NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Around the AFC in 48 Minutes: Post-Draft Edition

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler, and Patrick Claybon go around the AFC in 48 minutes! The heroes start their trip across the AFC with the East (07:40), followed by the North (29:36), South (43:12), and West (01:02:54).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark's got the icy blues. Sometimes there's still a storm that can rage. But the nickname doesn't fit quite as well as it did five, six, seven years ago. It will continue to be your nickname on a level. Yeah. but the Quiet Storm is a different chapter in the Mark Sessler life on a certain level. I mean, I'd say it's, it bubbles to the surface less than it used to. I acknowledge it.

I'd try to work on some things. And especially when we have a special guest in studio, I try to keep a lid on some of my temper. Not for me. Wait, wait, let me introduce our very special guest in studio. There is no such thing as MoMA What I mean, what do you think?

Patrick Claibon, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Pat, what do you think about whether or not we agree with you or I agree with you or the outside world agrees with you on momentum? What do you feel about the idea of momentum and its existence becoming a central tenant of your public face in a way? I guess it's like, you know, Patrick. is involved in another dumb argument this time with the planet. It happens

all the time in many aspects of my life. I'm glad people are thinking about me at all. I like that. In any, you know, and so especially when it comes to this where if I've caused anybody, whether they believe or don't or whatever, to just think about, you know, reality and the way things work. You know, your reality. Your reality.

Yeah, your own personal reality. Have you ever had a moment like in the middle of the night where you've been like, oh, shit, I do believe in momentum. No. How about this? And this is a little meta. Have you ever thought about the idea your beliefs or lack of belief in momentum has gained

momentum within your own life? That's a problem. No, I mean, I believe in cause and effect. This thing that comes up, even when I don't bring it up, right? Like we're talking about it now is a result of people thinking. And that's good, you know? and really if we want to go before we get to that because I'll just go this is what the podcast is right I'll lose track of everything I think the quiet storm is always brewing my issue is with the way that society might force the storm to be quiet and I don't want that I want the storm to be out I want Mark Sessler to be Mark Sessler 24 hours a day thank you I just need to get that I'll take that to heart I'm not sure that Dan and Greg need it 24 hours a day but I feel like literally the last time we were in this podcast studio or maybe it was Wednesday last week we were there was some poking of the bear and

the eyes the storm was coming out just last week oh well maybe it's still i mean it's like i said it kind of is like nature's law in america it gets little storm here in like november december january right how the mock draft and let it also be stated that the the quiet's the dissipation of the quiet storm or of it moving out to sea from my perspective is not me even saying that Patrick, that's a good or bad thing. It's just more me being a Mark Sessler meteorologist and being like right now, it seems like the storm is out to see, is it permanently out? Could it come back in as a, what do they call it, the highest level hurricane?

At most, we've got like a 10-day weather forecast. Category 5? Yeah. I mean, seven-day weekly forecast. We don't know what's after that week. Where we stand on weather, by the way? We're in on the weathermen now. I mean, we live in L.A.

I literally know it bothers me that anyone in L.A. is ever looking at the weather on any level. We've got like 82 weather ladies on all these stations telling us what's going to have. We had a lot of weather. We had a run there. Yeah. Come on, dude. I'm just saying, oh, it's raining. Like the old 72 and sunny all the time narrative.

It's raining, so everyone's driving 25 miles slower and acting like they've never seen, you know, the elements. To those of us who have logged a decade now and are spoiled rotten, that was weather to us. In fairness, I lived on the East Coast a long time. Give me a snow day. It does not rain for four straight days at any point, like without stopping on the East Coast. some crazy things are happening. Crazy things are happening. That's it.

There's been some storms. Not all. Weather momentum. Momentum on the weather scenario there. Things are changing. See how it's like a Seinfeld episode. Everything's connected. All right.

Today is around the AFC in 48 minutes. Feels like we just did one of these episodes. We did almost just do it. Maybe speaks to a lack of originality. But they are very effective in their goal, which is, and I get it. We don't usually do a... like late free agency pre-strap.

I didn't think so. That was an extra one, yeah. That's why it was a little bit on my radar. However, I love these episodes. And I know the listeners love them because when you talk, for instance, we just did our winners and losers and we get a bunch of teams in the mix, but you're going to miss teams. We will not miss a single team. We have missed a team in the past.

One time. Yeah. Apologies to the Buffalo Bills fans of 2018 or whatever. We promise that will never happen again. And if it does, it is the producer's fault. I think that is. Yeah, I think... Put the blame

elsewhere. That type of accountability. But this post-draft one, we may have done all the way back to like 2014. I think we've done this every time. This one, yeah. This one I think gets...

It's cleared. Eric, how are you? I'm doing great. How was your wedding? My wedding? I mean, you went to a wedding. I didn't, yeah. No, it was good.

It was a wife's co-worker, so I was really not that invested. Had some beers, wife's pregnant, didn't have to drive home. That's a rough listen for them. Big Funk. I don't think they're listening.

Big Funk. Exactly. Bad beat. Bad beat. Big Funk did a nice job, pinch hitting well, ill. Yeah. Which is never fun. Didn't even tell us he was ill until the end.

He will find a way to work it in, though. Although there was before the show started, he had a hot mic on while we were set up remote. And you could tell he was struggling and trying to get things going. There's a lot of stuff to do as a producer. And you can actually hear Big Funk's inner monologue going like, oh, go, I'm going. Okay, I got to do this Yeah But he made it through

Yeah, it was a flu game for him I haven't seen him though since I didn't see him We are neighbors so I did see him He's alive But yeah he flew game He was definitely under the weather on Saturday Okay, good

All right, let's uh, without further ado Playvonne's got it out Coasting Total Access though we check that out Oh hell yeah I will ditch them if it comes to it goes We're committed to all the teams If this is your first episode

That's cool. So this is the show where we go around an entire conference, three minutes per team, three minutes exactly. And I knew ETP wouldn't miss this show because this is when he gets to take out a weapon and literally shoot a man in the throat if he must to get him to shut up after three minutes. That's part of the rules. Right there. And I don't know why Patrick catches one in the gut there.

He didn't need it. Didn't deserve it. Desk pop. What is it from? Working on my tolerance. Do not shoot anything into the ceilings here. The sky's already falling here at NFL media. All right.

Let's get into it. Starting with the Buffalo Bills and Mark Sessler. We're not skipping the bills this time. The bills, a lot of needs. 10 draft picks in total. Added help, though, at safety. Defensive tackle, defensive end, cornerback, two new offensive tackles,

a running back and a wide receiver in Keon Coleman, who dazzled in his presser by announcing that his coat was from Macy's. Buffalo is attempting a soft rebuild for my POV. Call it or reload, if you'd like, while hoping to remain one of the AFC's white-hot treats. I've talked for weeks, months that I sense a darkness filtering out of western New York, a tightening vice, an aura of internal pressure, outside doubts. This has been one of the AFC's best stories over the past half decade.

Only the deeply cynical can't see something beautiful about the existence of the Buffalo Bills. Yet, I have a hunch. They'll find a way to crumble. Am I being too tough on our beloved? Bill. Oh, boy. Yes. I push back against this whole idea that they are rebuilding, reloading, anything like that. What if I told you they have as much continuity as almost any team in the NFL? They have 20, I counted it up, somewhere between 19 and 21 starters on their team that were with the bills last year. It's not an old roster. The offensive line

is in as good shape as it's ever been with Josh Allen. They get Matt Milano back. Like, there's great continuity and I know they lost a couple older pieces in the secondary but the guys who are playing there were there playing for them and they're young last year. I actually look at a pretty strong roster and yeah you lost Stefan Diggs but other than that this off season

like they are a team that has a lot of continuity guys that were with the program a year or two. They lost a lot of like veteran locker room leaders and you got to make some of those moves but it can't act like they lost no one. I think this is but they have veteran locker room leaders is what I would say still. I'm kind of

sick of having this argument too because I just because a certain type of window for this team closed doesn't mean the people that are saying that are saying they can't contend like but the Stefan Diggs Von Miller when he was still good Josh Allen on the rise like that version of the bills didn't get over the hump so now they're making some

adjustments and going out of a different route I still can see them as the favorite in the AFC East but this is a year of transition on some level despite the continuity. Yeah the difficulty is being better than they were at their peak and nobody's making the case that they are but there could be some teams that come back.

Maybe the Chiefs come back. Maybe this, because the Bengals went through a similar situation in the secondary last year, right? And they eventually got better, but it's going to be a slow start. I think it's always a process to get back to where you were. The only part that the conversation comes in is are you doing things that might deliberately hamstring your ability

and are you making those choices with full awareness of what the results are going to be? Nobody knows the results. but I think we can be confident in the bills, but the reason that we have these conversations is because we're not as confident as we once were because of the decisions that they made. Maybe this is where O'Do Beckham goes.

