NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Around the NFC in 48 minutes!

Episode Date: May 4, 2017

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling, & Gregg Rosenthal – go around the NFC breaking down the state of every team following the 2017 NFL Draft, and discuss which division improved the most through the draft.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. It's the gift that keeps giving. Well, I spent the last episode suggesting that we need to be thanking and giving gifts to Matt Money Smith. That's off the table when he betrays me by putting that line back out there again for the 18th time in the past 10 days. Money on the radar at the top of the show. This is the earliest anyone's ever gotten on the radar before. very early

don't wrong me it's quite possible money was just handed a list of things to say and the real culprit is behind the glass right now those big dough eyes Sydney once again it's not mad money Smith it's you

Mark and I're in a real bad place is Sydney in the revenge bucket she's kind of like spiraling down through the atmosphere and the bucket is big on the ground and she's heading right towards it not in there yet maybe change of course There was a shadowy league figure that was disappointed that he didn't come into the office to a hornet's nest.

Is that what it was? Yeah, there was a promise that the shadowy, we're dealing with an issue with our sponsors, and I'll be reading sponsorships all through the show, get excited, about an individualized offer code. It's what we're looking forward instead of a general offer code that covers all the podcasts. We're trying to differentiate ourselves as a business model. Greg's shaking his head. What? It's the business side.

No, no, no. We're trying to make things happen, you know? Well, this guy's going to, this shadowy league figure might find himself in the revenge bucket. How about that? Maybe he's already there. I don't know who you're referring to, but it could be any. He's had two more days. Do we have an official statement from the shadowy league figure about why we do not have our own offer code for either of our sponsors?

No, nothing new on that front. Remains a hard, declined statement. Is that a good look in the PR realm, Wes? You don't want my honest opinion on this. You'll be down to three-man podcast. If you are caught up, you know, you know what's happening here. On Tuesday's show, we went around the AFC in 48 minutes. Now, would it be weird if we didn't go around the NFC?

Like, what kind of podcast would that be? It would be an incomplete podcast. we are a complete podcast. The NFC is one of the topics that I was on my list to not report on or write about this off season. So weird for the three of you. Yeah, that's true. Have you been able to do that?

Up until now. And now you're in. Now you're in. You're in two feet. Just when you thought you were out. I mean, there is an easy way I can fact check this statement of yours. Go look through your archive. Should we do it?

I'm going to do it real quick. I mean, I haven't reported anything all offseason. So let's start right there. Oh, so any writing at all, it's just reporting. I would rather not write on anything having to do with the NFC, but that was a little tough. Okay. Looks like you got Cowboys ad slot receiver, Ryan Switzer, on draft day.

I was trying to help out my coworkers by doing that. Niners trade to number 31, select Alabama's Ruben Foster, helping coworkers. But it's funny because most of these are AFC. Are you trying to do that? No, he has stated his intention. That's my intention. I don't have any power. Ex Saints Guard, Jira Evans, to sign with Packers.

It's almost such a random stance to take. I would think your bosses would have to go along with it. Well, that's not been their stance at all. It's not random, right? You have the stance for a reason that the same teams in the NFC are good every year. Nothing changes. So you're going to focus on the conference that the Patriots are in and the Steelers? I really was just sort of tired of the NFC in general.

That's where it came from. Gotcha. Anyway, so yes, we are going to devote three. Well, let's figure it out. 32 teams, but only 16 in each division. If you give conference. Conference. Give three minutes to each team in the conference.

48 minutes. Three minutes per team. We'll go through all the teams in the NFC. And when we're done, we'll have covered the entire league. in one week. Beat that, competitors. Let's get to it. Little, little.

Let's give us something, Sid. Give us something to get us excited about this. There it is. Around the NFC. Give us some hype music. And 48 minutes. Mark, just like Tuesday, we'll start with you this time in the NFC East.

Let's start in Dallas. So the Cowboys added six new defenders through the draft. They went right after what they said they needed to do, including a pair of projected starters. I know we talk about Dallas. We on this podcast a whole time says every other year they completely crumble and disappear and then they come back the next year and do the little playoff thing. Why can't this be the year that the Dallas Cowboys stay consistent?

A lot of the same players on offense, same exact situation. Why are the doom and gloom around the Dallas Cowboys? Is there doom and gloom? Well, you're largely, this is largely your theory. Well, I'm only, I'm just saying the theory. The theory should not exist maybe this year. I'm a data man. And I look at the recent, big time.

I go into my little knob in the tree and I have all my machines and I crunch my data. Say hello to Boo Ram. Yeah, you're the around the NFL's Billy Bean over there. And my point is, is that history, which is instructive, Greg, tells us the Cowboys will stink this year. And every other year, Brainiacs, that the Cowboys stunk in the last, like, five years when they were coming off a good season. People weren't predicting it. I'm just saying it could happen this year. But there's nothing I could, from what you're, the point you're making is a good one.

It's sound that their offensive line is still great. Dak Prescott Year 2, Zeke Elliott, Playmakers. It makes sense. They should be safe. They should be about as safe as it gets because of that offense. The case against them, though, is that they overachieved, that their defense will. wasn't that good anyways, and even then they maybe overachieved last year, lost a lot in the secondary, still aren't very exciting in terms of their pass rush. They really did not address

that problem at I. I know they took Taco Charlton. Tocle. They tried to address it. I'm looking at DeMarcus Lawrence and Taco Charlton and, you know, Tyrone Crawford and whatnot. And I'm not thinking that's one of the better pass rushes or even an average one. I think what helps Dallas, Rod Marinelli, incredible defensive coordinator. He's going to, they got a lot new, not a lot and do defensive guys to work with. I like this. I think they've drafted as well as you could expect the last couple years. After all the flack Jerry Jones took,

that organization is structured differently now, smart drafts. They should be head and shoulders favorites in this division. I don't think their pass rushes any worse than it was last year. In fact, it's probably better. And guys like David Irving were making a lot of plays at the end of last year, even though he's not a household name. I'll tell you where he wasn't making plays in that playoff game. One game. One game.

A couple games going up to that. for him specifically, but their pass rush in that game and their defense in that game. It was a reminder of how far they had to go, that they were not close, I don't think, to a championship level defense. They have the single most valuable asset in the NFL, a starting quarterback, franchise quarterback, making about $400,000. And continuity on the best offensive line in the league. I mean, that's the thing where you kind of can't see them crumbling because of that.

