NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Antonio Brown Trade Scare, Case Keenum to Redskins and Trash Takes

Episode Date: March 8, 2019

Big breaking news with Dan Hanzus kicks off the show following the Case Keenum trade and the missed connection between Antonio Brown and the Bills before a room filled with heroes – Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler are joined by Patrick Claybon to talk Odell Beckham Jr on the Browns dark web (21:15) and the end of the Boogermobile. A fan favorite returns when Patrick breaks down his trash takes(49:27).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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so big news happened in the last 12 hours so the three of us are going to take you through it three big news items then we'll throw to the show that we taped originally yesterday that has your boy trash take man Patrick Claibon with Wes and Greg and Mark

I was with my parents we keep pulling you away from your vacation this is two times in like 72 hours Brian 30 bro a little peek behind the curtain but we had that tape You know, it's all in the can. It's beautiful.

We're going to take out the Antonio Brown section, but there's plenty of good stuff. Plenty of trashy takes. Mark bans a few words. And so why throw that whole show out? But we should talk the big stuff. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. That's what they say.

Right. I mean, who would even consider that except for monsters? Right. Don't throw out a baby. Don't throw out your babies. Literally a psychopath. Something like that. Bad human idea.

Anyway, let's get into it. Why are we doing this? Because we've got to talk Antonio Brown, the drum. a couple of years ago it was this one i need west here uh there was the uh the basketball uh free agent news uh it was regarding a big man as i recall and everyone was going crazy and there were gifts and videos of players on banana boats together and recruiting going on on twitter and it was a great snapshot of nbaa twitter and how fun it could be NFL we got a nice little fun exciting twitter evening and it all

happened because NFL network insider Ian Rappaport reported that the Pittsburgh Steelers were quote closing in on a deal to trade Antonio Brown to the bills to the bills and that led to let's be honest a lot of derision chuckles a lot of oh Antonio got got the Steelers did he lived in Buffalo I can I can imagine the Mark Sessler of Buffalo being very annoyed during that one hour yeah people were just slam on the city of Buffalo. And I'm sure people who came hard with the laughs at Buffalo's expense. I caught some fire. I didn't go after Buffalo. But what I was laughing at or what I was commenting on Twitter because everybody had a couple tweets was just how horrendous the fit was. And it was just a disaster if it was going to happen.

Well, it looks like it's not going to happen because we had reports that Antonio Brown, who he himself tweeted fake news immediately after Ian's story broke. the Pittsburgh Post-Gazettes Jerry Doolak reported that Brown the Brown deal fell apart because Brown refused to go to Buffalo. And this trade is not going to happen now. Adam Schaeft are also reporting that it's not going to happen. Bill's GM, Brandon Bean confirmed it, stating the team, quote, inquired about Antonio Brown, but ultimately it didn't make sense for either side. Greg, a lot of drama, a lot of chatter, a lot of fun, but ultimately Antonio Brown is still looking for a team. Yeah, you know, in a wasted couple paragraphs I had, you know, starting my

winners and losers of this trade. Josh Allen, no longer a winner. No, I stopped it pretty soon because it didn't take too long into the night, as you mentioned, because there's a lot of people that went to sleep, probably thought Antonio Brown was on the bills. But it really didn't take that long until some doubts started to be sprinkled, including from Antonio Brown, as you mentioned. And it's just a reminder in these trade situations. And I think the same can be true in a lot of them, but especially this Antonio Brown one. They have control. You can say they don't have control,

but especially Antonio Brown, who's made a lot of money and isn't afraid to be a pain in the butt, can just make it clear immediately. No freaking way. And I think that's what happened here. And that's why you feel for Ian on some level, because I think if Antonio Brown was fine with it,

it really does sound like the team obviously. The bills obviously wanted them. They obviously had the best offer. And now you just wonder what the Steelers are going to do. Yeah, I mean, the bills were, It's one of the rare non-trades where both teams involved come out looking less powerful and with more mud on their face. Because Pittsburgh, not every player can do this, but Antonio Brown is going to control where he goes because he doesn't need football. So he's only going to go to the place he wants or he'll not play football at all.

He says that and he said it again and it sounds like he stopped this trade and the bills weren't willing to call his bluff. right like they could they could but if you're the bills yeah do you want that he had told darlington uh jeff darlington or old co-worker last week if they want me to play they're going to play by my rules and if not i don't want this honestly who would want this guy on their team i the things that he says it just sounds like and he's a 30 year old wide receiver that's a different conversation but this whole episode to me continues to not shine a flattering light on brown but also it does it is interesting how in the NFL, if you are at a certain level of stardom, you can dictate where you go, despite the NFL being all-powerful

and the teams seeming to have holding the cards at the times. The players, especially the star ones, have power. I mean, even David Irvin, who's walking away from the Cowboys, had an Instagram live story last night where he was smoking a massive blunt and basically said, I'm done. I said, I'm not a millier. I'm not rich, but I don't need football anymore. And it's a different world.

That's how I want you to go out, Mark. Oh, absolutely. I thought it was a fascinating. look behind the curtain of David Irvin's life. But honestly, the one thing I thought about with Buffalo, because I do feel for, like, the Bill's fandom and the whole situation with Buffalo on this, because if you restarted the NFL from scratch today,

it's one of those teams that would never, ever have a franchise. No one would ever look to Buffalo to start an NFL team. But there was a competitive disadvantage when you are in free agency, when you try to convince star players to come to Western New York where it's four degrees. six months a year. There's very little to do other than pound beers

in your basement. I mean, it's like that's the opposite of Miami. And I thought it made sense for them, you know, on a football-wise, you know, you have Robert Foster and Zay Joe.

I mean, you're upgrading Antonio, like replacing Kelvin Benjamin with Antonio Brown would be like replacing Josh Allen with Ben Rathesberger or something. You know, it's like, so, like, I don't mind them

trying to improve their team. I don't think they lose anything with egg on their face. It's annoying for the fans. my thing is like who's stepping up here one of the interesting things is the second this trade went down then there were some people including

Diane Rossini with ESPN that's like now that this is out and it's happened oh by the way the Packers were a really serious suitors maybe the next most serious they were trying to keep it under the radar but now that like the news is out I feel like I can you know use those sources

or whatever and so because I'm just wondering where this goes now because the Titan supposedly dropped out the Raiders I think are still in the That's, you know, we have a whole, you know, back and forth with Wes and Claibon yesterday, uh, hands is where they went at it. You would have liked it. Well, and we basically said that it was going to the Raiders. Yeah, the loss to the sands of time.

We're not going to include that anymore. A one-team race for Antonio Brown seems so long ago. Right. And just kind of making that same argument, uh, that you just said, like, who wants this guy? Someone will, but the Steelers are compromised now. This could last a while. And you're right. The bills would have made them a much better team.

he's arguably the best wide receiver in the league but if i'm a bills fan and i have empathy for bills fans as a sad jet's fan um you shouldn't be too bummed about this because it would not have been a good fit if it they they were able to make it happen and he he they called his bluff and antonio brown decided he he did want to play football make millions even if he'd be unhappy it probably would have ended up in it with a huge headache so there's that that's the positive spin for for a bills fan uh but now we'll find out what happens next the pitts The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports the Steelers are still talking with, quote, several teams, and there is no, quote, hard and fast deadline of Friday.

So they've lost all control. The whole thing is a complete. We're setting deadlines. Come to us with your offers with a nice red ribbon around it, and we'll decide what we want to do. No, you won't. You nailed it. You're loving this as a Browns fan.

He's loving seeing the Steelers. Well, it's, you know, listen. They're burning from within. I'm rewatching. Like I said, my parents are in town, and I'm rewatching succession. the HBO show, which I quite enjoy. The, I believe, second episode is titled, a shit show at Factor.