We've talked about that. The Miami Dolphins with Patrick Laybon. I'm looking at the 2024 Miami Dolphins as I scroll back. So they came into a free agency with a lot of questions on the defensive line and then they got even more questions as Christian Wilkins made his way to Las Vegas

and so the injury for Jalen Phillips was in week 12. It was a December 31st ACL tear for Bradley Chubb and so you go into a first round where you're looking at the edges and Dallas Turner Leatu Latu and Jared Verse are the productive guys and they all go and so now

you've got a need and you fill that need with Chop Robinson who is the projection guy like it's like well we hope that we can have chop grow and learn and go into this season and become a better player maybe 2025 but i don't know that you put the traits guy in the role of the production guys and so i i have faith in the offense but fangio's departure uh the injuries on the defense line i don't know if there's enough pressure to be generated to make this defense what it can be for the off i have all the faith

in mike mac and everything in the offense and tua i just don't know that the defense is it They lost three of six players that had five plus sacks from a year ago. And they've got injured player, people coming off injuries. So they had a lot of needs going into it. I don't have a problem with them addressing it with where they were in the draft to do it. I look at the rest of their draft, and it's like, I think their defense is a work in progress. But someone like Jalen Wright, who averaged 7.4 yards per carry and is very fast. Like, this is the kind of you know is going to work for Mike McDaniel,

and they added some stuff on offense. But you're right. I think the defense is a question mark. And like the bills, they're a different. team on some level from where they were a year ago. They have so many guys. Someone's got to get left out there. Moster, A. Chan, right. Jeff Wilson's still on that roster.

I liked what they did in the offseason in terms of like adding Kendall Fuller, Jordan Poyer. But you mentioned Chop Robinson a bit of a project. Probably their second round pick Patrick Paul was looked at like as a tritee like guy that they're going to have to really coach up. A lot of changes on their

defense to your point, including that coordinator. And I worry about their offensive line specifically lost some real talent. and they're counting on guys who have been heard a lot and really counting on Mike McDonald to coach up the offensive line and make up for a lack of talent. And have they, in your opinion of the group,

group's opinion, some of the fade of the offense in the last couple of years, piping hot in September, not as hot by January, they didn't really address that. So it feels like they see that as a narrative, quote, unquote, and they're going to be okay there. Are we confident that that's the case?

No. I think that there is something to that that he starts off these seasons hot and they fade. Well, yeah, and also when they go into Kansas City and it's like minus 84 degrees, like they're not built that way and that's not... Like they could have taken the end of last year and be like, okay, what do we need to do to adjust it?

And maybe it is the quarterback and that would take another year to figure out. But that's a big question around this team. It will remain that way. The O line. I don't think it's a Kingsbury style fade though. None. It's hard to do that.

The New England Patriot. It's, it's, you deserved it because you were commenting on his comment that was about that. I shouldn't, I put a ribbon on it or a bow, as they'd say. I don't know, one of those things. Well, now you have a wound. So use the ribbon as a turn. The bandage, yes, the bleeding, which is quite extensive right now. That's efficient.

Just a heads up. The New England Patriots, Greg Rosenthal. Okay, I'm going to ask the question and then quickly answer it myself, hopefully. Is this enough for Drake May, like around? Drake May. That was the most great comment ever. Go ahead. Love Jalen Polk. Seems like a Robert Woodesian type of guy that can step in fairly soon and contribute. Javon Baker was a guy. People loved it. He's a fourth round pick. We'll see. The offensive line, they're going to have to coach it up. They take a third round pick.

They don't really have a left tackle right now. But it's pretty deep at receiver. Kendrick Boren, DeMario Douglas, Jalen Polk, Jujus, Schuster, KJ Osborne. It's a ton of third receivers, but they do have at least a bunch of them. I tend to think, if you add in Remandrie and Antonio Gibson, they have enough people around them and they have Jacoby Brissette. I'm mostly worried about the coaching. That is Alex Van Pelt and who else, like their quarterbacks coach. And then our old friend from New York, why am I blanking right now,

who's on the staff too? Like, is the coaching staff going to be good enough? Because it's, to me, a lot of discarded pieces at wide receiver and in the coaching staff offensively that have to like make this all. work cohesion-wise. I think Van Pelt's going to bring us Defansky type offense, you know, largely. And I, you know, that's not a huge

wide receiver type of offense. But why was he the one guy that no one ever wanted to interview? And I was thinking to Ben McAdoo, by the way. No one wanted his photo on the website. He's still rocking the hair. They didn't call plays. That's what I mean. So there's that. I mean, but I think it's interesting to see what happens with these wide outs because they kind of zigged

and took like five straight offensive players. I like trying around May to build them up. But Belich drafted 21 wideouts and only one of them. Deon Branch ever crossed 600 yards in a season. So it's like at some point you got a hit on one of these. Well, Julian Edelman, but technically he wasn't a wide out. Be fair.

I mean, Julian? Not a wide receiver. When he was a draft he was a quarterback. He was a quarterback. Yeah. Comes in quarterback. They figured it out. You know, it's all. A true wide receiver in the draft. So, yeah. Yeah, go back to the Chad Jackson draft. I believe

the Patriots took him 17. Ethel Johnson was a second round pick. Tycoon Thornton is a guy didn't even mention. He was a second round pick two years ago. is going to make the team. But eventually, like, these things are going to even out. And the Patriots are going to hit on somebody. I don't know if it's a Belichick thing. If it was an evaluation thing, who knows.

But the whole thing is a big question mark to me. Not just the coaching staff and disassembly, but it's not going to be worse than Matt Patricia offense. Like, it's not going to be, change is going to be good in that capacity. And I think it will give us an ability to learn. But before the season, who knows? It will be interesting to track, Gregi. I know you will be tracking it closely

that the Pats moved back to take Jolin Polk at 37 when Ladd McConkey was there. So now you're naturally going to kind of be tracking both those guys and see who's the better pro. There was a report. They tried to trade into 32. Buffalo, or Carolina chose to trade with Buffalo. And then the Patriots moved back.

So Mike Reese suspects they were moving up for either Keon Coleman or Xavier Leggett. And then that guy was taken. Hmm. It's tough. Tough. Tough. We move on.

The New York Jets. Mm. Deserved it. You're just trying to be punctually. I'm actually, I'm going to take a time out. There it goes. Give me that time out. Time out.

Go ahead. I just wanted to put a little bit of news onto the show. ATA. Media inside. Inside. Inside. Greg Rosenthal. For the truth.

Grays. to take someone else's bit that they made and repurpose it. But I'll let you have it. An original. You couldn't have come up with one on your own. It's all yours. And we got breaking media news from the podcast that our guy Bill Belichick will be a part of the Tom Brady roast that Mark Sessler is attending this weekend. And I am for one, and looking forward to Bill Belichick, roast.

Tom Brady in a big spot at the dais. It's funny. I was telling someone, like, how do you have this roast without one of two people, if not both? Belichick's showing up,

obviously. He seems to be doing the rounds and makes sense from him. But also, I don't know, Giselle, I throw Giselle in there. At this point, they can co-apparent. I don't think you're getting Giselle. But we're getting Belichick,

and I kind of had a feeling that was going to happen. And we've got a friend who's actually working on the production from a... Well, that's why, you know, this is exclusive around the NFL news. And I always know breaking here.

I mean, as an insider, people shouldn't be able to know your sources immediately. I know exactly who your source was. Sure. What does that matter? True insiders know who's getting the beep from where. Sound threatened.

Maybe, maybe not. Ben Affleck was listed as probable. Not totally locked in, but it sounds like a Ben Affle. We have good seats, too, by the way up in the middle of nowhere. It stands my original point

that I made on Saturday night, you know, making Belichick go through these dances. Now he's at some dopey roast. Well, but these are, he's a grown man who is choosing to accept money. No, he's doing what you're telling him to do. He's choosing to accept money in exchange for having some fun or doing something. Well, people are getting paid for this?

Yeah, and P.S, the event that I'm going to is not dopey. That's your take. Well, people, what, you think they're doing it for free? I have no idea. Maybe I actually, I don't know. My understanding of this entire engagement, I can't, I would rather watch another 60 episodes of Blaze in the Monster Machines or Paw Patrol. I am interested in anything in the world more than a roast of Tom Brady

featuring Bill Belichick or the Patriots I've seen enough Patriots, I'm done with the Patriots. People are down on this. Not fair boy. People are not pleased with this event. I was surprised because when I told Emeka this, she was like, would you want to try to go? And I was like, this feels weird, I know.

Or you guys are all like too cool for this event. No, now that Belichick is in it, I want to watch it. I'm going to watch it, but I don't want to. spend our Sunday afternoon. I'm not too cool for anything. I would, again, anything on the planet, I'll go to an astrological convention.

