NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bills-Jets MNF Recap and Hutchinson Injury Update

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Nick Shook to break down the Bills and Jets facing off on Monday Night Football. The guys start with Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers' play, followed by a discussion about the new look to the Jets' coaching assignments (11:22), and the state of the AFC East (16:22). After the break, you'll get caught up on news from around the NFL including injury updates for Aidan Hutchinson, Jonathan Allen, and Anthony Richardson (21:59), Nick Sirianni's apology to Philly fans (26:00), and Gregg and Nick's players of the week (33:36). Note: time codes approximateNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Looking for Mike Williams. And it's interesting. Intercepted. Terran Johnson! Welcome back, a humongous interception by the Nickel Corner. Welcome back to Terran Johnson. Welcome back to Toreau Bernard. Welcome back to me.

I'm back stateside. The Buffalo Bills are back in first place in the AFC East. That was Chris Brown, of course, on the Bills Radio Network. Bills get a win 23 to 20 on another entertainment. primetime game, Aaron Rogers, Nick Shook has a chance for the third straight week to go win a game on a drive down just a few points in the final minutes. And for the third straight week, he comes up short. Second straight week, it's an interception on a pass intended for Mike Williams.

Thank you, Nick, by the way, for keeping the home front warm and getting that Sunday night recap done just a night ago and here you are writing off a good game tonight. Yeah, and I'll probably sleep better than Aaron Rogers will right now because the band is clearly frustrated, despite the fact that the change to Todd Downing, his play caller did produce better results offensively. It ultimately ends up with the same final result, which is a loss and a loss in which he, like you said, targeted Mike Williams and got picked off to end their hopes and dreams. I mean, it's got to be a tough time for the Jets right now, but a big win for the bills, not because it was pretty, Because we're not going to lie here and say it was pretty for anybody.

Statistically, it was pretty, visually not so much because of all the penalties, but a huge win for them after losing two straight to get back on the right side of things. Yeah, the penalties were crazy. It finishes with, I believe, 11 penalties for both teams, the most penalty yards combined in any game this season. And it could have been even much higher because there were multiple plays in the second half where there were offsetting penalties, where there was a long PI that got called back

because there was, you know, an offensive line holding penalty and then just like matching holding. So the second half, you're right, was ugly. The first half wasn't. I mean, the Bill's offense played fantastic, but talking about that ending, I thought both quarterbacks played quite well in this game. Josh Allen, very efficient,

making plays outside the pocket. Aaron Rogers, I thought probably had his best game as a Jets quarterback. And considering he's thrown one touchdown and eight interceptions on the season, like I actually think he's played reasonably well, but he's come up short in these big spots. And it does make you think about the differences between two quarterbacks. Like at one point, Aaron Rogers was in the top five quarterbacks, right?

And it's because he had so many different ways he could beat you. And you think about the ways this game ended with them being able to blitz and get to him before that play and a couple times late, whereas Josh Allen, after that, interception on third and five fakes a pitch to the right, runs to the left, and finishes the game like one of the best running quarterbacks of all time, which he is. So he can beat you in so many different ways. And to me, it was a small difference in this game, but there was a difference in quarterbacks in this game. Yeah, a small difference, but a massive difference

when it came down to winning football. I mean, it's that simple. It's Josh Allen being able to extend plays. You know, throwing a pass on the run to Ray Davis for a pickup of 42 and a down, they absolutely needed. It was the fastest speed by a ball carrier on a pass completed of that distance in the next gen stats era, I believe. I mean, that's what Josh Allen is capable of doing. And it's not that Aaron Rogers played poorly because he didn't. You know, he's

getting the ball out quickly. He's making the proper reads and everything else. I feel bad for him because for a stretch there, Tyron Smith was serving him up on a platter to AJ Epinessa for sacks and crushing hits, even ones that drew penalties still, you know, they pile up on a guy like him. But yeah, Josh Allen, you know, he's in the top

three in the QB index for a reason. Aaron is not for a reason. There we go. That's simple. I shouldn't be the only one doing self-promotion on this show all the time. Yes, everyone should check out

QB Index week after week. Nick shook killing it. And yeah, what is the top three right now? It must be Josh Allen, Lamar, and Joe Burrow?