Everything went right last year. We'll see the same thing happens. History. we spent the month of March hand-wringing the Washington Redskins. Scott McLuhan unceremoniously dumped. Kirk Cousins trade rumors every other day. Deshaun Jackson and Pierre Garson out the door. What's going on with their defense?

And a month and a half later, I don't know if their wide receiver corps is that much worse. Kirk Cousins is not going to be traded. They have a pretty good draft. They're building up this defense. Can the Redskins actually be improved over last year? year's team i don't like that idea that's not fun well you hate the redskins that's part of why you don't think it's fun uh the off season so long that we end up like contradicting what we were saying

everything you're saying makes sense i think in this division you can kind of make a case for any team good or bad especially the non-cowboys teams but no i think this is a team on defense that is likely to be poor and nothing they've done has really changed my mind on that like jonathan allen like adding that i mean i when it comes to the redskins i feel like with j gruden from the minute he got there and inherited the cousins rg three scenario he's had to deal with chaos and kind of a lack of harmony in washington from the very beginning and he's kind of done a pretty good job with it i think last season i thought around thanksgiving they were the one team that could go into the nancy playoffs had they can keep that together and cause some serious issues.

I don't see that they've completely changed. Had they gone down the route of getting rid of Kirk Cousins to try to solve that a different way and then you draft some rookie quarterback, anything could have happened negatively. I kind of see them as a team that in this division can hang around. I agree that it probably wasn't as much doom and gloom. And on paper, it's a good overall team. I think it's worth mentioning every now and then that Kirk Cousins, who at this point built up so much because he's worse so much in terms of trade value was absolutely terrible

and their offense was absolutely terrible twice in December when the playoffs were on the line. I mean, people forget that Giants game was a fiasco. The Panthers lost was a fiasco. So they've got talent and I think Kirk Cousins, kind of like Alex Smith in Kansas City, has a ceiling. And I don't know, like I don't know if they get past that. I do wonder if Terrell Pryor translates more positively than he did last year. If that is something that's sustainable, I wonder. I expect him to do much better with a better quarterback.

Yeah, that is, the whole signing was a bit under the radar. I think that if he continues to progress, that's a major playmate. James and Crowder is totally fantastic and totally emergent. So they've got weapons. I mean, they have a new starting running back potentially. In Somaget Parin, their fourth round pick was going to challenge fat Rob. They get Trent Williams back healthy. There are a lot of things if you're a Redskins fan.

And I think you can make the case that, you know, to feel good about that, they're a playoff type of team. I totally reversed myself there. Big Blue, the New York Giants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Eli Manning, the biggest punching bag in this room. I am the defender. We all know that.

It's not easy. It's not easy, especially with attorney-at-law, Chris Wessling, to my left. But let me say this. Eli had a bad year last year. Even as statistically, it doesn't look that bad. It was not a good year. And what do the Giants do? They went 11 and 5, and they went to the playoffs.

They went and they got Brandon Marshall. Maybe they could have done better to protect Eli in the offensive line. Maybe they could use some backfield help. But 11 and 5 off a bad Eli year. Eli plays better next year. Aren't they the biggest threat to the Cowboys in the NFC East? I will say this. As little faith as I had in Eli Manning, who statistics, depending on which ones you're using,

will tell you how bad he was last year. I thought they were one of the biggest threats to all the superpowers going into the playoffs last year and had to scare team silly. That defense was playing at such a high level. And you know, O'Dell Beckham can go off in any time. I absolutely think they're the biggest threats to the Cowboys. Logically, this is a really good division. It's funny how fast things change.

I think on paper, to me, this is the best Giants roster since, oh, wait. I mean, maybe you can make a case for 11 when they won the Super Bowl. But they were a pretty balanced team. And I think the offensive line is a huge problem, and it could totally sink this team. They're counting on Eric Flowers and Bobby Hart to just get better. And if that doesn't happen, you know, it could ruin everything. But the receivers are deep.

The defensive line is deep. The secondary is awesome. Like, they have a lot. They have a lot to like. Evan Ingram, tight end. They needed to upgrade that position. That was a weird pick to me. They needed to address it, but guess, because you have.

They've never used that kind of tight end in the Eli years. They always have some big 6-foot-6, 280-pound guy that they use. Also, Brandon Marshall is no more than a one or two-year patch. Yeah. I guess I just was thinking they have guys to throw the ball to their offensive line, their linebackers. You know, I was expected. I get it.

It was the guy they liked. You're a big fan of fourth-string tight-end Matt Lacosse. I understand. Understandable. Yeah. I mean, you know, the defensive changes they made last off-season still translate. There's a lot to like with the Giants. They're also one of these freaky teams that whether you like Eli or not, they get streaky and they become something you didn't predict on

any level. And that division does feel like it go right down to the last week like it always does. They can beat any team in the league on a given week, including the Patriots and Steelers and Packers and whoever else. I think Spagnola did a good job last year. I'm not all in on Ben McAdoo as a great offensive coach. I mean, we'll see. I'm not saying he's ruled himself out. But I don't know if this guy's, you know, a guy that we're going to be speaking highly of. Is Ben-back to do the worst dancer of head coaches? Oh, there's got to be some competition. Andy Reid, Joe Filvin, until Mike Lennon becomes a coach.

Greg. Every year, I find a way to convince myself that the Philadelphia Eagles are the team to beat in the NFC East. This year, very under the radar, I would say, as Eagles team. go. There's always some attention. Is there any way looking at what they've done this offseason and in the draft that I can, in good conscience, make that case again for the Eagles? To win their division? I mean, let's say I'm doing it with a little green-colored glasses. I'm trying, you know, I kind of just like what they're about. I like Carson Wentz, but I know it's a bit of a long shot, but can I even make the case? Does it even make sense that this could be the team that

wins the division. I mean, just with all this off-season stuff we do, their biggest issue last year, along with Carson Wentz, still developing, was a lack of weapons, reliable weapons for Carson Wins. You add Alshund Jeffrey, you add Tori Smith. Right there, you went out and completely changed your wide receiving court. So there's a case to start with, for me, it starts right there. Timmy Jernigan, Chris Long, a couple players on the defensive line. Derek Barnett was a guy people who were split on in the scouting community, but he had incredible numbers in college. and they're going to be looking at him to be a pass rusher. I'm not sure if it's like an exciting defense.

