NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Best of the Offseason

Episode Date: July 3, 2017

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler, Colleen Wolfe & Gregg Rosenthal – are actually all on the beach celebrating the 4th of July. Check out some of the best moments so far this offseason including the heroes making amends with QB Derek Carr and the farewell to Producer Sydney.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Making America great again. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. I'm your host, Colleen Wolfe, and I'm joined by a room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. What up? I mean, that money drop put me in a salty... In a weird place.

place leading into our nation's independent celebration. Well, I don't know who chooses those, but I would agree with you. Yeah. Well, I mean, at least this certain show, it's a special one. It's really, I think, going to put everybody in a good place where they are in their lives. It's our best of edition. Woo! Yeah, get excited.

There we go. Well, it's just like, it's a couple segments. You know, we're going to be taking, we're taking a Monday into. Monday and Tuesday, we're off next week. And so we thought maybe for some people who haven't been keeping up with us all offseason long that we would highlight a few of our favorite segments of the off season, including a fun goodbye at the very end to our long, lost, and lovely producer, Sidney Carlson. That's all well and good.

My only concern would be that whenever someone puts out like a best of hits, like a singer, it's a total mail-in job. And secondly, when you were young, It can't hurt, though. But when they'd have, like, best of silver spoons or best of different strokes, it actually had value because you didn't have access to these shows. Sure. It was up to the TV station to decide what episode they give you.

So when they cobble it all together, it was a nice kind of collection of memories. These podcasts are so easily trackable and downloadable that you could easily go find the episode that this came from if you want to. But if you're that lazy, we've put two together for you, and here they come. Well, should we come in and just do a podcast? Well, no, no, I'm not suggesting that, so it's fine. I mean, but people, there's a lot of podcasts episodes that go through this off season if you haven't been listening every time. And it could take, you know, let's be honest, some post-show grades that weren't all a minus.

Right. Well, I don't want to cater to anyone that's not listening to non-completists. I don't cater to them on the show. This might be the last podcast because on the last podcast. That's our producer, Sean Sullivan. Hey, sorry. Hey, guys. Hey, guys.

Last podcast, Greg was going to go round up firearms, fireworks, and beer, and we're going to celebrate it that way. That's true. We may all be in prison as we listen to this. I hope you have bail money somewhere. It's like socked away somewhere because I don't. I was once bailed out of the Orleans Paris prison. You were? By who? By a friend. I was bailed out of the Wildwood, New Jersey.

Oh, we need to hear these stories. By who? That's next on the... My aunt and uncle. That's next on the getting... out of jail podcast, but for now I think we've got some great segments. Yes, let's get to it. Without further ado, our best of. It is time now to bring it back. You're the GM. And this is a game.

We did it for the first time last March. And we figured now with free agency really died down and teams are now maybe starting to look more toward the draft and what pieces where there are still holes as we start to head towards. Before you know it, OTAs in about a month. So is it a month or is it just work out? It's all the same. Whatever. Teams are going to start working out next month. It's crazy how it works. But here we go.

They got to start figuring out who's going to be on their team in 2017. Correct. So the GMs. Brock Osweiler first-string quarterback. They all talk to each other. They all talk to each other. So we're going to pull back the curtain and let you know what it's like.

And Mark, why don't you get us going? You can tell us who you are portraying, what GM, who you are calling, and let us know which one of us will portray that other GM and then we'll let the listeners know what that conversation entailed. All right. I will be playing Brown's executive VP of Operations Sashi Brown.

Listeners should know a year ago at this point, Sashi turned down a deal that would have got gotten him, Matt Ryan. Oh, yeah, and this very... Over some haggling between a first or a third round pick. And in retrospect... Good thing you weren't right in a column about him. In retrospect, Sashi might have just wanted to go get that quarterback back then.

Right. So, Mark, as Sashi turned down Matt Ryan, move down around, now you have a chance to redeem yourself and Sashi in a big spot. I am calling up the Patriots for one very obvious reason. We're not going to let this happen again. so let's dial up the Massachusetts area code and speak to Bill Belichick as played by Dan Hinsis. Okay.

Bill Belichick's office. Please hold. Well, it's just like the ocean under the moon. That's the same as the emotion that I get from you. I'm around and that can be so smooth, yeah. Give me your heart and make it real. Loneless, forget about it.

No, it's Bill. Bill Sashi Brown, right out here in Cleveland. You know, your old stomping grounds. You got to be kidding me. We've done some deals before. Yeah. I got you Barquevius Mingo. Helped bring you a Super Bowl title.

That went very well. Are you being a smart ass? Hold on a second, please. Sashi. Sushi. Sushi. Linda Sashi

Sorry about that, Bill A lot going on here Going ringing all the time Listen, I think it's out there The Browns need a quarterback I think it's the least you could do for us Is to listen to my offer I will listen

This is it I'm listening I got to get on seven rings In a few minutes But you got me for now, Sashi Let's start We're going to go with Sashi please Okay

Okay We're going to start right here I'm going to give you our highest number two pick this year. And on top of it, you know, you've got one of the great line coaches in the NFL, Dante Scarnacchio. I'm going to help bolster your offensive line with a couple of players here. I'm going to read them off. You taking notes?

