NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Andy Reid, Tony Khan, and Odell Trade Talk

Episode Date: March 30, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, & Marc Sessler recap the latest news from around the league including Odell Beckham’s trade status (8;59), the NFL expanding the helmet hit rule (13;19) , and Cody Kessler traded to the Jaguars. (20;28) The heroes also sat down with Chief's coach Andy Reid, (28;01) and VP of the Jaguars Tony Khan (41;04) while in Orlando for owner’s meetings.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, boys? I did pick up a bit of a tan. I went running on the first day we were there and was a little concerned. With Greg? Not with Greg this time. Where's there? In Orlando. Orlando.

Playing off the opening bit. Yeah. Got a little bit too much sun and said, not going to do that again. Really? It's already faded. Let's talk about that because three, four years later, no longer running together. Does that speak about the evolution or D.O. evolution of your relationship between the two heroes.

Well, I will open and Greg, you can respond to this. Your response. Do you evolution? I don't think that's really good with it. Well, this, no, this was brought up early on in our time there. And Greg basically said, not really interested in running with you. And Wes was sitting right there and West was taking a back. And so was I. So I just went running by myself.

Whoa. This couldn't be a bigger lie because I literally asked Mark what he's doing. the rest of the day. You know, I said, I think it might go work out. Saturday was the only day we even had time to do it. And he said, you're like, no, I'm going to work out later. I want to take a nap. Wow.

We'll bring West in on this when he returns. Let's take this offline, guys. Break it out, fix this relationship. There was a deep apathy from Greg in terms of joining and, you know, doing this for a second time. We are back in Culver City after a long and fruitful weekend in Orlando for the league's annual league meeting or the owner's meetings. that is a term people almost a week i got in wednesday night i just got in about 12 hours ago yeah so that's a long time to be in orlando but we had a great time there and uh if you have not

listened to our two part extravaganza from orlando we put up shows monday and tuesday and we have more coming today from uh our time in orlando including entering his 20th year in the nfl's a head coach andy rey and don't you for forget about. Oh, yeah, he's an analytical monster. Tony Kahn of the Jags. So we're going to hear from both of them conversations we had over the weekend. In addition to that, we'll also be going through the news, including Endomicon Sioux, finally getting a home and the drama around the famous wide receiver for the New York Giants, Odell Beckham. Junior, some takeaways from the owner's breakfast, which Greg attended while I was hung over on an airplane.

And then a big announcement from Mark at the end of the show. So a lot to get to. So let's get to behind the glass, by the way, for the first time in a long time. Lindsay is back home. Wes is in Cincinnati. He's going to Reds opening day. A lot of fun there. Erica Tamposi, aka the loose cannon behind the glass.

What's up? Hey, hey, guys, what is happening? Just chilling. Yeah? Just chilling, yeah. A little rusty back here. Yeah. But feels good to be in the driver's seat.

You look comfortable. Yeah, you know, just hanging. I mean, you somewhat famously, if fans out there have checked out the latest broadcast, were not allowed to go to Orlando. Right. But I think it was worth it for, I think, what turned out to be the most entertaining episode of the broadcast. No doubt. Yeah.

It was pretty good. Yeah, the broadcast really needed a. big episode and there it was. Yeah. Check out Tamposi. That vehicle is growing. I mean, the hit count on that is, it's climbing with every new episode. Yeah, we're getting up like 40,000 views for some videos.

What about the one where Dan and I appeared on it? Did that spike? Yeah, no, that did, that did well. That did a little bit of spike. Yeah, the St. Elmo most. Check it out. What is your Twitter hit? At Erica Tamposi?

Nope. Tamposi NFL. At Tamposi NFL. That's the burner. The burner. The burner, it's a whole other thing. And M of P.P., of course, does great work for the the broadcast as well.

Let's do some news. Football, colon. A Sunday activity for people no longer on speaking terms with God. All right. Start with in Domkens, Sue. Our last show, we had the general manager of the Rams with us, less need, and I was kicking myself when we were at the media party, which we're going to get to on Monday.

that's how I thought you were going to start the show we had so much to get to yeah we got a lot to get to but Lesneed and his wife Kara Henderson were giving us a lot of info about the courtship of in Dominican Sue in retrospect probably because they knew it was a done deal and like I feel bad we're kind of banging these guys a little bit

in big spot so let's just give a lot of good why because they were taping it right before it got it now It was about six hours or so before it was announced, right? Or was it the next day? No, you're right. Yeah, about six hours before the announcement. But anyway, Sue does indeed land with the Rams, as we suspected, a one-year, $14 million deal per the rap sheet. He made the decision after visiting with the Saints and Titans last week.

The Jets, of course, as we knew, made a big offer, but then pulled the offer when Sue didn't make any type of movement. on it by their self-imposed deadline. Mark, the Rams just got better. The team of ATL. We might have to run that back. I was looking at some of their results against the run last year. The Vikings lashed them for 171 yards. There was that game against the Cardinals, just 118 yards,

but Tate made it look twice as much as that. And the Cowboys. They were. The Cowboys 189, the Jags 169. Erica, you got a little bit of a look because he was in the middle of making a point. I think that shows the memory of where we were at them. They are going to be a different team against the run with Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers, and Sue here. Yeah, if Wade Phillips' defense has any weakness, it sometimes is vulnerable to the run.

So Sue's a huge addition. And some of the worst analysis I've seen after this is like, oh, how they got to handle all these big personalities? Like, first of all, Sue and Talib are kind of the two guys. I think people are talking about it. Did they say it that way? Yeah, basically. Well, Sean McVade and created. answer to that, too.