I'll have a palm reader. I do not. I'm not interested. We can arrange that. There's going to be clips on my timeline and people can be like, oh, this is so cool. That's where I stand. So I say at least if I'm going,

I don't have to look at any of those clips ever. Yeah, but then you have to sit in that chair for five hours because it's a TV production. There's something. Speaking of post-quiet storm, Mark Sessler, way on my, radar not in a negative way but like you got all these weird events now like you're always going to different things this is this is a new cess dog move as well this was a like a surprise purchase for me

I didn't like you know I want to go though would you have gone if it wasn't purchase wouldn't have occurred to me like to go I don't think well can you will you be able to give us some boots on the ground reporting next week I was thinking I'd maybe like from the venue so it's like the old WFAN NFL things where they report from stadiums, like, get the crowd noise behind us and I give you a two minute report. My guess is it will be brutally sanitized in the edit, so Tom Brady Corp

doesn't let certain things through, but they can't get past Mark Sessler. At least they say it's live. No, they say it's live. Are you going to have to sign something? Live, live? I think so. I don't think so. You have to turn in your phone? I won't do that. Mark Sessler arrested Saturday.

Good scoopage, Greg. like it's you are the Tom Pelliserro to my Ian Rappaport and I think that's a fair way to look at it and just like Ian is not at all threatened by Tom Pellero, nor am I All right, time in Nice

Have fun Mark It's more like a half-time show than a timeout Where is it at the forum? Yes My God, yep Wait really? Yeah, never been there. That's huge.

Are you gonna be in, what kind of seats do you have? If I recall they were they weren't like nosebleeds they were pretty good. Free parking. Perk of working with the company here? Yeah, I could park in our garage. Yeah. It's the last remaining perk.

Up next, New York Jets. Real talk, as much as the diehards right here, were locked and loaded on the idea of the Jets as a legit title contender immediately upon Rogers' arrival last April, Aaron Rogers. It's fair to acknowledge now with the benefit of hindsight that that could have been seen as a stretch

because exploding Achilles or no, the roster was flawed, the offensive line was bad, the skill positions, shaky. And I think now the jets have clearly benefited from the distance of the Rogers honeymoon period, the influx of Aaron's guys who ultimately didn't work out. Mike Williams, huge upgrade over Alan Lazard. How can third round rookie Malachi Corley not be better than Randall Cobb? Tyrant Smith, Morgan Moses, first round hook, Ola Foshanu, massive steps up from the tackles last year.

I can't get these green, rose-tinted glasses off my feet. face, you know that, so you're going to have to tell me. Am I nuts? Or did the Jets, dare I say, quietly have a great offseason? I don't think anything about it's been quiet, but I do expect that it's going to be. I guess in relation to last year. When you get to training camp, once we finally get to the season, people are like, actually, this is going to be the year for the Jets and they become like a trendy pick again. Because on paper, I think the roster construction is better than it was a year ago when they had all that hype and they have some insurance policies

like Alan Lazard for instance you mentioned it's like he's still wide receiver four but that's kind of a perfect role for Alan Lazzard outside of Zach Wilson Douglas has done a nice a very nice job hitting on key draft picks and I and so I out you know last year it was a disaster

sure back there's been a jury's out on Will McDonald's there's been a couple misses but I would say that you've you this is not a surprise I think the thing is I want to see number one how the NFL responds to the Jets overall world when the schedule comes out I think it's going to be a little more caution than to throw them on five or six games

and I think they'll be on five or six I mean I don't know though because something feels more like a prove it year to me but I do think like outside of maybe the fact they're going to have to monitor Brock Bowers who they passed on which could have been a very spicy pick for the Jets like I do think they're better I like what they did

they traded up for Corley who is very similar to me to what Christian Watson was coming out of college and what Aaron Rogers can serve like a limited route tree but a guy who can make plays after the catch and that's and that's an important part where you can do things and it's just how long is the adjustment period with Aaron to where he's wanting where Aaron wants him to run right and it's you know Aaron's tried to do that by bringing in guys that he's previously played with I think it's a nice meld now of like Tyrant Smith like these veteran guys who

were still like towards the end but can still be productive as well as young guys it's a lot to feel great about, but it's the Aaron Rogers, as well as, you know, his offensive coordinator, hand-picked offensive coordinator, is this going to work? That is one thing, like, Nate Hackett, show us why you're in this position

on any level. Time out. Time out. You knew that was going to happen. So here's this. Check this out. On Friday morning, New York Jets coach, Robert Sala, channel does his inner Sunny Weaver? This is a writer from Rich Sommini at ESPN.com.

Does anybody know who Sunny Weaver is? Sunny Weaver is Kevin Costner's. Kevin Costner's character. Everybody knows it. Right. Using a line from the 2014 film draft day. Check it out if you're watching on YouTube at 1109 a.m. About eight hours before the start of the second round of the draft,

Saul texted a photo of Malachi Coralie to GM Joe Douglas. Underneath the photo, he wrote, no matter what. Douglas immediately replied, no matter what. my point being first of all you know congrats to my team they wanted that guy

in day two they got him the bigger point is draft day like I mean I we've all talked about the movie on record

not not a good movie by any stretch but I have to give it pop Patrick it's got legs it has a cultural footprint people talk about it

every year around this time it makes me wonder like what if they what if we actually made a good movie about the draft that would be a classic uh but even in its flawed form draft day has an audience and people have obviously been coming back to the movie and i'm a little stunned but yeah good job by them i don't know how many people are still

we're referencing it are people going back and were you watching it yes it seems to be a thing a little of a cult classic around draft time people watching i still have yet to watch it i never need to i keep meaning you don't need to i'll give you a tip I just feel like people talk about it every year around Draft Day, you know, that week and people start watching it again. So that means that Greg skipped the company event where they brought us to the Century City movie theater. And I remember Wes went, you went, you went, Greg hard out.

Another thing you're too cool for. You were too cool for that event. What year was that? 2014. Yeah. It's all a sneak preview. Yeah, well, they just said the 2014 film draft day and what you read before. Which then led to your icon.

review of the film. I will never do that again in my life. I was at my parents' house and we've just gotten there. It was like these guys called me. And I had, you know, I had a couple glasses of wine with my mom and dad. And then I'm like overly glowing about draft day. I wrote a paragraph. But look at it now.

Now it doesn't seem so what I said that what I said seems absurd. Full of heart from Sir Defend. Yeah. They took the they took one little clipped part of it. There was some critique in there too, but it's like let's take the little clipped part and make Mark, I just want to know how many front offices like are exchanging these sort of text

because it wasn't quite no matter what. 32 teams had the chance to prevent them from doing it throughout round two. And they did trade up. They were trying to trade up. Just like Sonny Weaver. Right. They said throughout the second round but didn't find the right deal. And then eventually they got Corley.

But maybe this is happening everywhere, but then they don't get the guys. I do want to point out, though, Steve Smith had him as his number 10 receiver in the draft, ahead of Ricky Pearsall, head of Jalen Polk. And that just spoke to me because I was like, in a perfect world, maybe Malachi Corley has a little Steve Smith to him in terms of his game. So game recognized game, similar styles on some level

that if Steve Smith liked him that much, that's a good vote of confidence. It's very unbrand that we've had two timeouts already. We're still in the AFC East and they've come around the Jets and the Patriots. We've got a Browns one coming up too, I'm guessing. To that point, Malachi was also a subject, our friends at Underdog

Josh Norris and Hayden Winks had a really good review of Corley that he's been compared by some to Debo Samuel but he doesn't have nearly the explosive traits as Samuel but he has the ability to maybe be a really good piece for them. All right.

Now we move on to the AFC North but first we take a break. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find

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Great, welcome back. We moved to the AFC North, and Patrick Claibon is going to get us started with his Baltimore Ravens. Yes, the Baltimore Ravens had all those departures on the offensive line, and they did ultimately take Roger Rosengarde in the second round but to me the plan appears to be Ben Cleveland and Andrew Voorhees to fill things out at guard which I love is sticking with a plan

if you have that level of attrition on the offensive line you can't just say hey we're going to draft some guys and then have a bunch of rookies playing like that that never works so you stick with the plan that they have and then they take Nate Wiggins I know people

had expressed some size concerns with Nate Wiggins but some of that he was sick before the combine i think he played closer to 180 they needed to become more athletic in the secondary my overall question about the ravens is this continued attrition the addition of an extra hardball into the league has created more attrition we've got a defensive coordinator that's a head coach of seattle you look around the league there's more ravens filtered out everywhere at what point does it begin to accumulate and we start to see some effects you won't feel them as dramatically if they keep hitting on their draft picks

and if Eric Takasta keeps signing quality free agents late in the process. It does feel like the last two years especially. It's amazing they got the one seed in a year that I thought last year was kind of a rebuilding year for them in terms of all the people that they left. Just in terms of team building cycles, I don't think they're going to be losing this many people every year. But DeCosta has needs, I would say, at wide receiver, edge, cornerback, and offensive line still. And so I think they will be adding more. 500 snap type veterans that are just sitting out there than most teams. And that has during these periods of attrition,

like been something that DeCosta and before him, Ozzy Newsom, Ozia Newsman is still there, have done almost every offseason. And they tend to hit on those guys at a high percentage. So it's like I'm not out on the Ravens like declining necessarily. To me, it's like I don't like losing Mike McDonald's,

who I think is going to be like an awesome coach in Seattle. and maximize that Ravens roster in a way that you don't get every year. And so that's a big, I don't like coordinator switches in general. I like that they locked up in a surprising move, Rashad Bateman for a couple years. And I was like, why did they sign? They really are banking on Rashad Bateman. But it turns out he wasn't eligible for his fifth year option

because he didn't report. He said he was going to be a free agent, but he's now signed for three years. And they were really counting on him. I mean, he's there two right now. Tess Walker, who drove me crazy. like a loophole for first round pitch. Well, and I wondered about it.

