with the first pick. Thank you and welcome. The millions of fans who are watching on the NFL network. And to all of our fans around the world, a heartfelt thank you for making the NFL great. The 2015 NFL draft is officially open. Rog, finally. Thank you, Rog.

Finally comes by the studio and joins the podcast. Thanks a lot, Raga. How are you doing today? I'm testing slowly. See if you has every Roger word possible. I'm great. I don't know. Roger Goodell, not here.

No. Just a matter of time, though. Who's tracking these picks? That will be up to Brandon McHennis behind the glass. All right. Irishman. All right, well, with the first pick, now that it's a draft, you know, I had JJ Watt as my top player because I think he is the best player.

Okay. But if I'm drafting to make my team, I'm taking Aaron Rod. This is not the spirit of the exercise. You're supposed to draft the best. play? Uh-oh, not this again. I'm drafting Aaron Rogers. I don't understand why you would call J.J. Watt.

In your own top 10 that you did for our site, you took J.J. Watt, but you won't Yeah, you know what? That's phony, balloon. That is funny. Well, now it's like we're drafting a team, so I want a quarterfax. You're not drafting a team. You're drafting the best player. Okay, I'll take J.J. Watt then.

What? I just turn your card in, though. All right, fine. This is the top 100 exercise. All right, by the way, and just so everyone's clear what we're going to each pick, I don't know, eight to 10 players, haven't decided yet. We're doing it on time. and after we have our players, we will leave it to the listeners to decide

just more work for TD, which is always good. The second pick, Aaron Rogers. Thank you, Greg, for falling into that trap. Yeah, so we'll have the listeners send to us around the NFL on Twitter, which guy has the best team, Team Hansis, Team Wesleyan, or Team Champion. Dan's off to a great start because Aaron Rogers played sports most important position at the highest level it's ever been played. So that's...

Was it that much higher than Aaron Rogers in 2011? His head coach said it was much higher. Well, what's he going to say? Well, I think he knows a little bit more than Greg Rosenthal about... I don't think it's ever rained according to Michael Carth, sunshine and beauty. Watts better at what he does than by far than any other defender. He's the best defensive player than any... Chris, you're on the clock.

I am taking Rob Grunkowski. One of only two unanimous all pros along with JJ Watt. Reach. It's not a reach at all. Snake's back, buddy. Oh, okay. Well, let's take, I got it. I might have to go off their list here.

Andrew Luck. Woo! I like that. Nice pick. Would be fun to watch Gronk and Luck playing together. I think Grank makes sense. Outside of a quarterback who changes the opposing defense in the NFL more than Gronk, I think he does now more than Calvin Johnson more than any running back.

Yeah, I agree. Speaking of running backs, I will take Adrian Peterson. Good, good pick. Way down at number 62 on our cheat sheet. Wow. A bit of a steal. Well, no, it is good. I just mean that's how they ranked him in the top 100.

Still, though, you know, it's kind of like a fantasy draft. This is where you've got to have the fantasy chops. No, I would have definitely picked him with my next pick if he didn't take him. It's a deep position. I can wait to take a running back. There's no, he's in a different pool. This isn't building. a team, Greg. It's just picking the best player.

I don't care. I'm taking Calvin Johnson. There's a reason Calvin Johnson was in the top three of this list, four straight years, I believe. Do you get his walking cane with your pick? He's 30, he's not even 30 years old yet. He's still the best receiver in the game.

Give you a break, walking pick. Wait, so do we keep snaking? Is that how we should do? It's Greg's pick. I like just taking one pick at a time. Yeah, let's start that now. Right? Making rules up. So he's got his hand in his head.

You know, don't take it too seriously. Yeah, Dan then can have the next one. I'm just saying, like, you had back-to-back picks. All right, let's keep snake. The only fair way to do it is the snake. Let's keep snake. You just give Greg the first pick in every round? Well, what's the big deal?

All right, here we go. Then they vote your team the strongest. All right, so that means Greg's up again. Greg's up again. I'm up again, and I need a quarterback for this group, and I'm going to take Tom terrific. What a value this deep. The stunner on the throne of ease, he sits. Oh, yeah.