There's like there's still parts here. The cornerback and running back position to me are a little confusing. Unless the Cowboys run away and hide again, which could happen or it may not happen, you can make a real case it feels like for any of these teams in the division. That goes back to what you're saying about how this is all of a sudden became a really good division. If Carson wants makes a year to jump and they did a nice time strong with the weapons,

that means they're going to score points. And if they, their defense plays up to their potential, They're going to get some stops, and then you're talking 11 wins again. This is a team that could do that, I think. Yeah, baby. I have three major hangups about this team. Last year, they were undone by a backfield that was inconsistent and unproductive, cornerbacks that were burnt too often, and a quarterback whose mechanics devolved throughout the season,

and I see no solutions to any of those three hangups so far. I think you could win. He needs to make a step up. I mean, it's like a lot. I think there's a lot to like, and it almost falls into the Blake, Bortle's rookie category where there's so much to like about the physical makeup and what he brings. I love Wentz, but it's like Bordels.

You have to see it on the field. I think Wens, what certainly compared to Bordels as rookie year, did not show as many red flags. But I guess you can make the case again. I'm confused that they're reportedly still going to cut Ryan Matthews, which makes their backfield, Darren Sproles, Denial Pumfrey, and Wendell Smallwood. For a team that I think would want to run the ball a lot,

It's weird. It's a tiny backfield. Weird looking backfield. Well, Greg, you've talked yourself right out of it. That's it on the Eagles. Come on. This used to be a team that got people going. They get Lane Johnson back.

That's going to change things. They have a good offensive line. That's long of the mix. One. Rough final 10 seconds for the Eagles. In fact, I think it's time to take a break after that. You've perfected your wardrobe, but what about this stuff? Not every.

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No, no, that fell to me. Yeah, they got a draft of these teams. The games are right in downtown Detroit. Let's start in downtown Detroit. The Lions, I do like this. They use the draft to address really probably their biggest need at linebacker. They use free agency to improve that offensive line, finally. Does any of this?

Does anything they've done at all since last week 17 ended? change the way we feel about their ceiling. Anything at all? Nothing. They were a team that was losing in the fourth quarter of 16 of 17 games. They weren't as good as their record. And they're like, when I see what they do at linebacker, sure, they picked up one of the best linebackers in a draft,

but he's also just replacing DeAndre Levy. Just like the Jets are just replacing Calvin Pryor. It's hard for me to get excited about that. Well, hopefully the Jets are upgrading on Calvin Pryor. You hope so? Jared Davis isn't really replacing Levy anymore because Levy hasn't been there for two years. So he's replacing Whitehead, who's okay and stays in the starting lineup. At least you're hoping that that improves that position.

I would hope. It's just interesting because I look at their weapons on offense, too, that it's strange. I'm wondering if eyes get stuck in this thing where I just think that the lions are boring, but they're actually, last year, their games were the definition of exciting. Like, on one hand, I agree, West, they were not a good, they were lucky to get the record they had last year. On the other, Matt Stafford played well, has played well with Jim Bob Cooter.

They add Ricky Wagner and T.J. Lang, two free agent signings. I think we like to upgrade them. But are they any better than the guys they replaced? I think, I mean, I would think they are. And if Stafford's playing well, Marvin Jones, they need to get a little more out of him. Abdullah is the guy who fascinates me because they really believe in him.

I think they think he can. I believe in him, too. I do too. But you have to stay healthy. And who's running the ball inside? I hope it's not Zach Zenter. I think it's Abdullah. It is the third year people have talked with optimism about Amir Abdullah, right?

Yeah. I mean, it's just, you got to that, that's a fact of life that he needs to now start turning that promise into real production. Because they do seem to be missing something to really get excited about. I let Golden Tate will make an exciting play every once in a while. Matt Stafford's got a hose. But they seem to be missing like a real guy to energize the whole building and make. game-defining plays. I feel like they're running back situation,

even though there's this promise these guys can't stay on the field, has been the same way for half a decade. Marvin Jones needs to be better. I don't know if he is. I don't know if he is. So does Eric Ebrook. I think he has a higher ceiling

than he showed last year. And I think Abdullah can be a number one type of back. Maybe not 300 carries, but 300 touches when you count the passing game. He was great in that game and a half before he got hurt. The Green Bay Packers. What a fun run by the Packers.

last year we all enjoyed watching them even mark got a little excited i did a little bit when they started to surge i gave in i just gave in to what they are i knew they would make the playoffs and i i rode i just went with the ride and then after that um amazing win in dallas they went and they got spanked by the falcons some people say they used up whatever juice and mojo they had no the falcons just had a uh once in a decade type off passing offense or offense in general and then packers had no stop no way to stop and they had one of the worst past defenses in the league so were they do. They go and they get Kevin King with their first round pick. They take a safety in the second round.

They take a linebacker and a defensive tackle in their third and fourth rounds. So they use their first four picks on the defensive side of the ball. So they make it clear what they think they need to do. Is that the only thing this team that is separating this team from getting back to the Super Bowl? Is that defense kind of taking that next step and getting kind of in the middling area? Is that it? I think they have to do better. and middling. We know that the offense by the end of last year was scoring over 30 a game every

week. They had the longest stretch of 30-point games, I think, in Aaron Rogers' career. So it's, I think you can assume that they are good enough on offense, but the defense always unduds the Packers, and it's not enough to be middling. They've been middling before. They weren't even middling last year, though. At least I would give them a chance. That's secondary. The cornerback position was a disaster. I think their second round pick Kevin King, first pick of the second round, is about as important a rookie that I can think of on a contending team. He is a lock to be starting, barring any, barring a disaster.

I don't know about that. I think they would be really disappointed if he was not starting, because Randall at this point has been a disappointment. I don't think they want to start Gunter. I don't think they want to start these guys. I think they brought in Devon House, who knows the system. and rookie cornerbacks struggle. They just about almost always struggle.

I like the addition to Martellus Bennett. That's great for Aaron Rogers. I still don't understand what's happening in the backfield with this team. They said Ty Montgomery's their starter. I mean, what's funny, teams don't really worry about inside running now that you think of, like now that I'm thinking of it. I mean, the Lions don't. It's like they look at that as a role player,

kind of like third downbacks. Maybe they should. But they drafted Jamal Williams, who, for what it's worth, is a guy that some people loved, and they think it's going to play. The comparison is James Starks from DJ. Sid, why he's so excited? I love Jamal.