Very Ravens-esque. It's very difficult to utilize that loophole because immediately when I saw it, I was like, can players utilize this? That's what I mean. But it turns out if you miss any amount of time, then your league year can't accrue, whether it's, if it's a mandatory workout. And so I guess in theory, somebody could get stuck in traffic and lose a year of accrual on that first day of mandatory camp, I don't know, but it's hard for player to you.

But Batemans are two, Aguards, they're three. I don't really trust Des Walker. I mean, he was a dart throw in the fourth round. I trust Walker Rosenthal. No, it's totally separate conversation. Itchy trigger finger. He is an insider on the rise that Walker Rosenthal. Am I on a podcast?

About what? The NFL? Does he have Ian's phone number two? Maybe. I thought you were talking about. He has access to Greg's phone. I was like, is this a Roger Rosengarten? joke. I do like the Rosengarden garden in the

Rosengarden. All right. Let's move on. All right. That was good. The Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals quietly took some big swings in their draft. We've talked about Amari Mims, a freakishly gifted, wikidly talented tackle prospect with just eight college starts, but the potential to be an all pro if it all clicks. It made me think of our old friend, Chris Wessling, his fantasy theory, don't settle for the sturdy floor. Shoot for the limitless ceiling.

and live with the potential whiff. Don't tell Chris Ballard, I said this, but character concerns scared some teams away from Alabama receiver, Jermaine Burton. But he's another example of a high ceiling prospect. They even took a day three swing on a tight end. Eric All, who had that knee, bad knee, and spine injury in college bad combo there,

but we'll see if he's okay. The Bengals have shown skill in their acquisition of college talent. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. With Joe Burrow on the mend, a big draft could get them over the hump. We talked about Jermaine. Burton on our draft winners and losers episode.

I think he slides in and plays a lot. I like this draft. I think Mims, it's kind of like they certainly have a type at tackle, but they also, I think Chris Jenkins is a good player who helps with a need. They gave the third most yards per carry on the ground that defense a year ago. Defense kind of sneaky fell apart at times last year, and it's like they need help. Right. They signed Sheldon Rankins.

It's wild that there's a Chris Jenkins back in the NFL, Chris Jenkins. The dad was not like a highly touted. Was he a highly touted prospect coming out? But it was an absolutely ridiculous beast. Biggest person I've ever seen in person. Steffing into the newsroom. The thing they have to be concerned about is their secondary. They decided not to use a pick there.

Cam Taylor Brits coming off injury, but you feel good about him. But after that, you're counting on second year guys, DJ Turner, Jordan Battle to really step up. Gino Stone is a bit of an unknown as a free agent pickup. And a lot of questions in the secondary. Yeah. If Gino Stone is the unknown, then that's, I feel like Gino Stone could be a known quantity. He could be great, but it's a guy in a new system, you know, that hasn't always started, 16 games, that sort of thing. But I think it helps in evaluating, especially the new guys, the newer guys, like, you know, Dax Hill coming in and how you're going to move everybody in the secretary.

If you have somebody where it's like, we've seen him be successful in this. And so now we know a little bit more with the rest of our guys. But it's, I think they were aggressive. like you could say that they were reaches I'm with Dan like they took the aggressive route and we'll have to see because you have to take chances in order to be successful

Are we concerned at all about a backfield that is in theory led by Zach Moss No you got chase I thought we liked Zach Moss I liked him last year but that's that's one year where I thought he did come in in relief for the Colts and looked good but that's not been every other season for him

it's just it's a whole when they could batter people on the ground they'd help the passing game a ton. There are very few guys who can handle the volume that Joe Mixen did in the run and pass game last year, like very few. At last point, they got trashed in the trenches last year when they started 0 and 5, so

three of their first four picks in the trenches. Up next. The Cleveland Browns with Mark Sessler. All right, the Cleveland Browns have a two-time coach of the year in Kevin's DeFansky. Oh, hell yeah.

If healthy, we will. This is a wait and see, but if healthy, they have arguably the best back in the AFC and Nick Chubb. This is one of the best offensive lines in the conference. They basically kept everyone on defense, including Jim Schwartz, the play caller, after operating as the nastiest unit around a season ago. They've got a tight end in Dave Nogoku, Dan's guy, coming off in autumn where he played like a star. There's a rash of pro bow talent on this roster on both sides of the ball. And yet we don't talk about the Browns as sitting in any sort of a Super Bowl window or even as a top five team in the AFC for the most part. Is it just because of the

quarterback? Because I think that's obviously the obvious talking point. But like the Browns to me, no matter the talent, feels like they're not in the conversation to go win multiple playoff games. This is a great win now year for them. They won 11 games a year ago. I think you're absolutely right. Like, it's a veteran team. There's a lot of continuity. I noticed that they might be the only team in the NFL, someone out there tell me if I'm wrong. They don't have any projected starters that were drafted in the last two years. Part of that is

the Sean Watson trade. Part of that is just how they've built their roster. So it's a team of guys who have been there who have shown they're pretty talented. They got some questions maybe at like linebacker here and there. But for the most part, you're right. They should be good if they get the quarterback help.

And the quarterback help is presumably going to be better. Right? Like that's I mean, they've shown they can be good with average quarterback play. He doesn't even need to be that good. And so why not? Yeah, Mark's right.

Like, why? I think, you know what I think it is, Mark? I think it's the Watson tax that they're still paying on different levels because not only is Watson now in year three after two seasons that one lost to suspension, the second loss to not playing at a high level than getting hurt. You have a segment of the media and NFL fans that aren't really rooting for the Browns to be successful.

And then there's the football. of like you can't win and win a Super Bowl without a good quarterback and like we don't have any evidence that he is that since he put on this uniform. No, because you have these teams out there. I remember the Rams were trying to do this before they got golf and everyone else was

build a really great roster and do quarterback last and like cool. But the Browns I think have done that under Andrew Barry who's one of the better GMs out there and it's like but you went and spent more money than anyone on the thing that should have been like the absolute engine that starts this thing and it's like we're three we're entering year three where we have nothing

but increasingly alarming questions about the position. The concern would be that Jim Schwartz's defense takes a step back. There's no reason why it should on paper, but just if you look at Jim Schwartz's career, it's had some big spikes. And like a lot of defensive coordinators, like it's hard to keep that going year after year. But they're good up front on both sides of the ball.

The team. It doesn't help that the last thing we saw was then run out of NRG Stadium 45 to 14. I think that probably leaves. Yeah, a lot of turnovers. Tuffy. the rival of the Cleveland Browns. The Pittsburgh Steelers with Greg Rosenthal. Right.

Everyone loved the Steelers draft. There's a thing I saw where it adds up all the grades. And so it's consensus grades. And the Steelers finish first. Like Steelers were uniformly A's across the board by investing in their offensive line with Fatanu. Maybe fell a little bit. Very athletic.

Zach Frazier looks like a start. So you get two guys who can probably play right away up front. Russell, I mean, Roman Wilson is a receiver that can contribute right away as a third round pick. And then Peyton Wilson, just a really exciting,

talented guy that fell because people think he's only going to have one contract in the NFL. The quarterback is a thing. But when Mike Tomlin said, Russell Wilson Fields, Arthur Smith on our network, like, these guys have all been scalded.

Am I a fool to buy in? When Mike Tomlin says, like, they've all been scalded, and they essentially, they got something to prove. Am I a fool to, buy in that like, man, this roster, I could see it.

No, he's a leader of men that Mike Tomlin and when he speaks, even if you are thousand miles away, three thousand miles away, you believe that's, that's his thing. You ever have a fantasy draft? I think we all have where, uh, you just feel like the gods are with you a little bit. And every time your turn comes up, that it's, there's something there that you want that's sitting there. And I feel like getting a tackle at, uh, with the first pick, then getting the center. And then you get the wide receiver.

We know the Steelers know how to pick wide receivers in the middle round. then you add with a linebacker. Yeah, I trust them, and it's going to be interesting to see what happens with this team. Yeah, like Daniel Jeremiah looked at the first five picks and they were all value picks. And that's what the Steelers do when they're on their game. And Zach Frazier, especially, the center out of West Virginia,

like I keep it over and it's like, this is a Steelers type of player at the core. They won the consensus board game. You know how you got on Howie about that. Like Steelers kind of won that too. But to me, it makes sense how they're building the rod. If these are going to be their quarterbacks, how they're building the roster around them makes sense.

they might add another receiver, Bryant McFadden, who used to be on the team and is in the media now, said he heard they're adding another playmaker. There were reports that they were in on the Cortland Sutton conversation.