I'll do what I want. Second round pick plus left tackle Joe Thomas, left guard Joel Betonio, offensive lineman Spencer Durango, Center J.C. Treader, lineman Zach Sterrup lineman Marcus Martin Offensive lineman Austin Ryder Interior offensive lineman Gabe Eichard Guard John Greco

Guard Kevin Zaitler who we just signed X first round center Cam Irvin and tackle Austin Pazzer As a bonus, we'll throw us Sean Coleman bolstering your offensive line you get a second round pick you give us Jimmy G we'll pay for the plane ticket

and the 18 plane tickets that the people I'm sending your way um question hold on a second please sashi sashi sashi we're back what's going on in cleveland you seem a little distracted and maybe that explains that awful trade offer i have one of the best offensive lines in the afcc with skarnacki scarnikia i call him dante uh i don't need more offensive linemen this makes no sense you're you're bad at your job sashi And I, you know, I think you should take what I say to heart because I'm quite respected in these circles

and you're completely overmatched. It feels that way at this point in the conversation. Can we get Jimmy G. away from you for anything? This has to happen. You understand the Browns. What's your starting point? I do understand the Browns. The Browns fired me.

The Browns embarrassed me. And I will never, ever do anything to help them. Ever! It really took a turn for the worst. That did not go well. A terrible, a terrible scenario. It's a bad situation. It's a bad situation.

I thought Austin Pastor would have put it over the top, but no. That's what I was thinking. There's a lot of linemen to deal with there. What would he... To do with that? I kind of, yeah. I wonder if Sashi was on any mind-expanding agents before he made that phone call. It feels possible.

All right, Wes, you're up. I am Titans' GM, John Robinson, and Greg is Seahawks GM, John Snyder. Oh, exciting. Hello! Snides, Robbie here. Put your shirt on for this one. I'm excited. Everything in Seattle's exciting.

Look, word around the campfire here in GM circles is that you, are willing to trade that ne'er-do-well, Richard Sherman, who spends most of his time undermining the coaching staff, threatening to ruin reporters' careers, and yelling at his teammates. If the price is right, I hear he's available. Look, we've got two first-round picks. I'm willing to give you the 18 and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018 for Richard Sherman. We need a shutdown corner here in Tennessee.

Why are you trying to downplay our guy as you're trying to trade for him? Why are you trying to trade for him if you think he's a pain in the market? He's a pain in your ass right now. What are the conditions? You just say conditional fourth round pick. I want to know these conditions. If we go to the playoffs, it moves up to a third. Oh, that's interesting.

There's just like a piece. a gallery on the line. Nice, nice move. I like it. I'm going to need more for that because I got to tell you, Richard Sherman's still a great cornerback. He's a big personality. That's kind of how we roll.

I got to admit I get a little bored around here sometimes. I kind of like seeing Pete go after these players, big personalities. Like, that's what we do. We're a zoo. The number 18 pick for a top 10 pick, top 20 pick in the draft? No. Top 10 cornerback? I'm going to upgrade the conditional to a conditional third renter that can go to a second if we make the playoffs.

And look, you might think we're a cute little operation down here in Nashville. We're a team on the rise. You better respect us. We're going to the playoffs. Is this a threat, John Rob? From one, John, to another. I've been in this business for a while. You just kind of came in as a GM.

You see those pictures of me in the locker room with the shirt off? You only do that when you win titles. I'm keeping Richard Sherman. Forget this. Wow. I thought that had a chance that happened. It's the last time I called Greg in a fake conversation. Greg, surprisingly hard to negotiate with on a trade.

Richard Sherman, worth a little more than that. What was the trade again? I got a little caught up in the first. A first round number 18 overall pick and a third rounder that can get up to a second round. I would have taken the number. What a 28? 29 year old corner making 11 million a year it's a good deal honestly you don't think that's a tasty deal though I feel like you guys could have hammered out I would have taken that deal

this told me to respect him it was kind of similar to what happened last year uh when I listened to this podcast again feelings got in the way he told me respect them I was I was kind of leaning towards taking it and then thought who's this John Robinson guy you know he only gets hired because, you know, ownership can't find anyone better. That was based on Michael Lombardi said on the ringer this week that the Seahawks are willing to trade Richard Sherman. Interesting. All right.

Next up, Wes, this is something you've always wanted to do. He's going to come back into the picture now. You'll be playing Bill Belichick, and you are getting a phone call from none other than Big Mac. It's not even going to answer. Pillow chick here. Bill, I got you. Yeah, I'm here.

It's Big Mac. The Mac man, Mike McCagman. Who are you? Who are you? I'm another general manager in your division. I'm employed by the New York Jets, your former team. I mean, I was with them for five minutes, literally. Wait a second.

Bill, do you really forget that you were the defensive coordinator in 1998? 1997 through 1999? Come back to us, Bill. Off to a good start. Never come back to you. Literally, please, come back to it. All right, Big Mac here. You know who this is.

You know who this is, b***. All right, here we go, and I'm being dead series. I know, I know, I know you would never trade Jimmy G. to a well I was going to say rival but you don't view the Jets as a rival let's be honest for 20 years

you've been getting the upper hand on the Jets and I know that right now one of the problems and I think one of the reasons why you have not traded Jimmy G

to that bum Sashi first of all he's a total authorio cannot focus on anything I heard about the phone call you got where he offered an entire offensive line while he was in the middle

of a coitus session that was weird The whole league's talking about it So you don't want to do business with that guy And I get that So let me I'll never talk to Sasha again After that bizarre phone call

I mean Cleveland's never been In a worse spot than they are right now See we're like bros We can rap Big Mac here Big Mac and the Big B Anyway I only rap on Snapface

All right So Bill And you're going to think this is a joke But think about your long-term future With the team You know Tommy Boy has got another five years. And I want Jimmy G. I want him.