I think you will all come to love him as well. If you ever watch an interview with him, he's one of the funnest. I love, I love Jamal. But isn't he kind of a powerful? He's not going to make you miss. He's just going to run straight ahead, short yardage. He's a power back.

I mean, he can hold his own. This BYU is leading Russia right there. Interesting. Yeah, but all right, their backfield is not the best thing in the world, but they're still probably going to score, you know, 27 to 30 points a game in most weeks. I mean, their defense needs to get better. That's the only thing that's holding

them back. I mean, they could really use... Stop caper's still there? Yes. Come on! Teflon. Dom! They could really use like 2012 Claymantheon. Exactly. Like, who is the premier? I mean, they need Nick Perry to be just as good as he was last year. That would help. They need a time machine. That's it.

Greg. Minnesota Vikings, the team of around the NFL. Don't try to pretend it didn't happen. You know, we haven't done that well with these picks between the Chargers the year before and the Vikings last year. You're just trying to fill time, right?

I'm not giving it. It's filibustering. I'm not giving up on this team. After adding Dalvin Cook, can't you make the case? I know the offensive line picks. I was a little critical of him, but at least they should be better in terms of Mike Rammers and Reef. With Dalvin Cook, couldn't this, Offense be pretty good.

Couldn't this defense show back up and be the defense we thought it was going to be last year? I do not think this offense will necessarily hold this team back. Tell me I'm wrong. I agree with you. I think people are sleeping on the Vikings. And nobody thinks that Riley Rife and Mike Ramers and who's the center they drafted Elfline. I mean, nobody thinks these guys are all pros, but they are so much better than Jake Long. And it's a Hall of Fame here.

He's going to the Ring of Honor of the Greybeards, bro. The 2016 version of Jake. The Ring of Honor is not the same as being a Hall of Fame. The Ring of Honor with the Greybeards. Very fair point. Their offensive line was one of the worst I've ever seen. So it doesn't take much to get a little bit better. And Sam Bradford, I know that people are skeptical.

Played better than he's ever played in his career and was the best downfield passer in the NFL, according to statistics. And what if Laquan Treadwell steps up and actually contribute? Big wild card. Sam Bradford was the number one downfield passer in the NFL? Do you believe that to be true in reality? The film shows that he was excellent downfield. He was on point and extremely accurate.

I think the defense underachieve too. So Dalvin Cook comes in and replaces a very milk toast starter in Latavius Murray. So that's a pretty good one-two punch with McKinnon, too. I mean, in theory is also replacing Adrian Peterson, though. But he wasn't there. You're right, but he wasn't there last. in Matt Asiata. Right. He wasn't there last year. And I just think this defense should be better. Linval Joseph, Everson Griffin, Anthony Barr, Eric Kendricks, a nice little secondary with Harrison Smith

and Rhodes. It's like those guys that Zimmer got us excited for, they're all still there. I mean, they really were from like an emotional side and kind of what happened to them, a really sort of snake-bitten team last year. So much what was put on to the play to that coaching staff. And it's, I don't see why they'd be worse. I just still seem as a team in the mix in the NFC. I would not be, they're not. You had them in the NFC championship. I know, but I'm not going to do that again. I just, I don't, I don't see that they progressed enough to do that again.

You loved Mike Zimmer and their coaching staff. Do you still feel strongly about him? I really think Mike Zimmer actually did a very good job last year with all the stuff that got thrown at him. He's not the issue. I think a lot of the things we like are still there. So it's kind of like the year after, maybe. NFC Jaguars. The NFC South.

I'd mind if we discussed the bears. We could talk about the bears. I'd like to. Were you planning to just skip? I think that's a good. You went past Wes, you know. Oh, did I? I got on Wes's radar a little.

It's fine. Probably got on Bears. I figured the Bears should be in last place anyway. All right, Wes, I apologize. You're up. The Chicago Bears spent more money than any team in free agency. They overpaid to move. move up to get Mitch Trubisky.

They drafted a bunch of small college guys. They make moves. They are all over the map with their moves. Is there any reason to believe this roster is better than last year's? Here's the thing that sticks out with me. No. And secondly, there has to be suspicion that no one in charge there is going to be there a year from now. And it's the kind of set up where you've left whoever comes into this position,

if that happens with a lot of problems. You know, sometimes the conventional wisdom when everyone is piling on the team and like, oh, this is going to be a joke, sometimes it's right. Think about the Browns last year. Everyone said they would be the worst team in the league. They'd be lucky to win a game or two.

Hey, that's what happened. The Bears are the Browns this year. I think everyone is right. I think Glennon could be okay if it was given the – That should be on their meeting guide. Glennon, Jordan Howard, and Cameron Meredith are three players I like. Kyle Long and a couple of their offensive linemen are okay. I think everything surrounding them and Fox and the GM and drafting Trubisky

and the defense isn't too exciting. That's all going to sink any of that promise. They are the worst. You know what they need. They need Kevin White to turn into the player they thought they were getting. Desperately. That is asking a lot, though, because you look, I mean, from their skill players, I mean, Eddie Royal, you're going to get excited there?

Marcus Wheaton. He was the odd man out in Pittsburgh. Kendall, right? Zach Miller. I think Cameron Meredith can be a quality starter. It's got the makings of a four-win team with a couple young guys like that. I think that you've left that fan base absolutely spinning because it's not just the decisions they made. It's the fact that they're so clearly this toxic working environment.

And that typically always leads to complete doom. There's so much pressure. First of all, Mike Lennon, as we talked about on Tuesday, completely got hosed by the organization. There can't be any trust between quarterback and franchise anymore, and I'm sure that won't play out poorly. And it's May. In real time, once you get to the season.

And then once Trubisky gets in the lineup, which he's going to, he's going to start games most likely, you would think. There's so much pressure on this kid. And we don't even know if he's even good. And he's going to be tasked with saving jobs and getting this team to respectability. And he might not be ready for that. We've still got free agent busts from the last GM, Lamar Houston, and Pernell McPhee, who haven't really lived up.

It's like, it's just a weird roster. Yikes. Now we'll move to the NFC South. And Wes, I will go in the proper order. Oh, I don't care. In fact, Wes will go first this round. I don't like that. Wes will go last again.

