NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Baker Mayfield sees a UFO and Mike Tannenbaum relives the 2010 AFC Championship

Episode Date: March 4, 2021

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest happenings around the NFL including Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield's UFO sighting (0:28), the Baltimore Ravens newest overtime proposal (8:16) and the uncertain future of several quarterbacks headed into the 2021 NFL season (13:11). Then, former New York Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum joins the show (24:37) to discuss topics such as the right asking price for Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson (25:34), what NFL offseasons will look like in the future (35:16) and Tannenbaum’s newest venture, "The 33rd Team" (39:21). The heroes don't let Tannenbaum off without asking him to relive the 2010 AFC championship where the New York Jets fell to the Pittsburgh Steelers (44:20). Finally, Dan, Marc and Gregg react to the news of Ben Roethlisberger signing a one-year extension with Pittsburgh (48:00). Around the NFL is part of the NFL Podcasts network.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Always delivers the mail. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you for me. virtual, we're filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. You know, guys, I saw this tweet, Mark, that you sent late last night from your boy, Baker Mayfield.

I'm going to read it right here. Okay, please. And we're going to break it down. And by the way, Baker's profile info reads Headband and Justin Timberlake fan. Too bad, Ricky's not on today's show. believe let go and let God build different MMO okay here is uh the tweet almost 100 percent M fill in the the blanket there mark is that his wife Emily is his yes his wife Emily yeah were you at the wedding no no I don't they don't consider me someone that would go to

their wedding at all not even remotely almost 100 percent M and I I have a wife name Emily I've never once used M, just to be clear. Just getting everything out there. I have a wife named Emica. And I do use M sometimes. There you go. Sometimes. There you go.

I wouldn't write it out. I wouldn't write it out. Almost 100. Relatable. M and I just saw a UFO drop straight out of the sky on our way home from dinner. We stopped and looked at each other and asked if either of us saw it, very bright ball of light going. straight down out of the sky toward Lake Travis.

Anybody else witnessed this? Kind of a insane tweet from a franchise quarterback, but also different, and I know you like that, Mark. I loved it. I immediately realized why he is the quarterback of my favorite team. And I think, you know, I think it takes a little bit of bravado to put that tweet out there because you're immediately going to get killed by 97% of people. No, you're not.

Killed? Who's going to kill? All right. Can these aliens turn it down here a little bit? Yeah, this is something. Yeah, they're aggressive. I think we get the tone. Look, I believe it.

Well, I believe him because I think this stuff is happening. I told you when I came up with my family. You said, you tweeted, your tweet was, this is my quarterback forever now. This is what finally won you over. Well, I believe, we had just gotten together actually last night, the three of us, and you guys ate some, if I recall, jerk chicken, and I had some curried vegetables. Very nice meal, the three of us had.

How opposed to are you by our eating? No, not at all. I don't, that's not who I am. That's not, I don't go down that road. And then I got home and I saw this tweet, and I thought, the world is growing stranger by the minute. And it's, no one is free of it. I couldn't be more excited that they had the spotting.

And I believe you, Baker Mayfield and Emily Mayfield. I mean, I'm, my wife is from Texas, a lot of connections here, Mark, and she grew up outside. Well, where was she last night? I'm starting to get slightly suspension. I don't know. I was out to dinner with you. Uh-oh. But she grew up in a small town outside of Waco, Texas, and really in the shadow of Fort Hood, the U.S. military base, where they do a lot of training. also experimenting with different equipment, some of it flying apparatus, apparatus, or is it just apparatus? And sometimes you would see crazy stuff in the sky. And sometimes, and Emily grew up kind of almost on like a farm, the U.S. military would

just touch down like in the middle of like a crop field. And, but my feeling in this situation is that Texas, this is probably some type of military aircraft and not an actual alien spaceship. And I think it should be clear that a UFO is an unidentified flying object. Baker is not saying it was aliens. He was just saying something weird was in the sky. Can I ask you this question? I mean, this is the great thing I think that they've come up with is we blame, no,

or we just suggest it's military operations, which are innately covert. If you, for me, and I, you know, I am anti at this point after what our country's been through. I'm not digging into insane stuff, but I would say this. Like, I am curious as to where our military got some of the incredible technology that is not used in common day practices. There are interesting reports and there are actually like ex-military from the 40s and 50s who are like, I'm 95. Come assassinate me if you'd wish, but I do have some things to share. I have secrets. So I think the umbrella of the military is one that allows us to quickly explain things away.

But that's a talk for another time. I think they obviously saw something weird or ate something weird at dinner. Save it for the Heat and Light podcast. The reboot. Definitely. Yeah, I think two things can be true, that there is some legitimate investigations and proof lately about, you know, life outside of this. earth that that's worth investigating and that

this thing they saw in the sky is probably easily explainable that this one example, you know, just because you saw something, I see things in the sky all the time you know. Is there, there's probably an explanation, you know, why jump right to that? Sensian alien life

form in this solar system beyond us. Well, what does you mean like a thinking beings? In the solar system is, I would say, I think that there's not a, it's unknown, but there's not a lot to suggest that as proof. But I would say this, what would be more American and megalomaniac to think that we're the only people amongst the billions of clusters and planets and stars and

undiscovered corners of a universe that we only know half of one billionth percent about? I mean, that we're the only, hey, look at us. And we've figured it out, by the way. Let's, I mean, we've figured it out here in America. Get off the fence, by the way. Well, and also we're doing, we're also doing awesome. Like, we're doing a bang-up job. This Earth is going to be in great shape a long time, and everyone's happy. Mark, get off the fence, though.

Mars is like, great, you've landed on our planet. He said no. I was a little surprise there. He said, no, basically. That's what I do think there is. In our solar system, I think, is that's a small little space. Got you. And what happened over in Roswell, 47?

That's a question for another day. All right. Sure. What happened in? And Waco, that's a question for another day. Lots of, you know, suspect areas here. That's true. That's true.

I'm with you, by the way. What happened at Baylor? That was a disaster, too. Remember that? You know, it's, Baylor, that was an ugly time in Baylor's history, but it doesn't, it's not the full picture of the university, all right? Now I'm defending Ballard.