You want to mess with Wat, Calvin, and Brady to start your team? It's pretty strong. Wait, does that mean that Greg's team doesn't have a quarterback for the first four weeks, potentially? That's what it means. That's cool. We're instructed to draft this team based on 2015 expectations. Talent. I'm going to take one of my boys because I love my boys, so it will be Des Bryant.

Again, yeah, there's a lot of receivers. They're all kind of the same, Julio, F.K. Green. On that note, I'm going to take a receiver who is not kind of the same. Odell Beckham. Wow. I should have stole that from West, just to bury him. I'm upset with myself now. I don't think that would have buried me.

So West sees Odell Beckham as a top 10 NFL player. I put him fifth on my top 10 list. Have you noticed a commonality between all of these players outside? of basically Tom Brady. They all play offense, except for what? They're the physical marvels of the NFL. They're so much better physically. They all have been built and constructed in football labs, basically.

And that's why we picked them first. I like that. All right. You got another pick. You're up, Wes. I will select Justin Houston. Whoa. Interesting.

Who was totally disrespected with the number 27 ranking on this list, even though he had. He almost broke the sack record last year and has had more sacks per game than any player in the league over the last three years. Can someone please break this damn sack record finally? Michael Strand doesn't deserve to be near it. And it's been able to stand now for 14 years. Let's move on, society. I'm going to take another wide receiver. And I'll tell you what, I'm feeling real good because Des Bryant and Julio Jones are lining up on the outside for me with Aaron Rogers as my quarterback and Adrian Peterson in the backfield.

Yeah. Everyone can suck it. You got Julio Jones? Yep. Got no defense is what you got. Neither do you. You got nothing. I got J.J. Y.

He's a one-man defensive wrecking crew. I might take another one here. I might put a... Wait, you're not up, are you? Oh, you are up. I'm right after you. No, this Sully Snake thing is really confusing me. You got to follow the rules.

I'm going to take a defensive player. and he goes by the name of Dorel. You son of up. Takes him away from Dan. Monster. The hardest thing to find a cornerback. And then I'll throw something that's a little easier to find a running back. But I do love me some Leveon Bell.

That's a good pick, right? Nice. Finally a good pick by Greg. Looking good. I mean, my team looks, look at that. Watt, Calvin, Brady, Revis, and Levyon Bell. I will take. What do I need?

Give me Richard Sherman. The room reacts with no excitement. It's all right. Whatsoever. It's all right. I'll take the second best cornerback in football. He does enough talking for himself. We don't need to say anything.

Wes? I'd rather. Oh, I'm up again. Sully waving the Seahawks. I can't remember what team he's still. Do you support the Seahawks, Sally? Yeah, I'm a Seahawks fan. We've had this guy.

He's one of his Tennessee Seahawks fans. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Dan doesn't, you know. Mark's the only one that has my back on him. He doesn't retain conversation with anyone lower on the depth chart than him. True, true. Let's go back to the physical Marvel theme here. Why is Indomac and Sue still on the board?

He's gone now. That was thinking of that last round. I don't love him. You don't have to hang out with him. You're up again, Wes. Antonio Brown's still out there? Yeah. He's gone.

Nice pick Sue and Brown I was going to take him Oh I like that How many picks up deep are we going here Ten Oh wow Where are we at?

We're at six Might have to make it eight We each had six We're at six Or did I just take my seven You took your six I will now Double up on Legion of Boom

And take Earl Thomas That was yeah That would take him over Richard Sherman So would I Now who's black in the defense That was gonna be my pick I am going to go with a man by the name of Gerald McCoy.

Talk about a guy who is underrated in this exercise. I would take Gerald McCoy over in Domic and Sue. I would not. And it's not that close. I think it's not that close in Sue's favorite. What? Well, I want my guy to be able to play the run too and preferably play more than 10 games a year.

Stop. All right. My next pick, I think just because Brady is suspended at the beginning the year i don't want any voters to knock me and uh i do want this guy just just around he's kind of a good vibes guy for the locker sure everyone loves him good good guy uh ben rothensberg charming fellow talented one of the most underrated players of the last 10 years speaking of underrated players at least uh in this fake draft uh i know i have adrian peterson but i'm going to handcuff him now with marshawn lynch that's that's a lot of seahawks on your team

You basically are just putting yourself out as a Seahawks lover. That's for Sully. Oh, no, there's no doubt to dance currently winning this. And I'm not just saying because I'm a Seahawks. Of course you're just saying it because you're a Seahawks fan. That's the only reason. Come on, Sully. My team is also nasty.