I want to swoop in. No one thinks that you would trade him. What's the thing that the Patriots do? They do things people don't expect. Trade me Jimmy G. And this is what I'll give you. And don't snickered. Take this seriously.

You could choose literally any player currently on my roster. That's not sweet. That's the starting point. I've seen your roster. You can. Sexy. Don't laugh at me. Yeah, let me try to pry away Matt Forte from you.

Um, listen, I'm talking, you know, you can get Mo Wilkins, Moe Wilkinson motivated Leonard Williams. Hello. You know you can do damage of Leonard Williams. Darren Lee is a great young linebacker. I got some skill. I got some skill on this, on this team. Anyway, so that's just the starting point. Any player, let's make him Leonard Williams.

All right. Lenny Williams. Hmm. The first round pick, 2017, 2018, and a conventional third round pick in 2019, that becomes a first round pick if the Jets reach the conference title game in the next two years. And you send me your backup quarterback that you don't even plan to play for the next three to five years. First of all, your instincts are correct.

I don't see you as a rival. I never have. That hurts my feelings, but go on. But here's the deal. If I trade Jimmy Garoppolo to you, we view him as a future superstar. That's when I'll start viewing you as a rival. And I have traded Drew Bledsoe with him in my division Because I knew he was washed up

Look, we had him here He's a fine guy, makes a great wine But he was done And I knew it, I wasn't afraid of him I am afraid if Jimmy goes there The Jets Tom Brady could go down And all of a sudden the balance of power

Shifts in that division to the team That does have a quarterback It is a It is the most tempting offer I've gotten certainly more tempting than the one For 17 offensive linemen It is a very fair offer And I have much more respect for you

As a man and general manager I will no longer act like you're not Even in my division anymore But I can't take the deal I can't prop up the Jets as a franchise With an actual quarterback Bill And all that I appreciate

But I have to tell you If I don't get a quarterback I'm going to get fired I need this Get Big Mac some French fries Get Big Mac a shake You reek of desperation. Big Mac, his special sauce.

Give him my Jimmy G. Hang up. All right. Oh, listen. Bell check, tough negotiator. I thought he might take that. That was a good deal. No, we're trying to win Super Bowls,

not collect first round picks. Okay. Next up, Greg. All right. I'm going to be Tom Coughlin, Jacksonville Jaguars. The GM's not. He's not even making the call out of Jacksonville.

Oh, that guy. He's basically Howie Roseman in 2014. And I'm going to call old Steve Kimey. Steve Kime, played by Mark. Kime bomb? Okay. Kym machine here. Kymie.

I'm back. Who's this? This is Tom Coughlin. Your old Bell. Oh, my God. We're just a couple of football guys. I'm back in the league. Why are you making the calls out of your organization?

What sort of chaos is unraveling on your team? Give me a break. I'll tell you why. After I start here. I got old Caldwell. You know, go look at some rookie quarterbacks, buddy. I'll be sure to read the report you right up. Special projects.

Caldwell. These guys are crazy over here. I came down here. These guys think Blake Bortles is it? Blake Bordell is nice quarterback. We got to win this game. They think they've won some Super Bowls around here. They haven't won more than five games since 2011.

You know how hard that is to do in the NFL? That's how it was when I got here before I turned everything around. Tom Coughlin. Tom Coughlin doesn't mess around with 5 and 11. And so I've got a deal for you. I think you're going to want to listen to this. Time after time. Unroll it.

Carson Palmer's at the end of the line. Maybe he's thinking about retiring. That's your opinion. He was thinking about retiring. That's what people said about you. He was thinking. thinking about retiring. Larry Fitzgerald was thinking about retiring. You're in a pickle. I just was watching the old NFL network. One of the best guys out there, Chris Wessling, says your

window is closed, Kimey. You've got a rough off season. This Jermaine Gresham contract, it's time to reload. You got some nice young talent. Give away, trade away. A couple guys at the end of the line. Carson Palmer and Larry Fitzgerald, short-term solutions. Here's what I'll do for you. I'll send you back, Blake Bortles. Just so you have some. someone. I know, I know Bruce, he's great with the big-armed young quarterbacks. I'll send you Blake Bordels. I'll send you Alan Hearns, nice young, wide receiver. He's a guy who's going to be around for a little while. And I'll give you a second round pick in this year's draft too. You're trading me two guys who aren't even going to be in the NFL.

I can't stand this whole five-win nonsense with Blake Bortles this year. There's no chance we're going to win games. help me out right now. I'm getting old. I can't wait around. You are old. Okay. You wreak of desperation. Um, Kymachine don't play that. I don't know who this Chris guy is from a football website either. Are you coming out with a very bizarre argument? Damn. You're going to tell me that you're essentially trading me, Alan Hearns, and a non-functional quarterback for a Hall of Fame receiver. And you don't, you don't listen very well to what Bruce Ariens said a few years ago that Carson Palmer can play deep into his 30s, maybe even longer.