I forgot, yeah, I forgot your connection to. I just meant that part of the world's had a lot of crazy. No, there's probably some really nice, like, science students doing nice experiments there, too. So there are a lot of good happenings. Today's show is a good one. We have Mike Tannenbaum, former NFL general manager, and now he is doing his thing on the media side of things. In fact, he just launched a website recently.

The 33rd team. The 33rd team. So make sure you check that. He's going to join us. We're going to catch up with him and talk about what's going on in our league. And we're going to do some quarterback talk. It's a good show. But before we get into talking about some quarterbacks in limbo and an article I wrote on NFL.com this week, do you guys check out this Ravens' overtime proposal?

It's pretty interesting. I find it wild, yeah. So this I'm reading off a PFT report per multiple sources with knowledge. of the situation. The Ravens will be proposing a pair of overtime procedures premised on the concept of spot and choose. One team is still a coin flip. The team that wins the coin flip has the option or has the opportunity to spot the ball. So they could say anywhere on the field and then the other team that loses the coin toss gets the chance to say, okay, we'll take the ball from that spot that you've set or will defend from that spot. And I guess it takes away

the chance on some level and makes it a choice for the two teams. And it would eliminate the, it would become sudden death again. It would return, revert to sudden death. But lessening the impact of the coin toss. Greg, what are your thoughts about this? I think it's fascinating. I'm all for innovative thinking. It makes me think there's not much. chance of it actually passing because, you know, they didn't do the fourth and 15 idea that they've talked about instead of onside kicks. This, to me, is similar. I think you can also choose, okay, I'll take the ball and then if you win the coin toss and then the other team's like, okay, you get it at the five or what, you know, I'm not sure what the order is. No, the order

is the team that wins a coin toss sets the yard. When you put them at their own one yard line every time, if that were then, you go, you then give the other team the choice of what the yard that the winning coin toss team chose. So the fact that there's two proposals that are similar-ish, the Patriots apparently support another version of this where you play it for seven and a half minutes no matter what, and the Ravens have one that it would be sudden death. Strikes me that the chances, they're already not aligned even which way to do this,

that it's going to be tough to get a consensus. But I love it. I think it would give the analytics department something to do. I would not be trusting Andy Reid to just be making up his mind on the spot. I mean, these guys can't even, you know, no one to take a time out at the end of the half. So you better, like, have your plan of what you're going to do coming into the game if you hit the overtime. But it's fun. Let's add some strategy.

There's not that many overtimes anyway, so let's play around with them. I do. I think John Harbaugh is very aggressive with his, this time of year. The Ravens always seem to come up with stuff like this. The analytics community will go nuts. And think about this when NFL Twitter discovers a team that hasn't really dipped into analytics and they're taking the ball at like their own at their own 40 or something and everyone's going absolutely nuts.

There's going to be a lot of weigh-ins and a lot of opinions. And that is good and bad, but I think it's a spicy rule. I approve. What if you have the Rams defense from a year ago and you're playing a mediocre offense and you're like, we'll say the 31. let's not even make an even number, 31. You guys can take the ball. That, you know, take the ball, Bengals with Brandon Allen.

You get it first because we think we're going to stop you and then all we got to do is kick a field goal to win. I mean, there is a lot of fun strategy that would come from. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned the 40, Mark. I think that's a no-brainer. But then once you start to tick backwards and you get to around the 30, if your offense isn't that good, you're going to probably think twice about, am I going to be able to mark?

the 60 yards or whatever to get into scoring range. According to, I don't know where this comes from, but according to the Florio post on PFT, and I'll quote it, it's believed that the break even point would be the 13 yard line. For the 14

or beyond, the team choosing offense or defense will be more likely to take the ball. For the 12 or closer, the team choosing offense or defense will be more likely to opt to defend. I mean, a lot of factors beyond that would make sense. I don't know where he gets that, but I guess it kind of, I could see playing out that way.

But I don't know, the Belichick angle of it, Greg, so that's the other proposal. Does that mean that it would be the 10 minute overtime? And then Belichick's saying there would be another seven and a half minutes? No, he's saying just make it, no, he's saying there's a regular seven and a half minute overtime period. So not even 10. You bump it down two and a half minutes. And whoever's leading at the end of that wins, you know, might.

No sudden death component at all. No sudden death. But in theory, it would give the second team a chance, perhaps, to go back and score to match it. That would be fun. I'm all for shorter overtimes either. I don't need a long one.

Interesting. All right. Good stuff. All right. Let's, yeah, let's talk a little quarterbacks before we get Mr. T on the phone here. Like I said, wrote a piece on NFL.com. And I was looking through,

I did the same exercise last year. And I feel like it didn't always used to be this way. But things have been a little funky in the last couple of years in the NFL where a really high number of quarterbacks are in a little bit of limbo this time of year. And I counted 15 guys right now. And I have as like last year, the big domino was Tom Brady. And everything was about Brady and wherever he landed, then you started to figure out the rest of the pieces. This year, it kind of is the show. Sean Watson, but because the way the Texans have handled this, and they've purposefully,

they're either, you know, have their head in the sand or are not going to trade this quarterback no matter what he's saying or the message he's sending, or they're just deciding to keep it murky and do it on their own timetable. It kind of puts all these teams in a really tough position about how long do you wait if it happens, if they, if they're not going to pull a trigger on a deal before the draft, you can't like be passing on and quarterbacks in the draft on the hope that Deshaun Watson comes available. So it's kind of a strange situation. But he's just like the first guy.

And I'll use one example from this list. And I like to hear you guys, a quarterback that jumps out to you when you break down kind of where their paths can ride. So Jimmy Garoppolo for the 49ers as an example. I think the best case scenario for Jimmy G is that the 49ers, they do their homework. They study all their options here. they kick the tires under Sean Watson. They look at the veterans out there. They check the draft class.

And they say, you know what? We got this guy in our house. Let's give him one more try. And then Kyle Shanahan says, all right, he's our guy. Let's the media know that there's no drama. And he gets his shot. The worst case scenario, obviously, is they get a quarterback from an outside source. And Garoppolo gets put in this situation where his career goes from this perfect landing spot with San Francisco.

with great coaching and great personnel and just get sent to who knows where and just barely trying to hang on to a starting job and best case scenario in some type of camp battle. And then I think the most likely scenario is, and let me know if you agree, I do think he's their quarterback in 2021, despite all the smoke out there.