Which was what? He basically said, you know, Wade Phillips is the biggest guy here. He has the most swag of anyone in that locker room. Those guys are on one-year deals, essentially. Sue's playing for his next contract. He's not coming in as the leader of the Rams organization. He's not even the leader of the defensive line. So I don't think it's not the same in Domenu where he's making the most money of any

player in football and he's supposed to kind of be the centerpiece of the team. He's a guy who's in there who's probably going to. to be there for one year, you know, and he's going to be very motivated to play well. And I think it says a lot that the Rams are in a position that they can get guys to sign for less money, considering where they were just a year and a half ago. You know, the Titans also offered more money than the Rams, according to Rapsheet. I think it's been a very different type of free agency. And if you would have paid me, and I'm sure a lot, maybe not all the football cognizanti,

would admit to this. But if you would have told me and others that a week before free agency that Indomacin Sue will hit free agency and Honey Badger will hit free agency and they'll both get one year deals, they'd say, get the hell out of here, you piece of garbage, that's not going to happen. But things are a little different right now and these shorter term deals and I guess lump in, although it's a totally different circumstance, Kirk Cousins, who got a three-year deal when in the past maybe it would be five or six or whatever, it's just been. shorter deals, but this isn't a prove-a-deal. It's just like we're paying you $14 million and let's fly. Come win a Super Bowl. Yeah, he wasn't getting the long-term contract elsewhere,

so why not take as much as he can for one year for a great team and indirectly serve me some sandwiches? I'm going to get because Trubane Johnson's going to get the most and we will eventually revisit the sandwich situation. I like that the pregnant pause after Cognacente is

becoming more bubbling and more pregnant by the month. We're almost, well, second trimester now. Just wait until the third trimester. Moving on, speaking of contracts and superstars that want to get paid, O'Dell Beckham is in a bit of a standoff with his New York Giants. And the Giants are putting it out there that they'll, you know, you call, we'll answer. But a deal's not going to happen unless something crazy comes their way.

Rapsheet reported Wednesday that the Giants would have to be, quote, blown away to trade Beckham. We're talking about a first round pick plus more. Adam Schaefter, Greg, reported that of ESPN, that two first round picks is what the Giants would be looking for. So obviously the Giants, at least, if you're scratching in your head and you're saying, why would the Giants even think of trading this guy?

Feel better, Giants fans that they're not going to do it unless a massive offer comes their way. I'm beginning to think it's more likely than I did a few days ago. Because if you're willing to say basically, publicly through sources that you would take a couple first round picks or a first plus that that says to me well that's where you're starting and maybe you'll end up taking a little less in a lot of people out there saying of course why wouldn't you do that you know I would send a pick plus for Odo Beckham you're also sending a pick plus the the richest receiver

contract in NFL history because it doesn't really make sense to trade from unless you're willing to do that so that is a lot to give up and yet I don't think it's too much to give up for a Hall of Fame caliber talent, and that's what Oda Becker. It is interesting because when you compared it, Dan, to the Keishon Johnson trade for two firsts, I think that we all sort of thought, no way that happens now. You wouldn't see that same giant boatload of picks.

I still feel like the Rams are the team that's going to get this done somehow. That's my guess. I just do. I think they are totally going for it. And from a Giants angle, I mean, the Giants are the first team I remember following as a kid because they were playing every Sunday in my house.

and now I am sitting here wondering if I can remember an era where they felt you go from the last regime to this one and the sense of some in-house chaos continues. It's been a while since the Giants have felt to me a little bit disheveled like this. And the O'Dell thing has been a threat of discord for a long time now. Is it disheveled though? I think they are a little bit. Are they annoyed with it? I think here's why I'd say because the other thing is unless they have truly, they say forget what we've been saying,

we're not really sticking with Eli Manning. We're going to go get our quarterback of the future. We're not going to draft Chubb at number two. It's unsettled. The whole organization is unsettled. It feels unsettled. And if you come out of this. But disheveled and unsettled are very different things.

If you come out of this without O'Dell Beckham and with Eli Manning is your quarterback and you draft a pass rusher, I think Giants fans would have a lot of reason to look at this offseason to say, what have you done? My thought on it is I'm just wondering how much worse it potentially is behind the scenes with Beckham. Are they just fed up with them? And I know we haven't talked about on this on this podcast, but things like the video surfacing of him in the bed with the woman and maybe some type of. And John Merritt talked about. Elicit substance potentially involved. And you've heard stories about Beckham.

Like he is out there. He's a bit of a space cadet. And the Giants have been dealing with him from that perspective for years. Maybe they're like, maybe we should try to get out of this when we can get a really good payoff. Well, at he's stunned. At the breakfast, the coach's breakfast, I mean, they asked Pat Shermer, You want him on your team. And he wouldn't even say, he wouldn't even answer that question.

You wouldn't answer the question, do you want him on your team for a guy who's under contract and one of the best players at his position? I mean, that's telling to me. And Gettleman's out there, he's kind of making these like, I'm the new sheriff in town type of comments. We've seen in Carolina where he made very unpopular moves getting rid of Jordan Gross and Steve Smith and Josh Norman. It's like, he's not afraid to.

They asked Gettlement about Beckham and he said, next question. I think they're pissed about it. I think they're pissed at him. You don't hear teams go this public with a guy who's still in the payroll. Moving on, the NFL has expanded their helmet hit rule, and they're working on a targeting rule. The NFL proved the broadening of the helmet hit rule that will penalize players who lead with the crown of their helmets

to initiate contact against an opponent on any play of the competition committee announced Tuesday. Offending players would be penalized 15 yards. Could be disqualified, like in the college ranks. Depending on the severity of the hit, Rich McKay, who leads the competition committee, said he, quote, felt like it was time. Roger Goodell, the conclusion of the annual meeting had this to say about the situation. Our focus is how to take the head out of the game and make sure that we're using the helmet as protection and is not being used as a weapon. And that's the core of what we're focused on.

and I think we made a tremendous amount of progress in that this week. Your thoughts on this one, Greg. This was the most significant news to come out of Orlando according to Giants owner John Mara, which is interesting, especially with all the Beckham news we just talked about. And I think a lot of people around the league would agree. And Mara is about as connected with the future of this league as any owner that there is. And it's just 12 words. So there's a lot, it's hard to have a huge hot take.

These are the 12 words that all of these sort of hot takes are springing from. This is all the rule says at this point that the rule is lowering the head to initiate contact with the helmet is a foul. And I think as we left the meeting, the specifics of the rule have not really been worked out totally. That all the different parameters and the questions that have come up from it, they're still going to work on the fine print. So it's an overarching thing that kind of came out of nowhere, but the coaches were all for it, the owners were all for it. It is a significant move to try to improve player safety. We'll see if it changes football as we know. That's what everyone is kind of saying after a lot of these rules get passed. And then when you see it, how it gets enforced, it's maybe not

as big a deal as we thought. But I do think this is a pretty significant one that players are going have to learn a new way to play. The changes of the rule guy? Was that the same guy that said, they're going to deal with the personality. Yeah, it's these guys. That's the same guy. Drama man. Who's your source, bro? Three years ago in Orlando, they changed the rule where the running back can't lower his head to initiate

contact outside the tackle box. And people are like, oh, this is terrible. It's just making the game a bunch of softies. The Trent Richardson rule. Yeah, for like a hat, for like 10 days that was a topic on total access. How many times has that rule been called like four times? I don't know how big a deal. This has been a Goodell mission from the very beginning.