And I feel like that's where we're at right now with the Steelers attempt to trade their iconic wide receiver. It's a shit show at Factor. You want to move on to the next news item? Please. Case Keenham is moving again. The Redskins have acquired the quarterback, along with a 2020-7th round

pick from the Denver Broncos in exchange for a 2026th round pick, Case Keenham also gets half a mill, what they call a restructure bonus, and he'll make $7 million this year, the money that he got paid. The contract agreed to with the Broncos, and the Broncos, as you imagine, to move this man off their books after acquiring Joe Flacco, it was going to hurt. So they're going to pay half of the salary of Case Keenum. So here we go, Mark. The Redskins, who are in Alex Smith limbo slash purgatory right now, find a short-term answer. Case Keenham is Mr. Short-term answer.

And if you look at it, for what, three and a half million, four million? It's not a bad stopgap when I look at it. But I also know if you're a Redskins fan, you're probably not doing backflips. Why is Case Keenum nixing this trade and saying, I'll sit out and do nothing unless I go to the team I want? I mean, from a financial angle, fine. It checks a box.

I don't know how you could create a more underwhelming bit of news for Redskins fans outside of this. I just think they're still going to draft someone, although they still have Colt McCoy who internally they also view as a starter. It is a muddled. I don't think their quarterback room gained to me any momentum or any extra bit of talent with this.

It is one of the more depressing quarterback situations in the NFC, in the entire league, in the entire world. What it did gain, Greg, is there's some structure in place now, and we didn't have that. I guess. At the very least. Well, you have Colt McCoy is filling the same. same role that Case Keenum was.

That guy can't play more than two weeks without dislocating his shoulder. That guy is not an answer. Okay. And I do get the argument. You're right. You're just paying Case Keenum $3.5 million. And so that's fine. I mean, that's like half as much as Chase Dan is making.

That's fine. But I think Rodo Pat, Patrick Dardy at Roto World. BD. Great coach rankings article this week, by the way. You put it well. He said, how about instead of getting a bargain on Case Keenum, just not. not getting Case Keenum. Because what it does is,

there's a ceiling to Case Keenum. You know what Case Keenum is. He's on a 17th. And it's like a Hobbit's house. It's not even a normal person's house ceiling. If I'm the Redskins and you have no long, you have no long term. I want to take as many swings as I can

at just a chance at it doing better than that. And to me, Teddy Bridgewater is a chance at it doing better. Or Nick Foles or whatever. And I know maybe they would have been more expensive, but it's the quarterback position. And you have to take chances in case Keenham is not taking a chance at all. It is just accepting this low level of mediocrity. It's shooting for seven wins.

And I think you've got to take as many swings. And to me, Bridgewater is a swing. And in case Keenom is not a swing. And they probably will draft someone and that'll make it better. But if they don't, like they haven't drafted anyone under Jay Grude. Well, I could, I think you said that perfectly well. But I think you have to draft someone and then be totally open with, because I don't want to spend all offseason because we've done this with

Case Keenham, like, three times. I don't want to spend all offseason, you know, figuring out what Washington's offense with Case Keenom was like, he could easily be cut if they drafted a rookie who had a great camp and a great preseason and they love Colt McCoy. Case Keenom could be out. He's a better backup than Colt McCoy to me. He should make the team. Case Keatom, I don't want to like totally, Doc, he's a good backup.

He's fine. I mean, he is fine. There was a lot, there was a lot going on, though, in this trade. Keenham took a $10 million pay cut. I mean, he was on the books for $17 million. So he just accepted the fact that if he was a free agent. Oh, you'd never get that. He would, he's going to make, I think, what is it now,

seven and a half or $8 million this year total. And he's saying, I don't think I was going to do better than that as a free agent. He's probably right. I mean, I don't know or not. But he's just kind of accepting his lot in life. And then the Broncos, like everyone who talks to John Elway, I think, as a source or whatever it is or just loves the old. old guy, just like couldn't wait to be like, well, you got to give Elway credit.

You know, he got something for Keenham in the end. Like, I know it was a bad situation. I'm down. Please, he had to pay $4 million to get rid of the awful contract that he signed. No one was given Case Keenum guaranteed money into year or two. So that's on Elway. And then they do this little pick swap thing in 2020. What that is is to save face to the dummies out there.

That is not worth anything. You just moved up in the 2026 to the seventh round. I don't care about that at all. It's not a good deal for Denver, shut up. This lipstick on a pig is for John. I love this episode. John Elway also getting taken down. And I stand by what I said a few weeks ago.

If there was a team I wouldn't want to root for right now, it's the Redskins in this trade only. I mean, you've been consistent with that for half a decade. They had a little bit of an upswing for a minute or two. Now it's going to. I just want to say the one thing, the Teddy Bridgewater thing, can we just calm down a little bit? Just give him a chance, though.

Give him a chance. I know. And on the, okay, fair enough. Maybe they're a nine and seven ceiling team with Teddy, with Teddy. But we just don't know. What is his market now, by the way, Teddy Bridgewater? It's a tough situation. He waited all these years.

He comes back from this horrific injury. And now what is the Teddy Bridgewater's market if he's trying to get a starting job? It's not offense or bust. Yeah, it's bad timing. He needs to spend a tough run. He has to have a five, six, seven run at games as a starter some year. some year where the guy in front of him gets hurt or whatever. He's not going to have that market now.

And then that's when he could possibly ever get a starting contract. But it's not. You know, he might get more than Keenham's making right now, but not much. Do you shift into a place where you wait for a big injury and then you just move in a starter with more money? I agree with you. It's no market right now. By the way, I also stand by, and we've got to move on, but I stand by that week 17

had a strangely big impact on him. that the using let's use the Redskins as an example Teddy Bridgewater if he doesn't play in that game don't they isn't there a chance they're probably thinking Teddy's a better option right now than Case Keenham the most recycled quarterback in the league I think it's more about it in yeah I hope he's been in some similar offenses to Jay Gruden yeah that's like he's been available he's one right no one wanted Teddy last year which is a sign you know teams don't like him as much as I think all right uh finally um the job Giants and the Browns have done some business, Mark Sessler. The Browns acquired defensive end, Olivier Vernon, and a fourth round pick in this year's draft from the Giants in exchange for Guard Kevin Zitler and a 2019 fifth round pick. Interesting trade, and these are names that were connected to that saucy O'Dell Beckham trade that was buzzing around Twitter. The Browns and Beckham have been connected on Twitter.

in recent years, and it happened again. Instead, it's a one-for-one swap with a couple of mid-to-late-late-round picks. Added in. Your thoughts on the deal, Mark. I mean, the proposed Beckham swap, which we talk about later in the show, was a player-for-player deal, which was absurd. This one is the rare NFL player-for-player trade with the junkie other pick thing. I like.

I think it's the Browns wanted to move, openly wanted to move on from Kevin Zitler, who is a quality guard. but because they have Austin Corbett on the roster and they want to use their draft pick. Fair enough. And Olivier Vernon fills a need. The other guy in that O'Dell Beckham trade was a manual Ogba.

They are not excited, obviously, about the pass rusher opposite Miles Garrett. You get a 28-year-old Olivier Vernon. Everyone's saying, oh, the Browns absorbed this massive cost. Well, Zytler was costing 10, 10, and 12 million over the next three years. Vernon is under contract for two more years for 15 and 15. I like it.

It would have been a huge draft need for them otherwise. and you find out if it works or not. He also moves back to a 4-3 defense, which is more his traditional spot. Zaitler was pro football focused top pass blocking guard last year. So that to me... He's one of those guys' PFF seems to love... I think more than the Browns.

I think a lot of people... It raised eyebrows, and I'm just reading about it as it happens, because Vernon gets paid a lot of money for not a lot of production for the Giants who were desperate to move him, and they end up getting a guy that, is in some circle seen as the best in the business, at least from a pass blocking.

It seems like a big win for the Giants. I think it's a win-win. I actually would rather have Olivier Vernon because to me, these are two ultimately slight disappointments as free agent signings. They were both top 10 guys on our top 101 list when they were free agents. They both got huge deals. If the Browns are so willing to move Zeitler, they can't be that much in love with him for at least whatever their scheme is now.

Like, I don't care. Like, I know he's good, but he's been involved in these trade rumors. They must not be totally in love. Vernon is productive when he plays. He's not a big sack guy, but he's a pressure guy. He's kind of like Brandon Graham in Philadelphia. Like, he gets pressure when he plays. He's had some injuries, so there's some risk.