If I had to guess, I don't see the same desperation with John Lynch and Kyle Shannon, at least outwardly, that we saw with the Rams and Jared Goff, and I think it points to the most likely him getting a do-or-die fifth season in San Francisco. I agree with that because I think they know they're in a flexible position for Deshaun Watson. They are in the best position in my mind of any team in terms of being able to weight it out. They are not in the best position of having the draft assets like the Jets or some other teams. Because, number one, Jimmy G, people think, oh, that Jimmy G contract, he's not making that much money.

He's sort of at almost the minimum of what franchise quarterbacks are right now, which is like $25 million. You don't want to be paying Jimmy G that he stinks, but there's no guarantees. The bigger thing is you can trade him, you can cut them, you can do anything with no cap hit whatsoever anytime you want. You can do it in August. You can do it in May.

So they are in a unique position to wait out. They also know there might be a market for Jimmy G. I think the Patriots would gladly take on that quarterback contract depending on where they're at at that point in the office. season but i also think they look at what's around there and out there and they don't see anyone better than jimmy j so they can just sort of hang tight so i think you know like they do you know i think that in general i kind of buy the idea that yeah we have faith in him yeah we want to bring them back um there's whispers that they are interested in kirk cousins there was whispers last year

about tom brady it's like i think their thing is this like the dischaun watson thing is a real possibility if they had a chance because i think it's like you don't do this to Jimmy G. And you don't do it after everything you've said unless you have a chance to get a franchise altering type quarterback that no fan of the 49ers would disagree with that scenario. I mean, for me, the Jimmy G thing, the experience has been rocked a little bit by his durability. Like, I just, we've seen two seasons of Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco totally sideswiped by him being out of the lineup. And when he's been in the lineup, I don't think he's nearly as good as that five-game introduction he had when we were all writing amazing

think pieces because he looked like the next big thing. He's not been that guy ever since. All right. Throw out another name there. I don't even care if it's on my list, but I bet he is. They won some playoff games. Poor Jimmy G. He threw like seven passes on that Super Bowl ride. Go ahead, Mark. How about your guy, Sam Darnold? I think it's a very interesting case because you know, Sam Darnold for someone that's essentially sort of struggled but shown great moments, little moments too, that I think have kept the people that were fascinated with Sam Darnel when he came out of USC alive and in hope that he could restore his career. And you'd have to look at the Jets and say, yes, he was put in a terrible situation.

So I'll start with the worst case scenario. I think that that is, you know, they have the chance to get to Sean or they just go take Zach Wilson at number two. And Darnold's very brief but touted New York career comes to it. maybe he's shipped to a team like the Bears and they don't have their act together. And then by 2024, he's hosting like inside USC on Channel 97 here in Los Angeles and he's out of the NFL. It's like you're just out. Like maybe you run out of chances and there's too many good young-

You're going to take Mark Sanchez's job on that table? I was going to say, is that a Sanchez hit? Well, you know, it's- There's-Barkly still in the league. I was like, does Barkley have that job? I was like, no, Barclay is actually outlasting Sanchez quietly. It's kind of amazing. How many USC quarterbacks want? wind up just on television.

So I think that would be the worst case because it would make me sad to. Liner. Liner. Best case for me, and I think this is the thing. I could see this. And Dan, you kind of suggested this. And I don't know if they're wedded to the concept of this. It's a little risky if they pass up on someone who becomes great out of the draft.

You keep Darnold. You've got this amazing chance to build around them for the first time. And I also do think that with Mike LaFleur coming in and running an offense that quarterbacks have thrived in, it's a Kyle Shanahan type offense, you might get the version of Sam Darnold that we've all waited for. I mean, it's just been someone who's been in a terribly unfair situation. That's your best case. What do I think will happen?

I think they'll just be too compelled to move on because almost like, because there's too much, there's too many intriguing options. And the hype on Zach Wilson and the chance for Deshawn Watson, it's just too juicy. And I think because you can get something back for Sam Darnold and sell it as we're giving him a new opportunity to, that the divorce feels. But it makes me feel a little bit sad for old school Jets fans because I do think he can go on and succeed elsewhere. And if anything went wrong with what New York's behind door number two scenario was and Darnold went somewhere else and led another team to the playoffs. Oh, boy.

So I mean, that is that's somewhere good. That's the Jets' worst case scenario. But you know what? If and I think they're going to take Zach Wilson, there's a lot of breadcrumbs out there, you look at move the sticks where he's mocking him and you kind of connect some dots there. if that guy can play it doesn't really matter unless Sam Darnold becomes Joe Montana I think Jets fans are going to be okay with it

but you're right that there is a worst case scenario and then any team that's any fan that's a fan of a tortured fan base or a part of a tortured fan base always imagines the worst case scenario that Donald becomes the real deal but ultimately I think

what Greg has been pounding the table about is like it checks out It's like, Donald did have three years. I know it was in a bad situation, but he had opportunities, too, to put more out there. And it just, it's ultimately, I think, especially for a new regime with Sala there and Douglas having total control,

it's a little bit too much of a leap of faith to believe in Donald's still. And that's why I think they really should kind of reset things. If they truly do love Zach Wilson or another quarterback. I mean, it's funny because the bears are the worst case scenario for everyone. sorry. Although the Patriots are pretty close right now. You would think they'd figure out how to make it better around them. But last year, it was a pretty bad worst case scenario. I kind of think, though, that it's more likely he'll be there with a Zach Wilson type, which feels messy, but I think would be the right move unless you get a significant return. I don't know who's

given up a second round pick for Sam Darnold. Are they going to trade them for a third? Maybe they would. I think everything you hear, Greg, is that people like, there are people that like Donald much more than you do. Who is it? I know you don't. Yeah. Okay, maybe it's the Bears, but I just don't know, like, where are the teams that are

giving up high draft picks for quarterbacks? Like, name them. Name them. I don't know who. Maybe you get a shocker like Denver. What about the Broncos? The Bears, the Patriots in Denver are kind of the three that stand out. And yeah, Denver, maybe, and maybe it's a third, or maybe it's a second.