Mark is our lead-off hitter. Mark, get us going. I'm going to lead off down in Tampa Bay. I think the bucks, come on. You got to look at what they just said. in the draft. They are going all in on offense. It reminds me of when the Peyton Manning-led cults, that front officer would just give Peyton Manning more weapons every single offseason and you hope the defense catches up. They get O.J. Howard, tight end at pick 19. That is an absolute

value at that pick. They already have Cameron Bray to tight end. You can do a lot with that. Chris Godwin falls to them at wide receiver. I think he's an interesting looking player too. You've got all sorts of stuff going to Sean Jackson. Mike Evans is set to have a huge year. They're talking about Doug Martin is looking as good as he's ever looked after we didn't know a couple months ago what would happen with him. Here's the question. Are this year's Falcons, not even last year's Falcons at this point?

Are the Bucks last year's Falcons? And Atlanta just gets swept away by what's happening with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' offense. Whoa, you are fired up about the Bucco's. Had to deliver it. I love it. I am fired up. There's a lot of reason to be. There's a lot of new spaces. Yeah. But I guess my one fear is there's always that one team where people are absolutely blown away by their offseason.

And maybe it works out. Maybe it doesn't. But it's hard to make a case against how this team won't take the necks, especially on the offensive side of the ball. When you look at great offenses, it's usually because they are stacked at every position. So you can't just pay attention to the running game. You can't just lock down the number one receiver. You can't just take away the tight end. They have so many weapons.

and the Bucks are looking like one of those teams. They might be a year away. Maybe the offensive line is bottom third. Maybe O.J. Howard, just like most rookie tight ends, is going to be inconsistent. And he'll be another year away. And Chris Godwin might be a year away. So maybe they're just a very good offense

instead of, like, graduating to the Falcons of last year. But there's so much promise here, and I love the job that Jason Light is doing with this team. I agree, and I think the offensive line, like a lot of teams, huge problem. I think it was worse than it was commonly believed last year. I mean, he was always under pressure James Winston last year, and that's part of the

reason I think he made so many mistakes forcing things is because they couldn't protect him. One bit of a trope alert came from Jason Light, who said that Doug Martin has, quote, looked as good as I've seen him during the off-season program. But maybe, just maybe that's true because he's got his head on right and he's moved past those problems. They still got to figure out what to do the first three weeks if they decided to move

forward, Doug Martin, because he'll be suspended. But just imagine if you get 2015 Doug Martin with all these weapons and James Winston in year three. Well, my one question would be, what is, Winston's got so much around him. Is he going to be the guy that takes a step to a whole other level of quarterback play? Yeah, he's got to get better. And Dan, the trope is usually the player saying it about himself. Right.

In this case, it's a GM saying it. Cameron Bray, the tight end was always. also echoing that sentiment? Well, you know, when they said that, all-off season, huge hype was before the 2015 season. Everyone was saying, oh, my God, Doc Martin looks like a new guy, and guess what he was a new guy that you were? You went over, Greg. That was not right. You're breaking the rules of the game.

All right, I'm leaving. No, stay here. It's okay. All right, Wes. You're up. Panthers became the first team to win back-to-back NFC South titles in the history of the division. In fact, they won three, went 15 and won. Cam Newton got the MVP.

they were a superpower in the NFL and then they have a disappointing season but they go out and they upgrade the offensive line which was ravaged by injuries last year they pick up julius peppers for a front seven that looks good they round out the secondary with mike adams at safety they pick up christian mcalfrey and curtis samuel for some speed and playmaking ability is everyone sleeping on the panthers potential to return to superpower status in the nfc I think so, and part of the reason, and this is a good thing for the entire division, is that this division was a little bit of a train wreck a couple years ago, and now you've got, you look up and down and you say,

I don't know, the Panthers will be a very, very good team and finish third in this division. It's a sexy division. So you're trying to say, because, you know, I've been on this corner before, trying to talk up the NFC South. You have. It used to get on Mark Sessler's radar. It's like, oh, well, it wasn't true then. Well, I saw the quarterbacks.

You got quarterbacks and you got a chance. I think people are sleeping on it, Wes, because I trust that the defense is going to be good. And if you have a defense with Cam Newton and enough playmakers around them, you're going to be in every game. Like, teams aren't going to be blowing out the Panthers. They do have some question marks.

Matt Khalil at left tackle. That's a problem. Their right tackle situation with Michael Ower having concussion issues. Kelvin Benjamin is overweight and doesn't appear to take his job seriously. Yeah, that's a problem. This keeps popping up. Devin Funches didn't exactly blow up the way that I thought he would. Both of those guys drafted high, disappeared in the second half of last season.

Well, it's funny because they were drafted, you know, one after another, very similar guys. And then they drafted the exact opposite type of offensive players in McCaffrey and Samuel. Maybe that makes them hard to defend. I think this is a great spot for them to be in also. because I think by the time, because there's another, like, what, three or four months before games start against still. So at some point, the Panthers will start getting talked up again in some circles. But at the same time, they're not dealing with that crushing level of expectation

or the Super Bowl hangover, which we'll get to in a second. They seem to be a good spot for the bounce back season. I mean, the bounce back needs to start with Cam Newton. Right. I mean, it's getting healthy and playing better. It's easy for us to look at Cam Newton and say, well, we know he has the ability to be what he was two years ago. but he has the same ability to be what he was

down the stretch last year. It's on Mike Shula and Cam Newton. I mean, Cam Newton's going to have to get healthy in time for the season. It's not going to be easy. I think Mike Shula has enough of these parts. I don't know if I always have trusted Mike Shula. He's had some good moments. Oh, you have to make it out. Well, yeah, okay.

Are you putting them back on your radar after you got squarely off the radar? If he doesn't do it with this team, he's on the radar, that's for sure. So, yeah, he's on the radar. 10, 9, 8. It's like eating drops. Hivens, Steve, Magnolia just switch spots every other year onto the radar.

John Fox's always there. I said Super Bowl hangover. I believe in it. History is instructive. And the Falcons are coming off the worst Super Bowl loss that there's ever been. We don't need to get into the specifics there. But I did like in the off season, there was no panic to their game plan it seems. And that went straight through the draft where they, at the top of their draft, they added more kind of

a speedy playmaker guys on defense. He had Tack McKinley. I love that Tack McKinley. I can you not love him after he was on draft day. Number one overall draft pick and locker room speeches, I would imagine. Exactly. Duke Riley, I'm not familiar with his work, but he's a highly touted defender. But no panic moves.