Yeah, it was this past week it was Lamar, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen. Maybe Alan behind Mahomes. I think Alan was still ahead of Mahomes. I might have Stroud right behind those. Stroud was fifth.

Yeah. Yeah, he was right there. Love it. Yeah. You look at Roger's numbers. He takes five QB hits, three sacks, and yet he wasn't pressured that much. And so it's something that I've noticed throughout this season. He gets rid of the ball quickly for the most part.

But when he does hold on to it, he tends to take a lot of hits. And the word is out, I think, in blitzing him, the bills are not a heavy blitz team. But when they did blitz tonight, he went one of four for eight yards and took three sacks. So it has been something I think that isn't shown in the numbers, that he is throwing the ball well, but that when you get pressure in his face, he's not reacting as well to it. Meanwhile, Josh Allen on third downs tonight was six of eight, two touchdowns. He had the two rushing first downs, and he has no interceptions on the season, which is crazy. And it's a little misleading.

It's a little lucky. It was the ultimate Josh Allen moment in sequence tonight right before halftime. he's running to the right outside the pocket inside the 10 with under a minute left in the second quarter and he gets loose with the ball and fumbles it and they happen to recover after it bounces around between the bills and the Jets and on the very next play he makes an awesome rollout to the left where he gets Doss and knocks for a touchdown that I thought was going to be such a big moment in this game shook but all it did was set up Aaron Rogers for another magical Hail Mary moment after this play that we're going to listen to,

I was convinced the Jets are winning this game. You can't lose a game when Aaron Rogers throws a Hail Mary, can you? Aaron Rogers in the shotgun. Takes the snap and drops back again, a two-man rush, steps up in the pocket, has time, and he's just going to heave the ball towards the end zone.

Jets, a Hail Mary into the end zone. It's tapped around. Alan Lazard. The ball bounces out. He thought he had it for a touchdown. Did he have it? It's a touchdown! It's a Hail Mary touchdown to Alan

Lezard before half time. W.A.XQ. Bob with Susan, that felt like another moment where it's like, wow, Aaron Rogers is really a jet. Again, he's hitting the Hail Mary, and that was the time, and the bills end up blowing that 10-point lead, and the Jets have a moment where they actually think they take the lead, but it's called back by a Tyron Smith holding penalty. You mentioned what a bad night he had, but I thought, wow, okay, this is going to be the night, a little Rogers Baddick in prime time, and again, he gets the chance with a three-point deficit late in the game, but it just didn't happen.

But at least he gave us that. Yeah, I mean, that was, you know, classic Rogers. Everybody on Twitter immediately is like, hey, he did it again. Fourth time in his career, he's throwing a Hail Mary for a touchdown. And that's great. And it felt like one of those momentum swinging plays that basically led me to believe that we were going to see the exact same thing that happened between Jets and Bills last year, also in prime time in which, you know, they walk it off of the Gibson punt return touchdown.

and we never got that opportunity because instead it ended in all too familiar fashion with that pick. But yeah, in that moment, that was great. And what was also great, Greg, I don't know if a lot of people picked up on this, but I certainly did. We had a little bit of a fail, Mary part two, where we had one official saying incomplete and the other one signaling touchdown. And I was like, oh, please tell me if photographers are catching this. I thought that might be the only time, you know, back when it happened in Seattle, that we'd ever see that. And we got it for a moment there, even though they got the call right. Okay. So we're going to connect a couple different threads we've been talking about in this show. The officiating, which was questionable. Some of the roughing

the passer calls. There was one on both sides were shaky. And there was just so many penalties. I'm so sick of the illegal formations. It is on pace right now to triple the amount of illegal formations. I believe tonight we almost tied the amount of illegal formations in the entire 2023 season. So all these freaking penalties. And Aaron Rogers was complaining about it. And he actually has a reference here back to, yeah, when we had the replacement refs. That seemed a little ridiculous. Yeah, some of them seemed really bad, including the rough in the passer on me. That's not rough on the passer.