You guys think he's done after this season. Nice try, buddy. You've got to sweeten the pot. You're going to give me your biggest problem. That's the trade you're coming up with Blake Bortles. Then what do I do? How do I sell that to the people in Arizona? I think your medications, you know,

they're kind of colliding. You're going a little soupy over there. This guy, Palmer, you didn't even know if he was going to play anymore in the middle of January. You've got to start thinking about the future. All right, I'll tell you what I'll change. I got two more minutes with me. I'll change it up.

Change up your Allen's. I'll give you Alan Robinson. I'll bump up that draft pick up to a first round pick. You're leaving me with no quarterback. You're giving me a first round draft pick? Giving you a first round pick. You guys got a lot of young talent there. You're not winning with this Palmer Fitzgerald thing.

I got to win. This guy shot Connie wants the move the team to London. Where are you picking this year in the draft? What number are you at? I'm up high. You should probably know offhand, but if you don't, that leaves me only more concerned. I'm in the top five, baby. You're giving me this year's first round pick.

You're giving me Alan Robinson and Blake Bortles. For these two players, deal done, baby. Wow. Wow, we got a deal. Wow. All right. Am I crazy to take that deal? Winnie's sweetened the pot with the first round.

This year's first round are Jacksonville picks where. I think you just had the kind of your life in a big spot. I think he's offwood just got fired took advantage of old Tommy boy if you believe if you believe internally if you're Arizona you say I think we maxed out with this roster getting rid of Fitz and Carson

who aren't going to be there next year and now you just you know Bortles it's a project obviously Robinson's a number one wide receiver potentially and you got a first round pick and you trust your draft process

I had a shaky draft last year if I don't oh it was it was shaky but you got David Johnson a third round the year before. Like what I did there. The second round. Time drives a hard bargain. Wow.

Kime did a nice job. Tom is desperate. You know who should get Steve Kime? The Browns to trade all those draft assets to get Steve Kime. Well, you know, as someone who supports Sashi Brown, I don't feel I did him any favors with this segment. But maybe he'll return. I have a quick one before we go around. Greg, you're going to play Chris Greer of the Dolphins.

Okay. And I will be Chris Ballard of the Cults. Hello? I'm Chris Greer? Who's Chris Geer? Hi, I'm Chris Ballard. Do you want to come over? Uh, hey, Mikey T.

Mikey T. Can I go over to Chris, Chris, ballard's house oh yeah he says i don't really do that much around here i can come over i got a cotton candy machine i love cotton candy what's your favorite type of frog what cults are in fine fine hands something about the ballard man i don't know i can't put my finger on it. All right, one more time around the horn now. All right.

Mark, you're up. I am Saints something or other, Mickey Loomis. Dialing up. Ted Thompson is played by Christopher Wesley. All right. Thompson. here. Weird. Three rings, guys.

Mickey Loomis from down in New Orleans. How are your pelicans? I got a lot in my mind. I got a lot going on. I'm trying to juggle two teams here. Have you won a game since you traded for Boogie Cousins? I don't know our record. I've got to make a deal. There's a lot of pressure on me. Sean Peyton is trying to get Malcolm Butler.

He's going to oversell for that. He told me we've got to get this defense, which has been historically awful. I haven't thought about the Saints defense. since, I'm not kidding you, 2010. I have not thought about them once. Seeing your defense and it reflects your thinking. I got too much going on in the mind. New Orleans is a crazy town to try to have a full-time job.

And I think you can understand where I'm coming from, Ted. I got to do a deal. Will you listen at least? I'm here for you. I know you don't like off-season maneuvering, but this could be good for you too. They're calling you inactive that you just go to sleep in March. Here we go.

I'm going to give you running back, Mark, You need a running back. You just lost Eddie Lacey. I'm going to give you New Orleans Pelicans point guard, Drew Holliday, and power forward to Anthony Davis. Four, in return, Clay Matthews, Packers Game Day Broadcaster, Wayne Laravie. We have a hole there, and the guy knows basketball, too. And offensive perimeter coach David Ray, I need that guy, too.

What do you say? They have light. Teddy, you there. I got to make this happen. Wes actually writing these down. Yeah, I got a, the Ray guy, come on. Well, I don't, I'm not very active in March usually, so I do have to write this kind of stuff down. You know what?

It's a deal. It's a deal. People don't know this about me? I am a huge NBA fan. I'm a big bucks fan, and if I compare the Greek freak with Anthony Davis and Drew Holiday, we got a team here in Wisconsin. It's a deal. Clay Matthews. Thank you.

Look, have fun with him. He hasn't made a play in two years. Thank you. I'm not going to watch a Saints game all season, but they're going to love this Clay Matthews business. I'll go tell Coach Sean Payton, you sure it's a deal. We're good.

We're good. I have always had a soft spot for the Milwaukee Bucks all the way back to the Dandridge days, Jack Sigma, Paul McCaskey. Let's do it. My day is done. Thank you, buddy. Anthony Davis, now a member of Milwaukee Bucks. I think the next phone calls from Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner.

That's fair. All right. Wow, I can't believe that one. I know, Thompson, with able to help out the buck bucks. Everyone wins. All right. Mark, you will be portraying Texans general manager Rick Smith. Mm-hmm.

And, ooh, sassy. And you will be getting a phone call. from Bronco's general manager, John Elway. Texans general manager Rick Smith on the line. Rick, it's John Elway. Your worst nightmare. Yeah, I mean, this is not the call I was hoping for. What's on your mind?