But he's a pass rusher that's 28. I don't think it's crazy to pay him $15 million. I like that for the Browns. And you make a good case for Zaitler on the Giants that he's a nice pickup. Let's give him a win-win. It is. The Giants needed it. And I just, I think the Giants.

So one issue with the Giants. You've now lost Olivier Vernon. You've lost the trade deadline last year, Snacks Harrison, Landon Collins has gone. To Wes's point a few days ago, name like five players on the Giants' defense. Unless you're an ultra nerd, I mean, or someone that works inside the NFL. Good luck, because it's a bunch of no-nameers. Marks on my eyes lighting up. I was like, I'll take the challenge and I'll stomp on it.

I guess this also illuminates how much money. The Browns are one of the teams with the most cap space. you could do this because Vernon is getting paid like star money. It's been nothing close to a star, but if you have the money, spend it. But you also dumped Zeitler's contract. You're really not paying that much more, and it's only for two more years. You're not taking on a five-year guaranteed contract. If Vernon was a free agent, I don't think he would do much worse than the contract he's on.

I really think he would get at 25 million guaranteed over the first two years of his deal if he was a free agent right now because if he was a free agent just looking at our list for instance malick jackson is supposed to get cut today that's not a surprise he's going to go right into our top 20 i would probably have him right around where olivor vernon would have been a top 15 to 20 free agent he would have gotten paid by someone 12 13 14 just because he's a young guy who can play to your point and yeah i agree it's a win win to your point though why why not go the draft route and take a swing on a prospect who's better and cheaper than bernan i think they i think they can because, again, this is a two-year commitment to live ever and just so we don't have to come back here.

And it'll be easy to cut. They didn't give them any. If it doesn't work out, they'll cut them next. And just so we don't have to come back here two hours from now for another emergency update to this. Greg just spilled the coffee. Malik Jackson has been cut. Okay. As has Carlos Hyde from the by the Jacksonville. Another spill by Greg, by the way.

It just happened not to be facing a laptop. The coffee was behind his laptop. My laptop was in the vicinity. That would have been horrendous if Greg's. Well, this is. sloppy ways could have cost me in a big sense. Well, this, you know, was a beautiful, you know, kind of the mug with a small opening, so barely any came out when it's come now.

All right, good, good breaking news, Convo. Thanks for coming in, Dan. Oh, no. You got a grind. You know, this news. What about me? I came in. Yeah, you, good job, too.

No, you're right. You're right. I didn't know, we didn't hear from you initially, you know, last night. Well, I was actually. The news happened, and Dan's texting me right away and, like, hey, should we? I was on a date night, and, you know, so I put the phone in the back pocket, and, like, we're driving around I get home there's like 850 texts about all this like massive breaking news like good you you got home from the date night and Simone was like where were you exactly um all right anyway

so now we're going to throw it to i step away i disappear i go into the time vortex and i'm gone i'm replaced by chris wessling and patrick claibon take it away boys the around the nfl podcast Bengals. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm here in a room overflowing with heroes. Just not the normal ones. It's Mark Sessler, Chris Wesleying, and Patrick Claibon in the house. Oh, yeah.

Hey, Greg. It's good. Mixing it up? You're Greg Zed McMahon, just like I'm Dan's. You know, a little different week. Dan out for a couple shows, but we've got Claibon here. It's kind of

the calm before the free agency storm, but a lot of people chirping out there, and that means there's just been a lot of trashy takes just kind of piling up over the last few months, and that's where the man Patrick Claibon comes in, and he just cleans up that trash. And that's what I like

to do. You know, I like to sift through society's refuse and get covered in it and have it affect my mental state and get really angry at it and then try to hold on to it. It's been a while since you've been in here, so you must have, like, a mountain of trash. It's too long, maybe since last off season. Yeah, it's been a while, but I understand.

You guys are, you know, traveling the globe, you know, falling in love, you know, creating progeny. I mean, Wes has been in love for quite a while, but yeah, he has a wedding coming up. I believe you have some wedding-related activity this weekend that you're flying off to. I have a shower in St. Louis. Yes. Why do you have to be there? Believe me, I've asked that question.

Support. There is a shower. My own family is throwing in Cincinnati, and I'm not even allowed to be there, which is how showers should be. Okay. So that's what you're doing. Tamposi, the loose cannon behind the glass, is alive and well.

She's heading out. She's heading off to a European vacation, so there's just like a lot going on. Oh, yeah. Are you packed? Are you ready? I'm half packed. I got to pack a little bit more tonight, and then I'm going to take off. I got a lot of DMs from yesterday's show.

Oh, nice. A lot of people. So now they're double ironic, right? Because it's normally, it's like, oh, yeah, I'm not that guy, but then it's like, Right. Oh, yeah, if you didn't listen to the show, yeah, we commented on the untoward, cheesy DMs you get from interested men. Yeah, I was reading through a couple of them, and one of them, that's my favorite one. I just found it this morning.

It just said, hey, comma, Patriots. suck I like that's sure far away like why are you why are you sliding into my DMs to say that are any of them creative or entertaining on any level I mean no they're kind of lame because someone's like I hope my girlfriend and my photo shows you that I'm not a creepy guy that's another yeah that's kind of another way to do it like I'm not normally someone was like I hope you know that by looking in my photo that it's me and my girlfriend you don't find me being another creepy guy you know I mean are the vast majority of these people like unemployed like 21-year-olds in Ireland.

A lot of them are people, now that I'm going abroad, being like, where are you going here? Can we go there? Yeah, that's why you don't want to totally... I'm going to be on this continent. Yeah, you've been announcing it on your three podcasts that you're a part of. You're, of course, the producer of the Jessinick and Rosenthal

Vanity Project, JRP, that we do together. Unnecessary plug. For Comedy Central. Why not? Get them in here. But the bigger news I wanted to bring up is you had kind of an emotional episode of the broadcast with Emma VP now announcing her departure. Yeah, it was tough.

It's our breakup part one. There is a part two coming that you will, you got to listen in. I'm waiting for. Which part includes my soundbite that was recorded in an alley two, about a mile from here? I think it's part two. Spoiler alert. So, yeah, everyone please check out all of the answer.

You are an alley dweller. Well, I was actually, when you guys, when you make a jogging? No, well, here's the thing. I was, I was walked from work all the way to the end of a lot. We are in Washington Boulevard, all the way to Sepulveda. And then I got the request. I thought, if I don't do it now, it'll be the next day. So I did it, but I was walking while leaving a voicemail that you need to listen to you later.

I mean, no one has more beautiful alley shots in their IG back catalog than Mark Sessler. You should create an account just called Allie Graham. I don't have time. Why so many alleys, though, because they're not convenient. L.A. is an alley city. It's an alley. I mean, I'm always in alleys in L.A. They're often empty, too, outside of, like, the annoying, like, gigantic vehicle that's going

one mile an hour to try to dodge you. It's like we're not going to hate each other. Santa Monica feels like it's mostly alley with, like, a side of actual streets. All right, I think we've... I'm, like, deeply jealous of Erica's travel plans. Not at all jealous of yours, Wesse's. Say it for the side streets pocket. Let's do some news, Erica.

Ridiculous. Munger, get out of the freaking way! It's Odell Beckham. It's OBJ. I call them ODB. The Cleveland Brown's a lot of whispers, Mark. You texted us three or four days ago saying, like, you're hearing a lot on the Brown's Dark Web about Odell Beckham.

Which sounds like a euphemism. And then, like, two days later, it really did come out into the national consciousness. And Andrew Hawkins, who also has a podcast, former Brown, kind of put it out there. And it got to the point where Ian Rappaport and Tom Pelliserro are addressing it Friday, Thursday rather, on up to the minute. And rap sheet said the Giants have no interest in trading O'Dell Beckham. And Adi Kinkawala was on a Cleveland radio station saying that she heard there was an offer from the Browns that would have included Kevin Zitler, Emmanuel Agba. And a third player that she wasn't sure about. Baker Mayfield.