I might as well play sarcast the ball if we're going to call those things. And I thought the one on Kinla was not roughen the passer either. Do you know what sarcast the ball is without Googling it? I have Googled it. I was waiting for you to finish writing, so I've done the research. Honestly, I'm drawing a blank, so enlighten me. It's a South Park episode that they made about the replacement refs where they created another sport sarcast the ball.

And I do love it. It's in Rogers' wheelhouse age-wise and certainly sense of humor, that he just throws that out there as if everyone knows it. Good job there. I was in college back then, so I do recall my friends being very on top of it at that time. It was a really interesting press conference. You'll probably see the photo of him just staring off to space, wondering about the meaning of life kind of like thing at the end of Monday Night Football.

I kind of was feeling that way, too. It's about 5.30 a.m. back in London, and then, you know, it's up to a couple hours before racing to the airport. So I'm a little fried right now. So I was thinking that way, too. But like at the end of this game, he was asked about that Williams route, felt typical that they can't get on the same page. And he all but threw Williams under the bus for not running the right route.

Now, he didn't say he ran the wrong route, but he said that he's expecting him to run a certain way. I think he called it like, I forget the wording that he used. They explained, Ryan Clark explained it on ESPN. But essentially, he thinks he's going to go vertical, but he's not as outside. He sees him breaking one way before. he throws it and he almost had to adjust the throw midway Williams has to come back for it. It was a bad

throw. I think Rogers was not so subtly saying that it was a bad throw because he caught me off guard for not being where I expected him to be. Yeah, and that speaks to their lack of rapport because the interception that he threw against the Vikings overseas was similar. It was that they just don't understand where each other wants each other to be at a certain time where, you know, he throws that pass that gets picked off against the Vikings that would have been a great back shoulder throw, but Mike Williams continues running downfield. And this time, Mike Williams not quite running the same route that he wants, ends up in another interception, a spectacular interception, no less.

Like, it was definitely a great play, but a play that Mike Williams slips and falls trying to get back to the ball because they're not on the same page, which is just indicative of where the Jets' offense has been. Even after the play caller change, it's still where they kind of are. Yeah, so you mentioned the play caller change. I do think there were more open receivers tonight, that the running game looked fantastic,

especially in the first half. Brees Hall goes 18 for 113. At mid-third quarter, they had seven 20-plus yard plays. So this was an explosive offense. They put up almost 400 yards. I don't know if they got another 20-yard play after that. I don't think they did. Garrett Wilson had a nice night.

Lazzard's having a nice season in general. So it's not like they're that far away, but there's always just one thing that's going wrong. Tyrant Smith tonight. Joe Tipman had a big penalty in this game. and they just can't get it consistent enough when they have a chance to take the lead they get inside the five-yard line.

You expect them to be able to punch it in instead of penalty, blows it there. So I don't think they're done yet. And the coach of the Jets actually agrees with me. Jeff Ulberg, let's listen to him. I think there's always a sense of urgency. There has to be. You know, that's just the nature of this league.

But at the same time, two and four is we are by no means out of this thing. By no means. I know the character that locker room. I know the way we will respond. I know that. I thought this week's process was right. I thought the way we were prepared was exceptional, you know,

and we got to start stacking these weeks of exceptional preparation. And I promise you it'll start to pay off on Sundays. They felt like they were closer this week, right, Greg? Like they felt even with the coaching change and everything else, and that's a guy who had run through a brick wall for it, right? But they felt like they were closer than they'd been in the last few weeks, even if they didn't get the job done. Yes, well, offensively, they were.

they were much better. Now, he's calling the defense. Brick is what Rogers called him at his press conference, and he was gushing about what a good job Brick has been doing. So that, yeah, I think it's somewhat telling. He's got the seal of approval from Aaron Rogers. And defensively, they did not play well in the first half. Second half, they tightened up on the bill's four possessions of the second half. They miss a field goal. Tyler Bass cost them four points in this game. Greg Zerline on the other side. It was very windy, missed two kicks, doinked them both. You don't see that too much.