I don't know who that would be. Maybe it's just like O'Dell Beckham and that he could be a good role play for them. I don't know. Justin Fields and Russell Wilson, same quarterback room. I forgot about that. That's crazy.

I'd play them both. It's going to be wild. It's going to be wild summer. Just have them. I mean, everybody ends up playing anyway. right so well it's it's very rare that that everybody's going to somebody's going to need a backup quarterback and the Steelers are in a very very good position definitely better in terms of their quarterback room than they have been in a very very long time if the men involved are

comfortable with you know the arrangement you know I wonder what the juice is going to be behind the scenes hard knock Steelers would be good oh everybody would say the right thing I'm getting those projected starters ready oh hell yeah the first tough question was field or Russell Wilson. My gut is Fields. I just think he's better. They're saying Russell is the guy. I'm with you.

But they're saying. Mike T's going to make the right pick. Yeah. I didn't want it to happen to you. That's okay. I want it. You took it. I was looking at the clock.

Raise a shot, by the way, too. That NFL Network Polo actually has magical power. Bounces the bullets off. Apparently all our shirts do. Let's... Sell the bit more. All right. I will.

You got a geyser wound A little quiet storm coming in. All right. Take a break. We'll be right back with the AFC South. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development

to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day.

Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHard. radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, we are back. Let's move to the AFC south. around the AFC we are going around the AFC in 48 minutes hit the clock the Texas no picks in the top 40 but they address both sides of the ball in the second round Georgia cornerback Camari Lasseter and Notre Dame offensive tackle Blake Fisher so after a draft that plugged holes a depth chart weaknesses we spin forward with a team that has been widely favored to win the AFC South make a deep playoff run Stefan Diggs is in the building so you add that uh you know there was a upsetting incident around tank dell who was

involved in a shooting but he appears to be okay and that's great anyway we're old enough to answer this question because we all know the history of this franchise goes back to 2002 is this the deepest and best houston texans roster in franchise history i would say that it's number one by far the best quarterback situation they've had they're pretty deep all over the place i think they have the best coaching staff they've had in the modern day NFL ever and like there's not you look around on both sides of the ball there's not a lot to not like I think some of these is they they're young they need these drop picks to come in and play a lot but it's like yes this is the highest ceiling Texas team Texans team I've

ever seen in fairness we just talked about Deshawn Watson right before the madness right he was a high level quarterback so by far feel strong but C.J. Stroud you can't quibble with how great he was as a rookie I'll stick with it though but yeah I'll give the edge to the Texans team that had the 24-0 nothing lead over the eventual Super Bowl champ Chiefs on the road like that was that was a very good team I can't say because you look at like

the nuke on that team there was JJ JJ JJ I think was JD Clowny still on that team they had they had like highly drafted guys that were producing and big parts of that squad which they have on this one I think I would be willing to make that case after this year

but they're very very solid all the way through and I just want to see. Is that the 2021? What's it? Texans? No, that 2019. 2019, sorry. Growing up very, very fast.

I don't know where the ceiling. Hey, Texas fan out there thinking, hey, how about that Matt Schab team that went 12 and 4? That was a good team. Had JJ Watt at his absolute peak. You said Matt Schaub though. Yeah, had JJ Watt at his absolute peak. Andrew Johnson.

I'll do respect. Two Hall of Famers, though, at their peak with Andre Johnson and J.J. Y and Aaron Foster at his peak. It was a fun team. Those teams used to get it wiped out in the playoffs. And then they weren't. So I do think you look at their offensive line and their secondary and Texas fans are so high on this roster. And I do think, look, they drafted a right tackle, Blake Fisher that was kind of after a big drop off at the position and hoping maybe he can play right away.

I do think they got a little unlucky with a couple cornerbacks going or defensive backs going right before Lasseter. I think the secondary and the offensive line, they're hoping to be average. And so I don't think they're totally all the way there. this was a team, you know, that was just building. But with C.J. Stroud, anything's possible. I'll take it. The 2019 Texans. Newk, as we said, Kenny Spills, Will Fuller,

rookie Laramie Tunsell, I believe, or young Laramie Tunsell. Let's see. No, because he had come over from... That's right. He came from Miami's. DJ Reader is there, young reader. Yeah. J.J. Watt, still at a high level.

Yeah, that's a very good run. I will take this coaching step over what O'Brien was offering. For sure. And the front office. All right. Up next in the AFC South is the Indianapolis Colts with Greg Rosenthal.

I'm into this team. Looked around it kind of just, I was just curious like the division odds. You know, we're not allowed to do stuff like that. But we're not? I am confused. I thought we could. We're allowed to look.

In your private time, you Colts, plus 330 to win the division third behind the jazz. Jaguars. This to me is a team that has just been fine for a while, and they took some big swings on some real talented players in terms of 80 Mitchell and Laiatulatu, and then you get the extraordinarily talented Anthony Richardson back. It's a very talented team that was right there with Houston to end last season, despite not having a quarterback. To me, they're 1A, 1B. I see them as closer than the rest of the, than those odds would indicate. And I see them ahead

of the Jaguars by a decent amount. Do you guys think they're ready to win now? Yeah. And win what? Because they didn't one lap. No, I think the Texans are going to like find a way to win that division by at least two games. What if, you know, now you got this quarterback back. If he turns out to be the guy that he hinted he was and then everyone fell in love with,

that Ben is the X factor that takes this team and really does make them at the level potentially of the Texans. They're very interesting team to track. Chris Ballard's a GM, so I like that too. Yeah, and so much, this was a team that almost was in. This was a team that was in it against the Texans with Gardner Minchu at quarterback. And considering the growth that we saw from Richardson

at the start of the season, I have every bit of reason to believe that they would have been a better team if Richardson finishes things out. It was just, you know, I mean, he's a bit of a TBD. It's certainly fascinating, but like, I think that Ballard, you know, he's just, he does not move off of what he wants to do. And I know that they've,

had a tough time finding the quarterback until maybe now. But they already were like the fifth best pass rush win rate team a year ago and add LATU to that. And they were, I remember I tried to make this pitch about them being an interesting to see him a year ago and people weren't buying it. But it's like weekly, on a weekly basis, that defensive front was beating people up. So if anything, if you can get to Stroud and Trevor Lawrence and the rest of the quarterbacks in this division, you got a shot.

Pretty good line. Very intriguing defensive line. Adding Latu to that mix, as you mentioned. And secondary is a concern. They're very young there, and they're hoping their second year guys develop. But I just liked the coaching. Not so much Gus Bradley. I think he's solid.

He's a good defense coordinator, but Stuyken gives me confidence. This team just felt like it's like a, but it's kind of average. And then now maybe you add some exciting draftics in Richardson, that that's the little sprinkle on top of this. I think that's, to me, like, they were commendable for fighting through everything last year, staying in the mix of the very end. Right. But obviously lacking something that gave them sizzled.

That's Richardson, hypothetically. And our buddy, Chris Ballard, who we listened to the other day, listen to this when the first defensive player in the draft falls to him at 14. Here's his reaction. This video coming from Colts.com, Dan. We had the best fucking rush in the draft. I know that cackle. With the hair slick back?

I love this guy. Oh, I think he looks better than he's ever looked. And he's, you know, he's chuckling in the middle of the war room. He's comfortable. He's swearing in newsers. I love it. More Chris Ballard. Look at that.

I'll take the dart. Like now I'm looking at his hair from the side shot. This is conditioned. This is, he's put money into this hair. Like I said on Saturday, he looks about 12 years younger

to me than he did at other points in this cult run. You know what he's... I know, Mark. What? I know. You keep saying it. I know.

But I'm saying now he's almost, I think he maybe he's trying to crib off less need a little bit. He's like cribing off the notes of less need physically. Look, look. It's very much Tom Brady's long hair. Take a look at this, a quaff.

I don't think so. And listen, there are worse P.Ns. I want to hear more of why you made that face. Well, I mean, that's a stretch. I think he felt like you were comparing someone to the goat in less need. No, I'm just saying. Less is like a nine out of ten physically. I'm not saying that, but.

No, and I think less puts more energy and attention probably into his particular look than Chris Ballard does. This looks like this is slick back hat, take off hat. I'm inside. I'm a hard disagree really yeah as a hair guy that's not that's not accidental it does tell me like significant other or a female presence at some point encouraged him to euthanize the look not euthanize

euthanize his old look yeah to youth up to youth up right well I believe I believe him and his wife have a lot of five children they do I believe I have separated him and his wife have no I'm just good many kids family some you know that's that maybe speaks to a potential midlife crisis but in a good way like it doesn't seem like he's in a crisis seems like he's come he's dodged a lot of cult's crises like very effective kind of come out the other side very true very true all right that was a timeout

i don't know what listen i didn't hear dart i didn't hear a time out it just exists in the ether i mean eric is understandably just said you know there's no consequence to anything that wasn't very much about the team it was more ballards there it is see great judgment by A. T.P. Trying to be, you know, less trigger-happy this episode, guys. You know what? You're maturing. You're about to become a father. Yeah. You can't be throwing darts around at people for no reason. Don't be firing guns as a newborn, a new father.