That should factor in as well. Well, we're only three players here. I'm really bummed that Sessler's not here because when we have these type of competitions, Sessler gets really worked up and emotional. Oh, yeah. And damn it, we're missing that. I told you we should have waited for Sessling. How is this guy still on the board?

I'm going to build a dominant defense here. Luke Kikley. Okay, it's nice. I mean, that's fine. I'm not going to go crazy about getting that excited. It's not get crazy. Maybe the second best linebacker on the Panthers. Stop.

Oof. Last year up again. All right, let's go. This guy, how is this guy so underrated because he had one injury in his career and it happened last year in October. AJ Green. That's fair. That's a fair guy.

In this world, in this realm, is Andy Dalton thrown and passes? What? Dan just took Andy Dalton. That's a bad thing. That's how I know you're scared, baby. Okay, I'll go. You're scared, baby.

What a weird idea that was. Dan has always defended Andy Dalton. I know. I'm just curious if that means that you think Andy Dalton is good. We're drafting the player. Okay, here we go. I will take, now my third wide receiver, and listen, this is going to be tough. It's another outside guy. Maybe we'll move him in. I don't know.

Julio can run the route tree. He could do it. But I'll take Jordy Nelson. Oh, yeah, that's who I was weighing. And guess what? I also have, and Sully, you're paying attention because I know you love my team. Aaron Rogers is my quarterback, so I got his number one target in the history of his life. That does not matter for purposes of that. You don't know. No, it does matter. It's a balanced team, three wide receivers. It's nebulos.

It does matter because Wes might be building like all-time defense, but. You're not going to stop Aaron Rogers. These teams aren't facing. You're not playing against each other. Julio and Jordy. Okay, I'm just saying, I'm pitting them against each other. This isn't a PBR League, Dan. I'm trusting.

You know what I'm saying? No, the audience... You're not getting a point per reception. The audience could take this wherever they want to go when they say what teams is best. The most well-rounded team by them. I'm going to give a balanced team and let them look at it that way. Well, if you want well-rounded, you got to make a pick that would make Connor or proud. Is this almost over?

Tyron Smith? I like that. I was looking at it. Wow. That will do well. And I'm going to get Von Miller, too. I'm a big Von Miller believer. Those are good.

The two guys I was looking at for my next pitch. Do we drug test in this world? Doesn't matter. Okay. Drugs are actually encouraged weirdly. Hmm. Seems odd. Yeah, very strange.

Rosenthal's team, it's like the Raiders of the 70s. Just a bunch of renegades. All right. So how many picks do you have, Greg? I think I have nine. All right, so we're getting near the end here. And I was going to take somebody, but I don't want to go nuts with a certain team. You can take a Seahawk.

Who do you want to take? Russ? No. Dangerous? Still on the board. Russ's biggest weapon. Am I reading your mind right now? Yeah.

He was top 10 last year, wasn't he? Yeah, let's just roll with it. Let's go, Jimmy Graham. Yeah. If you can take, you know, a tight end that can't block and this old team didn't want them, you've got to do it right now. I've got back to back, right? You do, and that wraps you up.

Well, let's continue to build this dominant defense and take a guy who got an MVP vote last year, Bobby Wagner. Wow, interesting. He made this one. I kind of like that. And Demarius Thomas. Yeah, that's a good pick. He was overdue. Wes is done.

That's it for me. Done, son. How many defensive players did you take, Wes? All of them. Did you take most of the defense? Every defensive player in the league. I took Keekly, Wagner, Sue, Justin Houston. I think that's it.

You took four. Four out of ten. I'm going for balance and domination. Damned scrambling, his lack of prep showing up. It is. But I actually, I have one locked in, but I just want to. Jamal Charles still out there? I don't want to be feeding you answers.

I do, yeah, I don't need another running back, though. That's not how this exercise works. You just take the best player. Is that what it is? No, you don't need another running back. Just take something else. Jamal Charles. Just to stick it to Greg.