And then punt, punt, and then that long field goal drive that ultimately was the game-winning drive. So the Jets' defense wasn't great. Brick said it was not too much for him to call all the plays. I think ultimately, you're right. They were closer on offense. It really felt like the play caller change was effective. We should give some love to the bill's offense in Ray Davis.

I love me some Ray Davis, just the way he runs. there's an aggression that sometimes running backs don't have after their rookie year or their second year. And Ray Davis has it right now. He just runs so hard and you can't teach that. I think diehard listeners, NFL Daily, might recall me pointing out Ray Davis in the preseason as a guy to watch out for.

He is a low center of gravity runner who's hard to bring down on first contact. He runs hard. He did that tonight. They had their first scoring drive was a statement drive. Six of their nine plays are Ray Davis carries. He totals like 48 yards on that drive alone, marches them down the field.

And I'm sitting there watching just going, yes, we're getting the Ray Davis game. And that's before he even gotten involved in the passing game. And you know what? Let's give a tip of the cap to the Bill's defense, too. Taylor Rap made a couple of really big hits and timely plays, breaking up passes that could have swung the game, including a pass to Garrett Wilson in the end zone.

Jets had to settle for a field goal in that situation. Like, the Bill's defense did come to play and made some big stops and key moments. Yeah, that Taylor Rap hit in the end. and like you mentioned was huge and at the end of the game I think Debar Hamlin had a tough game but they are a much better defense in general with Taryn Johnson and Terrell Bernard

Oh yeah out there and rap's been a little up and down this year but he played well tonight. I did notice after the game there were some social media going around that DeMarne Hamlin got Aaron Rogers's jersey after the game got the jersey swap with a little autograph saying you're an inspiration to me. I think it was a surprise. He was just

in his locker room and Rogers had sent it over. And you forget that these guys are just, you know, they're still fans. He was probably a fan of Aaron Rogers when Rogers was an MVP. And he said he felt like a kid on Christmas. What's better than not only getting Aaron Rogers jersey, but beating him along the way. Yeah, and then getting the jersey after the fact. Like that's how you know right there that you've made an impact. And he's got an inspiring story. And it's beautiful to see him out there. Honestly, sometimes it's a little surprising to see him out there and just laying his body on the line after what happened

to him, but that's football. These are football players. More than anything, like something like that just illustrates the fact that, look, they're competitors and their opponents and everything else, but they're all doing the same thing, which is playing a kid's game for varying sums of money, and they know the sacrifice that's involved, and Damar Hamlin's definitely

gotten an up-close experience with just, you know, how much of a sacrifice could be, and I'm sure he very much appreciates every snap that he gets to play now that he's healthy and back on the field. So before we move on it and take a little break, I do want to just put where this puts the team at. Four and two, you're up two games now. The bills are over the Jets in the division,

and you have the tie break. That's significant. And if there was one person that was happier that Robert Sala lost his job in the AFCs, I don't know if it was anyone, but Josh Allen. I mean, Josh Allen's had a nightmare against these Robert Sala defenses over the years. His numbers have been brutal. And tonight was the opposite, 19 for 25, 215 yards, and two touchdowns, and had, you know, the two key rushes.

He had the score and then the play at the end. It was his third best game of his career in terms of completion percentage over expected. That Ray Davis throw against his body probably was a part of that. And definitely inflates the numbers. So, like, he's settled down after a couple down weeks. That's going to be the Josh Allen experience. but are you worried, Nick, about the lack of weapons? Davis leads the team in receiving because he has that one play.

Dalton Kincaid was finally a little more involved, six for 51, not really hitting big plays. And then their leader in terms of receiving yards was Curtis Samuel because he got that one big play. But otherwise, it's Keon Coleman getting almost the most, I mean, not the most targets, but the most routes run. It's just, it's a little rough. They need Cleo Secure to be healthier.