I mean, I got one thing to say to you. I'm not here to make a trade If you know what's good for you You'll stay away from Romo Let me tell you something He's damaged goods He's barely played in two years He stinks, you know that

He likes golf too much Jessica Simpson? Can you say distraction? He's holding a fantasy football This summer Gambling much? You don't want that guy Have you looked at our quarterback roster?

You know all about Brock Oswald, the guy we lost. We have someone named Tom Savage who could be our starter if we don't have to go after Romo. You got to be kidding me. We are going to go hard after Romo. Steal the Texas spotlight away from the Cowboys. You pulled this move with Peyton Manning a couple years ago and won a Super Bowl. Why don't we want to just do the same thing down here in Houston? I've been through eight quarterbacks.

I'm running out of time here. What happened to your accent? Great question. I'm a man of many personalities. Please hold. Hold. For better or worse, to death

to was fine. All right, I'm back. I got to go. But let me just tell you something. I got some Papa John's deals to finish up. This is not a threat. But stay away. And last comment.

I'm recording this phone call. Last thing I got to say, when it comes to Tony Romo, this one's for John. It's a competitor, that guy. Total bully. I think we know what the Texans are going to do. You know, look into the Jettler business.

Interesting. All right. Gratning. Greg, finish us off. I've got. Oh, Wes. I'm only doing one. Oh, I'm sorry, Wes.

Go ahead. I am Ram's general manager, Les Sneed. And Mark is Titans' general manager, John Robinson. Mm, back on the line. Johnny Rob here. Johnny Rob, this is Les Sneed. Very smuggish. Lester, how you doing?

I'm doing great. Look, I heard everybody's talking about how poorly John Schneider treated you when you made a fair offer for a cornerback. I thought it was very fair. I've got Tramane Johnson here. I will give you Truman. Come on, Cowboys. I will give you true.

Jermaine Johnson for a bottle of hairspray. Hold on here. So I got to absorb basically his franchise tag. Is this guy willing to play a ball? I'm giving you a lockdown cornerback. I need to know what happens after this season. We'd have to make sure that we get him on a full deal before we do this. I mean, I'll ask you for a can of hairspray.

Why would you want that? You don't like this player. He doesn't fit in your system. Is that what you're telling me? Look, something stinks here. To be honest with you, my franchise is the only one in the NFL that believes Trimane Johnson is worth $16 million a year.

I just want to get my hair right. It's a compelling deal from a value standpoint. Sure, let's do it. All right. I would have asked him to take some of the money back, maybe. It seemed kind of like a no-belling. brainer, I mean a hairspray. Cash to burn down in Tennessee.

It's cheap. One of your deal. All right. Finally, Greg. So this is finally? Okay. I had a couple. All right.

Let's, uh, I'll be, uh, I'll be Bill's general manager, Doug Whaley. And I'm calling, um, Reggie McKenzie, Oakland Raiders, general manager played by Dan. Okay. Who's this? Who are they going to call? You're the Raiders. Okay. Got Sugar bear.

The sugar bear. The sugar bear. Sugar Bear in the house, please hold. Nothing bad used to lie. There's what's going on. I said nothing's bad in time. Sugar Bear headquarters. Who's speaking?

Oh, Sugar Bear. It's Doug Whaley. Doug, my old friend from Western New York. Actually, hold on a second. Fifty-nine miles of Jacksonville, driving together, between the lines, you and me. Oh, 99 miles. All right, I'm back. I understand.

We're both busy men. I was just checking out Roadworld again to check out this new story. Are you okay? It's got me bothered. Are you okay? I promise you. I saw a report E.J. Manuel, that you're thinking of a sign in E. J. Manuel.

Sugar Bear likes him. Reports are out there, but it's not done you, right? No, not done, but Sugar Bear likes him. Sugar Bear thinks he's a good insurance policy. Please don't do it to me. Please don't do it to me. I love this guy, E.J. Manuel. You know, the coaching staff here, they don't seem to lack him ownership.

No one likes him, but this guy, I believe him, just don't do it. Doug. Just don't do it. Hold on a second. Oh. Hold on a second. Okay. driving together between the lines.

You have some good music. Oh, nine, nine, and five. All right, but just please don't do it. I'm not going to, I'll just, I'll get you back. I know that's not how it's normally done in the NFL, but I'll get, I'll get you back. I love this guy, E.J. Manuel. I think if no one signs him until the draft,

I can maybe get him back on my roster. Please. What is Bill Simmons on the phone? Doug. Sugar Bears had a loss for words. right now. Sugar Bear looks at E.J. Manuel is a sunken cost for

the team out of Western New York. Sugar Bear sees the team out of Western New York is being a problematic situation with E.J. Manuel. Why would you want him back? I'm going to take him. Johnny Cochran talking to Bill Simmons. I love this guy. This is what

Sean said you were going to say when I called you too. Do you want me to get out of the E.J. manual business? Is that what you're asking? Just leave him alone. Just leave him alone. This is my guy. Doug, Sugar Bear. I'll get you back, I promise.

I don't know what that means, but Sugar Bear has a heart, and I know you seem to be going through some things. Sugar Bear out. No E.J. to Oakland. So bizarre. Wow. I need to figure out what song that was you were playing, Greg. I need to add that to the collection.