I just would want to say not how much, but if it's called consistently, from one game to the next. I just think that'll be the issue. I am extremely concerned about this. And I am all for anything that makes the game safer and gives these guys better lives after football, but how are they actually going to enforce it? And will it really negatively affect the game

and can affect outcomes if it becomes a situation where the calls, there's a lot of these calls happening. Now, with the Trent Richardson rule that you refer to, I remember that happening maybe once. It never happens. But this maybe this is different, and we'll see. And if it does become an issue, that will become the new catch rule or everybody's freaking out about it.

Well, they'll enforce it, I think, more strictly in the preseason. And we'll see because it's not just targeting, because it's not just defensive players, it's anyone. It's in theory with the ball. And I wish I had asked, you know, Raj, in a traditional quarterback sneak, if a quarterback's, you know, lowering his helmet kind of like Tom Burrow, you know, Tom Brady burrows underneath the line, like, is that a penalty? Against Brady?

they should throw the laundry. I would like to see. Eric, I think Tom has been dirty for many years on his sneaks. No comment. She's going to edit that right out of the show. Any other rules? Catch your eye before we get off the rules? Real quick, they are continuing to discuss whether kickoffs will go away.

They have not proposed anything yet, but their data tells, again, the competition committee said that despite recent rule changes aimed at enhancing safety, injury data reveals that kickoffs remain in area of concern. Mark, can you imagine football without kickoffs? I just think there are kickers out there who have been, they've hung around

because they're kickoff specialists. And I think of a guy back in the day like Josh Cribs who made his entire career out of returning kicks. And those guys don't belong in the league anymore if they take that away. You lose certain types of athletes. You sort of are losing those guys almost naturally now because the kickups are so

less important. They did make the rule permanent that they're kicking off. from, what is it, the 30 now, or 35, so that you won't see many balls getting taken out. They also did change that rule where you no longer have to kick an extra point after winning the game in overtime, which is nice.

That feels like house cleaning. That was the house clean. The desert people might have an issue with it. They do. They will. You mentioned that, and I thought it was really interesting, and Ian Rappaport made sure to ask Adele about this in his press conference about the gambling presentation

that happened at the league meetings and Goodell kind of played it off like we've talked about the impact of gambling for years, but it's different. There's a Supreme Court case coming up about legalizing sports gambling and the NFL and other leagues are starting to get prepared for

how is this going to change our world and I think it's going to be a bigger and bigger story over the next couple. One thing for you, you play a little bit of Madden, and Dan. Is that true? Yeah, occasionally. You take kickoffs out of any sort of video game version of football. I think that's a bit of a lot.

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Do it. Big trade, Mark. Another name on the back of that Browns jersey with all the QBs has been sent away in the cowboy era of your new GM, Cody Kessler, history traded to the Jaguars for a conditional seventh round pick, which is basically the, what do they call it? The last pick in the draft is Mr. Irrelevant in terms of draft trades, or in terms of a trade, anytime a conditional seventh round pick is involved, that's the Mr. Irrelevant of a trade. so Cody Kessler, congratulations. Well, the writing was on the wall when they signed Drew Stanton after obtaining Tyrod Taylor. You know they're going to draft one, maybe even two quarterbacks.

And so farewell, Cody Kessler. Not the worst starter during his rookie season. I was going to say, it's not like he was. They're not trading way young Bernie Kosar or anything, but did that kid ever have a chance? Well, this was another quarterback that Hugh Jackson when he was a rookie said, I sat down with him, you know, this is my guy. You know, you've got to believe me on this. And it's how many times are you going to say that about it?

Well, he's an example you have to look beyond the numbers because if you just looked at his numbers from his rookie year, it stacks up pretty comparably with just about any rookie quarterbacks over the last four or five years. And he's not that guy. He played pretty well. He's not that great. And I asked Doug Marone about their backup position

because at the time I asked him was Tuesday morning. They literally didn't have anyone else on the roster. And he says, that is something we talk about every single day. That is a daily conversation. I bet. Whether that's in free agency or the draft, and I think the Jaguards, I might have mentioned it before on this show.

I think they are a big-time sleeper or candidate to move up or at least draft a quarterback with their first pick. If that happens, that would make sense. If it doesn't happen, Cody Kessler, not a bad landing spot with Blake Bortles, the guy at the top of the depth chart. Another trade, Sue Cravens, traded to the Broncos by the Redskins. A fifth round pick goes back to Washington. This, according to NFL Network's Tom Pellas.

The team's also swapped fourth and fifth round picks. Your thoughts, Greg? Yeah, it's good to see Pallisero getting in the insider mix. Like that? Yesterday I just saw sort of Ian and Pelliserro like kind of huddled in the corner like swapping information just like seemed like in Orlando. I feel like it was in that mix though. He was in that mix.

Yeah, no, I'm just saying, I don't know. It seems like it could be like a show like insiders. They're friends, but they're also competing. They like each other, but they secretly. I clearly don't have that much to say on. Sue a Cravens, who looked pretty good. I think he had a lot of potential when he played for Washington. I think the Broncos had wanted him all off.

It's a low-risk move and could pay off for them. And by the way, I did the ATN Media Insider also did break some news yesterday. Greg, you're always coming after me. I did check out my Twitter account. If you want to know less needs hair product, what he uses to make that golden mane shine, go to my Twitter feed. Inside day. Hands are, hand for the truth, go to the zoos. Get him.

The dolphin. It's like 40 bucks, by the way. Yeah, well, when you actually ask Les Sneat about it, he's one comment, he didn't even know what it was. He just said, it's expensive, he said. It's Cango Feather, tenacious. He played it off like he just used whatever's there. That feels like it comes from another country other than America.

And I do get these tweets a lot, because people ask about my redkin, work hard. styling paste. What kind of products should I use? A lot of people use, like, the really thick type epoxy almost. No, go with more like a cream. Something a little lighter, put it in there so your hair doesn't get too stiff. Isn't it different, everyone's hair type, you know, deserves different types of... If they're trying to have your hair use...