He was out there tonight, but not every time. But I think that's something to watch it as the trade deadline approaches. Keon Coleman actually dropped a pass that would have been a beautiful completion just in front of the end zone there. So, you know, but he's a rookie. Like this is what we kind of should have expected going into the season. You lose Diggs. You lose Gabe Davis. You have to rebuild your receiving core and you're relying heavily on a rookie.

They're going to take a bit of a step back when it comes to connecting with these guys, especially we saw it in Houston. A lot of them just aren't the same page. I mean, at the end of that game, Matt Hollins and Josh Allen, is not in the same page on a completable pass. So you're going to have these issues. Yeah, the fun thing about this matchup is like, they are out there hitting.

We're getting flags for them getting fights between quarters. That was the only flag I enjoyed. Like, that was the only flag I enjoyed. The lights were out and they're pushing. And on the field, I know it wasn't all clean, but this was a physical game between two teams that genuinely don't seem to like each other that much. And once again, it looks like it's the Bills Division.

I'm not rolling the Jets out yet. I know it's a dark time for the Jets, but, and they have the Steelers on the road this week. That's a big game. After that, the schedule eases up relatively down the stretch. Yeah, I mean, Albert kind of said it right there. We're by no means out of it. Yeah, you're two and four, but you have a lot of season left.

And when you look at the Jets schedule, I just think about the next two weeks because they're always the most important. What's your weakness right now? Your defense is not, I mean, statistically, they're a number two defense in terms of yards, a lot per game, but we've seen them give up big point, totals in prime time games, right? We're going into another primetime game on Sunday night against the Steelers this

week, but at the same time you're facing one of the least explosive offenses in the NFL. So if your offense is actually where you think it is after tonight, you're going to play a better defense in the Steelers, but if your offense is where you think it is tonight, that's a winnable game. You dominated New England. Yes, you have to go there in the following week, but that's

another winnable, very winnable game. So before you know, you could be four and four and feel much better about your team right now. So you want to hit the panic button because it's frustrating and you see Aaron Rogers frustrated, but I'm telling you right now, Jets fans, write it out a little bit longer before you decide to jump ship. Okay, I like the optimism. That Sunday night one is huge.

Three and four feels way different to me than two and five with it potentially coming apart at the seams, as Troy Aikman said, after the game. I'm like, what does Troy know? He thinks this thing might collapse a little under its own weight, so maybe he is picking up a few things. All right, we are going to take a break. We're going to come back on the other side. do some news.

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to learn more. Back on NFL Daily, yes. Back in America. Didn't miss a snap, Chuck. The plane landed about 40 minutes early. Watch some of the first quarter in the Uber home, but didn't miss a snap. We're here.

That's the beauty. That's the beauty of ride share coming from LAX. Yeah, so that's the only thing beautiful. about arriving at LAX, but it was a lovely time. And shout out to the fan. I'm glad that you're on this show with me, because this would have slipped my mind. Shout out to the fan that came up, the listener that said he really enjoys the Nick Shook, the recaps. So you got one. Here we go. All right. There we go. One fan overseas. That's one more than I thought I had today. You know, if I'm only meeting like a sample of them, then you can extrapolate it out. It's like a

poll. So that means there's there's thousands of Shucky fans out there in the UK and worldwide. But it is great to be back. And yes, I'll be back in the studio to do our next show with Colleen and Jordan. And we're back on our regular schedule. So I appreciate everyone listening last week and dealing with all the different times that the show was going up. Let's do some news. and Hutchinson will be out four to six months with a fractured tibia and fibula in the range of outcomes that was possible after this injury as Dan Campbell put it this probably was on the more positive side how I read into that is that it was essentially closer to like a clean break instead of ligament

damage and sometimes where it's at the ankle and the leg that four to six month timeline would indicate it's more of a traditional recovery if everything goes well they're even thrown out there like maybe he'd be ready for for the Super Bowl if they got there late in the playoffs but either way they're going to be short-handed for the rest of the regular season yeah you'd have to come through on the short side of that timeline I'm just glad that he avoided the Alex Smith scenario or even the Teddy Bridgewater scenario when he had that gruesome knee injury you know because any type of compound fracture anything significant like that you always fear that so it sucks because they lose their best pass rusher,

and it's a department for them that they've already kind of lacked depth in, but this is football. This is part of what happens, so they're going to have to find out a way to go forward without them. Yeah, we dove deep into it on the recap show on Sunday night, Monday morning.