And you're right. Texans? I mean, the 49ers. would be a best case scenario. I feel like if they got, you know, Ford Darnold, where you really do get a chance to remake your career. If I was the Jets,

I'd feel like I can't ever find a quarterback. I'd rather have two on my roster. Everyone's so worried about, you know, if you're really strong in your organization and what you're going to do, let's see them both. Let's see them both.

Oh, that would be terrible. We have two quarterbacks. We like, oh, my gosh, that would be terrible. Like if all you're getting back is a third round pick, be confident enough that you can handle the media and the clowns and the fans. And let's see what Darnold looks like with, because we never know. Maybe this Wilson guy's not going to look as good as we think or let's see a play out.

You are positing a scenario here that hasn't really been floated, though, Greg. Because we're not, and nobody really knows, but we haven't been hearing, oh, the Jets, the most they can get for Sam Darnold is a third round pick. Like, if that's the case, it does become a conversation. He's on the team and we keep hearing from Jets or. supporters, they're asking for a second. And so the fact that they're starting at a second, it indicates to me maybe that no one's

offered it to them. I don't think of it. Or it's the Sam Bradford thing and you trade him in September when someone else's knee shatters and you get him at max value, which would be cunning after what will be the, it will be messy to have them both there with the New York tabloids exploding and going nuts day after day. Well, he also could be a nice piece on draft day to make some moves there too. Hey, let's move up for another top.

pick and use Darnold to do that, that could be possible. Yeah, I hate little Darnold. Come on. All right, relax, calm down. A little peek behind the curtain. Dan, you know, we've got Tannenbaum. I think he's waiting. Like, have we totally finished this QB segment?

We have now coming up, it's the off season. It's like, it's, I know this is the type of thing that stresses Dan out a little bit. We can revisit this too. I'm chill. You know, cool as a cucumber here. We're good. Do we have Mike Tannenbaum? even Mani filling in for Eric and Tamposi?

We do. If we do, let's bring him on there. He is. Wow. I was outgroom, my friendly fool. So I'm sorry I thought it was a couple of minutes late. You know what the tie-in, what a friendly frivol is tied for this podcast? What's that?

I do. I know. So Greg is from Wilberham, Massachusetts, the home of the original friendlies. I feel like, Mike, you'd be. been on the show before, and I remember that nugget from last time as well. Mike Tanabom, you know him. He's ESPN's NFL front office insider, which is a nice title. Good job by Mike there. And of course, the former GM of the Jets, EVP with the Miami Dolphins. He has a new gig, the 33rd team. I want to get to that a little bit later, Mike.

But, you know, as a former GM, I just want to start, Mike, and ask you about this Deshawn Watson situation because we've had a conversation on this podcast about like what is too much for Deshawn Watson? Is there a price that's too high for a guy like him? And as a

former GM, do you think that there are front office decision makers that are kind of spooked by this whole thing because you could be in a position where you give up the farm to get this quarterback? And then it might end up getting you fired by the third year of Watson on the new team because you

weren't able to stock the cupboard around him, a bit of a dicey situation for a GM? Yeah, that's a simple question, a complicated answer. Great to be with you guys. And the short answer is, no, there's not too much. Ed up I've offered my daughter, who, by the way, is totally not salary cap for a so there's actually a little bit of a win. I was Ryan Pace in another segment I offered like the Chicago, the Sears Tower. And in all seriousness, have one of the five best players whose high character leader under

contract, 25 years old, he checks every box. You can give up five first round picks. When you study the history of our game and the best of the best, the Ron Wolce of the world, on average, it's about 58 or 59% success rate on first rounders. And of course, that depends if you're in the top five or the bottom five. But the other thing, guys, what did we just learn from Tom Brady? What an unbelievable association he created. People walk to Tampa Bay to play with Tom. The same thing's going to happen. And with the cap going down this year, guys, and so many good football players are going to get squeezed. Just because you don't have first round picks, doesn't mean you won't be able to acquire good players, and players are going to want to play with Deshaun

Watson. So it's an unexpected opportunity. I spent a couple decades of my life trying to find players like Deshaun Watson. If you could ever get one, like, and I said this, and I need it, guys, if Nick Hissera ever call me, I would not get off the phone. It was like when I was closing out the Brett Favre trade at the Jets. And I felt like there was finally a deal of he had and we could get them over Tampa Bay. Like I was not laying those dudes off the phone. Like this is an opportunity that hardly ever comes around. And maybe, and I'm saying this, maybe, maybe Jacksonville straight up for Trevor Lawrence

would be the one situation I wouldn't do it for. But beyond that, 100% go get them and you could figure out everything else. But my question for you, I mean, if you are Nick Casario and you waited so long to get this opportunity, I mean, almost overly patient. He was in New England with offers and interest for years. You land in Houston, and you've really been airdropped into the as thornyest situation as I can think of GM having to deal with in so long. The Jack Easterby business, the Cal McNair, there just seems to be a bit of a culture war going on inside the building. Yes, he could get a lot in return, but you'll always be the GM that came in and soon after

JJ Watts out the door, Deshawn Watson's out the door. You're hoping the guy you get to replace him at quarterback would be, you know, the equal or better. But do you think he feels behind the scenes like, what the heck have I done here? Did I land in the middle of like an NFL war zone? So there's one guy that can fix this situation. It's Cal McNair. And something obviously happened here, guys, because Deshaun Watson signed the contract after D'Andre Hopkins was traded.

And that's really important to the context is really important. So the most important person in this franchise isn't Jack Easterbee, isn't David Colley, isn't Nick Casero, and Sashaw Watson, that's why he's getting paid $39 million a year. So if I'm Cal McNair, I am solid of the problem. I am flying to wherever he wants me to fly to. I am taking my yellow pad out, and I'm asking question after question of not what happened, but why it happened, and we're going to stand shoulder or shoulder and fix it. And if I'm Cal McNair, I'm taking Nick Casero with me, and if it means moving on from everybody else in the building, I don't care. because Deshaun, you're going to be here. And what's interesting is for Nick, he's earned this opportunity.

He's a hard worker. He's a good person. But he is in a tough position. I will say this. I just don't imagine there's a scenario where they would trade him because there's some other tremendous intangibles, which is put yourself in Nick Hissero's shoes. Like, what do you stand for?