A giant source shot it down that they would never be interested. It's unclear if that offer happened, but there's buzz out there. Are you buying it? Well, I'm buying that a phone call might have been made from Cleveland to New York. I don't think there's been literally a sand grain of evidence to suggest that New York is calling anyone about moving Beckham. But it was John Dorsey who said at the combine, he held up his phone. and he's like, listen, call me, I'll call you. He's like, they are, the Browns, I think,

are going to be very active in free agency. They still have a ton of caperum. The Kevin Zeiler thing from the start on this so-called Browns Dark Web was... I don't know. Sometimes Mark just has this Brown's information and he doesn't tell us where it comes from. Often it's correct. Often it's very correct.

When I floated to you guys on text, it's like, unless, like, the Associated Press reported this an hour ago, it's not legit. It's like, I said this is totally out there. It's maybe total. but it's out there. And the Zitler thing was always packaging Zitler plus X, Y, and Z to a team that desperately needed offensive line help and offered something big in return. And the Giants makes sense when you put all that together. I think that it's crazy to think that you would

trade Kevin Zytler, Emmanuel Ogba, who the Browns are essentially looking to upgrade from already. Zitler's being replaced by a second year player they drafted. And I don't know who the player to be named is, but that is usually a lesser player than the players that are. named, why on earth would you move O'Dell Beckham for that? That to me seems insane. That's why the story feels massively incomplete to me. This reminds me of back in the days when I used to play Dynasty League fantasy football. The best way to get good in Dynasty football is to trade all of your kind of good players

for an absolute superstar. Like why would the Giants want to trade for these like, okay, slightly above average starters when you've got a super? What would the Giants be telling every single person that follows the giants if you made that move one day become a GM and trade with us because you can absolutely take advantage of us by packaging together the guys that you aren't going to resign and we'll give you our transcendent guy who may be on his way to Canton i think perhaps um first of all mark and aditi are in the same dark web which i think is cool like do you know no doubt do you guys

use like well it's true because i listen to this radio um appearance she had and she's buddies with all the guys Cleveland. Bull and Fox. There's some other, you know, there's some other station. She was clearly on a, you know, she's deep into this dark web. I will say one thing. It was not, I have not contacted Nick Shook, who already is inside the Browns building. He had nothing to do with this.

You've cultivated that source for five years. Well, Shook has lost his membership in the dark web, right? You have to remove your hood and you have to state your purposes. I think Shook essentially now has to be, you know, he's writing for the team's website. The team websites typically are not hot take machines. It's state the facts and get out of it. They're going to love to see Shook break the O'Dell Beckham story. He's not going to be doing that.

Does that hurt? Do you think that hurts the relationship? You hear that Shuck? He's doubting you. He told me, I mean, he'll tell you the saying. He's going to bust the wall at the Kool-A-Nus from inside. Sorry, I live in fear of an angry Shook. As does everyone. True.

Noted. But in terms of GMs, right, let's say that that is the conversation. He's like, hey, what if you want this trash for O'Dell Beckham Jr.? Does that hurt the chance of a few? future trade if somebody makes trash trade offers to you or is it just like hey man get out of here i think it leaves a bad taste in your mouth but if you want a guy on the other team bad enough you're you're gonna overlook yeah it's like the dynasty league you were talking about like that's the guy you just end up talking you know shit out it's like all right enough uh enough with those

enough with these offers ricky like you know adrian peter you know that the guy who's always just sending these moonshot offers is hoping someone finally takes it but do we think john Dorsi actually called up and made that insane offer? Fabiano does that move a little bit, I think, in his league. And I think it might make people reluctant to trade with him. Maybe. There have been other reports, though, that Zeitler is available. Now, I don't know if that was connected, and Duke Johnson could also be available in a trade.

I would be stunned. I think the Duke Johnson probably boils down to where the Kareem Hunt's suspension is, but Duke Johnson is someone that they've never figured out to how to actually. maximized under multiple multiple coaches, and he's sort of the guy left out of the mix at this point. Little surprising Zitler would potentially get traded, but one of the highest paid guards in the league, and I guess they like his back. Well, they drafted Austin Corbett last year in the second round, and he sat the bench all year, so they're probably looking to play him and cut Zitler's contract.

So Zitler could be part of this whole trade tsunami, as Patrick Claibon once named it on NFL in that way. Tsunami. It's a single. It's a single. Trade. Oh, two. Trade two. Oh, I guess. It went over my head, sorry.

I'm waiting. Think about it like a movie poster, and there's Greg, like riding a wave that's actually making the number two. I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. There's so many players that seem like they're available right now. There's so much salary cap space. As we tape this, it hasn't really started yet.

And I just feel like it's going to be trades. It's going to be cuts. It's going to be everything. The entire NFL off season is basically going to happen in the next 10 days or so, which is wild. But here's some of the next. names that have just come up in the last, you know, two days. Michael Bennett of the Eagles on the market. Robert Quinn on the Dolphins.

Pelliserro said there's been some trade docs. And Jordan Howard has been talked about according to ESB. That's been out there. Shefter. It's been out there since Negi landed in Chicago. Right. And so I guess it's been back now that there's some more tucks. Which of which of these guys, you know, strikes your fancy?

Well, Jordan Howard to me is the one like I could definitely see. him getting traded. And when people say he doesn't fit Matt Nagy's offense, it's the same reason why a lot of teams aren't interested in Adrian Peterson. Because you have to build the offense around them as in every down power back. Once they're on the field and passing situations, it's a tell that, hey, this guy is in the, we're not passing the ball to this guy. If he's in the game, we're running it. There were whispers that the Dolphins had some interest in him at the trade deadline last year. And he's entering a contract year. So now this is exactly what the Giants didn't do with Landon Collins. If you want to get anything for him, make it happen now.

I can't imagine you get too much. No, you get like a late pick. Yeah, it's a tough situation, especially for Jordan Howard. You know, you get moved to a team and you don't know if they want to commit to you long term and you're going into a contract year. Something shiny may come up in the draft and that guy may get more run than you. It puts these guys in a tough situation, especially at running back. He's one of those guys that always, you're not quite sure why he's good. He always seems to do better and get more yards than you expect. He doesn't look that fast, but he still can get past people.

He's one of the, I don't know. You can see why he fell a little bit in the draft and the same sort of reasons why people don't give him a lot of credit, but he's still pretty effective. Oh, so Michael Bennett and Robert Quinn sort of had the inverse seasons last year. Quinn started out in September and early October playing really well and faded down the stretch. Michael Bennett was incredible down the stretch playing lights out.

And to me, that's a little surprising that they get rid of him as well as he played. they're just in such that it's such a money situation with the with the eagles right now yeah it's kind of my maxim the cap space is overrated uh but for the eagles they are probably in as much trouble as anyone and i think they would say they they're fine playing it close to the cap because they feel like they can be flexible but sometimes in this situation it's like you just have to make a choice between about four good defensive linemen and chris long is on the books next year he's a great value and so you know and he's been you know he's been there a little longer and Bennett's older.

I'd like to see Bennett in Atlanta. They've had some issues trying to keep Vic Beasley healthy. That works. Get him to make some plays. That part. The playoff game where he didn't get in a double digits in place. Purely healthy. Brooks Reed was playing a lot.

Yeah. On the Robert Quinn front, though, it's like this is one of those classic, the dolphins are looking to trade him, or they're just going to release him. He saves them $13 million with zero dead money. if he gets cut. They're going to cut him.

Every September, because I used to love Robert Quinn. There was that one year, I think it was 2015. I was convinced he was going to be like the next great defensive player. And every year he seems to start off a house on fire. And then, you know, he has these chronic back issues. And I think that's probably what ends up showing up by November, December. So, yeah, they'll probably cut him. I thought the Giants were going to cut Olivier Vernon.

But Kim Jones and Rap sheet said on up to the minute that it looks like now they're going to keep Olivier Vernon. couldn't, you know, he was maybe available in a trade, but he's making a lot of money. I think that's telling about the past rush market that they will keep him. And I think it's smart. Well, you have a manual Agba coming your way, so you don't need Olivier. He's only 28 years old, Olivier Vernon. It's like they're not going to get better by continuing to cut and get rid of their best players. Also another guy who played really well at the end of last year.