I don't believe anybody should put that really thick junk into their hair. That's just, people ask me, that's my response. Like a sort of like a 1994, like British rave scene person where it's so, spiky exactly and uh finally we're moving one of the other announcements at the owner meetings uh was that uh the NFL media west coast offices will be moving to the new rams and charges facility i i i you know mark we've been here for eight years almost it'll be sad to see this old girl uh go including our commutes it's a yeah i mean i i you know this is a very rare thing in Los Angeles.

This feels like, you know, small town Maine or something, but I can literally walk to work and that is, I could still walk. You can look at the police helicopters over here. But I would probably be late almost every day by quite a few hours. We already work in Maine, just down at the dock. Temposi, you're from New Hampshire. Am I wrong? Some people can, they can work close to home.

I mean, yeah, you can work kind of any, yeah. Just walk down to the dock, get on the boat, go catch some lobsters. You know, Kenny Bunkport. In Maine, you know, come back, get drunk, go back home, call it a day. That's what I do here. Okay. And if you want to hear more about, we drop some nugs about the coaches breakfast. Greg Rosenthal wrote a column.

You can check it out at NFL.com slash Rosenthal. Do you want to share one other tidbit from your column or do you just want to point in that way and we'll keep moving? Share a tidbit. Share a tid. I think this isn't from the column, but I think Matt Patricia is becoming. I saw that shirt. I mean, that was, there's a palm tree. Loose, he's loose.

And I think Pete Carroll very much noticed that he was, you know, at the table near McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan. And not as many people around the Carroll table anymore. And I think he's noticing this. He's seeing everyone kind of forget about the Seahawks. And as you say noted, I think he's noting this. And you know what, though? You also wrote that he was. typically chipper and using that type of Pete Carroll language.

Even more with a little bit of an edge. I think I buy it to that that's legitimate. I think he was getting worn down by that group. And he's going to get a little bit of a fresh start this year. And I can see why he'd be a little, there's no talk of retirement now. He's a little, he was ready to move some of these guys. I think that's true. And he's gone through so many different phases of his life and he's achieved it now at the highest level at the NFL.

I think he likes the idea of this. All right, one more try to go up the mountain with a new group, and that helps him kind of get a little more. I liked reading what the Boston Globe said about Belichick, who, you know, infamously brushes off anyone who works in the field of journalism. It said that he says absolutely, this is of him at the breakfast, he says absolutely nothing of interest. He scoffs at legitimate questions.

This year, instead of sitting at a table like the 31 other head coaches, he made reporters stand and former circle around him, ostensibly to ward off other reporters floating around the room. Was that Benvolent? I would have to go check that. I believe it was. I mean, it's just, there was a lot of outrage about his behavior at this breakfast, which is not a new theme.

You know, that little tone, I think, needs to come down. But to that, I agree with you, great, but also, you know, set a table. I mean, that's all I'd say. I think you said it well. All right. Let's move on and dig into the, uh, rest of our interviews from Orlando starting with Andy Reid who is entering his sixth year as the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs it was great to talk to Mr. Reed so let's listen in

all right here we are head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs entering his 20th year as a head coach which is a third of his life I did my research Andy Reid you've been in the game a long time how do you do it 20 straight years as a head coach yeah um have good people around me that help us win games. So good players, good coaches. Do you feel like coming to this event, you know, when you take that picture, the big coaches picture, you've always got the Hawaiian shirt on during that picture. You ever kind of think now having coming back to this for like 20 years, like you're like the godfather of this NFL coaching community. You look around and you see, you know, Ron Rivera and Doug Peterson and Sean McDermott,

and the list goes on and on of all these guys kind of that you've coached. Yeah, that goes back to that first question right there. I've been fortunate to have those guys on staff, and they've been phenomenal and have allowed us to win a lot of games. And that's not even including the players. I mean, we've had great players, too. But very fortunate to do what I do. I mean, when you can sit here and you guys are in this,

same boat here that there's only 32 of you in the whole world and that's something and to be able to go through as many games as I've been lucky enough to go through is incredible great experience the godfather i like that though yeah is that something you'd be cool with that catching on in league parlance yeah that's fine just watch out what you say because you might lose a lake i mean do you do you take advantage of that you swing your influence around you know these are guys that used to, you know, work with you. They all still sort of look up to you as the boss. Well, I was about one in four this season against them.

So I wasn't slinging around too much against them. But no, listen, I obviously people will bounce things off you just because you've been around a while. And those guys I've got great relationships with. We've continued to do things together. Doug Peterson and I had dinner last night. So, I mean, we stay in touch. and are always communicating.

And so they'll ask me a few things. You bring up Doug Peterson. It's obviously spent all those years in Philly, and you had a great, great run there. Doug gets over the hump, their first Super Bowl. What was it like watching the Eagles win a Super Bowl? It was phenomenal. It was phenomenal.

I was so happy for that city and for the organization. When we were there, we were so close. But we never got over that. And for Doug to come in and to be able to lead him the way he led him in a lot of different areas, I just thought was tremendous for Howie Roseman to kind of get back in the pitcher and to be able to reestablish himself, I thought was good. And then for Jeffrey, who I've stayed very close with since leaving. And I was close with him when I was there.

So we had a great relationship and very happy for Jeffrey and his family. You got real close in 2002. you faced John Gruden and the Bucks. He's back in your division. What is it like to have John Gruden back in the NFL as a coach? I think it's great for the NFL. And not that he was too far away, in particular with all the shows he was doing in quarterback camp

and all that stuff. But to have him back is a neat deal. And John is a good football coach, most of all. And that's really what he wants to do. He did the other thing because he had been excused from his job at Tampa and then was good at that too. Very few guys can be Hall of Fame quality in two different positions, and he's been able to do that. I was excused from my job at ShopRite, my first job. I was excused a couple other times.

I like that terminology as well. Excuseed, yeah. I mean, listen. You were saying you used to work at Dodgers Stadium. We were talking just before we went on. You're a Dodgers fan. What did you do? What did you do there?

Were you excused for me? I didn't really worry. I played Little League Baseball, well, Pony League Baseball right across the parking lot. So every once in a while you get a ticket and you could sell the ticket, that type of thing. So, you know. Going back to Gruden and he stepped away, as we know, you, 20 straight years as a coach, did it ever cross your mind during these two decades? Like, where you're like, maybe I do want to sit out a few years, make a ton of money sitting in a booth and talking about. the game or were you always single-minded that I'm a football coach and this is what I do.