They didn't blow the thing up. Made some coaching staff changes, of course. But do we think the Falcons with a potentially improved defense and you still have Matt Ryan and that great offense are hangover proof after their Super Bowl devastation. I do, and I'll tell you why. When people put out the list of coaches, power rankings for coaches, Dan Quinn is so underrated. I believe he's already one of the best coaches in the NFL.

And what he's done to build that defense, the speed and athleticism they've added, and then you continue it with the guys you mentioned, Tack McKinley and Duke Riley, they are a fast playmaking defense now. They are for real. And Kyle Shanahan, you can't overstate the loss there. He was phenomenal, but they have the talent on offense, too. I just think when you look at their roster now, you could go enter last season and say,

all right, their defense has holes. It's one of the best rosters in the league now. It's the opposite of what Gus Bradley could not do when he left Seattle for Jacksonville, where we know what kind of scheme you want to run. You're even finding players that fit it in theory, but they're not producing. The Falcons very quickly have shown that they can draft.

the kind of players that this coach needs and get it done. And there's no reason to think they wouldn't grow. Also, he went out and he spoke to tons of coaches in other fields that have been through the same thing. I really do think emotionally they will get over the Super Bowl loss. We'll see. It was such a bad loss and you wonder how it could linger. But, you know, that he was, that's why if you're a head coach and you're coming in a great position or a coordinator in a great position of power in terms of picking a potential coaching job,

always go to the place where the quarterbacks is set. So he got to go to Atlanta that had a franchise guy and then you're a defensive guy. You get to build the defense and start, you know, whereas Gus Bradley went into a tire fire and kept a burning. Gus Bradley had a wide berth to get that done. I don't think you

can make any logical case against this Falcons team. Other than you lose Shanahan and Sarkeesian, who we haven't really talked about, we don't really know much about him, who to me is a little bit of a red flag. If a player had basically ruined his career because of a drinking problem, we would have no problem talking about it. And yet no one wants to talk about it when it's the coordinator.

There's really no logic against this team. I do say that the defense has to step up, but that's to produce. It was not a good defense last year. It had a lot of potential. It got better. That's it. It wasn't good. It wasn't good. No, wasn't good. You got to end at that moment. All right. Do we get everybody in the NFC South? No. The Saints are still going. I mean, come on. I feel like we've been doing this for four hours, just the way it feels. A marathon-like. I'm enjoying it, though.

All right. Next. Stop. The New Orleans Saints. Wow, this division really is amazing. You can make a case for any of them because I think this New Orleans Saints team on offense has a chance to be on that list. Did they make your list of the five best offenses, Wes?

They're overrated in your eyes because you refuse to acknowledge that Ted Ginn is not Brandon Cook. Tedgan is not Brandon Cooks. Tedgan is not Brainer. Brandon Cooks, but I love a backfield that's Mark Engram, Adrian Peterson, and Alvin Kamara. You are cooking with gas there. Drew Brees. Michael Thomas was a great rookie wide receiver. It can be a number one.

Willie Sneed's good. Brandon Coleman and Gin, whatever. They're role players. Don't you think this team could just score enough to be a fun Saints team again? Everyone seems to be sick of this Saints team. I think they could be a fun, scrappy team that does win. I think they were fun on offense last year, and I think they will be again. but the dynamic has not changed

and it's a stale dynamic that annoys me and continues to. You're going to go seven and nine. You're going to go eight and eight. You don't know that. I think the offense could be so good that it can make up for that. And how about... It's a bad dynamic. You have to score 38 points a game to win eight games. All right, this secondary... What's true? He's going to throw for 6,000 yards

this year? Like, what are we doing? All right, let's just... This secondary, tell me if it sounds passable. Delvin Bro, Kenny Vicaro, Von Bell, Marshawn Latimore, and a little PJ Williams. That's pretty good. Pass honorable.

That could be a top 10, top five type of secondary. Stop. It could. Stop. Rookie cornerbacks struggle. That's one rookie cornerback, but yeah. PJ Williams, not good. The guy is drunk.

Top 10. Secondary. Stop. Who's getting to the quarterback on this? Secondaries are helped out by pass rushers, which don't exist. If you can't get to the quarterback, the secondary is going to get banged in the end. I don't know. Especially in this division.

Why did they not address linebacker? They're so slow. Because you had to have that shiny new Alvin Kamara in your back field. It's really crazy that they did not address linebacker or pass rush. Oh, they picked up some slow ones in free agency. Hearing from you on this, Greg, I get this because you should be frustrated with the Saints because the potential with what they have on offense would be wonderful if they were to build a defense. But Mickey Loomis refuses to do so.

They're like the Packers only less sealing to me. But if they could just get into the, if we're the end. 18th best defense. Right. We can win double-digit games, but I don't know if they can get there. They made a big jump last year to number 30 in football outsiders because they were number 32 by a long shot, and now they're up to like 30. They got to get to about 22.

You got him in the top 10. What team is going to win 10 games? What team do they stop in their own division? Who did they hop scotch in their own division? That's the question. If you can't seal yourself up with two or three teams, we can't get that excited about. This division's loaded. I can't wait for the oral history down the road where we find out who.

who's really calling the shot Sean Payton or Mickey Loomis on these transactions and trades and drafts. Greg, Mark, what are your thoughts on Mickey Loomis running two teams? It's obnoxious. Insane Stan. Is that enough? All right. Now, finally, the NFC West.

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they have completely restocked their defensive backfield. Four DBs taken in the draft, and they did their best to address the offensive line in round two with the Ethan Posick, I believe, is how you say his name, at center. And they got another lineman down the road. Look, you're in a division. where you could probably be a middling team and take sweep up with the other junk

that's in the NFC West right now but the Seahawks their offensive line last year was an Achilles heel had they done enough or the weaknesses that existed at the end of last season do we think they've done enough to return to that NFC championship type team that can go 12 and 4 get like a home field advantage type thing situation lined up

or are they fading? I don't think they're fading I will never roll out the Seahawks I do question the offensive line. So you picked up a center, which was your best offensive lineman last year with Justin Britt, so I assume they're moving him to guard. But you really, what did you do to improve your tackles?