All right. Natalie and Brulia sound a little sick. She's been through some stuff in the last 20 years since we last heard from her. There you go. So now you understand what is going on behind the scenes. Oh, yeah, crystal clear. In the NFL. It's very clear.

All right. So anybody that listens to this podcast knows the drama that has unfolded, at least in my life. Greg has distanced himself a little bit from it. But a quick refresher, Derek Carr, quarterback of the Oakland Raiders, and brother of David Carr, we, myself, Dan, and Greg, were stunned to learn that we were blocked by Derek. Stunned. And we didn't know why. And we're like big supporter of the Raiders this season, love Derek as a player. And from that point, it was starting to eat me up inside.

Yeah, it's understandable. So we had just came over and asked me. about it. We did this. It was intimidated. You know, a big network star. So Lindsay, who, Lindsay Rhodes, who is an occasional co-host guest on our podcast here, came in a few weeks back, and we said, hey, you know you're tight with David over on the studio side.

Can you put in a word for us to see if maybe David would come on and maybe Derek can come on and we can work this out? Let's talk it out. And then I got this voicemail from Lindsay a day later. Dan, it's Lindsay. I just wanted to let you know that I've. done my part to help repair the damage that you and Greg have done to your yet to exist relationship with Derek Carr. I spoke to his brother yesterday. I told him that the two of you were prepared to grovel and he seemed interested in that. He seemed open to intervening on your

behalf as well. So I've given him your name. He might pass them along to Derek if he can remember them. So if you notice that you are miraculously unblocked in the next few days, then A, you're welcome and be David failed because I told him to do nothing until he could come on the pod hear out your argument make you grovel a little bit and then involve Derek live on the podcast because I'm all about promoting your content so you're welcome you guys have a good champion there yeah we do we love Lindsay that was that was a good good fine by you guys fitting that our champion throws in four or five pot shots yeah she took shots at you barbs she must thank you that's good Perfect.

So here we go. We want to figure out what we did wrong. And if you could serve as the go-between. Sure, yeah. I'd like to help. I mean, I'd love to help. You guys seem like great guys. You have a great relationship with your brother.

I mean, it's obviously come up in conversation at the dinner table often. When you guys are just hanging out. We often talk about blocking people. Yes, it happens a lot. And it certainly appears like you and Derek have a great relationship. For the most part, we get along pretty good. Very good. So maybe you can help us here.

I would like to help you. I think that having no understanding of what you guys actually put out there. I feel like I'm a little bit in the dark, but that's fine. I'll do this just out of good faith that you won't say something stupid or inappropriate about the Oakland Raiders or my brother. Or probably about his children, which maybe that's what you did. Oh, no. I'm just kidding. You would never do something.

You would never say that. No, I'm just kidding. Wow. Yeah, I think he'd be fine with it. Greg might do something like that. I would never do. I know. I know you wouldn't, Dan.

All right. So why don't we do, why don't we now, geez, let's bring him on. Derek Carr of the Oakland Raiders, are you there, Derek? I'm here. I am here. Oh, my goodness. Ask what you shall receive, Dan. There is.

Derek are. You guys reached out to the right guy, because if anybody but my brother came to me, would have just remained a big red X. Hey, Derek, I mean, I know you probably want to ask him, but I'm kind of curious, too. Like, what do you think they said, dude? I'm always, you know, I pretty much know if I'm going to block someone. It's like whack-a-mole. You know, you go to Chuckie Cheese.

It's kind of pop their heads up. You're like, bong, and you bob it back down. But you know what they said? Do you have any idea? No. I think you probably had good reason. No, I'm sure he did. I definitely didn't do it for no reason.

Yeah, no, it happened. They were probably tagged in the conversation or something. Exactly. You probably got tagged and thrown into something that you just, you know, caught a right hook in between, you know? The hook wasn't meant for you. Yeah. Yeah, I'm of two minds here because, you know, I don't want to, I don't feel like I should grovel like, like Lindsay said. I feel like on some level I've blocked a lot of people.

You should just kind of take your block like a man move on. You know, I don't know why I blocked. I did have a theory, though, that I'll throw by you, see if this makes any sense. I was at the Raiders playoff game. Humble brag. Which, you know, covering the game, which you were not at, I believe you were watching it from home. And I thought maybe, because the Raiders were. are struggling on that day.

The quarterbacks were certainly struggling. Maybe I was being pretty hard on their team. I was wondering why Matt McGloin was not getting put in a lot of stuff. I was being hard on the team that day. Maybe that tweet comes across your path that day. You're like, forget this clown going after my team during a playoff loss. Possible. It's very possible.

That is the case because those are my brothers. But again, we still have no like real. proof of why I did it. It's going to be hard. It's going to be something that just looms for a while over their heads. I was hoping to find out why. Yeah. You know, I was kind of, I think that was the thing I was most excited about.