Yeah, man, I love doing what I'm doing. Very fortunate to do what I do. I love every day I have a chance to go in. Listen, I mean, you're going to lose some. You're going to win some. And we've been fortunate to win more than we've lost. But the ones that we've lost, I still, I'm going to bring energy. And I challenge the players with that. So I'm not going to give you too much. But I mean, I'm not great in this setting. You're doing great. It's also 9.30 in the morning for those. You know, you were going to go head out and... This is lunchtime, right?

So I come in and I'm a challenge of them. Listen, if I'm not bringing it, let me know, man. And so far no one's said anything. You know, you paid, you know, a premium for Patrick Mahomes and you know what the price is for young quarterbacks around the league. Were you surprised as sort of the general NFL public was about the 49ers getting Jimmy Garoppel for such a low price tag? Yeah, I'm sure there's more to it than that.

There's always something behind the scenes. Bill's a shrewd guy, and he's been doing it a long time. The bottom line, they did get a second-round pick for him, and he's got Tom Brady, who's going to play until he's 65. Anyway, so I wasn't that shocked, I think, though, that he's a good football player, and he's in the perfect situation. Shannon's a heck of an offense of mind, and that could be really something special for the 49ers and 49er fans.

Andy, I'm a Jets fan, so with the Tom Brady playing another 24 years, can we just like keep that to a minimum, that type of contact. Yeah, but you're fixing to get a quarterback here, so that'll be good. It looks like it could happen. You gave up, you know, a lot to get Alex Smith, and then you got a lot when you traded away Alex Smith. Like, what did Patrick Gahombs show you in practice that you would feel, confident trading Alex after such a great season that he had for you.

Yeah, well, to be able to let Alex go like that, he had to show us something, right? Because Alex was putting together a phenomenal year and a phenomenal five years, really, with the Chiefs. And no better than this year right here. And I still thought he hadn't tapped out yet, so it reached his cap. So the thing that we had a chance to do with Mahomes, was he got to play against in that Denver game. So myself and Mike Kafka worked with him

as Matt Nagy, Brad Chilers, and Alex worked on the playoff teams and getting ready for those. So I had an opportunity to work firsthand with Patrick and Mike, who also got promoted in this whole deal, Kafka, it's a quarterback coach, and it was just so smooth. And we went in that game.

They played their starters now, Denver did. They were starting defense. And I went into that game feeling like we could score any time and once we got in there i felt the same thing he gave he gave you that confidence and and uh he made some plays that you saw him do these no look throws that he doesn't practice so we kind of go out it's practice he starts doing those in the game i'm going whoa okay that's something special so uh he hadn't done anything yet though that was that was that one game um and he's got to continue to grow here so but he's wired the right way great kid uh and and

And I told him this that he could buy Alex Smith a castle, and that wouldn't be enough to pay Alex Smith back for being in that room and learning from him. Yeah. Alex did a phenomenal job with him, and their relationship was very, very close. One of the deeper Internet searches with Andy Reed is the utility belt that you wear on Sundays, that everyone wants to sort of know. What is happening with that belt? What sort of technology is involved there? Well, there's a lot of material on that. Just to get around the whole thing.

And the league has gotten bigger with their hardware there. So that doesn't help me at all. And they've now put zippers in the jackets on the side. You've got three zippers on a jacket. That just doesn't make any sense. And with today's technology. Have you ever searched this on? There's like tons of articles about the belt that you wear.

People have, there's a lot of sort of JFK-level conspiracy. It's a super, yeah, Superman and me. Right. The internet is weird. We have the belt. How weird is it to see the guy who dresses up as you? Yeah, he came to training camp, and I let him do the press conference, which is a classic. Just to let him get the, if you're going to do it, I mean, you've got to get up here and really do it.

That's the hardest part of the job. So he handled it well. Your wife's in the room with us here. I'm wondering if she, like, agrees that are you, were you impressed by the imitation at all? She's not on mic, of course. no she's not buying it's not going to stop buying it um all right andy are you okay doing a little speed round so we get to a little bit know more about the godfather yeah fire away quick answers quick questions can we get a little eight o'clock delight there lindsay jordan or lebron um true or false game

of thrones is actually stupid never never done it greatest s nl cast member of all time Uh, Chevy Chase One NFL coach Past or present Who scares you? Vince Lombardi Would you give up a pinky toe If it guaranteed a Lombardi

Trophy in the next six years Right now Best Super Bowl halftime show ever Paul McCartney Tom Brady You're buying this? Love him, man Most embarrassing CD in your music collection

You could pass Yeah, pass, man The worst way to lose a Super Bowl Or a Super Bowl, how most people say Chipshot field goal or catch rule shenanigans Fastly Catch roll shenanigans And final question

Most famous person in your cell phone Chris Berman Wow. Interesting. Very good. That's a lot for Berman. Yeah. That's high praise. All right.

Andy Reed, best of luck to you, the season, the Godfather, all the coaches that listen to the show. You kiss the ring if you see him in Orlando this week. He's the man. Thanks, Andy. I appreciate you guys. Thanks. There you go. Andy Reid.

I like that he participated in the speed round there, 8 o'clock delight. And as he got up, which I thought was funny, a lot of things that I thought was funny but as he got up his answer what did he say about Game of Thrones Never played it never played it That was a great answer And then he said

As he's leaving the room With his wife he's like You guys are like And he's searching for it And then he goes Entourage the Entourage To which I said As always the follow-up question

Who's Turtle And like entourage has remember And we've gotten a lot In our podcast Who's you know If the ATN group is the beast It's like, all right, who's Ringo? Same thing with Entourage.

Nobody wants to be Turtle. So maybe there needs to be like a group of four where somebody doesn't get their feelings hurt. That's my takeaway. I think there are no winners in the entourage comparison. I think we all end up, you know, that when he said that, I thought that's troubling. That's troubling to me.

I actually reminded him it was Entourage. I mean, yeah, there's no one who wants to be Vinnie Chase or Vinny Chase's brother or any of that. group. It's the four biggest in the world. Yeah. It's not the Beatles. It's not three and one. Right. Right. And now the Beatles is actually four in O. I mean, Ringo's done fine for himself. I mean, I get that he's not the other

three. I'm the manager friend guy. Great. Or like, there's no great, there's no great winner. Yeah. Hey, I'm the I'm the dofist no personality star. Like, you don't want to be that guy either. But you would have you had to be one of them because the manager is like,

I think he's like a hush in real life. Turtle is Turtle. And then and you have Matt Dillon's brother. Turtle seems like he might be, well, I don't know. Is bleep bleepable? Do I have to bleep you guys every time you say that? You're the producer. You're the producer.