So you hit a bump in the road. The player's upset. We know that. But when you sign a contract, it also means something. Like, you just can't indiscriminately walk away from that. And if you're Nick and you, let's say, get three ones and Quinn and Williams or whatever, the challenge you're going to have is there will be some other bump in the road at some point. When you have 90 players, 90 contracts, 90 agents, 90 egos, it never just goes smooth, right? And if you do that in the first couple months of your administration, you have zero chance to build anything sustainable because everyone else is going to run the same play that Deshaun Watson did.

So there is some real big picture compelling sort of dynamics here. And if I was Nick, what I would simply say, and I tried this with Rex Ryan and Woody Johnson, when we had a big holdout with Dorel Revis, is we have to stand shoulder to shoulder. And if I'm Nick Houserra, what I'm saying is, guys, no matter what, we aren't even talking about training him until February of 2022. And maybe the new legacy of the AFC South is this is where great quarterback's going to retire. because if Deshawn Watson rather retire than play here, we should honor him and celebrate that.

But we can't trade him because we trade them. We stand for nothing. Well, that's sort of how he's playing it right now, it seems like. I mean, that he's not picking up the phone. I am curious, like, you know, as a GM, and by the way, I appreciated the fribble reference, you know, the friendlies reference. Greg, if your body language was somewhat indifferent,

I got to tell you, like, no, no. I mean, Greg worked there, by the way. Greg, didn't, you were an employee. I was a waiter there. Dan was scooped right past it. I was ready. I was ready to talk. I, you know, that was, you got out of a shift at Friendlies.

Your, your hands were dirty at the end. I started as a dishwasher, worked my way up. It's like, it was like the Kanye song right there. But you're a forward GM, like, how do you use the media in this way? Because like, that is like, I'm curious as someone who went through it. Like, GMs do use the media. They never talk about. about how they use the media,

but it's getting out there in a way that, like, Casario's not picking up the phone. So to me, that feels like a message that they're sending. Like, that is the message they want out there publicly right now is like we're not even entertaining it right now. Yeah, there's probably a lot of different feelings going through Nick. Like, I know in my situation, you know, publicly I was like trying to be as smooth as I could, like, hey, you know, we have all the respect in the world for the player

and say all the sort of like classic sound bites, but I had a massive pit in my stomach because I knew like at the Jets that year we had a great team and I didn't want to be the one guy to send us home by not getting the deal done. And Nick, you know, you don't get these jobs without being Uber competitive and wanting to win. I'm sure deep down, you know,

if you would just open up Nick Casero and tear him in half, like I'm sure he's having a lot of sleepless nights. And you can, you know, it's interesting. I'm not so sure he's leaking that to the media because his audience really is Cal McNair and David Culley. And then from there it's obviously the locker room. I think the other interesting dynamic guys that, again, there's so many layers to unpack here.

But think about like you're trying to build, like David Culley's 65 years old. He finally gets an opportunity of lifetime. How are you going to be able to attract a player to sign there until this is resolved? How are you going to convince Will Fuller to come back to play for A.J. McCarran? So this really is, and I've said this before, which is if they are going to trade them, they really need to do it ASAP.

As other quarterbacks or other situations get solidified, it just makes their market smaller and smaller. So their worst case scenario is that they get to September, October, and this still isn't resolved. Yeah, and I would think of one move that AJ McCarran can do is to impress Will Fuller, take the shirt off and show that wild tattoo situation all over his torso. So just, that's me, just spitballing.

Hey, your colleague, your colleague, Diana Rossini, Mike, texted or tweeted yesterday, just texted with an NFL head coach about the upcoming cuts and what he expects. Here's the quote, it's going to be a massacre next week all around the league. Does this feel to you, Mike, or Mr. T, as Francesa used to call you, does this feel like a perfect storm type scenario for smart teams that have some salary cap wiggle room right now? Yeah, I think teams are going to be rewarded for being patient. You know, it's interesting. You look at the JJ Watt deal, and when you really think about it,

I think J.J. Wock had a great deal for him just from a standpoint when you think about his age, his injury history, and in 10 days, if the four of us were having this conversation, we would be saying, like, I can't believe that player X or player Y is out there. I think it's a great point, which is there will be some really opportunistic signs. And I think if we look at the two Super Bowl teams, you're going to see players like the Daniel Sorensen's the world, Sammy Walkins, and then, you know, with Tampa Bay, after Godwin, Levant David, and Shaq Barrett, you know, a lot of those players, I don't think are going to do, like Indomaconsu's a free agent.

Obviously, Antonio Brown and Kronk probably go back there at cheap prices, but I think a lot of good players will be available in the coming weeks. I would love to ask you this, because this is hot on my radar. You know, we learned a lot during a pandemic-ridden off-season last year that maybe we don't need everything that the NFL throws at us during the offseason, the 45 billion OTAs. And for me, it's the preseason because you're GM. Mark wants less work. Well, no, I would just say that you would probably, I would imagine come from the angle.

Like I know people think the preseason is unenjoyable, but here's why we need it. But do we need as much of it? And do you feel like the way that they came to, you know, decisions and cuts last year for you is it something that you'd say less is more in this situation? Or do we go old school and bring it all back? The Snoopy Bowl, the Hall of Fame game, the whole thing. The Snoopy Bowl. We got our ass kicked in a lot of those Snoopy bowls.

It's a run. I remember Rex calling out Tom Copland. I'm like, really? Like, do we have to do that right now? It's August Rex. Like, we got a long, there's a lot of times for you to be aggrieved. There's a lot of times for you to be belligerent. Like, is it really with Tom over, like, the third preseason game?

Like, do we have to go there? I'm shaking Jerry Reese's hands and just shaking my head. You know, like, come on, man. Anyway, I think as many things in life, it's going to be probably somewhere in the middle. You know, when you speak to people around the league, there are efficiencies with Zoom and some offseason in terms of like installs, like the conversation we're having here now. I think some of these are going to be here to stay. So here's the big challenge, though, which is, and this goes back years ago with my ESPN colleague, Jeff Saturday, which is when Jeff came out, he was. was a developmental offense alignment.