Stick it right in Greg's craw. Stick it in. I don't know why I told you that I was going to take Jamal Charles. Yeah, he was next on my list there. Wow. It's sticking right in his craw. I'm going to wrap up then. It's not as spicy, but I'm going to wrap up with Cameron Wake.

Yeah. I like Cameron Wake. Why is that terrible? He's a great player, but that was the most boring ultimate pick that you can have. All right. Let's read this out. Your favorite player, all you guys, your little sweetheart, Peyton Manning went undrafted. It's not my sweetheart.

Everybody's defending him saying he's still the same quarterback he was three years ago. I am annoyed. I got a quarterback. I am annoyed that I didn't get Jamal Charles, and I gave Dan a pick when he clearly was scrambling and was going to do something stupid. We should all read off our list and then give one sentence of why people should vote for us. How about that? Okay. There we go.

You go first, Greg. All right. My team. J.J. Watt. Calvin Johnson, Tom Brady, Dorel Revis, Levy on Bill, Gerald McCoy, Ben Rathesberger, Tyron Smith. and Vaughn Miller. And you should vote Team Rosenthal

because that's the most balanced team there is out there. It's got a little bit of everything, and it's all excited. And you forgot one player, so obviously. Who would I forget? Cameron Wake. Cameron Wake! Who could forget him, everyone? Wes.

Well, by my count, I have six of the top ten players in the NFL on my roster, and Grunk, Luck, O'Dell, the sack leader, Justin, the receiving leader, Antonio Brown, and the highest paid defensive player in the league in Domic and Sue. And the four other guys, you've got A.J. Green and Demarius Thomas, two of the best six wide receivers in the NFL. And then I've got the two best middle linebackers in the NFL,

Luke Keeckley and Bobby Wagner, this team's domination. Is that your sentence? Yeah, that counts. Okay, that was your sentence. His sentence was essentially I drafted two guys from a position that's mostly growing extinct in the NFL, middle lineback. And weren't the Seahawks in the Super Bowl in back-to-back years? Save the best for last.

This is the greatest collection of talent. Hold on, hold, hold. I think he just answered your sentence for you. Weren't the Seahawks in back-to-back Super Bowls. Oh, yes, that's good timing. Perfect. How did that work out for that? Sully's my GM, by the way.

Aaron Rogers, greatest quarterback on the planet. Adrian Peterson, the best running back on the planet. Des Brian, Julio Jones, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, the best safety on the planet. Marshawn Lynch, Jordy Nelson, Jimmy Graham, and Jamal Charles,

the most underrated player of his generation. And my line for you guys to take to the voting booths vote for me because the other teams are total barf. That could win you the vote. People always want to talk last in these things. That wasn't an accident.

That was some real politics. That was basically the Cameron wake of politicking. Cameron Wake really That hurts That took down your average A little bit, Greg I haven't the one who gave you Jamal Charles

No, well I didn't A crazy about that Well I played it right here Well I didn't see that Wes really deserves the credit for that But it shows Wait is Lee Evans still available Unlike

Matt Millen who listened to too many people In the room and made all the mistakes I listened to the right people It's about you You can't view yourself as omnipotent You need to be able to take other things into account, and that's what I did. That's why I'm going to win this.

I like that I'm my own GM and your personnel director. And I'm not paying you. I'm nipotent. Dan's definitely been sitting around West too long. All right. So those are our teams. And TD, who had to leave early, of course. I can't imagine what he's doing right now.

He's at a meeting of some kind. He's taking a selfie of lifting weights. He will find a way to package the three teams in some way and allow you guys to vote. vote. So just whatever he writes, just make sure you follow the protocol for voting so your vote counts because I know a lot of people with our outro song maybe didn't follow TD's words. So maybe that's why my song didn't win. Who knows? But that's that. All right. Finally, before we get out of here, it's that time. You know, we have this writer in New Jersey. His name is Connor Orr. He's very talented, former beat writer for the Giants and the Jets. And when you work at New York beat, that's how you know a lot of stuff can build up inside and to this day even though he's off the beat now he still gets this rage in him and we thought to ourselves we had to sit down we said how do we get

this out of him how do we keep Connor productive and healthy and alive really so we came up with this segment which i like to call are you kidding me all right Connor how you doing buddy what's happening what's going on what's up buddy uh what is on your mind i want to know uh dan and everybody uh what's the deal with people inviting athletes to their wedding hmm it's uh i was thinking about it the other day and like can you imagine like some guy invited chip kelly to his wedding recently like can you imagine if it was like a really crappy, like, short-term head coach, and then, like, you're looking back at your wedding 20 years later, and your wife's, like, that was great, but you spent the whole time with, like,