I recommend everyone check that out. I mean, it's about as long as a Godfather movie. I saw that thing pop up in my phone when I woke up this morning. It's like, oh, I did not realize we went that long, late into the night. So, yeah, we tried to come up with some trade. We'll see.

It was a lot of fun. I want to give you another updated injury, which we weren't aware of on Sunday, which was Jonathan Allen with the commanders, did not think that was a major injury. And it turns out he is going to miss the season with a torn pectoral muscle. Jonathan Allen was one of the best defensive tackles, ends kind of a hybrid interior player in the league for a handful of seasons. I would say he wasn't playing at that level since the start of 2023 that that continues. continued this year. But he still was a starter and a significant player on a team that doesn't have a lot of defensive talent. He's also the guy who has the third highest cap number on the roster right now. And it's always a big blow when you lose the guy who's making that much

money. Yeah, PFF didn't have him graded very well last year or into this year, but it's a blow for them. And now they have to lean on Jerzon Newton, the rookie out of Illinois to replace him. And I expect them to make a roster move just for death purposes. I liked me some Jerry Newton in the pre-draft process. Thought he was good. I've tried to keep an eye on him in these games. It's tough if you're not watching the All-22. But he's made a lot of splash plays. I think he probably has like a lot of negative plays,

but he goes for big plays. So he's kind of fun to watch this Washington team. I want them to stay in the mix, stay in the playoff race. They're going to do it with offense, but they need a little help from their defense. The Colts are expected to start Anthony Richardson this week. So he was close to starting on Sunday. They decided to give Flacko one more.

go. He gets the win. They're at three and three. They haven't been impressive, but they're in the mix. And in what's going to be, I think, kind of a weird and ugly race for the last couple AFC spots. I don't know if it's like a deep conference right now. We'll see. But I feel like nine wins might get you that seven spot. Like someone's going to get a tiebreaker at nine wins in the AFC. Yeah, this season's kind of been like that. There's a lot of gray area. It's hard to project at this point. But I'll tell you what, Greg. Joe Flacko put together two very solid games. And back in the day, when football players weren't making crazy money, a lot of guys went and got off-season jobs.

Some of them, door-to-door insurance salesman. Joe Flacco, I know you're not going to need employment afterward, but because of how you performed last year and in these two games this year, you're the best insurance policy and NFL team could find a quarterback. Flacko insurance, baby. Let's go right now. I was wondering where you were going with that.

Shook with some dad humor. I'm the dad here. Let's go to Philadelphia. I mean, man, Nick Siriani every week has some story that he's apologizing for after the fact or explaining after the fact where he's the main character. We talk about different people that have main character energy. It's like, doesn't matter what happens with the Eagles. We're talking about Nick Siriani.

Let's hear him talk about what happened with his home crowd fans on Sunday. I was trying to bring energy yesterday, energy enthusiasm yesterday, and I'm sorry and disappointed on how my energy was directed at the end of the game. And, you know, my energy should be all in on coaching, motivating, right, and celebrating with our guys. And so, you know, that's, you know, and I got to have better wisdom and discernment of when to use that energy. And that wasn't, and that wasn't the time. Greg, go ahead. This, this reads like he got a talking to you from the principal and had to go out and apologize to his classmates after breaking some sort of, he cost them their pizza party. That's essentially what he's speaking like in this, in this situation. And look,

he has energy. He's got bro energy. He's got D3 football energy. And as somebody who's familiar with D3 football, that comes right out of the OAC, baby. He went to Mount Union and he still acts like it sometimes, especially in situations, like when they get a win over the lowly Browns on Sunday. Well, it just seems like he's spinning all season reacting from one last thing he did and then overreacting and going too far the other way and then going too far the other way and trying to figure out what he actually does because he says it partly came from he talked with his players like Jalen and A.J. Brown and they were telling him during the Bible, you be you, you be get back to being crazy Nick. We like crazy Nick. And then he like goes, goes too hard yelling at fans.