And to restore your hope in humanity that, you know, it was just an accident. Well, I would think I would be confident enough and I don't have the money, but you're, you're an NFL quarterback. So maybe you could put the bill on this, some type of internet, like, forensics type person that could dig through all of the data and maybe you could find it and then get back to us with a reason what we did wrong he's got the time he's clearly got the time yeah i'm definitely not going to do that um but i will i will say this like yeah because it was i don't i'm not sure why i got blocked either but i did i will make the statement a couple things i am not

i'm far from a perfect man in fact i came very close when i learned after supporting the raiders in fact we do a little exercise on this podcast called the team of around the NFL and I nominated the Raiders in August and pounded the table for them all year so I was stunned and a little bit angry and hurt. So what I did, I came very close to doing something that I only

do when I'm really angry at people, which is declare vengeance against you, Derek Carr, but then you kept on, and this kind of annoyed me, you kept on committing random acts of civic greatness. these like special moments where you were showing up on the side of the road like a celestial being

and I had to I kept on having to suspend any vengeance so that actually maybe saved us here because I didn't act stupidly and I showed a little restraint and that's maybe kept the door open for reconciliation absolutely and with me the door is always open you know the door is always open to fix things. We had a certain individual on another network that we will not give them any props for and say something completely idiotic. And I let him know. But to his credit, he came back and said, hey, it wasn't me that did that. It was something else. And so I just said, hey, no worries. God bless you. Have a great one. And it doesn't mean that I'm going to go out of my way for him. But the door is always open. But for you guys, it was an accident. You got thrown into something

that wasn't yours. But I do whack-a-mole people, like David said, all the... Well, I know Wes and I over here, we weren't blocked. I'm personally feeling a little left out. Wish you had blocked me. If you can say something crazy. I mean, you know, I might have to get into the mix. I wanted to be part of the drama.

And you apparently think highly of the two of us. So, you know, we'll sit with that. That's okay. I've never been blocked on this side of the table. No, we're doing well. I identify with Derek because I use the whack-a-mole. And I often don't know why I block people when they come back months later. I always figure, hey, you tell me why I blocked you,

and then we'll talk about unblocking. That's a good point. That's exactly right. I agree with that. All right, how about this? We propose this. And Derek, you seem relieved that you and Dan are doing better, though. Yeah, you know, talk about it.

Weight off the shoulders. How about it? I propose this. It's been heavy on my heart. Yeah, I'm sure. I'll propose this. What if we just hit the reset button in terms of the Twitter situation? That's, that I'll propose.

that and and and and and and and and and and myself we you know we go into this open eyes on both sides start over uh in terms of our relationship not promising anything not promising that you'll you know be better yeah but i think derrick should drive a hard bargain here and yeah what make you promise that the raiders will be team of at l this year there are terms there now i feel like derrick should offer some terms back right i mean i mean that that's that's fine me and everything We can definitely hit the reset button, but you have to mention something nice about the Raiders every time you get on the podcast.

Every time. We do three shows a week. We've done over 550 shows. A lot of shows. That is 550 plus. Raiders plugs. I like it. Opportunities for greatest.

The man drives a hard bargain. Even if it's a bad day, you've got to pat someone on the back and say something nice just to spread love in the world. I think we can do that. I would accept those terms. And that is my main motive. Okay.

It wouldn't compromise the show on any level, so it checks out. Can I counter with one a week, one a week? Gosh, I mean, I think that every, I think that I think if you just start saying like, hey, it's our podcast, Raiders are cool. I mean, I think that that just goes. So it's like they're replacing our sponsor. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess, but I mean, it's not even they have to say the Raiders. You can just say something nice about one of my teammates that get to. It doesn't even have to be on the field stuff.

It could be like, hey, guess what? Random news, Khalil Mack saved a kitten today. Absolutely. So we could just make things up. Yeah, completely. I prefer the truth. So a truthful, you want me to, I get it. I get your vibe, Derek.

You want me to put positive things out into the world. And if it's about the Raiders, even better. And if it's true, even better than that. Yeah, just three times a week, it has to be about the Raiders. Okay. All right. And who's good, I can agree to this. and then maybe hope there's not the tracking methods.

You know, what if I mess up? Who's going to be tracking? Well, I'm going to start to follow the podcast, so, Derek, I can help you. You will know. I can help you. I suspect Rader Nation will be on top of this. They will. Make sure they're like, no, you haven't said anything about Rodney Hudson lately.

What's up with Hudson? That's right. All right. You can say whatever you want, but it just something, it takes two seconds just to spread love about, you know, some of my friends. I agree to the terms. I agree to the terms. All right, then you can consider yourself, Dan, unblocked. I just did it.

Oh, wow. Feel better? I feel so good. What about Greg, though? Yeah, well, I got to type of name. Yeah. This is the long. There's a lot more letters.

G-R-E-G-G-R-E-G-R-N-T-E-G-R-E-G-G-R-S-E-E-N-E-E-G. This is... I got butterflies right now. You got spell this one. Spell it for me. G-R-E-G-G-G-R-S-E-E-E-E-N-T. It's got a blue checkmark. At what grade level did you learn how to spell your name?

It gets a long one. Did you ever mess it up and only put one G or did you know early on? I knew because I had to explain that just that closed down the name, no Gregory. Stop calling me Gregory, Mrs. McFadden. Enough. Stairns, mom? Arbor some ill will to work. All right, Derek is tight-day-day- Thank you, Derek.

Greg, it's done. Wow. We've done it. We've broken down the walls and we've start, a fresh start. I feel good. before you guys. Yeah. Oh,

go ahead. Spread love. That's all it's about, man. Okay. Derek, I thank you and David. I can't say enough about you. Well, you know, I mean, it's just Lindsay started it. She came to me and, you know,

if she vouches for somebody, I'm in. And then all I had to do is make a call my brother. That's easy. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I was a little uncomfortable with the intro for David. Very fair. As we all were.