Brian Schottenheimer at the bar talking about the week. Shottonheimer? Shottie? What's he doing there? You're a huge Jets fan, and you have a picture of Rich Cotech making out with your wife? You look very pretty in that dress. That's Rich Cotay. You're going to bury the ball. I don't know. I just want to know what the plan is. Like, what if they actually say yes, then, like, what do you do?

It's just like, oh, yeah, Chip, we'll fit you next to my cousins because they're huge Eagles fans. Like, I don't know. I think Connor hits on a good point. All this, like, inviting to the wedding, going with athletes to the prom, buying presents from the wedding register. It was cute for a little bit. The prom thing's weird, too, when it's like a 24-year-old professional athlete that's a millionaire. And I've just actually talked to Connor today. We don't want to step on his own segment.

So I'm going to get out of my opinion. But at the same time, it's like, come on. You know, we don't trust those guys. A 23-year-old with my 18-year-old daughter, I don't trust them. No. Whether it's the groom or the bride in this situation, you're playing a high-stakes game of chicken here. Because whoever's idea it is to bring the athlete to your wedding

is an unmarriable person. I mean, are you kidding me? You feel that badly about your own? You have no self-esteem. You have to invite an athlete to make your wedding worthwhile? What else do you have, kind? Do you have anything else for us today? Or do you have something more on that point?

It's just, it's a continuation of this, this trend. Like, I feel like this has replaced the film your crying child in a uniform to go get to meet Champ Bailey phase, which, like, happens. That is an excellent point. He is hitting on something. Keep going, preach, brother. He's on a rule. It's just like, you know, you know. You could line up like everybody else to get an autograph instead of, like, exploiting your marriage or your children, like, it's the same thing.

What's more important? Wait, guitar, please. What's more important? Family? On autograph. I just, yeah, I mean, you know, and then, what do you do? Like, you just have that Chip Kelly declining your wedding invitation on your mantle next to your kids' graduation photos. They're like, second bed day in my life, Billy, you know.

It doesn't make any sense. So, well, this all goes back to one very big question that you have. Or are you kidding me? There it is. Thank you, Connor. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Connor. Connor.

Listen, he waits around well past, you know, dinner time at his house that he pays a mortgage John to do that call and just get things off his chest. And you could tell even by, when he said goodbye just right now, you could tell that he was feeling better. Yeah. And I'm sure his wife approves her fiance. Youngest guy, he's younger than Patrick, right? Youngest guy around the NFL, but he's the only one that's paying a mortgage.

And it's definitely the most crotchety. Also the most mature. Yeah. I mean, when we were in Indianapolis for the combine, he was like, hey, cats, follow me. And he took us down like this stairwell in freaking Indianapolis. And it was like, yeah, this is a real good cigar joint where we can have some whiskey and some cigars. And then we just hung out in this place and was all drenched in red light.

And I was like, how old are you? How do you know about this place? That's Connor. He was on point today, though. Those were some legitimate gripes. Yeah. That was legit. Especially because when I write the end around column during the season,

When it first happened a couple times with the adults having their kids crying over like a loss or something, you know, I would write about it. But then it became so clear that it was just cynical and ugly. Yeah, there's a problem when it's like a 22-year-old NBA player with like a hot 18-year-old. That's where it's a problem. Yeah. Don't trust it. Don't trust it.

All right. So that's it. And it is that time now that we have a new outro song. Greg now enjoys the spoils of events. victory. Oh, yeah. We will be back next week. I will not be back, actually.

I will be going away on vacation, so it will be up to, as well, Wes. Yeah. So it will be up to Greg and Mark. Hashtag team Rosenz. And I need to get this right. Until next week. Oh, can you pack this on to the end of the pod today? Duh, winning.

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