That's right. I wonder what it does for the free agent edge rusher market when six or seven guys are getting the franchise tag. Like, does that ultimately hurt? how much the guys are getting paid, or does it raise them? I mean, it's, I think what hurts just as much is this draft class, which is that's meant to be the position. I think it helps it. So I think you're talking about Preston Smith, Zadaria Smith,

and then potentially D-Ford on a new contract. Like, I am not buying that he's going to be a member of the chiefs. If he's available in a trade, I just don't understand why he wouldn't get traded, because it's hard to find guys like that. Like, and if it only takes a, maybe a third round pick to get D. Ford, and I would guess that's the case if they're willing to trade them.

Like, someone's going to do it by April. Go get D. Ford. Tray Flower is probably going to make $17, $18 million a year. By April or by next Friday? Maybe by next Friday for D. Ford. New NFL strategy. Collect as many threes as you can and then wait for, wait to trade for guys like D. Ford. I love it.

Cycle them out. Right. I think veteran trades, mid-round trades, is kind of a nice move that the Eagles and the Rams and the Patriots have done quite well over the last few years. And another one is picking up these guys like Michael Bennett. I think that's the new money ball. 33-year-olds on one-year contracts that are actually still good at football. Everyone's so afraid to pay them.

They help you win games. Haven't the Patriots been doing that for 15 years or more? They have. Like, hey, if you want to win a championship, come play for us for cheap. You just woke Erica up. I know. Erica's got a big old smile on her. I haven't seen you smile all week.

You do look like a totally different person than 48 hours ago. Oh, my God. Which is how you make Patriots fans happy. You discuss value because that's what they, that's what they, look at the big smiles across the room. I know. What are you talking about? I don't, I don't, I want to keep Trey Flowers. I don't care of us. Yeah, but you're not even a real patriot fan.

You're already looking forward to not following them anymore. I'm the realist. I don't know if you listened to Monday's show, but I was there when Doug Flutty went around, uh, around, uh, end there, score to touch that on the Colts in 1988. I was also there when you said, I can't wait to dump the Patriots. Yeah, the subreddit, Greg is like just, I know. I know you don't vent, Greg. You don't really believe in the subreddit.

Yeah, one reason why I don't read the subreddit ever. But you are getting taken behind the woodshed for your Patriots fan. Because he literally was like when Brady and Belichick leave, I'm not going to be a fan. Good. One less Patriots fan. I was just trying to be real about it. When Belichick retires, am I going to be as invested? Maybe.

We'll see. If they have Josh Rosen, maybe. But you do understand that you are being tagged and correctly so by definition as the ultimate Fairweather fan that the minute that the coach or the quarterback, well, how no? Good. Well, if Dr. Setting is going to transfer to those folks' teams, then they'd be happy about it. Right. I'm not, I'm saying...

You're like, listen, you're not ready to go through a dark stretch with them, basically. Which is a 10-year dark stretch. It's not so much that as, like, I've thought about the nature of being a fan of any team and letting any team kind of control your emotions up and down. Combine that with the fact that we won. I mean, Erica...

Erica and I won the lottery. This is it. You're not going to top this. This is the greatest run in any team has had. He said that four years ago. Right. And now it's even better. And so it's like, you're not going to top that.

I don't want to be in something that's only getting a little worse. Here we go. What hurts your argument is that you're going to wait to do it. Do it now. Yeah. Do it now. Well, Belichick's still there. No.

What does it say about your character that you jump the minute things get tough? That's not. You should jump now. That's not how I look at it. We've had this discussion. But that's how everyone else is looking at it. You may not. They're looking at it wrong.

No, they're not. I had a great conversation. Not in the world of fandom. With McDaniels in an elevator at Combine. Wait, you were just on a last name basis? Okay. Yeah, we shook hands. She calls him Mickey D.

Josh. We talked about his wife and we go way back. We had to wait for a couple of elevators. Yeah, we were really cool. Now, the future is still so bright. What did he tell you? You didn't, none of your business. Here's the thing.

They would probably be, in this future world, they are probably, they're almost absolutely 1A. But I feel like my nature of fandom is different within all these guys on the Reddit board and you guys anyways is that you guys know me. I end up rooting for like four or five, six other teams, none as emotionally as the Patriots, but you just kind of see who you like.

That's how you should. I mean, you're talking to a Browns fan that has lived in essentially medieval times. I don't respect the word of this. He's kind of like West too, where he's roots for players. No, but you and West are not the same though. Wes, you can't just say that you're West because you're going to jump out on the Patriots. They've not given you anything but love and joyful moments that even before it gets bad,

you're going to cut bait just because it might get bad. Maybe not even bad, but just like have the average time that you had together be that excellent. It's like maybe you should quit your marriage right when it's at the top. No. Total villainy. Oh, yeah. I'm just kind of. Because then Sierra might come along, right?

It makes sense. Ultimately, the way I feel about it, I don't care about fanhood as much because then it was like, well, Patrick, what if hypothetically somebody wanted to stop being a fan of the New England Patriots? And my reaction to that is yes. See, right. More people should do that. Specifically about the Patriots. You were pretty broken up about when Lamar and the Ravens lost in that first round. And I think it got you soul searching about fandom.

Like, you don't want to be invested emotionally. No, purely, I just don't like the Patriots, which, and I love. I love Greg, and I would like for Greg to not like the Patriots anymore. And so the idea of that, yeah, it's cool. All right. I mean, I'll listen to that, but I'm not, I am in no way buying. I think this is a bunch of BS. Thank you, Erica.

I just wanted to wipe that smile all the else of faces. You need to get your shit together because this is ridiculous. It's the nonchalance that rankles me. When I broke up with the Bengals, it was one of the most scarring processes of my life and still scars me to this day. What was the moment? I think it's a good conversation. When they cut Lee Johnson, they're long. It's good content because he criticized the organization.

It's good content, if nothing else. I don't think it's a bit, Greg, but it does make me, it's just another thing. I'm like, I have no idea who Greg is at all. I just don't understand this thinking at all. It just won't be the same without Bill Belichick. That's all I'm saying. He's my number one guy. It's going to be Josh McDaniels, according to Erica.

Yeah, it's going to be fine. It makes it worse, Greg, if you don't quit now. Let's move on to Monday, night. We'll try to. We talked about Bugger, I know. I was like This is the This might end the show

Downstairs Mark and I were talking We're like this is it We don't have much to talk about It's a 35 minute show Finally we're going to do it We're going to keep it efficient This is going to be like our edition

Of the Daily And I'm Michael Barbaro But it's not happening This is the deal Look at this You got a Barbaro impression Before we go Let's just do the report

That the Bougar Mobbill is not going to be back That Sporting News is saying We don't know if Bougar McFarland's going to be back but no matter what, the Bougar-Mobile is not coming back. Well, if I know that network well enough, there will be plenty of gimmicks to replace it instead of actual analysis. I want to know what the cost in human resources was to facilitate the Bougar-Mobile

and how many people had to lose their jobs in order for this. People are losing their jobs. No doubt about that. I thought the Bougar-Movil was fine. And I liked his analysis. I don't think there was anything bad about it. Maybe it didn't help the chemistry between him and Witten. I would say, but I don't know if that was going to work no matter what.

We have to give Dan Hanzas some credit, is on our Twitter show, I would say over the course of the season, the Bougar Mobile and its issues, he brought it up multiple times. But if I were to list the things that I want removed from Monday Night Football, one of them is gone. He's now with the Dallas Cowboys. This infrastructure on wheels is not nearly on the deepest on my radar. There are other people.