Jaguars of Jacksonville with Patrick Claibon. Thanks, guys. I'm confused. You're welcome. I'm not really sure. I love Brian Thomas Jr. I think he gives the Jackson Field stretching capability that they kind of tried to halfway do by committee with everybody else and put Calvin Ridley in weird situations that didn't necessarily seem to suit Calvin Ridley.

He's a real true top-in speed guy that I think with a healthy Trevor Lawrence will be successful. But I'm looking at the rest of the picks and I don't really know what necessarily Trent Belke's plan is. I know they bring in the linebacker coach from LSU. I can't, I'm blanking on his name.

I think Matt House perhaps. so they ultimately take two LSU defenders who were highly recruited guys, one of them very athletic in Mason Smith as well as Jordan Jefferson, but this LSU defense never stopped anybody the entire season

and Jaden Daniels and Malik neighbors and BTJ like they're running up and down the field score a million points. They could not stop anybody. And so it was just a very confusing conglomeration of choices considering their needs, right? Because they're very solid at the edge.

I believe Trevon Walker is going to have the growth. But I'm just, I'm not sure what the plan is. What do you guys think that Jacksonville Jaguar's plan is on defense? To amass as many guys who look great coming off the bus. That's just Trent, that's balky ball. That's what he wants. The Bartak heads, no. That's what he wants to do.

And it hasn't worked that well. And their secondary to me is a huge concern. Like how does this team stop the Texans and other good passing teams? They drafted a guy Jerry and Jones. in the third round that wasn't that highly thought of. They are the anti-stealers and eagles in terms of the consensus board.

After the Bryant-Thomas pick, which I thought was savvy, great trade-down, love the pick. After that, Balky's off on his own island, taking guys rounds before they're expected to go. And that's just how he rolls. That's Trent Balky. He's the opposite of what we're talking about

the how he grows. Got his own world. Yes, he does. I think they are a bit of a, like from a cute, rating angle just because the South went from like floating garbage to like white hot in like the course of a calendar year because you know a year ago we were fascinated by the Jaguars and not really questioning the team building at that point and they'd been active in free

agency on wide receivers paid them a lot and it worked but it's like they I don't think you can survive in the NFL with a with a C minus or very big question mark cornerback room one small bit of news relatively small not for Zay Jones is that they released Zay Jones on Tuesday so they're rolling with Gabe Davis. Devin. Duverne is there too is like kind of wide receiver I think it could

help them a little bit everyone dismissing them at this point and expectations are very low around this team if they care about everyone's falling

let me just talk about two teams like the Texans though like I said actually they have the cults behind them for what it's worth

right but cognizanti mm-hmm hmm the fuck does that mean doesn't matter the cognizanty thanks but

people aren't I got it I understand and I deserved it and it hurts Okay, the Tennessee Titans with Mark Sessley. Ain't nobody pumping up the Titans, but should they be, Mark? Well, they weren't able to have garage door size tackle Joe Alt, like 99% of humanity thought they were.

But I do think that getting J.C. Latham out of Alabama, because we trust Alabama, helps a lot. Their tackles last year had a 49.3 pass blocking grade per PFF. second worst in the NFL. They allowed 64 sacks last season, fourth most in the NFL, 160 over the past three years. Third most, that's why Ryan Tannahill was on crutches

when we were in London getting carted off and we saw him in the tunnel. Remember that? But now you've got Latham at left tackle. Big old boy, Pete Skoronsky at left guard, I like him a lot. Lloyd Cushenberry, three, at center,

and Magic Man, Bill Callahan tutoring the group. So they got an identity, and I like that. I don't get Devandre sweat in round two because he essentially got like a DUI right before. visiting with the Titans, seems like a... That was a play. Okay. No, I just got drunk. Very much TBD on that one.

But I think you've got a team that we knew a year ago had a desperate need along the offensive line and the wide receiver position. Now you've got DeAndre Hopkins. You got Calvin Ridley. Traylon Burks is a good three. I like them in that position versus where he was having to be before. We'll see. But it's a better situation for Will Love

us. But are you buying into the Brian Callahan Carnival of Love? Is there one existing? I've just called it that. Maybe that's why you can say you don't buy into it. I'm buying into Lloyd Cushenberry 3 being his nickname. I don't say the third.

I just say 3. Yeah. LC3. For a long time, he would always call him Roger Griffin 2. RG2. I. Or 3. Well, just keep an eye on their decision to not take Romadunzee there.

It's funny because Adam Schaefter reported or intimated that Joe Alt was going to go to the Giants. if he hadn't been taken. Roma Dunzee you pass on him to take Latham and then you pass on the receivers that were left in the second round and there were some intriguing ones to take sweat. So that's just something I'll keep an eye on because I'm not convinced that DeAndre Hopkins at this point of his career and really,

like you could have added another weapon. By the way, Ryan Tano's still a free agent. Come on Raiders. Interesting. Well, I just put him under the Raiders too. I was like, that is, why are you not, like, why is he still sitting out there? Give it a try.

Is he maybe pondering some things right now about his future? I don't know. Get this tanyhill sweeps down. I got beat up a little bit. I think you just didn't get any good offers. And maybe it might be a guy who waits to training camp. I do think he gets a job. Wait till after training camp. Not a starting job. Blacko it.

You know? Go full flacko. It can pay off. It can. Anything else about the Titans? Tough one. Not as much juice. They're very much of all these they're very much in transition. There's just a lot of transitional pieces. I mean, there's still major questions on the right side of their offensive line. The defense on paper looks good.

They have another one of the Ravens kind of assistance. Dernard Wilson coaching them up. I believe in Brian Callion because he brought his dad there. I'm with you. Shout out the dads. Hey, wait a second. Wait a second. Now, you could take your own issues with your father or whatever's going on with the Roberts house,

but you don't dart a man for speaking positively about his old man. It's out of bounds, Eric. Mark said, it was more on Mark's home. I think he was aiming at me from agreeing with someone else about something at the tail end of that. As a soon-to-be-dad, yeah, dads are awesome guys. Come on. Patrick Labon, do we trust Alabama implicitly in all ways? I don't know if it was the university or I wasn't sure.

I was saying the football program. Like, you know, in the Nick Saban era, like these guys come out as ready as from any university. How about the state? Come on. From Patrick. We don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's four million people, you know, all with hopes, dreams and desire. and yeah, you know,

I think you got a good shot, just as good a shot as anywhere else. A couple question marks there. Yeah, I mean, there's a few. We got some, we got some. Where did you grow up? I got a QAnon next door neighbor, so we got,

they're all over the place. Where'd you go up? Wait, in L.A. you do? Absolutely. I had, I had a weird, no, so full disclosure. All right, let's just take a time out. Yeah, let's take a time out.

We're in a transition period of the show post the division, so we don't need to. We're good. We're good. There's a guy on my street who has his own newspaper, right? And he passes out newspapers to a select few houses, always skipping ours, mainly because I didn't necessarily want him going through our trash. But anyway, yeah, that's another thing that he does.

So I go to the breezeway. Wait, how does he go through? What is going on? He walks through down the street. He opens people's trash cans and moves them and, like, reorganizes trash. and I have no idea why I Reorganizes. Yes. So you told them not to.

Yeah, I'm like, hey man, we're good on the trash. I'll put it in the street and then I'll take it back like we're good. I don't need you messing with our trash. A fair request. Yeah. So that was four years ago. Things are still weird. But one day, one of these flyers floated into the breezeway.

Uh-oh. And I pick it up. It was like full on Aaron Rogers for five pages. Uh-oh. Of the most inane and impossible things. and I'm like, what? And then I look and I see, you know, this proliferated through the street. So, yeah, I say that to say, you may think that you're in a place that's in a bastion of sanity

and people have yard signs that say love and support, but those people are not your friends and those people exist from sea to shining sea in this union. It's a great point, Pat. There's a newspaper that, you know, those free newspapers you can open up and just take them little community newspapers. There it is. Through journalism. Santa Monica's got a couple of them.

And I used to take them because sometimes you see, oh, there's Walker's friend and his soccer team won the 10 and under youth championship of Southern California. This is cool. Very nice.

And you float through it and it's mostly pretty normal. And then every once in a while you realize like, oh, the Santa Monica Mirror is actually like a hard alt-right organization which just throws, just sprinkles in.

little things every once in a while. So it's everywhere. It's everywhere. Mark? This guy, Patrick, is that a weekly paper? I mean, it sounds like a lot of work. So has he have stringers and other correspondence? It's not every week. I'll see if I could get some evidence. Maybe I'll tweet it out. Maybe I'll go, I've wanted to

take one from somebody's porch. But I feel like that's a boundary cross. Do you ever think of creating a competing independent newsletter? A counter newspaper? It's not subscriber based. He's just put in it on people's property. He's walking out and he's hand delivering this paper to... And Patrick Claibon's not getting a copy.