And he was a very prominent person in the union. And some of the rules that they agreed to with having reductions, massive reductions in the offseason hurt players like Jeff Saturday from developing. And here's really the ultimate conundrum. J.C. Treader is financially set. He doesn't need the offseason program. And they're going to push for, hey, we don't need it. Look at the great product on the field.

but what about all the younger players that desperately need it? And that's why this is not a one-size-fits-all sport because those younger players need it to make it. The veterans don't want to do it anymore because they rather just work out on their own. And that's why I think you're going to see something in the middle where maybe it's not nine weeks anymore, maybe it's five or six,

and maybe it's mandatory based on years of service. And I think there's some compromises in there. And in terms of the preseason games, I think what we're just going to see is, you know, that up to a regular season game with obviously sounds like we're on the precipice of a 17 game regular season. I don't like the preseason the way we have it now because anytime you're in a situation where you're just trying to survive and not get hurt, not accomplishing anything. And so many teams are going to those joint practices and all the coaches I've been with, they like those better because you can script. competition where, hey, let's have, you know, good against good in the red zone or one-on-one or pass rush, and you can evaluate and get good work without, again, there's always going to be risk of injuries, but you could sort of like minimize that. So that's why I think

we're going to see tweaking to the system, but I don't think it's going to be all one way or the other. How do you feel about that, Mark? Is that an answer that makes you feel better about the future? No, that's a reduction. I think right down the middle and some changes make sense. And, you know, if Mike T is saying that's the case, then I'm going to ride with that because that's how it works. Are you, are you proud or embarrassed that you're the only general manager that's ever come up to us at the owner's meeting and admitted you listened to our show? That's what burden I'm proud of. Okay. Good.

I mean, I can't be the only one, but, you know, maybe I'm the only one that is, you know, I don't know, smart or dumb enough to admit it. So you guys are what I'm getting at. Hey, Mike, tell us about this 33rd team venture. So I totally stumbled into something, guys, and I'm very excited about, very proud of. When I got the position at ESPN, it was very soon after leaving the dolphins and big transition, and it was a real privilege to replace Bill Polly.

So as Greg and his, you know, knowing the Western Massachusetts geography, drove from Bristol, Connecticut to UMass Amherst, where I've done a lot with the sports, management program. I hired some really smart grad students to help me create a database because I was doing the draft for ESPN Radio. And it went so well that the program decided to have a bunch of students worked for me and they got credit. And what I quickly realized was there's a number of head coaches and GMs that are between opportunities that want to stay current.

So I started this weekly Zoom call and we're up to 50 people. And it's incredible. Like two weeks ago we had Wade Phillips breaking down Todd Bowles' game plan. Yesterday we had Eric Van Jeannie talking about like the corners in the draft. We do game management cap draft character versus ability. And really what I found is a lot of these coaches like Dan Quinn's great example, Dan was on and a couple of the grad students did a bunch of research projects for him that he wanted to work on. And we put out a free newsletter, the 33rd team.com, completely free. and I'm really what it energizes me about it is there's a lot of young men and women that want to get involved with football that are doing volunteer research projects and then there's coaches that are you know Mark Trussman who's coach Steve Young and Joe Montana you know breaking down Justin Herber compared to Tua and through the magic of Zoom it's you know it's working and it's been great and I feel like for me like I get better as a broadcaster and get just great information and if I can help other people young people get to where they want to go then that's even better i would tell you one quick

thing that like when i was a senior in college and my dream was to work for the cleveland browns this is back in like 1995 that two like months before i graduated they announced they were moving to baltimore and became like the arch enemies of the browns i thought well a that's bad but b i was left with no career path and my first job was um at columbia library putting metal strips into library books for like 850 an hour with my parents wondering what on earth have we done with this person so i wish this existed back then i would have been um a hardcore member of the group so that sounds great do you know that i work for the browns in 1995 oh look at you did i know the mystery in your way i mean i think mark if you wanted you wanted your job i don't

know i don't know what the you know the 33rd team guys feel like i think you have to open up your mind to working for more than just one team. You can't just be like, I'm a Browns fan. I'm only working for the Browns. Screw you the other rest of the 31st. Well, I was a child back then, Greg. I mean, it wasn't, I wasn't, you know. Not the full-blown mature, you know.

Right. Exactly. I want you guys to do a little research project on GMs. This is, I have a quick bone to pick. I know we got to let you go. But it's like, of like, GM's always evaluating free agents based on their college draft profiles. I feel like they do that all the time. It doesn't make any sense. You have four years of the NFL to evaluate it on, but maybe someone's going to be like, well, like that Sam Darnel guy,

we thought he was the third best player in the draft. So I'm going to give up a good pick for him now. While you were wrong about that draft evaluation, it seems like that happens like a lot. Am I crazy that that happens a lot in the NFL that they do it off the draft like five years later? Yeah, no, that's totally fair, Greg. I think that's one of the challenges of working the front office is to say, hey, like, that's the beginning of the conversation. And Mitch Trubisky was picked before Deshaun Watson. That hasn't turned out the way it should. That's not to say that's the end of Mitch Trubisky's career.

I mean, that can be a great opportunity for him to go someplace else, but we can't ignore the four years of the tape that he has. I think, and Dan Rolofsky and I have had some knockdown dragouts about this. I think the Darnold conversation is so fascinating because you have to factor in. Are you going to exercise the fifth year option? And I don't see how a good conscience you can do that based on how much he's turned the ball over. And then when you compare that guys to Zach Wilson, like, I don't think that's a really hard decision at all. Like, how can you invest at least another $25 million?

And again, remember, that option is now fully guaranteed in what would be 2022, where you have a guy like Zach Wilson who, even if you felt like it was like this, which I don't think it is. I think it's Wilson and then Darnold. But let's say you're sitting here like it's a coin toss. how can you then say like well now i want to go guarantee another 25 million for sam darnell and that's why i think you really um when you talk about evaluating these guys you've got a factor in like where you think the economics are going to end as well that makes sense that makes sense 33rd team dot com the 33rd team dot com and before we say goodbye mike i want to play uh i want to play one clip i'm a big jets fan my going way back tortured fan and i want to play this clip and then i have a question to ask you okay

and it's a very serious question. I want your honest answer. Can you give me that? Boy, I think we're going here. All right, here's the play first. Here's the play first. Stephen did it. Poor guy.