a little mystifying and makes me think that maybe they should have just made a clean break of it at the end of last season. But then I saw one tweet, which made me rethink this whole story. And they said, Nick Siriani, I have no problem with him yelling at the fans, because I can guarantee you, if you met whoever that was that he yelled at, it would be one of the 10 worst people you've ever met in your life. And I thought, you're probably right. Whoever was yelling at him to make Siriani mad enough for him to do that. I bet that was true. Yeah, that's a good point,

but it is a lot of come at me, bro, energy, and it's just like a bro off. Like, I went, side note, I went to the Guardians Tigers, ALDS, you know, decisive game five on Saturday, and I'm watching a Tigers fan flipping off this whole section of Guardians fans and waving his towel and everything,

and that guy had big come at me, bro, energy, except Siriani was on the winning side, so he was able to have the last laugh. That's bold. You could not do that at Yankee Stadium or friendweight. Especially Fenway. No.

Like, New York fans have a bad rap. But back when I was going to those games in 03-04, sort of at the peak of the Yankees Red Sox rivalry, it was not great to be a Red Sox fan at Yankee Stadium. You probably don't even want to wear your hat. And if you do when you're leaving, like, keep it tucked on. You know, you might get ripped off and thrown away. But it was way worse and way more aggressive

if you were a Yankees fan at Fenway, unfortunately. be honest. All right, let's go to the dolphins. Mike McDaniel says he expects Tua Tung of Iloa to play in 24. It didn't give a timeline on it, but basically said it's coming. So that's an interesting addition to the story. They're at two and three. You never know if they could get toa back soon. They're not technically out of it as bad as they've looked on the field. Kevin Stefanski did the Monday follow up, Nick, that he's sticking with Watson. We don't need to go deep into it. I think everyone knows at this point. He's one of the worst quarterbacks through six weeks

in the last 20 years. But I did think it was notable because I thought this Monday was a possible chance that he would change his mind and make the move and he is not making the move. I think we're creeping toward and maybe slowly building more speed toward a decision.

Probably at the point where Stefanski starts to feel his own job threatened. And even for a two-time coach of the year, you continue at this rate. You're going to have to make a change before long to save your job. So I think it'll happen eventually. Right. I mean, that's even assuming it's his choice to make. Andrew Barry's involved. The ownership is involved. Mutiny. I wonder about Andrew Barry's job. I know he signed that contract. Yeah. He's weirdly skated on on making the worst trade in NFL history. Just saying.

No, you're not wrong. Jim Harbaugh. Had that scary incident that included a heart murmur, which is something he's been dealing with. We found out recently that happened on the sideline during the win over the Broncos. He spoke Monday after visiting a doctor earlier in the day. Yeah, I talked to John, talk to my dad, mom, too, and my wife. So, yeah, yeah, they know, they know, they know how deeply committed I am. It would take my heart stopping, you know, for me not to be out there in the sideline.

I don't like I don't love hearing that I remember Gary Kubiak had some heart issues too on the sideline that was we're really scary because he's laughing saying that that his heart would have to stop for him to stop so he is not stopping he says he's going to have another checkup in a couple weeks I think he's going to wear something that monitors how the heart is going now so it's some sort of device but it's intense Jim Harbaugh is intense he's got an intense football team that he's taken care of Yeah, I don't ever like to hear, you know, medical situations like this, of course. But I'm not surprised because of that intensity that you just spoke of. He's as a guy who has spawned many memes with his intensity on the sideline, whether he was coaching at Michigan or with the 49ers or even back at Stanford. So hoping for the best. And hopefully, you know, he monitors his health and he'll be fine in the long run. Okay, a couple injuries to just recap quickly before we get to our players of the week.