They need to continue to cut the fat off of this. The big question is Testator back, or do they just start? That tells you whether or not Mark watches Monday Football with the sound. Do they start off? over or not did they blow it up Kurt Warner's been thrown out there Lewis Riddick what's wrong with keeping it in the fairway what's wrong with the broadcast just being

fine and us just appreciating they try to do too much that's my top complaint I just want I just want to watch the football right no one would complain like like if it was the number three Fox team and they just were doing Monday night football in the same sort of good

Sunday game meat and potatoes let's deliver no one we don't need part in the interruption in the middle of the game we don't need the whole debate about everything it's like a lot of it's the answer though i think is like a lot of reasons why corporations are sucking the soul out of americans frownering frustrating um and that's it's people having to justify their jobs that there's a lot of people on the payroll and there's so that just means there's a lot more people having to justify what they do by somehow being part

of it and making a decision or adding this or that and it's just they could always cut salary at the top but they never do that. You're, like, you walk around our building, and we don't go to meetings mostly at all, which is amazing. We've gotten out of them. We used to do a lot. But you walk by any, like, room with more than eight seats, and it's just a bunch of people sitting around,

and you know that nothing's happening in the meeting. And there's always, every meeting you go to has three or four people that must inject a comment just to say, listen, I checked a box, I'm here, I'm engaged mentally. Your comment is wasting our time. You've said nothing of value, and yet somehow inside your building credit. Yeah, but that's a lot of people's jobs. That's what I'm saying that shouldn't be a job. When there was a surprise.

You know, there's been a lot of departures at the top level of the NFL over the years. And I've heard different things, you know, when people have been forced to leave it. And, you know, one of those things is like, well, he didn't really add much in meetings, you know. And I was like, well, who is? I've never, what are you talking about? What are you asking of a floating middle manager? Never really, like, came up with some great ideas in meetings. Like, as opposed to what?

That's my statement. I hear you great. Last, we're back on the same wavelength here. Last item of news, Chicago Bears. really set up Twitter punchline writers all over the country by signing the kicker Chris Blewett. Right. So after Cody Parky blew it,

they signed a kicker to replace him named Blewett. I mean, which is a joke that writes itself. But he does join third string quarterback David Fails and former Giants tight end will tie on the declarative sentence All-Stars. I think that's a good take. I haven't heard that on the Bluitt front. I was wondering where you were going to come with that. Would you count Cody Parky?

Is Parky a verb? I don't know. Maybe it is. His name was Cody Parks. Well, Will Parks for the... Yeah, Will Parks. For the Broncos, yeah. You see people change their names for professional reasons all the time.

There's a strong case for him at some point in his life to say, I'll go by this for my taxes. Blue it is my last name. But in general, as a kicker, you've got to see this is going to happen. The minute you make any sort of headway in your career, bang, people are going to be all over it, change your name. What would the best kicker name be? What would have his name was Chris B?

Last name just the letter B. Now, how about Chris Clutch? Like something edgy, like Chris Laser. I like it. It shows a tough character. I feel like he was like nine years old. His last name was Blue it, and he was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to prove everyone wrong.

I'm going to be an NFL kicker with this last name. And he did it. So far, so good. He's at a newser after a kick gets blocked. people are asking him tough questions. Like, you think you can hurt me? My name's blue it. But that position is such a mental and psychological gauntlet already,

and then you're stuck with that name. You're already going to be doubting yourself. There was even, like, Matt Barr, when he occasionally would hit the crossbar, became Matt Crossbar. And it's like, even that is sneaky annoying. How cruel. Also a mentally difficult thing to get over is when you get thrown into the mix on trash takes with Patrick Claibon.

And we are so overdue to start this segment that I think, We think we should just do it right now. It's Trash Takes with Patrick Claibon. And now Trash Takes with Patrick Claibon. I forgot about that. Yeah, those frags just dropping, dropping heat. Let's get right into it. Well, for new listeners, Patrick is the host of Up to the Minute on NFL Network on Fridays,

some other, many other days, hosts a variety of programs on NFL Network. But he's also known kind of as a Twitter superstar. great Twitter feed, you know, has a good way of deciding who has the right take, who has the wrong take, and letting them know about it in a way that humiliates them. And so this segment, this segment is called Trash Takes with Patrick Claibon, where he brings out some takes he didn't appreciate it. Oh, well, I don't want to try to humiliate people. I just, I love myself.

I'm a fan of me in my opinion. I was playing it up. You know, I'm a fan of your sharp wit. No, and. Twitter.com. And shout out to Alex Wilk, who in the past has tried to do, because he looks out for me, and he tries to keep me from going too far. In many instances, you know, there's a hot mic, and he's like, hey, you know, somebody might be listening.

And so we kept the names out of it the last time that we did this. We're not going to do that this time. Yes. Oh, yeah. Accountability. Here comes from Warrior 1776, which is always an issue. At Chad Moodhart. He says, speaking of Patrick Mahomes, yeah, but Brady has his ring size.

on file emoji shrug cool stats and all but mahomes needs to develop into a leader like brady otherwise we will have another rogers on our hands all hype and excuses as to why he can't win more that tweet is checking a lot of boxing wait what was the handle again ew what's that smell it's trash takes with patrick clayball at chad moot heart replying to pro football focus and i think what I've tried to do here today is because the trash takes genre has spanned out into so many different things. As Wes said,

it just has so much going on, right? There's the... It's like a Faulkner novel. There's the Rings argument, which is always trash. There's the Rogers isn't good argument. Or a leader. And then it's the Mahomes thing. And excuses, it's bad, it's trash.

After one year of the Patrick Mahomes experience in which he's, one the MVP and then scored 32 points in the AFC championship game, including 28 in the fourth quarter. And a year in which, he didn't have a single awful game. Not one. Not one.

And also throwing in stats as if it can't be possible that you would have great stats and be a leader. They have to be separate. But he's a great example. I believe he obviously played more than well enough to beat the Patriots that day and how different of an offseason it would be for him if instead of the Patriots we're talking about, we're talking about the 28 points he put up in the fourth quarter

to go to the Super Bowl on the way to romping the Rams, which I kind of have a feeling that the Chiefs would have done. Right. This is how narrative starts that, like, Patrick Mahomes is less good because Tom Brady entered the zone in overtime. Right. Because of a coin flip. Right.

Like, he needs to be better at coin flip. Because D. Ford was in the neutral zone. Although, you know, when you watch that play, this is my chance to bring this up. No one ever brings up. It's very unclear whether the... Brady was actually intercepted, and the guy got in bounds. No, I forget who was, Kenneth Fuller.

I went back and looked at it, and it was very, I looked at multiple angles. They would have gone to review. I'm just saying, everyone was saying that D. Ford play cost them the Super Bowl. Cost them to the Super Bowl? You don't know that. You might not have got his favorite. Stop liking the Patriots, correct? Okay.

Next track steak, Patrick. Okay. This one combines a couple of genres as well. One of which I hate the most is ratings. Combined with the Rams don't have any fans. This guy said Fact Semi-colon

More people in L.A. watched the Pats Chiefs than Ram Saints. That's never happened before for a home team to have less viewers within their local market in conjunction with another game the same day. Who authored this tweet?

This was, oh no. Coach Boyne, DHS. Do we know if this is indeed a fact that no home team has ever been Eltrum? I doubt it. I just know I don't care. Like, why do people? People care about ratings so much.

This is one of your big talking points. When did it become, when did America become convinced that we should all care about ratings when it comes to sports? And it's a good point. There is a lot of like, just like what, talk about, oh, did it go up a point? Did it go down a point? Why are fans so working on that? Well, I'm not sure all of America cares about ratings. I know that you care a lot about ratings, but it's a very small circle of people.

Like hardcore sports people. Fans, yeah, hardcore sports fans. Yeah. You know, Darren Ravelle has five million followers, and it's like, you get the sports business daily retweeting overnights from... I worry about those five people. I'm hesitant to say something as declaratively, you know, and potentially stupid as this guy did, but I bet there's no way that he's right about that.

Anyways, first of all, if the Rams were later in the day, they would have gotten the bigger rating. They got a totally normal rating in L.A. and nationally for that game. I remember it. It was up from the year before. But the second game always gets bigger ratings. That's just how it works. Well, we'd have to look.

I thought I read something similar. But I think, number one, for me, Los Angeles is different than any other city in the entire country, and I don't care what sports ratings coming out of Los Angeles are for anything. Right. And it's a huge sports. It is a huge sports town. It's just not a huge local NFL team town.

Like the NFL ratings get huge are huge here. It's just, you know, there's 20 different teams to root for. A lot of different people. I subscribe to this theory now. I don't care at all about TV ratings. It doesn't bottom me. I used to do it now. It doesn't affect people.