You brought in Luke Jokel? But A.8 million dollars. Yeah, I'm not convinced that this offensive line is any better than they've been in the past. So to me, that's still their Achilles heel, but I don't disrespect the Seahawks by saying that they're fading. They're always in the mix. I feel like ever since they traded Jimmy Graham,

for Max Unger. This has been something that's been a year after year. And they're not doing a good job because this continues to be the conversation everyone has going into September is why aren't the Seattle Seahawks are doing a better job protecting their quarterback, Russell Wilson, and getting the running game going. If that hasn't changed and I got to be honest, I'm a little sick of the Seahawks.

I hated them last year. I feel like they're sick of themselves. Yeah, you can make that argument. Like it does seem like it's things are maybe starting. to get a little stale and maybe the Seahawks feel the same way and that's why this Richard Sherman drama has been going on that maybe they need to spice things up a little bit but I don't know they seem to be going in the wrong direction a little bit I think they see a big turnover happening soon that Richard Sherman and Cam Chancellor is a good chance they're not on

the team as early as next year so they draft a couple guys a lot of things went wrong for them last year, though. I mean, they didn't have Rawls healthy for too long or price, pro se, and now you bring in Lacey and the receivers were a little banged up last year. Lockett obviously went down in a big spot. It's like a lot of things went wrong for them and they were still okay. I would never rule them out. But to me, to me it seems less like a roster problem and more of like a metaphysical thing, just

you know, which is like a team, team unity and teamwork and wanting to be great after being at the top because that's that's tough to do that was supposed to be their strength they were they were the team unity team but maybe it's a if they never really wanted to trade richard chairman it was about hey man we need you to be on the right side of this we need unity baby the rest of the division one to combine 13 games i tried to make the argument a month ago that the cardinals had missed their window because they lost a lot in free agency some key players like carson palmer and larry Fitzgerald are getting older and are not as good as they were a couple years ago. So they had a pretty good draft, but why should I believe that they fixed their two biggest

problem areas, which were cornerback, number two cornerback and the offensive line? Why should I believe those are not going to do them in in the long run? Well, I would start with the fact that they, again, we've said this over and over with these around the league swirls, but they pick two offensive linemen. round four, round five, a guard and a tackle. It wasn't up top, but they're at least addressing it. They're not ignoring the problem. In this draft, when we were told that the offensive line was terrible, this class,

when you take a guy in the fourth and fifth round, what are the chances one or any of them does anything? Some teams, like, said we need linemen, and they took none. They're at least trying. It's just about minimizing, like, how bad it is. They think DJ Humphreys will be better at left tackle. They're going to move Jared Veldier to right tackle. I don't know.

They would seem to be in a position. to know that better than me, whether that's going to work. Of course, they've mis-evaluated DJ Humphreys for two straight years. Right. I think the secondary has some potential. I mean, having Buda-Baker, you think you can get a much better year from Honey Badger. You're certainly hopeful of that, that Justin Bethel played better at the end of last year, that Brandon Williams gets better in his second year.

I think a lot of the things we liked about the Cardinals are still there. Like, it's just minimizing. Maybe there is no answer to your question. Like, they're not going to win the Super Bowl because of those, but I think they can be a good team especially in this lousy division david johnson was as good as anyone in the league last year right you kind of need him to be at that similar level because now i don't know if the passing game is something you could trust the way you couldn't pass years you can't and michael floyd's gone larry fitzgerald doesn't make plays down the field anymore and averaged under 10 yards of

reception which is one of the three or four worst figures in the nflb was still a good player though he's very good in in possession situations but he's not a playmaker to the extent that he was. The offenses we're seeing that are blowing up now, just like we talked about with the Bucks and the Falcons, you have so many different places to go to attack a defense. I don't like offenses. Johnson is incredible,

but where it's all coming from one guy, this mid-season stat where one guy has more ball production than anyone in the league, it's like that's also sometimes the sign of an unhealthy offense. Maybe the key to their team is really John Brown and J.J. Nelson playing well, having good seasons. And I don't know if that's going to happen. They're talented guys because I don't think we can underplay the David Johnson thing.

I think he's on track to be a Hall of Fame type of guy right in the middle of his prime. So that is a huge deal. Well, and then you have Honey Badger is the other part of this. We'll probably know by the end of September if we're ever going to see that guy again. A lot of it. Second major knee surgery. If he gets back to his old form, we'll get a trope on that very soon, I'm thinking. Who's up?

My turn? Yes. My turn. The 49ers. They didn't take a quarterback until the third round. C.J. Bethard? Yes. I, you could also say beat hard.

I think he is, is he the grandson of Bobby Bethard? He is. Well, her nephew or something? He is related to Bethard, yeah. Anyway. One of the best general managers in NFL history. Maybe it becomes something. Maybe he doesn't.

But we'll see. But after collecting a bunch of some extra day two draft picks in 2018 and not addressing quarter. back until beat hard. All right. Are they the ones that are all in for hashtag scam for Sam? All this hope around the Niners and some surprising success for John Lynch, according to some people, are they the ones that are really lined up for this?

When you look at Shanahan specifically, he is so super loyal to past quarterbacks that he's worked with. Wherever he's stopped, he's brought in guys well-passed. their prime just to be on the roster that if he really feels that next offseason's quarterback class also includes Kirk Cousins, then I would say that he would have a tough decision because I think he really seems to side with the guys he knows will fit in a system that he knows will be productive right away. I don't think they're necessarily scant. They're certainly not trying to lose.

And I don't think they're necessarily going to be one of the three or four worst teams in the league. It's a hard team to predict because I think they have one of the best offensive coaches in the league, but a lousy offensive roster. And then a total unknown coaching their defense. And honestly, if you look at their starters on defense, it's not bad. It's kind of an average defense. It's not a bad defense.

I mean, there's some potential really at every level, maybe even better than average talent. So I kind of think if Shanahan can cook up some sneaky yardage with Hoyer, it's like this team has a chance to win six games and have everyone talking about, wow, what a great job by Shanahan. I like that. One more team out of the mix. But we've got an update to your scam for Sam.

Let's hear it. We're now hearing that Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen is the favorite to go number one overall. What? That's fine. Now you got Josh Rosen from UCLA. Posen for Rosen. Scam for Sam. What's this guy's name?

Josh Allen. Fallon for Allen. Phelan for Allen. It's reach. I mean, give me. You got Lamar Jackson? You give me a break. You get a nice.