Pat Certain and Chris Olavi, they both look unlike. likely for Thursday night football. They both had concussions on Sunday. Certain missed basically the entire game. That's Olavi's third concussion in three seasons. You never want to see that. One of them was pretty severe a year ago. Rashid Shaheed, surprisingly, has a concerning knee injury,

according to Ian Rappaport that could keep him out this week. That was not known during the game. That popped up on Monday. And just the way Rappaport said it, the Saints are just a mass unit. They might get Tassum Hillback for this game, but that's scary for them on Thursday night with Sean Peyton coming to town.

Tage Spears is week to week with a hamstring injury. Same with Jaguars running back Travis E.T.N. The Jaguars made a trade sending Roy Robertson Harris to the Seahawks for a sixth round pick, kind of a rotational defensive lineman. So he's got to go from London all the way over to Seattle and go play.

this week. And people were saying, no, that's, that's got to be the longest possible trip that that you can make. But it's not as long as to L.A. L.A.'s further. You know, you go over, you go over the top, right? Yeah, that's true. That is true. And he packed for two weeks in London. It's a circle. L.A. L.A. is a solid extra hour and a half or so. Finally, we are going to do what we do each and every week on this show. Yes, it's time for the captain's corner presented by Captain Morgan. Why don't you get us going? All right. This is going to be way out of left field, but stick with me here, and this is a name you should pay attention to. The Buccaneers have a lot of young defensive backs that are solid players. You know, Christian Isians, one of them. You can name a number of them. That Zion McCollum, Servassier Dennis, perhaps the best name in football. But this week belonged to none other than rookie safety, Tyke Smith. He finishes with five tackles. He finishes with a pick that was at the end of a blowout win that didn't seem like he was going to be a blowout win early. Well, middle portions of the game, because he finishes with five tackles. He finishes with a pick that was at the end of the because early on, he forces a fumble on the play.

Actually, Olave was concussed on. He forces a fumble right before Olave takes the hit to the head. And Antoine Winfield, Jr. recovers it for a touchdown. He nearly did it again later in the game, but it was called back by a penalty elsewhere. Actually, no, it was overturned on review. But this guy is flying all over the field. He's making plays, and he's another young, capable player

who made a big part in this game as the Buccaneers rolled to a victory that, for a little bit there, looked like it was a little dicey. They blew a 17-and-0 lead early, they came back with a vengeance, and he was a big part of it. Yeah, that game was absolutely drunk. I mean, it was just a crazy, crazy game.

I'm going to the best game of the week in my mind, which was Ravens Commanders. I'm giving it to Zay Flowers, 9 for 132, all of it in the first half, caught every single target that went his way, included a 44-yard catch. I wanted to give him some love, just because I love his development. I love the way Todd Munkin and Lamar Jackson are using him. he can create so much separation. I think he's a little tougher than I would expect. You wouldn't think that you could build so much of an offense around a guy his size,

and yet they're doing it. He's not a traditional number one receiver. Neither's Jaden Reed, and yet those two guys are going to be the number one receivers, essentially, for two of the best offenses in the league. So love a little second-year player development from a wide receiver, Zayflower is getting a different. done for the Ravens, for Lamar Jackson, for his fantasy owners, yes, that was Captain's Corner

presented by Captain Morgan. It's delicious and crisp. Perfect for Game Day with your friends. Spice it up. Visit Captain Morgan.com to find a captain near you. Please drink responsibly. It's good. It's good to be back with you, Nick. You know, I miss it. Oh, it's great. It's great. You know, I'm excited for the development of small receivers. Tyreek Hill probably gets the nod for leading the way. But what I'm more excited, excited about Greg. We had like five flea flickers this weekend. They all worked to varying degrees or didn't work.

I don't know who sent like a message out. Like, hey, this is flea flicker weekend, but it preceded National Tide End Day, which is coming up in a few weeks. So why not make it a holiday? But we do know one thing. There's five flea flickers in a weekend. What does that mean, Greg? That means football is back.

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