What's it doing for? Did you like the game? Like after the AAF, the opening weekend, people, it's like, oh, ratings, this, ratings. I was like, hey, guys, did you, like, how did you feel about Trent Richerson? Do y'all want to talk about sports? Or are we going to do this about other people's money? It's not your money. Yeah.

All right. Loosely interpreted as trash. I personally love this tweet. I just maybe, but not for the reasons that the Twitter sent it out during Combine. week, Twitter can be bad, it can be horrible. Our friend Chase Goodbread or... Carbs. Yeah. You know, value pumpernickel. So many different names you could have

for Chase. Wait, value pump or nickel. Yeah, good bread. I love it. There's... He had the tweet about the Seahawks asking a player to have a staring contest, and there were many reactions to it, but Jim Nagy of the

Senior Bowl replied, grit test to it. No. A staring contest to test the grit. He thinks... He thinks No recycling here. It's trash tapes with Patrick Clayball. The tenacity of a football player determined. What percentage do you think that tweet was serious?

100% or last? That's true. We don't know. We don't know. I don't know if I hit it. I love it. I think 98%. I mean, he works for a college scouting bowl.

I think he's saying it's a grittest. I mean, Patrick Claibon. You never know that. We don't know that, me. You're also, you also, you have a burner account of your own. Several. All right. Well, one of them is David Ely quotes.

And I want to know how. serious this pinned tweet from Patrick has multiple burner accounts how serious is this tweet from February 2016 from David Ely if I'm texting it's been pinned there for three years the character of David Ely quotes was purely born from the idea of that tweet

I was trying to get into the idea because we all know and love David Ely sure he's a sensible sexual man helps runs the newsroom downstairs but he has sometimes some hilarity involved with relationships with women and so in my mind the idea of an

overly overtly sexual David Ely that talks to women you know in very sexual terms it was it was great fodder for a Twitter account comedy you know he's my boss and I just had my review with him about 20 minutes ago so totally support David Ely a wonderful guy

I don't know if he's offended by what you're writing I'm on his side how is that dynamic because initially there was some concerns that, like, hey, you know, I've been at this company longer than you, I'm older than you, yet you're my boss. So this is just strange. Listen to Stinky Davis. Everything. Everything is going absolutely great with David Ely.

All right. Let's hear another trash take. Okay. This one comes from Rivals Mike after the Ravens lost to the Chargers in the playoffs in 2018. He says, where are all the Lamar Jackson apologists now? First of all, what are you apologizing for? Yeah, my initial reply was right here, Bucco. Bucco!

I know the bar is always going to move for Lamar Jackson, but it was just weird after a playoff game in which he actually outpast Philip Rivers to send that out. And it just kind of encapsulates the whole reaction. I blocked a lot of people because I'm a big fan of Lamar's, and it's just stuff like that. Like, what do we, how do we determine success for other people and why can't it be the same?

It's a very common version of trash take is basically you have a long-held belief and then the moment you have anything to support it, that's the moment where you tweet, I was right. You know, like, in sports, and I've done it too. I'm sure I've done it a million times too. That, like, okay, I'm going to ignore all the rest of, you know, the time that I didn't say anything for the last two months. but here now that I have something that proves my point, I was right. I told you so. No. I hasn't take to say this.

It's trash takes with Patrick Claibon. See, Dan, is that the show? It's not going on. Only very recently, I would say in the last year and a half or so, I've seen a gradual shaming of people who handle Twitter. Because Twitter has been like that for 10 years. Yes. Crowing about when you're right.

And I've seen a gradual kind of drifting away from that. People realizing that maybe we're not. this arrogant and cocky in real life? Why are we acting like this on this medium? It's because of thought leaders like Claibon, you know, it's shaming. Holding people accountable. And now I think the group is doing it.

I think we've had so many good trash things. We actually should take a break. Like the other day, we had that nice little minute cleansing of the palate. And this time, though, marks the one that's going to cleanse it. Well, we have occasionally, we ban phrase it. I thought along with your annoyance of people's tweets, that some of the stuff that pops up on Twitter, and I am far from like a millennial watchdog

of what's cool or not to be saying. So you're banning phrases. I'm banning phrases. If I'm starting to say these phrases, anyone younger than me should not be. And I'm not even, but these are even, I don't even want to say. It goes so well with trash take. It does.

This, to me, sounds like 8 o'clock, 8.30 NBC on Wednesday night, back to back, like these two. They do. They are very well. It's like, it's a beautiful marriage. But I will, like, Erica, I'll allow you. because you're like a no less than 20 years younger than me, I think, that you could, or 19, you could tell me if these are dead on or not.

Sure. And the first one comes from Emma VP, who sent this along during the week, and she might be the best writer in the building, and she has a good eye for what is total BS. Not going to be in the building much longer. Nope, she will not. Lying the coop. I didn't know if that was my announcement to make, but.

She's announced it in different places. Yeah, I think so. It's her career. So she made this great point that every time now, This is on Instagram, too, much more than Twitter. Whenever you get, like, a clown car of, like, four people in a photo, like a group photo, but they're not, like, doing the smile with their arms for each other, but it's something else and, like, a little serious, and, like, might be it's black and white

or there's some nice shadow. And then they just, like, the hashtag is, like, our album cover. Or our album is dropping next week. It's like, no, your album is not dropping, you flock of idiots. Do we agree with Emma's take? there that's heavy shelling yeah oh my god you're saying if so many people are dead if you are not indeed putting out an album you cannot joke's not funny you're saying the joke's not funny it is it is it's been overdone if it was ever funny it no longer still is um this one

annoys me and it's i kind of thought this worked for certain groups of people very early on but it is tiresome hashtag squad goals oh god oh yeah that's past it out of that's oh i like that one Really? I'm saying. I'm not saying that I'm right about this, but it is highly annoying. It's stupid, but that's fun.

It's funny. If I posted a photo of the five of us right now, and it's like squad goals, people want to be in this squad, but you know what? I'm just saying, we can come up with something else that's dumb and sort of funny.

I mean, Claybott and he was against it. I'm old at this point. I mean, you're... Okay. Here's one... Your body is starting to fall apart, so we'll accept you. I am arthritic.

I heard someone, like, seriously label someone else in our office because this is sort of the world that they exist in that this is how they felt the real title was social media ninja

kill me now I don't need that in my life I don't feel like that's it is how people are described like inside inside career channels if they're great at social media ninjas are assassins of the night

how does that even transit yeah to me all right last one because the half time is almost over Anything where someone who's already like 31, like, oh, you had to go, you had to go do your laundry. I'm so sorry that you had to go do something on your own without someone holding your hand.

It's like, just had to go do my laundry. Hashtag adulting. Oh, okay. You've been an adult for like 15 years. And it's like, oh, had to go get four quarters for a dollar by myself, adulting. Not a verb. Get out of here with that.

Can I have a spin-off? Yes, please. Yes. This is a group. I've got a view, actually, now. The nature of a unicorn is its uniqueness and the fact that it may or may not even exist. If every one of you women out there is a unicorn,

then there are no unicorns. I love that. That's very similar to the goat thing now. That goats are, you know, in theory, it's the greatest of all time, but now it's commonly understood to mean one of the better players that, you know. Of that week, of that week.

Don't you think you found your unicorn? You didn't think that she existed and then you found, No, I found a beautiful woman on a unicorn. Oh, my God. We have so much work to do. To your point about, like, the adulting thing, I think it's untoward.

It's unsavory. There's always, like, a lot of complaining of, like, oh, wow. Now I'm, you know, it's something happens, like, a show is 10 years old or an actor, you know, is celebrating some anniversary, and they're like, like, if that doesn't make you feel old, you know, it's like, I'm officially old. But it's always someone in their 20. or in their 30s.

Like, you're not a lot. Even I, I would say we shouldn't even really be saying that on social media because then there's like the 50, 60, like, you're not allowed to say that in your 20s and 30, even young 30s. It's annoying. Don't say that. Could Wes and I say it at age 45? I don't even think bother.