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tony con he's a vice president uh with the jacksonville jaguars he's also the son of shad con uh the owner of the jaguars uh this was kind of a fun conversation because other guys for coaches and sneed obviously a gm here's a guy that was working that works on the analytics side of the game, but also made it very clear in this conversation that his job doesn't stop with numbers. Let's listen to Tony Kahn. He is the senior vice president of football technology

and analytics for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Tony Kahn, what's up, Tony Kahn? Hey, thanks for having me. This is a little music, a little intro music. Pretty good. Did you do anything? I'm not too much. You know, that's been a common theme

for our EDM music is a music. Andy Reid, love it. This is why I love about football, Tony, is that you, I mean, you have analytics in your title, senior vice president, very smart man. I once got a 39 on a state-mandated math test in high school, and yet here we are sitting together, brought together by pigskin. Isn't that nice? It is awesome. Football brings people from all over the world together. You know, when I think about how far the Jaguars have come in the last calendar year, I picture you in the booth with the fist pump.

your phone most have blown up after that right my phone blows up after games a lot and especially after a playoff game and especially after a playoff win you know phone's going to blow up a lot but definitely that day it blew up a lot um what's funny about that is i swear tom and dave were going nuts like right before the camera came on and they both just like sat down and completely were deadpaned as soon as they flashed up it was like almost like they were in on the jean you know so yeah i want to get to the point in my career where i can just call like a head coach and a general manager, Tom and Dave, you know. And everyone will know what I'm talking about.

Just like, oh, yeah, Tom and Dave. Oh, Tommy. That's when you made it. That's when you made it. Yeah, if I ever just went up, if I saw the commissioner, I'd like, hey, Rog, what's up? He's like, you're fired. Move on, move on. You know, from the early summer days, a lot of guys, especially on your defense,

we're saying, stop thinking that we're the old Jaguars. We're going to make an impact this season. We're a Super Bowl contender. And I remember writing articles and, you know, you want to give them their due, but thinking, where is all this confidence coming from upstairs? Were you guys feeling the same way? Felt really good about it going to this year. You know, we took a lot of steps.

I mean, from the top down, we could talk about, obviously, you know, Tom Coughlin coming in, you know, he is, to the point you're just making, he is somebody who I can just say the name Tom, and you know, you will know what I'm talking about. I think everyone in football knows who that is, and he came in and made a huge impact on the building and just change the culture so much. Doug Marone had been there.

And I think one of the things that's really cool about the Jags story is a lot of people, you know, came in and helped us build this up, heavy hitters like, you know, Tom Coughlin, Callias Campbell, AJ. But, you know, also there's a lot of people that were there, suffering through it for a lot of years and sweating and suffering to put it together. And a lot of people worked really hard through a lot of tough. years. So, you know, Doug had been there. And before he was a head coach, he'd been there for a couple years as the assistant head coach and offensive line coach. Todd Wash had been

there for years and I worked really closely with him. And you could tell the defense was taking steps. In 2016, on defense, you know, in terms of yards per play, we ranked third in the NFL in 2016. We only won three games, but we ranked third in the NFL in yards per play, which is just ahead of the Seahawks. And then we were ranked fifth in yards. yards per pass attempt net yard net yards per pass attempt uh so we're doing a good job in coverage uh and you know we step that up you know we went from third in uh yards per play to second uh basically tied for first it was like a you know and then uh yards for pass you up at night that yeah yeah yards per pass attempt we uh we went uh you know from fifth in the league to first

we went from just under six yards per pass attempt to just under five yards per pass time so basically from great to like all time great and but the things are in 2006 we ranked 18th in sacks and our sack rate was like 5.7% and we nearly doubled it to about 10% and finished second in sack rate. So to go from 18 to second in sacks, okay, so we'd been doing a good job in coverage and overall in defense there were signs, but that was huge. Okay, turnover percentage. We were 32nd in turnover percentage, dead last in 2016. And we knew they were going to come and like I said, you bring in heavy hitters like Callias and AJ and they're going to come and we had a great rookie class in 2016.

Those guys all stepped up their game, you know, Jalen, Yannick, and Miles. And then, you know, so that we nearly tripled our turnover rate from 2016 to 2017. So we knew that we were going to be a lot better. And I think everybody was. I feel like Tony did not get a 39 on a state mandated math test. No, probably 99. I mean, it's interesting.

Obviously, you come with a lot of numbers and you're in your title. And the analytics and football, and we were, Wes and I were talking over a lunch. about this how it was slower to kind of take hold in football than it was in baseball and there's still on some level you know crusty corners of the NFL where it's like oh no it's not about the analytics it's about being there in person and it's about the human touch but teams like jacksonville and we see in philadelphia uh it's about melding it right ultimately it's it's about both i it is about both like i'm a football guy like i don't think it would work if i wasn't i mean my goal whether i'm with you guys or tom cofflin or doug morone is to be insightful enough that you

you forget that I'm the owner's son. And, you know, just think that I am a football person talking to you about, in this case, usually about stuff that in some way relates to the statistics and how they are applied to the game of football. And so, you know, I spend a lot, I mean, I'm, and you guys have probably seen me there. I'm sitting in those hard metal stands at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama every year. I was in the, I was standing in a urinal at Mobile Alabama at the Lad People Stadium. A lot of stories start that way. And that is, it's like Playboy After Dark we're doing here.