I mean, he comes around and gives him. He's a couple of throws in. The catch to launch it. And then he had the big one last with the lone gainer that set up the winner. All right. It's January 2010, AFC championship game. Steel is up 2419. Over your Jets, you're the GM.

It's third and six, two minutes to play. Ben to A, B, first down, game over. Now, as a Jets fan, I've always thought, if the D can get off the field there, the Jets get it done. Do the Jets complete the comeback with Mark Sanchez if they just get off the field on third and six? One hundred and fifty percent. There's no doubt my mind. No doubt my mind.

It was all going. The wave, it was a momentum wave. Mr. T. Yeah. I'll tell you, you know what killed me? Go back to the first third down that game. They call hands to the face on Cromarty,

50 yards away from the frickin' play, had nothing to do with it, and we're off the field. It's a three-in-out, and they score on that drive. And at some point, I'll get over it. Like, look, I'm not well-adjusted. You know, like, Tony Crenthe is a great official.

The guy's a cancer survivor. Like, he's a great official. But that poor guy, in the 2009 championship game we're going out for the coin toss and he says New York Giants Indianapolis Colts no we're the New York F in Jets Tony

and the night saw him at St. Elmo's and like very nice congratulate blah blah blah and now every time I see Tony Cranny all I think about is he called this the Giants not the Jets in the 2009

championship game I mean here's like a great official cancer survivor great dude and he's missed me and I can't get over it Like that way, you know, I'm just strong. Well, Mike, you know, the Jets have not been back to the playoffs since you were the man in charge.

And when they one day get over the hump, God willing, we'll all on some level celebrate it. Thank you, Mike. Well, not Greg. But thank you, Mike, for joining us. And good luck with everything this season. And, yeah, we really enjoyed. And the friendlies talk is always fun as well.

Thanks. And is it okay for me to admit that I continue to listen to you guys? even even as a non-GM. Thank you. We'll have you out in the future. We'll have you out in the future and then like pull another painful scab right at the end of the interview that time too.

There he goes. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Mike Tonabom. All right. That's a good man. We like Mike Tonovan. He's certified friend of the show.

And we played a... Tulane grad, by the way. Didn't even get to that. We have all sorts of connections. A lot of connections. He is. We played the audience. father. It's just, it's a possibility. It's possible. Greg Tannenbaum. I like that.

Played the clip, the, you know, the audio audience isn't here that. I didn't see it, but we played the clip of that third and six. And that was now, hell, 11 years ago. And Ben escapes right from Sean Ellis and the Jets Pass Rush, scrambles to his right, and then hits a young Antonio Brown. Like, as I watch that clip, first of all, Ben looks about 25 pounds lighter. And he moves. He can move. And it did make me think on the day that we learned that the Steelers and Big Ben came to agreement on a deal. And he will be back in Pittsburgh. Officially, that is a done deal. But he's not that guy anymore. So the Steelers just need to have a backup plan.

And I hope they do. And listen, smart organizations ultimately make smart decisions. And I do think bringing Big Ben back, had there's some logic to it, but only if you upgrade what's behind him. And in front of him, the offensive line, it's true. I think Ben's mobility was always an underrated part of his game

because it's not like he was like running for first downs. And of course he was known for, you know, being very tough to take down. But he also like a Brady was very good at like the subtle sort of pocket movement and moving up, moving back, moving down, and just keeping those plays going, and that's not happening anymore. I don't think that part's coming back for him.

He was as frustrating a quarterback if you were the opposing team to deal with, that was around it. And there were a moment, I'm not saying, I'm not comparing him to this player, but he had little L-Way-esque traits to him where you just thought on 3rd and 18, this guy is about to be taken down,

he's got three players on him, bang, he's escaped, he completes the pass to Heinz Ward, super annoying. I will say this, like, I really do have respect for the player. I do. I do, I'm mystified. That's always a bad sign. When Casario started calling Deshaun Watson the player or Cal McNaird, they were like, it's not a bad sign from me.

I don't think he cares at all. But here's the thing, I invite the Steelers to roll out the same offense that we saw over the past two months of the season. Let's see if you can make that work next year. I mean, there's a, he's not coming back to. the Steelers team of a couple years ago that's just weight knocking on the door of the Super Bowl. It's a very challenging final year scenario.

We'll see. I'm with you. It's funny because you've been getting on me. Based on YouTube Jokers. No, I wouldn't say that, but they've got, I want to see what they do in the offseason because they have a lot of work to do. But you take that offense,

you subtract three starting offensive linemen, you subtract Juju, James Connor, not that that's a huge lot. There's a lot going on. It's funny because you've been getting on me for being anti-Ben. And yet, I really think of myself as, like, I think he's one of the greats. I think he's under rate, like, for the first 10, until 2018, I don't think there's, like, nearly as big a gap, for instance, between him and Drew Brees in terms of just, like, who was a better player throughout their career.

I'd give Brees the edge, but I don't think it's huge. Like, I think he was basically, if you consider them in the same era, a solid, like, number three behind Brady and Brees. That is an easy Hall of Famer. I don't know what I mean, there's nothing left for him to prove. It's just like, I think this could be an unpleasant final chapter. Now, I have been wrong about rating before. They kept this stats down for a while because of the way they ran their offense, but he was like so efficient and so tough.