Jewish boy, like Rosen, playing quarterback in New York City? Well, what did Mark? Inorsment money, watch it. It is a total sea change. And all these teams that have never had quarterbacks are going to get them. And the Patriots and the rest are going to crumble. But we totally forgot to talk about the 49ers. Oh, yeah.

Oh, anyway. So, yeah, I think that is, that is, if they were hashtag scam for Sam. Brian Hoyer is, they can win some games with him probably. That's a tough guy to go one at 15 with. He wins a great. Solomon Thomas, Arick, Armstead, DeForest, Buckner, Aaron Lynch, Navarro, Bowman, Ruben Fosters. No, no, shut up, no more.

Some players. Oh, you can't say some players. I was talking about this next team. There are some players. Okay. Watch it. Nice try. Hit him with some Orson.

Trying to scam the system. I think the more likely team, if it wasn't for the presence of Wade Phillips to be scamming for Sam, and still I think they're going to be in the mix, is the Los Angeles Rams. their draft reminded me so much of previous. Weren't they already off? Fraym's draft. Why have they earned the benefit of the doubt that, let's say, Cooper Cup or their second round tight end, Gerald Everett, are going to be any different than the millions of other wide receivers and tight ends that they've drafted over the years that have not panned out?

Well, because I think one thing under the Jeff Fisher era, there was a very clear. The hand motions. Like sending it out into the ether. It was quite a bit much. I mean, there was such a clear issue with developing offensive talent. That started on the offensive line. It started with the fact they drafted 4,000 wide receivers. Not one of them developed that we saw Todd Gurley for multiple reasons fall off a cliff last year.

Everything under Fisher didn't turn to gold. It turned to the opposite. Yeah, unlike my flamboyant friend Greg Rosentuller. I see reasons to like. Cooper Cup. Okay. I mean, yeah. He might have played at a small school, but every time he played against a big school,

he dominated. And a lot of guys liked him as one of the guy who could develop into one of the best slot receivers in the NFL. Gerald Everett seems like an athletic, moved tight end. And I think, you know. Similar to Tyler Higby, who they just drafted. Right. But also similar to maybe Jordan Reed, who Sean McVeigh had in Washington.

And I think you're starting to see his fingerprints on this roster a little bit. I guess I'm answering my own question would be the coaching staff. would be just much better. I mean, that's what they're banking on. I think so. I think that's what they... Defensively and offensively. I mean, it would be fascinating with this whole first round draft thing

if they wound up with the number one pick because in theory you're not going to draft another quarterback. You've got to stick with Goff. I mean, in theory, but then it becomes who can offer the most to the Rams. You could change your whole franchise by someone giving you a giant bounty and it won't be the Jets. It wasn't so long ago that we were talking about scoff for Goff. You know, everyone at the football cognizant.

was talking about That tells you how little of a sure thing this next round of this is. Everybody's like, oh, you know, it's time to be arid for Jared. It wasn't so long ago. No one was talking about that. Arid. Nobody talked about those guys until the march

before the draft. I know. I just made those up. But if he stinks, by the way, if he stinks, if he, if Jared Guff stinks, they will absolutely be in the market to take a quarterback number one if they go in the tank.

because I would think under a new regime, there's not a lot of loyalty there for him anymore. He's a bit of a tough spot. Same GM that drafted Goff. Yeah, but he'll be gone. Maybe. I mean, I mean, what do you have to do? If they go 2 and 14 again,

you're telling me that Mr. Hansom's still going to be there? We'll see. I guess so. Well, it's a huge season. There's a huge season for golf. Wade, Wade Phillips has got some players to deal with Donald and Ogletree. So did the last win. Yeah, but he wasn't Wade Phillips.

You liked him this morning. Wade Phillips is a Hall of Fame type of coordinator. Agreed. We did it. Did we? Are we done? There's a fifth division. We did it.

We did it. Around the Canadian Football League. 32 teams and two shows, everyone getting equal time. Because that's the type of show. Don't come at us. We're only talking about the Patriots and the Jets and the Browns. That person has more pressing issues than his country. Maybe stop smoking.

Because for two shows a year, we give every team perfect amount of time. We could do that again, you know. We should do another show right after this show. Just do it all again. And then integrate different takes. And we'll put Sidney into an edit bay for like 17 hours, splicing together like multiple hours of shows into one compact one hour program. What do you think, Sid?

Oh, yeah. I love staying here, 17 hours. She deserves better. We will be back. We'll be back on Monday. How about that? We'll be back on Monday with three shows back to our normal schedule now that we're kind of out of the drafts magnetic pull. It affects everyone.

But now we'll get back to it and we'll give you three shows a week. Ah, probably through June about. getting to the June area and then through June well you know into June we'll we'll figure it out probably yeah through those mini camps kind of mid June yeah then we dial it back oh pull back pull back the reins a little bit June at the latest and then uh once camp start we'll be back to three shows a week but uh yeah so we got a lot more coming for you guys and thank you to everyone that listens and again remember what I said on Tuesday we want to get that subreddit up to 5,000 subscribers it's not that hard it's not

get to go there and craft carefully written screeds about our show, just to go sign up for the Reddit, which is a nice fun website, and hit the old subscribe button for around the NFL. We get to 5,000. The 5,000th

subscriber on the subreddit is going to get something special. And I will leave it to Greby to be able to calculate and figure out who 5,000 would be. It seems like a tough job kind of parachuting this into his lap without any prior discussion

but I know he's very good at what he does over there he could also hand us a game and we wouldn't argue you just 5,000 That's true too His brother

Any name 5,000 subscriber gets one of our family's Super Bowl tickets from next year More specifically Gregs Okay

how about a ticket to the Metropolitan Ball the Metball Big deal fashion industries Oscars people say Again, you will lots of celebrities.

How do you, what's your... You've gone from Super Bowl ticket to a fashion show that probably 4% of that Reddit board cares about. We'll figure it out. That's a good brainstorming on the fly, throwing against the wall, Greg. There's no such thing as a bad idea, but let's just narrow this down

and really get something we're all in the same thing. Then we have a ping pong tournament between the four of us to decide which family has to lose the ticket. Don't do parlor games. Parlor games. ping pong of all sports um sport all right generous of you all right that's it this is dan hansis signing off for the quiet storm the mailman the new boss excuse me the old boss and new money behind the glass till monday

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