And so, no, it was like, I was looking at a poster. And I was like, it was an event in 2014. And I was like, good Lord, I've been here four times since the last time they changed the posters in the men's room. So, yeah, I love football. And I don't think it works if, you know, if you don't go all in in terms of trying to be a part of the culture and working with the coaching staff and the scouts. it tough and obviously your regime i'm not specifically talking about do you have you founder of you in your experience that it could be tough to talk to people that are more scout based and more be there in person i mean dave and i have been working together since 2013 uh you say you work

with todd wash so closely like what does that even entail the defensive coordinator what do you like how are you working together i spent a ton of time with him in the off season like looking at players and every week, like, you know, and I spend a lot of time with various coaches, but Washer and I have been working together for years. He, you know, he's been in Jacksonville since 2013. So I've been working with him on a weekly basis for, you know, five years now and going to our, you know, it's been a long tenure. And Dave Caldwell has been the general manager of the team since the beginning of 2013. So again, like, we've been working really closely together and, you know, we've had a number of good drafts. People come

up to me and ask me, is free agency always this crazy in the NFL? I've been following it this year more than ever. And it's like, is it always this crazy? And I'm like, no, it's not because the 2014 draft class was one of the all-time great draft classes. So across the league, it's going to be a great free agency four years out. For us, you know, 2016 was a great draft class for us. And 2014 was also a great draft class. So, you know, the four years out from that, there's always going to be things. Hopefully you get guys done in three years. Sometimes it happens. But anyway, working in football, I think absolutely, like, you know, you have to, building relationships and building trust and, like, being able to, you know, kind of have repetitive stuff where people understand what you're talking about, whether, on both sides, whether I'm talking about a statistic or whether they're using a football term, where we don't have to, like, give a two-page explanation every time we say it because we do this every week. And so we know what we're talking about on both sides.

So I know some football and they know some stats. I think to your point, like your Instagram account, you put out very easy, I think for football fans, but for others, very decipherable, easy to understand impactful football statistics. I mean, I looked like just like, oh, whoa, I never really realized that about the 20, at age 26, that's the player in the NFL that always has the most picks. It's like, this is, this is. Not always, not always, but like over that, that's the best, that's the age where it's gathered the most interceptions. Mark is the noted Instagram Hunter. I mean, if you need to find something on Instagram, Mark. We're Twitter first.

That's what everyone looks for. That's what everyone looks for on Instagram is stats. You know, I actually stopped. I haven't posted them in a long time. I was doing it every day. And it was just like there were some people that really liked it, but it wasn't getting as much of a response I would have liked. But for the people that liked it, I'm glad you're one of the ones that liked it.

Mark's feed is really weird too. You should check it out. A lot of alien stuff. I've seen it. I've seen Mark. I know I follow Mark. I know Mark's quite a roller coaster. All right.

Speaking of Roller Coaster, this I like to consider the crucible of this process, this interview process. It's time for what we call 8 o'clock delight, our speed round. Are you ready? I'm ready. Here we go. Hit it, Lindsay. Best Michael Jackson song. A smooth criminal.

That's an awful answer. That's an awful answer. I can't believe that's what I said. Thriller. I can't believe I said that. Because I like the LA was grew up in the alien ant farm, like kind of when all that stuff was big. And I don't know I said that. That was a bad answer.

I'm not, I like Michael Jackson, but it's not. And we're done. That's it. Here we go. Most famous person in your cell phone? Bill Belichick. Nice, nice pull. What's one thing most people don't know about your starting quarterback?

I think a lot of people might know this, but I don't know if everyone knows it, that Blake is like one of the greatest, most down-to-earth, chill guys you're ever going to meet. He's a dude. Tom Brady. Are you buying this? I've been on Tom Brady since he was at Michigan. I grew up in Champaign, Illinois, and I knew Tom Brady was good when Tom Brady was good when Tom Brady. he was at Michigan.

He held off Drew Henson, one of the all-time great recruits. So not buying it. I've been buying it for 20 years. Least deserving best picture winner, Crash or Shakespeare in Love? Crash. Best uniform in the NFL? The Jaguars. Sopranos are bad men.

Sopranos is the best show of all time. Very nice. Take it easy with all the superhero movies, not what I mean? Yeah. Biggie or Tupac? Tupac. More masculine, changing attire. opening a jar. Tire.

Last one. What does Tony Kahn get up to when it's time for a little me time? It really depends. I'll binge watch some stuff, but mostly like stats. I don't have that much me time because in addition to this, I'm also the general manager of a soccer team that's doing very well. So, Mark, you were at one of your games. When the Jaguars played the bills a couple years ago, a fellow writer here, Connor Norni, you guys were nice enough to, uh, was that the writing game? It was, I wish I knew more about the details that happened. We came back in one, four to two. It was, yeah, I believe there was quite a, quite a comeback. No, listen, and it was a little foggy for Mark. No, it was the, honestly the first soccer guy I'd ever been to, and it was

and it was an incredible experience. That stadium is unlike anything I'd ever experienced. So, it's so, it's so, like, intimate. The cottage is one of the greatest, the cottage is one of the greatest facilities in sports. It's one of the greatest stadiums. And we share birthdays, 10-10. So there's a lot of great tent. Brett Farrv also. Ben-Farv. Gino Smith is a real All of the greats. Now that Ryan Frederick's from Florida. If Gito's in the mix, I'm

buying. All right, Tony Con, best of luck to the Jaguars this season. And I just wanted to let you know that the 39 that I got. Like before we get judgy, it was a difficult test. And I'd like to see how you do that. It's out of 100, though. Math is hard. That's tough.

That's tough. It's pointing to that. Thanks. Thanks for having me. Yeah, exactly. All right, Tony Ga. I thought that was one of the more unique conversations that we had. And I think it was funny because I don't think that Tony Khan, he thought it was going to come in and be sort of a radio interview

and these lights burning and I think he was sort of wondering what's happening here. But by the time we got through it, I realized this guy, he is better than Dan is at math, a lot better. That was my main takeaway. Well, he should have been confident. He had a sweet. That was your main takeaway. Well, it was one of my takeaway.

He had a sweet jags leather coat. which is a risky move in the humid Orlando weather. But I thought it looked great. And I like that he pointed it out that he's also a general manager of a soccer team. Like that's not a minor side job. No. He's a busy man. Yeah.

So they go. Those are our take away. Those are our interviews from Orlando. It was great, great doing that, going to the meetings. I think it was fun because we got to all be there together, but also you're getting these coaches and all these figures during. during kind of a nice time in the NFL calendar and everyone's kind of has not been ground down to a pulp as if you were doing it, I don't know, Mark, in December.

So with you, it was a very different type of way. A lot of them were with their wives and their kids. I mean, yeah, it was nice. They got out in about. I mean, what, you guys got, you know, Mark got a little ground down there by the end, I feel like. We, when I left, I was ready to leave, but I had quite an enjoyable time.