Imagine being in the room. Yeah. But I would say that if you compliment David, that that would count as one of the three a week. Okay. Oh, we can get that. A reader through blood. Good.

We're doing good here. Okay. But let's just draw the line and, you know, let's not get too crazy with that one. Well, with the handsome stuff with. Okay. I'll cut back on the handsome stuff. That's sort of Dan's bet. You guys are awesome, man.

I appreciate it. All right. Thanks, Derek. Thank you very much. See, buddy. Thank you, guys. All right, David, you did it. Wow.

We will never forget this and we owe you a big one. Well, you know, it's a thing that, you know, I come here and I, and I do some shows and You guys are on the same campus, and I can't have, it's like when you have friends that are fighting. Sure. You can't have that. So I was always that kid. I was like, you know what, guys, let's just go over here and sit on the bench and talk about it. We'll figure it out.

It's a quarterback in you. Yeah, I think that's what it is. Your great clubhouse guy. Yeah, so that's what we try to do here. It's next stop, the United Nations for you. Mission accomplished. You need a mission accomplished banner. All right.

All right. You check out Derek Carr, first of all, you can check out, well, you can check out Derek Carr on Twitter at Derek Car, QV. David Carr on Twitter I think it's David Car 8 Maybe or D-Car 8 I don't say There is an 8 Don't do it

Don't do his Twitter account wrong already Daniel 8 seconds You know fresh on his radar Is at D-Car 2R is 8 For David Carr And David also

Is on an NFL total axis I think it puts you on other stuff too They got you all over there They do I do a couple of the things But it's fun And a good man And a fair man And we thank you

We'd love to have you again On the actual football Yeah I'll talk about actual football All right time There we go. The Carr brothers. How exciting. What a moment.

Wow. How do you feel? David exits the studio and I feel reborn. I do. I do. I granted, like I said, it meant more to me than Greg, but I think Greg feels a little bit, a little different today as well. I didn't know there was a weight on my shoulders, but now it's off. And I don't even know how I'm going to focus on being able to do work the rest of the day after that.

Have you learned a little more about the power? of forgiveness versus vengeance you know a good point spreading love it's not to be said putting that positive energy out into the world and i think we saw the difference between two quarterbacks in the four of us now it's time now it's time to say goodbye and uh i hope you have boys to men queued up. Well, we do have something like that. We do have something queued up. If you could, Sydney, this is your last day.

I just want to end it a little tune. It's been seven hours in 15 days. It's pretty good. Since you took your love away. Are you doing a duet right now? Shut up, cut gossip. I go out every night. I have the same line again, I think, here.

Since you took your love away. Ah. That you've been gone. I can do whatever I want. I can see whoever I choose. What swing you there? Yeah. I like it.

Mm-hmm. I can eat my. dinner in a fancy restaurant. But nothing. I said nothing can take away these blues. Yeah. Nothing compares. Nothing compares to you.

This was all worth it. There you go, Sid. Yeah, that was for you. We could keep that playing underneath. It's time to say goodbye. We got through that, though. I think pretty good. Well, sometimes you just think, you know,

were all the weeks and months of practice and rehearsals worth it? And then it all comes together. It was like. Take a bow. Easter Sunday. It was like, wait, you're going to spend time with the family. He's like, no, Colleen and I have to rehearse. Like, I don't even like to sing happy birthday.

And you make me sing on the pod almost every week. Yeah, that's true. Sid, we're so sad to see you go, but very excited for everything that comes next. You are a four-person Mount Rushmore, and you will be missed. You will. You really are the best producer that we've had. We'll miss you. We'll keep in touch with you, of course.

But I'm glad we have this time, and I'm glad you're going on to better things. We love you, Sid, and any time you ever want to go to Disney, I'm here for you. That's the best offer I've ever heard. Yeah. I will be lost without you. You'll never get away from me, Sid. Oh, my God. Ever.

Oh, it's just getting emotional. And then... Cini, thank you so much. Yeah, thanks, guys. Yeah, I don't want to say too much because I'm going to get choked up. It's fine. I'm going to miss you guys.

You did it. You made me cry. There it is. A little ding would be... Miss you too. Yeah, it's the end of an era. And Derek R. by the way, is an excellent quarterback.

Yeah, the Raiders are going to go far this year. They should absolutely mention that. They are a great team. All right, Sid, we love you. We really do. And we're very happy for you. And next time I see you, I expect you to be married to a blonde-haired man and have two kids. She's going to come back as our boss.

Yeah, we'll come back with the family. You could stay with my family in Culver City and then go to Disneyland all weekend. Perfect. All right. Love that plan. All right. That's it. It's the end of the round of the NFL podcast.

In the end of an era, let's face it. We will move forward, but we will not forget our great producer. That's it for the Thursday edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We'll be back on Tuesday. So enjoy your Memorial Day weekend, everybody here in the States and overseas. Just enjoy your weekend. Have a good time. Treat yourself.

Go to the beach in Ireland. Yeah. Like one of our listeners. I love it. This is Dan Hansa signing off for. God. Thanks, buddy. This was great.

Yeah. Connie Fox, the old boss, and there she is one last time. Nothing compares to you. New money behind the glass. See you, girl. This is an I-heart podcast.