Don't even bother. No, I don't feel that way inside. It's just like, it's just like, oh, I'm old now. And then how about blank is a mood? Oh, yeah. I'm done with that. That's, that's, I'm done with is, like, is a mood. I'm with you.

I'm going to go through your tweets right now because I feel like you just tweeted something like that. I would never put Isamood. It's just, I can't see Greg Doran. Okay, here's the thing with Isamood. It's fine, like I get, you know, it's cool, whatever. But when you can see in its current state how stale it's going to be in nine months, then I already want to move past that nine months because it's eventually going to be stale.

I think the topic we've hit on is the memeification of language and how things and words run their course a little bit faster now. than they used to and you're not going to have like cool won't be around as long you know no and like blank as a mood was where I was with like

lit the first time I ever heard X is lit like no no because there were a bunch of like Jabroni's walking around our office saying it's like you are not the person who should be saying any of these phrases

well repetition is the death of art and humor Greg had a great tweet about slaps like you know this song slaps oh yeah well I said I wish I was young enough to say a song slaps

because it does I think that's a great term. For now. But I don't think I'm past the point that I can say it. You know what I mean? I mean, I think we strongly agree with you. All right, let's get back to Tristan. All right, let's go back to the topic of language since this take and our previous discussion can tie into it.

This is from at Jerry Doolock, who said, from the irony of irony's department, Oklahoma wide receiver, Marquis Brown, Antonio's cousin, we'll meet with the Steelers tonight. That's not what irony is. It's not the irony of ironies either. No. Ew, what's that smell? It's trash takes with Patrick Claiborne. In fact, the ironies department, maybe, you know, they're seeing some funding cuts, and so they're trying to branch out.

But that's just not, there's nothing ironic about that. Like, he's Antonio's cousin, and they're related. Right. That's what's called the coincidence. This is actually, we've done the show so long that we're now, I'm now remembering, I used to make this point like five years. ago on the show that people mistake coincidence for irony and like we need to try to get the word out there of what's a coincidence what's irony maybe claybond or someone else could be an

official irony is a very nuanced word it is not easy for people to understand in fact alonis tried to do everything she could to help us out by making a song without any ironic instances which is ironic in itself yes yes we don't well she yeah she did not help i don't think that was her I don't think she was looking at it in such a depth as you just did, but... Fair enough. She didn't help. Here's another Mahomes one. This one from at L. Running 3, Lee Running, is the name he chose for himself.

Baseball players make a lot less money in their first five to seven years than NFL players. Oh, wait, actually, this is... No, this is Mahomes. This is Mahomes. Baseball players make a lot less money in their first five to seven years than the NFL players, so that's a weak argument. If he keeps playing like he did last year, he's going to get paid. He just needs to show a little more humility.

I've been a Chiefs fan since I was a kid, maybe no longer. This guy's going to give up on the Chiefs because Mahomes isn't showing enough humility. Get the fuck out of here. It's trashd. You might have to end on that. That's the worst take. A franchise that has been boring for your entire life. Now that they're exciting, you're going to give up because of some made-up thing about humility?

Well, also because... Talk about cutting off. your nose to spite your face. And what are we pointing to? Has he ever been anything but just sort of a teammate? I think it was in the replies to some commercial or something. Like Mahomes had a logo or who knows. Yeah, if you were, yeah, that would be an annoying tweet pretty much about any quarterback

in the NFL. But Mahomes also particularly doesn't seem to make any sense. Do we have one more we need to finish on? No, I don't want to leave out my friend. That was so strong that last one. Well, yeah, it was strong. Shout out to Andy Benoit. His tweets are horrible.

Jamie Collins has done less with more talent than just about any starting NFL linebacker. It's just a weird thing to say like you're diminishing the talent of all these other linebackers and saying that Jamie hasn't done anything. He had the torn MCL in 2017.

Was this from like yesterday or something? Yeah, it was from yesterday. I was looking for another bad tweet, so I just went to the best place to find him. He's saying he's done less with more than anyone else. Yeah. Now that's wrong because there's so many NFL players. I mean, that's,

It's a bad take because Jamie Collins has had a good career. He hasn't had a great career, but he got a huge contract. He started a million games. You know, he played in big moments. You could come up with 100 people in the NFL that have gotten less out of more than Jamie Collins. Just diminishing the talent of a lot of people, and it's stupid. I don't like that one. How about – all right, I'm going to throw out one.

Do it. It's from Pete Prisco. Oh, there we go. Oh, I like Pete. I do, too. He's a great guy. I don't think he'd even mind this. It was just, it was this, it was this, uh, and this is just sort of a group.

It's not going to love it. This is just, it's not a football take, though. That's why I don't think. It's like, oh, Friday morning getting taken down on a podcast. It's a very, it's a very common, it's a very common trash take on Twitter. And this was in response to some bill in the North Carolina government that they're going to change the current, their grading scale to make 85 and A. No, I remember this. In 70, a B.

and his take was, this is the participation trophy of grades. Can we get any softer as a community? And this is just like, in general, I don't like the can we get any softer or the youth of today is softer bits, only because that's the most consistent bit in human history. Every single generation, if you read the newspapers or any common media, or anything from 1700, 1800, 1900, on. Every single generation says that about the previous generation. You're hating down the food chain.

With no exceptions. And when you, like, dive a little deeper into this, it's just like they might make the tests a little harder. And it has nothing to do with getting it. Well, yeah, in terms of that North Carolina story. They're not changing the average grades necessarily. Yeah. And one of the consistent things throughout history is people not reading the article.

Right, exactly. And in that, they're not altering the grade scale for students. They're augmenting the grade scale for the schools in terms of their evaluation. And so what they've done is lower the standards for the school, not lower the standards for the student. I mean, where was this when I was in middle school? I don't care. It just sounds like it would have fared better various flagging quizzes left and right. I want to mute the words participation.

Yes. From every venue in my life. But also, Greg, I would say that there is an inverse relationship between quality of life and toughness. quality of life improves, or increases, toughness decreases. And I think evolution works against toughness. That's my theory. If that were the case, Pete Persco's tweets would be a lot better. That's, there's a lot to unpack there, Wes.

The higher your quality of life, the less willing you are to endure tough times. It's trash takes with Patrick Clayland. I think that I subscribe to that. I think Wes nailed that one. I think some people are better at things than other people. Right. It manifests. Yeah.

I mean, Greg, you have the take that like it's so much better to be alive now than back in medieval times because you'd be dead by like age 19 or something. No, no doubt it is. But it also would have been cool to win the castle. My take is it's better to be like a lower like middle class person right now than it would be to be like the queen in 1650 when, okay, like five out of your like 11 kids died in childbirth. your teeth are falling out. You're going to die. You stink. You stink.

There's no toilet paper. You're going to die at like 38. It's always dark. It's not always dark. It's dark. It's dark all the time. The sun doesn't exist. Torches.

It's not all the time, but it's like at night it's always dark. You go to bed at 5 o'clock. Right. Like you're walking around with candles. It's like, hey, you can't, hey, where are you? No, I largely agree. I largely agree. But I would prefer on some level to be able to like, oh, you're going to go see your neighbor.

ride a horse for two hours over like Hill and Vale with no Twitter and no nonsense and you don't have to be anywhere the next day at 9 a.m. to clock into some job. Time travel is always a shaking proposition for me and I'd like to avoid it at all costs. Backwards at least. Wow. I think we've said it all.

I think we've thrown those takes in the garbage and I think we've sent Erica out on a winning note. We will miss you next week, Tampo. Yeah, I'm going to miss you guys too. I will be listening, so be nice. So I know you're excited about your, no, your Instagram content. So we'll check that out. Everyone, follow her there.

Follow Patrick Claibon, too, on Twitter. What a gentleman. Thank you for joining us. Thank you, you guys. Hopefully it won't be that long until we have you back. And we'll be back next week. Monday, Wednesday, and a third show to be decided what day we do it on. We've also got the Twitter show on Wednesday.

It is going to be a crazy week of free agency. And that's it. way over the time for the quiet storm Mark Susser the scientist Chris Wesleyan Erica Tamposi the loose cannon behind the glass and Patrick Claibon

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