Yeah, we, it ended for Mark and on. I with, because we flew out on Tuesday, but we went to all of us. We all went to the big party, which was on this big, great lawn on the grounds of the writs. And it was the most star-studded NFL party you all ever attend because it has every head coach, every owner, GMs, their wives, their kids. And it's just a really interesting party for there to be an open bar at. and I will thank Mark because Mark, this is where Mark shines these events. Two big Sessler-related takeaways.

I turned my head at one point, and I see Mark at the bar in full conversation and pointing in my direction. I'm like, who's he talking to? It's like Mike McCagnon. Well, I know you wanted to talk to him and like you at one point during the week saw Mike McCagnan.

And like the 12-year-old Dan, this was at like an earlier cocktail party at some point. And the 12-year-old Dan came out. He just goes, Mike McAggen. Mike McAggen. like across the room and he turned and looked yeah and see who came from but that was just involuntary

and then we had a very nice that three of us had a nice conversation with Big Mac who said hey after the draft I'd love to come on the show he's a super nice guy and then Greg I don't know if you remember this at the after after party at the bar

you know at this point it's getting a little hazy and I'll tell you it was a rough airplane ride home for the old Zusser the next morning But I'm looking for Mark, and then in the corner, back corner of this bar, where the walls intersect and strategically, so no one else can come into the circle, is a group that included Sean Peyton, help me out, Mark. Sean McVe, John McVeigh, Doug Marone, Mike Tarrico, and then there's Mark. And I see Mark just with this big grin on his face, like in the minute, and everyone's much bigger than you.

Oh, well, Sean McVeigh is not. He's maybe thicker than I am, but he's not a lot taller than it. By the way, either is like putting his arm around you. Peron had his arm around me at one point. Like, I was a little kid. He's like, I love this guy. He was, right, wasn't he calling you like his little buddy? And like, he's only like eight years older than you.

But he was like your little friend. Can you share, if you can recall, can you share anything from that's, or was that more like a circle of trust situation? And we'd respect that. No, what I'd tell you is none of them seemed to really be talking about football at the time that I was there, which I thought was awesome. They were, I forgot what the subject was, but they were off on a riff about something else entirely, and that's what I was fascinated by it.

It really wasn't like, oh, yeah, the 3-4 defense is actually just a blend of the four, three, three-four, it's like, whatever. It was like they were off on some other. At that, I would not expect a lot of football talk. I think they love kind of getting to know each other as talking about everything else because they lead such unique lives. It's like Patricia, we saw Patricia and Belichick and their wives, or in Belichick's case girlfriend.

I mean, they were hanging out right until the end of that party, just like the four of them at a table. And, you know, I'm sure they're just talking life. You can tell they've been on a few double dates. Not talking ball, but, yeah, they're getting along great. They got along great. There was no ugly divorce there, clearly. And, you know, we did not, Dan and I were the only two humans at the party that decided

to leave our credential in the room. And we were tracked by security. At one point, someone crossed the entire, like, 400-yard lawn, track us down and say, you're out. You don't belong here. And we had to try to convince him, here's Dan's Twitter page. He does belong to the media. Obviously, it's not like, you can't pull it, don't you know who I am.

But I had to take out the Twitter. And I was like, look, this is me in the photo in an NFL studio. This is a blue check mark. I am not. And they were just, they weren't like, they were just disappointed with us. It was just one of those. You guys are idiots. We're just disappointing with the two of you.

It was fun, though. And I won't say one like nugget, one of those blind items in the post. One NFL head coach zigzagging, trying to hold himself up with chairs leaving the party. He was definitely grabbing some trees and things on the way. And the only thing I'll say is this. And this, you have to be a head coach. You've got to be able to resilient. He was at that on his breakfast at 7 a.m. the next morning,

answering the hard questions. So it was a fun event. And we hope to be back next year. And thanks to Mark Brady, who works behind the scenes for us, helping set that up. He did such a great job for us. So that's it. All the coaches got to that 7 a.m. breakfast.

It was not you guys, but Marone and Peyton and McVeigh, they were all there. Wasn't hungry. Daddy just had to survive on Tuesday morning. One last thing, a little breaking news from Mark Sessler. Mark, the floor is yours. Well, I will not be here all next week. I will be in Italy and Germany. Huba-ha-ha-ha.

Covering an NFL-USO event. It's starring, by the way. I will be spending time with Rex Ryan the entire week. So I'm going to see how that goes. I'm going to call you guys. I'll leave you guys a few voice. Yeah, we'd love to get some dispatches from Root. And I would love...

And who are the players on it? You got Mark Ingram, Latavius Murray, Carlos Dunlop. A few others, those liners. Can I ask one request? Sure. Because you know I have a soft spot in my heart for Rex Ryan. Just give him a fresh start. Just to hit the reset button going into the...

I actually already have after spending our Sundays with Rob Ryan on Sky Sports. So Rex got it by fall. I really saw them as sort of as a group annoyance to me, and then I realized I was wrong. Well, we're very excited for you, Mark, because that checks all the cesspool. boxes gets you out of the grind of your daily life gets you on the road in a way by yourself and you're traveling the world this is what you really want to do to do it and still have a paycheck coming from the NFL it's a cessant it's a bit of a coup d'etat a violent coup d'etat all right so stay alive don't go into any war zones or anything weird I think we're going to be careful

we're going to be with u.s. military the entire time and protected by them all right good so mark will be with the USO with the USO next week. That's great. On Monday's show coming up, Steve Weish of NFL Network makes his around the NFL podcast debut and it's been too long. We miss her.

Connie Fox, Colleen will be in a for a couple shows next week because Wes also will be out for someone next week. He's on vacation, as I said. He's going to be like a Reds beat reporter by the end of next week. I'm not coming back. I fell in love with the national pastime again.

That's Wes. Do you want to explain the rundown picture? I sent a picture of it to Colleen and she said, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha for like 10 pages. Which one? Your rundown. Oh, this one, yeah. I send a rundown in the morning when we go into a show with what we're going to talk about. And it's a photo of Erica Tamposi, dressed like the little boy from Radiohead.

Okay, computer, Paranoid Android. And then Katie Nolan, I'm a big fan of hers over at ESPN. And then Connie Fox holding a camera. I think Eric is a big fan of Katie Nolan. I'll send this photo out for the listeners. That's from the Mall of America. correct that is yeah that's my camera calling it's my assistant i like that yeah Erica was good having you uh producing the show thank you thanks for having me guys

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