No. Nor do I want one. Right. Nor do I want one. I, you know, I would like to stay away. This feels like its own podcast, just tracking this neighborhood now. Yeah, this weird neighborhood situation... Bring one in so we can just assess what's going on here. I'll try to get one for you more. Okay. I'll try to get one. Let's take a break and we'll finish out the AFC.

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That would have been a sweet spot for the company Just to wave goodbye to me And they lost opportunity I guess what I'm trying to say is you kind of were proven Even if you were a little more over the top Than you wish you would have been History proved that it was not a forgettable film It is very much in the discourse

At least every spring. for us, you know. I'm taking the yell on it. Not for the reasons. Not for the reasons that I mentioned. Well, it was a little strong again, but I thought it was a draft day was not only forgettable. I thought it was a huge missed opportunity.

And yet, here it is. 10 years later. Well, people can go to NFL.com and read our, you know, they can find it. He said, he said, like, call him, right if it's still, who don't even knows. but you were you had some supportive words it wasn't all f minus from you read between the lines on it you can tell what was going on be between these lines let's head to the afc west with greg rosenthal what team of i

the denver broncos okay broncos i mean we're all we're all a little shaken up by the petro clay by neighborhood story, new narrative. Which, by the way, not for nothing. When we went to break, we got some more details that are not for air on this media group platform, but wild.

It's actually even darker than you to imagine. Let's restart the clock here. What is happening? El Sagano. All right, let's restart the clock. Sorry, Greg. Go ahead. The Broncos with Greg Rosenthal. So Sean Payton improved this offense from 28th to 19th in the league. He did coach them

up a little bit considering. By Every metric possible, they had a top 10 offensive line and basically bring back the same group. The wide receiver group, which you've heard Sutton is maybe available, is Cortland Sutton, Josh Reynolds, Troy Franklin, which is a fun dart throw, but it was a fourth round pick, played with Bo Nix in college, but a ton of production and Marvin Mims. Does Bo Nicks have, if Bo Nicks is good, does he have a chance to be good with this group around him? And more importantly, like, have they helped them enough with the defense, which fell off a cliff with Sean Payton arriving? They were 30th in the league in terms of devio. The only thing that kind of has thrown me for it,

because it was like Jerry Judy was on the trade block for like 42 years at one point there, and they finally made it happen. Now it's Sutton, and it's like, you're down to Mims, Greg Dulcich, and it's like, of the landing spots for quarterbacks, because, A, you're Bo Nix, and so you're not, you know, you're not Caleb Williams to begin with. I do think he could be very productive, though. I don't dislike Bo Nix from what I, from what I watch.

But I'd say this, like, it's not a great landing spot, except for the fact that, like, Sean Payton, when he's at his best, levels the entire offense up because of who he is. Sean Payton plus a good offensive line is. That's it. It's not, it's not the situation that happened with Bryce Young and Carolina because you have coaching that you believe in and maybe some structure and the ability to protect.

But yeah, this is not, they're not going to build Rome in a day here. No, it's going to take time. I just, I wonder, I'm looking back at the Zach Wilson, trade, and I know it's just $5 million, but considering the cap situation, it feels like $5 million that the Broncos really didn't... Jets are going to pay, I think, a big

chunk of that. Okay, well... We never got the follow-up, but that was... You did, actually. It was I think, what was it, $8 million, and I think they took on like three and a half, something like that. Okay. Well, then three and a half makes me feel better than five, but it's... I just don't know...

It seems like a lot. Because it's a... It's a lot to live up to, and it feels like considering the way that Russ made plays in spurts, I know Sean Payton and the Broncos weren't necessarily happy with the way that it was, but how does a rookie quarterback adjust to those expectations that it feels like Sean Payton has for the offense? And if it's not him, how does Zach Wilson, like, how is anybody going to live up to this idea of what a quarterback should be in this offense when the idea is one of the best people to ever play the game at the position? Right. I think having a coach this great at getting kind of like mid-level quarterback talent,

which we've seen when Drew Brees wasn't playing for the Saints and even last year to be productive is great, plus an offensive line is great. But a defense really helps you out. And I look at their defense. It was a bottom five defense in the league last year. And I don't really see a ton of reasons to believe that they're going to improve significantly. the defending champion Kansas City Chiefs with Mark Sessler. I think the Chiefs did exactly what the fan base demanded, if the fan base is allowed to demand anything at this point in time. But they moved up to take the fastest wide receiver in league history and Xavier Worthy out of Texas.

They grabbed a tackle, Kingsley-Layamaataya out of BYU and round two. Those were two needs, but I really like the worthy pick. Lance Zirlein described this tackle Kingsley as a thick-framed gentleman with adequate length sounds intriguing but now look at this off right but now look at this offense

you got Worthy's 4.21 speed and what I like about it is it takes some heat off of the concept of Hollywood Brown as being whatever he would have been in that it's like he's a added weapon along with we'll see Rishi Rice at some stage and all this makes me kind of think like after we were wondering of Travis Kelsey

who's just had his deal extended, is this guy going to retire? Does he look the same? Like, it's a good for Travis Kelsey. Two more years. Two more years. And it's like you got people around and that's going to make like,

wait a minute, we got a deal with Travis Kelsey on top of all this speed. And so I kind of just wonder, and I feel like I ask this all the time that is like, is the entire regular season just like a dog and pony show leading society exactly where we know

will be come next February because I think the team got better. I think the chiefs, despite winning it again, and two times in a row they've won the Super Bowl. I have questions to answer to me on their offense and the moves that they made make sense.

None of them like, I know the guy is the fastest guy in the combat ever, but I'm not locking him in as a star and Hollywood Brown's never been a star. And Travis Kelsey, like, let's not forget, he looked slower and older last year. So what version do you get of him? So are the chiefs going to be back to their high-flying ways?

I'm not convinced. I'm interested to see what they look like this year. I think there's a lot of calls for optimism. Because you can consider what are they replacing, right? Like what are the departures? Legerious need, of course, being A1, right? This is the guy that made plays where they probably wouldn't have been in the game in the Super Bowl, if not for Legerious need.

So that's the one. But other than that, you take MVS and replace him with Worthy, right? You've got Hollywood Brown coming in to fill, like, what you wanted Sky Moore to originally do, and now you get a veteran to kind of fill in that spot. You keep Travis Kelsey around. even though it's not really an extension. It's essentially just a raise, like, hey, thank you for being Travis Kelsey, which is cool.

Shout out of them. Do that for everybody. Yeah, they're the Kansas City Chiefs. They're inevitable. I think Worthy is a more complete player than a 4-2-1. Like, he was a guy who has great movements. He's just small, but he landed in the spot to make him a star. They have more weapons.

They have great continuity on defense. I counted up, I think they're going to start seven different players from the class of 2022, which is crazy. That's how you keep a dynasty going four in the secondary. They take this kid, Jaden Hicks, who was very high on Dane Bruegler's board in the fourth round. He'll probably wind up starting. That's the Spag's secret sauce.

They have 13 wide receivers. And to put a bow on what you said, once you get to this level, this rarefied air, yeah, it's just about getting through the regular season when you're 12 or 13. Hopefully the quarterback's healthy when you get to January.

Well, while we're taking Darts here. I saw the report from the Chiefs as Nate Taylor on the athletic. They tried to trade up for Amarius Mims. They were trying to get that tackle. So the left tackle is a big concern. Sue Matia, you know, he's like that 14th tackle

off the board. You know, the guy might be a little bit of a project. They were hoping to get Ameri's Mims. Didn't happen. They wound up with worthy. Time out. I have a question. I thought that was a time. We just took darts. We were taking darts there. I got a little game for you guys. Here you go.

All right. There you go. And here you go. A pen. Dan is giving us paper. Oh, thanks for that. I don't have a pen, so I appreciate that.

Okay, good. Thank you. All right. Jim Harbaugh. I mean, he's a huge figure. It's a dominating figure. Been very busy. Been very busy.

Over draft week. And everything else. Hit the music, Eric. He overshadows. everything else. Tell me, who is the general manager of the Los Angeles Chargers? Joe Horowitz, I think it is.

Okay, you're supposed to write it on the paper. Oh, sorry, sir. Okay. Mark was wrong, though, so... Yeah. Write it down, please. All right. All right. Reveal your answers. Patrick? Joe Hortiz.

Joe Hortiz. Oh, dang. I had Horitz. I had Horowitz, too. But you said Horowitz. Horowitz, but I mean, it's, you know... The correct answer is Hortiz. I think Jeopardy rules, although you guys had the right name in mind, Patrick is the one that gets the credit. I think the reason I asked the question is because Jim, he's the son there and it overpowers everything.