Yeah, I mean, I'm certainly not saying that he's going to light it up next year. I think they need to just be smarter about you can't run out Dwayne Haskins and if things go sideways with Ben or if he gets hurt. You know, you got to do better than Mason Rudolph. all. Speaking of, you mentioned Drew Brees and just circling back before we say goodbye to our conversation before Mr. T. I have James Winston on my list of 15 quarterbacks in a bit of limbo here. And, you know, for that I had best case scenario that his rap sheet reported on Super Bowl Sunday that he was in the driver's seat. Winston was for the same starting job. The wide assumption was that Drew Brees was retiring. But then there was a report. or a video that came out last week with Breeze and his personal trainer

and he's setting personal records in sled pushing and he still hasn't announced that he's retiring and listen, by the time his podcast comes out, maybe he drops a press release. But like, it's becoming increasingly,

I don't know, possible that Breeze actually does return. I know that he did rework his contract in a way that makes it seem like retirement is still imminent. But he's, still has to come to that decision as an athlete that I'm done. And I just wonder if the organization gives him the path and is okay with it, if Drew Breeze actually does retire. And if that's the

case, that would be really bad news for you, Greg, because you have so much invested in James Winston. And the worst case scenario for Winston is that Breeze doesn't retire. And Winston either has to decide to play an understudy again and hope he gets an opportunity or he hits the open market, he goes elsewhere, which would be bad news for James Winston because he's in a perfect spot to reboot his career. He kind of needs Drew Brees to kiss off right now. And the longer it goes that he doesn't, I'm sure it's a source of anxiety for him. I'd be shocked if Breeze comes back based on the fact that he signed this contract that

kind of reduced his cap figure and his salary right now to make it easier. So you're right. He is stretching it out a little bit. And just retire. Like, what's the delay then? And why is he working out? so vigorously. You're probably right that there's there's some second thoughts or third thoughts. I mean, yeah, the worst case scenario for James is probably Chicago or being a backup

somewhere. A similar, a similar scenario that's pretty bad is returning to New Orleans and oh, he pulls the okey-doke and there's Taysam Hill starting that quarterback for week one again. And like you just, you just sit there behind him. I would be intrigued to see him on the Patriots. that would be intriguing. Which, who? James Winston. But I recognize that for my overly ambitious rankings, which I now regret, I was like, I would just knock all those quarterbacks down 10 to 15 spots.

Like Boston Radio, someone told me that they did it like an hour on WEI, which I appreciate all press is good press, of just like making fun of how high I had Cam Newton ranked. Did they really? Oh. I don't know if that's true. Interesting. Well, Stephen Manny, filling in again for Erica Tamposi. And by the way, Stephen Manny is our metrics vengali here at NFL media.

He knows where the bodies are buried, and it makes him very dangerous. So be on the right side of Stephen Manny is all I'm saying. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing all right. You know, I don't know about dangerous, but, you know, every now and then I get to put together a PowerPoint with, like, smiley faces and frowny faces for the pod. And that's about as dangerous as it gets as I could give you a frowny face. Well, you're dangerous for the shadowy league figures because you have to give them the report that's like, hey, this around the NFL podcast does numbers.

They deserve some mullah. Like it's just in the numbers. That's what we're looking for from you, Stephen. I don't know if we want to let it get to your head too much, Greg. But the numbers are the numbers do okay. but there have to be a few shows out there that aren't doing well who are they and can you share that information with us please and if you want to inflate if you want to don't answer that Stephen if you want to inflate certain numbers for the purposes of getting us paid we will maybe give you a little taste in the back end so maybe this is stuff we should be saying offline but yes you know what I'm talking about baby it's a bribe all right um Greg was mentioning that there was some incoming fire from people up there in New England if you could ask Erica when she gets back to see if she could track down that radio slaughterhouse involving Greg Rosenthal. That would be awesome.

I'm not too far away from there. We'll see what we can do. I'm in Rhode Island right now. Oh, okay. Yeah, we can make that happen over there. I know the feeling, Greg, by the way, because that happened to me, and I was actually in the hospital, but, you know, at some point had tweeted that if Josh Gordon went to the Patriots that I would drink bleach, you know, I just tweeted it out on like a Friday night sometime and then.

Totally normal tweet by a person. Sure. Looking back, that was a suspect move. But WEEI pounced on that. I don't think they had an hour-long rollout, but they had fun with it. Somehow, I think this got exaggerated through the Twitter sphere, but they banged down it a little bit. That's good. It's good. Anyway, so yeah, those are a few of the quarterbacks that you can read about there, NFL.com slash Hans-Zuse, if you want to check out the whole list. and boys, anything else before we head on off into the sunset for this episode. Anything to get off here? And I just want to say, because I don't want to get any tweets, oh, Dan's not a believer, you know, he's a megalomaniac American or whatever that thing was.

I do think there is life beyond where we are. I think it would be foolhardy to just assume that we're. the only life form operating at the level we operate. Now, you could get into a situation because I've watched enough Twilight zones. And this is what you've got to watch out for that we're just assuming, is there anyone as smart as us? No, no, you got to worry about the guys with the giant heads and the extra large brains that you actually changes the shape of their head.

The smarter beings that want to come and harvest this planet, that's what you got. I'm totally on board with that being a possibility as well. And when I used the word megalomaniac, I was not aiming that at you. I think that's, that was aimed elsewhere, just so that's clear. Well, no, I think I didn't want to be seen as falling under that banner that you had hung up. You had hoisted up. Well, you're not, I like that you have the connection between like big heads means they're smarter. Because the dinosaurs in there.

Well, the dinosaurs had some big heads. They were idiots. Well, did you ever watch a Twilight Zone episode? Well, you were born age 32. So, but no, like, when the brain is really big in certain science fiction, it actually, it's like, it almost is like a mushroom. And it has to hold the brain that is so giant. And that's when you got to watch out.

I just say, if you had like a massive brain and you could go anywhere, would you come and hang out with, like, people in like Chicago or Texas or Florida? I think you'd have better places to go around the universe. I would just imagine. Well, not right now. Yeah. well you harvest it's about a harvest you clear you you till the land here if you catch my drift right ask these cows that have had like their insides burned out with no evidence of how that happened that are lying in fields hey maybe a cow saw something that we should be aware of but that's okay we can dig into that another time when is the heat and light redux happening what's going on with that you and connor i told you that was a podcast you and connor or did in what year 2018 maybe or 1919 2016, something like that.

2016, but we were reached by someone that basically said cease. So we'd have... You got too hot. Exactly. And I can't, I cannot, literally cannot say anything else. You touched a third rail somewhere. Yeah. That's not untrue.

Not surprising. It was like Easterby six years ago. Just, it's why Marks always had it out for him. That's a fair theory, but that's not, I'm not naming names. And we better. rap before it gets to you know yes uh yeah we will be back uh on monday with another edition of the around the NFL podcast thank you to everyone who listens uh thank you uh to step and many for pinch hitting uh and doing great work as he always does that man knows where the bodies

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