But he was the director of player personnel for the Ravens who joined, left his brother, Jim's brother, to join the Chargers. Nobody. And with that said, the Chargers. Jim Harbaugh and Joe Hortiz had a very busy draft week and offseason. They added nine rookies in the draft, another 20 in undrafted free agency per the athletic. Over the past three months, the charges have added 39 players to their roster who were not on the team in 2023. Joe Alt, awesome big ass, big piece statement pick by Jim Harbaugh, you know, a generationally talented tackle by a coach who calls these guys,

skill players he views them that way the offensive line and running back room has been rebooted justin herbert loses mike williams and keenan allen but gained lad maconkey uh this over the weekend and they have a i like a sneaky promising tight end pairing and will disley and haydenhurst kind of like both those guys and now they're a tandem my big question okay and you have greg romans the offensive corner that guy loves running the football how harbaw is harbaugh going to go with the Los Angeles Harbaugh's. I'm sure Justin Herbert has the same question. See, I think there's increasing versatility here because Ladd McConkey, I think, is just an

awesome pick. And they spoke so highly of him and how he can help Justin Herbert. So that's through the air. Joe Alt is someone who looks to me like it came from, like, biblical times and, like, fought kids with slingshots. Junior Colson, I thought they're going to take a bunch of Michigan guys. But, like, he's someone that wore, like, the green dot for Michigan. and can lead a new defense, and he knows it really well.

So these are fits that I think improved. But how hard really go is like, are we going to suddenly see Justin Herbert vanish as a passer? That's what I mean. I'm curious how they're going to do this on offense scheme. I think that's just being overstated because that's an impossibility in today's NFL where you're going to suddenly take Justin Herbert and have him play like a half of the position that any quarterback was playing. Well, also, the running backs are Dobbins and Gus Edwards,

you know, if Dobbins can get healthy again is intriguing. Raven's you. But it is. You know, you're also asking, I don't love that, you know, everyone's so excited about Joe. I'm sure he's going to be great, but the first thing you do is make him play a position right tackle that he's never played before. That they should be noted. I mean, they know what they're doing, obviously more than I, but like that has worked plenty of times, work with Penesuel. Like, you know, it doesn't always work.

I think we could expect to see some interesting route combinations, some receivers in close proximity to each other, you know, diminished numbers for Justin Herbert. And a team that we've seen it happen before, a new coach. comes in, you get a mix of the old guys as well as the new guys, and something does form that I think the charges will be better than Herbert with literally no hands last year towards the end of the year. But I think the hardball ceiling isn't going to be reached. But like coaching plus offensive line plus quarterback is like more important than the weapons. Like for like those years that Tom Brady didn't have any wide receivers, we kind of learned like you can still have a great offense if you have great coaching, great offensive line, great quarterback. Tom Brady, all

time grade quarterback. Right. They had the worst one-locking grade in the NFL year ago. That's going to change. Let's close it out with the Las Vegas Raiders and Patrick Claybone. The Las Vegas Raiders, I believe, wanted a quarterback. They go into the draft and they see literally every quarterback

go before them. I'm assuming have some calls about trading up. It doesn't ultimately work out because the Falcons take their future quarterback for some reason at number eight. I think because they liked him too. And so I think they got a great pick and Brock Bowers, I think taking the best player on the board is always a very good idea.

But it's going to come down to Aden O'Connell, as well as Gardner-Menschu. And that will be the camp battle. At what point do the Las Vegas Raiders look outside of the building to bring in somebody that keeps everything from falling apart and Devante being like, why am I playing football still? Yeah, I think this was like they got left out on draft day. they love Brock Bowers and there's nothing not to like. I don't dislike that pick on any level, but it's like

you know, it's a new coach but this gets coach's fires when you think in like May or April May you can roll into an NFL campaign with these two quarterbacks because it's about midway through the second half that you realize that plans a disaster of the first game and so you mentioned Ryan Tannahill

someone liked that if you just want like a veteran who can come in and like spice things up I think that's a good landing spot but Minchu we just talked about with the cults like he is a, you know, he's a fringe starter, but like that kind of teen last year with Minchu. It's a bridge guy. Yeah. Yeah. We just don't know where the bridge is going right now.

Minchu is there at Tannahill. So I'm thinking about it again, it's like they gave him $15 million guaranteed. They gave him a sneaky amount of money. They did not sign him to like a Baker Mayfield in Tampa. Just let's see what happens. Back of Gondrop. They gave him like, hey, you're probably going to play for us. And Aiden O'Connell was okay.

I don't think this is going to work out. They wanted Michael Pennix, Jr., R.J. Palmer, our guy, he reported they were one of the teams that tried to trade up for a quarterback and it was going to be Pennix and it didn't happen for him. And they ended up with Bowers who the Saints Block Party podcast reported the Saints were going to take up 14. So I love these like path not taken, but the Raiders ends up taking Bowers. I think Raiders, one thing that's maybe slept down a little bit, I think Raiders fans,

whether or not he's a high-level quarterback are going to love Gardner Minshu. He plays with a lot of luck and moxie. Yeah, he fits there. Kind of like, got some Ken Stabler in him. And I think that's going to be, they're going to have fun rooting for him. It's just, you know, how much can he actually give you? Antonio Pierce has been very vocal saying, we're going to run the ball and we're going to be a great defense. And I believe that's his vision.

Like whether that works or not, like we'll see. But Bowers to me fits that vision. Playing two tight ends as your base set, him and mayor having multiplicity. And they really think the defensive improvements they had will carry over. And you survive in your own division, though, because it's just like how, you know, you should build to beat teams in your own division first, and they don't resemble that kind of a team to me right now. Signed Michael Gallup on Tuesday official. There we go. Friend of the show.

Is he? Best friend. No, he was on the show. Very nice guy. Not an enemy of the show, but I don't recall. Yes, you're right. I forgot that we. From Cowboys Camp.

In fact, everyone we sat down with at Cowboys Camp was cursed. as a result. Leighton Vandreche? Late in Vandreash. He's gone. Michael Galt. He gone. And I think even the voice of the Cowboys,

didn't he miss some time? Yeah, right? ETP? Yeah, I forget. I think he fell down to an illness. He's not gone, though. No, not gone. But he did miss a game

for the first time in, like, a very long time. I remember seeing that because we play their highlights, obviously. Brad Sham, the Shamgod has missed games due to an illness. so he was forced to announce yet another playoff defeat to the green bay packers so that

i'm sure was brad sham the sham god i fell ill en route to the game i was advised to get it checked out testing and resting looking forward to next week that was uh december 1st and we're very happy that sham god is uh on the mend and we're not making light of illness and we never would gregg however i'm just stating the point that everyone that sat down with us in august of 23, you know, it didn't work out. Connect the dots, right, sure. Which leads me to my next point that we will hope to take a summer road trip this summer

to visit a team and hopefully it's not yours. Saints are coming to Irvine spending training camp in Southern California. What does the Saints block party think about that? Us coming with the cursed medallion of ATN. They don't need it. They don't want it. I'd keep us out of there if you were interested in the same other fortunes. You probably know this one, Mark.

Remember the Brady Bunch episode with the Medallion when they went to Hawaii? Yeah, two-parter. Bad beat. Two-part episode. Bad beat. And one of the rare, like, you don't get Brady Bunch episodes that were filmed literally on location outside of a set

in, like, a set in, like, Studio City or something like that. Right. An atypical Brady Bunch, double, two-parter. Greg, Brady Bunch was a sitcom in the 1870s. I remember it. I remember the... repeats were on i did not check them out it was a teaky necklace before our time tough one it really wasn't because brady bunch was massive in the 80s in syndication right but you didn't have

to watch it they're not to watch any don't have to watch right so i mean there we don't have to read the newsletter going around patrick's claybone's neighborhood but it's out there i made in your face decision which i look back on as the correct one to dedicate my time to other programming let's hear it like good call let's hear of uh cheers repeats the Ricky Lake show was into that. Sally, Jesse Raphael guy. Not really, but here and there. That's a good one, actually, for the people, like, in our age.

What were the syndicated 70s, 80s shows that you were watching that maybe weren't out when you were kids? For me, it was Brady Bunch. It was different strokes. I watched every weekday at 5 p.m. on Fox. Oh, that's right. My screenwriting teacher created different strokes. that's why he was in did you see him park his Rolls Royce

before he came in to class? I think he did very well I'm sure. A lot of MTV now that was probably no alternative nation yo MTV I'm talking like pre bad era like Nick at night like bewitched Dick Van Dyke Rees Company

Good times We've made Patrick late for his Oh Patrick we apologize Thank you to everybody for listening We'll be back Thursday with a special guest This is still on right Yes Jordan Rodrigue of the athletic does an excellent job covering all matters of football, including Los Angeles Rams.

She'll be joining us to go around the NFC, including those Rams. But thank you, Patrick. Anything else to add? Yeah, momentum might not be real, but you are. No matter what anybody says, no matter what I say, you and your existence are true. Patrick, we love you. Thanks, guys. Eric, give him the goddamn applause.

Don't applause for me. Don't applaud for me. Where is that button on your... Applaus is a long word to type out. So when I search things... About clap. Change it to clap. Okay. You know. Applaus is the one that tends to give me trouble the most.

Thank you, Patrick. And be careful on your hood. Until then, everyone, check us out Thursday for the NFC. And you know what you got to do. Do you want to tell the people today, Greg? What do they need to do? Right on your arm.

Let me just take what I'll see. Oh, yeah. Keep the call. Bang. Hey, everybody, Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move to Six, we take you inside the game.

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